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Since Saturday night, the United States, France, and Britain have been bombing Libya with cruise missiles, B-2 stealth bombers, F-16 and F-15 fighter jets, and Harrier attack jets. There is no reliable estimate of the number of civilians killed. The U.S. has taken the lead in the punishing bombing campaign to carry out United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973.
The resolution authorizes UN Member States “to take all necessary measures . . . to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including Benghazi, while excluding a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory.” The military action taken exceeds the bounds of the “all necessary measures” authorization.
“All necessary measures” should first have been peaceful measures to settle the conflict. But peaceful means were not exhausted before Obama began bombing Libya. A high level international team – consisting of representatives from the Arab League, the Organization of African Unity, and the UN Secretary General – should have been dispatched to Tripoli to attempt to negotiate a real cease-fire, and set up a mechanism for elections and for protecting civilians.
There is no doubt that Muammar Qaddafi has been brutally repressing Libyans in order to maintain his power. But the purpose of the United Nations is to maintain international peace and security. The burgeoning conflict in Libya is a civil war, which arguably does not constitute a threat to international peace and security.
The UN Charter commands that all Members settle their international disputes by peaceful means, to maintain international peace, security, and justice. Members must also refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state or in any manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
Only when a State acts in self-defense, in response to an armed attack by one country against another, can it militarily attack another State under the UN Charter. The need for self-defense must be overwhelming, leaving no choice of means, and no moment for deliberation. Libya has not attacked another country. The United States, France and Britain are not acting in self-defense. Humanitarian concerns do not constitute self-defense.
The UN Charter does not permit the use of military force for humanitarian interventions. But the UN General Assembly embraced a norm of “Responsibility to Protect” in the Outcome Document of the 2005 World Summit. Paragraph 138 of that document says each individual State has the responsibility to protect its populations from genocide, war crimes, ethnic cleansing, and crimes against humanity. Paragraph 139 adds that the international community, through the United Nations, also has “the responsibility to use appropriate diplomatic, humanitarian and other peaceful means, in accordance with Chapters VI and VIII of the Charter, to help protect populations from genocide, war crimes, ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity.”
Chapter VI of the Charter requires parties to a dispute likely to endanger the maintenance of international peace and security to “first of all, seek a solution by negotiation, enquiry, mediation, conciliation, arbitration, judicial settlement, resort to regional agencies or arrangements, or other peaceful means of their own choice.” Chapter VIII governs “regional arrangements,” such as NATO, the Arab League, and the Organization of African Unity. The chapter specifies that regional arrangements “shall make every effort to achieve pacific settlement of local disputes through such regional arrangements . . .”
It is only when peaceful means have been tried and proved inadequate that the Security Council can authorize action under Chapter VII of the Charter. That action includes boycotts, embargoes, severance of diplomatic relations, and even blockades or operations by air, sea or land.
The “responsibility to protect” norm grew out of frustration with the failure to take action to prevent the genocide in Rwanda, where a few hundred troops could have saved myriad lives. But the norm was not implemented to stop Israel from bombing Gaza in late 2008 and early 2009, which resulted in a loss of 1,400 Palestinians, mostly civilians. Nor is it being used to stop the killing of civilians by the United States in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
There is also hypocrisy inherent in the U.S. bombing of Libya to enforce international law. The Obama administration has thumbed its nose at its international obligations by refusing to investigate officials of the Bush administration for war crimes for its torture regime. Both the Convention Against Torture and the Geneva Conventions compel Member States to bring people to justice who violate their commands.
The United States is ostensibly bombing Libya for humanitarian reasons. But Obama refuses to condemn the repression and government killings of protestors in Bahrain using U.S.-made tanks and weaponry because that is where the U.S. Fifth Fleet is stationed. And Yemen, a close U.S. ally, kills and wounds protestors while Obama watches silently.
Regime change is not authorized by the resolution. Yet U.S. bombers targeted the Qaddafi compound and Obama said at a news conference in Santiago that it is “U.S. policy that Qaddafi needs to go.” The resolution specifically forbids a “foreign occupation force.” But it is unlikely that the United States, France and Britain will bomb Libya and leave. Don’t be surprised to hear there are Western forces on the ground in Libya to “train” or “assist” the rebels there.
Defense Secretary Robert Gates pegged it when he said that a “no-fly zone” over Libya would be an “act of war.” Although the Arab League reportedly favored a no-fly zone, Amr Moussa, Secretary General of the Arab League, said that “what is happening in Libya differs from the aim of imposing a no-fly zone.” He added, “What we want is the protection of civilians and not the shelling of more civilians.” He plans to call a new meeting of the league to reconsider its support for a no-fly zone.
