A B-52 bomber mistakenly loaded with five nuclear warheads flew from Minot Air Force Base, N.D, to Barksdale Air Force Base, La., on Aug. 30, resulting in an Air Force-wide investigation, according to three officers who asked not to be identified because they were not authorized to discuss the incident.
The B-52 was loaded with Advanced Cruise Missiles, part of a Defense Department effort to decommission 400 of the ACMs. But the nuclear warheads should have been removed at Minot before being transported to Barksdale, the officers said. The missiles were mounted onto the pylons of the bomber's wings.
Advanced Cruise Missiles carry a W80-1 warhead with a yield of 5 to 150 kilotons and are specifically designed for delivery by B-52 strategic bombers.
Air Force spokesman Lt. Col. Ed Thomas said the transfer was safely conducted and the weapons were in Air Force custody and control at all times.
However, the mistake was not discovered until the B-52 landed at Barskdale, which left the warheads unaccounted for during the approximately 3 1/2 hour flight between the two bases, the officers said.
An investigation headed by Maj. Gen. Douglas Raaberg, director of Air and Space Operations at Air Combat Command Headquarters, was launched immediately to find the cause of the mistake and figure out how it could have been prevented, Thomas said.
Air Force officials wouldn't officially specify whether nuclear weapons were involved, in accordance with long-standing Defense Department policy regarding nuclear munitions, Thomas said. However, the three officers close to the situation did confirm the warheads were nuclear.
Officials at Minot immediately conducted an inventory of its nuclear weapons after the oversight was discovered, and Thomas said he could confirm that all remaining nuclear weapons at Minot are accounted for.
"Air Force standards are very exacting when it comes to munitions handling," he said. "The weapons were always in our custody and there was never a danger to the American public."
At no time was there a risk for a nuclear detonation, even if the B-52 crashed on its way to Barksdale, said Steve Fetter, a former Defense Department official who worked on nuclear weapons policy in 1993-94. A crash could ignite the high explosives associated with the warhead, and possibly cause a leak of the plutonium, but the warheads' elaborate safeguards would prevent a nuclear detonation from occurring, he said.
"The main risk would have been the way the Air Force responded to any problems with the flight because they would have handled it much differently if they would have known nuclear warheads were onboard," he said.
The risk of the warheads falling into the hands of rogue nations or terrorists was minimal since the weapons never left the United States, according to Fetter and Michael O'Hanlon, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, an independent research and policy think tank in Washington, D.C.
The crews involved with the mistaken load at the 5th Bomb Wing at Minot have been temporarily decertified from performing their duties involving munitions pending corrective actions or additional training, Thomas said.
Air Combat Command will have a command-wide mission stand down Sept. 14 to review their procedures in response to this oversight, he said.
"The Air Force takes its mission to safeguard weapons seriously," he said. "No effort will be spared to ensure that the matter is thoroughly and completely investigated."
©2007 Army Times Publishing Company
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Show AllI guess this is just a coincidence?
Since the story broke 7 days ago, about the missing nuke\clandestine operation from Minot, we have the following for those who are paying attention:
1. All six people listed below are from Minot Airforce base
2. All were directly involved as loaders or as pilots
3. All are now dead
4. All within the last 7 days in 'accidents'
http://www.kfyrtv.com/News_Stories.asp?news=10465
http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070915/BREAK...
http://www.kxmc.com/News/161562.asp
http://www.kxmc.com/getArticle.asp?ArticleId=140988
http://www.bismarcktribune.com/articles/2007/07/20/news/state/136489.txt
http://www.komotv.com/news/local/9679367.html
Silly me, seeing more than there is to this story. I guess this is just another coincidence.
But no doubt now that there will be more coincidences in the near future because as I have stated before, you need about fourteen signatures to get an armed nuke onto a B-52, and they may have told their wives and friends.
Your examples are good, but incomplete.
A Airbus (300?) was shot down by US, mistaken for an F18, the story goes. 200 already dead persons may have been a fake set up. The Shah of Iran was the only country an F-18 was ever xported to, so some say.
The US missile frigate Stark had been partly distroied by an X-oset missile from a Mirage Irac fighter (automatic Gatling gun protection having been turned off) earlier, giving an inexpliciple reason to turn on Iran, the coustimer for billions of $ of arms from Isreil, paid for by US$s. $17M from Iran-contra was a cut-out story.
Mistakes, in the military, do not happen.
The United States used Saddam Hussein to wage a war with Iran.(He was handled as a CIA Operative by James Critchfield from 1959.) For nine years, he was given weapons, chemicals, training, and money.
The United States had sent a naval fleet into Iranian waters to provoke an attack, kind of like the Gulf of Tonkin that never happened, however, the Iranians refused to attack. The United States then arranged an accident. They shot down an Iranian Airliner with over 200 passengers by "ACCIDENT" (The difference between a 747 on scheduled flight and a MIG fighter plane are easily determined.)....The Iranians refused to take the bait and got Hussein to agree to end the war a few weeks later.....
Congress has abrogated its responsibilities to Conservative and Neo-Conservative Policy Groups in the Public and Private Domains for over 50 years. CIA, FBI, and NSC have set up private companies to avoid Congressional scrutiny. Some of those agencies have been linked to mis-information about: The Kennedy Assassinations, The Gulf of Tonkin lies, The attacks of 9/11, The Invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.
The missles on that B 52 were loaded by order, not by accident. Who gave the order will be covered up. The real purpose of the order will also be covered up.
The corporate media will not pick up on this story as they refused to pick up on the CIA hacking of Wikipedia and as they have for the past 8 years....
Read about Club Bilderberg. The Pundit from Canada has it right.....Donald Rumsfeld admitted in 2002, "We can not account for 2.3 trillion dollars of DOD expenses....The GAO follwed that up in 2003 adding, "The DOD can not account for another 1 trillion dollars of expenses. That is a lot of money going "Off Record".
No B52 is loaded without orders.
I just joined this group
P.S.
