The Anti-Obama Hate-Fest
The Republican Party, which has defined modern-day negative politics, was back at it again, bashing Barack Obama and the news media in an ugly display that rivaled the old days of Nixon-Agnew - or George W. Bush's last convention where GOP operatives passed out "Purple Heart Band-Aids" to mock John Kerry's war wounds.
After a slow start because of Hurricane Gustav, the convention in St. Paul, Minnesota, has turned into an anti-Obama hate-fest with a nearly all-white gathering laughing at and mocking the nation's first African-American presidential nominee of a major party.
However, beyond the pulsating contempt visible on the faces of the GOP delegates, many of the nasty attacks on Obama - as well as the effusive praise for the Republican ticket - were blatantly false, as if testing the depths of American gullibility and bigotry.
In speech after speech, Republicans didn't so much as tell the Big Lie as they deployed Wholesale Lies.
The Associated Press, which mostly had been recycling the Republican spin about the supposedly "maverick" ticket of John McCain and Sarah Palin, was so struck by the litany of distortions that the AP produced a special fact-checking article describing how Republicans had "stretched the truth."
For instance, Palin said about Obama, "it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform - not even in the state senate."
However, as the AP noted, Obama "worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year."
Plus, the AP reported, "In Illinois, he was the leader on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation."
The AP's fact-checking article noted, too, that former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee's slap at Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden - that Palin "got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States" - was a "whopper."
The AP wrote that "Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor's election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries."
Parallel Reality
The Republican National Convention also acted as if the Republicans had not controlled the White House for the past eight years and the Congress for most of that time.
"We need change, all right," declared former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, "change from a liberal Washington to a conservative Washington! We have a prescription for every American who wants change in Washington - throw out the big-government liberals, and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin."
Beyond this parallel universe of who runs Washington, there was fanciful puffery about the GOP "reformer" ticket - dubbed "maverick squared" - that doesn't square with reality at all.
For instance, the AP cited Palin's claim that "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending ... and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."
The reality, of course, was much different.
As the AP noted. Palin, as mayor of the tiny town of Wasilla, hired a lobbyist and made annual treks to Washington seeking earmarked spending that totaled $27 million, and then as Alaska's governor for less than two years, she sought nearly $750 million in special federal spending, "by far the largest per-capita request in the nation."
And as for that $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents, the truth is that Palin enthusiastically supported the project before she reluctantly opposed it, rejecting the "Bridge to Nowhere" only after it had become politically indefensible.
The Los Angeles Times discovered that Sen. McCain had specifically cited several of Palin's earmarks on his annual list of wasteful pork-barrel spending.
In 2001, for instance, McCain's list included a $500,000 earmark for a public transportation project in Wasilla, and in 2002, he criticized $1 million targeted for an emergency communications center that Palin sought but local law enforcement said was redundant and a source of confusion.
Remaking Palin
Now, however, Palin has been transformed into a maverick reformer. McCain's campaign even cites her experience as an abuser of the earmark process as part of the reason she supposedly understands why it must be scrapped.
McCain spokesman Taylor Griffin said Palin's successes in getting earmarked funds "was one of the formative experiences that led her toward the reform-oriented stance that she has taken as her career has progressed."
Nevertheless, Palin wrote in a newspaper column just this year that "the federal budget, in its various manifestations, is incredibly important to us, and congressional earmarks are one aspect of this relationship." [For more details, see Los Angeles Times, Sept. 3, 2008]
Beyond the GOP's reality-challenged speeches, there was the startling image of a nearly all-white convention - where only 36 of the 2,380 delegates were black, the smallest number in at least 40 years - rollicking in ridicule and bristling with animosity toward Obama, an African-American.
With their loud chants of "drill, baby, drill" regarding energy policy and boisterous shouts of "USA, USA" about "victory" in Iraq, there was a sense that St. Paul was hosting a convention of American Falangists, rather than that of a modern national party.
The whiff of authoritarianism extended to outside where demonstrators and journalists were swept off the streets in indiscriminate arrests.
What's less clear about the GOP convention is whether the Republicans are on to something, that perhaps the United States has crossed over into a post-rational society that cares little about facts and reality or serious policy ideas and respectful debate, but rather is a nation moved by anger and ridicule, fear and nationalism.
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Show All"'I think that the surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated,' he said, adding, 'It’s succeeded beyond our wildest dreams.'
Being that this was said while staring the dead slime that is O'Reilly into his own 'neverland' of a fascist pigsty, the interpretations given here are the boiled frog brains of what, last year's surplus sale of stale bread.
Obama threw the cynical, sarcastic horseshit back in the collective neocons' image adjustment on national T.V.
"...our wildest dreams.," means the Democratic Party's knowledge of the 'surge's' well documented failure to produce anything more than hot air spin by pundit big heads, further enabling the Dem party to secure the WH and a hell of a lot more Congressional and Senate seats. If that fantasy becomes reality, all bets are off on the futures of criminal neocons.
The best people to be leaders in a government are people that wouldn't want the job. My hero, MLK never ran for office that I know of however, he is one of the greatest leaders ever.
Obama is no MLK. He is a typical politician who is willing to sell out for the office he so disparately desires. Most politicians are scum. Tom Delay, Newt Gingrich, Joe Lieberman, and Nancy Pelosi are typical politicians. People attracted to political office are most unsavory sorts. They are ambitious wealth and power-seeking defenders of the status-quo. Sen. Obama is a typical ambitious politician.
We have had some reasonably good politicians who want to help society. FDR did some good, mostly because he had to, we were in a depression. Dennis Kucinich and Cynthia McKinney definitely have their hearts in the right place. But in order to receive the type of endorsement from the PTB (powers that be) that is necessary to win an election for president politicians must demonstrate they will pose no threat to the PTB. That is why Dennis and Cynthia are not viable. Most of my fifth grade students don't even know anybody is running for president other than McCain and Obama.
If a politician poses even a weak and timid threat to the PTB they will meet the same fate as Kucinich, McKinney, Nader, Gravel and even Ron Paul. They will be deemed not viable and ignored. They will be excluded and marginalized. Only candidates pledging allegiance to the status-quo PTB will be promoted and eventually elected. And that's the truth!
Bring America Back !!!! Well Mr Robt Parry, if we do not know by now that Republicans lie, then we are potted plants. You can and do call that practice of false statement, hate, but the Repubbys also hate to lose !!
The one thing they learned from Watergate, was not to stop lying or to
reform==but how to do it better, and get away with it. That's exactly what King George and his Neocon Kingdom have done. Every lie, every crime known to mankind and just control the power structure so they can ram it down our gullets and walk out of the White HOuse as if they were actually human beings.
Read John Dean's 'Worse Than Watergate' for a good example.
Obama's Team are getting out=campaigned terribly by the McCain Team !!
They had a stroke of genius, they saw Biden as VP pick, then they pounced with the ideal, perfect running mate for old John--Sarah Palin== young, vivacious, attractive, intelligent, scrappy.
**they took away the Dems own campaign slogan of CHANGE-- Palin cracks Hillary's glass ceiling, and collects the female voters of America. Barak sits there looking at Joe's white hair, & scars from the ol' inside boys. Barak needed to pick Gov Karen Sebelious, Kansas, who would've given the change and bounce which Palin gives McCain ! Sebelious just needed to get her hair color back !
**they took away the hugh Catholic vote again==the family values exhibited
by Palin are unassailable==and believe me the Catholics gave Bush both of his elections on the Right to Life issue alone !!
**they cut into energy debates, because Palin has a natural gas
pipeline flowing thru her state of Alaska==so even if oil drilling becomes a
question==she's got natural Gas. Same as T. Boone Pickins.
SO, Mr Parry, with only 2 months until Election Day==it is the time for
lies and hate==it the time for rhetoric and passion== nobody has time for any more fact checking, or biographical vetting and the Obama campaign is now desperate== they are backpeddling atrociously:
***Obama interviews with O'Reilly of Fox Tv News== the illegitimate right wing radical war cheerleader. He has been advised by the progressive community never to appear with Fox. Last NIte, he is on praising "The Surge" w/O'Reilly.
***Obama's Team is struggling to cast Palin in a bad light and to smear her, and it is like attacking Motherhood, God , and Country--It Will Backfire a hundred times over !!!! Obama's campaign people just have no clue.
