Hopebroken and Hopesick: A Lexicon of Disappointment
All is not well in Obamafanland. It's not clear exactly what accounts for the change of mood. Maybe it was the rancid smell emanating from Treasury's latest bank bailout. Or the news that the president's chief economic adviser, Larry Summers, earned millions from the very Wall Street banks and hedge funds he is protecting from reregulation now. Or perhaps it began earlier, with Obama's silence during Israel's Gaza attack.
Whatever the last straw, a growing number of Obama enthusiasts are starting to entertain the possibility that their man is not, in fact, going to save the world if we all just hope really hard.
This is a good thing. If the superfan culture that brought Obama to power is going to transform itself into an independent political movement, one fierce enough to produce programs capable of meeting the current crises, we are all going to have to stop hoping and start demanding.
The first stage, however, is to understand fully the awkward in-between space in which many US progressive movements find themselves. To do that, we need a new language, one specific to the Obama moment. Here is a start.
Hopeover. Like a hangover, a hopeover comes from having overindulged in something that felt good at the time but wasn't really all that healthy, leading to feelings of remorse, even shame. It's the political equivalent of the crash after a sugar high. Sample sentence: "When I listened to Obama's economic speech my heart soared. But then, when I tried to tell a friend about his plans for the millions of layoffs and foreclosures, I found myself saying nothing at all. I've got a serious hopeover."
Hoper coaster. Like a roller coaster, the hoper coaster describes the intense emotional peaks and valleys of the Obama era, the veering between joy at having a president who supports safe-sex education and despondency that single-payer healthcare is off the table at the very moment when it could actually become a reality. Sample sentence: "I was so psyched when Obama said he is closing Guantánamo. But now they are fighting like mad to make sure the prisoners in Bagram have no legal rights at all. Stop this hoper coaster-I want to get off!"
Hopesick. Like the homesick, hopesick individuals are intensely nostalgic. They miss the rush of optimism from the campaign trail and are forever trying to recapture that warm, hopey feeling-usually by exaggerating the significance of relatively minor acts of Obama decency. Sample sentences: "I was feeling really hopesick about the escalation in Afghanistan, but then I watched a YouTube video of Michelle in her organic garden and it felt like inauguration day all over again. A few hours later, when I heard that the Obama administration was boycotting a major UN racism conference, the hopesickness came back hard. So I watched slideshows of Michelle wearing clothes made by ethnically diverse independent fashion designers, and that sort of helped."
Hope fiend. With hope receding, the hope fiend, like the dope fiend, goes into serious withdrawal, willing to do anything to chase the buzz. (Closely related to hopesickness but more severe, usually affecting middle-aged males.) Sample sentence: "Joe told me he actually believes Obama deliberately brought in Summers so that he would blow the bailout, and then Obama would have the excuse he needs to do what he really wants: nationalize the banks and turn them into credit unions. What a hope fiend!"
Hopebreak. Like the heartbroken lover, the hopebroken Obama-ite is not mad but terribly sad. She projected messianic powers on to Obama and is now inconsolable in her disappointment. Sample sentence: "I really believed Obama would finally force us to confront the legacy of slavery in this country and start a serious national conversation about race. But now whenever he seems to mention race, he's using twisted legal arguments to keep us from even confronting the crimes of the Bush years. Every time I hear him say ‘move forward,' I'm hopebroken all over again."
Hopelash. Like a backlash, hopelash is a 180-degree reversal of everything Obama-related. Sufferers were once Obama's most passionate evangelists. Now they are his angriest critics. Sample sentence: "At least with Bush everyone knew he was an asshole. Now we've got the same wars, the same lawless prisons, the same Washington corruption, but everyone is cheering like Stepford wives. It's time for a full-on hopelash."
In trying to name these various hope-related ailments, I found myself wondering what the late Studs Terkel would have said about our collective hopeover. He surely would have urged us not to give in to despair. I reached for one of his last books, Hope Dies Last. I didn't have to read long. The book opens with the words: "Hope has never trickled down. It has always sprung up."
