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Bernie Sanders: Bailout Transfers Wealth - Upward
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, like rival John McCain, has yet to take a stand one way of the other on the proposal to have U.S. taxpayers bail out the worst players in the U.S. financial system with a scheme to buy up $700 billion worth of bad loans.
Obama calls McCain "the great deregulator" and warned that the Republican would do to the health care system what had been done to the banking.
McCain's campaign called Obama a "directionless driver" on the economy.
Obama was for helping Wall Street and Main Street, which was better than just helping Wall Street... but not much, when you consider that Main Street rarely wins these wrestling matches. McCain was for keeping "people in their homes and (safeguarding) the life savings of all Americans by protecting our financial system and capital markets," which is this week's variation on the "sound economy" in "crisis" dichotomy of last week.
But neither candidate took a clear stand on the proposal that's being placed on the table.
So what should the contenders -- especially Obama -- be saying?
How about borrowing a page from Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, who served as a member of the House banking committee before his election to the Senate, where he is now a member of the budget committee.
Sanders actually understands how the current crisis got started.
And the independent senator understands that what is being proposed by the Washington and Wall Street mandarins who got us into this mess as a fix is actually bad policy on steroids.
Here's what Sanders says -- and what Obama and the Democrats should be saying:
For years, as a member of the House Banking Committee and now as a member of the Senate Budget Committee, I have heard the Bush Administration tell us how "robust" our economy was and how strong the "fundamentals" were. That was until a few days ago. Now, we are being told that if Congress does not act immediately and approve the $700 billion Wall Street bailout proposal these "free marketers" have just written up, there will be an unprecedented economic meltdown in the United States and an unraveling of the global economy.This proposal as presented is an unacceptable attempt to force middle income families (and our children) to pick up the cost of fixing the horrendous economic mess that is the product of the Bush Administration's deregulatory fever and Wall Street's insatiable greed. If the potential danger to our economy was not so dire, this blatant effort to essentially transfer $700 billion up the income ladder to those at the top would be laughable.
Let us be clear. If the economy is on the edge of collapse we need to act. But rescuing the economy does not mean we have to just give away $700 billion of taxpayer money to the banks. (In truth, it could be much more than $700 billion. The bill only says the government is limited to having $700 billion outstanding at any time. By selling the mortgage backed assets it acquires -- even at staggering losses -- the government will be able to buy even more resulting is a virtually limitless financial exposure on the part of taxpayers.) Any proposal must protect middle income and working families from bearing the burden of this bailout.
I have proposed a three part plan to accomplish that goal which includes a five-year, 10% surtax on the income of individuals above $500,000 a year, and $1 million a year for couples; a requirement that the price the government pays for any mortgage assets are discounted appropriately so that government can recover the amount it paid for them; and, finally, the government should receive equity in the companies it bails out so that when the stock of these companies rises after the bailout, taxpayers also have the opportunity to share in the resulting windfall. Taken together, these measures would provide the best guarantee that at the end of five years, the government will have gotten back the money it put out.
Second, in addition to protecting the average American from being saddled with the cost, any serious proposal has to include reforms so that we end the type of behavior that led to this crisis in the first place. Much of this activity can be traced to specific legislation that broke down regulatory safety walls in the financial sector and allowed banks and others to engage in new types of risky transactions that are at the heart of this crisis. That deregulation needs to be repealed. Wall Street has shown it cannot be trusted to police itself. We need to reinstate a strong regulatory system that protects our economy.
Third, we need to address the needs of working families in this country who are today facing very difficult times. If we can bail out Wall Street, we need to respond with equal vigor to their plight. That means, for example, creating millions of jobs through major investments in rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure and creating a new renewable energy system. We must also make certain that the most vulnerable Americans don't freeze in the winter or die because they lack access to primary health care.
Finally, we need to protect ourselves from being at the mercy of giant companies that are "too big to fail," that is, companies who are so large that their failure would cause systemic harm to the economy. We need to assess which companies fall into this category and insist they are broken up. Otherwise, the American taxpayer will continue to be on the financial hook for the risky behavior, the mismanagement, and even the illegal conduct of these companies' executives.
