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Becoming What We Seek to Destroy
We are morally no different from the psychopaths within the Taliban, who Afghans remember we empowered, funded and armed during the 10-year war with the Soviet Union. Acid thrown a girl's face or beheadings? Death delivered from the air or fields of shiny cluster bombs? This is the language of war. It is what we speak. It is what those we fight speak.
Afghan survivors carted some two dozen corpses from their villages to the provincial capital in trucks this week to publicly denounce the carnage. Some 2,000 angry Afghans in the streets of the capital chanted "Death to America!" But the grief, fear and finally rage of the bereaved do not touch those who use high-minded virtues to justify slaughter. The death of innocents, they assure us, is the tragic cost of war. It is regrettable, but it happens. It is the price that must be paid. And so, guided by a president who once again has no experience of war and defers to the bull-necked generals and militarists whose careers, power and profits depend on expanded war, we are transformed into monsters.
There will soon be 21,000 additional U.S. soldiers and Marines in Afghanistan in time for the expected surge in summer fighting. There will be more clashes, more airstrikes, more deaths and more despair and anger from those forced to bury their parents, sisters, brothers and children. The grim report of the killings in the airstrike, issued by the International Committee of the Red Cross, which stated that bombs hit civilian houses and noted that an ICRC counterpart in the Red Crescent was among the dead, will become familiar reading in the weeks and months ahead.
We are the best recruiting weapon the Taliban possesses. We have enabled it to rise from the ashes seven years ago to openly control over half the country and carry out daylight attacks in the capital Kabul. And the war we wage is being exported like a virus to Pakistan in the form of drones that bomb Pakistani villages and increased clashes between the inept Pakistani military and a restive internal insurgency.
I spoke in New York City a few days ago with Dr. Juliette Fournot, who lived with her parents in Afghanistan as a teenager, speaks Dari and led teams of French doctors and nurses from Médecins Sans Frontières, or Doctors Without Borders, into Afghanistan during the war with the Soviets. She participated in the opening of clandestine cross-border medical operations missions between 1980 and 1982 and became head of the French humanitarian mission in Afghanistan in 1983. Dr. Fournot established logistical bases in Peshawar and Quetta and organized the dozen cross-border and clandestine permanent missions in the resistance-held areas of Herat, Mazar-i-Sharif, Badakhshan, Paktia, Ghazni and Hazaradjat, through which more than 500 international aid workers rotated.
She is one of the featured characters in a remarkable book called "The Photographer," produced by photojournalist Didier Lefèvre and graphic novelist Emmanuel Guibert. The book tells the story of a three-month mission in 1986 into Afghanistan led by Dr. Fournot. It is an unflinching look at the cost of war, what bombs, shells and bullets do to human souls and bodies. It exposes, in a way the rhetoric of our politicians and generals do not, the blind destructive fury of war. The French humanitarian group withdrew from Afghanistan in July 2004 after five of its aid workers were assassinated in a clearly marked vehicle.
"The American ground troops are midterm in a history that started roughly in 1984 and 1985 when the State Department decided to assist the Mujahedeen, the resistance fighters, through various programs and military aid. USAID, the humanitarian arm serving political and military purposes, was the seed for having a different kind of interaction with the Afghans," she told me. "The Afghans were very grateful to receive arms and military equipment from the Americans."
"But the way USAID distributed its humanitarian assistance was very debatable," she went on. "It still puzzles me. They gave most of it to the Islamic groups such as the Hezb-e Islami of [Gulbuddin] Hekmatyar. And I think it is possibly because they were more interested in the future stability of Pakistan rather than saving Afghanistan. Afghanistan was probably a good ground to hit and drain the blood from the Soviet Union. I did not see a plan to rebuild or bring peace to Afghanistan. It seemed that Afghanistan was a tool to weaken the Soviet Union. It was mostly left to the Pakistani intelligence services to decide what would be best and how to do it and how by doing so they could strengthen themselves."
The Pakistanis, Dr. Fournot said, developed a close relationship with Saudi Arabia. The Saudis, like the Americans, flooded the country with money and also exported conservative and often radical Wahhabi clerics. The Americans, aware of the relationship with the Saudis as well as Pakistan's secret program to build nuclear weapons, looked the other way. Washington sowed, unwittingly, the seeds of destruction in Afghanistan and Pakistan. It trained, armed and empowered the militants who now kill them.