And that pretty much says it all. Hope was a fine slogan when rooting for a long-shot presidential candidate. But as a posture toward the president of the most powerful nation on earth, it is dangerously deferential. The task as we move forward (as Obama likes to say) is not to abandon hope but to find more appropriate homes for it-in the factories, neighborhoods and schools where tactics like sit-ins, squats and occupations are seeing a resurgence.
Political scientist Sam Gindin wrote recently that the labor movement can do more than protect the status quo. It can demand, for instance, that shuttered auto plants be converted into green-future factories, capable of producing mass-transit vehicles and technology for a renewable energy system. "Being realistic means taking hope out of speeches," he wrote, "and putting it in the hands of workers."
Which brings me to the final entry in the lexicon.
Hoperoots. Sample sentence: "It's time to stop waiting for hope to be handed down, and start pushing it up, from the hoperoots."
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Show AllWith Obama Disaster Capitalism is playing an all new and improved card:
The Shock and Awe Doctrine
Too nice, I think.
Obama's another Clinton, triangulating between a continuation of Bush's foreign policy in Iraq and Afghanistan then opening up with Cuba, between promising transparency and covering up the bankers heist of taxpayers funds (see 4-03 Moyers), between promulgating domestic spying without warrants (see Greenwald, for one) and ending torture, maybe. You get the sense that he’s dealing out party favors so you don’t feel bad about the betrayal and continuation of the unitary executive theory.
Our first black Republican president.
Wait! I thought Bill was our first black Republican president. :-)
Hope is a word, a representation, a shadow that our masters love us to cling to. The Red&Blue Corporate Oligarchic Party is mildly amused as we sit on our asses.
Vote the Green Party Platform and start running for offices in clusters of candidates. The platform and a 40 hr workweek is your guide and if they don't like it send them a copy of the platform so they can figure out your no-brainer position on their own.
Localize your life and start urban gardens.
Stop driving and bike-train-ped.
Stop buying anything but local food and thrift-swap-RRFM.
28th Amendment: Separation of Corporation and State.
http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=43811311612
Demand to have your fulltime jobs switched to part time and double employment, giving you free time to participate in the above emancipating activities.
If they refuse, homestead your homes and share food.
That will fix their little booties...they're outta business!!!
Right on Sandy!
All of that is good advice. I will check out the facebook link.
"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country. "
We all know who said That! It's kind of like saying hope doesn't trickle down but instead springs upward. I have say that John F. Kennedy's speech was more inclusive or worldly. The very next line:
"My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man."
Even as an agnostic or perhaps especially as a deist, I find the following words powerful and still apt:
"The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe - the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God."
Why should I be surprised, when Today's Obama fans start to lose faith or 'hope' in their savior. Many of us became cynics when Ronald Reagan became president. Or Nixon. Or when either Bush became president. But truthfully, when our own great hope becomes president, he has always put on that business suit that fits so snugly that it is impossible to forget all the money it takes to put it on. That once worn, not only does it trap the most virtuous, but becomes the man lost in the trappings of his own new office. And in one hundred days, he will not undo what has taken 200 years to be. No more will he be able to undo the last 8 years of leadership.
You'll have to take hope where you can find hope and make hope where there seems to be none. I'm glad the torture is ending and coming to light. I'm glad that Cuba and the US are talking. And I require that Obama regulate those bankers if I am to vote for his re-election-- it's none-negotiable.
To "quote" Adlai Stevenson: "Flattery [Hope] is all right so long as you don't inhale."
For sure it was Clinton who said he didn't inhale. That's what's wrong with this country. We should all inhale, deeply and often.
PEACEMAN,
The great hoax that most of us has bit into is that Rome was the last empire. Don’t think so. How’s about Britain? Those dirty rotten scoundrels along with the French laid waste to millions going a doing supposed acts for their pagan GOD called JESUS.
