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US, Israel Warships in Suez May Be Prelude to Faceoff with Iran
Egypt allowed at least one Israeli and 11 American warships to pass through the Suez Canal as an Iranian flotilla approaches Gaza. Egypt closed the canal to protect the ships with thousands of soldiers, according to the British-based Arabic language newspaper Al Quds al-Arabi.
One day prior to the report on Saturday, Voice of Israel government radio reported that the Egyptian government denied an Israeli request not to allow the Iranian flotilla to use the Suez Canal to reach Gaza, in violation of the Israeli sea embargo on the Hamas-controlled area.
International agreements require Egypt to keep the Suez open even for warships, but the armada, led by the USS Truman with 5,000 sailors and marines, was the largest in years. Egypt closed the canal to fishing and other boats as the armada moved through the strategic passageway that connects the Red and Mediterranean Seas.
Despite Egypt's reported refusal to block the canal to Iranian boats, the clearance for the American-Israeli fleet may be a warning to Iran it may face military opposition if the Iranian Red Crescent ship continues on course to Gaza.
The warships may exercise the right to inspect the Iranian boat for the illegal transport or weapons. Newsweek reported that Egyptian authorities could stop the ship for weeks, using technicalities such as requiring that any official documents be translated from Farsi into Arabic.
The magazine's website also reported that the Iranian navy is the weakest part of its armed forces. Tehran has already backed down from announced intentions to escort the Iranian ships with "volunteer marines" from the Iranian Revolutionary Guards.
The Iranian news site Hamsayeh.net reported, "The move might be in connection to U.S. self-inflicted embargo against Iran aimed at inspecting Iran bound ships for suspected goods related to the country's nuclear program."
Another battle on the high seas may involve one, and
possibly two, Lebanese vessels that are aimed at challenging Israel's
sovereignty over the Gaza coastal waters. Hizbullah, gearing up for a
reaction to a possible clash between the Israeli Navy (pictured) and the
Lebanese boats, has delayed rocket units near Lebanese ports, according
to unofficial military sources.
Israel has warned U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon that Israel will use force, if necessary, to stop the boats, one of which is carrying approximately 70 women passengers and crew organized by Hizbullah support Samar al-Hajj. Her husband is one of several jailed suspects involved in the assassination for former Lebanese anti-Syrian Prime Rafik Hariri.
Hizbullah has denied it is connected with the Lebanese flotilla, but it has been reported that Al Hajj met with Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah last month.
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Show AllThe Zionist State's use of force to stop implementation of UNSC Resolution 1860 is a big crime in and of itself that continues to NOT be reported by global media. The resolution can be read here, http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2009/sc9567.doc.htm
The continued blackout regarding even the existence of 1860 is monstrous. That The Zionists are threatening to go to war to stop 1860's implementation ought to enrage the international community just as Saddam Hussein did and to react in similar manner. Where are the hounds that bayed at Saddam?
The elites are silent now because appeals to popular ethics do not serve evil at this time.
Let the games begin....Let World War III start but there will be no "winners" this time around, folks.
President, Obama, with the prize for peace and who is so intelligent along with everyone else involved must grow up and put their toys away before someone gets hurt.
The "nobel peace prize" was made possible though a capitalist's diabolical exploitation of the dark human desire for mass subjugation through the terror of dynamite.
And the prize itself further cultivates the mass subjugation in an "Edward Bernays" kind of way.
"The "nobel peace prize" was made possible though a capitalist's diabolical exploitation of the dark human desire for mass subjugation through the terror of dynamite."
Dynamite a tool of mass subjugation? What nonsense! I see you don't work in the construction or mining business.
Tell the railroad and highway builders, quarriers and miners that. Dynamite saved many lives. Before Nobel's invention, they were getting themselves killed on the job quite regularly from having to use dynamite's somewhat less-stable predecessors.
Dynamite (and its gel-explosives descendents) is not used in military explosives, other high explosives like TNT are. They have nothing to do with each other.