These are the last days of the Bush Administration, the most dishonest and incompetent in modern American history. It is imperative that, at this important moment, Congress stand up for the middle class and for fiscal integrity. The future of our country is at stake.



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Show AllGet all the CEOs to chip in out of their outrageous severence/pension packages. OR, get some of that bullion that's SUPPOSED to be sitting in Ft Knox.
Sioux Rose
Sander's plan is solid and I hope it's given genuine consideration. Now our nation is a casebook study in what happens when domestic matters & infrastructure are ignored, so that fighting a war of conquest abroad is favored to the point the treasury is eviscerated and the expected booty doesn't begin to pick up the tab for either aggression afar or necessities at home. An example of more failed leadership on so grand a scale would be difficult to come by, and mankind has been keeping note(s) for at least 3000 years. You've done a heckova job, Bushie.
Why . . . why. . .why, we have been Bushwhacked again and again and now for another 700 billion or more. It will never end with the war costs and the Wall Street costs.
Rather let the whole thing fail and pick up the pieces with a new social democracy that is people oriented and a new congress, the present one swept away. A global depression will be hard but the up-side is it will put the brakes on global warming and climate change. It will ease the debt for the future generations and I would be prepared to starve.
The facts are that if this 700 billion is approved as bail-out it's not for the average person who will benefit, despite what the economists are saying. It could create hyper inflation in the coming years as well as a dollar so low it would create oil prices in the upper reaches of reality, so be prepared to freeze in the dark in any case.
The entire executive branch should be in prison but we know that will never happen.
You are simply ignoring the fact that while Senator Sanders would provide a few more levers, he is still backing the bailout. Any accountant knows how to cook books. Those in Washington are experts in creative accounting. Bernie's plan looks "better" than that originally fronted as a salve for everything that hurts... but it is essential a backing of the plan to screw middle class Americans.
If we allow this insanity to go forward as anyone in "The Party" has proposed to date, taxpayers will be assaulted and abused... for decades. Don't get me wrong... I believe that Bernie has served America well on many occasions. But NOT this time. The Senator needs to resoundingly say "NO!!", and in a way that demonstrates his leadership and understanding of the needs of Americans... not corporations.
Anything else is a capitulation and a charade. Do NOT reward criminals... and what has transpired under both houses as evidenced by the full cooperation of most all within government, has been a cruel crime. Don't let them cover it up with this final CheneyOilCo assault on the middle class.
It's not rape if you don't say NO!
You are absolutely correct! For one year now Wall Street has been trying to place a value on these bundled mortgages and has failed to be able to do so. Now we are to assume that Congress can do what the money guys cannot?
I believe that the best strategy is to use that money to buy equity in those firms whose failure would seriously impact our economy ( and that of other nations as well). Let them keep their worthless paper and let them repay our loans with interest, while accepting regulation by our govt as well.
We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Goldman Sachs CEO gets $68 million bonus:
AIG CEO gets $8 million
(source: MarketWatch.com)
Morgan Stanley CEO gets $40 Million 2006 bonus
Get the picture? The CEO's pocket huge bonuses, the taxpayers pay for their multimillion dollar mansions, lear jets, Rolls Royce, etc.
Why would any country allow this? Except to preserve their own 401k retirement accounts. 75,000,000 Americans will be on Social Security in the year 2010.
Well, not anymore.
Tar and feathers sounds appropriate. Let's meet these guys for lunch.
And the CEOs of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac walked away with $23 million.
The US Government should be nationalizing outright any company that requests a “bailout.” Government bureaucracy could not possibly do a worse job than private bureaucracy has done.
Republican bureaucracy can.
I wish you guys all the best. I had to file bankruptcy to save my house. I work three jobs. I just found out 2 of my 3 jobs are closing within the next 2 months. I don't have money to move or get an apartment. I will be living under a bridge with nothing. I am sure I am not the first and I sure won't be the last.
