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White House Defends US Role in Libya after Lawmakers Sue
WASHINGTON — Facing growing opposition on Capitol Hill, the White House insisted Wednesday that it's within its legal rights to wage war in Libya without explicit authorization from Congress, essentially because no American lives are at risk.
The Obama administration rejects criticism that the U.S. president failed to provide a "compelling rationale" for the Libya mission. (RFE) The administration argued that its limited role in the allied air campaign against Libya means it's not really the kind of escalating war that would require approval from Congress or an end to fighting after 60 days under the War Powers Resolution, passed in 1973 in response to the Vietnam War.
Even before the White House could sent its arguments to Capitol Hill, 10 members of the House of Representatives — conservative Republicans and liberal Democrats — filed suit in U.S. District Court Wednesday challenging President Barack Obama's right to wage the war, even if in a supporting role.
"We believe the law was violated," said Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, one of the effort's leaders. "We have asked the courts to protect the American people from the results of these illegal policies."
In a 32-page report to Congress, the White House laid out its argument.
"U.S. operations do not involve sustained fighting or active exchanges of fire with hostile forces, nor do they involve the presence of U.S. ground troops, U.S. casualties or a serious threat thereof, or any significant chance of escalation into a conflict characterized by those factors," the White House said.
"We're now in a position where we're operating in a support role," said a senior Obama administration official who spoke to reporters on condition of anonymity under White House policy.
"We're not engaged in sustained fighting. There's been no exchange of fire with hostile forces. We don't have troops on the ground. We don't risk casualties to those troops. None of the factors, frankly, speaking more broadly, has risked the sort of escalation that Congress was concerned would impinge on its war-making power," the official said.
The White House also warned Congress against questioning the U.S. commitment at a time when Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi may be on his way out. "Now is not the time to send mixed messages," said spokesman Jay Carney.
The White House report also said the U.S. has spent $716 million through June 3 on bombs and other supplies since helping launch the allied air campaign on March 19, a cost expected to rise to $1.1 billion by Sept. 30. Aides said the money would come from other appropriated funds and would not require a new appropriation from Congress this year.
It was unclear how the memo would impact the debate in Congress over the military campaign.
"The creative arguments made by the White House raise a number of questions that must be further explored," said Brendan Buck, a spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio.
"Regardless, the commander-in-chief has a responsibility to articulate how U.S. military action is vital to our national security and consistent with American policy goals. With Libya, the president has fallen short on this obligation. We will review the information that was provided today, but hope and expect that this will serve as the beginning, not the end, of the president's explanation for continued American operations in Libya."
The lawmakers who filed suit maintained that a president cannot "unilaterally go to war in Libya and other countries" without a formal declaration of war from Congress. Their suit also maintains that a president cannot commit this country to a war "under the authority of the United Nations without authorization from Congress."
And, it said, the White House cannot use previously allocated federal funds for "an unconstitutional and unauthorized war in Libya or other countries."
Beyond Kucinich, House members filing the suit included Reps. Walter Jones, R-N.C., Howard Coble, R-N.C., John Duncan, R-Tenn., Roscoe Bartlett, R-Md., John Conyers, D-Mich., Ron Paul, R-Texas, Michael Capuano, D-Mass., Tim Johnson, R-Ill., and Dan Burton, R-Ind.
Under the 1973 War Powers Resolution, Obama is required to consult with Congress before acting. He did inform lawmakers of his Libya decision on March 18, the day before the mission began. Under the resolution, Congress must approve any military action within 60 to 90 days, or it's canceled. The 60th day came and went last month, but the Libya mission continues.
The lawmakers' lawsuit isn't likely to succeed, according to Todd Gaziano, director of the Center for Legal and Judicial Studies at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank.
He noted that similar lawsuits during the Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton presidencies were dismissed by the same court, and that the court is bound by those precedents. A key reason, he said, is that Congress already has the power to stop financing military action.
Kucinich earlier led an unsuccessful effort to get the House to call for a U.S. pullout from NATO's Libya operation within 15 days of passage; it failed by 265-148 on June 3, with 87 Republicans and 60 other Democrats supporting Kucinich.
Instead, the House passed a diluted measure, backed by Boehner, giving Obama until Friday to justify his Libya decision.
Boehner's resolution warned the White House that Congress "has the constitutional prerogative to withhold funding for any unauthorized use of the United States Armed Forces, including for unauthorized activities regarding Libya."
The Senate, where lawmakers from both parties have also expressed qualms about the White House action in Libya, has delayed an anticipated debate, awaiting the report Boehner's resolution requires.
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Show AllWar isn't war. War is peace!
