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For Palestinians, Obama's Message is Crystal Clear
Americans may decry what we can finally dub as the 'Bush legacy', for it brought economic ruin, but also pushed the country into avoidable, if not completely preventable wars, disgracing the collective history of a nation that for long imposed its sense of moral authority on the world.
But the new president is set to change all of that. True, Barack Obama is duly warning of hyped expectations, but, frankly, he can only blame himself for the eagerness and hope, realistic or otherwise, that has engulfed the nation, even the world over. During his presidential campaign he made many promises, the gist of which is that an Obama administration would be everything that the Bush administration was not. That was enough for 'Obamaniacs' to sing and dance the world over.
One cannot expect that Obama has a magic solution for everyone's problems, everywhere. In fact one must be realistic and simply ask Obama to remedy the problems and conflicts that were introduced or provoked, financed and sustained by his own country.
Regarding the Middle East, Obama seems to have hit the ground running, or so we are told. Shortly after his inauguration, he appointed former Senator George Mitchell as special envoy to the region. Mitchell "will bring a wealth of experience and credibility to the job," said CNN.
Once again, Obama is clearly attempting to delineate an early policy that differs from Bush's. The latter was affiliated with the infamous Guantanamo Bay, the 'gulag of our times' - according to Amnesty International - thus Obama ordered it closed, a year from now that is. Bush was blamed for his late arrival to the Middle East peace process scene, thus Obama makes it clear that the peace process is a priority for his administration.
But the question is how different will Obama truly be when his administration is done carrying out a few symbolic gestures to appease the ever-eager public?
Naturally a new administration, promising a new era, requires a new language. Although inundated with lofty terminology, the outlines of Obama's new administration seem, in some instances, a mirror image of Bush.
These are remarks made by Obama (not Bush), on January 22, and seen as the first major statement by his administration regarding the Palestinian-Israeli conflict: "Let me be clear: America is committed to Israel's security. And we will always support Israel's right to defend itself against legitimate threats. ..Hamas must meet clear conditions: recognize Israel's right to exist; renounce violence; and abide by past agreements. Going forward, the outline for a durable cease-fire is clear: Hamas must end its rocket fire; Israel will complete the withdrawal of its forces from Gaza; the United States and our partners will support a credible anti-smuggling and interdiction regime, so that Hamas cannot rearm."
Funny how Obama started his statement with "let me be clear." He cannot possibly be any clearer as he spent endless hours for many months assuring Israel and its supporters, while condemning Palestinians without any reservation or remorse.
Those who counted on Obama to bring a just peace to the Middle East must've had their hearts broken watching the man charging against Hamas' terror, as thousands of Gazans were killed and wounded, including 430 children in the matter of three weeks as a result of Israel's barbarous attacks, using mostly American weapons (and full, unqualified US backing.)
And yet, Obama found it fitting to explain that his administration's foreign policy is not only "critical in terms of projecting ... America's power, but also America's values and America's ideals." Of course, it was Palestinian trust in those ideals that led them in droves to the polls in January 2006, and subsequently to their starvation and carnage in Gaza. It is no wonder that Palestinians are unimpressed.
Aside from Obama's unparalleled clarity, thus far, on his utter and "unconditional" commitment to Israel, he, along with his officials, continue to borrow similar vague slogans that were used enthusiastically by the Bush administrations: national security, national interests, spreading of American ideals, values, and all the rest.
Commenting on such sloganeering, Howard Zinn, one of America's most celebrated historians, said, 'We have to think about these words and phrases that are thrown at us without giving us a time to think. And .. we have to redefine these words, like "national security." What is national security? .. having military bases all over the world (or).. having healthcare, having jobs."
Americans will have four years to determine how Obama and his administration define these tired slogans, ones that also include democracy and "terrorism" (is the latter an exclusively Arab tendency, never an Israeli, no matter how many the latter kills?)