Sanders still doesn't get it. Creating jobs that are low paying doesn't solve the problem. If the Middle Class is to pay their mortgages and credit cards they must make more money than they are currently making. This is NOT a mortgage meltdown. Mortgages are just a symptom of the larger more fundamental meltdown, the middle class economic meltdown. Fixing the mortgage crisis will therefore not solve the problem. Once again I will post the things that resulted in this meltdown. Why the middle class can't pay:
THE PROBLEM IS A "STRUCTURAL PROBLEM." The economic policies of the last thirty years have rendered the middle- middle class broke and cast the lower economic classes into near economic destitution.
NAFTA drove millions of good paying American jobs to other countries and had the effect of sharply driving down incomes without correspondingly driving down prices as was promised by its proponents.
The Bush Administration, through propaganda lies and coercion, coupled with a weak and compliant Congress forced America into a three trillion dollar elective war.
The Bush Administration in concert with a compliant Congress cut taxes for the wealthy, worsening the tax burden on the middle class.
The “Trickle Down Theory,” proved false and instead launched a new Gilded Age.
Worker’s INCOMES did not keep up with increases in worker PRODUCTIVITY further dampening the middle class, and further proving the “Trickle Down Theory,” as false.
Business deregulation led to unbridled greed and massive unearned profits based upon falsification of documents and accounting irregularities that became so prevalent as to be chaotic and unknowable.
Corporations cut good paying jobs to maintain and increase their stock prices resulting in good investor and management incomes at the expense of the middle class worker.
The middle class meltdown is the result of a thirty year war on the middle class by the super wealthy. The scope of this problem is much broader than the mortgage problem.
Money must be put back into the hands of the middle class in order to effect a permanent fix. Anything short of that is just more class warfare. I believe this choice is even more important in a larger scheme. The choice is now between Democracy and Fascism. Economics choices will determine the winner.
Wake up, wake up, wake up.
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WSWS...Love your posts.
Keep them coming.
All opinions are essential in a blog.
Common Dreams provides that for us.
Vote Nader/Gonzalez 2008...
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OOPS...
I put this in the wrong place.
NOW THERE YOU GO AGAIN NANNIE SEPTEMBER
WITH YOUR FAILED IDEAS THAT WILL FAIL AMERICA IF NADER WERE TO RUIN OBAMA'S CHANCES AS HE RUINED KERRY IN 04. WERE YOU HAPPY WITH THE LAST FOUR YEARS OF BUSH? DID YOU HAVE MR. NADER MAKING FAILED POLICY? DID YOU HEAR MR. NADER ACCEPT TO WHINE THAT NO ONE IS LISTENING TO HIM? SO MUCH FOR YOUR SUGGESTIONS. DON'T YOU GET IT A VOTE FOR NADER IS A VOTE FOR MCCAIN AND THAT FOOL FROM ALASKA.
Howdy IKE, Where you been? You doing ok?
Working against ideas like your to vote for Nader.
GAWD the site is slow! Anybody else??
I agree with all of this.
Never mind. I was going to commenht on something else, but it is taking so long, I gues I will try later. Old pc. Small RAM and HD.
How about repealing the Federal Reserve Act and re-creating constitutional money? Get rid of the worthless federal reserve green stamps and the banksters that print them. Beyond that, how about eliminating debt-based fractional reserve banking itself? That would be preventative maintenance against any future plutocracy.
The American way: Wall Street broke it and the US taxpayers bought it.
"that's the way the world ends, not with a bang, but a whimper." T.S. Eliot
wsws.org- Next time just provide a link instead of making 4 posts.
Commondreams changed the discussion section because a few people were "dominating the discussion." Lots of people complained. They give you free advertising, respect their website.
A few weeks ago Common Dreams put up a link soliciting feedback on what its readers thought about its new format.
The site was swamped with protests from posters objecting to CD’s limit of 250 words per post, as well as CD ownership “hiding” the comments of its posters.
Within a day, CD took down the link. (So much for the feedback they initially solicited!)
CD also changed the 250-word-limit per post to a 1000-word-limit per post.
Why does Common Dream ownership want to “de-emphasize” the comments of its posters? Even going so far as to hide them. Can it be because CD posters are noticeably to the left of CD ownership?
