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US Had 'Frighteningly Simplistic' View of Afghanistan, says McChrystal
General who led Obama's 'surge' strategy says even now the military does not have the local knowledge to end the conflict
One of America's most celebrated generals has issued a harsh indictment of his country's campaign in Afghanistan on the 10th anniversary of the invasion to topple the Taliban.
Stanley McChrystal said the US and Nato were only 50% of the way to achieving their goals in Afghanistan. Photograph: Pablo Martinez Monsivais/AP The US began the war with a "frighteningly simplistic" view of Afghanistan, the retired general Stanley McChrystal said, and even now the military lacks sufficient local knowledge to bring the conflict to an end.
The US and NATO are only "50% of the way" towards achieving their goals in Afghanistan, he told the Council on Foreign Relations.
"We didn't know enough and we still don't know enough. Most of us, me included, had a very superficial understanding of the situation and history, and we had a frighteningly simplistic view of recent history, the last 50 years."
McChrystal led the Obama administration's "surge" strategy that started in 2009 and sent US troop levels in Afghanistan to more than 100,000. Widely acknowledged as a gifted military commander, he was forced to resign last year amid controversy over remarks he made to Rolling Stone magazine.
The 10th anniversary of the war, marked on Friday, has prompted sober reflection in the US about a conflict that has passed Vietnam as the military's longest war.
Just over 2,750 foreign troops have been killed – 28% of them in Helmand – while between 14,000 and 18,000 civilians have died as a result of fighting, according to various estimates.
Yet although the US entered Afghanistan to hunt down Osama bin Laden and topple the Taliban, its most prominent targets quickly slipped across the border into Pakistan.
The al-Qaida leader was discovered in Abbottabad, north of Islamabad, last May, while the Taliban have used remote border bases in Pakistan's tribal areas to launched a stiff resurgence.
In his comments on Thursday night, McChrystal also indirectly criticized the Bush administration's decision to invade Iraq in 2003, saying it made success in Afghanistan more difficult to achieve. The invasion "changed the Muslim world's view of America's effort", he said.
"When we went after the Taliban in Afghanistan in 2001, there was a certain understanding that we had the ability and the right to defend ourselves and the fact that al-Qaida had been harbored by the Taliban was legitimate. I think when we made the decision to go into Iraq that was less legitimate [in the eyes of the Muslim world]."
The 10th anniversary has also been marked in downbeat fashion in Afghanistan where talk of US-driven "nation building" has largely evaporated. Despite $57bn in international aid since 2001, aid agencies say most people remain mired in deep poverty.
"There has been some important progress, especially in urban areas," said Anne Garella of Acbar, an umbrella group of 111 foreign and local aid agencies. "But our research highlights the gap behind positive rhetoric and grim reality."
An Acbar study found that 80% of Afghans now have access to health services compared with 9% in 2001. The number of children in school has rocketed from barely one million a decade ago, 5,000 of them girls, to seven million today, one third of whom are girls.
But Afghanistan still has been some of the world's worst health indicators due to shoddy facilities, conflict and official corruption.
Afghans have grown highly skeptical of western aid over the years, with a widespread perception – partly well founded – that much of the money finds its way back to western countries through security costs and inflated expatriate wages.
But the greatest worry for most Afghans now is the consequence of the US drawdown planned for the end of 2014, which will see the vast majority of 150,000 foreign troops leave the country.
The American plan is to hand power to the shaky Karzai-led government, which is plagued by corruption and enjoys diminishing credibility. McChrystal said that building a legitimate government that ordinary Afghans believed in, and which could serve as a counterweight to the Taliban, was among the greatest challenges facing US forces.
Efforts are under way to bolster the government's authority. NATO says it will have trained 325,000 Afghan soldiers by January 2015, and the US is likely to continue financial support, although exact levels have yet to be decided.
But rising ethnic and political tensions could destabilize the country before then. And plans to bring the Taliban to peace talks were hit by the assassination of Karzai's main peace envoy, Burhanuddin Rabbani, last month.

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Show All{"We didn't know enough and we still don't know enough. Most of us, me included, had a very superficial understanding of the situation and history, and we had a frighteningly simplistic view of recent history, the last 50 years." }
reminds me of daniel ellsberg's understanding of the US role in vietnam around 1970. the fact is that many americans understood very clearly, from the beginning that the impending war in afghanistan was a disaster waiting to happen, as usual their voices were drowned out by the patriotic war-mongers.