The majority of Alfred Nobel's wealth came not from mining or industrial uses of Dynamite, but filling the explosive shells of cannon.
Lemme see: An unfinished war in Afghanistan. An unfinished war in Iraq. An unstable national economy. The single largest environmental disaster in US history. A restive and increasingly unhappy populace.
Yeah. Starting *ANOTHER* war in the Middle East, at the *publicly visible* behest of a pariah nation. THAT'S a winner.
I seem to remember that Iran has a large stockpile of Russian supplied Sunburn shipkiller missiles and mobile launchers, and have stated quite plainly that any attack on it's borders or territories will result in the immediate crippling of any and all shipping and oil transportation via the Straights of Hormuz.
It's a no win endgame. The US will lose both it's surface fleet in the area, as well as the immediate destruction of the OPEC oil supply. Israel will face immediate massive retaliation from ALL of it's Arab neighbors, and the US friendly governments of Egypt and Saudi Arabia will fall to their enraged populations.
Israels neighbors have no interest in confronting them in the interest of Iran. I also believe that Iran has a bit more respect for our military power than you do and are highly unlikely to fire on our ships.
Don't ever forget that we can do without OPEC but they cannot do without us at the moment.
"It's a no win endgame"
Here we really agree! No one wins if the shooting starts.
We do not need OPEC? Are you serious? Why do you think we are in Iraq? And threatening Iran?
Mt point was that if OPEC supply was lost to us, it would hurt them much more than us. In other words we do have alternatives if we were attacked as suggested.
I don't think for one minute we have to threaten Iran.
When the oil supply from OPEC dries up, all the technological doo-dads of the US and related countries have about six months at best to run. No more (or at least a severely contracted supply of) oil, gas, lubricants, plastics, fertilizers, pesticides, pharmaceuticals... the list is ten thousand items long. Too many of which are critical to day to day operations or life for many of the US population.
Most of the OPEC countries have a standard of living for their populations little above the worst of the Third World, so they wouldn't have far to go if their economies collapsed. The images you see of Kuwait and other places are of the wealthy elite, not the common man. Most of these places are only stable due to the efforts of repressive secret police forces backed by US money and arms. in comparison, the majority of the people living in the US would freak out completely as soon as gas was rationed, food was limited in supply, and consumerism was dead, dead, dead.
The only close sources of oil for the US if OPEC cuts you off is:
-Venezuela (OPEC member) whose government the US has tried tom overthrow several times in the last ten years. No help there.
-Mexico. Violent civil unrest, massive drug war with CIA/DEA involvement on both sides. The giant Cantarell oilfield is in bad shape, and is depleting rapidly with domestic Mexican use. Even more being shipped to the US would only inflame border tensions more, and probably lead to *another* Mexican Civil War.
-Canada. With the Corporate puppet Stephen Harper in power, all of Canada's domestic production of oil and gas would be handed over to the US in the blink of an eye. Two days later, Ottawa would be in flames and the pipelines and tanker routes to the US crippled and blocked. The Tarsands of Alberta rely on far too much consumption of oil and gas themselves to produce an excess for both US AND Canadian consumption. Something would have to give, and that would be the supply to the US.
Your best bet would be Canada, at least politically. Realistically, the people of Canada would respond to the memory of the War of 1812, and do their damnedest to burn the White House down again.
"The images you see of Kuwait and other places are of the wealthy elite, not the common man. Most of these places are only stable due to the efforts of repressive secret police forces backed by US money and arms. in comparison, the majority of the people living in the US would freak out completely as soon as gas was rationed, food was limited in supply, and consumerism was dead, dead, dead."
It really isn't true that the standard of living of the common person in Kuwait, UAE, Saudi, Qatar etc, is little above that of the 3rd world. That is flat out wrong.
The rulers of those states are smart enough to ensure that enough wealth trickles down to the populace to keep them content enough to not want to put their lives on the line and engage in outright revolt.