***I keep thinking, geeze, is someone paying Obama to blow just another election for the sure-thing Demmys ?? Then, I think , no, that can't be true. Nope !
But, in here we Progs, rhymes with Frogs, are not too stoopid to realize that our choices are back to the lesser of two Evils, and the margins between the two are getting thinner and thinner. Lets just hope Obama wakes up soon and comes back with a lot better Plan== He definitely needs to get rid of whoever advised him to pick Biden, and whoever advised him to publicly denounce 4-Star General Wesley Clark, and whoever advised him to vote for the FISA law, and whoever advised him to change his mind on ocean oil drilling. HE just cannot do these things and still lay claim to hope, faith, change and audacity.
***Tell him to lay off Palin, and concentrate on John (BombIran) McCain !!
Thomas More -- "No one throwing bombs at my family in an act of domestic terroism is my hero or my friend. "
But throwing bombs at helpless third-world brown people makes our Marines war heroes. This disconnect and hypocrisy in our morality is disturbing to say the least and is definitely racist.
He puzzles me , frankly. Posts like a moderator at times, asks for literate and logical dialogue yet descends into hyperbole when his own button is pushed, must have been frightened by a weather man as a child. No Weather Underground figure attempted or called for the throwing of bombs at families. Not ever.
We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
WSWS.ORG: Thank you for posting "news" tidbits.
RIC ABREU: This idea of "fix yourself first" is a hybrid of the Biblical "get the board away from your own eyes before fixing your gaze on another" added to the New Age Madison Avenue version of spirituality. In the case of the latter, it encouraged people to work on themselves, and in the 20 years or so of this "fashion" as WE worked on ourselves, society was taken over by the wolves. (Not to give wolves a bad name.) Some people tout this pabulum because it sounds New Age groovy and savvy. It is anything but.
WMC: What you relate, and of course it IS all factual, if presented as a basis for a movie script 10 years ago would have been rejected by every Hollywood agent or producer on grounds that it was simply too falacious to be acceptable.
NOT IN SERVICE: Wow! The hybrid analogy puts the waste in blood and treasure into a whole new (green) context!
THOUGHTS INTO ACTION: Great posting, as per the "herd" psychology. I agree with Lakoff and live in the heart of the Bible belt where I have to deal with these types of people (when I deal at all). That brings me to the issue DOG FACE raised in terms of WHAT would wake this group up. Of course it would help if the press/media actually told the truth, but we are now dealing with a sizable population pool so raised on SHIT as their food for thought, that not only is their state relevant to the Jack Nicholson character, "You can't handle THE truth!," but they would NOT recognize it.
I believe in the ongoing life of the soul, and I share this because it's ostensible that the same persons who argued that the earth was flat, are again with us... challenging the concept of the circle, that things revolve, cycles rule and all acts come full circle. Between the churches providing the false conviction that this is a holy war and their congregants are on the SIDE of RIGHT, (the very use of Christ's name to support war IS the anti-Christ, it is not a person, it is an heinous inversion of PRINCIPLE); standard education, and media culture that's all about senseless consumerism and the worship of violence as heroism... deprogramming the population is a task not unlike that confronted by parents whose children were held under thrall by that darling to the Bush administration, Reverend sun-moon.
The times are crazy! Fair is foul and foul is fair... it is a tale of sound and fury (being made to) signifying NOTHING. I can understand given the chaos rendered, the calamitous shock and awe to basic consciousness (the psychic side of Naomi Klein's excellent assertion regarding "Disaster Capitalism") why so many are turning to faith. Nothing makes sense. It's just a diabolical shame, and karmic trap, that these places of worship (too many, not all) are rubber stamping the very policies driving the marvelous world we've been given asunder. That, added to greed, ignorance and the incapacity to do what Christ taught: forgive and turn the other cheek.
Good clarification Siouxrose on the red herring need to "CHANGE YOURSELF" faux deep "philosophical" apology for Dems and Obama.
Obama lectured Blacks on Father's Day about the need to pay child support and said not a word about institutionalized racism or Katrina. The good old "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" philosophy is alive and well.
This philosophy believes that the government is not here to provide a safety net for people. The government is here to take taxpayer money and give it to the rich in the form of taxbreaks and war for the profiteering of the Military Industrial Complex and Big Oil.
Excellent points about how Christianity is used to exploit the notion that the GWOT is justified on the grounds we are fighting a crusade against the infidels that bombed us on 9-11.
Well, OF COURSE Republicans lie ruthlessly in ways that Democrats can only stand back and admire. It's what they do. Truth is for suckers in the "reality-based community,"in their world view.
Now, ask yourself why Democrats fight Greens with a viciousness that their bipartisan buddies will never receive.
How about the liberal media giving the GOP/RNC a free pass for mocking community organizers over and over again only minutes after Palin brought down the house by invoking the power of the PTA she road in on...?
Should community organizers from coast to coast feel belittled by the GOP's elitist comments or is it only okay to call out the uppity blacks for such language?
Quoting from the following article by Patrick Martin, entitled "McCain Launches Fall Campaign as Obama Embraces Iraq 'Surge'” --
"The most important factor propping up both the Bush administration and the Republican presidential campaign is the complicity and cowardice of the Democratic Party. McCain’s claim to be leading an insurgency against the government of his own party is undoubtedly preposterous, but he is able to adopt this posture with at least a fig leaf of credibility because the Democratic Party does not fulfill the role of an 'opposition' party in any serious sense.
"Obama’s performance Thursday on Fox television’s 'The O’Reilly Factor' was a case in point. After winning the Democratic nomination in large measure because of his purported opposition to the war in Iraq, Obama has sought repeatedly to demonstrate to the US political establishment that he can be a credible commander in chief for American imperialism.
"He told O’Reilly that he 'absolutely' believed that the United States was engaged in a worldwide war against terrorism, including not only Al Qaeda and the Taliban, but 'a whole host of networks that are bent on attacking America who have a distorted ideology.'
"Obama described Iran as a 'major threat,' and said it would be 'unacceptable' to an Obama administration for Iran to possess nuclear weapons. 'It would be a game-changer,' he said, adding, 'I would never take a military option off the table.' He called for a more aggressive military posture towards Pakistan, the day after a major US military strike within that country.
"But his starkest reversal came on Iraq, as O’Reilly pressed him to admit that the Bush administration’s troop 'surge,' the escalation of the war by the addition of some 30,000 US combat troops, had been a success. Obama has sought to dance around the issue for months, but he finally embraced the surge emphatically on Thursday.
"'I think that the surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated,' he said, adding, 'It’s succeeded beyond our wildest dreams.' This demonstrates not only Obama’s cringing submission to the pressure of the right wing, but a staggering degree of political blindness. Like Bush, Cheney, McCain and the rest of official Washington, Obama truly believes that US imperialism can, by military force alone, impose its will on the world. His only disagreement is with the Bush administration’s obsessive focus on Iraq, which Obama and many other spokesmen for the military and foreign policy establishment believe has undermined US interests in other parts of the globe.
"The Democratic Party is a capitalist party that defends the same social interests as the Republicans—the massive fortunes of the superrich financial aristocracy which is the real ruling force in American society. The Democrats play a specific role in the political division of labor: while the Republicans consistently and unabashedly uphold the rights of the wealthy, the Democrats pretend to represent working people, while ensuring that there is no challenge from below to the profit system.
"This division of labor explains the half-hearted and spineless performance of the Democrats in the current presidential campaign. Obama, Biden & Co. are at pains to demonstrate that they will make no appeal to mass discontent that goes beyond what is acceptable to the ruling elite. The Democrats offer their services to the financial oligarchy to win at least a certain degree of mass support for the reactionary program that both parties fundamentally share."
Click here for the entire article -- http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/sep2008/mcca-s06.shtml
wsws.org good article. I can't believe Obama will stoop to anything he thinks will get him into the White House including adopting John McCain's position on the surge. Is there anything beneath him?
Picking the champion of the war in Iraq and hyper-militarist, Joe Biden, as a running mate speaks volumes for who Obama is, a stooge for the powers that be and the establishment. To believe otherwise is to engage in willful self delusion.
wsws:
You are being accused of intellectual dishonesty due to that cumbersome appendage that encases the chicken fat that masquerades as a brain somewhere above your shoulders, perched on the neck of a carp...