Minot Personnel
The predecessors: (Nothing like this has ever happened on their watch)
Lt. Gen. Robert J. Elder Jr.
Col. Eldon A. Woodie
Those possibly culpable in this brazen covert operation against US Citizens:
Col. Emig
Col. Robert Critchlow, 91st Operations Group commander
Col. Marty Whelan, 91st Space Wing
Chief Master Sgt. Mark Clark
The enlightened: (those who should immediately be given 24 hr protections)
First Lt. Aaron Cook
Captain Jason Hopkin
Senior Airman Justin Decker
...or we'll have another Ft. Bragg 'situation': i.e.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/aug2002/brag-a02.shtml
More of Cheney's shenanigans ?
In Canada, we require a min. of 10 signatures in various log books to ship any munition by air, and since we are talking about nuclear ordinance here, that would require about 8 more. So what do we now have on our hands?
Sabre-Ratting? Maybe. It doesn't hurt, but then it never amounts to much either unless it's backed up. Four years of huffing and puffing @ Kim Jong Il have only emboldened him to force the US to finally capitulate on most of their original demands. So no.
Ineptitude? - at least 24 signatures, in a variety of log books, on two different bases spread across the country, all officially sanctioned by their commanding officers. These are air force personnel, at all levels. I don't think so.
Perimeter or Operations Test? Awfully expensive way to test operational procedure. The PSYOPS mouthpieces are in damage control mode though, so that argument is untenable.
Covert Operation? Very possible. A covert operation to strike Iran (think Nicaragua\El Salvador 70's) without the official sanction or oversight of Gates' office, perhaps either to shield him, or rogue elements [* this has all the hallmarks of Cheney's paw prints]. [Remember: TWO bases involved here, so at least one person at the level of Lt. Commander or higher calling the shots. Conceivable? Yes. Practicable? Definitely.
The most tenable scenario though, is a setup by Cheney to 'lose' some nukes for a definite hit, either domestically, or internationally; but in either case, a false-flag operation. Why? Because Cheney needs a poster-boy and a poster-incident to galvanize the populace around his plan to nuke Iran, and a false flag operation on American soil may do the trick. It's a pretty big gamble to kill that many estimated civilians to galvanize support - however the Democrat Congress under Peolsi might as well be Republican, and she is doing absolutely nada that the citizenry voted them in on.
A) The nukes were left on the tarmack for up to 12 hours, fully crated and completely un-guarded, i.e. for immediate load and dispersal.
B) They were fully activated and mounted in flight, no doubt to verify their operational capability.
BTW, has anyone noticed that the US MIL has pulled all stops to look for Fossett? That makes for a nice humanitarian, black hawk down, hollywood twist, but the reality is that they have never done this in their entire history: pull out the stops for civilian search and rescue operations: not even on 911. No, they are looking for something 'bigger'.
Remember that the original story was '5' nukes'; the revised figure is now '6', but I believe we still have only '5' accounted for. It would appear one is missing."Houston, we have problem...".
Ironically the only way back to a sane (i.e. Ron Paul) US foreign policy may rest with Vladimir Putin. The Russian Bear is fully awake as of late and he is understandably, none too pleased.
I have to search for it, It's in one of my files. Here is a good one from Gulf War vets.
http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/ArticleID/8261
Hey Ken, I'm an idiot. I thought you meant my name. Let me check on the link. I'll bang my head against the wall for awhile first.
Plan R ws in the movie Dr. Strangeglove. Great movie, it fits right in with this bomber incident
What is Plan R?
I never thought about it, but since you brought it up, It don't bother me. Yours is fine with me too,___ whatever makes your heart pucker.
Kem Patrick (do you really think it should be all caps???),
My daughter is here talking to me just now so i totally forgot what i was going to say. Oh well. Hey you are in Arizona, i'm here in North Carolina. We both love our family.
Peace,
Ken Hausle
Military training film about DU danger.
http://www.youtube.comAwatch?v=U93PBZIyqBS
Jungleboy, good show. Let us know what the physicist's
findings are.
All ionizing radiation is deadly, there is NO safe threshold. A major problem is, there are some very well written links on the internet, written by agencies who are usually connected in some way to governments, which state DU is not harmful. W.H.O. is one example. The problem is, they were written before a great deal was known about ionized DU. Two doctors who worked for W.H.O. wrote about the dangers of DU nano-particles, their papers were trashed and they were fired.
No government wants to admit using a weapon of mass destruction, after they have already released two or more thousand tons of it into the Earth's atmosphere and sold thousands of tons to other nations. One military doctor, a Dr Rooke, blew the whistle about DU. He was relieved of duty and has been literally demonized. He is currently dying of cancer.
Two ironic things that occurred, while one department of the Pentagon was informing everyone DU was absolutely harmless, the DOD produced a training film for the troops which explained, if they inhaled any DU they would suffer from any number of diseases, including cancer and that their children could be born with birth defects.
Of course in the film, they also stated that DU was a heavy metal and therefore the wind would not carry any dust very far from where a DU shell had burned and if they wore protective gear they would be in no danger. Well, nano-particles of DU are microscopic, smaller and lighter than a grain of pollen. They are so small gas mask filters will not trap them and of course the wind can carry them for thousands of miles. It takes special meters to identify DU radiation readings and only the government has the meters. Only government labs can test urine samples for DU also, a thousand dollar test. People are sick or die from cancer and if DU caused the cancer no one would ever know.
NATO sent a memo to ALL of their Commanders, informing them that if troops inhaled DU particles, they could permanently suffer from disabling diseases and their children could be born with serious medical problems and defects. One government hand does not know what the other hand is doing. Have we ever seen that in government? The best defense against DU particles? ___ Don't inhale.
To me it sounds like the most likely explanation is that Cheney was trying to sneak some nukes into the Middle Eastern theater (Barksdale air base in Louisiana is apparently the main departure point for material to be flown to that theater) to be used against Iran and some whistleblowers tried to let us know what was up.