They use a combination of repressive secret police forces backed by western force, combined with enough trickle down wealth that the common person is kept content with enough spending money for some toys.
I dunno, but the US ships better keep a close eye on the Israeli one(s). They've been known to occasionally to fire in "error" in the past.
It could be a likely scenario. And the US and Israeli will blame the Iranians. False flag operations are quite expected by the Israelis and US . Remember the gulf of Tonkin? remember the incident a couple of years ago in the straits of hormuz?
I will not be surprised if it did happen.
Could be the big one. Is this where the US nukes Iran?
Hell, just remember the USS Liberty.
Sadly, many others are now noticing that the Hakenkruz and the Star of David are pretty much interchangeable.
The US has a bit of an attitude problem. They are used to hitting targets like Iraq, starved for ten years, no spare parts for its armor, its air force shot down, no antiaircraft batteries left. A turkey shoot.
Iran has a well supplied, first class military, with plenty of AA and AS missiles, a good air force, and modern military armor. When we start this stupidity, the losses are going to be enormous, and the US policy is to be allowed to nuke a non-nuke nation if it is expedient.
Even if this doesn't turn into WW-III, the hatred, and the destruction, will end any hope of peace in the ME, unless it is the peace of the grave.
Apparently, Obomber told some military group he spoke before to be prepared to go to war with North Korea soon.
How wonderful, our infrastructure is shot, we are fighting two wars going on three in Afghanistan/Pakistan and, of course Iraq.
We have the greatest catastrophe in recent history destroying the Gulf. We have few jobs left in this country. The banksters have received trillions to make up their gambling losses, and promptly hid most of it off shore. We the People are going homeless and hungry in ever increasing numbers, yet the Obamanation has billions to give to the MICC to prosecute still more wars, not to mention the annual three billion$ tribute to Israel each year out of our taxes.
What's wrong with this picture?
EVERYTHING!!!!
"Iran has a well supplied, first class military, with plenty of AA and AS missiles, a good air force, and modern military armor."
You must be kidding? They don't even match up with Israel. They had their hands full with Iraq.
http://original.antiwar.com -
A FLASH OF LIGHTNING
By Uri Avnery On June 20, 2010
Night. Utter darkness. Heavy rain. Visibility close to nil.
And suddenly – a flash of lightning. For a fraction of a second, the landscape is lit up. For this split second, the terrain surrounding us can be seen. It is not the way it used to be.
Our government’s action against the Gaza aid flotilla was such a lightning flash.
Israelis normally live in darkness as far as seeing the world is concerned. But for that instant, the real landscape around us could be seen, and it looked frightening. Then the darkness settled down over us, Israel returned to its bubble, the world disappeared from view.
This split second was enough to reveal a dismal scene. On almost all fronts, the situation of the state of Israel has worsened since the last flash of lightning.
The flotilla and the attack on it did not create this landscape. It has been there since our present government was set up. But the deterioration did not start even then. It began a long time before.
The action of Ehud Barak & Co. only lit up the situation as it is now, and gave it yet another push in the wrong direction.
How does the new landscape look in the light of Barak’s barak? (“Barak” means lightning in Hebrew.)
The list is headed by a fact that nobody seems to have noticed until now: the death of the Holocaust.
In all the tumult this affair has caused throughout the world, the Holocaust was not even mentioned. True, in Israel there were some who called Recep Tayyip Erdogan “a new Hitler,” and some Israel-haters talked about the “Nazi attack,” but the Holocaust has practically disappeared.
For two generations, our foreign policy used the Holocaust as its main instrument. The bad conscience of the world determined its attitude towards Israel. The (justified) guilty feelings – either for atrocities committed or for looking the other way – caused Europe and America to treat Israel differently than any other nation – from nuclear armaments to the settlements. All criticism of our governments’ actions was branded automatically as anti-Semitism and silenced.
