Activist Unmasks Himself as Federal Informant in G.O.P. Convention Case
When the scheduled federal trial begins this month for two Texas men who were arrested during the Republican National Convention on charges of making and possessing Molotov cocktails, one of the major witnesses against them will be a community activist who acted as a government informant.
Brandon Darby, an organizer from Austin, Tex., made the news public himself, announcing in an open letter posted on Dec. 30 on Indymedia.org that he had worked as an informant, most recently at last year's Republican convention in St. Paul.
"The simple truth is that I have chosen to work with the Federal Bureau of Investigation," wrote Mr. Darby, who gained prominence as a member of Common Ground Relief, a group that helped victims of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans.
He added, "I strongly stand behind my choices in this matter."
Mr. Darby's revelations caused shock and indignation in the activist community, with people in various groups and causes accusing him of betrayal.
"The emerging truth about Darby's malicious involvement in our communities is heart-breaking and utterly ground-shattering," said the Austin Informant Working Group, a collection of activists from the city who worked with Mr. Darby. "Through the history of our struggles for a better world, infiltrators and informants have acted as tools for the forces of misery in disrupting and derailing our movements."
Mr. Darby's letter answered lingering questions in the case of the two Texas men, David McKay and Bradley Crowder, both also from Austin. They are scheduled to go on trial in Minnesota on Jan. 26, and if convicted on all counts, each faces a prison sentence of up to 30 years.
Neither the United States attorney's office in Minnesota nor the F.B.I. would comment on Mr. Darby's announcement.
"As a matter of policy, we're not going to confirm or deny the identity of anybody who gives us information confidentially," said E. K. Wilson, an F.B.I. spokesman in Minnesota.
But in a telephone interview, Mr. Darby said that he had provided information leading to the arrest of Mr. Crowder and Mr. McKay, and that he planned to testify at their trial.
Mr. Darby would not provide details about his undercover activities, but said he had also worked as an informant in cases not involving the convention. He defended his decision to work with the F.B.I. as "a good moral way to use my time," saying he wanted to prevent violence during the convention at the Xcel Energy Center.
Documents that activists said were given to defense lawyers by the prosecution and printed on F.B.I. letterhead indicated that an informant - now identified as Mr. Darby - carried out a thorough surveillance operation that dated back to at least 18 months before the Republican gathering. He first met Mr. Crowder and Mr. McKay in Austin six months before the convention.
Mr. Darby provided descriptions of meetings with the defendants and dozens of other people in Austin, Minneapolis and St. Paul. He wore recording devices at times, including a transmitter embedded in his belt during the convention. He also went to Minnesota with Mr. Crowder four months before the Republican gathering and gave detailed narratives to law enforcement authorities of several meetings they had with activists from New York, San Francisco, Montana and other places.
One of his last conversations with Mr. McKay ended in an alley in Minneapolis, according to court documents, with Mr. Darby recording Mr. McKay talking about plans to use Molotov cocktails.
The F.B.I. reports mentioned dozens of people, most of whom have not been accused of any crime. In addition to listing biographical and physical particulars, Mr. Darby frequently offered observations on the motives, attitudes and states of mind of activists with whom he dealt.
"Part of what intrigues me is not only how he operates but what is the role of the F.B.I. in how he operates," said Lisa Fithian, an organizer who is named in the reports. "We don't know what we're dealing with here."
Some former friends of Mr. Darby have denounced him as a provocateur and said he might have enabled or encouraged Mr. Crowder and Mr. McKay to break the law. Mr. Darby denied that.
An F.B.I. agent swore in an affidavit that at one point Mr. McKay acknowledged that he intended to use firebombs. Such devices were never used, and both defendants have pleaded not guilty.
"The claim that the case is solely based on the testimony of informants is simply a wanton and willful untruth," Mr. Darby said in the interview. "It omits the physical evidence, the confession and possibly the testimony of many others."
In 2005, Mr. Darby went to New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina struck, joining Common Ground Relief as it provided medical attention and helped repair homes. He became a visible member of the group, sometimes acting as a spokesman and appearing on "The Tavis Smiley Show" on PBS.