If Cheney does nuke Iran, there are no more "good Germans" in this country. Then all US citizens will be able to see clearly what their government is and will have to choose whether they are with the insane monsters running Washington or against them. In the aftermath of such an attack many people around the world will conclude that the US is the equivalent of Nazi Germany, while most others will conclude the US is worse.
Hey Ken, KEM, I'm trying to get a fusion physicist to give all the data regarding DU to me in a concise format outline form with all the math regarding unburnt and burnt DU. He wants to know too. Its a tough topic that is based half on theory like all atomic work. Its so hard to test. Its not like you can just grab a teaspoon and measure. Most sites don't give a trust able account of both types of contactable DU, compressed and aerosol. Nobody says why we use so much.
“Air Force standards are very exacting when it comes to munitions handling,†he said. “The weapons were always in our custody and there was never a danger to the American public.â€
What was that article about that said millions of weapons are missing and unaccounted for in Iraq?
Except when we sell them to the enemy...
BECKYb, Thank you for that website. After reading the article, it 'appears', there is somethng sinister here. There is NO WAY those atomic weapons could have been loaded on the B-52H aricraft accidently. (Impossible.) Since it is the Army Times that has published the story, I don't doubt what the reporter is writing either. I am amazed it ever got past the editors, unless the story came out first in a major news outlet.
We'll get a story that the MMS commander was permanently relieved of duty, the team that "accidently" loaded the weapons were re-trained or some other possible punishmet, for violation of technical data and Air Force regulations. But we won't ever know if anything was planned, or what was possibly planned. ___ Never!
The stand-down of ALL Air Force bases and aircraft is unusual, in that what possible necessity could there be? I can see all bomber bases and any base where nukes are stored being shut down for a inspecion of policies and Commanders briefing of specific troops and troops signing statements that they fully understod the applicable regulations and technical data. Well, maybe the standown is to insure "overkill". We can't be too careful when handling nukes can we.
Hi Ken, believe it or not, there are one million, three hundred thousand websites on the subject of DU. Some of the first are written by those who deny its dangers. As I stated, the facts are it is deadly if you inhale a single speck and if it's use is continued it will eventually kill all life on this planet. Not my words, but I agree with those opinions as they are proven to be factual.
I am concerned about nuclear weapons also, to date we have exploded two small yield atomic bombs with the intent to kill people. Those were very small in comparison to what is now available. Several have been exploded in above gound tests. DU radiation is far more deadly than that from any atomic weapon and the radiation danger lasts far far longer. It had been for many years and it is, safe to live in Hiroshema, it is not safe to live in Baghdad and it never will be safe for anyone to live there. It's unlikely we can end the nuclear bombs from being used as a military threat, when and if enough people get the truth out about DU we could stop its use. If we don't, ___well, that's life. You know what Ken, I don't worry about anything anymore at my age. My kids worry about it, they wonder where the birds and bees are this year too. They both are in the medical field and they see kids being treated for and dying from cancer ___ every day.____ Lots of them. Here is just one website about the danger of DU.
www.protecthawaii.ws/page2.html
Kem,
Depleted uranium health effects are definitely serious, but the website below indicates to me that the risk may not be as great as you suggest.
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs257/en/index.html
Its just one source, but I did check it out.
I am much more concerned about nuclear weapons "mistakenly" being loaded onto air force planes as well as nuclear weapons within submerged subs throughout the worlds oceans. I am much more concerned about a broken military serving a sick civilian executive branch in the final stages of continued chaotic escalation. I am incredibly concerned about unprecedented ecological imbalances that the current world leadership seems virtually incapable of addressing all the while the situation gets more and more dire.
On so many levels i am so tired of plundering militaristic capitalist "business as usual" practices and pompous egotistical power brokers in back rooms and under tables making decisions as if they were somehow superior. I don't think i am the only one who is tired and all indications are this entire planet is tired of humanity.
The turn will happen regardless because we are in the last throes of an unsustainable orgy (see the "Fourth Turning - An American Prophecy" for additional detail), but obviously where we end up remains to be seen. Time will tell.
Peace,
Ken Hausle
beckyb,
Thanks for the link. The first page of the "comments" section tells it all. Everyone is asking what the f@#$ happened?
For some reason the forward slash is missing from the end of the above link- now it should work
http://www.militarytimes.com/news/2007/09/airforce_nuclear_warhead_07090...
Read the article in Military Times http://www.militarytimes.com/news/2007/09/airforce_nuclear_warhead_07090...
Here is a quote from it about the "stand down" on 9/14
"Air Combat Command will have a command-wide mission stand-down Sept. 14 to review its procedures in response to the mistake. Even units without oversight of nuclear weapons will take part in the stand-down, Thomas said."
Then read the comments pages. Very interesting stuff.
Okay Ken, Peace. No sir, I didn't say we have to live with the mess of atomic power or weapons. I mean we WILL continue to live with it, until the leaders of this worud come togeather and solve those most serious problems. We do have to live with the atomic waste problem forever and ever___ amen. We do, unless by some miracle, some smart scientists figure out a method of destroying plutonium and the other billion years long, man made poisons which accumulate at atomic power plants daily, all over the Earth.
DU Ken? It has been medically proven, that if you inhale a single nano-particle of DU, it can enter the lung or cross the olfactory bulb and enter the brain. Once lodged on lung or brain cells, it will bombard them with over 10,000 times the radiation allowed by a chest x-ray. It will radiate continually, not for seconds like an x-ray does. Cancer of cells is assured. Metastasis will then allow cancerous cells to break off and migrate to any part of the body and another cancer factory will ensue. Cancer in the liver, colon, prostrate, kidney, breast, bone marrow, where it will alter DNA and be passed on to a fetus. Rare cancers are becoming to be "unrare".
Children are much more susceptible, for their cells are being manufactured at a high rate and their immune systems are not fully developed. Those are not my words, they come from doctors who specialize in nuclear medicine. Sure some patients body's will fight cancer, why use DU for anything and see how many innocent children are sucessful in a fight they don't deserve. Google childhood cancer and see what the cancer rates are in this country. Forty years ago and before, cancer was normally for old guys and gals like us, not kids. Autism is another DU hazard. Who ever heard of autism 30 years ago? It was rare, autism is now approaching epidemic status, babies are born daily with that horrible malady. Why? Again, not my words, I'm repeating others.
