Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, like rival John McCain, has yet to take a stand one way of the other on the proposal to have U.S. taxpayers bail out the worst players in the U.S. financial system with a scheme to buy up $700 billion worth of bad loans.
Obama calls McCain "the great deregulator" and warned that the Republican would do to the health care system what had been done to the banking.
McCain's campaign called Obama a "directionless driver" on the economy.
Obama was for helping Wall Street and Main Street, which was better than just helping Wall Street... but not much, when you consider that Main Street rarely wins these wrestling matches. McCain was for keeping "people in their homes and (safeguarding) the life savings of all Americans by protecting our financial system and capital markets," which is this week's variation on the "sound economy" in "crisis" dichotomy of last week.
But neither candidate took a clear stand on the proposal that's being placed on the table.
So what should the contenders -- especially Obama -- be saying?
How about borrowing a page from Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, who served as a member of the House banking committee before his election to the Senate, where he is now a member of the budget committee.
Sanders actually understands how the current crisis got started.
And the independent senator understands that what is being proposed by the Washington and Wall Street mandarins who got us into this mess as a fix is actually bad policy on steroids.
Here's what Sanders says -- and what Obama and the Democrats should be saying:
For years, as a member of the House Banking Committee and now as a member of the Senate Budget Committee, I have heard the Bush Administration tell us how "robust" our economy was and how strong the "fundamentals" were. That was until a few days ago. Now, we are being told that if Congress does not act immediately and approve the $700 billion Wall Street bailout proposal these "free marketers" have just written up, there will be an unprecedented economic meltdown in the United States and an unraveling of the global economy.This proposal as presented is an unacceptable attempt to force middle income families (and our children) to pick up the cost of fixing the horrendous economic mess that is the product of the Bush Administration's deregulatory fever and Wall Street's insatiable greed. If the potential danger to our economy was not so dire, this blatant effort to essentially transfer $700 billion up the income ladder to those at the top would be laughable.
Let us be clear. If the economy is on the edge of collapse we need to act. But rescuing the economy does not mean we have to just give away $700 billion of taxpayer money to the banks. (In truth, it could be much more than $700 billion. The bill only says the government is limited to having $700 billion outstanding at any time. By selling the mortgage backed assets it acquires -- even at staggering losses -- the government will be able to buy even more resulting is a virtually limitless financial exposure on the part of taxpayers.) Any proposal must protect middle income and working families from bearing the burden of this bailout.
I have proposed a three part plan to accomplish that goal which includes a five-year, 10% surtax on the income of individuals above $500,000 a year, and $1 million a year for couples; a requirement that the price the government pays for any mortgage assets are discounted appropriately so that government can recover the amount it paid for them; and, finally, the government should receive equity in the companies it bails out so that when the stock of these companies rises after the bailout, taxpayers also have the opportunity to share in the resulting windfall. Taken together, these measures would provide the best guarantee that at the end of five years, the government will have gotten back the money it put out.
Second, in addition to protecting the average American from being saddled with the cost, any serious proposal has to include reforms so that we end the type of behavior that led to this crisis in the first place. Much of this activity can be traced to specific legislation that broke down regulatory safety walls in the financial sector and allowed banks and others to engage in new types of risky transactions that are at the heart of this crisis. That deregulation needs to be repealed. Wall Street has shown it cannot be trusted to police itself. We need to reinstate a strong regulatory system that protects our economy.
Third, we need to address the needs of working families in this country who are today facing very difficult times. If we can bail out Wall Street, we need to respond with equal vigor to their plight. That means, for example, creating millions of jobs through major investments in rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure and creating a new renewable energy system. We must also make certain that the most vulnerable Americans don't freeze in the winter or die because they lack access to primary health care.
Finally, we need to protect ourselves from being at the mercy of giant companies that are "too big to fail," that is, companies who are so large that their failure would cause systemic harm to the economy. We need to assess which companies fall into this category and insist they are broken up. Otherwise, the American taxpayer will continue to be on the financial hook for the risky behavior, the mismanagement, and even the illegal conduct of these companies' executives.
These are the last days of the Bush Administration, the most dishonest and incompetent in modern American history. It is imperative that, at this important moment, Congress stand up for the middle class and for fiscal integrity. The future of our country is at stake.
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Show AllSioux Rose
Here the fiscal dots that have massaged the public so as to prepare them for this monetary hit.
The CONSUMER is expected to pay for insurance against identity theft. We routinely receive offers (some with checks inside) in the mail for various credit cards, but now it's OUR responsibility to ensure our identity and funds are not extracted through such as this.
We pay into insurance pools, but the ones that dole our health care can arbitrarily state that a specific (costly treatment involved, no doubt) condition is "not covered."
We pay homeowner's insurance, extra fees for flood & windstorm, but in the event of "the big one" necessary funds to cover will not be, ARE NOT, in existence.
We put our savings into the bank and watched as interest rates became embarassingly low. For a savings account it's something like .02 percent. When I was told this, I told the banker, "Why don't you just pass out candy bars?" He was insulted, but it was about the same costs. Now with our treasury busily bailing out the golden parachute jumper squad, there are not sufficient funds for FDIC TO ensure these accounts. A run on the banks can't be far off, lest the US zombie public not believe what's actually going on. We're like a population pool with Stockholm Syndrome, taken into abduction by a battering president, and hit so many times, we're too dizzy (not necessarily those in the forum, but the pervasive US "we") to see what's going on.
So... perhaps it's time for US to start up an insurance firm, that would ensure citizens against the likelihood of being taken into debtors' prison for not absorbing the debt burden of King George and his neocon fellows? We let the war profiteers get away with the cream of the fiduciary crop, so now as we are in line to hold the debt... who can NOT afford to have "debtors' prison insurance"?
Rethuglicans = Corporate Welfare Cheats
I am having a nightmare - I live in a peasant village like the one of my grandparents. It is September and the golden harvest is stacked in the central square. The king's men gallop into town on horseback and push all the villagers up against a barn wall. Anyone who resists will be shot for disloyalty to the king. The soldiers load all the wheat, goats, chickens and food harvested from the last year's work onto their wagons and ride off. The village square is empty of food. Winter is coming.
Joe
Regarding your previous comment re: "robust".