But time does its work. New tragedies have blunted the world’s senses. For a new generation, the Holocaust is a thing of the remote past, a chapter of history. The sense of guilt has disappeared in all countries, except Germany.
The Israeli public did not notice this, because in Israel itself the Shoah is alive and present. Many Israelis are children or grandchildren of Holocaust survivors, and the Holocaust has been imprinted on their childhood. Moreover, a huge apparatus ensures that the Holocaust will not disappear from our memory, starting from kindergarten, through ceremonies and memorial days, to organized tours “there.”
Therefore, the Israeli public is shocked to see that the Holocaust has lost its power as a political instrument. Our most valuable weapon has become blunt.
The central pillar of our policy is our alliance with the United States. To use a phrase dear to Benjamin Netanyahu (in another context): it’s “the rock of our existence.”
For many years, this alliance has kept us safe from all trouble. We knew that we could always get from the U.S. all we needed: advanced arms to retain our superiority over all Arab armies combined, munitions in times of war, money for our economy, the veto on all UN Security Council resolutions against us, automatic support for all the actions of our successive governments. Every small and medium country in the world knew that in order to gain entrance to the palaces of Washington, the Israeli doorkeeper had to be bribed.
ARTICLE CONTINUED
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But during the last year, cracks have appeared in this pillar. Not the small scratches and chips of wear and tear, but cracks caused by shifts of the ground. The mutual aversion between Barack Obama and Benjamin Netanyahu is only one symptom of a much deeper problem.
The chief of the Mossad told the Knesset last week: “For the U.S., we have ceased to be an asset and become a burden.”
This fact was put into incisive words by Gen. David Petraeus, when he said that the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict is endangering the lives of American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. The later soothing messages did not erase the significance of this warning. (When Petraeus fainted this week at a Senate hearing, some religious Jews viewed it as divine punishment.)
It is not only the Israeli-American relationship that has undergone a fateful change, but the standing of the U.S. itself is changing for the worse, a bad omen indeed for the future of Israeli policy.
The world is changing, slowly and quietly. The U.S. is still by far the most powerful country, but it is no longer the almighty superpower it had been since 1989. China is flexing its muscles, countries like India and Brazil are getting stronger, countries like Turkey – yes, Turkey! – are beginning to play a role.
This is not a matter of one or two years, but anyone who is thinking about the future of Israel in 10, 20 years must understand that unless there is a basic change in our position, our position, too, will decline.
If our alliance with the U.S. is one central pillar of Israeli policy, the support of the vast majority of world Jewry is the second.
For 62 years, we could count on it with our eyes shut. Whatever we did – almost all the world’s Jews stood at attention and saluted. In fire and water, victory or defeat, glorious or dark chapters – the world’s Jews did support us, giving money, demonstrating, pressuring their governments. Without second thoughts, without criticism.
Not anymore. Quietly, almost silently, cracks have appeared in this pillar, too. Opinion polls show that most American Jewish young people are turning away from Israel. Not shifting their loyalty from the Israeli establishment to Israel’s liberal camp – but turning away from Israel altogether.
This will not be felt immediately either. AIPAC continues to strike fear into Washingtonian hearts, Congress will continue to dance to its tune. But when the new generation comes to man key positions, the support for Israel will erode, American politicians will stop crawling on their bellies, and the U.S. administration will gradually change its relations with us.
In our immediate neighborhood, too, profound changes are underway, some of them beneath the surface. The flotilla incident has exposed them.
The influence of our allies is decreasing constantly. They are losing height, and an old-new power is on the rise: Turkey.
ARTICLE CONTINUED
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Hosni Mubarak is busy with his efforts to pass power to his son, Gamal. The Islamic opposition in Egypt is raising its head. Saudi money is trumped by the new attraction of Turkey. The Jordanian king is compelled to adapt himself. The axis of Turkey-Iran-Syria-Hezbollah-Hamas is the rising power, the axis of Egypt-Saudi Arabia-Jordan-Fatah is in decline.