A DU tank shell has ten pounds of DU, or about 10 billion nano-particles of death, blowing in the wind. How many DU tank shells have been fired off daily since 1970? How many 30mm 3.5 pound DU Gatling gun shells have been fired? How many DU 2,000 pound bunker buster bombs have been exploded? Over 28 country's now use the damn stuff, practice fire with it. We've used thousands of tons in the Mid-East and here in the United States on firing ranges. Dust blows in the air. DU dust is deadly. Remember, 10 billion specks in ONE tank shell and each microscopic speck will be prepared to kill for billions of years. Finally, what is really killing off the birds and the bees? There are many theories. I do know DU will kill any living matter, even bacteria.
Not my words. ___ Check it out.
The whole military enterprise is power/paranoia-driven. They are hardly the types to be entrusted with nukes. The enterprise should simplt be de-funded - through individual action: reduction of taxable income.
Michael, I'd give the Chertoff my back to know how Saddam got his Nuclear Armed Advanced Cruise Missiles to Minot. Was it via UPS?
STINGER, excellent. I wonder of anyone else has any suggestions we could hand to congress (in a mammer where they would listen to we the people?)
OK, Kem. Fine.
Yes these days words like "kidnapping" can set me off. I won't deny it.
Nuclear weapons arose as a result of World War II, and if there was anything i might "wish" for i'd with them away. But as you say, they are here and we need to learn how to live with them (you did say this didn't you?). And as all of us who are familiar with risk know, when the risk is catastrophic then pre-emptive defensive efforts need to be intense.
With respect to DU i am not trying to dismiss the risk, but it is an over-simplification to state one tiny weeny little DU particle and....SHAZZAM....cancer. This is possible, but lets give the human body some credit. Our bodies are capable of defending themselves, and in the vast preponderance of incidents, our boides can fend off one particle or wave or whatever DU manifests itself as. I've seen you present it this way and i just thinnk it is a bit misleading.
Peace,
Ken Hausle
Ken, I was listening and I don't have any problem with reading comprehension. Are you having a bad day or what is the problem? You wrote you were a dreamer and ended your opinions with, you were just a hopeful fella. I replied to you that I 'hoped' you were correct, but offered my opinions on the subject of atomic power and how I feel it is not possible to put the error, or genie, back in the bottle. Atomic power and weapons is now much more complex than just splitting the atom and you know it. You don't have to agree with me, or I with you and no, I don't think your simple opoinion on the most serious issue makes good sense.
As far as your opinion about DU goes, have it your way, I don't care. I only express the data of what it has proven to have been done already and that offered by scientists and doctors who state DU is deadly, and if we don't stop using it we can destroy all life on this planet. If you disagree, you are disagreeing with those expert opinions not mine. I did think you were smarter than that however.
As far as the kidnapping joke I had wth Rebel Farmer, why should that word set you off? Did you read the prior blogs on this string about computer problems this week. I was joking and if Rebel farmer is offended, she can let me know and I won't ever joke with her about such again. How many times have we read here on Common Dreams, comments about the Halliburton Jack Boots coming to get us all? How many comments about the secret prisons and black helicoptors? There are thousands of comments written on the subject. Some are written in a joking manner. So go after all of the bloggers you feel are in bad taste Ken. Knock yourself out. Oh yeah, _____ Peace!
Good grief there are some crazy people here. A huge error was made and at least one commander has been fires over it already. There are a few things some of the alarmists here should know.
1. Nukes are safer than conventional weapons. It is virtually impossible for the anyone involved in transporting these weapons to have caused a detonation.
2. The airplane took off and landed in a highly secure environment. Nuclear weapon systems - enen in the absence of the weapons themselves, are handled very carefully. This error left so many other safeguards in place that there was no chance of anything happening.
3. All nuclear weapons in the US belong to the DOE - the services may have them, but they don't own them.
4. We fly aircraft with conventional weapons all the time. Those weapons are much more dangerous to transport than a nuke.
plus, someone on another thread mentioned something about posts "in bad taste", and any reference to things like "kidnapping" and such, even as a jest, is nonetheless in bad taste in my opinion....particularly when expressed to another living human...is there something you know that we don't.....share your knowledge, why not?
Peace,
Ken Hausle
Kem, you were not listening. I did not say all this atomic ridiculous is not REAL. I just said it can be pressured back into the bottle, and I think this just makes good sense. I thought you felt likewise.
Also, not to be contrary, but i think you have overestimated the risk associated with DU, but i could be wrong.
Peace,
Ken Hausle
Dream on Ken, wish your dreams could come true, it's sort of like wishing on a star though and Pinnochio is fiction. Atomic power and atomic weapons and waste are real.
How many nations have atomic weapons and or use DU ammunition and spread nuclear waste over the entire Earth's atmosphere? How many nuclear power plants are in operation world wide, producing tons of forever lasting nuclear waste on a daily basis. How much nuclear waste is leaking every second into our aquifers, rivers, lakes and oceans? Where do we start to put the genie back into the bottle, when our nations leaders cannot even agree on what to do about the global warming issue? Which major nuclear weapons holder will put theirs away first?
You and I can press the issue, every American can press the issue, do you believe that would impress China, Russia, India, Pakastan, Isreal, Great Britian or France? Not this year or next, nor anytime in the foreseeable future. Time is growing short and time is the only thing of real importance humanity really has.
Kem - as a "dreaming engineer", it is my opinion that the genie of "atom splitting" can be put back in the bottle....just pressure it from all angles.....plus, we can learn from the experience....
...but you know me, i'm just a hopeful fella....
Peace,
Ken Hausle
Yes Rebel, I fully agree with you on that, if it works out, perhaps we could have another. Oh, I'm truly glad to see they didn't kidnap you,__ didn't believe they would and they better not.