I've always picked up on buzzwords and buzzphrases that work exactly as you describe. All of a sudden they pop up all around you. Unfortunately, even relatively educated, intelligent people fail to notice that these are typically code words that mean the opposite. Since this hype trickles down from the top, those who want to seem impressive and with-it repeat the buzz uncritically; with others, it's practically unconscious.
One example from my employment, going back a few years, is "World-Class Service™", which would have been accurate if they'd just said "THIRD World-Class Service".
And once at a "train the trainer" session, I THOUGHT I understood the Trainer Trainer to say that this particular training was being offered "just in time"-- fair enough. I was soon to learn that the phrase was actually Just-in-Time Training™, a wholly-owned subsidiary of World-Class Service™.
Supposedly this term reflected the efficiency and professionalism of providing training just at the optimal moment it was needed. In reality, it was typically Too-Little Too-Late training.
Finally-- I could go on and on-- there are also code words like "purist". I was bamboozled by it for a little while, until I came to see that it was invariably used by people defending mediocrity, shoddiness, inadequacy, and deficiency. Those who are fond of chiding "purists" rely on cognitive dissonance to prop up their self-respect, sometimes to the point of smug superiority.
I am having similar thoughts, but instead of a nightmare it's reality. I thought about pyramids and slaves.
I haven't looked at the rest of the comments yet and haven't heard this on the news yet but I'm surprised Obama or anyone isn't using the phrase "ECONOMIC MUSHROOM CLOUD." Where have we heard a similar scenario before? Trust us, give us a blank check, give us all your hard-earned money. If we do something wrong, we can't be sued or held accountable or responsible. I hope both the dems and repugs in Congress don't sign onto this ridiculous scheme. Think about it. We are getting ready to give $700 billion to the same captains who sunk all the ships and escaped on the only life rafts.
Alan MacDonald
Right on, Bernie.
What we're facing is a far bigger battle than the fleecing of this supposed 'bailout'.
What we are facing is the final showdown between the economic empire of ruling-elite financial royalists against the very concept of America's most innovative contribution to the world: democracy --- vs. the chance, with our courage, to finally complete the American Revolution against the rule of empire in all aspects of our lives and liberty.
Today we have the opportunity of finally achieving the successful completion of the American Revolution; where the triumph of real democracy, rather than empire, in how men govern themselves, addresses the inexorably combined power of our indivisible political economy.
The good news of this epic crisis is that the real American innovation of democracy will finally (after 232 years) be applied to both the realms of political and economic self-governance, rather than only to the political sphere --- because empire, left alone in the economic sphere, has been perverting and trying to overthrow democracy since 1776.
This is not a choice between 'free market democracy' (which is only a PR lie told by the 'corporatist Empire') and the scare term of 'socialism' --- but rather the long-delayed, final battle of the American Revolution, between democratic self-governance in the unified political economy of our country, or an economic empire of their corporatist/fascist elite metastasizing from the economic realm to the political realm and the whole of our society.
Bring America Back !!!!
* To quote another blogger=="Bushwhacked Again" !! Just as 2003 was the 'military shock & awe' to Iraq, so the Big Bailout is the 'financial shock & awe, to the pockets of the Taxpayers.
* As the article states==We were told by King Bush himself
that the Economy was and is "Robust"--then He appears on
the way out of Office crying that the Economy is Bankrupt !
* This is a gift from the King to his Neocon Bankers,
just as War on Iraq was a gift to his Neocon Base
Big Oil Supporters !!!! Every penny of the Big Oil
Windfall Profits==Hundreds of Billions of $$$ should be
mandated to return to the Treasury to offset this
Administration's fraudulent Bailouts !!!!
* No golden parachutes for these conniving CEO"s==make
them all return their retirement benefits to the US Treasury==their Bonuses==their Stock Options==no profits should accrue to these Total Failures !! Make them Pay !
When I worked with computers, I began to notice the word "ROBUST" suddenly emerged as a popular, and meaningless, sales description of software packages. After a while it showed up so much that I began to suspect that it was a focus group tested word.
Since then when I hear it in politics, I know that some psychologically tested BS manipulation is to follow. Like touching the face can signal a lie, the word "robust" signals a purveyor of nonsense.
Bernie Sanders pretends to be a Socialist (gulp) but votes with Jellocrats 98% of the time. He's in fact the typical Democrat bastard, you know, the one who sounds outraged about a bill but will probably vote for it anyway. His word is worth zero.
And his Vermont Democratic voters? Just like the rest of the Democrats in the US: you'll never find a more wretched hive of stupidity and blindness.
I've lived in Vermont for most of my life and for all of Bernie's VT career. tetti_tatti you don't know what you're talking about. Bernie, while certainly a flawed human being like everyone else, actually does speak truth to power more than anyone in Congress with the exception of Dennis Kucinich. Bernie does vote against much of the democrat BS. Have you bothered to read his response to this fake crisis or are you knee-jerking your reaction?
I need to scream right now. I am so MAD at Democrats, Obama supporters - they just don't get it! If I hear one more time how Ralph Nader stole the 2000 election and he is such a huge egotist, blah, blah, blah... They have bought into this myth that we have a two-party only system, anyone who votes outside of it is the crazy one, the way to get a progressive majority is to somehow take over the Democratic party within. When I list all of the reasons I will not and cannot vote for Obama, they say they agree with me but I am not being a realist. Don't I know that McCain is SCARY?? Democrats are fear based, which is why they capitulate on every single issue. I just read a book on Obama's ideas, core beliefs, and plans - he is essentially Republican-lite, and most of his ideas are watered down liberalism, not progressive. The real crazy idea is that he can be persuaded to stop his insane rightward tilt ONCE he is elected! I simply can't forgive Democrats today for their stupidity. Watch them roll over on this issue, too.
I feel sorry for you Americans. You lost most of your constitutional rights under your current government and now this: Another 'Big Lie' to permit 'Georgie and the Shysters' to defraud you of a cool trillion. Do you really believe that's going to help the American economy? To pile on a huge debt and pretty well guarantee higher inflation while sucking money out of the consumers' pockets?
Why aren't you protesting in the streets? This sort of theft brings to mind that old saying,
'NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION'
Didn't you people fight a war with England over that?
This Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, former chairman of Goldman Sachs who made 38 million last year is somebody you can trust?
If I were an American, I'd be right pissed off.