The relationship, she said, bewildered most Afghans, who did not look favorably upon this radical form of Islam. Most Afghans, she said, wondered why American aid went almost exclusively to the Islamic radicals and not to more moderate and secular resistance movements.
"The population wondered why they did not have more credibility with the Americans," she said. "They could not understand why the aid was stopped in Pakistan and distributed to political parties that had limited reach in Afghanistan. These parties stockpiled arms and started fighting each other. What the people got in the provinces was miniscule and irrelevant. And how did the people see all this? They had great hopes in the beginning and gradually became disappointed, bitter and then felt betrayed. This laid the groundwork for the current suspicion, distrust and disappointment with the U.S. and NATO."
Dr. Fournot sees the American project in Afghanistan as mirroring that of the doomed Soviet occupation that began in December 1979. A beleaguered Afghan population, brutalized by chaos and violence, desperately hoped for stability and peace. The Soviets, like the Americans, spoke of equality, economic prosperity, development, education, women's rights and political freedom. But within two years, the ugly face of Soviet domination had unmasked the flowery rhetoric. The Afghans launched their insurgency to drive the Soviets out of the country.
Dr. Fournot fears that years of war have shattered the concept of nationhood. "There is so much personal and mental destruction," she said. "Over 70 percent of the population has never known anything else but war. Kids do not go to school. War is normality. It gives that adrenaline rush that provides a momentary sense of high, and that is what they live on. And how can you build a nation on that?"
The Pashtuns, she noted, have built an alliance with the Taliban to restore Pashtun power that was lost in the 2001 invasion. The border between Pakistan and Afghanistan is, to the Pashtuns, a meaningless demarcation that was drawn by imperial powers through the middle of their tribal lands. There are 13 million Pashtuns in Afghanistan and another 28 million in Pakistan. The Pashtuns are fighting forces in Islamabad and Kabul they see as seeking to wrest from them their honor and autonomy. They see little difference between the Pakistani military, American troops and the Afghan army.
Islamabad, while it may battle Taliban forces in Swat or the provinces, does not regard the Taliban as a mortal enemy. The enemy is and has always been India. The balance of power with India requires the Pakistani authorities to ensure that any Afghan government is allied with it. This means it cannot push the Pashtuns in the Northwest Frontier Province or in Afghanistan too far. It must keep its channels open. The cat-and-mouse game between the Pakistani authorities and the Pashtuns, which drives Washington to fury, will never end. Islamabad needs the Pashtuns in Pakistan and Afghanistan more than the Pashtuns need them.
The U.S. fuels the bonfires of war. The more troops we send to Afghanistan, the more drones we send on bombing runs over Pakistan, the more airstrikes we carry out, the worse the unraveling will become. We have killed twice as many civilians as the Taliban this year and that number is sure to rise in the coming months.
"I find this term ‘collateral damage' dehumanizing," Dr. Fournot said, "as if it is a necessity. People are sacrificed on the altar of an idea. Air power is blind. I know this from having been caught in numerous bombings."
We are faced with two stark choices. We can withdraw and open negotiations with the Taliban or continue to expand the war until we are driven out. The corrupt and unpopular regimes of Hamid Karzai in Afghanistan and Asif Ali Zardari are impotent allies. The longer they remain tethered to the United States, the weaker they become. And the weaker they become, the louder become the calls for intervention in Pakistan. During the war in Vietnam, we invaded Cambodia to bring stability to the region and cut off rebel sanctuaries and supply routes. This tactic only empowered the Khmer Rouge. We seem poised, in much the same way, to do the same for radical Islamists in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
"If the Americans step up the war in Afghanistan, they will be sucked into Pakistan," Dr. Fournot warned. "Pakistan is a time bomb waiting to explode. You have a huge population, 170 million people. There is nuclear power. Pakistan is much more dangerous than Afghanistan. War always has its own logic. Once you set foot in war, you do not control it. It sucks you in."
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Show All....Destroying what we seek to become?
...Destroying what we already are!
Good News !! McKiernan has been relieved of his command.
Obama does have a heart and some commonsense.
From all I have read Karzai is a Patriot willing to make peace with the Taliban.
Karzai has held the government together despite the USA's policy of strenthening the militias.
Now if the USA becomes as democratic and wise as the Afghan Parliament we may have Peace.
If KARZAI is unpopular why is he a shoe in for any fair election and Zadari was just elected.
Sorry, no comment.
