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Marja Offensive Aimed to Shape US Opinion on War
WASHINGTON - Senior military officials decided to launch the current U.S.-British military campaign to seize Marja in large part to influence domestic U.S. opinion on the war in Afghanistan, the Washington Post reported Monday.
The Post report, by Greg Jaffe and Craig Whitlock, both of whom cover military affairs, said the town of Marja would not have been chosen as a target for a U.S. military operation had the criterion been military significance instead of impact on domestic public opinion.
The primary goal of the offensive, they write, is to "convince Americans that a new era has arrived in the eight-year long war...." U.S. military officials in Afghanistan "hope a large and loud victory in Marja will convince the American public that they deserve more time to demonstrate that extra troops and new tactics can yield better results on the battlefield," according to Jaffe and Whitlock.
A second aim is said to be to demonstrate to Afghans that U.S. forces can protect them from the Taliban.
Despite the far-reaching political implications of the story, the Post buried it on page A9, suggesting that it was not viewed by editors as a major revelation.
Jaffe and Whitlock cite no official sources for the report, but the evidence supporting the main conclusion of the article clearly came from information supplied by military or civilian Pentagon sources. That suggests that officials provided the information on condition that it could not be attributed to any official source.
Some advisers to Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, the commander of the International Security Assistance Force, told him last June that Kandahar City is far more important strategically than Marja, according to Jaffe and Whitlock.
Marja is a town of less than 50,000 people, even including the surrounding villages, according to researcher Jeffrey Dressler of the Institute for the Study of War in Washington, D.C.
That makes it about one-tenth the population of Kandahar City. Marja is only one of a number of logistical centers used by the Taliban in Helmand province, as Dressler observed in a study of Helmand province published by the Institute last September.
Kandahar, on the other hand, is regarded as symbolically important as the place where the Taliban first arose and the location of its leadership organs even during the period of Taliban rule.
Nevertheless, McChrystal decided to commit 15,000 U.S. troops and Afghan troops to get control of Marja as the first major operation under the new strategy of the Barack Obama administration.
That decision has puzzled many supporters of the war, such as author Steve Coll, who wrote a definitive history of U.S. policy toward Afghanistan and is now executive director of the New America Foundation. Coll wrote in the New Yorker last week that he did not understand "why surging U.S. forces continue to invest their efforts and their numbers so heavily in Helmand."
Coll pointed to the much greater importance of Kandahar in the larger strategic picture.
The real reason for the decision to attack Marja, according to Jaffe and Whitlock, was not the intrinsic importance of the objective, but the belief that an operation to seize control of it could "deliver a quick military and political win for McChrystal."
Choosing Kandahar as the objective of the first major operation under the new strategy would have meant waiting to resolve political rivalries in the province, according to the Post article.
In public comments in recent days, CENTCOM chief Gen. David Petraeus has put forward themes that may be used to frame the Marja operation and further offensives to come in Kandahar later this year.
Last Thursday, an unnamed "senior military official" told reporters, "This is the start point of a new strategy," adding, "This is our first salvo."
On Sunday, Petraeus appeared on NBC's "Meet the Press" and said the flow of 30,000 new troops that President Obama recently ordered to the region is starting to produce "output". Marja is "just the initial operation of what will be a 12-to-18-month campaign," he said, calling it the "initial salvo".
Petraeus suggested that Taliban resistance to the offensive in Marja was intense, as if to underline the importance of Marja to Taliban strategy. "When we go on the offensive," said Petraeus, "when we take away sanctuaries and safe havens from the Taliban and other extremist elements...they're going to fight back."
In fact, most of the Taliban fighters who had been in Marja before the beginning of the operation apparently moved out of the town before the fighting started.
Petraeus seemed to be laying the basis for presenting Marja as a pivotal battle as well as a successful model for the kind of operations to follow.
The Post article implies that Petraeus and McChrystal are concerned that the Obama administration is pushing for a rapid drawdown of U.S. forces after mid-2011. The military believes, according to Jaffe and Whitlock, that a public perception of U.S. military success "would almost certainly mean a slower drawdown."