Meanwhile, Palestinians in Gaza hardly have the leverage of time as tens of thousands remain homeless and destitute. More, they have little hope and expectations on Obama or even Mitchell, despite his "wealth of experience and credibility."
"Obama won't bring my husband back to life," Leila Khalil, a Gazan woman, whose husband was killed during Israel's bloody offensive, told AFP. "He was martyred and left me with six children to feed on my own."
Obama's also made himself "clear" regarding the fate of Leila's husband, and thousands like him: "For years, Hamas has launched thousands of rockets at innocent Israeli citizens. No democracy can tolerate such danger to its people, nor should the international community, and neither should the Palestinian people themselves, whose interests are only set back by acts of terror."
Luckily, Leila no longer has a TV set to listen to Obama's remarks. It was, along with her home pulverized by Israeli missiles, courtesy of the United States. For Gazans, and most Palestinians, things cannot be any clearer.
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Show AllThe US of A is really the US of I.
During WW2 this was a staple of Nazi propaganda: the American people were really pro-Nazi in their sympathies, but the Jewish Cabal and Roosevelt/Rosenfeld Administration were pulling the wool over American eyes.
There are many continuities between Nazism and Arabism-Islamism.
For better or worse the Palestinians need to realize that no negotiations will start until the rockets stop.
Now you can argue the merits of this but don't try to deny the reality. Hamas must stop the rockets or the US, EU, and UN, the powers that be, will continue to support Israeli military actions in Palestine.
Does anybody deny this?
I deny it. First of all you are alone in the world with only the USA government supporting you: not the USA people. zionist are under a collective delusion, you bomb the UN and you think they support you. Thank god the Spanish Judge is going after some of your War Criminals. The rocklets are an excuse you brainwashed yourselves into believing just like all the 9/11 nonsense in the USA.
Boycott israel and threaten pro zionist media with War Crime Tribunals !
The tide against the support for Israel is rising, even in the US. Especially in this current economic climate when we are giving away billions to the illegimate, racist state of Israel.....People are starting to question, irregardless of what the zionist controlled media says.
you are already seeing in the UK as well as Europe.
I deny it as well! Only the US Government supports this genocide - not the UN or the EU - not rational, reasonable people anywhere.
They hate us because of our freedom!
The UN has refused to funnel any reconstruction money directed for Gaza through Hamas. Saudi Arabia it should be noted as well has refused to let any of that billion dollars go through Hamas. The EU continues to provide Israel with weapons so it hardly seems they have stopped supporting Israel.
"They hate us because of our freedom!"
They hate you because of your evil deeds.
After generations of 'targeted killings' who is left to negotiate with the occupiers?
What's to negotiate anyway? Either genocidal Israel complies with UNSC Resolution 242 or repeals UNSC Resolution 181.
I deny it because of the abundant evidence to the contrary. Hamas itself ceased launching rockets during the 6 month truce and stopped the other resistance groups from launching more than a dozen or so in that time. There are many news items in the Israeli press on how the attack on Gaza was carefully planned at least since the beginning of the truce. Then taking advantage of the media focus on the Obama election, Israeli troops entered Gaza and killed 6 or 7 Hamas militants for supposedly digging a tunnel in order to provoke the reprisal with rockets. Israel then used the rockets as the excuse for launching the planned attack with the explicit aim of "reeducating the Gazan population".
Quite correct.
The rockets didn't stop. Significantly reduced yes but not stopped.
Ursa
It’s not about Hamas Firing rockets at Israel. That like saying its about weapons of mass destruction. It’s about Israel stealing the land. If the Palestinians don't conform then Israel will simply annihilate them. Under the disguise of Hamas and US support
No, Jews don't object to being expelled and murdered by Arabs. Why would they?
The rockets DID stop. Last june. Hama honoured it's commitments under the ceasfire. Israel deliberately broke the ceasfire in order to implement this destruction of gaza which was planned last march.
Israel has proven over and over that it is a criminal state of psychopathic extremists suffering from PTSD over the holocaust and unable to function as a civilized nation. It is an insane asylum whose inmates have deadly weapons. All it's citizens should be forced into long term psychiatric treatment.