Your repeat posting of this lengthy quotation you are enamored with for every CD article is at best proof of your lack of ideas, while attempting to stage your personal propaganda vomit against who will very well be the next POTUS.
It truly is a pathetic endeavor on your part, without the greater moral and romance of Quixote's quest.
Any chance you might comment on the contents of the article?
We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
It looks like American has become 'Home of the Gullible'!!!! Every election the Republican's lies get bigger and bolder! Pushing the boundaries of propriety to the point of breaking. You would think eventually people would catch on to the deception?????? But, there seems to be about 30% of the voting public that never does. Mostly because most of them aren't interested in the truth. Just the hate rhetoric that flows out of the Republican camp! It's almost like they are addicted to the venom. They can't make it a single day with a fix of Rush and friends. Sad and pathetic!!!
Most people I know put their fingers in their ears and go la, la, la. They think that none of this concerns them. How do we break through to their consciousness and the reality of this threat?
Ya know…if Obama and his gang do not get their sh*t together and INFORM the American people with facts about …… Grampy McCain and Caribou Barbie, we will be seeing the “black-shirts” marching down our streets.
And, my sistas, we can only look forward to playing out “The Handmaid's Tale” by Margaret Attwood.
If these boobs have thrown their families into the spotlight, then they are fair game. The Repubs seem to get away with dissing the Obamas, Hillary and anyone else that get in the way of their goal.
I know it is written somewhere that those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. Yes, this may be called “mud-slinging”. I say if the mud sticks, so be it.
A "post-rational" society? How about a "pre-rational" society? Consider: on Sept. 2 the Wall Street Journal reports the Arctic is an island for the first time in history. The next day, an ice sheet the size of Manhatten breaks off. That same day, Republicans spontaneously break into the chant, "Drill, Baby, Drill", then go on to choose a creationist and global-warming-denier to the number 2 spot on the national ticket. No wonder the US has become the laughing stock of the civilized world.
Talk about partisan spin. Corporations own both CORPORATE candidates. Obama like McCain is in bed with major corporate money. If you want a lesson in the truth go to opensecrets dot org and track the money Obama and McCain has taken. Yes, Republicans are masters at obfuscation, but what this article does not tell you, so ARE THE DEMOCRATS. The Democratic apologetic gets more than its share of corporate air time, as this Cat demonstrates. Which begs the question: who owns this guy?
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/09/04-4
the front runners in this election are again not about to doing what the people want.
Cost of war is up to 22,059,061 that is the number of hybrid cars the US could have bought and gave away to Americans and our need for Middle East oil would be almost zero
PS I said above election, since I don't trust the election process in America I will should use appointed not elected
musawwir -- "Obama will kill more children in Afghanistan and Pakistan, continuing the Bush tradition and McCain will do the same as Obama. "
Ive read your blog and am deeply impressed and agree with pretty much all of it. However ...
Im no fan of Obama but this misrepresentation is just plain wrong. He has clearly stated that he would like to hold Pakistan accountable for the $10 Billion weve funneled into the corrupt Pakistani Army pockets.
Anyone who follows South Asian politics can tell you in a minute that these billions we funnel into Pakistan goes directly into buying more arms so as to confront the Indians on their border (F-16's anyone ??). I can understand Pakistanis becoming uncomfortable with such scrutiny but the fact is the Pakistani Army and the ISI are the single largest terrorist entity in the region. They created and funded the vicious Taliban as well as the LET, HUM, LEJ and a host of other such Jihadi outfits that proliferate terror in India (Kashmir). These billions should go directly to fund schools and improve the economy rather than buying arms.
He further clarified his statements on Pakistan on the O-Reilly interview a couple of days back (whats he doing on FOX ??!!), and unequivocally stated that he doesnt support a full-scale invasion of Pakistan or anything of that nature but he definitely wants to hold the Pakistanis responsible for any further funds (read $$$). How this gets twisted to killing Afghan and Pakistani children is courtesy of the gazillion Obama haters.
The Pakistani Army, by creating and supporting these terror outfits is responsible for killing far more children than the justifiably hated and cowardly U.S. Army and Marines. Supporting Pakistani policies over U.S. policies only serves to distort the truth.
McCain ofcourse will continue our decades old policy of supporting an endless stream of pliant Pakistani dictators who will continue to set the entire region on fire.
There is a problem: the more we engage in a "war on terror", the more terrorists we create. And we never seem to acknowledge that we are ourselves (the U.S., I mean) is a terrorist nation itself, and a much more dangerous one for the whole entire world.
Republicans are dumb as boards in the sense that they have little ability, and little inclination, to reflect on matters that exist outside their class, race and circumstances.
Scholar George Lakoff described right-wing thinking as the "strict father" mentality. However, the metaphor is just too tepid. Republicans feel no compassion because it just doesn't occur to them. It's a social defect in their psyche.
Even if Republicans bothered to read Robert Parry's essay above, they wouldn't think it applied to them.
So, all of their lies aren't self-evident to them. The concept of hypocracy implies that you can perceive a contradiction, but Repugs seem to lack this sensibility. Moreover, they can keep the hypocracy going for years.
In addition, Republicans are big on the herd mentality. Following "leaders" and rules engenders strong positive emotions in them.
Robert Parry is right to point out all of the Obama hate pouring from the RNC podium. For me, all of that Republican ugliness would translate into a vote for Obama, but there's just one catch - the policies. Beyond the hateful rhetoric, the similarities between the McCain and Obama platforms just can't be ignored.
I can't stomach Obama's war support, his gutting of the Fourth Amendment, his enlistment of Chicago School of Economics advisors who believe in capitalism as the rightful spoils of the rich in a Hobbesian world.
Obama's ugly policies will result in real death and deprivation. He'll do it with more polish than McCain, but the same people will end up getting rich off the wars. There'll be more death. U.S. citizens will be faced with massive debts. It'll be not much different than a McCain presidency.
Social grace that cover antisocial policies is not a good thing. Let's not support Republican zombies. Let's equally not support crooning militarists. We have alternatives.
-TIA
Thomas More my friend --- "I would suggest you are wrong about the race thing. In the first place most Americans don't really care anymore and even if they did they would react negatively to those kind of attacks."
I would suggest you pass that bong around ... it seems to cloud your perception. Im not sure how you came up with this gem but we are racist in more ways than you can imagine. Obama is palatable to a lot of Dems because he is essentially a white guy. Judging by the Hillary Soap Opera its likely a big chunk of Hillarys borderline white dems will easily hop onto to the OldWhiteGuy's bandwagon. Race is the big white elephant sitting in the room and everyone pretends not to see it. Your statement may hold true here in California or New York or Chicago but thats about it.
Thats just my opinion. Its what I see in everday life, though franly I wouldn't put New York and especially Chicago in that catagory.
I truly don't think there are that many folks that care if Obama is black or not. They care who and what he is. We are in trouble and we need someone that can do the job. If he loses I am certain it won't be because he is black, it will be because he didn't win.
My statement is true in Texas, that I know. But make no mistake I am well aware that there is racism alive and well everwhere and especially in pockets. Its just not the norm anymore.
Just my opinion.
"...has crossed over into a post-rational society that cares little about facts and reality or serious policy ideas and respectful debate, but rather is a nation moved by anger and ridicule, fear and nationalism..."
-an Obama supporter?
Obama "worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year."
-Gee I wonder who is the leading manufacturer and exporter of MWD in the world today? Ah....could it be the US? Oh, but I guess those are "legal" huh?
Grappa
It's not the Dem's fault, the fact is the Republicans are experts at marketing their product, and Americans have been conditioned [Pavlov] to respond in predicable ways to the sounds, colors ,and visuals. The Dems are not there yet.
Propaganda is a inciduous control for the masses.
If you look at the political candidates thinking some profound "change" is about to come, you are delusional.
I look at these elections for what they really are: cheap entertainment.
Well who didn't know this about the Republicans? They become more brazen all the time. Maybe Bush and Co. gave them courage?
"Hey Dubbya did it right in front of their faces. We can do it too."
All-white? Again, DUH. Racism? God, isn't it obvious enough?
They're going to exploit every little thing they can find. They laughed at and denigrated Kerry, Gore, Clinton, etc. Which is hilarious when you consider the superficial differences between the Dems and the Reps.
I'm not an Obama hater, I'm just a skeptic and have grown very weary of having to choose between one guy who's not as bad as the other.