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Why the Pentagon Papers matter now -
While we go on waging unwinnable wars on false premises, the Pentagon papers tell us we must not wait 40 years for the truth
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/jun/13/pentagon-papers-daniel-ellsberg
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http://www.ellsberg.net/
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all imperial wars are inherently over simplistic and immoral. bush/obama and their minions all should be arrested and placed on trial at the ICC in the hague for violating human rights, and murdering 100,000's of innocents.
...peace...
The Taliban will be giving up just like the Viet Cong did back in the 60/70's...
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The Viet Cong run Vietnam just like the Taliban will be running Afghanistan after the AmeriKKKan congress remove the money to wage an illegal and unwinable occupation..
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None of the rich people have their kids dying....
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I hope all the 3/4/5 star Generals get their pensions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The lesson the military industrial media complex learned from the end of the Viet Nam occupation was that when a war or occupation ends their revenue stream slows or dries up.
IrAfPak is not a 10, 20 or 30 year occupation, it is an eternal occupation to assure an eternal revenue stream for the military industrial media complex.
Obama's super catfood commission will gut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid to provide more funds for the war profiteers.
raydelcamino,
excellent point....
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Political Economy of U.S. Militarism - Ismael Hossein-zadeh
http://www.amazon.com/Political-Economy-Militarism-Ismael-Hossein-zadeh/dp/1403972850
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...peace...
THANKS GENERAL, BETTER LATE THAN NEVER.
Its all about the the Unocal pipeline, always has been.
What a private group of corporations could not get , turned into a US black ops on 9/11, DHS police state take over of our country to the tune of billions, an invasion Afghanistan, a war in Iraq. Its simple to start an legal wars, just go after the CIA trained agent that has decided to protect his country from greedy SOBs.
"Since the pipeline was to pass through Afghanistan, it was necessary to work with the Taliban. The U.S. ambassador to Pakistan, Robert Oakley, moved into CentGas in 1997. In January 1998, the Taliban, selecting CentGas over Argentinian competitor Bridas Corporation, signed an agreement that allowed the proposed project to proceed. In June 1998, Russian Gazprom relinquished its 10% stake in the project. On 7 August 1998, American embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam were bombed under the direction of Osama bin Laden, and all pipeline negotiations halted, as the Taliban's leader, Mohammad Omar, announced that Osama bin Laden had the Taliban's support. Unocal withdrew from the consortium on 8 December 1998, and soon after closed its offices in Afghanistan and Pakistan. "
"The new deal on the pipeline was signed on 27 December 2002 by the leaders of Turkmenistan, Afghanistan and Pakistan.[7] In 2005, the Asian Development Bank submitted the final version of a feasibility study designed by British company Penspen. ‘Since the US-led offensive that ousted the Taliban from power,’ reported Forbes in 2005, "the project has been revived and drawn strong US support" as it would allow the Central Asian republics to export energy to Western markets "without relying on Russian routes" "
As soon as we leave Afghanistan , the natural order of the country's leadership will take over, so we will have to be there 100 years, till all the old guard is dead and new generations of brainwashed people take over.
My apologies to John Mccain, you were correct when you said we have to be in Afghanistan for 100 years, thing is Mr. Mccain , American tax payers should not pay to secure a private company's pipeline to the tune of trillions of dollars, black ops 9/11 style extortion, bankers profiteering wars, creating terrorist (freedom fighters) enemy's who are protecting their sovereign nation and most importantly
" LIVING UNDER A VEIL OF FEAR CREATED FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE TO DESTROY OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES, USING THE DHS,TSA, AND THE PATRIOT ACTS, TO STOP US FROM FINDING OUT THE TRUTH AND PUTTING AN END TO THIS CORPORATE HIJACKING OF OUR COUNTRY AND MILITARY MIGHT."
WE WONT SHUT UP AND BEND OVER, WE ARE GOING TO FIRE YOU ALL, OR THROW YOU IN PRISON FOR EXTORTION.
re: "LIVING UNDER A VEIL OF FEAR CREATED FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE TO DESTROY OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES, USING THE DHS,TSA, AND THE PATRIOT ACTS, TO STOP US FROM FINDING OUT THE TRUTH"
All so a few rich oil magnates can just get richer and richer. To them, it's all been worth it.
These oil companies would place 1 human in a meat grinder for each minute that they could reap the profits of their oil extraction (and essentially this is exactly what they have been doing), if that's the choice they're given. You don't become a billionaire (or a general who defends their interests) unless you are a sociopath. That should be understood as an axiom.