When The St. Paul Pioneer Press published an article in October that cited an unidentified source who named Mr. Darby as an informant in the case against Mr. Crowder and Mr. McKay, a co-founder of Common Ground, Scott Crow, defended Mr. Darby publicly and warned against "rumors, conjecture and innuendo."
"I put it all on the line to defend him when accusations first came out," Mr. Crow said. "Brandon Darby is somebody I had entrusted with my life in New Orleans, and now I feel endangered by him."
Mr. Darby acknowledged that many people he spied on might not accept his explanation that he was motivated by conscience.
"I am well aware," he said, "that I've stepped outside of accepted behaviors and that I've committed a sin in the eyes of many activists."
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Show AllLet's not focus on the fear. Paranoia is obviously justified as this episode proves. However fear itself is an aim of the government in addition to the propaganda use of the "terrorism" charges. So, lets not get derailed or distracted.
What we need to do is use the episode to prove that this shit really happens. Prove unequivocally to the public and our pooh poohing liberal friends (who blame "anarchists" for effing things up) that the FBI and CIA and NSA and all the rest right down to the beat cop do in fact pull these dirty tricks to malign and make activists looks bad and straight up frame them and entrap them.
They and Mr. Darby have given us a gift just now with this admission by Darby and the facts that are known about him by fellow activists that worked with him over the years. That gift is irrefutable, mask off, revelation of the alice in wonderland shit the feds and cops pull against activists. We need to expose this loudly and widely and document it very well. We need people to hold them to the fire about this as much as possible while the window is still open, because believe me they are slithering as fast as they can to the other side of the looking glass where their deeds will nolonger be visible.
Granted most people don't want to know this shit, ignorance is self enforced. But there are some who have consciences and minds that will not forget nor apologize for the feds when they once see irrefutable proof of their misdeeds. They will be radicalized. The best way to do this is to talk to friends and family and in one on one conversations with others, and to provide the evidence to them.
Lets spread the word before its burnt up in the memory hole.
He is not just an "informant" as the corporate NYT claims in their headline. He is an agent provocateur - a regime agent that was trying to get people to commit crimes so that the regime could use that as a justification to crack down on the opposition. That is the way the billionaires' regime treats those who represent the economic interests of the bottom 90% of the population. Do not forget this.
The U.S. Government is nothing more than a very violent and corrupt crime family with lieutenants called demo-rats and repugs who represent the Mafia Dons called billionaires, international corporations and bankers. They will use anything to get their way and protect their power and illegal,vested interests just like any crime family, including agent provocateurs like this treacherous guy who was bought off and used as one of their pawns.
In order to put the informant in the hot seat and find out to what extent he participated in the activities to encourage or lure the defendants into this activity, they can always file a CIVIL R.I.C.O lawsuit against him and law enforcement. It's that simple. Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act law allows for unearthing the most formidable weapon (conspiracy) to discover to what extent a party (the informant)is responsible for furthering a conspiracy. Because case law is established; "while they may not have carried out a substantial portion of the act or acts, the supporters are as guilty as the perpetrators". In addition they may use the conspiracy prong to establish a denial of Civil Rights by proxy and over-reaching.
http://www.bccmeteorites.com/misconduct-planetary.html
Unfortunately, far from a legitimate "Whistleblower."
Shouldn't any legitimate leader shut down discussions of violence?
The clear message here is that we have beeb fight the new Vietnam
wars over these past eight years. War profiteers and profiteering
corporations are again riding high, and COINTELPRO never ended.
"According to all myth, the female - not the male -- gives life"
One has to wonder how many more F.B I. informants are still out there! This is probably not an isolated case.
If one were to follow Darby's logic, the perfect society is a police state. We've probably got that now, even without Darby-types lending a helping hand.
Does Darby consider the violence of the state, as manifested by Republican Party control of the government (with cowardly support from Democratic representatives)? Our tax dollars go to their wars, resulting the needless deaths (hundreds of thousands in Iraq alone). But contemplating property damage gets you 30 years in jail?
Too bad the American revolutionaries didn't have Darbys around to quell potential violence against the British crown prior to 1776. If they did, we'd still be bowing to the king, maybe.
I still can't figure out why George W. Bush hasn't been arrested as a war criminal. If they care to look up international laws concerning warfare, FBI officials could be right next door to make the arrests of Bush administration officials and Congressmembers for clear violations of those laws. Serious crimes, too. Lots of violence.