But the most important change is the one that is taking place in international public opinion. Any derision of this reminds one of Stalin’s famous sneer (“How many divisions has the pope?”).
Recently, an Israeli TV station showed a fascinating film about the German and Scandinavian female volunteers who flooded Israel in the ’50s and ’60s to live and work (and sometimes marry) in the kibbutzim. Israel was then seen as a plucky little nation surrounded by hateful enemies, a state risen from the ashes of the Holocaust to become a haven of freedom, equality, and democracy, which found their most sublime expression in that unique creation, the kibbutz.
The present generation of idealistic youngsters from all over the world, male and female, who would once have volunteered for the kibbutzim, can now be found on the decks of the ships sailing for downtrodden, choked and starved Gaza, which touches the hearts of many young people. The pioneering Israeli David has turned into a brutish Israeli Goliath.
Even a genius of spin could not change this. For years, now, the world sees the state of Israel every day on the TV screen and on the front pages in the image of heavily armed soldiers shooting at stone-throwing children, guns firing phosphorus shells into residential quarters, helicopters executing “targeted eliminations,” and now pirates attacking civilian ships on the open seas. Terrified women with wounded babies in their arms, men with amputated limbs, demolished homes. When one sees a hundred pictures like that for every picture that shows another Israel, Israel becomes a monster. The more so since the Israeli propaganda machine is successfully suppressing any news about the Israeli peace camp.
Many years ago, when I wanted to ridicule the addiction of our leaders to the use of force, I paraphrased a saying that reflects much of Jewish wisdom: “If force does not work, use brains.” In order to show how far we, the Israelis, are different from the Jews, I changed the words: “If force doesn’t work, use more force.”
I thought of it as a joke. But, as happens to many jokes in our country, it has become reality. It is now the credo of many primitive Israelis, headed by Ehud Barak.
In practice, the security of a state depends on many factors, and military force is but one of them. In the long run, world public opinion is stronger. The pope has many divisions.
In many respects, Israel is still a strong country. But, as the sudden illumination of the flotilla affair has shown, time is not working in our favor. We should deepen our roots in the world and in the region – which means making peace with our neighbors – as long as we are as strong as we are now.
If force doesn’t work, more force will not necessarily work either.
If force doesn’t work, force doesn’t work. Period.
BY URI AVNY.
Getting real sick of having to scroll past a yard of cut-and-paste plagiarism to read any thing succinct. Instead of copying other writers' stuff, just post a link.
Better yet, think and write for yourself.
Way good idea,, does Rahm emmauals stepping down have anything to do
with this ????
anyway
we're so
screwed !!!!
thank you -- GENIUS.....not!
as far as I recall -- i haven't exactly read anything original FROM YOU!
Poorly written article. Disjointed and rambling. Not sure what to make of it.
Long-winded comments. Longer, even, than the rambling article.
Ugh. Gotta start reading elsewhere to find relevant information.
There is definitely an error in this article as this, "has delayed rocket units near Lebanese ports" should no doubt have the word "deployed" instead of "delayed."
It isn't at all clear what the intentions are, although we all know they aren't good.
Gaza has no outlet to the sea except on the Mediterranean, so going through the Suez Canal from the Mediterranean to the Red Sea (the direction isn't made clear in the article but can be learned from news outlets) moves them away from Gaza and any ships bringing humanitarian relief to Gaza. The article's focus on the Gaza relief in conjunction with the ships makes it seem as if they are connected in some way.
After entering the Red Sea, they would most likely move toward the Gulf of Aden, and from there? I guess they are going to go after those pesky Somali pirates. Right.
remember the maine oops the-- USS LIBERTY--- nutin like friends
I had predicted the confrontation between the rabbis of Israel and the mullahs of Iran in 2010. The presence of massive US force and other NATO warships which have reached the area or are a day's sail away in the Indian Ocean implies that priests of Christ are united with the rabbis.