We've got a zombie soldier who wants to walk into the sun vs. a guy who simply wants to make history and wants everyone to like him.
The elites, the powerful and the corrupt, are never going to have the warm 'n' fuzzies over anyone they think even has a sliver of concern for workers, the poor, and the environment.
They attacked Clinton also, not because he was left-wing and was committed to social and economic justice, but because he just too soft a Republican. So they pushed him into their direction.
Again, I see the racism and the paranoia in a good bit of people when it comes to Obama. I have to deal with some of them daily. There are a lot of very valid reasons for not wanting to vote for Obama. The man's racial or religious background is not one of them.
You know one thing I tell the wing-nuts when they go on about Obama and race?
"I think Obama cares more about rich white folks than he does anyone else."
You should see the blank stares. Especially when I start talking about 3rd party candidates.
Nonetheless, I do believe Obama will win. I'm just being realistic. But I also think that supporting true progressives like Nader or McKinney (I still don't know who I'll give my vote too. Sadly it's a drop in the bucket either way imo.) has the potential to inject some substance and some ommph into a poppy progressive/dishwater conservative like Obama.
And what of the silent majority that is us? We are a sleeping giant that could shake Obama so hard he'd become Noam Chomsky or Howard Zinn.
Some would disagree with my theory in electing problems away. I do think it is possible. But at this juncture such I thing is unlikely.
So we'll just have to get on Obama's case any which way we can. It's not as if there's no wiggle room with the guy. He'd be easier to sway than Captain Tunnel Vision.
Okay, we know Obama doesn't believe a word of the poop and scoop he toses. What about McCain? Do you think he believes his Shangrila of America the righteous, free yada yada??... hard to tell... this is a question about McCain's intelligence...
It is irrelevant what McCain believes in, what is relevant is that he choose a running mate, Palin, who clearly speaks to the Republican base - for that, for that only - the Republicans will love McCain. McCain who is not the ideal candidate for the Republican base, responded to that base - and brought in Palin.
Obama does not speak to the issues of concern for the majority of Americans, nor to the Democratic Party base who want to end the war, and other issues... he abandoned those issues to pander to the Republican base, he further pandered to the rightwingnuts Zionists with his selection of Biden. Unfortunately, the Democratic base does not have the principles that the republican base does, and they will allow Obama to get away with all of this with barely a whimper. The Republicans insisted that McCain respond to their base or else...
Obamaites insist that everyone vote for Obama regardless of anything he says, no matter what kind of wars he wants, and no matter how much he panders to the rightwingnuts.
http://almusawwir.org/resistance/
I don't think anyone has forgotten what has happened in the last eight years.
We are busy, but we are not stupid.
The egregious trespasses of the Constitution and international law leave the whole Washington scene looking like a bunch of miscreant tyrrants who deserve nothing better than to be sent to Guantanamo for good.
I cannot believe there even has to be a discussion here. I am just afraid these thieves will steal the election again. With what has happened in the last nine years, this election should be a landslide! (I mean if it is done in a just way).
No, no one has forgotten the welfare deformist anti-poor people's president (Democratic President) clinton either, no one has forgotten the democratic party's duplicity, and their complicity with the past 8 years.
And yes, because of the way Obama/Biden pander to the Republican Party's base - the Republicans will win again. Two parties vieing for the same base - of-course the party that the base knows is their own will win. Don't need rocket science to figure that one out - don't even need to cheat, or even need a crystal ball.
http://almusawwir.org/resistance/
I think those in the "duopoly," or Wall Street capital, or whomever you think is pulling strings during these elections - I think they want Obama to "win." They've gone as far as they can go with the Republicans to further their agenda. What they are ultimately after domestically is Social Security. I think it's going to be a lot easier to vaporize Social Security with a Democratic president. They will still go after everything that's not nailed down - military spending, trashing social programs, outsourcing jobs - but they can do it under a kinder, gentler leader.
I think they don't care who wins, as long as the election is somewhere close to 50/50, because then, as usual, they can continue to get away with murder. I am sure that an election of how the majority of people really feel in the States would be made without trickiness, it would be a landslide away from what we have gone through in the last nine years.
O'Bama will lose a debate with Ralph Nader practically as fast as McKane. The reason is simple. Neither corporate candidate can embrace the people's agenda.
And that is why they marginilize Nader - they cannot have the people's agenda infringing on their imperial agenda.
http://almusawwir.org/resistance/
All that's missing is the swastika.
And the Iron Heeled Boots
WAAAHHH!!!!!!!!!! The Republicans are saying things about Obama that are NOT NICE!!! Sh!t, if they sink any lower, Republicans will start sounding like Hildebeast Democrats....
"What's less clear about the GOP convention is whether the Republicans are on to something, that perhaps the United States has crossed over into a post-rational society that cares little about facts and reality or serious policy ideas and respectful debate, but rather is a nation moved by anger and ridicule, fear and nationalism."
Mr. Parry is always on the Democrats side, so he only looks at it this way. But I'd make the point that the Obama speech fits in exactly to this same discription.
As always with an Obama speech, I was struck by how little real substantive content was in there. The speech was about 20-25 min of fluff, then there was a short section with some real content, then there was another 25 min or so of fluff. It was big on vague statements. It was pretty good at pointing out the problems of America. And it had a lot of attacks on McCain and the Republicans in it. But, even after Obama did an ok job of pointing out the problems in America, it was very lacking in any statements about what he'd do to make things better.
I've been struck all along how the Obama campaign uses many of the same techniques that the Republicans use. This is one. The words are of course different from a Republican speech, as it has a different target audience. But, when there's five minutes or less of real substance about issues in Obama's speech, its kinda funny to see the Dems attacking the Repulicans for not having any substance in their speeches.
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Samsom, I watched the Obama speech from the Democratic Convention at the local theater packed with hundreds of screaming obamamites clinging to his every last syllable. He made one fleeting mention of New Orleans (a remark not mentioning NO by name) about ignoring a city that is drowning. He could of mentioned his plan to adress the plight of the homeless, our over crowded jails and the over bloated pentagon budget. He seems to think that the disenfranchised will not register in large enough numbers in the next month to make a difference in November. Pandering to the middle and upper middle class white voters, Barack thinks that African American voters (regardless of how reactionary his public pronouncements are) have already decided to line up at the polls to pick a candidate who looks like them. He knows that McShame will be lucky to get more than five percent of the African American vote. But McShame, the imperialist war monger, knows damn well that if the election is close he will win. It can be stolen quite easily as evidenced by our last two national debacles. Does anyone around the world want to trade living accomodations with a beleagured, shell shocked north amerikan?
Exactly! Ethereal speeches will look like parodies at the rate this economy is going!
Assuming that a full 60 minutes of solid fact and policy would send most viewers into a deep slumber, what ratio of "substance" to "fluff" do you think is appropriate or feasible?
That ratio doesn't matter. What matters is that we allow the Repuks to create much more pain among the petro-convenience-gluttony addicted population so we can reach a critical mass of revolutionary support to end this hideous gilded age ASAP. At the same time, we're trying to show Americans that there is more to life than petro-convenience and that progressive localism is the responsible way.
Doesnt have to last 60 min
Exactly right, Samson.
Instead of saying to the American public: "These guys (the Republicans) are subverters of the truth. Look how they distort reality. Look how they pander to your fears and anxieties." ... Instead, they copy them.
Similarly, instead of saying "STOP! -- the war in Iraq is criminal. Besides which, it makes the United States *more* vulnerable to terrorism." ... Instead, they enable Bush to continue his insane, monstrously criminal war.
The Democrats are getting all kinds of "mileage" out of the fact that Sarah Palin has a daughter who conceived a child before she was married. And this, that and the other thing about Palin. ... And the Republicans got a certain amount of mileage over the fact that Obama didn't wear a flag in his lapel. ... But where are the Democrats saying: "STOP! -- these are not the issues that affect the felt-lives of millions of people; not only in the US but around the world."
I agree completely..unfortunatly, if the democrats bring a knife to this gunfight, they will be mauled.
