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TechnoratiPalestinian Group says Israelis Killed 68 Children in Gaza In Year
JERUSALEM - A prominent Palestinian human rights group says it has found evidence that 68 children were killed in the Gaza Strip in the 12 months to June this year as a result of "disproportionate and excessive lethal force" by the Israeli military.
The deaths are documented, with witness testimony, in a report published today by the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights. Many of the deaths resulted from an Israeli military incursion into Jabaliya, in eastern Gaza, in late February and early March, in which more than 100 Palestinians, at least half of them civilians, died in what Israel said was an operation to stop rockets being fired into southern Israeli towns.
Others were killed in smaller strikes before a ceasefire was reached in June between Gaza's Hamas administration and Israel. Despite occasional breaches, the truce still holds. In the year to June, another 12 children were killed by Israeli troops in the West Bank.
The rights group said many of the deaths passed without investigation, and those internal Israeli military inquiries that were held did not meet international standards of independence and transparency.
Since the start of the second intifada in late 2000, around 4,800 Palestinians have been killed by the Israeli military, including nearly 900 children. More than 1,000 Israelis have been killed, including around 120 children.
The centre cited as one example an incident in April near the village of Juhor al-Dik, when a Reuters cameraman was killed by Israeli tank fire. The same tank shells killed two children: Ahmed Aaref Farajallah, 14, and Ghassan Abu Otaiwi, 17. The Israeli military said it investigated the incident and concluded that the tank crew reached a "reasonable conclusion" that the Palestinians gathered on the road were "hostile", and said the decision to fire was "sound".
The Israeli military did not respond to the criticisms last night, because of a Jewish religious holiday. However, it has in the past repeatedly defended its military actions in Gaza, saying it does not intentionally target civilians, and noting that Palestinian militants frequently fire from civilian areas.
The centre said the killing of unarmed civilians represented grave human rights violations, and called on Israel to establish an independent commission to investigate the deaths. It condemned Palestinian militant groups that recruited children to fight and said militants should not fire missiles from in or around residential areas.
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Show All"Remembering Beit Hanoun"
Sameh A. Habeeb writing from occupied Gaza Strip,
Live from Palestine, 21 October 2008
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article9904.shtml
Since September 29, 2000:
123 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians
1,050 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis
1,061 adult Israelis and at least 4,871 Palestinians have been killed
8,341 Israelis and 32,744 Palestinians have been injured
Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none.
During Fiscal Year 2007, the U.S. gave more than $6.8 million per day to Israel and $0.3 million per day to the Palestinians.
1 Israeli is being held prisoner by Palestinians, while 10,756 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel.
0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and 18,147 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967
Israel currently has 223 Jewish-only settlements and ‘outposts’ built on confiscated Palestinian land. Palestinians do not have any settlements on Israeli land.
Details and More @
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Eileen Fleming, Citizen Journalist, Author,
Producer "30 Minutes With Vanunu" and
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http://www.wearewideawake.org/
What's your point? I know. I don't care. All of these facts are directly the responsibility of Palistinians that fight the Israelis. Israel has to defend itself and the only way to do it is to become more and more brutal. If the Palestinians stopped fighting, they could negotiate from strength and everyone would support them. As it is they kill children intentionally and then they hide amongst their children like the cowards they are.
The only thing you state that is of interest here to this board is that there are illegal settlements on the West Bank that need to be removed although if they are within the wall that is being built, I am inclined to simply change the border to include them at this point.
No, of course you are not racist or belligerent. You are really quite rational and compassionate.
Now where are those "pro-life" evangelical fundies? Oh right I forgot, to them, only a foetus means "life". Once born, they say FUCK YOU.
Such anger. Your life must really not be very enjoyable....Sucks to be you, I suppose.
And, somehow, I do not see the Islamic wackos currently running things in the West Bank and Gaza setting up abortion clinics...
I think abortion is illegal in Palestine although I would have to check. Don't think that is an issue here.
With so many of Bush's people holding Israeli passports you'd think they would do something about this - - - oh, it seems they have. No Child Left Behind, Eh?
shame on the palestinian group for saying it was "disproportionate and excessive." as if a little "lethal force" would be better.
i wonder if they want to explain what is proportionate or the right amount...
I am interested in how they define "children". For me, a 17 year 11 month old rock thrower is not a "child". Is it for this study? I am also interested in how many Israeli children have died in terrorist attacks perpetrated by Palestinians.
Go to "If Americans Knew".