Poor Jesus name message and our hope of glory were stolen long ago and for many remains just a myth. Because what was done against mankind --- then for some the only comfort trying to justify what the BEAST OF MANKIND has done under HIS cross and name, so HE has been labeled fable.
And let us not forget the vile evil rotten bastards the Spanish and Portuguese what they did in the western Hemisphere. It was robbed before most knew what was going on. And even unto today Mexico does not make a big move unless it is approved from the BIG BOYS in Spain.
Then the list goes on to all races of mankind that is still around today. I believe that within the genetics of some of the Anglo Saxon folks the BEAST OF MANKIND was moved along from one generation to another. But in all things I stand to be corrected with facts not fiction.
DB
You should see what this guy has written...
Kudos to Naomi Klein, who had the fortitude to reveal the Truth of the NeoCon Capitalist system, for this excellent article. But I am beginning to be sick of all the Obama-bashing on CD. The insane idea that Nader or McKinney would Ever be elected is pathetic (much as I admire Nader to the extent of having his autograph.) And either one of them would have had to be elected Dictator to get their platforms done.
Another stupid idea is that Obama is Tweedle to McCain/Palin's Dumb. Those who complain about Obama need to form a viable third party NOW, for 2012, as there were NONE in 2008. Or take over the Democratic Party NOW. And quit whining about the compromise that is Obama. That is Naomi Klein's message.
Obama is not a dictator, and I harbored no illusions he alone is the solution. Gore was not the solution either, but what if Gore had been empowered rather than Bush? I think the world would be in a far better place right now. Obama's mild shift to the progressive left has already driven the right-wing trogs and their carny-barker 'leaders' batshit... in under ninety days. That is signal enough that he is trying to turn this barge of a country into more progressive waters, without blowing up the boilers.
And as far as this back-to-the-land individualism crap (worthy of coming from right-wing Republican Rugged Reaganite Marlboro-Cowboy Winner-Take-All Individualist Theocracy propagandists), well, Welcome to Cambodia under Pol Pot wherein all the evil towns were forcibly emptied, and people were forced to starve to death on their little patch of dirt.
There has to be a collective life as well as an individual private life. The collective life is politics, the politeness of getting along with one another, for the Common(ist) good. I thought that the choice between the nasty, brutal and short individualist life and the enlightening and sustaining collective life was decided with Hobbes centuries ago. Leave it to Republicans to bring back nasty, brutal and short.
And as far as violent revolution, well, the rabid right-wingers are stocking up on guns right now, and are just itching for the chance to kill a few 'commies' that want to try and take their guns and money. Believe me, the Republican Party and its voting pattern look and sound the same as the Ante-Bellum Southern Confederacy. You know what that led to. Is this the revolution you have in mind? The Second Civil War?
The deluded and deceived right-wing troglodytes are being egged on to oppose Obama and progressive socialism every minute by the satan's-legion of right-wing media blowhards under corporate domination (and these slick-talking-big-conning propagandists are far, far better paid than was Judas for their services to the Empire.)
So please, enough with the Obama-bashing from the left, too. Bash his policies, bash his choices, force him to do progressive things, but don't bash him ad hominem. Because believe me, his election is nothing short of a miracle. Be grateful that, despite all the odds and the immense satanic forces aligned against him Unto this day, even such a mildly-left politician is now President.
FVHorn, Suh, you is clearly a man of letters. That ain't blind. This feller O-bama ain't The Lord, but he ain't the Devil neither. I seen ya refer to the unCivil War, that their were the US's revolution when a fuedal south got whupped by them Yankee Factory bastards.
Them Reds had a 1917 dustup and they call umselfs commies but Senor Karl Marx said in a pigs-eye to that! They tried ta skip a stage-that would be the Capitalist Industrialist/Imperialism stage I believe and now lo and be-hold, we got Billionaires in the PRC and Moscow too. Yuh can't cheat Karl's logic, he was one smart fella huh?