I don't think even property damage is helpful to a cause, but I really don't care about it, given the massive crimes carried out by our so-called government servants. I hope the jury acquits the accused, even if the FBI comes up with bottles of flammable liquid. The greater crime is total surveillance.
People should seriously consider defunding their various police forces by working at the city council and state government levels. The police are actually needed for civil functions, but I'd rather have none of them than any of them under these circumstances. Usually, it's the police themselves that go undercover and get their jollies. We all expect that now. And it's such a waste. The vast majority of people dissent peacefully, and sometimes get thrown in jail for it. It's a sad state for this failed republic, with its citizens who have "inalienable rights" of assembly and speech.
-TIA
"Terrorism" HAS been defined in so many ways that one might conclude that it's not really susceptible of good definition but like "obscenity", we just know it when we see it. Or maybe we don't. The many definitions of terrorism and differences of opinion (usually depending upon which side of the power equation you're on) are well covered in the book "Thinking Like a Terrorist" based on an FBI agent's many years of working as an FBI undercover in right-wing terrorist groups.
One thing that is very clear is that the term "terrorist" is a loaded one that gave rise to the fear and panic that made possible Bush-Cheney’s many illegal, unethical and just plain stupid actions (on a pragmatic level) post 9-11. The even worse expansion to "Global War on Terror" (GWOT) pleased the Military Industrial Complex by picking up where the "Cold War" left off. It did a lot of things by opening the door to abuses of “Commander in Chief” war powers, not to mention the "fog of war"; “all’s fair in love and war”; and "truth is the first casualty of war".
“Terrorist” has reprised the old hated "Communist" as the perfect, favored way to black list and demonize, to collect huge amounts of private data on the citizenry and to intimidate and control internal dissent.
A leader of the Vets for Peace who participated and (committed non-violent civil disobedience) in the peace marches at the RNC assessed it as follows in his comment on the "Petition to Defend the RNC 8" (http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/defendthernc8):
“Nonviolent civil disobedience is the logical action for peace loving people who have tried in every way to work within the legal system only to find that those in power refuse to listen to the voices of the oppressed. I do not agree with destruction of other people's property as a means of expressing opinion, but direct violence against living creatures is a far greater offense. In the case of the RNC protests, by far the greatest perpetrators of violence were law enforcement officials."
The most astute observation about these issues which speaks to our current situation was this one by none other than Justice Louis Brandeis:
"In a government of law, the existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for the law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy."
It’s really hard to believe that there is no political will at present to hold the war criminals at the highest levels of our government accountable. And it's also hard to believe that anyone in this country—police or citizen—wants to again see the government unleash the over-reactive, repressive and violent tactics of the 1960’s to squelch domestic dissent. Ironically, both these would be the real recipe for inviting anarchy.
Those who can be made to believe absurdities can be made to commit atrocities. Voltaire
Nonviolence is not limited to politely walking around in your fenced-off free speech zone singing give peace a chance. The whole idea behind our first amendment free speech rights includes the right to have our grievances addressed by the powers that be. Our government has abdicated its moral authority over us when it violated its oath to uphold our constitution and ignored the international treaties it swore to uphold. It is evident in the way they have nothing but contempt for the very people they are supposed to be serving in this so-called democratic society. When they have all the power and the authority (justice dept., CIA, FBI, patriot act, homeland security, TSA, tasers, urban assault squads, not to mention the media, wiretaps, and on and on), you have to get their attention and make them stop somehow. It is our duty as citizens to keep our own rogue governments in check. Allegedly, this is the rationale (at least partly) behind the 2nd amendment right to bear arms. This kind of authoritarian power does not concede anything unless it is made very uncomfortable with the status quo. Nonviolence is not always pretty and polite. It very frequently involves getting in their faces (think blood stained hands in Condi's face), disruptions, or throwing figurative and sometimes real wrenches into the gears of the repression machine. The right to sign online petitions, blog, and send letters to Congress, as Cheney & Bush have been so quick to point out, doesn't mean anything, other than "how nice that we live in free country where people can say whatever they want". Yes, how nice. But just try any consequential action or organizing and see how quickly you are repressed. It involves considerable risk to take these kinds of stands. Indeed, most who have come close to being successful and effective have ended up dead, ruined or in prison. That is why I can't stand it when people make fun of CodePink. They do not understand what is at stake. CodePinkers are not content to politely disagree -- but they also do not want to become victims of repression. It is less attractive on the evening news for cops (but not out of the question) to beat up on women dressed in pink boas and silly crowns than it is to crack the heads of black-block anarchists -- even though they may be employing the same tactics for the same causes. I have politely walked in circle around the white house with 300,000+ heartbroken American citizens who didn't dare to act out. The President didn't even feel it necessary to acknowledge us. Like the civil right movement -- if you want to get somewhere, you have to shut the place down (every European country gets this, but it has somehow been bred out of us Amerikans).