Go to "If Americans Knew".
I am interested in how you would define "terroist attacks."
But anyway...
You can easily find out the number of Israelis - adults or children - who have been killed by Palestinians. You will quickly realize who is killing more of who.
But dont forget to take into consideration who is occupying who (that is if you are concerned at all with context, ethics and law), and of those Israelis killed how many were killed in the illegally occupied territories. Because you wouldnt want to forget the lawful right of Palestinians to resist aggression.
Oh. Don't ask that! Israeli kids don't mean anything compared to the poor oppressed Palestinains. Who cares if there is a bomb at a marriage or engagement... Busses? Simply legitimate targets for Palestinain freedom fighters. Airplanes and airports? Gunning down a few people is hardly a crime in light of the crimes of Israel. Rockets into Siderot? Kill a child or two (or whatever you happen to hit as you don't aim your rockets)? No problem all in the cause of freedom for Palestine.
No if you buy the whole cloth here, you have to buy Israeli blood as well. Not me. I know my history well. I know right from wrong. I know when people are ready for peace and the Palestinians are not.
Build that wall and forget about 'em.
what a joke. you know your history? maybe, but either you are intentionally distorting it or you have an inability to keep things in context or a timeline. what i am getting at is this: which came first, the occupation or the resistance?
Intentionally avoiding the root is your ultimate polemical flaw. You continue to arbitrarily choose starting points for your rants with convenient incidents that distort reality.
If you truly cared about the bomb at the marriage or engagement or the busses, airplanes, airports or Israeli children then it seems you would have a strong desire to see what is provoking all of these occurences; is Israel doing something illegal or immoral to warrant them?
If someone raped your wife and she poked his eye out would you defend the rapist and criticize your wife for being violent? Your logic in regards to the Israel-Palestine conflict certainly says so.
No, you dont care about them. You exploit them and distort the facts to justify your racism and belligerence.
TA. Try the decaf.
You can make a case for a ham sandwich having the rights to the land in the Middle East if you like. Doesn't change the facts on the ground. Israel occupies the land. It occupies the land legally. It does NOT occupy the land in the West Bank legally. (or the Golan or various small enclaves along the border). From those areas it ought to get out, but there is no incentive to do so as the locals there are enemies and why deal with your enemy? Doesn't make sense.
You can go back in history as far as you want and make a claim for anyone. For me, history there starts in 1948. End of argument. If the Palestinians fight that, fine but they lose and NO ONE CARES ENOUGH TO DO ANYTHING FOR THEM. Did you notice that? Where is their Saudi aid? Iranian aid? What has France done for them? Germany? Argentina? Surinam? Morocco? Nothing. Not a fig except talk. Palestine is an open sore that no one wants to address and will not address.
The root of the problem is that Palestinians want their land back. OK. Can't have it. Bye. Find something else to do with your time and energy. Adieu!
It does not matter one iota what the root cause is. Palestine needs to stop fighting now. They have the power for peace when it hurts more to keep fighting. Someday that will come and it will be on worse terms every year. Settle now and stop the killing.
The Palestinians have done more than poke eyes. They are the agressor here, lets not lose sight of that. Obama doesn't of course and that is what makes me most happy about everyone here's support for him. He is going to keep helping Israel.
Also I am not racist nor belligerent. I want peace very much and I know that it comes with a cost. A cost that is going to be paid by Palestine and every year that cost gets bigger. Lets end it now. Make peace and then negotiate. You will in fact see them in a stronger position if they do.
Remember what help the Palestinian cause has around the world. Look at everyone rushing to boycott Israel... It ain't happening. This is not a world issue, its up to Palestine to make peace.
Hi Namaste! figure out what that name means yet?
No. Palestinians ARE the problem. They lost a war and haven't figured that out yet. Once they do and start to deal with the problem as it is today as opposed to 1947, they are going to get a better deal.
As to the cease fire, there were still rocket attacks although fewer. Some peaceful people those Palestinians are.
Nah. A wall is what's needed there. It works fine between Israel and the West Bank. Soon there will be two states with a wall and no further contact between Israel and Palestine. That will be a tough peace, but fair considering that the Palestinians still resist.
Protecting Israel is a progressive cause and that you don't support that is sort of odd. Anyway, what you want won't happen and what I want is happening more and more daily. Progressives are going to win on this issue of course as Obama is on our side as well.
At least you can still have something to complain about.