If you use the same dark means, you become part of that same darkness you seek to destroy. It is spiritual Law.
Power junkies. We got such a rush when we 'won' the Cold War.
Amerika is unstoppable now.
Unstoppable? Only until we run full-tilt off the edge of the cliff. (Like Wiley E. Coyote from the Road Runner cartoons, I no longer feel the earth under my feet.)
chris writes: "We are not delivering democracy or liberation or development. We are delivering massive, sophisticated forms of industrial slaughter. And because we have employed the blunt and horrible instrument of war in a land we know little about and are incapable of reading, we embody the barbarism we claim to be seeking to defeat."
wrong chris, mired as you are in americana myth you predicate your statement on the old canard that "america is good"
no - america is the evil it claims to be against
which other country would attack iraq based on a shit pile of lies
which other country would sacrifice a county such as afghanistan like a pawn in a surreal game of psychotic world domination
which country has 1100 bases "garrisoning the world" as chalmers johnson puts it
there is only one country to ever have used a nuke in a tactical situation and that country has done it twice
the "good" old usa
so enough with the bull crap chris
america is the evil
we are the ruthless serial killers
child killers
family killers
and we do this - not for god, not for religion, not for country but rather for the coporate profit lines of so called american corporations who pay no taxes in america or anywhere else
talk about evil
The question of an exit strategy often comes up--but what is the reason we are even there?
It is Obama's good fortune that following Bush he doesn't have to try to be much of an improvement. But what if, when is all said and done, Bush as promised actually comes out looking better in retrospect only because Obama botched it up even worse.
Vern, as goofy as that sounds it's probably exactly the plan!
Just like GWB was the fall guy, Obama will be the fall guy when the Republicans come back to power.
With our short term memory it works every time!
-- what is the reason we are even there --
Our corrupt and despicable Congress willingly succumbed to the lies, deceits and political blackmail of the Bush war-mongers. The buffoons and degenerates of Congress did not declare war themselves but instead waffled and let Bush start a war against enemies to be named later.
Bush announced al-Qaeda and the Taliban as those responsible for 9/11 and he unleashed the US military upon them. The goal specified for this military madness was 'preventing future terrorism', which nobody has explained in over seven years for the simple reason that nobody can. And yet that's our exit strategy.
So the reason we are there is that we are stuck in the Stupid War.
The war that was never declared, only enabled.
The war that was the GWOT, then the WOT, and now only the Pentagon calls it the "Long War".
The great strategist Sun Tzu warned that no nation benefited from a long war.
So the reason we are there is because we are stuck because our strategy is the stupidest possible and nobody wants to do the smart thing because, as politicians or generals, doing that wouldn't benefit their careers any.
Afghanistan("the good war")is all Obama's.
Obama's war.
There are innumerable possible perspectives on any real world situation, such as that in Afghanistan (or Iraq). There are innumerable goals one may seek to achieve with regard to the situation, and innumerable means to proceed forward given a goal. To adopt a perspective, to adopt goals, and to adopt means that lead to war so frequently says more about the actor than about the situation or situations. It is like an inkblot test, and only the most depraved see every inkblot as a convincing argument that waging aggressive war is the best answer.
Ask the correct question, get the correct answer.
Cui Bono? Who benefits?
The Military Industrial Complex benefits. It is a growth industry in this nation.
Mr. Obama is a tool of the MIC. As such, he has no moral or ethical base. He can lie, cheat and steal without the slightest remorse. He is 'the audacity of hope, change we can believe in.' He is a sociopath. People that voted for him are sheeple or gullible fools, narcissists.
"And so, guided by a president who once again has no experience of war and defers to the bull-necked generals and militarists whose careers, power and profits depend on expanded war, we are transformed into monsters."
Cui bono? The citizens in all 50 U.S. states where weapons and other war gear are manufactured. We are ALL the MIC, and we must use the weapons and gear in order to place orders for more weapons and gear. We must also foment unrest and conflict in order to sell weapons and gear around the world. If we cease manufacturing, using, and selling weapons and gear, our economy will take the final plunge.
Face it folks, our "standard of living" is based on a standard of killing. Do you pay your taxes? Then you're one of the killers; just another predator drone. We the people are responsible for this deadly empire.
A food fight.
Unfortunately, I think it's that simple. If the MIC made food, they/it/"we?" would constantly start food fights so that more of its product (food) would be in demand. Once started, the food fight needs to be sustained so that MORE food will be demanded.