As top commander in Iraq in 2007-2008, Petraeus established a new model for reestablishing public support for a war after it had declined precipitously. Through constant briefings to journalists and Congressional delegations, he and his staff convinced political elites and public opinion that his counterinsurgency plan had been responsible for the reduction in insurgent activities that occurred during this command.
Evidence from unofficial sources indicates, however, that the dynamics of Sunni-Shi'a sectarian conflict and Shi'a politics were far more important than U.S. military operations in producing that result.
McChrystal himself seemed to be hinting at the importance of the Marja offensive's potential impact on the domestic politics of the war in remarks he made in Istanbul just before it began.
"This is all a war of perceptions," McChrystal said. "This is not a physical war in terms of how many people you kill or how much ground you capture, how many bridges you blow up. This is all in the minds of the participants."
McChrystal went on to include U.S. citizens as well as Afghans among those who needed to be convinced. "Part of what we've had to do is convince ourselves and our Afghan partners that we can do this," he said.
The decision to launch a military campaign primarily to shape public opinion is not unprecedented in U.S. military history.
When President Richard M. Nixon and his National Security Adviser Henry A. Kissinger launched a major bombing campaign against the North Vietnamese capital in late December 1972, they were consciously seeking to influence public opinion to view their policy as much tougher in the final phase of peace negotiations with Hanoi.
The combination of the heavy damage to Hanoi and the administration's heavy spin about its military pressure on the North Vietnamese contributed to broad acceptance of the later conclusion that Kissinger had gotten a better agreement in Paris in February 1973.
In fact, Kissinger had compromised on all the demands he had made before the bombing began. But the public perception was more important to the Nixon White House.
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Show AllEnd this vile evil US hostile imperial military occupation of The Republic of Afghanistan now. No wars for oil pipelines.
-"This is all a war of perceptions," McChrystal said. "This is not a physical war in terms of how many people you kill or how much ground you capture, how many bridges you blow up. This is all in the minds of the participants"
Where have I heard that before..."the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy"..."We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality"
Gee, I wonder where people get the idea that Obama is a neo-con?
Hmmm, many countries see the danger in letting military officials distort the perceptions of voters. The US has laws against domestic propaganda, but of course what are mere "laws" when weighed against secret OLC memos written by the likes of John Yoo and other lawyers under the protection of Obama's justice dept.
So in the poorest country in the world, rather than go after the heart of their supposed enemy, the Taliban, the Americans have picked a small town for bombardment, on the basis that attacking it will convince more Americans that Obama's war is meeting success and should be extended?
I'm glad for your sakes that these guys aren't in charge during a real war with a real enemy.
The next election is coming up, any word yet if there will be any non-corporatists running against the Democrats and Republicans?
The Wheel that turns in the Here is the Wheel that turns in the After. Unless they intend never to die, this world's killers cannot escape the wrath of those they have slain.
Hear, hear.
LM's in a logic term making a confusion of levels. What's here belongs here, what's there belongs there - never cross-confuse them, or else lose validity.
(Leland - are you that old-time poet of same name described [in Daniel Curzon's "Dropping names"] as "totally fluent in English, French and Spanish" with "a fate something out of a Greek myth, American style" who "had experienced a fantastic infusion of light" and "gone off the deep end, but good."? - How are you, man?)
Bloody fun, this politicking.
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I am gross and perverted
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I have existed for years
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I am the tool of the government
And industry too
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But you can't look away
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With the stuff that I say
I am the best you can get
Have you guessed me yet?
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Well this has certainly influenced my opinion - bigtime!
I am totally of the opinion that this country is being run by emotionally sick lunatics at the highest levels of the government, the military and the corporations.
Everyday, I wake up to depressing stories like these documenting the actions and ideas of the nutcases who are destroying this country. Arent we all getting just a little bit tired of these scumbags doing whatever they want to do with our country and our tax dollars? The MIC is a monster, devouring everything Goldman Sucks hasnt looted. F*** em all!
On whose side, the progressives, in this Afghanistan War, the foreign occupiers or the occupied Afghans? That's easy since the progressive always sides with the slave, never with the slave-master, even (make that especially) when the slave-master happens to be a fellow countryman. And there's no doubt as to who's the slave in this war. It's the Afghan since it's their land that's being occupied and having one's land occupied is to be enslaved. But how can the progressive, opposed as she is, both to these imperial wars and to the enslavement of a people, come out on the side of the Afghan and yet against the war itself? By demanding an immediate truce and troops out now, that's how.