Bush just used "1984" as an operation manual, Obama uses both "1984" and Animal Farm. Check out Orwell's short story on shooting an elephant. That is probably next.
It's a bit of a tangent, but check out the superb "Amusing Ourselves to Death" cartoon (or "graphic essay") by Stuart McMillen if you haven't seen it yet:
http://www.recombinantrecords.net/docs/2009-05-Amusing-Ourselves-to-Death.html
Great link, thanks. A must read. I just may pick up Postman's book.
neat toon.
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Jean Chretien, Canada's prime minister in 1999 had the same comment to make when he said about NATO bombing Serbia: Its not a war, its air strikes.
No matter how much the War Criminal in chief flowers up his words; atrocities/slaughter by the amerikan military are terrorist acts by the # 1 terrorist nation, and the Mass Murderer in chief will continue with his deadly lies as amerika slides into the abyss !
I guess black is white if the president says so. Do we really need these people to decide for US what's what? What is right and what is wrong? What is war and what is not? I don't think so. America is into mind alteration. Half of US are on Prozac. We lack critical thinking skills. We have been dummied down.
The brainwashing starts with the young people. When I was young a common movie theme was about getting your first piece of teenybopper tail - right of passage sort of thing. It was real. Reality has been morphed into nerds with the right hat and line of jive can bag a cheerleader if they are persistent. Planet earth to nerd - not going to happen in the real world.
We have become a gullible nation that does not know what to think until we are told what to think. It's OK!, It's OK! Move along. Nothing to see here.
What we need is a ruling from the Supreme Court! They are all constitutional scholars don't you know! They will certainly know whether or not this is a war and then we will all know for certain! Better safe than sorry!
That last paragraph is satire, right ?
Obama's take on this is chillingly like the response that good ole Tricky Dick Nixon gave to David Frost when asked about the legality of his actions - "When the President does it, it is not illegal." Apparently, Barry the Warmonger feels the same way as the loathsome Nixon. See the video with Constitutional lawyer Bruce Fein who insists that there is NO part of our founding document that permits the President to do what he is doing in Libya, and now Yemen. My disgust for Obama who has turned out to be a real imperialist whore continues to grow along with my cynicism for our political process. All I can say is that to spend a billion dollars on the re-election campaign of this shameless sell-out will be a colossal waste of money.
And we thought Bush was arrogant. ObamaCon, Wizard of Guile. This is why the MilitaryIndustrialComplexWallstreetMuckyMuckWhatever power elites hired this guy in the first place. He can run a street con better than any of our previous Emperors. It will be disgusting, to say the least, to watch so-called Progressives line up behind this war criminal in 2012.
Yes, It will be interesting to see liberals justifying defense spending on more bombs and jet fuel. It's somehow different when O does it because I gave him $25 in '08!
Yes. they will pull out the dusty "well, he's better than a Republican" excuse when they vote for him in 2012.
Ask those people "how is he better than a Republican?" and they will mumble incoherently and turn red.
Many so-called liberals that vote for Obama are of the "getting raped gently is better than getting raped brutally" stripe. The rest of us believe that rape is rape, regardless who is doing it or how it is done.
"Even liberals have an embarrassment threshold somewhere (albeit a very low threshold, in most cases) - a depth of depravity beyond which some of them will find it just too embarrassing to go along."
They apparently still have quite a bit to fall before they reach that threshold.
"Aides said the money would come from other appropriated funds and would not require a new appropriation from Congress this year."
Well it's good to know we can always find more money if it's for death, murder, lawlessness and destruction - doing the devil's work one GE missle at a time!
When someone tells me they are a progressive democrat I tell them 'No you're not" - No True Progressive supports this neo-con warmongering polluting scumbag.
Obomber can try change the meaning of words all he wants - i don't buy it and I call people on their bullshit when they try to get me to buy into their Up is Down, War is Peace and the oilybomber is a good and decent man bla bla bla.
"Obomber can try change the meaning of words all he wants"
'Depends what the the definition of the word is is.'
The question isn't "Did you have you have sex with that woman?" The question, Obombus, is "did take the USA to war in Libya?"
Words of wisdom from a Facebook comment: "I did not have war with that country."
Impeachable? Depends on what the meaning of the word is (war) is, and whether there's a 2/3 majority of the opposition party in the U.S. Senate. Absent that, Obama has a free pass (as did Clinton) to being able to do whatever he says he can do. Great thing, isn't it, that we aren't one of those nasty one-man "dictatorships?"