I am happy to see that the Democrats, while attacking their oppenents, are attaking with the provable TRUTH, not just making up their attacks from whole cloth like the Fascist party does
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
Quoting from a recent article by Donna Volatile, entitled "The Obama Construct" http://www.counterpunch.org/volatile08282008.html --
"McCain is a war mongering bully who is in your face. Obama, on the other hand, is a smooth talker, whose own foreign policy positions aren't too far removed from McCain's, and one has to wonder which is worse, or indeed if there really is any difference at all. (The idea of voting for the lesser of two evils, McCain being the more evil, according to Obama supporters, seems ludicrous given that both of these candidates will ultimately do the bidding of their masters and the master plan is the same for both parties. This should be quite apparent by now and if it isn't, well, by all means vote for Obama and reap your just rewards. ... Do you really think 'Obomba's' idea of war will be kinder and gentler than McCain's?)
"Obama supporters will tell you “but he's honest and so sincere”, and “he's run a clean campaign” or “he's one of us” (that one always gets me) but they remain blinded to what is obvious to many on the radical left and many on the traditional conservative/libertarian right: Obama is a player and he is playing the game of the global elitists.
"Since he has all but secured his party's nomination, he's becoming more militaristic by the minute, in both tone and by his stance on several key foreign policy issues.
"Obama and his VP Choice, Senator Biden, however, are not the crux of the problem but rather the mainstream voters are the problem as they continue to enable the corrupt two party system by consistently supporting the candidates being foisted upon them by controllers who select them in the first place and who are reinforced by the mainstream media machine in the second. These are not choices, these are lack of choices and if voters continue to participate in this sham, then they truly get what they deserve!
"With Obama supporters, the phrase “blinded by the light” takes on a whole new meaning. What part don't you get?! (This is the party threatening to place demonstrators at the DNC in recently erected detention camps and the party whose House majority leader, Nancy Pelosi, ridicules the anti-war movement and the homeless: “If they were poor and they were sleeping on my sidewalk, they'd be arrested for loitering but because they have 'Impeach Bush' across their chest, it's the First Amendment.” Funny how both parties get upset over that whole free speech thing.)
"What is most stunning about delusional Obama supporters is, when confronted by the aforementioned facts about Obama, they counter with this inane idea that Obama is only “saying” these things, he doesn't really mean them, it's only to get elected and once he gets elected the true altruistic essence of the man will save us all from tyranny! (Can we say reality check?!)
"Their indefensible support of this double talker is beyond comprehension. ...
"If you want to help put a stop to the rigged election game, if you really want to make a difference and you want your voice of disapproval to be heard, then VOTE! Vote for ANYBODY but the two buffoons, who have been pre-selected for you by the global elitist machine. Send a message, loud and clear: We refuse your choices.
"Vote Nader, vote McKinney, vote Ron Paul, vote Bob Barr, write in a vote, do whatever but don't support the corrupt system. Commit to a protest vote. Vote your conscience, do not vote under the “lesser of two-evils” threat because then YOU are part of the problem, not part of the possible solution. (We've been on this trip too many times before. From “hope and help is on the way” Kerry to Obama's constant harping on “Change We Can Believe In”, you have been sold a bill of goods from first to last. For all of Obama's talk of change, his words and actions show quite clearly, he means more of the same...)
"For those die hard Obama supporters who refuse to see the hand writing on the wall. ... YOU are the problem. ... For those die-hard Hillary Clinton supporters, promising to vote for McCain because your war-monger wasn't the chosen one, seek psychiatric help immediately.
"And one more thing. ... Evil is evil, bad is bad, wrong is wrong regardless of sex, race, creed or color.
"And another thing. ... If you vote for Obama, you are neither liberal nor are you progressive, so let's get that straight. If you vote for Obama, you are a neoliberal, so get use to it.
"Stop making excuses, there are none and time is running out as an even larger war may be in the making.
"Get those blinders off!
"This is your wake up call!"
(Words in parenthesis Ms. Volatile's)
I love this statement:
"mainstream voters are the problem as they continue to enable the corrupt two party system by consistently supporting the candidates being foisted upon them by controllers who select them in the first place and who are reinforced by the mainstream media machine in the second."
This is how I've felt about Obama, that he was foisted upon me. I didn't want him, still don't. And I'm tired of doing the "right" thing every time the Dem party screws up. They really made a mess of it when they let Obama pick Biden as the VP. What about all of the 18 million people who voted for Hillary ? Did Obama not think that maybe he should appeal to them in some way ? Apparently not, so screw him.
To help to ensure his loss, I will vote for McCain. Of course my vote will have no impact, I'm in Illinois. >:-)
"Nancy Pelosi, ridicules the anti-war movement and the homeless: “If they were poor and they were sleeping on my sidewalk, they'd be arrested for loitering"
Nancy Pelosi does not own the sidewalk. But she thinks she does. And this seems ok with her "base", just like the massive shift into the extreme right gutter is ok with her "base".
Her base seems to want "Slow Food Fest" MUCH more than they want REAL solidarity with the people of the world. Their hero Bill Clintok's legacy? Destruction of the thousands-year food production tradition of Mexico and resulting mass economic refugee migration, so the crony network can corner the Mexican tortilla market and finish Christopher Columbus' New World rape job behind the smiling charismatic cardboard cutout O'Bama! It's the friggin net result whether intended or not.
Tolerance? Try solidarity with the people! Meanwhile REAL progressives know to "vote third party" in all our exchange/association. We know all people need land, water and food rights. O'Bama, cardboard servant to Chicago Commodity Conquisadors, does NOT understand!
In the above article, Robert Parry writes:
"What's less clear about the GOP convention is whether the Republicans are on to something, that perhaps the United States has crossed over into a post-rational society that cares little about facts and reality ..."
Yes, true -- and why don't Obama and the Democrats point that out?!!!
Instead, they are, as usual, only "somewhat better" than the Republicans.
Take what Joe Biden said recently on Fox News:
"What is true is the United States Congress is trying to preserve records on questions that relate to whether or not the law has been violated by anyone. But, you know, there's been an awful lot of unsavoury stuff that's gone on. And the mere fact … that it occurred in a previous administration doesn't mean [a subsequent] Justice Department, if, in fact, there's evidence, shouldn't pursue them."
Ah! Now at this point it sounds like, if elected, Obama-Biden will "pursue" the criminality that's been rampant in the Bush Administration. ... However, in the very next breath -- the very next breath -- Biden says:
"But I have no evidence of any of that. No one's talking about pursuing President Bush criminally."
Biden not only flip-flops; he has the cockeyed nerve to say that he "has no evidence" of Bush's criminality. No evidence! (Talk about cognitive dissonance!)
So what goes out as a headline is: "Obama Might Pursue Criminal Charges Against Bush Administration" (which is the exact headline of the story that I got this Biden quote from) http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/03/uselections2008.joebiden -- And that kind of headline gets people to thinking: "Hey, if elected, Obama-Biden might prosecute Bush and Company." ... Of course not only did Biden immediately backpedal, re. the above quote, but, as Senators, neither Biden nor Obama have called for impeachment, let alone criminal prosecution!
Moreover, Obama and Biden, along with the rest of the Democratic Party, have voted for EVERY SINGLE APPROPRIATION for the Iraq War, a total of $500 billion worth of death and destruction. ... Meaning: the Democratic Party knows damn well that if there ever *was* a criminal investigation of the Iraq War that they, too, would be criminally liable!
After all, it's been the Democratic Party -- at virtually every turn -- that's enabled Bush and Company to kill over a million Iraqis. See http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/01/31/6768/
The Democratic Party has also allowed the Bush Administration to blatantly subvert the Constitution, as well as to continue warring against an ever-shrinking middle class.
SO DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH WAITING FOR CRIMINALLY LIABLE POLITICIANS (DEMOCRATS) TO INVESTIGATE *OTHER* CRIMINALLY LIABLE POLITICIANS (REPUBLICANS).
That, and Santa Claus, ain't comin' 'round anytime soon, Virginia.
In short, the "doublespeak" and the "subversion of facts and reality" the Republicans practice is simply being aped by the Democrats.
Obama can win the Election IN A LANDSLIDE if he were to speak to the interests of the general population. Obviously he doesn't do this -- and for good reason! -- neither the Republican Party nor the Democratic Party speaks on behalf of the democratic interests of the many. Rather, the Republican-Democratic duopoly speaks on behalf of the oligarchic interests of the few.
Perhaps some crumbs will "trickle down" from the tables of the rich, as they sometimes do in "prosperous times" (prosperous of course only for those at the top). But, then again, CHANGE is a far better marketing slogan for Obama-Biden than LET THEM EAT CRUMBS.