The military action in Libya sets a dangerous precedent of attacking countries where the leadership does not favor the pro-U.S. or pro-European Union countries. What will prevent the United States from stage-managing some protests, magnifying them in the corporate media as mass actions, and then bombing or attacking Venezuela, Cuba, Iran, or North Korea? During the Bush administration, Washington leveled baseless allegations to justify an illegal invasion of Iraq.
Moreover, Obama took military action without consulting Congress, the only body with the Constitutional power to declare war. It is not clear what our mission is there or when it will end. Congress – and indeed, the American people – should debate what we are doing in Libya. We must not support a third expensive and illegal war. There is a crying need for that money right here at home. And we should refuse to be complicit in the killing of more civilians in a conflict in which we don’t belong.
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Show AllI never thought I'd hear myself say this.......but IMPEACH OBOMBER
He's gone from 'change artist' to 'oh fuck the world' He is NOT who we thought we voted for, he IS in the MIC pockets, he IS NOT a good guy.
So just impeach the s.o.a.b.
authors like this really make me sick - going on and on asking a series of dumb and self-answering questions as if to make ridiculous an otherwise ridiculous act
are they our friends?
are they nice guys?
we are there to steal the oil and gas just like iraq, afghanistan and any number of other countries over the last century
and i'll bet every one of those aggressions had a psyop writer asking the same bullshit questions:
are they our friends?
are they nice guys?
MED: She's using a writer's technique that intends to compel others to think about these matters.
It deeply saddens me to yet again witness the sick inversion of humanitarian intervention as seen in yet another WAR of aggression... The supreme crime that is in exact violation of The Geneva Conventions.
Two wars were not enough for these empty souls... now they are doing three, and as another CD article posted today rhetorically asked, why is it that there is always money to bomb, kill, and destroy... but so little to build, to teach, and to sponsor peace initiatives?
Say it along with me, everybody, "Mars rules."
Even with Japan's open wounds, along with those of Afghanistan, and Iraq, and other zones troubled by wild climate events and/or war... these maniacs continue ON a course of naked destruction.
There is a spiritual relationship between aggressive warfare and the demise of any society, and we have crossed the rubicon in that respect.
I am re-reading "Daybreak," a massive work done by Mary Summer Rain that speaks of these times. I read it nearly 20 years ago, but today it is more compelling due to the resonance between prophetic material then stated and ACTUAL events now underway.
It is beyond shameful that US leaders are bowed before Mars the principle of war and devastation even when so much is coming apart... calling out for real help, healing, and constructive action.
There are no words that define this level of moral depravity.
Actually at least four if your are willing to include the rocketing of Waziristan in Pakistan.
Siouixrose,
I agree that things are awful. However, I believe there are some words that define this level of moral depravity.
The Thanatos Syndrome by Walker Percy just about covers it.
Humans without humane behavior.
From wikipeda:
In 1989, Percy stated that, in The Thanatos Syndrome:
"I tried to show how, while truth should prevail, it is a disaster when only one kind of truth prevails at the expense of another. If only one kind of truth prevails -- the abstract and technical truth of science -- then nothing stands in the way of a demeaning of and a destruction of human life for what appear to be reasonable short-term goals."
And there's more to this "anything goes for science" mindset than war:
From an msnbc article:
Mice with human brains
"In January, an informal ethics committee at Stanford University endorsed a proposal to create mice with brains nearly completely made of human brain cells. Stem cell scientist Irving Weissman said his experiment could provide unparalleled insight into how the human brain develops and how degenerative brain diseases like Parkinson’s progress.
Stanford law professor Hank Greely, who chaired the ethics committee, said the board was satisfied that the size and shape of the mouse brain would prevent the human cells from creating any traits of humanity. Just in case, Greely said, the committee recommended closely monitoring the mice’s behavior and immediately killing any that display human-like behavior."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7681252/ns/health-cloning_and_stem_cells
Did you catch that? Doesn't it make you feel all warm and fuzzy about the scientists KILLING a mouse if it starts acting HUMAN?
Are you starting to understand what these scientists will stoop to in order to gain knowledge?
Do you realize these scientists have fully lost their humanity?
Do you understand the term "useless eater"? It can be scientifically proven that many of us fall in that category. Do you really think modern scientists working for a defense contractor completely shielded from any laws on the books would draw the line on human experimentation if it could be justified to improve survival rates among soldiers in the battlefield? That's perfectly reasonable for a war loving nation, you know. Support the troops isn't just a bumper sticker for certain scientists in the DOD.