As to how to thwart the agents-provocateurs, you discuss possible strategies, but you do not seek to know what others actually do, and you do not tell what you do (as in sabotage, etc.).
It's a way's to a conviction. I'll be shocked if Darby has not been paid by the Feds, and or had charges dismissed for putting people in cages or trying to. His evisceration on the stand may await us. Loathed by cops, criminals and the common man, snitches and traitors are even despised by their own families. Right on. But in many places a jury can convict, even send a man to Death Row based on unsubstantiated testimony. Physical Evidence? No and big deal, "Yeah, that's the *&%# I saw," And nothing else, Bang. Prison. This country is Prison-Crazy.
"I'll be shocked if Darby has not been paid by the Feds" --
You beat me to the question -- is he going to disclose how much he was provided? Snitches never work for free.
"I understand it, is a result of his provocation of and defiance in the face of police power in New Orleans, where the city's legal foundations in the Napoleonic Code deprive citizens of power and due process. I respected him and his ability to fuse community organizing traditions with radical activism."
The traitorous snitches of the world are always found among those arrested. No doubt Darby's 'defiance' and 'arrest' in New Orleans were orchestrated & his slimy career began much earlier than he's admitting.
The self-serving crap about his wanting to prevent violence -- gee, did he see any of the violence used on, say, Amy Goodman by his friends in the police state business?
So, here we have the best example of what our fellow human being is capable of; if there were any doubts.
However instead of asking for his head on a silver platter I would suggest a slightly different approach.
This individual is/was most likely 'acting out of conscience', but that is the claim that Pres. Bush and his cabinet are making. If his conscience was misplaced by his need to be recognized, he got it. Now he sleeps with "dogs", and he cannot trust anyone since the people who hired him are the same who would violate others rights to privacy using national security as an excuse. He can sleep where he wants, but will he sleep soundly?
He uses those who would trust him to betray their trust most likely because he, like so many others, are incapable of acting out of integrity but can be counted on to act out of self interest.
As for the people who conspired to use fire bombs, they most likley are amature criminals. If one is going to commit a crime, the object, unless they are very seriously unstable, is to get away with it. The prisons all over the world are full of those who thought they could get away with a crime, only to find out they "didn't plan very well". Little sympathy should be awarded the conspirators, taking into consideration that these were federal police officers. The Federal Police forces, FBI, DEA , Customs are exceptionally inept, incompetent and corrupt themselves. The FBI rarely if ever publishes its failure rate but the DEA and Customs do. The DEA often claims to confiscate or interdict 10% of the illicit drugs coming into the USA. If you are a sales person,or a lawyer, or even a doctor with a ten percent success rate, you are considered an absolute failure, and most often are 'out of work'. In other words, you have to be a very inept criminal to be caught by the Federal Law Enforcement agencies, so if you are, you need to be in jail somewhere, so you can't blow the rest of us to pieces.
One other word. Willie Shoemaker, the famous bandit who robbed banks 'cause that's where they keep the money', gave advise to others that "if ya do a crime, do it by yourself, cause ya can't even trust your mama these days".
Liberation movements in the U.S. need to consider more seriously the infiltration of their organizations by informants and other agents of established power. They are there to provoke, disrupt and subvert the efforts of risk taking people to change a world headed towards destruction. This requires some thought, insight and wisdom on the part of those who are loyal to the efforts of the movements they belong to. Part of this is that we live in an anonymous society where, when one leaves a meeting, nobody seems to know anything about the life of the other members.