As long as the American people keep voting in the same people from the two major political parties, we will continue to fight our wars. Wars generate profits to the people who fund the campaigns of those who start and keep those wars going. As Barack Obama has shown us, it makes no difference which party is in power, however I believe the Democrats are willing to expand our fighting faster than the Republicans. As least that is what has happened under the "leadership" of President Obama.
Bush started 2 major wars. Obama started 0 major wars. What you 'believe' is contrary to fact.
Greg,
Let us simply say that the system (financial interests) started the wars..President Obama works for the system..His job, as an employee, is to continue the wars started by the same system President Bush worked for (another employee).....
Actually it is really one war of aggression conducted on several fronts...
Thomas Gilbert-
Well said.
I'm always a bit surprised when people try to defend Obama, who has wholeheartedly embraced and extended all of Bush's nefarious policies, by saying "He didn't start it!"
John,
What you say is absolutely true..The war of imperial expansion has been going on for a long time. It did not start in Afghanistan...American imperial interests (or, as our friend Alan would put it,..empire) have been creating havoc in multiple parts of the world for years.
This is the American way.....What you don't have..take it from others.
Rather sad, is it not?
Thomas Gilbert-
Well said.
Obama continued 2 major wars, intensifying one (Afghanistan) and "drawing down" the other (Iraq) by replacing troops with mercenaries -- contrary to campaign pledges -- and has similarly intensified low-scale pushbutton wars in an ample handful of other countries (Pakistan, Sudan, Somalia, etc.)
And he has ramped up the bombing in Yemen, launched air strikes in Somalia, Pakistan, oh and what was that other thing...what was it...can't seem to remember...hmm, tip of my tongue....OH YEAH LIBYA!!!
First off, get real, the US has ALWAYS done stuff similar to what you mention. My point is that STARTING a major war or TWO is far different than smaller actions, and ending a war has always been far more difficult than starting one.
Change we can believe in . . . right?
So it's just too hard for Obama to end any of these wars? The only thing he can reasonably be expected to do is continue them forever. He didn't start the war in Afghanistan, so if he chooses to intensify and prolong it indefinitely, he shouldn't be so harshly judged.
The only thing that matters to you about these unending, wasteful, criminal wars is who starts them? Obama is the fucking president, for chrissakes, be he's just too powerless to stop wars! You don't make a lot of sense.
Well said.
Didn't Obama start a war in Libya? And what about the drone wars in Pakistan and in Yemen? And then there is the war on the US public. Obama likes war as much as Bush did. Sadly. In 2012, vote for anyone who is NOT Democrat and and NOT Republican. You can at least express dislike of both war parties.
Hello bornfreemen,
McCain was wrong. The US will not be around in 20 years as it is currently structured. It will self-destruct before then. Will it survive 10 years maybe. Will it survive 5 years possibly. What does survive will not be interested in anything but fixing the rubble that has remained from the current clusterfuck. As for General Stanley McChrystal I can only say that the delusion of being at the halfway point is a fantasy. If we are still fighting then the next delusional General in charge will say we are at 50% or more and we have to "stay the course". Simple solution - just leave it is the only way to declare victory.
Isn't McChrystal the guy running murder squads in Iraq? Why would anyone want to get advice from, or hear the opinions of, such a man? His skill is that he knows how to organize hit squads to murder people in their homes at night.
Yes. McChrystal got his start running torture/death camps (google "Camp Nama") and played a major part in the Pat Tillman coverup (Colon Bowel must be so proud). McChrystal belongs on the dock at The Hague.
Changed just slightly, “McChrystal said that building a legitimate government that ordinary [Americans] believed in, and which could serve as a counterweight to the [Capitalists], was the greatest challenges facing US [citizens].”
Our soldiers are definitely fighting the wrong war.
Today is a personal anniversary for me. Oct 7, 2004 was the day of my Sentencing in Court. I had been told to get my affairs in order and to be prepared to go to prison. Here is a link to my words as I spoke them to the Judge.
http://www.pressaction.com/news/weblog/full_article/jackowski10112004/
eloquent words of truth.... thank you for sharing the link and for your commitment to peace and social justice.
"As individual citizens, we all have rights and responsibilities. I believe that it is the responsibility of all citizens to resist any government, anywhere, anytime, when that government is slaughtering civilians. I, and many other protesters that I know, would gladly spend the rest of our lives in prison, if only the U.S. would stop bombing civilians."
simple truth...
...peace...
Thanks for pointing that out -- I'm now checking out your Web presence and reading your previous articles. Very impressive!