Compare the electoral politics of the United States to other advanced industrial countries (AICs):
-- The United States stands alone among AICs in its underrepresentation of third party candidates.
-- Unlike most AICs, the United States does not have proportional representation.
-- Unlike other AICs, there has never been a major party in the United States that's represented labor.
-- The United States has the lowest voter turnout of all AICs. In any given presidential election, 45% to 55% of eligible voters don't vote! And even less vote in non-presidential elections.
And what allows all this to happen is the fact that the majority of the American public continues to be brainwashed into accepting T.I.N.A. -- the status quo-protecting notion that *T*here *I*s *N*o *A*lternative" to all this.
Or, put another way -- grin and bear it, as you slip further and further down the economic ladder.
And as long as that brainwashing is successful, as long as T.I.N.A. is alive, well and prospering, especially in a world of shrinking natural resources, the Republican-Democratic duopoly will keep on keeping on.
Buy into the con that "There Is No Alternative," and you're buying into exactly what the economic elite wants you to scruff up. ... Accept T.I.N.A. and the economic elite will continue to prosper in the future as they have in the past. In short: beyond their wildest dreams!
Yes, the economic elite will continue to prosper, but at the expense of the poor, at the expense of the middle class, and at the expense of the very planet we live on.
Consider the following ... There was more progressive legislation pass in the 1970s during the the Nixon Administration than there was in the 1990s during the Clinton Administration. ... And who is responsible for that dramatic lurch to the right?
... ANSWER: Those who are content to accept T.I.N.A. -- in this case, the status quo-protecting notion that there is no alternative to the two-party duopoly.
If you want to protect the status quo ... if you want to see the political consensus move further and further to the right ... if you don't mind slipping further and furtner down the economic ladder, then by all means vote for either of the corporatist candidates.
If not, cast a protest vote. Reject the two-party duopoly! Vote like a sane person.
Nader/Gonzalez '08!
"McCain spokesman Taylor Griffin said Palin's successes in getting earmarked funds "was one of the formative experiences that led her toward the reform-oriented stance that she has taken as her career has progressed."
That's just what I said to the judge - robbing banks was simply one of the formative experiences that led me towards the non-bank robbing stance I have taken as my career as a bank robber has progressed.
When I pointed out to a few so-called conservative acquaintances that Huckabee lied, they accused me of being a "liberal hater" because, you see, good ole Huck is an ordained Southern Baptist minister, and ordained SBMs don't lie! And neither do Mothers or Mavericks!!!
I'm struck by how the two parties react almost identically to criticism.
As said here, if you criticize the Republicans you are a 'liberal hater.' But if you criticize the Dems out here on this board, the Dems will immediately try to dismiss that as Democrat-bashing.
In neither case will you get any substantive discussion of issues. Just screams back that, oh out here for instance, try to claim that anyone critical of Obama is a McCain operative.
Scratch the surface on either party, and you find exactly the same intolerance to dissenting views, and a win-at-all-costs mentality that is perfectly willing to steamroller anyone who gets in there way.
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DEANG & JOZEF: Excellent comments.
GROUSEFEATHER: I wish I could believe in your happy ending fairy tale, but you forget something quite important: MANY democrats signed on for the Republican policies, validated bad bills, voted for military/defense inflated budgets and add-ons, and allowed the right wing Supreme Court justices to essentially court-martial justice. The press is the 4th estate and it's all about cheerleading for these policies which not only rape average Americans, but are a disaster to the world and global ecology. It's a lose: lose situation and the Democrats with rare exceptions have gone along.
That's why as much as I'd like to vote for Obama as lesser of evils, at this point I really don't think I can. Can the court get much worse? Can a foreign policy based on paying homage to the MIC be any worse? Either way the body count continues and oil flows in exchange for blood shed. NEITHER of the pre-selected candidates (although it's obvious which one has more intelligence and a POTENTIAL claim to a conscience & soul) is really adovcating anything remotely humane or forward thinking. It all just serves the same old monied caste.
I think the concluding sentence is on target. Since Reagan, right-wingers have relied on beliefs more than facts, even if their beliefs fly in the face of reality. I've heard right-wingers actually say, "Reagan proved that statistics and facts don't matter." And in a sense they're right. When you've got such control of the media that you can easily have lies repeated to the public over and over, the public will start to believe that the lies are true and come to accept belief over reality (and this was not done so extensively before Reagan). Welfare, for example - Americans now actually believe that welfare harms people. Or government social programs - Americans now actually believe that government social programs "don't work," something they didn't believe en masse before the country was Reaganized. You can add example after example. We have crossed a line, and the word falangism is appropriate.
Either the Republicans are the stupidest people on the planet or are collectively hiding one monster of an agenda. Bush's dreams really appealed to this group. It is frightening to see that Apple Pie America is still leading the charge into a world of future mayhem. But what do I know? I'm just one of the liberal establisment determined to bring this country to ruin due to my insistence on thinking and a belief that America is supposed to be a good country. Naive, I know. This split in the American psyche is amazing.
Pappy O"Daniel: "We need a shot in the arm. You hear me boys? In the bleepdamn arm! Election held tomorrw, that son of bitch Stokes would win it in a walk!"
Junior O'Daniel: "Well' he's the reform candidate, Daddy."
Pappy O"Daniel: "Yeah."
Junior O'Daniel: "A lot of people like that reform. Maybe we should get us some."
Pappy O"Daniel: "I'll reform you, you soft-headed son of a bitch. How we gonna run reform when we're the damn incumbent? Is that the best idea you boys can come up with? Reform?! Weepin' jesus on the cross. Thta's it! You may as well start drafting my concession speach right now."
Pappy's Staff: "Okay, Pappy."
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
So where are the soggy bottom boys when you need 'em?
We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
McSame is the Soggy Bottom Boy... when he forgets to have Palin change his Depends.
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
"I have to appreciate the Republicans' offensive moves ! They know Obama's main whine is about racism, so they'll steer completely clear of that . . . "
To expect the Repimplicans to steer clear of racism is like asking an alcoholic to turn down unlimited free drinks at his favorite bar. The Repimps are going to jackhammer Obama on his race. The strategies and code words they employ have yet to be fully revealed. The purpose will be to have every American (not just those of voting age) see Obama as some hip-hopping street thug dressed in baggy pants and a black hoodie with multiple handguns on his person and a copy of "The Invisible Man". The MSM, which desperately wants a McCain victory, will go along with this, employing their own tactics of ladies' and gentlemen's racism. We got a taste of this recently when a typical MSM type, Cokie Roberts, chastised Obama for going on vacation in an "exotic" locale like Hawaii. This after Pat Buchanan attached the same adjective to Obama. As I have absolutely no faith whatsoever in the majority of Americans waking up to what the Repimps have done to them, I expect these strategies to work and Obama to be defeated. And in the year 2012, when Americans will have not just one but two thumbs up their asses and wonder why things are so much worse than they were in 2008, they'll vote for Jeb Bush after a 76 year old McCain retires after one term to spend more time with his family.
I would suggest you are wrong about the race thing. In the first place most Americans don't really care anymore and even if they did they would react negatively to those kind of attacks.
I believe they will go after him where he is most vulnerable. With the best spin in the world he has a paper thin resume and little experience in governing. Supporters may not like it, but thats the truth. ( this can be shunted aside by the fact that you may not need it to lead)
Next they will attack him on his associations. think we have heard the last of Rev. Wright? Father Stupid? Seen the last of the picture of Ayers trampling the American flag underfoot? Meeks? Frank? Chicago Annenberg challenge? Woods foundation? I expect them to go after him hammer and tongs about this stuff.
That is odd. You posted a while ago that the liberal media loved Obama. Now they will attack his "paper thin" resume. First in his class Harvard Law School makes a world-class decision-maker out of anyone. C'mon Palin, mcCain, Dubya, and Cheney are no match for Obama's leadership skills. Give me a break. No experience.
When Dubya ran for offfice, the "liberal media" gave him a free pass for his utter lack of success in anything. He only won the Gov's mansion in TEX b-cuz Pa's pals put him there and then carried him to the finish line of mediocrity.
It took Palin 6 years and 4 colleges to get a degree. Obama could run circles around her in terms of analysis. Plus, Obama's international perspective gives him more levels of awareness for foreign policy and diplomacy by his minority (African roots) nature.