Hey Paul, do we need to know? The sadness of it all, is any nation had any nukes in the first place. The genie was let loose when the geniuses split the first atom.
So here's the $64,000 question:
Are those nukes being transported back to ND? Or not?
May I humbly suggest (from outside USA borders) that #2 or 3 be the freezing and seizure of the accounts held by contractors like KBR, Halliburton, Blackwater and any others that have had their pockets lined in the utter decimation of Iraq and the heist of the US treasury and foreign borrowing accounts.
The other should definitely be related to the beginning of real reconstruction of Iraq, including the promised water & power facilities, hospitals and schools. Lots of materials could be salvaged from the 'embassy' compound that much of what was the Iraqi treasury went to build.
But this one day strike has already been organized and hopefully will make a first stab at getting the Congress's attention. Let's see how it goes.
The Sept 11 national strike is a good idea, but if we REALLY want to get the attention of our "leaders", we'd have a Teamsters style strike. ___ I'm serious!
Not just a one day walkout, a full blown, knock down, drag out National strike. Everyne working call in with the flu, no one buys ANYTHING, except bare essentials. See if the truckers unions would join in and nothing moves. After five or less days of it, including peaceful sign holding street protests across the nation, we have a trusted spokesperson meet with Congress and submit a list of ten grievences. (Keep it short and sweet). Once the grievences have been read to Congress by someone, such as Kem Bassinger, Jimmy Carter or Robin Williams, someone who will be well recognized, but not classified by the majority as a total nutcase, the strike will be put in a truce mode for a week. Congress will have to act on all ten articles during that weeks time, or the full blown strike will resume.
(Grievience number one.) Congress has three days to enforce the law of our Constituton and begin the legal and required impeachment process of our president and the vice president, as is written in the law of the land.
Grievience number 2. Thru 10 ?????????
I read all the comments and no one ever mentioned Presidential Directive 51 (quietly signed in April and with an obvious lack of notice from the MSM), that gives Bush complete control over the entire government in the event of a national man-made or natural emergency.
The real kicker is that 'he' would determine what constituted such an emergency, when it began, and when (or if) it ends (if ever). Maybe I have been wearing my tin foil hat too many hours lately, but after some pretty damning evidence I found indicating 911 was definitely an inside job I just don't think we should trust that lying encapsulated sack of bilgewater (or his perverted friends) any farther than Kem Patrick can see with his one good eye shut.
Is this a test drive just to see if such an emergency, causing the invocation, of #51, declaration of martial law, cancellation of the 2008 elections, and an 'endless war of terror' against America without end, could be carried off? Sounds like the groundwork for another 'false flag' operation like 911 is being laid out & test driven to me, especially after Kem laid out the military security procedures for nuclear devices so well.
I rather doubt this was an'accident'. Didn't Chertoff just warn us of an impending terrorist attack against the US before next summer based on a 'gut' feeling? What are they prepping us for now? I realize fear, paranoia, and caution are different things, but to walk down (or be led down) the same path, and expect to end up in a different location seems like insanity to me. Don't be fearful, my friends, but watch the illusionists very very closely, and be prepared to claim fraud..
Ken, your not alone but some of us did have to go to bed....
I'm goning to try again:
National Strike Sept 11
no-one seems to be here so i'll keep rambling....like a nomad......
....why don't we also simultaneously have a "sub up" order....you know just to make sure all the subs are doing OK. They could come back to shore and have a bit of R&R. We all could use some R&R.
Peace,
Ken Hausle
You know as i make this entry using the big "w" system (wordpress...) it occurs to me.
September 14th is the air force stand down day. Just for kicks why not have the standdown last for awhile. Simple.
Anyhow, why do we need a bunch of planes flying all over the place. It just seems wasteful to me as well as threatning. Tell me how that is helping???
Peace,
Ken Hausle
Here is some more "air force" BS:
"Israeli planes bomb Syrian targets: Syrian agency"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070906/ts_nm/syria_israel_dc;_ylt=AnAuudKVw...
Israel got their butts handed to them in Lebanon, but they keep trying to be the great mideast bully (i'm not sure they know how else to behave - isn't there a younger generation in Israel that could perhaps start calling the shots....). Anyhow, now the quesiton is - will Israel ever learn? If not, then its fairly evident what the end will be....
Ken Hausle
Interesting, isn't it, that "the nukes were never in danger of being seized by terrorist groups" since "the plane never left U.S. airspace".
Why, you'd never know that the largest terrorist groups in this country are white supremist, that they launched a successful strike against a federal installation in Oklahoma city in the mid 1990s, that there are good sized contingents of such yahoos in various branches of the military, and that they're extremely adept at covering their own tracks- not that it matters much, since most people don't think "white supremist" anymore when they think of terrorists in the U.S.
And before anybody shouts "conspiracy nut" here, I'm not saying this is what happened. I'm just saying there are serious breaches in the armor, some of which aren't even being thought about by some of us. Nobody else mentioned this possibility here, did they?
KEM
my question is: are they going to take them back to minot air force base???just asking............
REBELNOW
ha ha ha ha ha.................very funny!!!!!!!!!
eshu - i think your comment has merit. Combine white supremist idealogy with endtime-loving psuedo-christian believing and we have the recipe for catastrophe on an unprecedented scale. This RISK is REAL (just like global warming and so many other human-induced inbalances). It is so real that it is almost unreal....its just crazy.
Anyhow, the bottom line i think is someone of integrity within the military (you are out there aren't you????) needs to get to the bottom of exactly what transpired and whom were responsible for a B-52 "mistakenly" flown with nuclear weapons. Based on what some have said, this sort of "mistake" just can't happen by mistake. Something is (or was) up, and the military better explain what happened and the explanation must not be a cover up. Otherwise, its just business as usual and sooner or later we will be over the cliff.....
The only good news that seems to be coming out of this story is that we have even gotten wind of it in the first place....
Gracious - this country needs some serious help....