Since you goal is to stimulate the consumption of food, you never want the food fight to stop. Since the food fight lobby supplies both sides, it never wants one side to win...hence look forward to a "long war."
FastEddie, I agree with your analysis...any chance of "educating" our fellow understandably-ignorant (after all, the food fight lobby owns the media)citizens that we could make better economic choices?
"... any chance of "educating" our fellow understandably-ignorant citizens that we could make better economic choices?"
I wish. The "deep ecology" movement that germinated in the 70s, blossomed in the 80s, and died in the 90s was, to my mind, the only overarching, philosohical paradigm shift that could have made a difference.
"NativeSon" posted a response yesterday (May 10th, 2009 12:23 pm) to the headline article on Japanese whaling that exactly mirrored my own sentiments, which, I fully admit, are entirely pessimistic. Here's his comment in full:
"My contention for many years now has been very simply stated; there is little or no hope for the billions of other life forms on this planet without a ---'mass die off of human beings'.
"The groups who are working diligently to raise the level of consciousness in their fellow human beings are out numbered, under funded, and deliver a message to an audience that looses their interest with the latest fad, or, religious movement.
"Human beings evolved as minor players in the biosphere, and by accident have become a dominant species; and it appears that they are on their way to extinction------by or at their own hand.
"One thing is certain. The Earth will continue long after the Humans can't continue----at least in their present numbers."
Thanks so much for the generous response...you are FAST:).
Peace,
Matt
Cutting and pasting IS fast.
"Do you pay your taxes? Then you're one of the killers"
How about, Do you consume a job in the mainstream economy? If so then you are helping to create the demand that drives the production of weapons. After all, "job creation" is used to justify the production of weapons that even the military says it doesn't need.
Anybody see the piece 60 Minutes did last night on the Predator Drone and its use in Afghanistan?
Interviewer Lara Logan was starry-eyed over the mostly ex-Pilots who control the bomb-o-matics from half a world away in the creepy Nevada desert.
They explained breathlessly how this newest weapon of war would change everything. The "enemies" and "insurgents" would stand no chance against Uncle Sam's newest toy we were told.
I thought I was watching an infomercial for the plane, instead of a hard-hitting news story, and waited for the 800 telephone number to be flashed on the screen, but it never came.
Lara Logan is a whore.
Nicely stated. But so is anyone who works in corporate media, and the corporately controlled congress.
The great whore of Babylon?
Agreed. Somehow, another poster (RedRick, I think...?) commented that "whore" is gender-laden, and I responded by calling her a "media whore," which I hope removes that taint. I don't know where Red's post and my reply went.
You were watching an Infomercial. Don't worry about calling them. They will call you.
Yet on the Sunday talk shows the punditry talks about the necessity of controling the Taliban and how with sufficient resolution it is a "doable" task. We can never admit a limit to our power, never admit an unitended consequence, never admit that we have become what we set out to destroy. The U.S.A. is still supreamely arrogant. 9-11 was a black eye, it was not enough to realy make us rethink who we are and what we are doing. But soon I fear, we will rethink things-- because we will suffer much more.
I wonder how Obama keeps a straight face while cracking jokes recently at a media event, and then rushing home to tuck in his two little darlings while ordering air strikes on children and other non combatants? And then getting reports of those childrens guts being ripped out. It must be a luxury to have such an antiseptic view of life for the current piece of trash we call 'our' president.
Organized crime soldiers do it. I'll bet the guys on the ground who carry out the orders have kids back home that they write to.
Are some people born that way? Maybe everyone is capable of doing it if they have the 'right' training or mindset.
I can assure you of one thing: such people are not the exception. I have known many people who could feel no empathy for the pain of another sentient being.
Friedrich Nietzche:
"If you stare long into the abyss, the abyss stares also into you."
Covers a lot, doesn't it?
Oregoncharles
"Are some people born that way?"
I have asked this question my whole life. Ignorance and racism and fundamentalism and greed can't help, but perhaps it is that simple, somewhere in the DNA chain. Any which way, equally depressing.
The first 100 days tells me a lot about the difference between empathy as an ideal (Obama), and the type of empathy lived out in one's life as a principled value. The people who send young men into a hellish situation have no empathy whatsoever because they never stepped onto a battle field, and when this norm issues from an exclusive political decision, it tells me even more of the rotten core of those who take refuge under its norm, and that includes Obama.