It's all quite justified to kill the mice later and see how their human-like brains responded to "stresses" for the sake of helping humans with diseases like Parkinsons. Yeah, they are growing and killing and dissecting mice brains for your own good. It's all justified, right?
What a nightmare!
I hope they screw up and one of those human brained mice turns out be called Ben and gets away with a human brained female. If you play god with mice, be prepared to have a bunch of atheist mice coming after your ass later on.
You're absolutely correct. I get quite suspicious when a supposed progressive gets an opportunity to write something to help us organize against the forces of evil, and just chooses to fake the funk, to write something that has no potency, raises no new points, inspires no one, and leaves everything as they found it.
My reply to americanjew:
Majorie Cohn's article inspired no one? Well, I thought it was an effectively written article.
Inspiration? Well yes, I did find it more inspirational than had she just written propaganda and bull shit.
You said that you "get quite suspicious when a supposed progressive gets an opportunity to write something to help us organize against the forces of evil, . . ."
Yeah. Like almost everything else, relevence and value are in the eye of the beholder. But I don't think that you need to be so suspicious. It doesn't sound like you will ever be taken in by any supposed progressives no matter how insightful their comments
Majorie Cohn's article left everything as she found it? You weren't expecting the sky to fall were you?
After all, Majorie Cohn is only one person. This is only one article. And you at least found her article completely uninspirational and her credentials suspect.
Hey! Both the left and the working class have failed repeatedly in the past because of pointless infighting.
If you are going to burden us with your cynicism, why don't you also offer us a more insightful and inspirational critique than the one you have given us here.
Or can we simply count on your cynicism to contribute to yet more failure?
Marjorie Cohn's article is the most comprehensive critique of the attack on Gaddafi using the UN as cover that I have seen.
It always surprises me, for all the sheeple who know the truth. none will so much as throw a shoe. Pray all you want, the only to deal with cancer is with a knife. They'd do it to you and not miss lunch.
>^^<
Why would you think he was ever going to be any different? To paraphase Emma Goldman, if voting made any difference, they'd ban it. Elections are a game, a farce and all part of the grand illusion.
“If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal.” - Emma Goldman
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As conservative pundit and columnist George Will said a couple of years ago, “Let's not get sentimental about democracy. We don't get to choose whether or not the elite will govern; we get to choose which elite will govern.”
[George Will made this admission in an exchange with Donna Brazil on 'This Week with George Stephanopoulos' in the fall of 2008 before the election of Barack Obama.]
Plurality Voting, the voting procedure most often used in the United States, unduly restricts each voters freedom of speech and freedom of political association and prohibits direct support or opposition for or against individual candidates on the ballot. As a result there is no possibility that Plurality Voting can reliablity determine whether or not there exists consent among the governed for any of the candidates on the ballot.
As a consequence Plurality Voting can only bring about proto-democracy (with results as described by George Will), not genuine democracy.
In order to establish genuine Democracy in the United States, among other things we must replace Plurality Voting with a consent-dissent grading scale based voting procedure like Yes No ’Maybe So’ Voting or Category Scale Power Voting, which means of course that we need to have the power to implement and make legal a democratic voting procedure which enables free and fair election outcomes that are consistent with the consent of the self-governed.
As Emma Goldman would probably tell you this will not be easy.
Especially when the Lockerbie-bomber was released from Scotland and returned to Libya. All of Libya including Benghazi was ablaze. Seems to have been forgotten. Also ignored: most of the Libyan Al Qaeda recruits have apparently come from Benghazi. (Apparently because my only source of this information is a newscast by Al Jazeera).
The excuses for President Obama take on bizarre forms. Last night Rachel Maddow argued that Obama was different from Bush2 because Bush announced his invasions from the Oval Office whereas Obama chose to do this from some spot in Brazil.
Huh?
By all rights, Brazil is a well-respected country in the middle east and so you can see why Obama might choose to make his announcements from there.
Brazil is far from radiation and close to Patagonia, the Bush compound - if the sh-t really comes down. Obama and Bush work for the same Empire. They don't bother to ask Americans first, but they will do it in our name.
So is that where all the criminals will flee when the time comes -- the Bushes, the Clintons and the Obamas. They all seem to be especially cozy since Obama's ascent to the throne of America. I just looked up your information and it's intriguing, to say the least. I didn't know about the Bush buy-up of land in Paraguay.
it goes without saying...