Peace,
Ken Hausle
This incident is just another brick in the wall. The country now needs a new name..insead of the United States of America, it can now be called The United States of Insanity.
Just the thought that these weapons were 60 times greater than those used on Nagasaki and Hiroshima makes me sick to my stomache. We are that insane.
Save your conspiracy theories and stop spreading ignorant bull. Didn't anybody read about this before making remarks?
I was sitting here reading these posts and I just overheard two cockroaches;
"Any day now Chippy, any day now".
"Really Poppa? We're gonna rule the planet?"
"Yep, any day now".
Each passing day brings something more bizarre then the day before.
"Truth is stranger than fiction."
I had the same computer problem last week.
Rebel Farmer, how ya doin? As a matter of fact yesterday afternoon, I was online but when I tried to log onto Common Dreams, my computer immediately went off line and I could not get back on. I finally called my server and they informed me maintenance was adjusting their settngs and it might be a 24 hour time frame before I could get online. After I told her the problem code she sounded like__ Oh-oh __ and really was evasive. About two hours later I was able to connect but my security lock icon is gone. Haven't seen Kathy log on today.
We're gonna miss you Rebel.
Rebel Farmer the military doesn't make these kinds of "mistakes" let alone admit to them. I pray that the person or persons who leaked this information are in a secure location and are be protected by the right people. They are the true "patriots" out our beloved republic and should be commended as such. As for 9/11 and events http://wearechange.org/ is hosting a huge event in NYC and supposedly all the proceeds are going to the first resonder victims who ALL suffered debilitating respitory diseases from the so called "clean air" @ ground zero. It is only $20 for admission each day which is quite moderate for the good it will do for these suffering heroes and their families.
Hi KEM! I'm having a hell of a time with my posts for the past several days. I get some weird message from WordPress about SQL something or another. I'm not a very techy person, so this makes no sense to me. It only happens when I try to post about a certain event that is coming up on 9/11. Kathyodat is having the same problem. I'm getting a little paranoid about the whole thing. Got any suggestions?
tbonez: I think you bring up an interesting point.
There is no way that the air force would have let anybody know about this screw-up. That leads me to consider the possibility that just maybe it wasn't a screw-up, but a military whistle blower trying to stop a planned bombing.
Anybody else got any thoughts about that?
Air Combat Command will have a command-wide mission stand down Sept. 14 to review their procedures in response to this oversight, he said.
stand down!! what the hell does that mean?? Who is going to be protecting the base??
That would be great Claudius, in fact, why not have a dang orgy and put the whole damn bunch in there.
You think they really lost those guns Kemel? Maybe,____ they lost several billion in brand new hundred dollar bills over there. Stink? Holy crap, every day it gets worse and we as an American society don't care enough to do anything except hope and wait for a new president. Geezze, which one of the front runners is much better? Oh yeah, I forgot, _____any one of them.
AHHH, that five an six number is just rapid firing news people and writers messing up the facts. You know how it goes, the first news reports on 9-11, there were 40,000 people killed in the twin towers. When Katrina hit New Orleans, it was some minor street flooding and Princess Ds Mercedes was crushed by a tour bus.
If the missile maintenance crew loaded the wrong type of weapons on that aircraft, they have the worst possible problems imaginable in the Air Force since I left. I just don't see how that could be possible. But then, I couldn't see how Bush got in the White House, he back doored that on us, which is worse than missing nukes.
Kem,
Is there any chance Rove can take Bush and Cheney along with him? A little menage a trois?
Now see KP, I was thinking Cheney had it tucked away with him and he sits in the dark at night as it whispers some prophecy or secret instructions to him.
Karl Rove has it Stinger. On 07-11 he is going to sit on it and set it off in a male restroom located in a publilc park in Dallas and show everyone what a Texas blow job looks like.
“Air Force standards are very exacting when it comes to munitions handling,†he said. “The weapons were always in our custody and there was never a danger to the American public.â€
I have the highest respect for our military and the soldiers who follow orders. but a statement like this coming from the same administration who said the air @ ground zero was safe to breath, or that mercury in childrens vaccines is perfectly safe and has no effect on brain development leaves room for suspicion. This development brings up many questions. Was this a leak a military insider to ward off a first strike on Iran? It is well known in military circles that Barksdale is a jumping off point for aircraft heading to the "Iraq theatre". How could a mixup of this proportion occur with the level of security that nuclear weapons are guarded? It's not like they had a pile of ACM's and a pile of nuclear warheads and inadvertantly loaded the wrong ones. Nuclear war heads are locked in secure facilities where high level clearance and security redundancy codes are needed. Are we to believe that individuals with this level of clearance and highest levels of security would just nonchalantly have them loaded on a plane bound for a middle east jump off base for no particular reason??? This event is reminiscient of the failures on 9/11 where huge breaches in security were totally overlooked as simple mistakes in "human" judgement. This is quite ridiculous when most of the security and defense apparatuses in this country are run by highly technical automated control systems that require virtually no human interaction minus entering a code to bypass or raise the level of access. You think the pentagon is protected by men on the roof with rifles, or do they use a fully automated control system that could detect an attack from any angle of entry 24-7 without any human interaction neccessary?? Another 9/11 official story ommision. (/11 was the catalist for all the chaos that has been brought to this land. Whether you agree or disagree with conspiracy theories is irrelivent. The pain fact is that the official story leaves a host of question still to be answered. Without an independent investigation of all the fact and not just the ones that fit the offical version we will never take back OUR democracy. (/11 is the event that made this all possible, but building 7 is the achilles heal of 9/11. THINK,RESEARCH,DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS. FOLLOW THE MONEY AND THE FACTS!!!
GODSPEED
They said there was little chance of them falling into the hands of a rogue nation. Weren`t they already in the hands of a "rogue nation"? Also when did the military ever admit a mistake or a danger that they were responsible for? How could they count up five Nukes when they lost 190,000 guns over in Iraq?