And ever darn word he said be playin out in the U S of A, wealth updrafting while folks make babies equals people gettin po. Then mo po.
Then, 'ccording to Senor Karl, we all gonna have a dustup here in the US.
Can we delay that by voting, a-meliorate growin horruhs, slow the ship's sinking? Yeah, Obama slowed it, Johnny woulda punched more holes in the hull.
Mister FV, you done said a truer thing I ain't heard. Folks wants a 3rd party ta hep dem in oh twelve betta start right now calling all the friends they got and oganizin beaucoup, plus vite, maintenont, est aujourd 'hui.
US BLUES,
I Got Ya Bad.
we have nothing to hope for but hope itself.
perhaps we need a Department of Hopeland Security.
VDB,
I appreciate your humor! I'm actually laughing in the morning, for a change. Thanks!
peaceman,
you're welcome! - one down, billions to go.
to paraphrase freewheelin':
funny will get you through times of no hope better than hope will get you through times of no funny.
Look, the best day I have had in three years was the day President Obama was elected.
Right now, he needs time to unravel 7 years of stazi regime building, and he must walk softly and learn the lay of the land.
Patients, you can not dismantle a war monger nation with a private right wing stazi police force in a year. The DHS memo is a warning that they are prepping to go after this private army.
But first , we need a left wing army of constitutional law freaks to counter the unconstitutional army of vigilante stazi freaks.
BornFreeMen
I have been tortured everyday for 2.5 years by right wing community watch vigilante freaks. I know the law is coming, our uncorrupted Department of Justice moves slow, but it at least it moves faster than the corrupt Department of Justice of the last 7 years.
… wasn't that previously known as " Jonestown "
Obama is not going to "save the world" as NK said, he won't sink the Pirate Ship he Captains. But unlike his satanic predecessors he will do some good-
Today-
A. The memos were released, and with MINIMAL REDACTIONS. This will lead to a "Flood of new disclosures." BO knew that, right on, let them squirm, Pandora's Box is being opened for all to see.
B. At the Summit Of the Americas BO reached out to Hugo Chavez, a US first and significant.
C. In Israel his envoy demanded a Two State Solution as requisite for Peace, nothing else.
D. Obama anounced he will seek to LEGALIZE 12 MILLION undocumented workers in the US.
E. And most importantly maybe, in Trinidad, Obama announced "The United States seeks a new beginning with Cuba."
Not bad for a day's work. To insist that BO does ZERO good, make NO progress where ruin existed only months ago, is JUST as ridiculous as an Obamabot as you call some deserving folks who think he walks on water. He does not. He wades through a swamp, but DIFFERENTLY, NOT the same as the Republicans-The above FIVE examples of forward movement by Obama are just TODAY. Quite true, BO does much harm, but does good also, if not, what are the above examples? Great posts, all my respect, I just submit BO does not just ill, but right on occasion too. He Captains a War-Ship, and as Chris Hedges said, we "Resist or become serfs."
US Blues, I got you bad.
You're correct, we TOGETHER can do better than just 5 good things done every day.
Placating the beasts arising, will take a lot out of him, especially those beasts who already have their jaws around his throat.
Who would ever want such a job ?
Mass popular outrage has yet to even become a pipsqueak, but that will hardly last much longer
Where can I buy some of that INSANITEA , I'm very thirsty now.
Namaste
Ralph Nader: Be prepared to be very disappointed with Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE7PFbK5L88
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I was Hopenical or Hopecautious. I'm not as clever as Naomi here. Now I'm sort of Hopissed.
I still think that with a mass movement that we could draw the change out of Obama even though I wrote in Kucinich and voted for Nader.
no you didnt.