"Despite the far-reaching political implications of the story, the Post buried it on page A9, suggesting that it was not viewed by editors as a major revelation."
Gareth Porter does once again a yeoman's job of bringing to light (albeit to the limited light cast by an IPS story and a CD re-posting) a story buried in the garbage bins of the MSM. His explanation of that interment--that the editors saw the story as not a "major revelation"---says volumes to the corrupted level of our perception of what is a revelation and what is ho-hum, everybody knows it, nothing to see here, let's move on; and this about a story no less startling than the assertion that our leaders have made decisions for domestic political reasons to put on the line the lives of our own forces and those of our allies and the residents of a country in which we are conducting a military operation. This is no "revelation?" What does it take for people to be shocked?
I'd suggest, however, a slightly different explanation of the placement of the story, one sufficient to have caused the Post to bury the story even though they may have recognized its newsworthy nature as a "revelation." The Post and its fellow media such as the New York Times and the Associated Press who are certified members of the Cheerleaders for the Obama Administration (CCOA) knew very well that it was a revelation which their journalistic ethic of printing "all the news that's fit to print" required them to print. But there's a loophole in that ethic to which media often have resort: not to splash it as a front page story where even the 5-minute a day front page headline reader will see it. Rather it gets buried in a place where the sun doesn't shine so often. How many of your average Post readers are going to dig as deeply in the garbage bin as an A9 story? If they dig at all, they are more likely to be searching out really "relevatory" (to them) information about who is calling whom what names today at the Winter Olympics. That way the Post and their MSM friends can be "journalists" and still be pom-pom waving CCOAs by putting the smelly stuff deep in the ground.
Whatsa matter gang? Is the domestic propaganda machine faltering just a bit? That "new era has arrived" meme isn't working quite as well for the current political charade as the "surge" did for the previous one perhaps?
It's nice to know, at least, that you actually care enough about U.S. public opinion to slaughter a few more Afghan civilians as a "morale booster." On the other hand, the lives of "foreigners" in their own land are pretty cheap, aren't they?
Refuse. Don't give them money, don't give them votes, don't let them take your kids. Refuse.
The people doing this are fucking psychopaths. We have become a pathocracy!
Manifest destiny rides again. Our generals have been trying to get this right since Custer.
Fort Marja has sort of good ring to it. If John Wayne were still around, a yellow ribbon or a green beret would be all that he would need to get public opinion back on track.
I know of an offensive that would change public opinion:
Tie up Obama, Clinton, Uncle Bobby Gates, McChrystal, Bush Jr., Cheney, Condi, and all the rest of the imperialist death mongers and have planes randomly drop bombs on them (and their families). If some die, oh well, collateral damage and all that.
I realize this is pure fantasy and unhelpful, but is turnabout not fair play?
Surely you wouldn't really advocate such a risk to the lives of the brave bombing crews, would you? Live high-altitude flights are perilous even when the targets are defenceless. Remotely controlled drones can serve the purpose equally well and it's much easier to find brave operators for them.
The US thinks it can defeat entropy and make war fresh and clean
with the new improved whiter rinse and spin, perpetual war machine.
The harder the US spins on around the faster it will fall,
The waste piles continuously grow until the struggles stall
A pity war policy is all about making war leaders look good
When it really takes strong sense and humility to stop the blood.
Instead of funding personal development for dummies, thug and terrorist
Stop paying for hired monsters to kill, and then killing might desist.
As for improving the publics perception of how the ongoing war sits,
For problem gamblers there is nothing better than stopping the loss, and calling it quits
freethedebate/agitkid -
I'm not saying you don't have a valid censorship beef, but I find it odd that I have posted numerous times on CommonDreams website questioning the official 9/11 narrative and never once (as far as I am aware) have my posts ever been deleted.
Bill from Saginaw
freethedebate -
I'm sorry about your comments being deleted. I assume that your grievances are real and valid.
Consequently, I would like to hear from Mr. Craig Brown or the CD editors. What is your side of the story? Can you be courageous enough to open it up for your CD public?