Here's a link to 'Ten Reasons Why Bush's Bailout is Larceny.'
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/36192
LeeAnnG
Great comment! Yes, this is definitely taxation without representation. At least I know I am not represented due to my "ownership" of any of the economic bubble that has finally burst.
I caught a few minutes of CNN this morning while getting ready to go to work. The Senator from South Carolina (whose name I can't remember, but he was a Republican, naturally) was pontificating about how the government had ruined the free market with its regulations and control. He said that it was government student loans and government mandates to give loans to people who couldn't afford them that created the problem. Yikes!
He also did say that the government should step aside and let the market "fix itself." He did not have a plan as to how this would occur, but he was totally against the bailout. It was very, very surrealistic. I agreed with his position against the bailout (for different reasons, of course), but disagreed with virtually every other word that came out of his mouth. He seemed totally clueless. He said that the greed on Wall Street was a direct result of government interference, and that left to its own devices, the market would regulate itself. Greed would, apparently, be eliminated by the workings of capitalism. Who knew?
Oh. My. God. How do morons like this ever get into positions of power?
I do not know why the American people have become so cowed. Maybe everyone is stil afraid of getting blown up. Whiel understandable , to a point, why worry about that when yu can stay home with your heat off thsi winter, no food in your cupboard, no health care--and you can freeze, starve or die of some curable illness??
Personally, I'd rather get blown up. It's probably less painful. And, at least we could die trying.
Roady,
Protest in the streets?
People at the RNC were arrested in their homes by Shock Troops and charged with being Terrorists for considering protesting legally.
Every town in the US has SWAT teams and trigger happy cops with M-16's and 12 gauges 'patrolling,' just hoping they can find some sign of dissent.
If they do it's crushed. In my little town they busted someone for having a sticker on their car that was allegedly criminal in it's anti-sytem sentiments.
Protest? The unwritten rule of the streets is look at a cop sideways and get beaten, searched, jailed and charged with who knows what.
Assault on an Officer if they mark you up real bad. To cover their asses.
Protest. Yeah.
But you are 100% right Roady.
No he is not right. He runs off at the mouth because talk is cheap and that is is implication.
I could care less where he resides, but wherever it is, your turn is coming sweetpea.
Paulson and Company are anxious to stampede Congress into another "Don't read it, don't change it, don't discuss it... JUST PASS IT" fiasco akin to the Patriot Act and the War in Iraq.
Of course all of this is strangely reminiscent of the "S&L Crisis" of the '80's in which certain very wealthy people raked in MILLIONS... particularly the Bush family!
This has all been carefully engineered over the past decade... the steady de-regulation, the carefully designed mortgage instruments that could be sold by fly-by-night brokers who could melt into the woodwork after fleecing the flocks, and the major changes in bankruptcy laws which would prevent most people from holding on to any assets should the dominoes start to fall.
All it took was for the interest rates to go up a couple percent and the suckers would be stuck with house payments that were way out of reach... become buried in outrageous late fees and penalties... and the dominoes started their steady progression down the line... the vultures will now swoop down and pick the bones, and be fatter and richer than ever after the recovery.
McCain and Gramm played MAJOR roles in this one!
Now I know why we don't have money for universal health. Because that is a form of communism.
Just like trying to tax profits of corporations. Plain old communism.
However, bailing out and paying for the elite's plundering with our tax dollars is capitalism at its finest.
After all, they deserve additional $40 million dollar bonuses for the great job they are doing.
Really, get serious. If the war, the corporate corruption, the lack of universal health care, lack of impeachment isn't enough for you to get off your ass and consider the third parties, it will soon be too late for you to do anything but wallow in the mire of a morally, environmentally, and socially bankrupt country (it may already be too late).
Don't support the corporate elite or their candidates.
Vote third party, vote Nader or Green.
"By contrast, Paulson, the current treasury secretary, has called for broad general oversight by the Federal Reserve, with ad-hoc interventions as necessary. According to an official who has been privy to these debates, "Paulson's approach is a joke. The Fed has now extended the safety net to investment banks, private equity firms, and hedge funds. The real question is what kind of detailed public supervision will there be in exchange for these public benefits."
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=meet_the_next_treasury_secre...
George C. Brown - - Call it what you will, it is perfectly clear that in the last nearly 30 years, we have regressed to almost exactly the same place we were prior to the 1929 collapse. Some of the same recovery methods used in the '30's are applicable now (or nearly so). If the proposed "bailout" is adopted by the Congress, it must be done with specific conditions applied that will not further the unregulated shenanigans of the corporate and Wall Street speculators which will let them run rampant again playing with other's money while skimming off the top. Provisions must be included to help the folks at the bottom who could very well be the ones who might suffer the most if this mess continues (and there are too many already who are in this shape).
Another related situation (though largely ignored in all this discussion) is the tremendous cost of the so-called "War on Terror); from the totally ingenuous premptive military excursion into Iraq, to the failed (or is it ignored) attempt to take out Osama Bin Laden, or to adequately handle the situation in Afghanistan when the re-emergence of the Taliban could have been prevented. All of which, paranthetically seems to me to call for a critical and thorough Federal investigation (with sub poena power, sworn and open testimony under oath) of the 9/11 attacks, paying particular attention to whether and how these three items might be inter-related and/or connectd in any way to the current Administration, their dawdling and refusal to act quickly and decisively in this regard after the attacks (as well as with regard to the warings they received before the attacks).
While I do not classify myself as a "conservative", let's not confuse true fiscal conservatives with the neo-conservatives who are running things now under the influence of the economic school of thought of the late Milton Friedman and his historically failed theory of "Disaster Capitalism". If you want the low-down of how that works read "Shock Doctrine" by naomi Klein.
If McCain/Palin win in November we will have MOS. If Obama wins, we have to hope he will have the wisdom to have Robert Reich as his top financial advisor and that the Wall Street and "De-Regulation" and "Socialism for the Rich" will be collectively given the boot! In the interim between crisis and full recovery, there are plenty of 21st century public workfare projects on which to work, like energy independence, hurricane recovery, all kinds of pollution reduction work, etc.