I don't need to read the article. Everybody becomes the thing they try to destroy. They wouldn't care enough to try to destroy it unless they saw what they hate most in themselves in it.
"Who fights dragons too long becomes one."----Nietzsche
He could have eliminated 'too long' and been more accurate.
President Drone - works on many levels.
Sioux Rose
Hedges uses the premise of "The fury of war" to suggest a blindness to actual operations. There might have been some of that fury right after 911, the way someone suffering a loss (albeit engineered from the inside out) responds at a primal, animal level. But it's been years since 911, the fury is gone. What we are seeing is a cold, objective, premeditated disaster.
One of Arthur Miller's most famous plays involves the daily pain to a family that has lost their son in war. As the story/theme evolves the reader learns that the father, a military contractor, sold shoddy materials which found their way onto airplanes, including the plane his son went down on. Much literature reflects "the law of consequences," a/k/a karma. With respect to the U.S. first destroying Iraq, and now moving onto Afghanistan/Pakistan, given the fact that through the illustrious Carlyle Group, high tech weapons have been disseminated around the globe, it is becoming almost inevitable that some of these tools of destruction will return to our own homeland in retaliation for so much unapologetic damage to so many. Some in this forum like to blame Israel for everything, but the U.S. is the big daddy and Israel is the off-balance first born son emulating the aggression of its "father."
How does a citizen begin to express the sorrow that his nation's "leaders" have upped the ante on illegal acts of aggression? What does the citizen do when the entire "representative" process has become a theatrical production kept in line to keep the masses quiet. America is so far off course, and courting her own disaster in the form of karmic blowback. INEVITABLE.
And Obama either does not know how to stop it, or does not have the will to. I think it is probably the former. If he really saw the darkness for what it was, he would act in a different way. For Obama to get to the position he is in, he had compromise and bargain away much (i.e., sell out), so he is as much trapped within the karmic circle as anyone. Those he has chosen to advise him along with those whom he appointed to high positions serve to reinforce this enclosure.
Well said, Sioux Rose.
"What does the citizen do when the entire "representative" process has become a theatrical production kept in line to keep the masses quiet."
I don't know. At least, I don't have the answer for other people. I guess I stave off insanity by taking back a modicum of control and working to improve my tiny lot in life. I work on sustainability issues, I organize and get people together, I communicate with people, I work to knit together some semblance of sanity in an otherwise insanely egotistic world.
I don't know what else to do. I guess I could give in and go completely insane, as many of my countryfolk have done, but it behooves future generations for at least a few people to work for whatever future there may be. As long as I believe there may be a future, I have to keep doing this.
Yes, there I believe we are in for blowback. What we have seen is just the beginning. Even more reason for good people to step up their efforts.
No "fury of war" led the USA into Afghanistan.
BEFORE 9/11...The United States of America informed countries in the region that they would be invading Afghanistan in october . An article in the Indian press carried this story.
This was cold blooded and calculated. 9/11 just became very "Convenient" for this planning the attacks.
May 26, 1637, Mystic river in Connecticut; English (American) colonists forced 400 to 700 Pequot natives, mostly women and children into a wooden barricade, set fire to it, burned them alive and shot anyone that tried to escape. 372 Years of brutality and counting. When was America ever on course?
Uh, 1637 was wayyyyyyyy before there was any semblance of an idea of the America we live in now. You might as well cite the Salem Witch Trials.
I was referencing an event that is considered "American" history. The settling of the colonies is considered the seeds of what we now know as America. When would you suggest the "idea of America we live in now" began?
While events of the Mystic Massacre have similarities to the British suppression of the Irish rebels in the 17th century, it does reflect a pattern that persisted throughout what became American history. Violence against the innocent have origins dating back into the dawn of history, flow through European imperial history and continue to survive now in American Imperialism, nothing new. My comment was in reference to Siouxrose suggesting that America is off course. My rhetorical question was "when was America ever on course."
I accept your point.
Sioux Rose
REBEL: James Carroll said it best in an essay related to America's birthday, July 4, some years back (as pubished by The Boston Globe). That America is ever reaching for its own ideal and missing.
As for the idea of massacres stemming back in time, I have made elaborate cases explaining that the mindset of Mars--the warrior/conqueror--accorded with the dominant notion of the Deity as taken from the Old Testament. It speaks in a language consistent with the Age of Aries, where fighting for 'god' was seen as a viable premise of religious expression. This epoch preceded the birth of Christ.