What about Palestinian citizens of Israel. Inside the State of Israel, how do their rights and treatment compare to the Jewish citizens?
Well, they are allowed to vote in free elections, and are the ONLY Arabs in the Arab world, outside of maybe Iraq, with this right. They are allowed to criticize their government, and are not locked up for it, unlike EVERYWHERE else in the Arab world.
… it means ( in part ) that even ZIONazi extremists have a soul …
Namaste
Thanks still doesn't mean that you do though. Like the blood of Israelis on your hands?
… with some Chianti and Fava beans
Thought so. Really over time you reveal yourself to be a dispicable human being. I am sorry for you.
Thank you ( et tu step ).
You remind me so well of exactly how much more there is for me to learn and grow in compassion. Please do continue to present your illuminating discourse, for no one can quite do such a job as you.
I do really appreciate your recognition of the Palestinians and my human beingness, and it is so awesome that you were capable of noticing such. I know it's such a small beginning, but there's always room for hope, right ?
May you and others long reflect upon your words that so often mean the opposite of reality, of your doesn't fit -- must acquit -- moral superiority and righteousness lost in a ocean of suffering denied.
Namaste
:-) Nice to know you care.
Remember another 8 years of Palestine in the wilderness. Time to finish the wall. End of problem. Obama '08!
There needs to be an investigation on the deaths in the West Bank. Would be nice to see specific incidents and where they occured. From Gaza, Israel is recieving rocket fire, when you target the rockets, of course children are going to get killed. Simple solution there, stop firing rockets and Israel stops responding. Peace in the ME is easy if the Palistinians stop fighting, if they don't then what suprise is there if people die in return?
Palestine's time has come to step up to peace. no one in the world is doing anything for them and the world's trade with Isreal grows every year. If the Palestinians want peace they need to conceed everything at this point.
You claim Israel is receiving rocket fire? Are you sure about that? Wouldnt it be Palestine receiving rocket fire since it is Israel who is illegally occupying the land being fired upon lawfully?
Israel doesnt own the land that is being fired upon with rocket attacks so you cant say they are receiving rocket attacks anymore than you can say America is being attacked in Bagdhdad.
I bet in 1980 Russia was being attacked in Kabul.
In 1945 Germany was being attacked in France, Poland, etc while Japan was being attacked in Vietnam.
Nope. Good try though. Siderot is in Israel as set up by the UN in 1948. The rockets are coming from Gaza which was outside of Israel then and now.
Palestine is two spots of land on either side of Israel. Israel is the land in the middle. Israel occupies Israel. Palestine occupies Palestine. There is not going to be an adjustment of the border.
Your history is good though. Russia, the soviet union, invaded Kabul in 1979 so yes it was being attacked in Kabul in 1980. Germany was being attacked in France and Poland in 1945. Japan was being attacked in French Indochina, Vietnam had not been established at that time. That was all part of World War II, you might have heard of it somewhere...
Next question?
Siderot is a settlement.
Palestine is currently separate in to "two spots" due to the illegal occupation.
And Russia, the country, was not attacked in Afghanistan. Russian invaders were.
Similarly Israel was not attacked in the occupied territories though some of their invaders have been...
I'm sorry. I don't get what part of Israel you think is illegal? The part we see on the map shaped like Arafat's Kafiya is Israel, the other two parts of it on either side are Palestine. The missles come from Palestine into Israel. I don't get your argument.
Of course it was Russian invaders that the Afgans attacked in Kabul. The Russians were occupying Afgan territory.
Israel is not occupying Palestinian territory except for parts of the WB, Golan Heights and some small enclaves. I miss your point entirely.
People like you with ( little or ) no room for Palestinian human and civil rights
__ are the main PROBLEM.
The Palestinians are the oppressed apartheid segregated vilified victims, overall, and although the rocket fire has occurred in the PAST, there has been a PEACEFUL moratorium for several months.
Israel consistently ignores these PEACE overtures overtures, incites further violence ( like to school children attacked and killed by settlers ), and illegally adds more settlers tot he region.
Your unreal statements match your goose stepping zionazism name.
Namaste
Call me a poo-poo doo-doo head now and put that pacifier down when you talk honey.
There you go again, proving just how sorry one can get -- it is a phenomenal ability you have -- to avoid even the slightest attempt at rational discourse.
As for the the wretched state of your hair, perhaps if you refrained from so much a$$ kissing and licking "service" to Israel, it might just get better ?
Namaste
Tell it like it is, baby. ;)