Alex, When the atomic bomb was dropped over Japan it was dropped by the Army Air Corps.The U.S. Air Force was born by a brain storm by a very fine Officer,Gen. Hap Arnold in 1949.The men flying these aircraft are probably the best trainned military anywhere on any land.
I am certain the transfer of the atomic weapons was not a mistake. There are any number of reasons they were transfered from Minot to Barksdale AFB. Someone stated they should have been removed from the aircraft before it departed Minot, but an Air Force spoksperson says, the "transfer" was completed safely. That is most likely the truth.
What very well could have happened was, higher headquarters was not properly notified that the transfer was scheduled and was conducted, until after the mission had been flown. That would be a very serious breach of regulations and be cause for an immediate IG investigation.
You can bet your last dime that flight crew was fully aware the weapons were on the aircraft. In addition, the aircraft crew chiefs, the commmander of the MMS squadron, the base military police, the base command post, job control, the wing commander and the base commander would have ALL known also. Someone screwed up big time by not insuring higher headquarters was informed. That is most likely the entire plot and is reallly not a story of any significance as Ken stated.
As far as bombers carrying nuclear bombs every day? __I very much doubt it. Chrome Domes were dis-continued shortly after some serious accidents occured with B-52s carrying atomic weapons. The last one was when a 52 crashed short of the runway during an emergency landing at Thule AFB in Greenland and some plutonium was spilled. Prior to that, there were several others, one in Spain the most famous and was well covered by the news medias. One hydrogen bomb was lost and again plutonium contaminated some farm land and we had to clean up the mess. In Greenland, the Danes made us clean up that mess and transfer tons of snow, dirt and ice to the United States to be 'safely' stored. The Chrome Dome missions were de-classified years ago and the mission story can now be found on the internet. If and when atomic wepaons are carried by any aircraft, it would be highly classified and we'd never hear of it, unless there was an accident, or unless some undisclosed persons talked to a reporter or a writer about it.
We just moved from Goldsboro, NC just before they dropped (lost) an atomic bomb.
January 24, 1961, Goldsboro, North Carolina ... Because the bomb was lost at a depth of approximately 16000 feet the search was suspended. So I guess they do come unattached now and then.
Yes, the transport of nukes was not a mistake. But, what really happened?
Did some commander "go off?" Did the crew of the B-52 go along to get out of the control of the nut commander, then fly safely to LA?
We will never know the truth.
Wow! The US military has always touted its command and control systems for nuclear weapons. This goes way back. Back to the days when the people were sceptical about having such dangerous weapons around, and the military was keen on telling the American people that everything was under control and that there was no need to worry that the nearest air force base might contain weapons capable of vaporizing an entire city and plunging the globe into nuclear winter.
So now, oops!? Oh really?
Seems like there's two answers here. One, these people are incompetent and shouldn't be playing with such dangerous weapons. Or Two, these people can't follow the rules and are doing dangerous things like flying around with nuclear weapons over America. Seems like in both cases, the solution is the same. Take these weapons away from these people.
thank-you Paul Bramscher...
now i see.....some underling gets the blame....
it is all a bunch of BS....other than the offensive and aggresive "us" actions since what, 9/11/2001, there would be no reason to even talk about this.....
who wants nuclear war?????? if you do, you must be sick, and you must need help....lets get the help where it is needed....so that we can start focussing in more important issues....
Peace,
Ken Hausle
weapons of mass destruction...and who had control of them?
Does the terms "loose nukes" and "sabre rattling" mean anything in the context of this story? Give me a break.
When the Neocon wet dream hits the fan, lets call it Kristol Nach.
I doubt it was a mistake. How in that case did such weapons ever get on the plane. I rather suspect this is one more attempt to increase the fear Iran has of the US. A gentle reminder that the US has nuclear weapons and is the only nation on the planet with a record of having used them.
(Ken: Check my last post on the plan-r reference.)
Are we sure it was a mistake?
all this is incredibly riveting, but still no one has answered...what is Plan R? Oh well, it is probably nothing of significance.....still when some mysterious uncertainty is thrown out there, then of course, it begs question....
Regardless, all nuclear weapons need to be identified, publicized, and brought out in the open so that they can be dismantled....simple
Peace,
Ken Hausle
After our successful punishment of VetNam in the mid 1970's (the sovern state, not the American police action) Americans had little stumic for external invasions rationalized with romatic christon notions of "saving the ignorant masses from short brown infidels".
The movie StarWars (not the 747 just flying this year, http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/fn/5106816.html after 30 years of $billions, thousands of lifetimes of full work careers, see "US Pat. 4164677 - Filed May 22, 1978 - Northrop Corporation") re-sold war as a romatic endever. The first question directed at the producers at a SiFi convention in May of 1977 askd why space had no Blacks or Brown people. I have a religious libuary of 2000+ books, they mostly read like pulp fiction.
I know many men (and their familys) who joined the USAirForce to live out a personal post-puberty SiFi movie. My last act in hollywood was making and selling 36 gallons of the my BEST blood formula, for $hundreds gallon.
No "broken arrows" (Atom wepon mistakes) have occored since all reports were stoped in the early 1970's
A lovely Anarchist take over of the UK unfolds in a three part TV dramma from 1988. The sceans of dismantaling A-bombs make tears squert from my eyes. "A Very British Coup" from the book by Chris Mullin.
Maybe the nukes had "made in Iran" stamped on them, if you take my meaning.
KEM PATRICK seems to spell it out quite well. There is no way this was an "accident". There is no, "oops, the capacity to destroy 5 major cities just flew away". I have heard of struggles in the millitary between those who oppose the 9/11 conspiracy and those continuing it. I'd love to know the real story behind this B-52, but am also very glad not to be the only one who sees this for what it is.
The last time the US had a terrorist attack, I had a plane ticket to D.C. for the IMF/World Bank demonstrations. In just one year we had increased our numbers from 8,000 to 140,000. This sep 15th there are going to be very large numbers of demonstrators in D.C. coinciding with the Petraeus report...
Does anyone have any substantive ideas about what to do when a conspiracy of elites begins terrorizing a democracy?