There are tests, but what are they? What are your thoughts? Truth is not something spoken or written, but word or thought in action. Also, everything can change - in persons or in groups. What are the fundamentals, what can be committed to for the long run, when are groups divided? These are all important questions. If the thoughts and deeds are not congruent throughout the group, there will be problems.
There is a time honored tradition on how to deal with traitors. If this forum thinks you can play at liberation and everybody should just make nice, the movement will continue to be infiltrated again and again like a revolving door. Agent provocateurs are a serious breach of trust and should be dealt with accordingly.
It is not a game to call out and punish so called "traitors". It could get very ugly. Those methods easily get out of hand and could be used by provocateurs themselves to get rid of innocent or effective people in organizations.
The best way to deal with "traitors" is to think clearly and not be stampeded. Charismatic, self-promoting leaders may be provocateurs, or they may just be egotistical jerks. Look for leaders who are collaborative, thoughtful open and discreet. Either way, the best defense is for everyone to pitch in with critical thought and planning. Groupthink is the worst problem for organizations.
There will always be a danger of people planted in organizations to take names. I do not know what can be done about that. One of the nicest guys we knew turned out to be an FBI informant in the 60's. None of us, and I mean nobody, had any suspicions. You can't walk around guessing. It gets corrosive.
Joe
So very true...
I have had the experience of being wrongly accused of being an FBI informant by folks in an activist community several years ago... Unfortunately, my accusers didn't bother to confront me face to face, instead they spread rumors around the community that I was a rat...
I didn't know of this until a girlfriend asked me about it, hearing it at a potluck... I eventually traced it back to the original source and confronted her in public in front of many other activists...
I thanked her for "outing" me, because it caused me to do some soul searching...
And prevented me from being involved with people who later were indicted for arson of a research lab...
I realized that resisting a negative is necessary, but unless coupled with creating a positive then it will burn you out...
She was still convinced I was a freddie, lost in a paranoid fear based delusion...
This is why we should act as if the FBI has already infiltrated a group... And not do anything violent or stupid...
Spreading rumors or fearing each other only accomplishes the goal of cointelpro...
Because the freddies use divide & conquer tactics it is important to stay in solidarity with openness & transparency...
The huge costs to democracy and citizens' First Amendment rights of turning Bush's "war on terror" inwards is the real issue here. The 18 month long infiltrations of social justice, peace and activist groups that occurred in the lead-up to the Republican National Convention (RNC) are on the same level as the ridiculously overbroad "intelligence" collection recently exposed in Maryland (see "More Groups Than Thought Monitored in Police Spying" http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/03/AR2009010301993.html) Not only do the mistaken identifications in Maryland of 53 members of anti-death penalty, Code-Pink, anti-war and other environmentalist groups harken back to the House Unamerican Activities Committee and COINTELPRO eras that witnessed thousands of people blacklisted and led to wiretapping Martin Luther King as a Communist, but the intimidation that accompanies this type of "Bush Doctrine" pre-emptive spying and aggressive policing--over 800 arrested at the RNC including Amy Goodman and 40 other journalists!--is the huge problem.
After what happened at the RNC, people in the Twin Cities are now so afraid to even write a letter to the editor let alone show up in a public rally.
Eight young leaders of the "RNC Welcoming Committee" were pre-emptively raided and arrested even before the RNC began. They are charged with "conspiracy to riot in furtherance of terrorism" under Minnesota's "Patriot Act" and facing 15 years in prison as "terrorists". Click here: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/defendthernc8 for their petition which provides a thousand more insights/comments on the issue. But essentially, our country's democracy cannot win in such a "war on dissent".
Those who can be made to believe absurdities can be made to commit atrocities. Voltaire
I think that "property destruction" is a different tactic than "non-violence"...
And those who actively engage in property destruction as a tactic tend to fall into the same ideological trap as the oppressors...
They believe that the ends justify the means... And must operate in a shroud of secrecy in order to carry out their "direct actions"...
Torching research labs and SUV lots is romantic in an Us vs. Them sort of way...
However, I feel it is an ego driven act of desperation that thinks it is a legitemate or effective tactic...
First of all, There is no guarrantee that throwing a bomb or torching a building won't kill any sentient beings...
And secondly, acts of property destruction only plays into the hands of those who profit on the build up of a surveillance state and take away our civil liberties...