Yes, absolutely wonderful. Our President claims he can assassinate anyone, anywhere on the planet, anytime he wants on his say-so, without due process. He can indefinitely imprison anyone for their natural lives even if a court finds them innocent. He can kidnap anyone, anywhere, anytime and haul them off to a "black site' prison on his say-so and without any evidence. He can block any lawsuit that tries to hold his administration accountable for violations of the law and Constitution by stating that it violates "national security secrets." He can launch military operations and invasions anywhere, against any nation, on his say-so alone without any approval from Congress.
Yes - thank God we are not a dictatorship here in the good ole' democratic U.S. of A.
Demonstorm - excellent summary.
Obomber when asked about Wiener - "If I was him, I'd resign"
Any one who fractures the subjunctive should resign or be impeached.
Ha! My Latin teacher would love it! "sugarsnap88 -- sim -- What is it -- tense, mood and reason?" "First person singular present active subjuncttive -- condition contrary to fact." "Of course -- next one!"
How can President Obama purport to be a constitutional law scholar? The Constitution of United States says that the president must faithfully uphold laws.
Former President Bill Clinton was impeached for lying about getting his dick sucked. President Obama has committed impeachable offenses much more grave than those of President Clinton.
The Congress needs to defund our endless wars and draw up articles of impeachment against President Obama for not upholding his constitutional obligation to faithfully uphold the law.
"How can President Obama purport to be a constitutional law scholar?"
Because you can study something without believing in it.
"opposition research."
"How can President Obama purport to be a constitutional law scholar?"
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It's become obvious that some "Constitutional lawyers", and especially reputed "Constitutional scholars", study the Constitution in the same way a safecracker studies a safe.
expert > a person who avoids the small errors while sweeping on to the grand fallacy
We are still such an asshole Puritan country that we are outraged about a public official such as Weiner doing what he did (pumped up by the right-wing media, of course) but we are complacent about a couple of war criminals like Bush and Cheney lying us into war! If we had prosecuted Bush, Cheney and their ilk for their war crimes would Barry the Liar be so arrogant about what he is doing now? I don't think so. 'Remember what Wubya said - "Don't throw the Constitution in my face, it's just a goddamned piece of paper." What is really disgusting is that Barry should know the Constitution a lot better than a ruling class whore like Bush but he still goes ahead and makes a mockery of it when it suits his despicable purposes.
By precedent, the President of the United States can now declare war on whoever he wants, and it doesn't matter if it's illegal or not, nobody gets in trouble for it.
I don't see why Obama didn't seek congressional approval. They work for the MIC too, so they would have probably given it.
Obama is not as bright as he thinks he is. You are right, congress would have given approval. Now it is a political pissing contest in an election cycle. I guess that whole, this guy is playing chess while we are merely playing checkers thing was all BS.
Maybe he's angling for chickenhawk votes by trying to adopt Bush's macho posture and telling the congress to fck off. Maybe he's being pushed around by his military and political advisers, is their punk and their little bitch.
But it's useless to depend on ANY politician as long as his or her re-election depends on who pays his campaign
Direct democracy
He is angling for "sissy hawks" votes ezeflyer. A chicken hawk is actually a hawk that preys on chickens rather than a chicken that acts like a hawk.
A sissy hawk is someone who urges others on to fight wars he is unwilling to fight himself. Equating those who urge others to fight in wars that they are unwilling to fight in with the noble and fearless chicken hawk is an insult to chicken hawks.
Very good point! I think I'll start using that term. Sissyhawk. :) Good one!
The "chicken" in chickenhawk also means sissy, but ok
"I thought that was a good question also. Congress hasn't blocked anything along these lines, so why would they start now? Here's something from The Guardian that may point to what is involved. The UK has approved their troops until Sept.
"The head of the Royal Navy has been summoned to 10 Downing Street for a dressing down by David Cameron after raising doubts about the ability of the armed forces to sustain a lengthy campaign in Libya."
Could it be that maybe, just maybe, public discontent is starting to reach levels where they have to worry about whether the people will go along? As well as it becoming obvious that the military is overstretched?
I heard that GE is bringing manufacturing jobs back to the US. Could that be a PR move now that they are under fire for their nukes and weapons and cluster bombing etc.?
This sort of hypocrisy is one of many reasons why I will never support the Democratic Party.
I can't stand the pro-war, pro-Zionist, pro-police state, anti-union, anti-intellectual, conservative people. The Democrats are catering to these types. I would rather not reinforce their hypocrisy.
Hence I vote "none of the above" when it comes to political offices. I will happily campaign on behalf of movements and issues though, separate from politicians and political parties.
I disagree. No honor among thieves, you know. They'll dump Oblahblah if they find it convenient and advantageous to do so.