The rockets nearly ceased but they did not fully stop. Neither side was able to abide the cease fire. Israel was obligated to open the border and Hamas was obligated to cease rocket fire AND halt the import of weapons. Those tunnels grow in number every week.
As far as Israel suffering PTSD i agree with you, the IDF has a very itchy trigger finger.
It doesn't help that the neighboring Arab countries have attacked Israel 3 times as well.
Be careful with your rantings, calling for all Israeli citizens to be committed sounds a bit like calling for reeducation camps.
Kindly be specific about the 3 times Israel was attacked....
History shows that Israel was the agressor in 1967, "pre-emptively" attacking Egypt's air force on the ground.
ISRAEL attacked in the vaunted "6 Day War" on the basis of what some people NOW acknowledge were false reports (from American intelligence services) of troops massing on their borders. In reality the whole thing was nothing more than a proxy war game exercise by the U.S. and U.S.S.R. intelligence agencies.
Israel was also the agressor in 1956 (Sinai), 1982 (Lebanon I) and 2006 (Lebanon II).
Israel has REMAINED the occupier and war criminal.
Palestinians are refugees still, or internally displaced.
I don't know that I am qualified to address the psychiatric status of Israelis or Palestinians.
But Israelis certainly seem to be exactly analogous to the abused child growing up to be an abusive adult.
You didn't mention the Yom Kipper War...why is that?
In May 1967 Nasser expelled the UN Peacekeeping force and closed the Straits of Tiran. The closing of the Straits to any and all ships traveling to and from Israel is called a block aid. A block aid is defined by Int'l Law as an act of War. Thus Egypt committed the first act of war during the '6 Days War.'
The 2006 Lebanon war started when Hezabolla, a minority party of the Lebanon Government, attacked the IDF. Several IDF soldiers who were inside Israel territory were killed and another kidnapped. That would be grounds for an act of war wouldn't you say? By the way you do know that Hezabolla has refused to allow the Red Cross to see the soldier they kidnapped.
The '47 War also comes under the list of Arab initiated conflicts. The UN ordered the Partitioning of Palestine and thus the Arab assault on the new Israeli Nation was in violation of UN resolutions.
You seem to have but partial knowledge of both history and International law. And THAT is dangerous.
Like it or not, Egypt - as a sovereign nation - had every right to close the straights. Both Egypt AND ISRAEL were operating under false information from their benefactors the U.S. and U.S.S.R. That the U.N. decided - properly - that Egypt's action was an obstacle to peace was within THE U.N.'s power - repeat the UN's power. And, under the U.N. Charter, the U.N. Security Council was empowered to intercede or to authorize intervention by others. Egypt's actions did NOT entitle Israel to take unilateral, pre-emptive action to destroy Egypt's airforce. Or invade Jordan. Or march into Syria and ultimately occupy the Golan Heights.
Fast forward to September 2005. Israel NEVER withdrew from Gaza. Israel gave the APPEARANCE of withdrawal by pulling their soldiers and tanks back across the border but continued to engage in shellings and "extrajudicial killings" at will - usually from far overhead with sizable explosives. The currency that Gazan's must use is the Israeli SHEKEL, imports are all through the ISRAELI port of Ashdod where ISRAELI customs officials levy all customs, duties and taxes. Israel controls all ingress and egress to and from Gaza, permits or denies all travel documents and visas. ISRAEL controls all of Gaza's air space and much of the electric power grid. And the beaches are, in many places, dangerously mined. Israel has CONTINUOUSLY blockaded goods, services and people. Which is to say that the agreement that Israel continues to claim was broken by Hamas was NEVER fulfilled by Israel despite the fact that Hamas DID stop the rockets from June through November - when Israel again fired upon Gaza FIRST.
And in your own words, a blockade is an act of war. Israel has continuously blockaded Gaza. Tha means GAZA (and Hamas) had the right of self defense not vice versa (note blockade not block aid).