As for long or multiple posts, what's the big deal? If you don't want to read them, don't read them, just scroll down the page. wsws’s posts are thoughtful and serious. Thoughtful and serious, what a concept!
i agree that only a tiny handful of us "dominating the discussion".
Or, more accurately, I am always amazed that in an English-language discussion that everyone in the entire world with a internet connection could join in if they want to, ends up beind dominated by a few dozen people.
But if they choose not to join in on the discussion, whose fault is that?
This 700 billion dollar bailout is being orchestrated by the same crew that caused the problem; using the same thinking that got us here. If investment banks fail as a result of unsound business practices, so be it. Remember they are the ones that screamed for "deregulation." And the ones that are proposing this bailout were there to help.
In Japan, in the early 90s, a similar situation occurred. The Japanese did not bailout the financial firms. Instead they pumped a lot of money into public infrastructure projects to keep GDP high while the financial system healed. We should do the same.
Stone,
Not only does Bernie Sanders "not get it" -- but where in the world does he come off calling himself a "socialist."
Bernie Sanders appears weekly on Thom Hartmann's radio program, and all during the primaries he kept telling us that it doesn't matter who the Democrats nominate, Obama or Hillary, either one will be good for America.
... Which America would that be, Bernie?
Hint: Follow the money. More specifically, follow the campaign contributions, Obama having received more money from Corporate America than John McCain. See the following http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/sep2008/obam-s19.shtml
Corporate America knows that when the going gets tough *for them,* that their mouthpiece -- the Business Party, the Democratic/Republican duopoly -- will rush to protect them.
The Business Party's philosophy is quite simple: capitalism for the poor, socialism for the rich. ... In this case, taxpayer-financed bailouts for the rich.
Why stop T.I.N.A. -- "There Is No Alternative" to the Democratic/Republican duopoly, so therefore you have no choice except to vote for the lesser of the two evils -- why stop "The T.I.N.A. Con" when it's worked so well for so many years?
Quoting from a recent article by Donna Volatile, entitled, "The Obama Construct" --
"McCain is a war mongering bully who is in your face. Obama, on the other hand, is a smooth talker, whose own foreign policy positions aren't too far removed from McCain's; and one has to wonder which is worse, or indeed if there really is any difference at all.
"(The idea of voting for the lesser of two evils, McCain being the more evil, according to Obama supporters, seems ludicrous given that both of these candidates will ultimately do the bidding of their masters and the master plan is the same for both parties. This should be quite apparent by now and if it isn't, well, by all means vote for Obama and reap your just rewards. ...Do you really think 'Obomba's' idea of war will be kinder and gentler than McCain's?)
"Obama supporters will tell you 'but he's honest and so sincere', and 'he's run a clean campaign' or 'he's one of us' (that one always gets me) but they remain blinded to what is obvious to many on the radical left and many on the traditional conservative/libertarian right: Obama is a player and he is playing the game of the global elitists.
"Since he has all but secured his party's nomination, he's becoming more militaristic by the minute, in both tone and by his stance on several key Foreign policy issues.
"Obama and his VP Choice, Senator Biden, however, are not the crux of the problem, but rather the mainstream voters are the problem as they continue to enable the corrupt two party system by consistently supporting the candidates being foisted upon them by controllers who select them in the first place and who are reinforced by the mainstream media machine in the second. These are not choices, these are lack of choices and if voters continue to participate in this sham, then they truly get what they deserve!
"With Obama supporters, the phrase 'blinded by the light' takes on a whole new meaning. What part don't you get?! (This is the party threatening to place demonstrators at the DNC in recently erected detention camps and the party whose House majority leader, Nancy Pelosi, ridicules the anti-war movement and the homeless: 'If they were poor and they were sleeping on my sidewalk, they'd be arrested for loitering but because they have 'Impeach Bush' across their chest, it's the First Amendment.' Funny how both parties get upset over that whole free speech thing...)
"What is most stunning about delusional Obama supporters is, when confronted by the aforementioned facts about Obama, they counter with this inane idea that Obama is only 'saying' these things, he doesn't really mean them, it's only to get elected and once he gets elected the true altruistic essence of the man will save us all from tyranny! (Can we say reality check?!)