Let's not forget about "agent provocateurs"... Who encourage normally peaceful people to participate in illegal activities...
And also "Black clad" activists enciting violence and property destruction at protests to justify the police presence and response...
The only effective tool and tactic to force social and political and economic change has been "Civil Disobedience"...
Non-violent protests like million man marches and freedom rides and sit-ins and general strikes and solidarity movements...
Paranoid "Affinity groups" of so-called anarchists with incendiary devices scares me way more than an FBI informant...
The fact is... The Feds already have infiltrated most peace groups looking for crazies with pipe bombs and Molotov coctails...
There is no point in being paranoid or feel betrayed by a domestic spies...
All we can do is welcome them in, and hope they learn something while they are here...
And not engage in extra-curricular activity that involves property destruction...
Otherwise, the community is already torn asunder by suspicion and infighting...
Once the movement has become a divided house fearful of itself, then Cointelpro has won...
Historically, at some point in the development of a genuine social movement, acts of property destruction or rude defiance toward specific government or corporate targets are powerful, galvanizing, and very effective. Believe me, when the time is right, you will change your mind about direct property action. It has been fundamental in every movement for change. Recall the 1770's - the Boston massacre riots, the Boston tea party, the tarring and feathering of loyalists?
Or the recent airport shutdowns and in Thailand? The Serbian pro democracy revolts that ousted Milosevic? The Romanian actions that ousted Ceaucescu? All these things involved breaking windows of government offices and burning their cars or such. But they also delivered the goods. They most definitely didn't resemble the useless "peaceful" permitted marches by UPFJ or ANSWER. Been there done that.
But I agree we are not at the point yet where breaking windows - even Pentagon or nuclear bomb factory windows - do very much.
---USAn---
GoldenMean,
"There is no point in being paranoid or feel betrayed by a domestic spies...
All we can do is welcome them in, and hope they learn something while they are here..."
Excellent comment.
I don't like the label "domestic spy". Why just call them plain clothes policemen? That's basically all they are. I'm happy to have them. I don't want a positive non-violent protest tainted by a Molotov-cocktail-throwing anarchist.
Sounds like you would have been happy to have the Gestapo. Do creatures like you really exist on this planet?
Not all narcs are undercover police officers...
There are FBI informants, TIPS volunteers, CoIntelPro agents and their modern equivalents, corporate proprietary spies, ad nauseum...
We aren't talking about narcs.
So sorry... I was using the colloquial usage of the term "narc"...
Which is like "rat" or "fink"...
Thanks for reminding me of the "informants" of our domestic "War on Drugs"...
who deserve to be on this list of domestic spies as well...
Civil disobedience, even non-violent civil disobedience is not well understood. Since it IS illegal to even step over a line and trespass, the tendency, post 9-11, has been for the FBI and police to confuse it with "terrorism" whether or not any property destruction occurs. For instance, the Minnesota Patriot Act actually goes beyond the federal Patriot Act in this area, labeling an act of property damage (anything costing over $1000) an act of "terrorism" while to be considered a domestic terrorist under the federal Patriot Act, one (rightly) has to commit an act "dangerous to human life". It's a fine line but it ought to be recognized.
If you go back to the Vietnam War, and destruction of draft cards, for instance, or Father John Dear's trespass onto a military base and taking a hammer to an F-16 bomber, these are acts of civil disobedience but they are not acts "dangerous to human life". It's pretty amazing how people, post 9-11, have forgotten all the fine lines that make up our democracy.
Those who can be made to believe absurdities can be made to commit atrocities. Voltaire
I volunteered with the Common Ground Collective in New Orleans in January 2007, right at the end of Darby's tenure as its director. The night I arrived at the CGC shelter, Darby was in a confrontation with police officers and was promptly arrested. Darby's very fame in that organization, as I understand it, is a result of his provocation of and defiance in the face of police power in New Orleans, where the city's legal foundations in the Napoleonic Code deprive citizens of power and due process. I respected him and his ability to fuse community organizing traditions with radical activism.
I wonder if Darby's new role as an informant is a result of personal confrontations with the law; perhaps they offered him a deal? If so, that sort of self-interest would be extremely disappointing, as is this story in general.
At least Judas Iscariot did the honorable thing by committing suicide for betraying Jesus the Christ. Why is the Darby fellow even taking up space on this planet?