So it now becomes a nail biting wait of "when" and not "if". Initially, the Arab elites will side with the Judaeo-Christian axis, thereby giving the impression that Arab Sunni Islam has sided with the Judeo-Christian force. People in America and Europe, who neither understand Islam or Muslims and haven't cared to until very recently, led by their mendacious media will be manipulated into thinking that most of Islam (as Sunnis are 90% of the Muslims around the world, and Shia, of which Iran is the largest part, is the rest) that it is a unified command of all three monotheistic Abrahamic faiths at war with a renegade, extremist, diabolical version of Islam, namely Iranian Shia Islam. It is likely that the Pakistani and Afghanistan proxies of "Amrikkka" will also join the US/NATO and Israel at the behest of their benefactors among the oil rich sheiks and kings.
That facade will last all of one week. By that time, with nearly a million or two casualties from the devastating first strikes by waves of US/NATO/ISRAELI planes and cruise missiles on Iran, if Iran manages to get that news out to the masses in the Muslim world, god help the Arab/Pakistani elites from Egypt to Pakistan. They will be cut up into hamburger meat. Then the scene in week 2 will be totally new - - a united Muslim front of 1.5 billion people across the world in 54 countries whose geographic axis goes from the Atlantic to Xinxiang Province in China, and to the Pacific in Indonesia. All the armadas and armies of Judeo-Christianity will not have the wherewithal to control this colossal land mass
Also when China and Russia see the above Muslim juggernaut emerging from deep slumber led by Turkey and Iran, later joined by Pakistan, they will have no political/economic choice except to endorse and stand by the Muslim masses against US/NATO/ISRAEL. At that fateful moment, the Muslim counter attack will begin. It will roll across Afghanistan, across Pakistan, through Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia and meet Syria-Turkey at the Mediterranean and Black Sea. Pausing there, it will then roll north through the Balkans and south through Italy and Greece. Spain, Britain and France will be in the crosshairs of Algeria, Libya, Tunisia, Morocco and Egypt, now armed with Russian and Chinese missiles and armour
After that, Hindu India will side with Judeo-Christian hordes because of its psychotic hatred of Muslims and Islam
If that happens and India starts hostilities with the Muslim "civilization", both it and Pakistan/China will resort to nuclear weapons, that is if the Judeo-Christian forces have used them on Iran. By the third week, we will have a full blown nuclear WW III.
WW III is a climactic event for the human species, and whether Nature will again make the mistake of creating the human genome cannot be guaranteed.
It is possible that other advanced life forms in the Universe may intervene to save those humans whose intellects AND consciences are high and let the other parts perish in their delusions about their religions and their ideologies to fight it out to either extinction or survival in a Stone Age. Both are well-deserved ends for the masses that do not use their intellects and obey authority without verifying whether authority has truth in it, and blindly obey the misleading, monstrous authorities of religion, political ideology, and business and military elites. The masses and their leaders are sub-human and deserving of each other.
So, I have no qualms about any nonsensical religious/military war, with economic "qui bono" rationalizations by people who do not know how to count or imagine an Earth filled with toxicity in which "no bono" will make any sense for millennia. This is a religious war pure and simple, between fanatic, delusional-spirituality religions. These “spiritualist” religions are the oldest and most thoroughly hierarchical institutions in the world, and also corrupt to the core, that are models for all other human hierarchies and oligarchies in the money- making, political and military classes. All these mindless hierarchies that are ultimately predicated on brute-force and not reason will end, and the 4000 year old hierarchical power structures in which you are supposed to obey without question what the elites proclaim will also end. From their demise will emerge a humanity given to reason, to the beauty of knowledge of the natural world and its fantastic powers and mysteries, the powers of their brains/minds, knowing the futility of wealth accumulation when energy is infinite and free. There will be the arts and other language based human structures. But the language faculty of the mind and its power to create language phantasms will not become dominant again, no matter how much "wisdom" one will find in its poetry, pithy sentences and turns of phrase. What will be dominant are the logic (true/false) and math faculties of the brain which would provide the best foundation for a meritocracy of the intellect.