"Their indefensible support of this double talker is beyond comprehension. ...
"If you want to help put a stop to the rigged election game, if you really want to make a difference and you want your voice of disapproval to be heard, then do VOTE! Vote for ANYBODY but the two buffoons, who have been pre-selected for you by the global elitist machine. Send a message, loud and clear: We refuse your choices.
"Vote Nader, vote McKinney, vote Ron Paul, vote Bob Barr, write in a vote, do whatever but don't support the corrupt system. Commit to a protest vote. Vote your conscience, do not vote under the 'lesser of two-evils' threat because then YOU are part of the problem, not part of the possible solution. (We've been on this trip too many times before. ... From 'hope and help is on the way' Kerry to Obama's constant harping on 'Change We Can Believe In', you have been sold a bill of goods from first to last. For all of Obama's talk of change, his words and actions show quite clearly, he means more of the same...)
"For those diehard Obama supporters who refuse to see the hand writing on the wall ... YOU are the problem. ... For those die-hard Hillary Clinton supporters, promising to vote for McCain because your war-monger wasn't the chosen one, seek psychiatric help immediately.
"And one more thing. ... Evil is evil, bad is bad, wrong is wrong regardless of sex, race, creed or color.
"And another thing ... If you vote for Obama, you are neither liberal nor are you progressive, so let's get that straight. If you vote for Obama, you are a neoliberal, so get use to it.
"Stop making excuses, there are none and time is running out as an even larger war may be in the making.
"Get those blinders off!
"This is your wake up call!"
(Words in parenthesis Ms. Volatile's)
Click here for the entire article -- http://www.counterpunch.org/volatile08282008.html
So, would you support teh sp-usa's candidates (Moore of Fla. and Alexander of Ca.), or does wsws have another candidate, in the US, or have yu , like many , given up on the electoral process altogether. (I basically have)
BTW, anyone who is intewrested, the site for sp-usa is votesocialist2008.org
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/sep2008/cong-s19.shtml
I see. You basically just had a convention a couple months ago. Maybe it will be more active and draw more members than sp-usa or other parties in the US. I hope so.
Guess what. Ralph Nader will never get elected President. Given that fact your rant means nothing. I am a liberal. I am voting for Obama. You are just another unhappy pessimist who contributes way to much to this site. You can lead, follow, or get out of the way. The fact is that you just don't get it about Obama, so just go away, will ya?
Listen to yourself, getting surly like a regular brownshirt. Aren't liberals supposed to be tolerant of open forums and other points of view?
You're right about some of us not understanding Obama. I can't get a fix on him at all. I do hope there are enough of you to get him elected. Granted he is better than McCain, but for some of us that is not much of a credential.
We know with 100% probability that the Republican or the Democrat's candidate this year shall become the president of the US of A on January 20th at noon in 2009.
I'm making a choice to vote for Obama because he is the better choice and after this election and he is elected I will be working to make sure that we demand that he do, not what he said he would do, but rather what we need him to do. That is my yes we can message. We need to realize that the power to change our world is in our hands if we get out into the streets with our friends, families, and neighbors and demand that we are heard and satisfied.
"Change will not come if we wait for some other person or if we wait for some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek." - June Jordan
I sort of agree with you (and I do admire your positive outlook) but your post seems to be an odd mixture of fatalism and optimism. Whereas the inevitability of a corporate republicrat president must be accepted, you nevertheless seem confident that we can take to the streets and miraculously make him into the guy we want after the election. I guess my question is, if now is the time and we are the people, why not just elect Ralph Nader?
Maybe if Ralph had 42 million registered voters backing him up, with large organizations in every crucial state and a large corps of volunteers and payed staffers, with millions in the bank and another 2 million small time donors to tap---maybe with all that we could just elect him.
WELL SAID MAD COW BUT THAN HE WOULD BE SO PURE HE WOULD NOT BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY. HE ALSO HAS A VINDICTIVE SIDE AND PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE THAT KIND OF THING AND DON'T TEND TO FALL IN LINE. NADER WOULD BE A FASCIST.