The reason I did not mention the Yom KippUR (not the fish, kipper) is because it is fair to concede that Arab armies were the agressors in 1973 as they were in 1948. No argument there. And it would be pointless to argue that Palestinians have completely clean hands. They don't. I will note in passing however, that Israeli forces held off Syrian forces by flying deep into Syria and attacking strategic targets in the heart of CIVILIAN Damascus. So much for clean hands.
We started this exchange because you concluded that Palestinian's "hope" was in the U.S. I argue that they have no reason to have that hope. No reason whatsoever to trust the U.S. as an honest broker. Not YET. Continuing to provide money, arms and a fig leaf cover to Israeli illegal actions - will not improve the chances of the U.S. BECOMING a viable peace broker.
Nor does it demonstrate our willingness to hold out the hand of peace to Muslims around the globe. I would like to see us do both.
I don't think there's very much point in laying down markers - or tit for tat arguing about who has shed more blood. Someday there will be a need for reconciliation of that nature. Far more urgent is rational reconciling of the loss of land and property suffered by THE PALESTINIANS. The Israelis are not the victims here. Though they apparently have many people brainwashed to believe that they are.
Your trying to have it both ways it seems. You say that Egypt's blockade of Israel is alright but Israel's blockade of Gaza is not.
I'm not too familiar with the misinformation that occurred before the 6 Days War. It wouldn't surprise me, history is filled with such instances. I will say the mobilization of troops and armaments by Egypt near the border was a rather aggressive act.
Israel took the Golan Heights b/c Syria was shelling Galilee.
Israel surely does control all aspects of Gaza. Nobody can deny that Israel has created a prison like situation there. The effort to cripple Gaza is criminal.
I wish the situation could be decided without US involvement, the world would do well to see that the US doesn't need to be involved in every decision. I just don't see the situation resolving itself without US help. Fair minded help at that.
For you to deny that Israel isn't a victim is illogical when you've admitted that Hamas is not an innocent party. IF Hamas has committed crimes against Israel how can Israel not be victimized? Your being illogical.
The Palestinians have suffered more than the Israelis yes but what do you expect to happen when you poke a much bigger guy with a stick?
I don't mean to excuse Israeli's actions but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that Israel is going to hit back for those rocket attacks...and yes they will hit back much harder next time.
Israel has the misconceived notion that enough pressure on Gaza will cause Hamas to crumble. Each side has a lot to learn before peace is possible.
Actually, I am not saying that Egypt's "blockade was okay" because in fact Israel was not blockaded. They closed the straights but the ports of Ashdod, Tel Aviv and Haifa were all clearly accessible and air access to all of Israel was not affected. How is that a blockade.
I AGREED that the U.N. determined that Egypt's actions were an obstacle to peace.
You should become familiar with the facts surrounding surrounding the 6 day war since it is the crux of the matter. Without the 6 Day War you have no occupation. There are serious political decisions that were made by Israeli government officials in the wake of that war that are critical for understanding the situation today.
It is true that Syria was shelling the Golan Heights and settlements and military outposts there. Remember that Israel occupied then (and occupies still) the Golan which it took from SYRIA in 1967. That does not justify Israel's bombing and "collateral damage" of downtown Damascus. I understand it was a "strategic maneuver" but there is no question that the Golan Heights was occupied by ISRAEL and rightfully belongs to Syria.
This statement:
For you to deny that Israel isn't a victim is illogical when you've admitted that Hamas is not an innocent party. IF Hamas has committed crimes against Israel how can Israel not be victimized? Your being illogical.
shows that you have truly drunk the Kool-Aid. I did not admit anything on behalf of Hamas "crimes" -- I said there hands were not clean. I don't like the killing but I understand the hopelessness and desperation that brings it about.