The upcoming war with Iran and consequent WWIII will be a catharsis for the human race, a kind of sorting out mind- using humans from ass-using humans.
RE: "the American-Israeli fleet"
Title card: There was a land of Cavaliers and Cotton Fields called the Old South... Here in this pretty world Gallantry took its last bow... Here was the last ever to be seen of Knights and their Ladies Fair, of Master and of Slave... Look for it only in books, for it is no more than a dream remembered. A Civilization gone with the wind...
Stuart Tarleton: Oh, isn't it exciting, Scarlett? You know those fool Yanks may actually want a war?
Brent Tarleton: We'll show 'em!
Scarlett: Fiddle-dee-dee. War, war, war; this war talk's spoiling all the fun at every party this spring. I get so bored I could scream. Besides... there isn't going to be any war.
Brent Tarleton: Not going to be any war?
Stuart Tarleton: Why, honey, of course there's gonna be a war.
Scarlett: If either of you boys says "war" just once again, I'll go in the house and slam the door.
Brent Tarleton: But Scarlett...
Stuart Tarleton: Don't you want us to have a war?
[she gets up and walks to the door, to their protestations]
Scarlett: [relenting] Well... but remember, I warned you.
SOURCE - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0031381/quotes
ELEVEN U.S. warships. ELEVEN. As the Gulf of Mexico dies. ELEVEN. When the entire U.S. Navy should be in the Gulf, sucking up every drop of oil as it gushes from the bottom of the sea. While the livelihood of tens of millions of Americans on the Gulf coast disappears, while untold millions of fish and birds die, while the very air turns toxic, Obomber plays Army with a psychopathic pseudo-state in the Middle East, killing innocents at the push of a button, rattling nuclear sabres at humanitarian volunteers, smashing up the ancient cradle of Mesopotamian civilization and contaminating their soil for millennia to come. You couldn't script anything even close to this for some crazy Hollywood Armageddon disaster flick. Reality has surpassed the imagination again, as in the darkest night of the Nazi nightmare. No movie, no poetry, no painting, video or music can encompass the scope of this catastrophe. Art is dead, at least for now. It is time to act.
Iran is playing a very dangerous game here. The Israeli are not fooling and this isn't an academic exercise.
It won't be WW3 because no one is going to jump in on Irans side, even the other Arab nations are quietly hoping that Iran will be stopped.
Let's get one thing straight, mighty mite. I don't know how good your memory is, but the provocation vis-a-vis Iran has always come from the Israelo-American side. The minute Ahamadinejad came to power in 2005 he became the Zionist media's and the Israeli and American goverments' latest bugbear, a perfect posterboy for their "Axis of Evil" fantasies, and they immediately set about taunting him. Fool that he is, Ahmadinejad took the bait and has played along by using enflamed rhetoric at every opportunity. But make no mistake (to quote our jackass president): he has threatened nobody, and Iran, if left alone, is a danger to nobody except a few of their own citizens. The United States and Israel, on the other hand, are a grave danger to everybody, and never stop threatening and murdering people wherever and whenever they please. These are the indisputable facts. If somebody starts shooting in this confrontation, you can be sure it will be from the Israelo-American side. Iran wants to send relief to Gaza, and I am sure they are sincere. Is it a provocation? Yes, of course. Why should they let Israel, with U.S. approval, destroy the Gazans? If they are smart, they will let the Americans inspect all their relief ships. If that is indeed what this is about, which is not yet clear. But as with Iraq, it is highly doubtful the Americans will take "yes" for an answer. The neocons have been lobbying for war with Iran for years. Our ship of state, and with it the world's, is rudderless, and the most powerful people are the greatest danger to all. The neocon agenda for "full spectrum dominance" is on the verge of setting the world aflame, for the vanity of a few deluded men.