Not the media...the Republicans will attack it.
In all fairness, "First in his class Harvard Law School makes a world-class decision-maker out of anyone" I simply can't buy. It makes a good attorney.
You got W right.
I don't know that at all. Working and a mother will slow you down and you go where you can.
For some reason when I say something that I see as truth about how something appears or what my analysis of something is, if it doesn't fall into the approved opinion some think I am defending whoever....or attacking whoever...when all I am doing is saying what I see.
If I have a definite opinion I'll say so like I did about Bill Ayers. Thats my opinion of him. Ardee doesn't agree with me, no problem, thats his viewpoint.
Why am I defending Obama???? Heading the Law Review certainly fills the bill as far as that decision making stuff, dontcha think?
You can opine all you like, but you cannot make shit up....well you can of course.
We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
You must be kidding,right? Perhaps you just dont get out much? Racism is alive and well in this nation, sad to say, and not limited to selected geographic locales either.
However I do agree that, in public at least, the GOP will continue to attack Senator Obama on those vulnerabilities you cite. I wish he hadnt deserted Reverend Wright the way he did though, especially after a twenty odd year association. He should have had the guts to explain to white America the nuances of Black Liberation Theology and the way it seeks to raise up those downtrodden by so many ,many years of slavery, segregation, separatism and inequality.
Further I think that picture of Bill Ayers, taken many decades ago and not at all reflective of his maturation and community service since, is an easily confronted shibboleth as well. All it takes is the courage not to be railroaded by the despicable who use anything and everything to win.
" I much prefer a man who burns the flag and wraps himself in the constitution to one who burns the constitution and wraps himself in the flag." Craig Washington, former Texas State Legislator
It is rather sad to see the state of our political discourse, especially as it tends to bring such as Bush/Cheney to power. If Barack Obama is worthy of your vote then he should have the backbone to stand up and defend his associations in the light of reason and truth. If he runs as did both Gore and Kerry, a bad habit peculiar to democrats it would seem, then he deserves to lose the damn election.
We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
"You must be kidding,right? Perhaps you just dont get out much? Racism is alive and well in this nation, sad to say, and not limited to selected geographic locales either."
Nope not kidding at all. Racism is nowhere near the problem it used to be. Not for a minute would I suggest that its gone. It will always be here. But in the white community at least in the South and West, its not that big a problem Can't speak for up North. Niot long ago a black guy was posting his experiences in Pittsburg I think it was, describing white flight. Something we had 40 years ago and sure don't now.
I suspect we just disagree on the amount. I would point out that without white votes early on Obama would have been dead in the water. Thatys at least an indicator I'd say.
As a portion of race I'd tell you with no doubt in my mind that black racism far, far outpaces white racism at this point. Though a professor at UT suggested to me that it could easily be class rather than race at this point.
I have to go back and reread BLT to be sure about it.
As to Ayers, no matter what he has done since, I simply don't cotton to terroists. And that is exactly what he and his wife were. No question about it.
I think that flag pic was from 1992, but it won't make any difference when they use it. Its very powerful imagery. Wouldn't you agree?
"It is rather sad to see the state of our political discourse"
Brother do we agree. I'm hoping that Obama and McCain can pull us back up somewhat by just refusing to use personal attacks. I agree if he will stand up and answer these things he can win, run and he will lose. I saw an article, didn't read it, but the premise was..."maybe the Democrats should stop selecting attorney's" There may be a point there.
Be well
Bill and Bernie paid the price for their misguided efforts and your continued condemnation of the people they are now is unfair and far too Bush-like for my tastes. I do not know your age, but I am old enough to have been on the front lines of that struggle,along side Pigasis in Chicago in fact, and quite near to Bill and Bernie as well. We all thought revolution imminent and necesary, but what does one expect from twenty somethings? The exemplary way they have both lived their lives since those difficult and challenging times makes your continued condemnations seem rather puzzling, or do you not subscribe to punishment, rehabilitation and forgiveness?
Bill has taught at University of Chicago, has worked with inner city kids and received a commendation for his years of service from Mayor Daley ( hardly a revolutionary himself). I havent seen either of them in almost a decade now but Ill certainly pass on your good wishes when next we correspond.
We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
I personally was in Viet Nam art the time. Bill Ayers never paid any price that I knew of. I believe the charges were dismissed. Even his wife got away with her involvement in the robberies and the murder of those three men with a few months in prison.
Freedom fighters my ass. No one throwing bombs at my family in an act of domestic terroism is my hero or my friend. A terroist is a terroist no matter what kind of bull he'd care to spout.
Bush like. Sorry my friend, but I simply view this guy as a coward that wanted to push his political views by violence. And I was an adult at the time so I can tell you, yes, there was a lot of uncertainty and differing views at the time. But other than a very few hundred extremists that were willing to kill for their "cause" the rest of us muddle'd through.
Want to celebrate Bernies cry of "sticking a fork in her belly again." I remember that very well and it still sickens me.
Your defence of these murderers and your apparent acceptence and approval of their violence is disturbing to me.
He is unrepentant as far as I can tell so why would I feel he should be forgiven.
I see that one cannot get behind your unreasoning hatred so I will not try, but the use of the word 'unreasoning' is precise. Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dhoern are not your enemies, Bush, Cheney, Halliburton,Exxon-Mobil, General Dynamics et al are certainly far more harmful to this nation that ever were those two, and the many, many who believed as they did in those early times of the new American revolution.
By the by your facts are as slanted as your words are hating. Years of living underground was certainly a harsh price to pay. They killed noone by the by. The picture was not 1992, I believe, those killed included one woman, and noone in the Weather Underground was going to throw bombs at your family. Every target selected was inanimate and had political or military implications. Please refrain from getting carried away and turning into another Karl Rove, one is certainly enough.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers
We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
One man's terrorist is another man's fredom fighter. Did Ayers ever massacre babies or bomb civilians? That is what the US military was doi9ng in theVietnam war Ayers was trying to stop by extreme means.
It is no different than anti-abortion people bombing Planned Parenthood in my book, unless you have info that Ayers killed people. I do not agree with violence so both are wrong, but to automatically label Ayers a terrorist and calling Obama on it is overstating it, unless we call out anti-abortionists for collaborating with terrorists too.
Did you miss the "uppity" comment from a Georgia Rep yesterday? That's classic racism, alive and well, as are the "exotic" comments, and to some extent the charge of "elitism."
I'm sick and tired of people acting like being intelligent and well-educated is somehow a negative quality. It smacks of jealousy more than anything else.
It galls me that McCain's speech last night didn't mention the REAL problems facing this country. Just platitudes and happy talk and "Be afraid." How many times did he mention that he was a POW? And just how does that qualify (or disqualify) him as President? Understandably, he didn't mention that he screwed off in college enough that he probably wouldn't have graduated without the family legacy, let alone gotten into Annapolis in the first place. Or that his version of "family values" included dumping his first wife because she wasn't as pretty once she'd had a near fatal car accident while waiting for him to be released?
Frankly, after the last 8 years that have been brought to us by someone who actually IS of the elite class, I'd just like to see someone smart in the WH, someone got there with a top notch education and the grades to prove he actually absorbed something from it. Someone who understands what it means to work hard to achieve goals, and someone who realizes that not everyone has that silver spoon or a rich wife.
As far as the problem of selecting attorneys, just look where W's MBA has gotten us. Maybe if he'd had a better understanding of the law, he wouldn't have had to rely on the likes of John Yoo and Gonzo.
just look where W's MBA has gotten us. Maybe if he'd had a better understanding of the law, he wouldn't have had to rely on the likes of John Yoo and Gonzo.
Good point. But I'm still convinced the Shrub got his MBA by mailorder.
I have an MS (Cum Laude in my BA!) I just dont go around telling everyone all the time and acting like I know what is "best for the masses".Higher ed. is great. I think it should be free (state universities) for everyone who can make it. The problem with constantly boasting about it, is that, everyone who is inthe govt right now is , basically , very well educated! Where has that gotten us? I only lament the constant talk of "the uneducated, unwashed masses" becuase 1)it divides us and 2)it creates "Reaganesque " voters. (Obama complimenting him so much did not help a thing!)Education--good. Using it to help people who need education , rather than crappingon them--PRICELESS!