When Jesus entered as AVATAR of the Age of Pisces, a YIN/feminine sign/age that was expected to balance the warrior rites of Mars with the understanding of forgiveness, compassion, and turning the other cheek. What happened instead was an exact continuation of the previous warring ways, only this time falsely using the endorsement of JESUS as basis for the killing. Is there a better example than the current Christian evangelizing of the US Air Force, and/or the idiot contests over whose 'god' is bigger as quoted from major U.S. military persons as viable cause for war?
The White European was programmed by the Christian ethos that never evolved beyond the Old Testament rites of Mars/Aries. Once again humanity has come to a definitive transition point as per the cosmic calendar. MANY prophecies from diverse sources witness in OUR times the signs of this transition. It is VERY important that the Divine feminine come into the equation as the fundamental loss of symmetry is costing us our world. After all so much of human behavior is designed to emulate Mars, ego-driven, coldly logical and devoid of nurturing feelings, and the absence of women in too many decision-making bodies(sadly in cases where women do get the pass to high positions of authority, they, like Colin Powell/Condi Rice/Obama have been so conditioned by the Mars-rules dominator society as not to differ in policy making from their colleagues)articulates this loss of fundamental balance.
Evolution happens slowly, but it is the spiritual course intended for mankind. When we judge ourselves on the basis of a very wounded or should I say crippled history and make assumptions on its limited basis, we lose the capacity for change. American imperialism is an outgrowth of the white-Christian Mars-rules belief system that has generated the false notions seen as: dominion over nature, that women are the 2nd lesser sex/gender, and that other lands (not white/Christian) are not yet "saved" or worthy of their own cultures or ways of living and thus must be conquered, converted, and/or Christianized.
These rabid beliefs work very well with capitalism which is also founded upon crude exploitation premises. The worst possible marriage of Christian fundamentalist views (or fundamentalism in any other sect, as is being seen in its Islamic and Judaic forms) with corporatism is underway and as we see all around us, everything is falling apart. The lion's share of this once rich nation's resources has been thrown away at wars of conquest, a sickening killing of so many innocents, and our own population is getting fat and sick and impoverished, and in many places the LAND is DYING. The value systems which stem from religion are working against life and the sacred. This is why I spend so much time writing books, essays, articles and scripts that seek to shift awareness. That is the seed from which the tree of new life may one day blossom. All the systems dying now are likely to serve as fertilizer for said tree. American history alone is not a useful example in determining where the disease, or old sick roots, lie.
You are amazing Sioux Rose! I would like to see you and Oren Lyons running as Green Party candidates in the next election cycle. We need a strong 3rd party to replace the insanity of the current corrupt shitstem. And the Green Party needs to look past Ralph Nadar.
Yes, I'm suggesting Oren Lyons and Sioux Rose on the Green Party ticket. What do you think?
"What does the citizen do when the entire "representative" process has become a theatrical production"
Vote "third party" in all market/civic engagement, i.e. shifting all of one's individual exchange/association away from the power centers and toward one's local community. This gives the people a stake in something outside the control of elites, something to defend from elites, without any reason to hesitate. It's silly to try and defend ourselves from elites while maintaining a contract with elites. The problems persist thanks only to the people's failure to face their complicity.
afghanistan...heroin...
weaponry...the US economy...
"If the Americans step up the war in Afghanistan, they will be sucked into Pakistan," Dr. Fournot warned. "Pakistan is a time bomb waiting to explode. You have a huge population, 170 million people. There is nuclear power. Pakistan is much more dangerous than Afghanistan. War always has its own logic. Once you set foot in war, you do not control it. It sucks you in."
This was said of Iraq, this was said of Afghanistan, and now it's being said of Pakistan. And in every instance it has been true. (We should add our alliance with Israel to the list).
We seem to be incapable of learning, or at least, of preventing it from happening.
"Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will learn in no other." Ben Franklin
"Learning teaches more in one year than experience in twenty. And learning teaches safely, while experience maketh more miserable than wise."----Roger Ascham in THE SCHOOLMASTER
First I'd suggest that Afganistan at this point has little to do with Afganistan, it has everything to do with Pakistan.
Next while I tend to agree with most things stated, don't forget that many of the Talibans victims are not reported. Stonings, lashings, etc. Not that a balance of killing means anything, but I wouldn't be too kind to the Taliban here.