Israel is not now and has not been for quite a long time (if ever) the "victim." European Jews of the Holocausts were the victims. Israel was born out of that victimization. Israel has, ever since, displaced their fears and insecurities on the Palestinians and convinced most of the Western world that "everyone is against them." All the while Israel quietly accepts the reparations - blood money - from the Germans - and from America.
If you TRULY have an open mind and want to understand this bizarre paradox, read Avram Burg's recent book, "The Holocaust is Over, We Must Rise From the Ashes." Burg has courageously put down on paper and published the view that I, the child of a Holocaust survivor and a naturalized Israeli, have been saying for years.
The UN didn't just say it was an obstacle to peace but rather that is was in violation of Article 51 and it violated the Convention on the Territorial Sea and the Contiguous Zone as well as the Int'l Criminal Court ruling. The UN did however debate whether or not the actions of Egypt were grounds for war. There were valid legal arguments for and against military action. Israel couldn't really wait for UN help though seeing how the UN Peacekeepers were already kicked out by Egypt.
I don't understand how you can say that Hamas's hand aren't clean but that they haven't committed any crimes. You seem to think that it's okay for Hamas to bomb Israel civilians b/c of the occupation. The targeting of civilians is never permitted in warfare. Though you may personally think that it alright for Hamas to kill unarmed civilians you are a microscopic minority. Luckily you will never be in a position where your ideas are applied.
Good Day Monster.
On Lebanon 2006: "Several IDF soldiers who were inside Israel territory were killed and another kidnapped"
That "fact" was and is disputed. A large number of respectable media outlets (AFP, Reuters, Associated Press) reported that the soldiers were killed/captured in LEBANON, not inside Israel.
See: http://www.antiwar.com/frank/?articleid=9401
I think you'll find that holding prisoners incommunicado is also a trick both sides are guilty of.... and Israel is holding some that are children.
See for reference the EU's Parliament resolution on the situation of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails online here: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?language=EN&reference=RC-B6-0343/2008
I may be wrong but I do believe that Israel has allowed the Red Cross to access it's prisoners.
Could you provide links that substantiate the claim with regards to the kidnapping occurring in Palestinian land?
I have read that it occurred on the Israeli side of the Kerem Shalom crossing. An underground tunnel was used and it wouldn't make any since for the Palestinians to dig a tunnel that didn't cross over into Israel. The Israeli army post has taken gun fire as well. All evidence seems to indicate that the Palestinian Militants dragged the Israeli soldier back into Gaza...they didn't understand that bring one in would result in the thousands that followed.
This post doesn't make sense.
I provided a link to press reports of Israeli's being taken over the LEBANESE border by Hizbullah since we were discussing Lebanon in 2006. I said nothing about Palestinians or palestinian territory or Gilad Shalit's kidnapping Kerem Shalom crossing or dragging Israeli soldiers anywhere.
In any event, here's a photo of the Kerem Shalom crossing. Looks like a nice peaceful Israeli neighborhood doesn't it? http://www.flickr.com/photos/activestills/3155560361/
No, in fact it looks like EXACTLY what it is... the prison wall around the Concentration Camp that Israel has made out of Gaza. Seriously, if YOU were forced to live in Gaza under these conditions, don't you think you'd shoot a a few rockets and kidnap a few guards every chance you got? I would and even former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak and highly decorated IDF General admitted that he would too. (see: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1052057.html)
Letting the ICRC visit a prisoner is not the only obligation under the laws of war or under any International law. Recalling that the Nazi's put on quite the show at Theresienstadt for the Red Cross. See also the link to the EU resolution that I ALREADY provided in my post above.
Incarcerating ANY person without charge, without due process of law accepted under the norms of International law and using "stress positions" and other forms of torture are prohibited by treaties that Israel is party to. Read the relevant Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch reports for details. I'm sure you know how to use google, I'm tired of doing it for you.
NO ONE should be holding CHILDREN in "administrative detention" without charge, without family visits and without proper legal representation.