"Petraeus suggested that Taliban resistance to the operation in Marja was intense, as if to underline the importance of Marja to Taliban strategy. 'When we go on the offensive,' said Petraeus, 'when we take away sanctuaries and safe havens from the Taliban and other extremist elements..... they're going to fight back.'
"In fact, most of the Taliban fighters who had been in Marja before the beginning of the operation apparently left the town before the fighting started....
"The Post article implies that Petraeus and McChrystal are concerned that the Obama administration is pushing for a rapid drawdown of US forces after mid-2011. The military believes, according to Whitlock and Jaffee, that a public perception of military success 'would almost certainly mean a slower drawdown.'"
What's that again?
This is really Alice-Through-The-Looking-Glass material, courtesy of the Washington Post.
1. WaPo quotes Petraeus saying Marja is a key to the Taliban's strategy, but the heart of this whole article is that the attack upon Marja is basically aimed at American public opinion "perceptions."
2. WaPo quotes Petraeus saying the Taliban will fiercely resist the American offensive push into Marja, but then promptly and flatly reports how, in fact, most of the Taliban fighters fled Marja before the assault even started.
3. WaPo concludes that the Pentagon believes that creating a public perception that the Marja operation was a "successful surge" would certainly mean a slower drawdown, rather than a faster withdrawal, of US/NATO forces from Afghanistan.
Gobbledegook and lunacy now dominates the very pinnacle of the US military command heirarchy.
We attack to provoke a fight, but the enemy withdraws. This artificially produces the perception of success, at least in the minds of our soldiers, the Karzai government, and the American public. That perception of military success, in turn, will then serve to prolong the war rather than shorten it.
"This is all a war of perceptions. This is not a physical war about how many people you kill or how much ground you capture, how many bridges you blow up. This is all in the minds of the participants." - Gen. Stanley McChrystal
Sheer and utter lunacy. Eisenhower, Patton, MacArthur, Grant, Lee, and George Washington himself could probably find no method to this modern militarist madness whatsoever.
Pure gobbledegook. And you can bet your life on it.
Bill from Saginaw
Bill, even though this is a reply to your previous comment on the freethedebate/agitkid post, I'm posting it here so it won't wind up as collateral damage.
I feel very much like a previously-burned cat hopping back on the stove every time I dare to comment on comments administration here.
To make an oblique point in support of freethedebate/agitkid, one of the pernicious effects of being banned without explanation is that ultimately a victim can only guess at the true reasons for it. It may be obvious, or there may be sufficient circumstantial evidence of cause-and-effect. But they're not telling.
Assuming that the person is commenting in good faith and not wantonly trolling or flaming, etc. in the first place, the standard blog boilerplate-- published rules and automated "canned" administrative notices-- reinforces the DIY essence of determining why one was censored.
The opacity and uncertainty in the minimal admin-commenter "relationship" exacerbates the frustration and consternation.
In all humility, I myself struggle with the question of why and whether one should form such an attachment to specific Internet comments boards that it is actually traumatic to be summarily censored or banned. But there it is.
FWIW, agitkid's grievance has the ring of truth, and certainly raises appropriate criticisms. I wish him (?) luck.
· Yr Obd't Servant
I read a lot here and elsewhere, but this one made me go "wow". We are being played...again.
No matter how clutzy they can seem they just keep doing it. Yes indeed perceptions; this is a huge gamble by desperate actors, wagering on the blood of others.
I just read "Secrets" by Daniel Ellsberg, and am eagerly awaiting seeing "The Most Dangerous Man in America" next week. This is the pivotal time in Afghanistan, like 64-65 Viet Nam. It becomes more difficult to stop as casualties grow. It becomes about their honor, and not what's going on on the ground.
Pat Tillman was about perceptions, too.
Joe -
Damn right as casualties grow, the harder it gets to de-escalate the violence. It increasingly becomes all about honor and reprisal for yesterday's or last week's atrocity, less and less about what's really going on on the ground, less even still about what the ostensible political goals of the war originally were. The killing recycles itself, as if with a dynamic all its own.