And by the way: If $700 billion is added to the Federal deficit, it will overnight go from $10.6 billion to 11.3 billion. And of this total, approximately $3 trillion is directly related to the Iraq War, yet there are very few who are bold enough to talk about the part this travesty this action has had upon our economy (and with little of that $3 trillion going toward the assistance of restoring Iraqi infrastructure we have destroyed - - we'd rather spend most of those funds on the new Embassy in the Green Zone [the world's largest and most opulent] and on indepaendent contractors who help bleed our Treasury dry).
If an Obama administration can't correct these problems, then I'm afraid it becomes time for a Revolution to restore sanity. Hopefully it will be a peaceful one based upon reason and wisdom instead of greed!
snydly
Want to see the world economy turn around and be prosperous and happy???
Convey to Congress your desire that these psychos from Bush through Wolfowitz be put in the slammer. Confiscate their assets and the assets of scammer cronies. Nationalize and freeze the assets of the oil companies and war profiteers.
Some say that Treasury isn't even part of the gov't!!!
$700B???------NUTS!!!!
Read about DTCC. They have all the real assets. And the world does not know. It would be great if someone could get some updated inside info on these guys. The cabal takes the money and runs, and leaves us under martial law - forget the elections.
http://ming.tv/flemming2.php/__show_article/_a000010-000923.htm
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/22/headlines
(the above site from Nannie on Sept 22nd (related commondreams article)
Read about DTCC. They have all the real assets. And the world does not know. It would be great if someone could get some updated inside info on these guys. The cabal takes the money and runs, and leaves us under martial law - forget the elections.
http://ming.tv/flemming2.php/__show_article/_a000010-000923.htm
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/22/headlines
(the above site from Nannie on Sept 22nd (related commondreams article)
She's right here:
FREE MARKET IDEOLOGY IS FAR FROM FINISHED
"But with Wall Street rescued by government intervention, there's never been a better time to argue for collectivist solutions"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/19/marketturmoil.usa
This mess started BEFORE Reagan. I remember in !!! 1970 !!! hearing minor administrators in my company joke about "privatizing the gains, socializing the losses, har har har" and they were in a company that counted on government money to operate.
Further - it's time somebody said this; I don't know why it hasn't been said yet.
This crisis is DELIBERATE. No accident. On purpose. Strategic. Preplanned. Intended all along. A way to siphon money out of the middle and working classes. But only one way.
Proof? the "bipartisan" decision to fork over bales of bailout funds without demanding any restructuring or oversight. That was your money, folks!
Where's Naomi? Somebody get her in here!
This whole mess started with a republican administration, that is the Reagan Administration. First it was spend,spend and more spending, a national debt in 1980 of 980 billion dollars, start deregulating and cut taxes to promote growth. By the end of his term the Resolution Trust Corporation was formed to bailout the banks that made tons of bad loans just as they have done again now. I know people who back in 1991 bought properties some as low 7.5 cents on the dollar and now these bastards want to do it again.
The Bush Administration has systematically took this country apart. Spend spend and more spending on an unjust war while cutting taxes for the rich and now wants to bail there asses out, pardon my french but f%#$ him. It seems to me that every time a republican gets in they rob until they can`t rob anymore. Atleast when Clinton was in office the economy grew and created 22 million jobs while raising taxes and paying down the national debt we were on the right track.
The Republicans have cried wolf too many times now, the Russians seeing how weak we are taking advantage of the situation , the invasion of Georgia, military alliance with Venezuela, challenging us on Iran and I only wonder what is next. The Chinese are aquiring military secrets from us at an unprecedented rate.
The Republicans are destroying this country and we must start taking back our country or we will be speaking not only spanish but chinese and russian.
Speaking of Chinese, we're borrowing from them big time. With all those military secrets they acquired, they pretty have this country right where they can shackle her. Lord help us !
Frankly, I believe they have to get rid of money as a means of exchange. They have to get rid of a system that creates MONEY out of nothing just because someone has MONEY.
They have to implement a system that rewards labor and Conservation more then it rewards the buying and selling of pieces of paper and consumption.
How can one value capital over labor when all capital is created by labor? This is what I don't understand about these people's thinking with all their free market ideals
How can one value capital over labor when all capital is created by labor? This is what I don't understand about these people's thinking with all their free market ideals
Next , use the Patriot Act and Warrant less surveillance on the Banking industry executives to find out what they are doing and stop the pilfering of out financial system.
God , I miss our Constitution.
BornFreeMen
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, like rival John McCain, has yet to take a stand one way of the other...
-now why doesn't this come as a shock?
These are the last days of the Bush Administration, the most dishonest and incompetent in modern American history.
-okay and what happened to the "opposition party" AWOL?
Bernie Sanders serves the same purpose that Dennis Kucinich serves, a decoy to allow DPAs to claim not all Democrats are not all bad. Maybe that's true but the majority are corrupt bastards, no doubt. If they weren't why isn't Dennis Kucinich their leader instead of Nancy Pelosi? Why aren't Dennis Kucinich and Bernie Sanders Democratic on the ticket instead of centrist Obama and warmonger Biden? Could it be that Democrats don't really support progressives? Could it be they just play lip service?
On the really big issues Dems and Pugs are in agreement. They only differ on the details. Will the wars/occupations continue under a Dem or a Pug? Definately. Will the corrupt banking institutions be bailed out and the perpetrators be rewarded with millions of dollars? Absolutely. Will the Dems give us single-payer health care? Definitely not. Dems and Pugs agree we can't afford single payer but we can certainly afford to bail out the rich. And that's the truth!
Yes, after voting half of my life for Dems, I can tell you--it is only lip service. The Dems have taken progresive completely for granted./
It's not that the Dems havent done what Obama is now doing before--it is just tht I have never seen it done with such remarkable speed and apparent relish! In teh primary, Obama was "anti-war, pro health care for all, pro reversing hte tax cuts,anti executive (or other) orders and permission for spying, etc."
At least Kerry waited for the general eelction. Obama was like---WWHOOSH! I'm sure his advisers told him, "WTH, are progressives gonna go for McCain??".