The causus belli in 1967 was the Egyptian blockade of Eilat, which began in early May. The Israelis appealed to the UN, etc to compel Egypt to lift the blockade. The UN did nothing. The Egyptians were busy, throughout May, moving troops up into Sinai, digging in, establishing offensive artillary positions. The Egyptian radio was full of broadcasts, celebrating the imminent massacre of the Jews. Not to be outdone, Syria shelled the Galilee, with more-than-usual energy. The three weeks that Israel waited for the UN compromised her defensive capability. Finally, in June, Israel took her defense upon herself.
Steelgrey,
You're way off base with your facts. Turn off the TV. Read more. It helps keeps the mistakes down to a minimum.
Tell me what fact i had wrong?
If you can't point out a mistake then there most not have been one....
I'm not trying to imply that i don't/haven't gotten facts wrong but when ever you tell someone they got something wrong its a good idea to point out what it was.
The rockets never stopped; even Hamas does not make this claim. Hamas claims that Hamas rockets stopped. Those things sailing into Sderot were Islamic Jihad rockets. See the difference? Neither does anyone else.
*applause*
The rockets did stop -- until the Israelis crossed into Gaza and executed 6 Hamas members (on Nov. 4 --didn't get a lot of press). They retaliated with some 3 pound rockets with a range of less than 10 miles -- Israel responded with an opening attack of 100 bombs (hundreds to thousands of pounds each) dropped from fighter jets and attack helicopters on more than 50 targets in less than 4 minutes. That was just the first day. Anyone denying this? Israel isn't. This isn't about the rockets.
People being held in a prison because they dont like their land being taken over are going to get angry. Since they dont have tanks they use homemade rockets. Israel is either too demonic or too stupid to understand this.
Both actually.
Dont forget the soccer game chant by Israelis singing in glee that Gazan children were too dead to go to school.
Now there's a people just itching for peace!
Actually, Israel does understand the outrage they induce. By provoking the Palestinians with the blockade, artillery attacks, sonic-boom inducing fly-overs, etc., it ensures a violent reaction of some kind that it can use to justify even more killing, and to prevent a peace process with a true solution.
But it is stupid in the long run because in these acts Israel will assure its own destruction. Supporters of Israeli should keep this in mind as they cheer even more slaugher.
http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/20364
The Palestinian rockets would have stopped if Israel had kept its promise to allow food and water into Gaza.
See second half of President Carter interview 2 days ago.
http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/10027
Why doesn't anybody bother to explain why Israel, founded on stolen land, needs international unconditional support. Barack Obama demands recognition of Israel by Hamas; even if they were willing to do so: what Israel? There have been several maps of the Middle East since 1948 and Israel has been pushing it's boundaries outward ever since, leaving less for the Palestinians and they are the ones who should make the first move? Why doesn't Barack Obama just say it as it is: the US cares about Israel, for whatever reason, and the Palestinians be damned. A very ugly truth, but at least it would be clear where everybody stood.
That is because the US lawmakers are bought and sold by AIPAC.
It seems that Americans don’t understand how big the Israeli occupation is as an issue around the world. How many people were killed in Guantanamo? Less than a dozen prisoners lost their lives there so far, I believe. Palestine is way more visible on the world stage.
If Obama doesn’t alter the US strategy for the Middle East, to take into account the need for justice and peace, he can announce the closure of as many secret prisons as he wants, The occupation will still be there, 24/7 on the international news channels.
The sight of US f16s and American helicopters dropping bombs on blocks of flats with mothers and their children, up front and center on al jazeera will continue to nullify any claims by the white house that things have changed.
Everyone is tired of "Palestine." The Israeli offer to Arafat in 2000 was generally understood to be the last best offer. Arafat preferred to start another war. Now, most people accept that Israel will have to do what Israel has to do. Non-Muslims were noteworthy for their absence from the anti-Israel demonstrations of last month.
O.K. Now that "everyone is tired of 'Palestine'", let's take a short break and check out what Mossad and mercenaries hired by U.S. zionists are up to in Iraq. http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_4301.shtml
Israeli raid injures Gaza children
The Fatah-linked al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed to have fired Wednesday's rocket at Israel.