I'm sure its off the drawing board and been filed under,"done deal" in the file drawer by now. They made a "pro/con" list and if Obombanation's liabilities exceed his assets he's gone. Oh and "pro" stands for prostitute, "con" confidence trickster.
Does the Congress control the President or the President control the Congress?
Does the system control the President or the President control the system?
None of the above: The system -- our corporatocracy -- controls both the President and the Congress, plus the Judiciary, the military, the media, and the economy.
The goal of the captains of corporatocracy is power, profit, prosperity and privilege for themselves, paid for by We-the-People with privatization policies for education, medical care, old-age assistance, and public infrastructure, with the privatization of wars against al Qaeda, terror, drugs, and popularly elected leaders of small nations, with the privatization of decisions about energy extraction and public safety, and with policies of extrajudicial surveillance, detention, torture and killings.
And their system works: Why bother to run for President or Congress, when you can buy someone to do the work and take the heat, and be discarded or discredited when no longer useful?
The only question to ask Presidential and Congressional hopefuls: "How would you, how could you, stand up to this present system?”
But even if someone answered, would we ever hear about it?
Caroline: I'll jump in here as I have before, and let posters dump on me again for an
"impractical" statement about who controls what in the country and how the balance of power could be shifted. It "begins at home," with the resolution of each voting citizen to withhold his/her support from any candidate who is apparently trying to buy his or her vote. Any merchandiser can offer you a product with a clean face and shiny whistles and bells; but if you the "consumer" won't buy that product, it won't sell. I think we are only a few demonstration candidacies from realizing the awesome power of populist campaigns against the power of the MIC (plus media) establishment to sell those supposedly unbeatable political products. Think BOYCOTT (like the Montgomery boycott against riding on segregated buses). No, think SMART boycott, and you have the ticket for breaking the grip of that establishment. End of rant, lay on the objections, but please keep an even slightly open mind about this tactic.
How is this controversial? Withhold our votes from lying, conniving candidates? Millions do it every election, and here we are in the present, with the exact same kind of lying, criminal president we thought we got rid of in 2008. (Some of us did, anyway--not me.) Boycott elections? How many will do it? 20%? We'll get the same results either way. To hell with voting. It changes nothing. We organize coherently or we all go down.
Ephraim: I agree with you that boycotting elections (Vote for Nobody) that some advocate is a dead end. But I didn't and don't propose boycotting elections, only boycotting the candidates put before us by the party duopoly representing the unitary plutocracy. Sure, "organize coherently" but also don't throw out the electoral baby with the filthy bathwater of corporate electoral dominance. As for the "millions" who boycott every election, those are the apathetics who wouldn't organize, coherently or otherwise, any more than they would vote. They have "other interests" (mostly themselves) My targets for mobilization (electorally and between elections) are the millions who do vote but think they have to vote for MIC 1 or MIC 2 because they want their votes to "count" and they think they have to vote for one of these candidates between whom there are very marginal differences. I said in my post, and I believe, that a handful of "demonstration" campaigns in which candidates refuse or severely restrict campaign donations and expenditures and use this spartan approach as an issue against better-funded can really begin to pull the teeth of MIC political power. Easy? Of course not, but maybe the only kind of "coherent organization" that has any chance of restoring power to the people.
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Caroline summarized the situation quite well. The bad guys own everything, and the facade is only to keep the masses preoccupied, divided, distracted. The system becomes more finely tuned each day, and the gutting of individual rights and the rights of We the People is nearly complete. The Constitution has been warped beyond recognition. "It's freedom of speech, as long as you don't say too much." [Neville Bros.]
It telling that nowadays the Nixon crimes that got him impeached are actually no longer crimes and the increase in presidential powers have codified the legality of the lawbreaking.
If Kucinich and the other Congressional phoneys were at all serious, they'd be filing articles of impeachment right about now.
2012 *is* the last we'll see of Kucinich -- he's being redistricted out of Congress as we speak.
And no, his advocacy doesn't count for much if he's going to misdirect it via a lawsuit that will be thrown out of court more or less summarily. Congresscritters don't have standing to file suit against Executive Branch actions, no matter how egregious.
Smug bastard; that's what oblahblah is.
"It isn't illegal if the President does it." - Richard M. Nixon, 1973
Obama, Nixon, George W. Bush. Same thing.
"Obama, Nixon, GWB, the same thing." Of course they are. That's why they are called "office holders". Whether a wet towel or a warm, fuzzy sweater, they are "saving seats" at the Big Show.
We should go after the blood thirsty maggots behind the stuffed shirts in the Whitehouse.