Obama may not have directly done the pitting of race/sex/class (hear me out and think about, histrionics for Obama)--but he certainly did nothing to stop it. Neither did Dean. Our friends at The Nation, MoJo, and , hell even CP-USA ( Communist) all backed Obama "with caveats".(The true socialist parties mostly do not)
In the primary, anyone who denies that there was sexism, is a mysoginist. I could give many quotes, but some neo-liberal women wer the worst. Maureen Dowd, who seems to have totally lost her fricking mind--called Obama the "blessed child--he's not black, he's not white". Roy Secuf of HuffPo said that Clinton was a "runner-up in a beauty pageant, waiting backstage for hte nude photo ops". (????) Randi Rhodes called Clinton a "fu*cking wh*re". (Does she really think Clinton sells herself? A "bitch" might have been her opinion, at least!)
Matthews and Olbermann at MSNBC, spent alot of time telling people how stupid, uneducated, and racist peoel were if they didnt immediatley back Obama. This set the entire Dem Party up for race/class warfare. And, boy , did it work! "Working class whites" became a slur, almost like the "n-word". The Dems have had trouble with the labor classes for decades, and this was a particualrly stupid move.
I think that the primary was to long, and the general eleciton too short. We have not seen one debate between the two major candidates yet. I think, that the 50-state campaign was carried too far. States go by the electoral college over the popualr vote (as we have learned to our dismay). I think that for Obama to spend more time in Missississi or Georiga than Pennsylavania was not wise. Hell, all the Dems had to do was offer the workign classes a few concessions--most are struggling in a ways that few US really understand. They claim to back the uS feeble unions--but there is no call for single payer health care ( although, even in Ohio, 67% support it, even if it causes a tax increase), little call for reversing tax cuts ($250,000??!! The median income in the uS is about $40-50,000!!). Lately Obama has said that it "might take ten years to implement, so people could plan" (???)and has even talked of not doing it atall.
The GOP had run out of issues. Most abortion foes (except single issue voters) had to admit that the GOp wasnt going to do anything about Roe v. Wade--they still never will. They pretty much used up "good will" on the gay marriage ban (it was already not legal, dumbasses--but it shoudl be. I have no idea why it is any of our business) The "freemkt" crap is proved a fantasy (more like a capitslist's wet dream). They never were much good at getting ht Af. Am. vote--and the Dems might run an Af. Am.!! What to do!! Let's see--Clinton seems o be appealing to labor class whites. Let's pit poor whites agianst Af. Ams.
Works every time. I had written a letter to the editor at a local paper, begging peoel to not let this happen.It was taken as a racist letter ( I never did figure that out) I could probably find it online atnd post it, but I basically said what i said here. I think that alot of rich whties wanted to prove their progressive attitudes. Hence, neo-liberals.
The Dem Party has done this to themselves. They keep nominating centrists and the progresive keep playing along. Why shoul they change?
Well, this year, lets give them a reason to.
I do understand the Af. Am. desire to have a president of their racial heritage. But, it Obama really "the one", as Oprah called him? If he is the only Af.Am. that can get elected, then maybe we have to look at that more closely and figure out why. AND do something to facilitate changes in race and class structure.Let's make the candidate earn our vote for a change.
Ric-- Robert Scheer on "Democracy Now" today: "... And then, in 2000, hours before the Christmas break, [Phil] Gramm introduced legislation. [...] they allowed these mergers, and as a result, they could buy insurance on it, they could do these swaps, they could do what they call hybrid instruments. And it is legislation that was never discussed, was—never had hearings or anything, says that all of this stuff is exempted from all previous regulation. The SEC cannot regulate it, the Commodity Futures Board cannot regulate it.
So they gave these institutions, of which Goldman Sachs was critical—so was Citigroup, where Robert Rubin, who was Clinton’s Treasury secretary, he had also come from Goldman Sachs. And, by the way, even though this is Republican-led, there were plenty of Democrats, in fact, a majority of Democrats, who voted for this. And Robert Rubin, who unfortunately is advising Barack Obama—I don’t know how this guy can wake up and—you know, and not be embarrassed and how he can appear on television—and Lawrence Summers, these are the two guys in the Clinton administration who teamed up with Phil Gramm to pass that atrocious legislation..."
Thanks Little Brother I actually heard that this morning on Pacifica. The problem is that Scheer sounded like a DPA in that he is advocating for voting for Obama. He was pretty on the money otherwise. Scheer said all the right things but came up with the wrong conclusion. Vote for a Democrat? Vote for Obama?
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/sep2008/econ-s20.shtml
The presidential candidates of both major parties, Republican Senator John McCain and Democratic Senator Barack Obama, quickly signaled their support for the wholesale bailout of the banks and big investors, and prominent congressional Democrats issued assurances that they would obey the demands of Paulson, Federal Reserve Board Chairman Ben Bernanke and Bush and pass the required legislation by the end of next week.
The immediate line-up of both parties and the media behind the bailout plan for Wall Street stands in the starkest contrast to their indifference and inaction in regard to the plight of millions of American working people, who face a rising tide of home foreclosures, layoffs and sinking living standards. When it comes to the social needs of the people, the universal cry from corporate America and the two parties is, “There is no money,” but when the fortunes of the financial elite are threatened, the full power of the government and unlimited resources are marshaled virtually at a moment’s notice.
"Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency." This is in the bail-out bill (see HuffingtonPost). This is the meat of the story of the bill.
Taxpayers are in the process of being stuck with the biggest bill in the history of this country, and there will be no one held accountable if it turns out badly. There will be no one held accountable for the calculation, for the selection or quantity of each disbursement, for accounting for the expenditures. No one is even going to get to check the math!
How can you trust HuffingtonPost to be accurate? That website supports Obama. (oh and by the way it has about 5,000 times the readership of CD.)
I guess people would rather read positive stories about Obama than read about Ralph Nader
The 700 billion dollar Trojan horse has been pulled up to the Wall street gates.
Will the congress obey the constitution or not.
Its hard to believe that Republicans would be stead fast against this rescue.
They actually are trying to blame Democrats for easing regulation which allowed these Banking and Corporate fat cats to prey on the American public's wallet.
The FEDs motto ,100 % guarantee or your money back.
Like , how many left wing liberals do you know run large banks?
Well , to add insult to injury, Republicans want to blame the American public for being irresponsible for taking the loans.
And now, Republicans would have you believe that they are against the bail out.
If only Shakespeare were alive.What folly wouldst he derive from our elected officials.
" Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. "
"To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."
There was plenty of money for the Military industrial Complex for two illegal wars against two sovereign nations.