Plan R anyone?
My first thought after reading this article was, "and why ARE there nuclear weapons on board a B-52? "Accidents" like this just don't happen no matter how incompetent we may want to believe our government is. This is ominous...
9/11 was an inside job.
What is Plan R?
That's like leaving a bullet on someone's doorstep. It might not blow up right there, but you know what it means.. that bullet is a very clear message that someone is really out to get you. Now they're 'accidentally' flying nuclear bombs over middle America to do what exactly..? I think the message is the same..
And considering the unsafe status of our ports and borders we don't really have any place to hide from the 'incompetence' of our military or any other psychopaths with access to nukes, unless you have your own personal fallout shelter.
I have no idea of how the Air Force operates now, but when atomic weapons were loaded on bombers during the years of The Strategic Air Command, up thru the 1980s, a two man policy was strictly enforced. No one could get near any bomber by themselves when it had atomic weapons loaded in the bomb bay or on the wing pilons, such as a Hound-dog missile.
"Everyone" was fully aware the bomber was "cocked". If parked in the alert area, armed guards were stationed at the aircraft 24-7, with several other armed guards in nearby vehicles. The fully illuninated alert areas were fenced off and K-9s patrolled at night around the entire bases peremiters. If an aircraft was being readied for a Chrome Dome mission, the aircraft was roped off and two armed guards patrolled the immediate are inside the ropes. No single person could gain access to the area. It was a "two man policy" and they had to be cleared top secret, cleared by name to get on or near the aircraft and then checked in by the guards. The base or wing commander, or any of the aircraft flight crew couldn't get near the aircarft alone. Had I ever attempted to get near the alert areas or a Chrome Dome alone, I would have been stretched out on the ramp and or possibly shot before I could have said hello. General LeMay or the President of the United States could not have entered the area, unless they were with another who had the exact same clearance and the cleared need to enter.
How a B-52 flew a mission and no one was aware atomic weapons were loaded on it is beyond sensible reason. There must be a lot more to this story that we don't know about and most likely we never will.
I'm with JontyPTraveler on this. I find it hard to believe that they "accidently" loaded nuke warheads onto missiles. This is not like tripping downstairs folks. This is ominous. Did they intend to "accidently" nuke someone or are they preparing to nuke someone.
i am not complicit or complacent, and
f'ing "america" does not represent me....
but, i sure do care about North Carolina and what is happening here....
Peace,
Ken Hausle
I don't think anything is going to happen in regards to this. They don't need it to carry out any agenda, America is already complicit and complacent. And any one of the major Pres. candidates will carry on the war machine for US imperialistic domination when elected, so nobody needs to do it before Bush leaves office.
I am a nuclear veteran (Operation Redwing, Bikini Atoll, 1956). Please tell me again how "A crash could ignite the high explosives associated with the warhead, and possibly cause a leak of the plutonium, but the warheads’ elaborate safeguards would prevent a nuclear detonation from occurring."
A few pounds of Plutonium dust blowing in the wind would contaminate a huge area. Plutonium is one of the world's most hazardous exposure items, producing Alpha, Beta and Gamma radiation. I've forgotten its half-life, but it is very long.
These damned things should be carefully destroyed, not be transferred around the world, or the country, nor should any of them ever be used again, on anything or anyone.
The fact that they are deployed on cruise missiles, designed to be delivered by long range bombers, means that we are probably going to use them under the new rules of combat.
Ww the People have got to stand up on our hind legs and demand that these weapons be removed from our arsenal and destroyed, with verification. If that were done, other nations would be liable to follow suit. As it stands, every country in the world is scared stiff of the greatest terrorist nation in the world, with its vast stock of weapons of mass destruction, and they are arming themselves to the teeth in self-defense.
Let's remove the need and start trying to rebuild the world, not destroy it.
It would be more honest if we had a department designated DEPARTMENT OF WAR. Hilary & Obama are willing to use nuclear bombs against an enemy. We are the only ones to use nukes against two civilian targets. There are plans to use nukes against Iran. Personally, if the U.S. neutralzed all its nukes, I would feel relief. (Of course, I'd also like them to get rid of their chemical & biological weapons.) Salaam.
In regards to some Islamic militants blowing up a nuke in a US city, the scenario has already been analyzed.
1. A terrorist gets his hands on some weapon-grade radioactive material.
2. Militants assemble the 'holy bomb' in a warehouse somewhere using plans they downloaded form the internet.
3. It is driven into a densely populated area and detonated.
The result wouldn't be a devastating as imagined. An untested weapon of that type is expected to have a very small yield. The resulting explosion might destroy an entire block if it went well. There would be a large amount of radiation scattered over a 3-4 block area. Most of the casualties would be from radiation sickness and not from the blast/heat/fires.
This type of attack will not produce an "Attack Iran" mentality. It will need to be a much bigger explosion. (US Military type explosion)
If a nuke is detonated in a US city, it will not be by 'Islamic militants'.
Nuclear weapons aren't about deterrence, security, or safety. They are armageddon type weapons that only a madman would ever want or possess.
The only country in the world stupid enough to actually employ nuclear weapons is the United States. The damage caused by those nuclear attacks lingers even today.
'Responsible Handling' is a joke. Since nuclear weapons could never be used for anything other than terrorism, they are simply terrorist weapons. What is a 'Responsible Terrorist'?
Until these weapons are GONE we will never be safe.
The real story here is that a well placed conspiracy could attain a B-52 loaded with nukes and hit whatever targets they wanted. Maybe, blame it on Iran?
In fact that may be what actually happened here, but someone in the Air Force found out about it and stopped it...
If you think I'm paranoid of power, maybe you live in a world where the 48 story building #7 (loaded with accounting documents) though undamaged, collapsed neatly into its own foot print on sept 11, 2001.
This is scary folks and it is very real. There's a group of people who would be happy to kill US citizens for political goals. Jeb Bush made some off handed comment not too long ago about wouldn't it be great if, "San Francisco disappeared off the map."