"to quote our jackass president)"
Ah! You know our fearless leader.
I think you misunderstood what I was saying.
As to getting things straight, it matters not one whit if Iran is on the side of the Angels (which she assuredly is not, my point is that if you poke a bear with a stick don't be surprised at what you get.
Confronting Israel at this point is dangerous. They don't give a damn what anyone thinks in the end, they will protect themselves however they think necessary.
"If they are smart, they will let the Americans inspect all their relief ships. If that is indeed what this is about"
They won't have a choice. Someone suggested that Iran was a first class military power and I'm still laughing. I don't believe the Israeli military is as good as it was 20 years ago, but don't judge them by Lebanon or Gaza nor even the Flotilla fiasco. Not full force at all.
israel is not protecting itself it is insisting on committing any crime it wishes to commit.
They disagree with you, thats the danger. I don't believe they will hesitate if pushed.
Captain Kramer/Robert Stack: He {Ted Striker/Obama} just didn't have what it took when things didn't look so good.
Tower Chief/Lloyd Bridges: Right Now Rex, things don't look so good.
I knew I picked the wrong week to quit drinking.
I knew I picked the wrong week to quit taking amphetamines.
I knew I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
Holy Shidt, he's coming right at us! - Lloyd Bridges, ATC controller, Movie Airplane!
(sorry, lame attempt to make you guys laugh, over)
We're going to be lucky to survive this. The fallout's quite likely to circle the globe if this thing gets out of hand.
Nice knowing you all. I hope I'm wrong.
TJ
Declaration of War?
If the US attacks Iran, I suspect Congress won't "declare" war against Iran although attacking another country is an act of war.
FYI: A Naval blockade is considered an act of war.
We have good reason to fear false flag operations at this dangerous time. Be on your toes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZM7ppkVCT8
I'm way late to this posting, but remember all of the bluster and ships in the Persian Gulf under Bush and I kept predicting that the attack would happen any time. Luckily Admiral Fallon kept it from happening. Two things will predict an attack: If the e-mail connections to the ships are turned off cause thay wouldn't want any seaman e-mailing to mom to tell her about the impending attack. 2nd If all of a sudden you see massive buying of oil company stock and huge purchases of oil futures by the insiders who will know in advance. The biggest danger is if they start stopping all Iranian flagged ships to check the cargo. The Russians have already warned the US and Europe not to try any unilateral actions against Iran. The US is going to see what happens when you poke the Russian bear too many times with a stick.
Someone please kick me for not spotting this story on CD a couple days ago.
I've been concerned about the possibility of a false flag op against Israel by either U.S. or Israel, but framed to look like an Iranian attack in order to justify a nuclear "response" against Iran by U.S. and/or Israeli forces.
This article appears to present one possible opportunity for U.S. / Israel:
As the Iranian Flotilla approaches Gaza, U.S. and/or Israeli forces could detonate a nuke under the ship. If this occurs in port in Gaza, then it would also have the side "benefit" for Israel of terminating a large number of Palestinians, while providing a cassus belli if the detonation occurs close enough to Israel and, of course, in waters that Israel claims control of (as established by Turkey's Flotilla).
The scenario has so many positives for the apparent U.S.-Israeli agenda, it's hard not to suspect something like this may be waiting in the wings:
1. Destroys an Iranian ship (which in itself, might provoke an actual attack from Iran)
2. Kills many Palestinians.
3. Happens close enough to Israel that Israel can claim right to defend self against Iran.
4. Appears to establish Iran as perpetrator of nuclear first strike, justifying nuclear "response".
5. Provides support for Israel's claim to control shipping in areas around Gaza forever.
6. Vindicates Israel's heavy-handed response against Turkish flotilla.
The loose link is can Israel and U.S. really paint an apparent attack on Palestine as an attack on Israel? I don't know. But, attempting to put on my NWO thinking cap, this scenario appears to be ripe with possibilities for their agenda.
Please let me know what you think.