Maybe there wont be enough left over after the bail out, hey Republicans ,your other fat cat buddy's are calling for your help.
BornFreeMen
Henry Merritt "Hank" Paulson Jr. as Treasury Secretary reminds me of Donald Henry Rumsfeld when he was defense Secretary
Jim Galbraith: How will the Wall Street bailout affect our children?
Jim Galbraith — 9/22/2008 5:28 am
Dear Editor:
I really have some problems with this big bailout that is making headlines and saving Wall Street. How can we take "billions of bad loans off the balance sheets of the U.S'.s biggest financial institutions," and put all these bad loans on our government's balance sheet without risking the bankruptcy of our own government?
You guys are informed, and know what is going on, so maybe you can answer a couple questions for me.
If these loans, based on a collapsing housing market, fall further, will this increase our national deficit even further? Or do we have a commitment from the Federal Reserve to keep interest rates on mortgages so low that it will bail out the American home buyer with inflation?
Is it true that each American family of three owes $90,000 on top of all the other money they owe just to cover the current federal deficit? Are we participating in the bankruptcy of America on behalf of Wall Street billionaires?
I'm really confused about this. I understand how the Republicans are trying to bankrupt America to get rid of government. But why would Democrats vote for such a thing?
Could you shed some light on this, or are you people, and economists, as confused as I am?
Please tell me what is going on. My children's future depends on this.
Jim Galbraith
Madison
Tax the rich and give to the poor.
Even with Sen. Sanders' amendments to (at least the likely version of) the proposed bailout legislation, the net effect will be to -as Bernie himself acknowledges- transfer huge amounts of public wealth (taxpayer dollars) to private financial institutions.
While an argument can be made for government rescuing the mortages of middle-to-lower income homeowners and small businesses, no such argument can be made for bailing out the institutional speculators and deeply embeddded profiteers.
The legislative rescue should far more strictly 'umbrella' the average citizen mortgage victims under a mechanism that is, wherever feasible, totally de-linked from the institutions of credit and finance whose practices caused the mortage aspect of the larger crisis -- and then stop there; do no more.
Any resulting meltdown in the financial and credit sectors should and could then be welcomed by the US public.
Such a legislatively-enabled meltdown would help protect the least greedy victims, while it also helped to creatively destroy the most greedy perps -- hoisting them by their own petards.
In addition, a lesson from the Great Depression might be re-learned under such a scenario, by an always-guillible capitalist public: There is no free lunch for You, the average wage earner; but You provide free lunches for capital speculators every time you fail to demand democratic regulation of them.
Of course, the current structural crisis isn't going to be resolved in any transcendant way this time. Even Bernie Sanders seems resigned to that.
Too many average folks remain too fearful, too ignorant, too greedy themselves, and as-yet too unburned by their own hypnosis to yield thoughtful change.
Elitist blackmail will work once again: The victims will again bailout the perps - via trying to save themselves.
Maybe next time, with more compression.
wsws,
"We must retain the capacity to swiftly defeat any conventional threat to our country and our vital interests."
It is the "our the vital interests" part that worries me.
America really must be infinitely rich to keep on finding incomprehensible amounts of money to bail out every incompetent and greedily run institution, and allow the corruptly useless managements of same to run off with millions for themselves into the bargain.
The story I read that repossessed people are living in tent cities simply cannot be true. Such profligate wealth!
great article, but I'm surprised he didn't mention the need to reinstate the Glass-Steagall Act that was deregulated in the Graham-Leach-Bilet Act and signed by Clinton.
If you look at what GoldmanSachs and Morgan Stanely are doing, it's essentially a voluntary return to the Act.
The Act prohibits a bank holding company from owning other financial companies.
The argument for preserving Glass-Steagall (as written in 1987):
1. Conflicts of interest characterize the granting of credit – lending – and the use of credit – investing – by the same entity, which led to abuses that originally produced the Act
2. Depository institutions possess enormous financial power, by virtue of their control of other people’s money; its extent must be limited to ensure soundness and competition in the market for funds, whether loans or investments.
3. Securities activities can be risky, leading to enormous losses. Such losses could threaten the integrity of deposits. In turn, the Government insures deposits and could be required to pay large sums if depository institutions were to collapse as the result of securities losses.
4. Depository institutions are supposed to be managed to limit risk. Their managers thus may not be conditioned to operate prudently in more speculative securities businesses. An example is the crash of real estate investment trusts sponsored by bank holding companies (in the 1970s and 1980s).
The argument against preserving the Act (as written in 1987):
1. Depository institutions will now operate in “deregulated” financial markets in which distinctions between loans, securities, and deposits are not well drawn. They are losing market shares to securities firms that are not so strictly regulated, and to foreign financial institutions operating without much restriction from the Act.
2. Conflicts of interest can be prevented by enforcing legislation against them, and by separating the lending and credit functions through forming distinctly separate subsidiaries of financial firms.
3. The securities activities that depository institutions are seeking are both low-risk by their very nature, and would reduce the total risk of organizations offering them – by diversification.
4. In much of the rest of the world, depository institutions operate simultaneously and successfully in both banking and securities markets. Lessons learned from their experience can be applied to our national financial structure and regulation.
So what is this going to look like? Will there now be a Department of Home Repossession? Will they have uniforms? Will they have clipboards with government guidelines for tossing your family into the street? Will selected residential lots now be fenced off with American flags and yard signs that say: US Government Property - Keep Off?
Here is what we need to watch for. When this bailout package appears certain, the same sleaze bags that profited from the sub-prime sell jobs will scramble to acquire properties that either are in foreclosure or in danger of being foreclosed. Once the properties are picked up, the value of the packages will be "adjusted" (inflated) and then sold to the government. The opportunity for hanky-panky is endless. Anyone who believes there is a human on this earth sharp enough to figure out who owns many of the properties in question and what they are worth, is truly a nut-job.
A few questions for the supporters of a "quick and clean bill". Who is going to pay for repairs to the significant number of residences that have been stripped, partially destroyed and abandoned? Is the cost going to be the responsibility of the cities in which they are located? Is there someone in the government who believes millions of homes can be acquired and those properties will repair and protect themselves? It might be great for the unemployment situation. Put a few million guards to work. You know, 3 shifts, 24/7, for years. Or maybe it will fall to overloaded city police departments to provide security/protection for abandoned properties owned by the US government. Great opportunity for Black Water to make the Iraq-U.S. transition. What a lovely way for Cheney and Bush to exit stage-left. OOOOPS! Excuse me, stage right.