Fatah, or al-Fatah, was co-founded in about 1959 by Yasser Arafat (hounded to death by Sharon, Lieberman and Clinton) and Mahmoud Abbas.
At least nine people, seven of them school girls, have been injured by an Israeli air attack in the southern Gaza Strip, sources tell Al Jazeera.
Note that both the U.S. and Israeli oppressors hold relations with Mahmoud Abbas and neither recognize Hamas because, they say, Hamas does not recognize it's oppressors.
How many centuries ago were the Jews yelling "Give us bar Abbas" - not much has changed since Jesus was crucified, has it?
Update:
Fresh Israeli strikes injure 18 Gazans
Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:32:40 GMT
Israel has renewed its airstrikes on the Gaza Strip, injuring eighteen Gazans, including 11 school children and a Hamas policeman.
According to eyewitnesses and medics, the Hamas policeman, Mohammed al-Sumeiri, was injured while riding his motorcycle in the town of Khan Yunis on Thursday.
Re steelgray 11:29am
If Hamas stopped firing rockets, Israel would launch another false-flag op and blame it on Hamas.
Does anybody deny this?
Forgive me but i'm not familiar with the term 'false-flag op?'
My point is that unless Hamas stops firing rockets then no western pressure will be brought to bear on Israel.
The World wouldn't let Israel just carpet bomb Palestine if Hamas were to renounce violence...but as long as Hamas keeps firing rockets the world will let Israel continue to unleash the IDF.
I didn't agree with the extent of Israel's attack on Gaza, far too much destruction occurred, but i do think that Hamas is equally responsible for the destruction of Gaza.
Palestinians and Israels are caught in the middle of a Hamas and IDF war.
Your last paragraph is somewhat disingenuous.
Hamas is the legally, and properly elected government of the Palestinian people and if you're not familiar with that bit of recent history I suggest you do your research. The Palestinian people OVERWHELMINGLY supported Hamas over Fatah in their 2006 National Election (see: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4650788.stm)
Hamas is the people's representative both politically and militarily and rightfully defended Gaza against Israel's illegal blockade and air attacks of November 4th (yup, most American's weren't paying much attention to what Israel did on Obama's big day).
Likewise, the IDF is Israel's official army, made up largely of Israeli civilian reservists who are called up at regular intervals and in times of national emergency. They are not some disembodied "other" part of Israel. And they are directed by the Israeli civilian government.
So - like your other conclusion - your logic is faulty. You cannot claim that Palestinians and Israelis are "caught in the middle" of some other conflict. They are one and the same.
I don't know where you got the idea that i didn't think Hamas to be the duly elected leadership of the Palestinian people. I will say that the next election won't be legitimate if both Hamas and Fatah continue to arrest each others members though.
Your position is dangerous.
First i agree that Hamas has plenty of legitimate grievousnesses with Israel and they if they chose to fight, as they obviously have, they are entitled to such. My problem with Hamas is that they chose not to attack the IDF but rather the civilians. Hamas seems to think that shopping mall, schools, and hospitals are legitimate targets. Now yes, Israel has targeted these same structures but they claim they do so b/c Hamas uses them as weapon storages. IF that is true then those buildings are legitimate targets according to Int'l Law. IF that is false then Israel is just as bad as Hamas. Regardless Hamas has no excuses for firing rockets and sending suicide bombers that target civilians.
Everybody makes a deal about how civilian Palestinians account for half or so of the dead and injured but why doesn't anyone complain that civilians account for nearly 80% dead and injured in Israel. I don't mean to belittle the dead on either side but i gotta say the Palestinians kill a far greater amount of civilians percentage wise than the Israelis. You do know that American's love pie charts and percentages.
As far as my claim that you say is incorrect, i am referring to the fact that it is the leadership that has put the two on a war path. Yes, the Hamas militants and the IDF are members of the population but it is the leadership of Hamas that calls for firing rockets in to Israel and the leadership of the Israeli government that calls for the block aid.