Rachel Maddow is an enthusiastic Obama backer. She usually makes a good case but as with the argument last night, she sometimes is a bit much.
Nevertheless, she is for me a valuable source of information on what's going on, especially politically on the states.
She has a right to be an Obama defender.
Of course she has a right to be an "Obama defender." The bigger and more relevant question is whether she is justified in doing so.
Whether she's "justified" or not is on her, not for me to say. As a free speech purist, I think all points of view should be out there to be considered -- even, on this site, Horace, whose writings I enjoy even when I and everyone else think he's wrong.
Maddow is not a total unconditional cheerleader. She has been critical. She has been especially good lately on urging the Democratic party to campaign in a populist way to reconnect with the "base" and makes a good case why this is a potentially winning strategy.
Reply to comment by Paranoid Pessimist:
Fair enough.
I appreciate and support your commitment that all points of view should be heard and considered including Horace even on this site.
But Democrats must do something to establish a genuine democracy in the United States. Rachel Maddow might consider urging the Democratic Party to campaign in a populist way to promote the establishment of genuine democracy in the United States.
Even better where Democrats control a governorship and one or both parts of the state legislature they should simply enact legislation replacing Plurality Voting with a consent-dissent grading scale based voting procedure like Yes No ‘Maybe So’ Voting or Category Scale Power Voting.
I don’t recommend, however, that you or anyone else hold their breath waiting for Democrats to support the establishment of genuine democracy in the United States.
After the debacle of 2000 Democrats simply blamed Nader and the Greens for Al Gore’s inability to obtain a clear Plurality Voting victory in Florida and therefore the votes needed in the Electoral College to win the presidency.
Anyone who believes that Nader and the Greens were at fault for the failure of Al Gore to obtain an outright victory in Florida (i.e. most Democrats) has to admit that Plurality Voting by restricting each and every voter’s freedom of speech and freedom of political association was really at fault.
Given that you are a free speech purest, surely you would want every voter to have the right to directly express his or her support or opposition for or against each and every candidate on the ballot individually.
That is the only way that single-member district representative government can derive its legitimacy from the consent of the self-governed.
Plurality Voting should be replaced by a consent-dissent grading scale based voting procedure like Yes No ‘Maybe So’ Voting or Category Scale Power Voting.
When do you think the so-called Democrats will support that?
Not any time soon, certainly. If I "held my breath" waiting for that, I'd be dead long before it even entered the Democrat National Committee's conversation.
Well, please don't hold your breath then. I like your spunk, even if you are a "paranoid pessimist." :>)
To some of you the following. When will you learn to grasp what is written instead of read what you want to read? I have long known where Rachel's political sympathies are and I have no problem with her disseminating these even when I disagree which is often. If she wants to convince me that President Obama's attack of Libya is very different from President Bush's attack on Libya, that is a valid topic for a serious historical debate. However, to highlight the difference of the two actions by telling me that one announced his attack from the Oval Office while the other did that from some podium in Brazil struck me as bizarre.
Show me where in my statement I tried to muzzle her!
There are even more bizarre pronouncements coming from die-hard Obama supporters such as congressman Meeks from New York who did not bat an eye during a TV interview last night when he averred that President Obama was going into Libya with a coalition whereas Bush acted alone when he invaded Iraq. Meek's proof: the French refused to go along for which we punished them by changing "French Fries" to "Freedom Fries". Frankly I now begin to understand why Congress is held in such low esteem by our nation. It seems to be filled mostly with clowns who, unfortunately and dangerously hold your and my future in their addled brains
I don't have cable or satellite TV, so my impression of Maddow is based on second-hand representations and Internet osmosis.
She, and other Obama-supporters like Meeks, presumably subscribe to the popular progressive liberal-lite incrementalist belief that minor or seemingly-superficial changes in rhetorical tone or attitude DO make a difference, and are not to be scorned or dismissed out of hand.
But I find the counter-argument more persuasive: the power elite may change its administrative tunes and cadences because of personal idiosyncracy and changes in fashion, but not because of any profound improvement in its aims and motives from its predecessor.
Put another way, successful scam artists always adapt the patter to keep stringing along their victims. Obama's acting the "reluctant warrior" is the equivalent of altering the pitch just enough to persuade credulous recipients, especially those predisposed to be sympathetic to the pitchman, that he's acting legitimately and in good faith.
In any case, crediting Obama as being wiser and more prudent than his predecessor in sanctioning imperialist military actions like bombing Libya is simply arguing that he's a superior warlord. That's all well and good, I suppose, if one goes in for that sort of thing.