Thank you Iowablackbird and corvo... My book titled BANNED IN VERMONT has recently been published. All reviews have been good, but the book has been banned in some places. It can be ordered from Amazon or The Northshire Book Store. In the next edition, I will acknowledge anyone who succeeds in getting the book in the collection of any public library or school library.
Thanks for your support.
Thank you for your courageous efforts to end our government's atrocities.
The United States is not the brightest nation on earth and in fact their real claim to fame has always been their willingness to engage in mass slaughters for little or no reason inspiring fear in third world countries. They are so dumb they think they can colonize a country like Afghanistan with their drones and a hundred thousand troops and one hundred thousand contractors but they are losing and will end up coming home only after having spent a fortune going nowhere. I have always rooted against them in their mindless massacres and I wish their enemies well.
The United $tates of Perpetual War Profteering wll NOT $urvive 10 more years of war (invasion and occupation and drone mass murders) in Afghanistan-NAM... and Iraq-NAM, Yemen-NAM, Western Pak-a-nuke-NAM, Lybia-NAM Somali-NAM, etc. Amerika's ruling class had better start worrying about open rebellion, general $trikes and guerrilla warfare birthing a civil war here at home. There is a seething rrrage percolating across the nation's hinterlands, and that rrrage wants a pound of flesh from a rapaciously grrreeeeeeedy ruling class elite. Even worse... the rrrage wants to roast that flesh over the flames of burning mansions.
PNAC:
The US and NATO are only "50% of the way" towards achieving their goals in Afghanistan.
The US and NATO always were only "50% of the way" towards achieving their goals in Afghanistan.
The US and NATO always will be only "50% of the way" towards achieving their goals in Afghanistan.
Unless the goal is perpetual war, in which case they're achieving their goals 100%.
Screw the warmongers. Demand an end to their wars for profit.
Welcome to the "Graveyard of Empires".
We the people have lost our Republic serving the Criminal Elites quest for Global dominance.
Time for a citizens occupation and overthrow of the Criminal US Government.
That's right boys and girls, your superiors only need ten more years of their bloodlust. Then they will have had enough. They are like a morbidly obese people who say they will take 'just one more...'.
NEVERENDING WAR = PERMANENT PROFITS =EXTREME LUNACY
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The military industrial complex needs to be shut down permanently. It's time to wage peace, as Dennis Kucinich and many others have and are suggesting!! That day is coming sooner than most imagine. The power will shift from the oligarchy and into the hands of the people, because it is time for that and because people are so sick and tired - even here in the USA, that they starting to wake up & get up!
More blood for megayachts and private jets
"the military lacks sufficient local knowledge to bring the conflict to an end"
That's easy - just pack up and leave.
Yeah, but it is not easy to leave all those MIC war profits; all those CIA poppy fields; all the potential profits from the proposed TAPI pipeline ect..
Your ass, general. We are not down with your goddamn war. You got a big surprise coming, general.
" The U.S. and NATO are only 50% of the way towards acheiving their goals in Afghanistan". General McChrystal.
Translation: The war profiteers are only 50% of the way towards acheiving their projected profit goals in Afghanistan!
Going back to the 1991 invasion, we only need 96 more years of war to match the Hundred Years war of 1337 to 1453.
Cynics would trace our current war all the way back to the CIA's installation of Saddam Hussein and the Shah of Iran.
I'm particularly bothered by the military's assumption that we can pay drug kingpins to run Afghanistan and thereby achieve a modern, stable democracy. I'd rather expect to see the creation of millions of civilian heroin addicts under the kingpins' rule, which is what has happened.
("the military lacks sufficient local knowledge to bring the conflict to an end")
If the military lacks sufficient local knowledge to end a conflict, then it certainly lacked sufficient local knowledge to start one--which prompts me to ask, General, where was your brilliant military-mind hiding ten years ago?
Why are we listening to the same rhetoric here as in Vietnam? Fairly early in the Vietnam war, some were saying, "Yeah, we should never have gotten involved in Vietnam, but since we are there, we have to stay the course."
Over 58,000 dead Americans, over a million dead Vietnamese, and a ravaged, poisoned country later, we were driven out of Vietnam. We had had the course.
When that war was over, the MICC could still count on profits, preparing to fight the Russian Boogeyman. When the CCCP went down, they were faced with such things as having to go back to making refrigerators, stoves and toasters.
"My God!" said the MICC, "Where is the profit in that? A guy buys a refrigerator or stove and he keeps it for twenty years. A guy buys a thousand pound bomb and boom, he buys another! That's real profit!"