You seem to be saying that b/c each was elected democratically then the population is just as guilty as the leadership and that is dangerous thinking.
Not sure how my thinking is dangerous. In my assessment, looking at the facts through a propaganda-free lens and one polished by accurate historical fact is less dangerous than believing the distortions put out by the Israeli and U.S. media juggernaut. But if that's your preference so be it.
I will say that Hamas is no more targeting civilians than Israel is. Less in fact. Hamas is not TARGETING synagogues, schools or hospitals.
Hamas is not really capable of targeting AT ALL since the Qassam and crude rockets that Hamas builds cannot be "aimed" at all. Your math is bad too - the percentage of civilians killed in Israel is FAR less than the percentage of civilians killed BY Israelis. Last I checked (admittedly, it has been a few days now) 14 Israelis had been killed - 10 soldiers IN GAZA and 4 civilians. Something approaching 1500 Gazans have been killed, and AT LEAST 280 of those where CHILDREN. See also: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/23/gaza-children-casualties-israeli-attacks
Moreover, in the view of Hamas - and Palestinians generally - Israel's army is a citizen army and an occupying one at that - and therefore attacks on all Israeli targets are legitimate. There are almost no homes in Israel that do not have active duty sons or daughters in the IDF or reserve duty soldiers ready for callup at a moments notice.
As to the business of "hiding military targets among civilians" - do you know where Israel's equivalent of the Pentagon is? Right in the center of downtown Tel Aviv. As are it's military hospitals. And it's missile bases? Right in the center of civilian settlements. It nuclear missile batteries? Surrounded by the civilian settlements of Revadim, Kfar Menachem, and Zacharya.
Stop drinking the Israeli kool-aid. It's bad for your teeth and rots your brain.
It's dangerous b/c it can led to a slippery slop. IF we hold civilians accountable for whom they elect then an end result could be legitimizing the targeting of civilians. I believe it's a dangerous theory.
Now you say i'm just watching threw the fogged lenses of US media but i already agreed with you that the US media is unreliable so now your statement is getting illogical.
Just b/c Hamas doesn't have the ability to aim its rockets doesn't absolve them of responsibility for their rockets killing civilians!!! IF you can't control it don't fire it! If i walk outside and fire a gun in random direction i will still be liable for whatever injuries occur.
I am aware that all able bodied Israeli's under the age of 45 (i think thats the age limit) are in the reserve. Further all citizens are required to serve 2-3 year military terms. However, that doesn't make them legitimate targets according to Western values or Int'l Law. It doesn't matter what Hamas or the rest of the Palestinian population thinks, blowing up a bus of civilians is a crime. Also, whats your excuse for the killings of the elderly or of the children? Don't deny that Hamas has killed them. Your logic doesn't compute.
How do you know where Israeli's nuclear missiles are?
I don't deny that Israel has committed grave acts against the Palestinians so i haven't been sipping on the kool-aid but you seem to be gulping down the Hamas kool-aid. I cant believe your trying to argue that blowing up civilians is legitimate.
By the way, you commented on how Hamas never bombs hospitals but seeing how Israel had to build a hospital underground in S. Israel b/c the previous hospital had been hit by so many rockets i think you are the one that needs to stop reading Hamas newspapers....
If we don't hold citizens responsible for who they elect, who SHOULD be held accountable? The people that DIDN'T vote for the tyrant or war criminal? Of course they are accountable.
Some of us actively agitate AGAINST war criminals and torturers even when they claim the legitimacy of the presidency.
ESPECIALLY when they claim such legitimacy to violate the law.
About half the citizens of the US elected George Bush for two terms. The other half tried to prevent it, should they be held accountable too? Not all the citizens are responsible for the elected official, ultimately democracy is. Not so easy too blame everyone, eh?
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried"
Sir Winston Churchill
I like how you were unable to respond to the substance of my post...shall i take that as an acceptance to my points?