One last thought on Gareth Porter's original piece, from the Can't-See-the-Forest-For-the-Trees Department:
Marja has minor military and political significance, and a population of about 50,000. The big offensive went in with roughly 15,000 US/NATO/Karzai Afghan troops.
Kandahar, also in Helmand province, has major military and regional political significance, and a population of over half a million.
The juxtaposition of these facts within the same WaPo Pentagon news analysis article is not random coincidence, nor a wise, conscientious editor's decision to include some helpful geopolitical background facts for the Post's geographically challenged readers.
If the perception is created that another "successful surge" has taken place in Marja in early 2010, just where do you think Phase II of the new, improved Obama/McChrystal counterinsurgency strategy will be targeted this fall? Could it be..... Kandahar? What troop level increases might be necessary to do the job and stay the course towards that light at the end of the tunnel?
Stay tuned. The MSM personality politics horse race coverage of this upcoming episode from the Afghan theatre of war will no doubt breathlessly focus upon whether Barack Obama will give the Pentagon the tools it needs to bring us peace with honor, or whether the reluctant wannabe War President will wimp out and stab the troops in the back. Heads they win. Tails we lose.
Like you say, it sure looks a lot like '64-'65 in Vietnam, going from ankle deep to chest deep while pretending its all about perceptions.
Bill from Saginaw
For what it's worth, these beautiful lines from an
e.e. cummings love poem could just as well describe both the US Empire mindset and its humanist critics:
...and deep in the high that does nothing but fall
with a shout
each
around we go all
there's somebody calling who's we...
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Like I said: For what it's worth.
That's so disgusting. Politicians and the Military should try to do what's right for a change instead of manipulating the masses. "The Surge" is one of the most cynical, disgusting events in American history. Killing innocents, by the way, is not the right thing. The right thing is to get out (of both countries).
Trying to shape American public opinion! The hide of them.
Who would have thought that Americans, with their superior education system (and every other system), could be manipulated? Not me.
I applaud everything that America does. Nearly.
We must have faith in the Beacon on the Hill and its nukes and its biggest army in the world. Surely a Christian nation can't be all bad!
Or can it?
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My domestic U.S. opinion on the war in Afghanistan is that it is a pointless slaughter of humanity and plunder of our treasury. I shall certanly withhold my vote for any elected official that supported or funded this catastrophy.
"This is all a war of perceptions," McChrystal said.
I "perceive" it all too well, and that's why I'm voting third party from now on.
I "perceive" that the Afghanis, Iraqis, Pakistanis, Latin Americans, Palestinians, and other designated enemies whom we are slaughtering are not our enemies.
Our enemies are the home-grown terrorists in the Dem and Repub leadership. who never saw a war, or war criminal (like McChrystal), that they didn't adore.
Given the many anonymous but supposedly reliable sources who spoke off the record, the question arises as to who actually wrote the WP article that Gareth Porter discusses? Was it, indeed, Greg Jaffe and Craig Whitlock or did they merely fit the pieces together that the anonymous but allegedly reliable intelligence and military sources gave them? And if the latter, were some of these reliable sources actually CIA/NSA plants within the WP newsroom itself. Sceptics of the possibility of this happening might google Church Committee (Idaho Senator Frank Church's 1975 Intelligence Investigative body) which found that the intelligence services had infiltrated MSM, including newspapers of record (WP, NYT & LA Times) for the purpose of shaping the news the Government's way. If my memory serves me correctly here, the Intelligence services top honchos refused to say for sure that these subversive infiltrative practices would be discontinued, but even if they did promise to discontinue them, can anyone trust these monsters to keep their word? Which means there's every reason to believe that the intelligence services are not just influencing but directly shaping the news to fit whatever the Obama administration's policy on America's multiple wars. And what could be more critical right now than shaping public opinion on tbis Marja offensive the government's way?
Here is a public perception that the public should grasp:
The war has been going on eight years. EIGHT YEARS. And what has been gained?
BUTTKISS, nada, nothing.
The only reason the USA is there with its few remaining allies is to get an oil and gas pipeline from Central Asia to supply Pakistan and India with oil and gas.
What will AMericans get? The Bill.
Despite how wild the military thinking presented seems, this article actually makes sense.