The Project for a New American Century was put forward, a project designed to eventually control the world through finance and endless war. They pretty well had their ducks lined up. All they needed was "another Pearl Harbor" to suck the people into the plan and gain support. 9/11 anyone?
If you have a little bit of time, check these links to get the details. Their "Statement of Principles" is signed by the architects. Read those signatures. Do any names stand out to you?
http://www.newamericancentury.org/
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm
It doesn't make any difference to them if the US wins or loses. Either way it is a win-win situation for the MICC. If we stay, they get billions to supply the troops. If we lose, they get billions making new weapons for our revenge.
If the US disintegrates, it only provides cheap labor for their factories and more cannon fodder for the wars. They are firmly based with their billions and trillions in places such as Switzerland, the land of secret banks.
If Occupy Wall Street spreads around the nation and the 99% really go after the 1%, we will quickly gain first hand knowledge of US tanks in the streets, drones overhead, US and NATO troops, armed and deadly. The KBR no-bid concentration camps will begin to fill with those who stand up to them and live. Remember, the United States of America is now a wholly owned subsidiary of the United Corporations of America, Ltd, and will do what it is ordered to do.
Who knows, this might be the catharsis that America needs, to snap out of it and realize that life is more than hoarded gold and money in the bank. Perhaps some of the virtues of empathy and compassion will begin to surface and we can begin to build a world of peace and understanding.
Unfortunately, I see a lot of blood in the streets, starvation, sickness and homelessness before that happens. It may well prove worth it. Nazi Germany eventually went down, so there is hope.
If someone is poking you in the eye and they hand the stick to someone else, who continues poking you in the eye, you would find little difference between them, no matter who started poking you in the first place.
And if you are getting poked in the eye you really don't care what their explanations, reasons or justifications are.
We don't have 10 more years of war funding. The government has been robbed of all they're going to get out of it. There's nothing more left in the bank vault to rob.
Fighting a war without the resources to fight a war is a hallucination.
As the official narrative goes, we went to war in Afghanistan because of what Al-Qaida did to us on 9/11. This official narrative is used again and again to justify war. "We have to be in Afghanistan because of 9/11." Yet the official "investigations" of 9/11 neglected to include so much evidence that it would be hopelessly naive to believe them. The official narrative is, at best, incomplete, and, at worst, a complete lie.
The official "investigations," the 9/11 Commission and the NIST reports, left out significant relevant evidence (google 9/11 truth and look for yourself at the evidence and the credibility of the proponents of a new investigation). Why was evidence not included in the reports? For who’s benefit? And what does this mean for the continuously repeated justification for war?
9/11 was a huge crime perpetrated against the people of the United States and the people of the world. We still need a real investigation and real accountability. We need to discuss openly and often what happened, so we can bring the perpetrators to justice, perpetrators in addition to Al Qaida - the perpetrators who have been shielded, protected, by the incomplete, fraudulent investigations.
9/11 led us to war and worrisome erosions of our civil liberties. The official narrative of the events of 9/11 is at best incomplete, and at worst a complete lie - continuously destabilizing and devastating to life. The way to peace, whether officially or through civil society, is through open discussion and investigation of 9/11.
The way to peace is back through 9/11.
Ten more years of war =
ten more years of erosion of our democratic institutions, or what's left of them;
further economic ruin;
further cut backs on social services (including schools and libraries, of course);
further hardening of the corporate stranglehold on our institutions and lives.
All that, unless the Occupy USA movement succeeds in drasticlly changing the present regime and its militarism.
re: "Ten more years of war ="
Essentially perpetual war, for perpetual peace. Isn't life in Oceania wonderful?
"I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace."
—George W. Bush, June 18, 2002
“War is to man what maternity is to a woman. From a philosophical and doctrinal viewpoint, I do not believe in perpetual peace.”
—Benito Mussolini
Aren*t these the same types who accuse progressives of being ''naive''?
In 10 years you would have thought some Americans in the military might learn a few foreign languages or have a clue.
Reminds me of Condi Rice-"no one could have foreseen planes being used as weapons."
Isn*t that their Job?
Considering the fact that the military was in the middle of a "drill" that had essentially the same scenario, at the same time it happened, "Whodathunkit?" is a pretty lame excuse. One of the fighter pilots they tried to vector toward the aircraft asked his controller, "Is this part of the drill, or is it for real?"
The score, so far, is PNAC 1, US 0