Racism is alive and well, in some parts of the uS. On others, it is reduced to a footnote. But, the stats about the primary should tel yu that it is not he main issue on most peoples' minds. The turnout in "almost al white " iowa, was huge for Obama! Even in West Virginia, or Ky. (which many people decried as "evidence of racism among poor whites"--good way to divide us up, right? Then they have us where they want us)only 1 in 5 said that race was a factor in thei rvote. Assuming a few are lying (why??) say, one in 4.To northern people, etc. this may not sound like progress. If you had ben in Appalachia a couple decades aqo--you would say , that means that 75% of "lily white" states (no insult intended to non-racists there)feel race is no longer a big factor. Great? No. Better? Hell yes! He got enormous numbers of voters in states that, 20 yrs ago, would not even have thought about it.That is why it IS historical.We have a ways to go. But to continue to claim that people who are having problems supporting aobama , that it is still based on race, is insulting to most pepole in this country. The GOP talks in code some. Most people ar aware of it, by now.It wont work, with most people. tacking poor whites and minorities against each other is an old tactic , mostly used by conservatives. The prob. with it is, if you call soneone a racist, they can say "Yep so what?" or "I am not!" and youve insulted them. If you blast it at one segment of pop. (ie poor whites), they feel like a target and dont bother to vote. Its just not productive.
Obama is currently given sole credit for the taped interrogations/confessions bill, but if you look back at actual 2003 news articles you'll see that other people are given credit. Rep Monique Davis (the freak who hates atheists) was the House Sponsor of the bill, and Gov Blagojevich signed it into law. Davis is the one who is given most of the credit. Why is it that I can't find, even in the Illinois newspapers, any significant mention of Obama for this matter ?
I have to appreciate the Republicans' offensive moves ! They know Obama's main whine is about racism, so they'll steer completely clear of that and totally divert the attention to other matters. And look what has already happened, the rabid Obama groupies on Kos and other sites have already been foaming at the mouth with salacious stories about Palin's alleged faked pregnancy. Yah, "drill baby drill" was scary, but conspiracy pregnancy theories are hardly better.
Obama's pick of Biden was his biggest mistake, perhaps fatal. Biden had FIVE DEFERMENTS during the Viet Nam war ! As many as Cheney had ! You know this issue is going to come up, and it's no doubt one of the reasons why McCain took the time to describe his experience as a POW. I did not know the full story, I have to admit I was moved by it. He's not a hero because he was captured, he's a hero because he refused his captors' offer of release because he knew other men should have been released before him. That takes a hell of a lot of courage.
Democrats want to lose. That's why Biden was picked. That's why Obama voted FISA, and why he promises to INCREASE both the military budget and troops in Afghanistan. They want to kick off the progressive hangers-on (maybe 5 or 6%) because the duopoly knows full well:
If Obama wins, the party will have to stand stark naked in the light. Can't have that! It will end the duopoly's firm grip on the American political process. Obama will not change anything for the better and I think we all know that by now. And there will be no one left to blame with Repubs in the minority - although the duopoly is genius at designing excuses for themselves. And they know most progressives will swallow it.
Better for the Dems to help get McCain elected and then BLAME those of us - Nader, McKinney - who just couldn't stomach voting for another fascist leaning candidate. After over forty years of voting for Dems and getting nothing in return, I finally get their message: GO AWAY!
PREDICTION: McCain will win. I will be vilified, maligned, marginalized ... again for refusing to go along. "Obama never got the chance!" they will rail. The left will be further divided between the tag-along Democrats and those of us who are now supporting other parties or independents. Obama will get an attractive promotion for his role and the empire will move ahead.
Vote Nader, 08!
I don't think Dems want to lose. They embrace right wing policies because they are basically slightly left of center Republicans themselves. They don't represent us, they represent the same powers that be the Pugs represent.
In order for Obama (who desperately wants to win) to get elected he must demonstrate he will faithfully carry out the policies favored by the establishment. These policies including militarism, imperialism and becoming a police state. They want to greatly diminish social programs and the few we'll have will be administered by religious organizations.
It's not that Dems want to lose, it's that they are basically no different from Republicans with a few exceptions like Dennis Kucinch, who has no effect on policy and serves as a fig leaf.
So, in other words, there is no hope to change the rotten system...
There is ONLY hope. One may hope that well intentioned but misled democrats like you will understand that it is not an issue of dem vs. repub but of the people vs. the corporations that own our government. When good folks, as I believe you to be, realise that the solution is not Obama, not McCain, but a complete revising of our system of elections and governance that removes the power of money from the process and replaces it with the power of the people..
I believe that one day you will understand that it is only by working to bring a third party presence to the government, a party pledged to avoid all corporate funding, whose elected politicians will not seek to retire as six and seven figure lobbyists, that will restore the thrust of our government to caring for its own citizenry.
We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Thanks for the kind words ardee. I do realize that part of the solution is a complete revising of our system of elections and governance that removes money and corps. I also believe that a parliamentary system would improve things---where small parties can join coalitions and leave them if their interests are not met...
If we had that system, I would vote Green in a heartbeat. But as it stands now, it's winner take all. I'm voting for Obama because of the two parties who WILL govern us for the next four years, I see the Dem. party as far superior.
I don't believe we would've gone to war in Iraq if Gore were in office these last 8 years---and that alone is a vast improvement. Not to mention environmental policy, Justices, gov't regulation, and authoritarian nationalism...
These are not small differences!
But I do have an irrational hatred for the republican animal, and not for Democrats---so I guess I do buy into the whole charade somewhat...
I do appreciate honesty, thanks for it....Now if you can use your inate honesty and basic integrity to join us in our struggle to end the Duopoly.....well, mores the better!
We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Change can only come by sheer force of the American people. Obama, McCain, Pelosi, Bush .... all of them work for the same corporations. It's called fascism. You don't fight that by withholding information like many on the left are doing. Take a look at articles here on Common Dreams. Barely a mention of the millions of innocents killed - children - in this illegal war. Why? Because Obama promises more of the same. They don't want to spoil his chances. They'd rather not talk about it. It's an ugly time.
Turn on television and you can see how the corporations sell items. Can you see the folksy, often rather progressive feel to some of the ads? It sells products. The duopoly is doing this with the electorate. It's all a sales pitch, both parties, both corrupt, both in collusion with the other party to keep it going. Fascism.
You make good points Hank. Unfortunately the "sheer force of the American people" is directed to vote for "American Idol" and issues surrounding the presidential elections have been sorely muted. It is the media, and their paymasters... and yes it's an ugly time.
I've gotten rid of my television for just that reason.
If they "choose to lose", it must be because they know the country is in the biggest shit mess since the 1930s and they want someone else to clean up their own mess for a change. "Not much money, ew, but honey--aint we go t fun?!"
Change begins in your living room. If you look to Washington you will drown in disappointment. Change yourself if you can.
This is a typical blog: Don't look to Obama as savior and change yourself...etc. What is this supposed to mean during an election year? Give politicians a pass on their horrible record (like Obama's record of the funding war) and just vote for him anyway and change myself? That will make it all better?
Changing myself will end the illegal/immoral occupation and bring Bush to justice? Gee I had no idea it was that simple. Thanks.
Why should any one who cares about children care if there is an anti-Obama or anti-McCain hate fest?
Obama will kill more children in Afghanistan and Pakistan, continuing the Bush tradition and McCain will do the same as Obama.
Obama also wants to off-shore dirll, and if does not get his oil that way, he'll be just as ready to slaughter as McCain. And then he'll get the victims of rape and pillage to pay for the privelage of being raped and pillage. Did you all listen to his interview with O'Rielly? Him and O'Rielly are going to Iraq to collect the bill, why? 'Cause Iraq has a surplus. Any half-way decent human being would throw up on Obama/McCain.
The choices for half-way decent human Americans:
a. Don't Vote
If you insist on voting:
b. Vote for Nader and/or McKiney
http://almusawwir.org/resistance/
Well said musawwir!
Both candidates promise more KILLING OF INNOCENTS. What more do we need to know? The wars are illegal by US law and constitutional law and we all know that. Why would anyone, especially a progressive thinker, support a candidate who promises to continue illegal, unconstitutional wars? Weird.
Why are progressives mostly silent about the illegality of these military aggressions?
I know: They don't want to spoil the chances of the Democrats.
Why don't progressives have any teeth left?
Answer: The Democrat Party kicked them all out. Now all they can do is beg and harbor delusions.