One could also argue that had Judas not betrayed the Christ, there'd have been no crucifixion. I think that's an arguement that was one of the first things the church condemned as heresy, worth a burning at least.
In my expression of disgust with snitches, I was just making a rhetorical statement.
informant or provacateur? One wonders if the people accused of making gas bombs would have seriously persued the action if not for the presence of the informant. Did the informant earn money for his acts?
So, saturnalia, you're saying that now we can all be arrested for thoughtcrime?
Perhaps not yet, but you can be arrested for expressing a desire to shoot the president. Even if you have no real plans to do that, nor any ability to do it, you can still be arrested for uttering threats.
Tell me, did the 'American Talliban' actually kill any yanks in the usa before he was sent to jail for life on charges of treason? Did they prove that he had any concrete plans to blow up anything in the states?
Working for the US Gestapo is a higher moral choice? The man is clearly deranged and ignorant to the nth degree. The big problem is there are millions just like him.
exactly.
he says:
"this is a good way of preventing violence in a moral way".
is his mind so twisted that he didn't realize he was working for an entity that is BASED ON VIOLENCE....which as all police states ...masquerade behind "law and order" and "preventing violence" - by eventually giving itself the "lawful" MONOPOLY on violence?
that is what the FBI and these government agencies, military, NSA, even the Police are, in essence :
they are the entities given the legal right to be enforcers of VIOLENCE as a MONOPOLY of government which represents the POWERS that BE.
what difference does it make from the militaries of other countries in this sense?. nothing whatsoever.
a government that does not truly represent a benign intent towards people -- but instead is maintained to preserve the privileges of the powerful -- ALWAYS aims to have A MONOPOLY ON VIOLENCE.
I suspect that Mr. Darby was motivated by the same overly extreme and intolerant definition of "nonviolence" that has causes a major schism among activists in my town.
Such "nonviolence" purists define any kinds of disruptive activity, even in situations where it is likely to be effective (like throwing shoes at a head of state), as "violence" to be condemned. These include even the most innocuous levels of garffiti, vandalism, blocking streets, raising one's voice in anger or using swear words. Ironically, many of the movements that the nonviolence purists hold up as examples, like the popular Serbian uprising that ejected Milosevic, involved plenty of "violence" (as they would define it) - vandalism and burning-car barricades and the like. I guess they would even consider some of the actions Gandhi pursued to be too violent for their likes.
Oddly, some of these nonviolence purists themselves had participated in plowshares actions in the past - breaking into a factory and causing many thousands dollars damage to some ICBM warhead re-entry cones - things they's decry as "violence" if someone else did them today.
We can only move forward if everyone respects diversity of tactics and this only meands something if you respect tactics you express your disagreement with. What the self-righteous Mr. Darby did was shameful - it was not like anyone was proposing throwing a MC into an occupied building, or into a building at all. It would have been a gesture that looks dramatic but causes little damage.
Just to be clear, this is an entirely different discussion than the discussion whetner tactics that involve property damage would be effective in some situations. In our current mileau in the US (compared to Serbia 10 years ago or current day Greece), where we are dealing with such an unenergized and ill-informed public, such actions are usually very ill-advised because the media would have a field day with them.
---USAn---
scum working for scum
how many shekels does it take for a scum to sell his friends - i mean jesus himself was only worth 30
cheers, b
A more moral use of ones time, and an integrity-preserving one, would be openly dissuading protesters from using Molotov cocktails.
Mr. Darby perhaps enjoys donning a cloak and dagger, getting high on his own bodily excretions whilst playing the roll of James Bond.
Perhaps this Texas informant is like Tom Coleman, the Texas informant who falsely accused scores of african americans of drug dealing in the panhandle town of Tulia. Some of the innocent men were sentenced to decades of imprisonment based on this false testimony.
http://www.drugpolicy.org/law/police/tulia/index.cfm
Or perhaps this informant is like Luis Posada Carriles who worked for the CIA in the sixties and seventies and just happened to be involved in the bombing of a Cubana airliner in 1976 killing all 73 people on board. If the US is so anti-terrorist, why has it permitted Carriles to live freely and without prosecution in the U.S.? The U.S. also refuses to extradite him to Venezuela where they want to prosecute him.