Oh....I think you left out the gazillions in corporate ass-licking cash that Ralph might need. You know, that particular brand of money that McPain and that Obama guy are sucking up like industrial strength vacuum cleaners right now?
If we had 42 million voters wake up and see that there is no "hope" for "change" in either of these two corporate candidates and instead vote for a candidate with some real integrity, that candidate might indeed get elected. So what's holding you back from supporting this candidate? You don't count up to 42 million by starting at 41 million. You start at 1....1,2,3, and eventually you will get there.
But we'll never get there if people continue to support one of the candidates from the corporatist, right-wing parties. All we'll get is more of the $700 billion shaft.
damnliberal--Please dont consider yurself a liberal (maybe a neo-liberal)
Just listen to yourself. This is not a totalitarian dictatorship site. I dont agree with you. But I dont own this site. Neither does Obama.
Just dont read it if you dont like it. You sound like a neo-con.
>>I am a liberal. I am voting for Obama.
One of these two statements is not true.
>>The fact is that you just don't get it about Obama.
I get Obama. But apparently you don't. See your statement above for further reference.
We know with 100% probability that the Republican or the Democrat's candidate this year shall become the president of the US of A on January 20th at noon in 2009.
I'm making a choice to vote for Obama because he is the better choice and after this election and he is elected I will be working to make sure that we demand that he do, not what he said he would do, but rather what we need him to do. That is my yes we can message. We need to realize that the power to change our world is in our hands if we get out into the streets with our friends, families, and neighbors and demand that we are heard and satisfied.
"Change will not come if we wait for some other person or if we wait for some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek." - June Jordan
To:wsws site
OK Mr. Stone or Stoned?
I am now awake after your post who would you suggest for president Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck?
Dear Mr. Sanders,
Everything transfers wealth upwards in this system - I think you know that. This is not an economy, it is a Ponzi scheme, a pyramid scheme. The people at the base do the work and we send a good chunk of our earnings upwards. But it's never enough and our rewards never come. That is a pyramid scheme, Mr. Sanders! However, as you know, every pyramid scheme is doomed to failure after the base is bled dry...or stops paying into it.
Mr. Sanders, please tell the people to stop paying into it. We have the power to stop purchasing things and we have the power to withhold our taxes. If we do this en mass, the pyramid scheme will crumble - it has to. You know that neither the Democrats nor the Republicans are going to try to address this scheme - they benefit from it. It is independent progressives like you who have our ear. You have the platform to get us to start a movement of non-violent economic resistance that will bring this pyramid scheme down.
Please, Mr. Sanders, join others like Ralph Nader and tell the American people what it is we need to do. Give us some direction and I think you will have the critical mass needed to effect real, systemic change. Please, before this monstrous pyramid crushes us all.
Given how another article said Bush was asking for full control over the economy, I wonder if Al Gore really jumped on Climate Change because he was concerned about his legacy as the guy who lost (or gave up the win) to the walking human disaster that is George W Bush.
The only thing that is a bigger disaster than Bush may be a global catastrophe.
Cynical maybe but I wonder about the Goracle.
Gore was on the environmental bus for decades. Having the election stolen from him just gave him the time and space to devote his attention to the issue. All in all it is about the world, not about us (US).
Fuck Bernie Sanders and the rest of the democrats. They are no better than the republicans. Where were these great democrat reformers the last few years when they could have done something to avert this financial crisis?
They remind me of the sports announcer who never played the game saying "he would like to have that one back" after the quarterback throws an interception.
I'm not saying the republicans are any better because they are all a bunch of crooks.
It is better than what the GOP ( or both candidates, for that matter) are proposing.
He is among those wh tried to scream bloody murder (along with Brown, Feingold and a few others--more rep., too). He is registered as a socialist--and, for some reason , that terrifies most "Merkins alot more than people starving in the streets. It's the old "better dead than red" crap.
Nader has been warning since July. Whether you like him or not, does not change athat fact.
I am in the same boat as real world! Where were you when this was all happening? Collecting some kick backs. It seems the Democrats are mesmerized by the lying, cheating, stealing Republicans. Are you all lulled into their greed and power at whatever the cost.