The Afghan war is mainly about justifying military expense to the domestic "market", i.e. US common tax-payers.
Apart from the specifics, note the horrific blitheness and candor with which military authorities plan a mega-violent military operation not because of some military imperative or contingency-- but to improve domestic public opinion.
They really do approach these matters with a detached, amoral "professionalism"-- as if the actual physical consequences are CGI special effects and marvellously realistic fake blood and gore conjured up to titillate the target demographic.
Welcome, My Friends, to the Show That Never Ends!
They ought to scrap all of those embarrassingly pathetic, grandiosely tacky lizard-brain titles for such travesties-- "Operation Terminal Freedom"-- and go with something like, "Operation Super-Bowl Commercial".
ALL normal, fun-loving Amerikans LOVE those.
· Yr Obd't Servant
Mordachai, your quote should read: "Welcome, My Friends, to the KILLING That Never Ends!
I am so totally ashamed of my country I cannot even put it into words. And our broken government just sits back and watches the horrific show, congratulating our troops for killing innocent people!
Meanwhile, here in Amerika, people are struggling to eke out a living because of the job shortages while our do-nothing Congress collects their fat paychecks without doing a single meaningful thing for their constituents. They're much too busy collecting their "earmarks!"
They all should have their "ears marked" as traitors!
"Senior military officials decided to launch ... in large part to influence domestic U.S. opinion"
I feel prosperous having my opinions handed to me on a silver platter. For free! I heard that the munny's for free too.
"""The Afghan war is mainly about justifying military expense to the domestic "market", i.e. US common tax-payers"""
The Afghan war is about the trillion dollars worth of gas, oil, and emeralds in their mountains. The various countries involved in the war are threatened by the World Bank to provide the military support necessary for the stealing of these goods for their foreign investors. All... ALL... leaders involved in this are committing huge acts of extortion from their own citizens, and crimes against sovereign nations and civilians. The so-called terrorists are incredibly brave people fighting to keep what is the right of the country, just like Columbia, Nicaraugua, Nigeria, Iraq, Iran, etcetera.
I am getting really ticked off at the refusal of people to address the real issue here. You probably continue to drive your cars and don't care where you buy your gas. You keep looking at the military/Pentagon as the bad guy. THEY ARE following orders too. Are you kidding me? Those people are just as much in front of the World Bank aka IMF, Zionists, ... firing squad as everyone else. The evil monster is the elephant in the room that no one can even see because they are hung up on bitching about the petty little pieces. Can someone here, or somewhere, grasp the big picture and define it? There is no US, we've been had time and again, and the mere fragments of our lifestyle are unraveling in the halls of DC because there is nothing left...they've been had too. They know it and they are attempting to play ball and save their sorry butts. The worst part is, when they are all done, there will be very little for this country as we are within a mackerel breath of being in the economic craphole like other 3rd world countries because you have continued to buy Chinese crap at Wal Mart...we've been had people, really had. There is no turning back and you better hope for some sort of weird off world alien intervention.
emeralds? really? who'd have thought... news to me... but not surprised...
NEVER shopped in walmart... never will... (unfortunately all their 'competitors' have to try mimic the same bizness model... i try buying used or locally wherever i can)
look at Greece - even with all the financial woes - they're UNIONIZED - and UNION employees - private and public - essentially just shut the country down for the 2ND time in a 2 months - to protest against the latest incarnation of - 'the [economic] shock doctrine' - (naomi klein - book)
oh... oops... forgot... reagan took care of the unions 30 years ago... check... item 1 on neo-liberal checklist... i won't list all the others here... matt tabbai just documented the latest chapter... 30 years out from the "gipper"...
OH HOLY CRAP..............
"This is all a war of perceptions," (AS IN, WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT IT) McChrystal said. "This is not a physical war (BOMBS AND GUNS DON'T COUNT)in terms of how many people you kill (ALL CIVILIANS...COLLATERAL)or how much ground you capture (AND WHAT'S UNDER IT), how many bridges you blow up (SO THEY CAN BUILD A PIPELINE WITH A MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT FOR SOME FAVORITE CONTRACTOR). (NO, IT'S ABOUT THE TRILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF RESOURCES WE PROTECT) This is all in the minds (THE WORLD BANK AND ITS INVESTORS) of the participants,THE WORLD BANK AND ITS INVESTORS."