How about this? Congress gives Paulson permission and funding to proceed for two months with the provision that further funding would be subject to subsequent legislation protecting the interests of the taxpayers and homeowners facing foreclosure.
Or, here's a thought: Go to Iraq and exhume Sadam, reconstitute him and put him in charge. I bet he could get this mess straightened out in short order. Of course he would probably find a new, and appropriate, use of that dungeon down in Cuba.
No, JN, here's what BO and the Dems should be saying:
This year, so far, Fed "bail outs" will cost each and every taxpayer at least $25,000, not including interest, and assuming "the most dishonest and incompetent administration in modern American history" isn't lying about the numbers (which, of course, they surely are.)
We're sorry for f**king all taxpayers up the ass. Really, this time, we mean it. We went too far - we only meant to f**k you out of most of your money, not all of it, and all of your kids' money, and their kids' too.
So, first, we're putting all the bribes - er, contributions - received from the Wall Street criminals into an escrow account earmarked to help those robbed by the mortgage thieves and stock market bandits.
Second, we will demand the Justice Dept and state attorney generals launch criminal investigations immediately, and will insist that RICO Act charges be brought against any and all persons and corporations, where supported by the evidence. Meanwhile, the assets of ALL SUSPECTS will be frozen.
And, finally, all of us who were tasked to - but seriously failed to - oversee and protect the health and welfare of ALL Americans quit, and will be dedicating the rest of our lives to non-profit causes.
Again, sorry for the royally ass-f**king, and may God look the other way and continue to bless the USA...
That's a start.
Sept 21 Greed Is The Seed
The present Wall Street situation underscores the unregulated system that is called market forces. There are no such things as " The so called "Free Market" it is a euphemism, a fabrication for the rich and powerful. It is a means for them to be able to do just as they wish with out regulation. " Greed is the seed and the sickness of most men's souls."
It is time for a change in the American system to use the best aspects of all economic systems including those that use some social ideas. This Capitalist sickness called "free market" is free to bankrupt America and the world. This gambling casino must stop! Financial controls are in order and the sooner the better. It is necessary to give abusers life sentences for white-collar criminals.
The government picks of the costs of the greed from these "free marketers" and that becomes socialism if any body is watching. Americans pay for it two ways first with exorbitant costs of failing mega- business than the cost of bailing them out when they have become too large and mismanaged by the CEO's as we have seen with Enron and so many others in the banking and saving and loan scandals. At the same time the mergers have cost Americans so many jobs in terms of so-called efficiency and economies of scale, created as a result of mergers. Not to mention the jobs shipped out of the country as a result of the desire to increase profits using third world labor.
Its time for the American people to get it, the entire system must be changed its all corrupt and it starts with the people you elect! It is they who are in collusion with business. The costs of pay packages of the managers who have no special rights to the amount of money they are given is picked up by the poor working people of the USA.
It is time to revamp both the political and economic system of the USA. Time to stop this system with its closed world of the rich out of control and to save the planet and the world-system that is melting down due to all of this uncaring greed.
All this, while at the same time sending the poor young people of the USA to die for these corrupt managers and a corrupt ideal, calling it patriotism since they are sent to die for an oil war. Terrorism? The terrorists exist at the very top of the American business ruling class. It is they and the munitions manufactures that have concocted this disaster called the American way.
Its time for Americans to join together and stop all the above with a national strike! Vote out every long-sitting corrupt politician . . .new, young, ethical people are required to run this country.
I was reading one of the CEO's, forgot who now, that just ran his bank into the dirt, made 354 million dollars in doing so. Imagine how much work would have been done if that 300+ million dollars was spent paying 7000 workers $50,000 a piece. We might have enough wind energy facilities to power the Eastern US.
rocyahsoul@yahoo.com
www.lamegame.name
Daniel Vincent Kelley
I agree completely Mr. Kelley
Good practical suggestions. When will we EVER see criminal proceedings against an entire MAFIA posing as government-media?
"The government bailout of business cannot be used as an excuse to rob us of Social Security, Medicare, the coming of Universal Health Care for all Americans, Public Education Institutions, etc.
Please speak to this and ask others to do this as well.
Forewarned is forearmed.
Call your representative in Washington today"
&YYY&
Vladimir Putin had an attitude towards oil and power speculators. Throw them into prison and take their assets (and not their debts).
The House had the chance to Impeach and the Senate had the chance to Convict but
they refused to act by putting it 'off' the table. Now our entire country is 'under' the table.
If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.
The government bailout of business cannot be used as an excuse to rob us of Social Security, Medicare, the coming of Universal Health Care for all Americans, Public Education Institutions, etc.
Please speak to this and ask others to do this as well.
Forewarned is forearmed.
Call your representative in Washington today
sanders and all the other mainstream lovelies are rushing to put more lipstick on that pig. discussion of the current crisis is useful only if it is basically about whether our means of production -- including our financial system -- are to be publicly or privately owned.
sometimes the simple truth sounds doctrinaire.
ike kay September 22nd, 2008 10:29 am
I find it extraordinary that with the entire future of the planet in the balance we have this person talking about electing Nader or McKinney. There is only one candidate in this so-called democracy to put your X next to. Its Obama. Like it or not, -I certainly don't like either party of entrenched power brokers who are dealing with the fait of humanity,- Obama can do the least damage and get the most accomplished. Neither of the other two WILL BE ABLE TO GET ANYTHING DONE. This system has been brought low by the fact that this form of government is not a Socialist democracy but a Capitalist democracy with a killer form of capitalism that is trying to kill its own people. Actually the USA is a Plutocracy.
This system in the USA requires an active supportive congress, regardless of the fact that most, if not all, are power brokers dealing with ways to take your money and use it for the advantage of the power elite rather than the public at large. At the very least Obama once knew what it was like to be poor. He did the right things to get where he has arrived. Whether his desire for stardom will be measured by the gravity of the office he wishes we will see, but at least he does not live the life of a military establishment figure. ENOUGH OF THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, although we get a different version of it with the DNC.