Stand up and do something about this now and before another one takes place.
I am getting very disillusioned by this whole political process and do not see either group standing for the American people. It is about Corporate America and The military industry.
How can I quit paying into it all?
Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat - he is an independent and socialist.
Bernie is NOT a Socialist. Check his voting record. He is supporting Obama for prez.
Nader would not have allowed this to happen. He has been predicting the collapse of the economy for decades.
VOTE NADER
ike kay September 22nd, 2008 10:29 am
I find it extraordinary that with the entire future of the planet in the balance we have this person talking about electing Nader or McKinney. There is only one candidate in this so-called democracy to put your X next to. Its Obama. Like it or not, -I certainly don't like either party of entrenched power brokers who are dealing with the fait of humanity,- Obama can do the least damage and get the most accomplished. Neither of the other two WILL BE ABLE TO GET ANYTHING DONE. This system has been brought low by the fact that this form of government is not a Socialist democracy but a Capitalist democracy with a killer form of capitalism that is trying to kill its own people. Actually the USA is a Plutocracy.
This system in the USA requires an active supportive congress, regardless of the fact that most, if not all, are power brokers dealing with ways to take your money and use it for the advantage of the power elite rather than the public at large. At the very least Obama once knew what it was like to be poor. He did the right things to get where he has arrived. Whether his desire for stardom will be measured by the gravity of the office he wishes we will see, but at least he does not live the life of a military establishment figure. ENOUGH OF THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, although we get a different version of it with the DNC.
A vote for either Nader or McKinne will help elect Mccain and Palin, the most opportunistic and stupid choice a candidate ever made for the VP spot. McCain left his brains on the floor of his prison cell because one is a patriot born to an advantaged military family does not mean they are intelligent. I like both of these people Nader or McKinne but this is not the time for idealism it died with the defeat of Kerry. Nader helped elect Bush in 2004 and we have the possibility to see what that has accomplished for the world in retrospect. Would this sort of intelligence, of Mccain and Palin you would want to see achieve power Mr. Aquifer? I have to question your understanding of the American political scene and look at your post as someone who lives in the world of the ideal rather than the world of reality.
>>I find it extraordinary that with the entire future of the planet in the balance we have this person talking about electing Nader or McKinney.
I find it extraordinary that after years of taking it up the a** from those who voted for, and continue to support a war based on lies, who voted for the bankruptcy bill, the patriot act, warrantless wiretaps, who are part of the one-party system with two right wings, wallowing in corporate cash, protecting their interests, etc., all while saying "impeachment is off the table....well, I find it extraordinary that there are still so many people (like yourself) who scream "please sir, do it to me again!"
>>Nader helped elect Bush in 2004 and we have the possibility to see what that has accomplished for the world in retrospect.
Oh really? Please explain how Ralph helped re-elect shrub. I know for a fact that he voted for himself. I voted for him too. I did not vote for shrub. However a hell of a lot of registered Dems voted for the boneheaded shrub in 2000 and 2004. Why don't you blame them for helping elect shrub? The feebleness of your logic (or complete lack thereof) astonishes me.
>> I have to question your understanding of the American political scene and look at your post as someone who lives in the world of the ideal rather than the world of reality.
No, it is you that is living in a dream world. In case you haven't heard, one of the most commonly quoted (Albert Einstein) definitions of insanity "is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results." And by that definition, you sir (or madam), are insane.
IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT HE IS . . .HE IS SANE SOMETHING MOST OF YOU RABBID CAPITALISTS ARE NOT!
We know with 100% probability that the Republican or the Democrat's candidate this year shall become the president of the US of A on January 20th at noon in 2009.
I'm making a choice to vote for Obama because he is the better choice and after this election and he is elected I will be working to make sure that we demand that he do, not what he said he would do, but rather what we need him to do. That is my yes we can message. We need to realize that the power to change our world is in our hands if we get out into the streets with our friends, families, and neighbors and demand that we are heard and satisfied.
"Change will not come if we wait for some other person or if we wait for some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek." - June Jordan