"When we go on the offensive, (AS IN PRE-EMPTIVE TO RAPE AND PILLAGE)" said Petraeus, "when we take away sanctuaries (HOMES) and safe havens (TOWNS)from the Taliban (THE PEOPLE FIGHTING FOR THEIR COUNTRY) and other extremist elements(THE PEOPLE FIGHTING FOR THEIR COUNTRY)...they're going to fight back (BECAUSE WE ARE RAPING THEIR COUNTRY)."
McChrystal went on to include U.S. citizens (MORONS WHO BELIEVE THIS BULL SHIT) as well as Afghans (WHO ARE FAST BECOMING TALIBANEES)among those ( TO HIDE THE TRUTH OF WHAT IS HAPPENING) who needed to be convinced (DO WHAT WE TELL YOU OR YOU DIE). "Part of what we've had to do is convince ourselves (FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR STANDING WITH THE WORLD BANK)and our Afghan partners (THE AFGHAN GOVERNMENT PEOPLE AND COMPANIES WHO STAND TO BENEFIT FROM THIS WAR'S SPOILS)that we can do this," he said. pEOPLEPEOPLEpeople read between the lines, hear what is really being said.
Please dear heaven, get this.
We have failed completely to heed President Eisenhower's dire warning about the potential danger of an overpowering Military Industrial Complex. He states in the following excerpt from his farewell speech . . .
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"The conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
Down the long lane of the history yet to be written America knows that this world of ours, ever growing smaller, must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect.
Disarmament, with mutual honor and confidence, is a continuing imperative. Together we must learn how to compose differences, not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose. Because this need is so sharp and apparent I confess that I lay down my official responsibilities in this field with a definite sense of disappointment. As one who has witnessed the horror and the lingering sadness of war -- as one who knows that another war could utterly destroy this civilization which has been so slowly and painfully built over thousands of years -- I wish I could say tonight that a lasting peace is in sight."
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It seems as though we are totally disregarding the dire warning contained in this President's grave and prescient statement!!!! How are we doing as "an alert and knowledgeable citizenry???" We are now "Reaping the Whirlwind!!!" Our civilization is being utterly destroyed!!!
Thanks, Frank. I am aware of this, but never actually read this excerpt.
Unfortunately, a key phrase here is, "We recognize the imperative need for this deveopment."
There is the 'rub'! The underlying assumption is that we need it. There are warnings about it. But it is "imperative" nevertheless.
Until that piece of 'logic' is seen and understood to be a form of compliance with a patholigical mindset, nothing will change.
"...Marja will convince the American public that [...] extra troops and new tactics can yield better results [...] A second aim is said to be to demonstrate to Afghans that U.S. forces can protect them from the Taliban.[...] Despite the far-reaching political implications of the story, the Post buried it on page A9,..."
better results... uh... U.S. forces can protect them...?
were civilians being annihilated to smithereens... at a greater rate... than before U.S. forces began "protect them"...?
"buried" *it*...? along with the civilians...?
google map marja, afghanistan for a perspective of the country side... i bet if i downloaded google earth or microsoft's whatever... may get higher detail and more current... it's a few roads criss crossing a vastly desolate land... with population centers strung out along the routes...
Kudos to the Post, then.
But,
showing the Afghans that the US can protect them from the Taliban has to be mostly a euphemism for showing them that the US is more lethal than are the Taliban, so that they have to fear American coercion more.
Bill from Saginaw hits the nail on the head with his reference to Alice Through the Looking-glass. When I heard Gen McChrystal saying solemnly that he was deeply saddened by the civilian casualties, it immediately brought to mind The Walrus & the Carpenter:
"I weep for them, the Walrus said
I deeply sympathize........
.....
Holding a pocket handkerchief
Before his streaming eyes"
It suddenly seemed the perfect allegory for the whole Afghan misadventure. Enticing the oysters to walk with them & then eating them in the end.
This led me to get out my old Alice & reread bits. It simply crackles with wonderful parallels & makes one feel caught in an endless merry-go-round ride of empire building and collapse.