A vote for either Nader or McKinne will help elect Mccain and Palin, the most opportunistic and stupid choice a candidate ever made for the VP spot. McCain left his brains on the floor of his prison cell because one is a patriot born to an advantaged military family does not mean they are intelligent. I like both of these people Nader or McKinne but this is not the time for idealism it died with the defeat of Kerry. Nader helped elect Bush in 2004 and we have the possibility to see what that has accomplished for the world in retrospect.
Would this sort of intelligence,that of Mccain and Palin would anyone want to see this team achieve power? I have to question anyone's understanding of the American political scene who would support Nader as someone who lives in the world of the ideal rather than the world of reality.
AAAh yes...Please follow the colored lines and arrows. Each color has a different destination with the the same intent. If you run into difficulty following the lines, please call your representative. If the numbers are full, please call for a technician to reorder your packaging and presentation into an acceptable format. Remember to continue on the colored line that you began on. Deviation is a prohibited persuit. Good Luck and we thank you for your participation and patience.
Clunk...clunk. Please press #.
then do something about it, just don't keep talking!
I do but communication is the key and that is what do. I amke films about it!
Get your friends and neighbors to make films that get people to see what actions to take and how to take those actions once they see them. Keep up the good work.
From the blog by Larisa Alexandrovna
"The Treasury Secretary can buy broadly defined assets, on any terms he wants, he can hire anyone he wants to do it and can appoint private sector companies as financial deputies of the US government. And he can write whatever regulation he thinks are needed.
Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency."
Write, call, fax, email all appropriate people in congress ... and these videos are worth a few minutes consideration
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/2008/09/20.html
So, George runs another "company" into the dust, can't wait to not hear him on the talking circuit.Be prepared is still a good motto.
I am so angry right now I have to be careful with what I write! I am FED UP with all Obama supporters today. They are irrational and insane.
The best I can write is that since it is clear that the Democrats will catipulate on this issue, I HOPE that they will do so with plenty of safeguards and conditions. While I disagree with it all I am glad that I am hearing that Democrats are slowing down this process and realizing it is a greedy push for more power for the allready rich and powerful.
It's ok to be angry. Hell, I cuss out at the party and I have yet to get in trouble. CD hasn't deleted your posts, have they?
The Obama supporters are often as blind as the Bush/Mccain supporters. Sad, isn't it?
We know with 100% probability that the Republican or the Democrat's candidate this year shall become the president of the US of A on January 20th at noon in 2009.
Enough is enough. Smart talk and dreamy rhetoric will keep us writing here but will change nothing if we do not organize our neighbors to get out and demand universal health care, education, middle class wages for all workers, and time to spend with our families, friends and neighbors enjoying the fruits of our labor.
I'm making a choice to vote for Obama because he is the better choice and after this election and he is elected I will be working to make sure that we demand that he do, not what he said he would do, but rather what we need him to do. That is my yes we can message. We need to realize that the power to change our world is in our hands if we get out into the streets with our friends, families, and neighbors and demand that we are heard and satisfied. – Remy Germain
"Change will not come if we wait for some other person or if we wait for some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek." - June Jordan
P. S. Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are. - Augustine of Hippo
"I am so angry right now I have to be careful with what I write! I am FED UP with all Obama supporters today. They are irrational and insane."
Some are, most are not. Just like supporters of anyone else.
Yeah, well let me tell you something. South Carolina would have been a swing state if Obama hadn't shot his base out but now, he's sinking like Gore, Kerry, and even Dukakis for shooting the base out. When Obama LOSES, maybe then the blind Obama-bot ZOMBIES may get a fucking clue as to why their man LOST !
Hey, I just ran across this article on Huff-Post regarding the absolute non-negotiable, non-reviewable authority of the bail-out proposal.... The section 8 clause. I hope that my US reps have enough guts to review and amend the proposal before passing it into law....
Section 8 of proposal:
Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.
Also, we got into this mess by trading in debt, It's like expecting debt to generate money.... People have debt precisely because they have no money... It's as abstract as trying to sell the hole of a bagel.... and then trying to figure out the ways to package that hole so that it looks like a bagel instead of a hole and then dividing the hole by an abstract number to arrive at the derivitive for a bagel hole, and then selling a portion of the repackaged holes to bankers who obviously don't know the difference between a bagle and a hole.
Kinda reminds me of the day when we used to step on the horse and sell the s*#t. Makes me wonder if investment bankers aren't just another kind of drug dealer.... I mean all of the tons of coke being smuggled are backed by somebody's big money...
Section 8 of proposal:
"Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency."
Ha! How very apropos. For anyone who has never served in armed forces... a "Section 8" is a discharge from the military for being mentally unfit.
We need to Section 8 all of CheneyOilCo's RICO buddies and institutionalize them until they have proven that they are harmless to America.
Dangerous Sociopathic Maniacs!
Highly addictive substances are good business. Especially if the market can be monopolized as government restriction provides the facility. Cocaine as an example is, by the drug war, inflated more than 2000 times over it's natural price. Drugs are a multibillion per year industry. What multibillion dollar industry isn't owned by multibillionaires? Colombian multimillionaires are not the big money makers in the drug industry. It's the receivers within US borders that make the big cash. They are always so far removed from the trade that they're never held accountable. Plus they control the police at the administrative level, ensuring their contraband is very rarely detected. The CIA, and who knows what other spy agencies, conduct their "black operations" on funding gained by drug sales. Drugs in the US are primarily a problem caused by the CIA, the Cops and some multibillionaires that no one in the whole chain knows who they are. The multibillionaires will have a criminal paid to shoot a cop dead if the cop leans antidrug. The senior cops know this and wouldn't consider tempting their fate by turning from the corruption. The CIA recruits satanists, hedonists, masochists, power freaks and anyone who has not any compunction toward morality.
rocyahsoul@yahoo.com
www.lamegame.name
Daniel Vincent Kelley
KCThompson--I agree, but most drug dealers care more about their customers.
Fuck Bernie Sanders and the rest of the democrats. They are no better than the republicans. Where were these great democrat reformers the last few years when they could have done something to avert this financial crisis?
They remind me of the sports announcer who never played the game saying "he would like to have that one back" after the quarterback throws an interception.
I'm not saying the republicans are any better because they are all a bunch of crooks.
We know with 100% probability that the Republican or the Democrat's candidate this year