Rachel Maddow is an Imperialist and a Capitalist.
Yes, Rachel Maddow might be a "feminist" but only in the Imperial sense. Maddow backs the Military-Empire of the United States government. Her employment at General Electric which is in the nuclear arms business says it all too.
Any true "leftist" would never and I mean NEVER WORK FOR GE!!!!
Rachel Maddoiw might mean well but she is nothing but an Imperial Feminist who will make excuses for the U.S. Military ad nauseam.
I am quite tired of all the attention Maddow bestows upon the military anyhow. Her continual attention and praise of the military speaks volumes about this lady who seems to have no real moral center other than selfish personal interests.
This article provides an excellent reason why Obama should not only be impeached but also tried along with Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld and Colin Powell and C. Rice and others as war criminals. For the prosecution: Marjorie Cohn. But as Crowsnest points out, liberals like Rachel Maddow as well as Obama's Democratic colleagues will use any excuse in order to whitewash Obama's actions and thus absolve him of any responsibility for what his bellicose behavior has wrought.
WHY is that? RM MUST see what a fraud obummer is. I saw it from Day 2 and Im just a shmoe on the street.
Guess she's feeding from the same trough as the big boys.
I'm an average, everyday USA citizen and I saw Obama's fraudulence from day one...well before the last POTUS Election. It's amazing that Maddow and so many other liberals don't see, or refuse to see that.
Some one said "democracy is the worst system in the World, except for all the others." I agree, but knee-jerk leftists scream: Save Lybia's socialist dictator !!! -- even if he's a complete gangster. Isn't it odd that so-called "Socialism" is always administered under a dictatorship, never by a popular democracy?
Who is saying save him? What people appear to be doing is questioning policy catalysts and as to whether intervention can ever produce positive results, the idea being that, generally, longterm, self-determination (with no western meddling behind the scenes) is the most healthy and productive solution.
Incidentally, in Spain during the civil war, Catalonia, for just a few short months up until betrayal and rank Soviet opportunism destroyed it, operated under an anarcho-syndicalist system - a genuine popular democracy.
Reply to comment by Ind-78:
Generally speaking, what is usually described as democracy is not genuine democracy even of the representative sort, but rather proto-democracy which is at best a precursor to the real thing.
Proto-democracy is an intermediate stage between either dictatorship or monarchy and genuine democracy. Proto-democracy permits voters to choose among competing elites but does not permit voters to choose whether or not elites govern.
We do not have a genuine democracy, in either the direct or representative sense, in the United States. We have a proto-democracy based upon elected representation; and that proto-democracy itself has in our case once again become little more than a sham.
Conservatives for years warned against policies they claimed would move the United States toward socialism like the Scandinavian countries, where a form of socialism was “administered” under proto-democracy not dictatorship.
What a nonsense!
All democratic countries practice more or less Socialism, and system you have in US is called CORPORATISM.
I find it interesting that people who decry the use of force and the bombing of Libya are the same who cry out for the support of human rights and democracy and self-rule for all. The UN is for peaceful negotiations and settlement of disputes, but I wonder how well any "peaceful" negotiation would last with a government tank pointed at your home. "Peaceful" negotiation does not exist in a dispute with a tyrannical despot determined to hold on to power. Are we sure that a new Libyan regime would support the US? No. But if we pursue the same 'wait and see' strategy as in Tunisia and Egypt, it will be 'wait and see how many die at the Colonel's hands.'
So, we're sending troops into Gaza, Yemen, Bahrain, Indonesia, China, etc...
Exactly mycommonsense.
On one side you have deranged (entire country belongs to me) dictator and his mercenaries, and on the other side you have unarmed, or underarmed civilians, so if you do not help those civilians you are helping mad dictator.
And, yes time might come when World will intervene and help people in Bahrain, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Gaza .... Helping people of Libya is one small step in right direction.
According to news reports on the first day of the attacks French jets destroyed pro-Gaddafi armored forces in the desert after they had somehow been, at least temporarily, repelled from Benghazi where they had attacked rebels and civilians, which by the way appear to be overlapping categories of people.
Some people have said this attack by French jets violated the UN mandate. But destroying pro-Gaddafi forces in the desert (as I understand it), forces which were intent on attacking rebels and civilians, should minimize civilian and rebel casualties.
What about attacks on military columns in the desert if and when pro-Gaddafi forces re-occupied all the cities and towns in Libya and the civil war has degenerated into a government effort to suppress a now largely ineffective insurgency?
In western Libya pro-Gaddafi armor has entered the city of Misurata and was besieging the town of Zintan.
(See “Misurata shelled as battle for Libya rages”, Al Jazeera, March 22, 2011
URL: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/03/201132292210533490.html)
The air war carried out by the United States that removed the Taliban from power in Afghanistan and destroyed al Qaeda bases there was in support of ground troops led by opposition warlords. At some point the United States started using cluster bombs.
As everyone knows the United States and NATO allies later committed their own ground troops in an attempt to secure and stabilize Afghanistan amidst what became an increasingly violent insurgency. And, of course, we are still there in Afghanistan (and Iraq), all these years later.
While the poorly armed rebel forces apparently include some defectors from Gaddafi’s army do you really think they can overthrow Gaddafi only with the aid of western air power? And even if they do overthrow Gaddafi with the aid of western air power and gifts of weapons and possibly armored vehicles what sort of “final” outcome do you expect?
No one here needs to say that war is almost always extremely violent and destructive. The repression of civilian protests and the civil war in Libya that was started by Gaddafi and that preceded western intervention was already very violent and destructive before U.S. involvement.
Given the violent unpredictability of war, the incredibly violent force at the disposal of the United States unleashed in Afghanistan and Iraq and Vietnam and elsewhere, the record of the United States supporting and arming dictators in the Arab world and in so many other places around the planet (sometimes dictatorships that have featured fake democracies with regular but fake elections - see Egypt), and the western economic imperative to protect and control the oil supply for western countries, can you possibly understand the skepticism and even the outrage that many people feel about United States involvement in yet another war?
A "small step" (and baby steps)--where I have I heard this before?
Ah, yes, Obamabots!
Your common sense (let alone history!) should tell you that intervention rarely works. Indeed, it aggravates and destroys and retards. Many trace the Iranian Revolution to America's/UK's overthrow of the democratically elected, Mohammad Mosaddegh who had had the temerity to nationalise the oil industry. The 1979 revolution and resulting repressiveness was a direct consequence of the close-to thirty preceeding years of the western-backed Shah's dictatorship that followed the 1953 coup.
Reply to comment by Principle IV:
I agree that intervention rarely works, particularly when the motives of those who intervene are severely compromised by their own perceived self-interest.
The United States and its allies did defeat Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany in WWII after considerably slaughter, and established proto-democracy in both countries.
General Douglas MacArthur is credited with writing the Japanese constitution. For whatever reasons for years Japanese politics was dominated by one party.
The United States, or as some would say "The Empire", still has militay bases in both Japan and Germany..
The establishment of proto-democracy or genuine democracy requires the exercise of considerable power on the part of someone. I agree with you the results are likely to be much, much better if that exercise of power is successfully done by the people, not an outsider.
There are lots of reasons to believe this intervention in Libyan will not turn out well.
Regards
Yes, I perhaps should have put the qualifier that intervention rarely works in civil unrest situations, although, as you point out, even in WWII it might be argued that little was different. I agree that events in Libya are almost bound not to turn out well. Indeed, with Obama now hinting at regime change and the 'coalition of the willing' seemingly operating ouside of the U.N. mandate, it's all looking very depressing.
When the US invades a country it never leaves, except for Vietnam where the US lost. The US will never leave Libya. We are told there will be no "boots on the ground" we are told. That is another lie. I give it another week before "there was no other option" but to send in the marines.
Kadaffy did not nationalize the Libyan oil industry but together with Armand Hammer of Occidental Petroleum the two blew the then existing revenue and royalties system to smithereens.
The U.S. Establishment relishes in:
1. War
2. Violence By the State for the State
3. Poverty of the rabble
4. Paternalism and Patriachy
5. Sexism
6. Racism
7. Militarism
8. Classism
9. Xenophobia
10. Ageism
11. Misogyny
12. Division of the people through divide-and-conquer techniques
13. Elitism
14. Homophobia
15. Consumerism
16. Corporatism
The attack on Libya is just par for the course by the U.S. Establishment.
I am only surprised more nation's are not bombed into submission by the United States government and its foot soldiers within the elite circles of power.
Nice summation. Thank you.
You missed ignoring the poor, and the disabled.
>^^<
Of course the Obomber needs to be impeached,,
will he of course not..
The real criminals are out playing golf or in this case soccer
while the usa burns..
Printing money
I would laugh so hard if the Republicans decided against "look[ing] forward, not backward" for Obama!
Any comments from our former President on this weighty matter? ;)