[ ______ ◎ _ B _ Y _ S _ M _ A _ L ______ ]
[ ______________ a _ n_ d ______________ ]
[ _____ H _ O _ P _ E _ L _ E _ S _ S _____ ]
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"O b a m a _ u r g e s _ t h a t _ t h e _ [ t or t u r e ] _ c r i m e s _ w e r e _ j u s t i f i e d
b e c a u s e _ t h e _ d u u m v i r a t e _ a c t e d _ t o _ p r o t e c t _ t h e _ n a t i o n
___ f r o m ___ i n t e r n a t i o n a l _ t e r r o r i s m ___"
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What courageous people MUST DO,
is realize that not only has the " s m o k i n g _ g u n " been visible for quite a while,
but now we also have the _ 9 _ ! _ ! _ disaster's " l o a d e d _ g u n "
_____ that the WTC demolitions of 11th Sept 2001,
_____ had little if anything nothing to do with
_____ " international terrorism" ( other than creating it ).
There is categorically scientifically peer reviewed proof of large masses of unexploded nano-thermite residue in the WTC dusts, which is completely impossible to explain away as being the work of " international terrorists" living in caves.
[ _______________ T H E R E __ I S __ N O ________________ ]
[ ______ J _ U _ S _ T _ I _ F _ I _ C _ A _ T _ I _ O _ N ______ ]
[ ____________ F O R __ T H E __ G _ W _ O _ T ____________ ]
These red-colored millimeter and smaller sized nano-thermite explosive particles are still TODAY as powerful as dynamite, almost a decade later, and were definitely internally formed and created using the world's most sophisticated nano-miniature technology.
We are talking about physical fabrication of structures one millionth of one millimeter in size and the production and placement of possibly 100 tons of this material --- prior to the impact of the planes. There is only one possible source of this material ( LLL ).
This is the " l o a d e d _ g u n " that not only pointed AND FIRED at the the WTC towers, but also FIRED the head of every American.
An immediate, thorough, and international panel of independent experts must be assembled to bring bush and chenney to trial for war crimes, and treasonous conspiracy against the USA citizens and Constitution -- as well as the mass murders of thousands of Americans.
W E _ M U S T _ S O O N _ B R I N G _ THE _ G U I L T Y __ T O __ J U S T I C E
or the ponderous weight of this almost unimaginably wicked crime of all time -- will drag us down into the gutters of history.
Namaste
NAOMI WHO CRIED FOR A KING? NOT ME! THIS WORK IS FOR ALL OF US
By Dwight Baker
Words 285
All to often some people want someone to shame then blame when things go wrong not right. Thus is the case for most civilized so-called life today. But could that kind of mindset be civilized. I THINK NOT.
Name just one of the many civilizations that have come about---- where a high potentate, king or president --- the biggest BIG SHOT in charge led the people to a civil existence. STILL WAITING.
And we in America today are still trying to emulate the old forlorn and mostly forsaken Roman Empire. They had a SENATE composed of the BIG BARONS that had the great wealth of the nation bestowed on them ------ to watch over the BIG SHOTS, how can that be done? And likewise we still have the same twisted, convoluted ideas of political rule today. IS ---- WE JUST DUMB or WOULD WE RATHER have A SOMEONE else to shame and blame?
If so are we really civil? Civil means communal and that for sure we are not. Are we a tribe that is banded together by the RULE OF LAW? I THINK NOT. Our rule of law in America since our birth has been the crooked and perverse lawyer-ing of the SEE SAW YAW of the LAW.
Bottom line: When a people forsakes the principles in words and deeds done to rule themselves-----the tyrannical will take over and promise they will do that job for them. Then just one more repeat of HISTORY comes upon them. That is a pretty dim view [but historically correct] of how civilizations come and go and all are made to suffer in the end by their inactions to rule themselves and thus all turn loose then lose their RIGHTS to LIFE.
What can change the format for a Democracy?
WE THE PEOPLE ADVOCACY ---WE NEED TO FORM OUR OWN LOBBY.
For more info contact
Dbaker007@stx.rr.com
Dwight,
Interesting post. Upon returning from the "conquests," Julius Caesar was an advocate for the common people and thought a more egalitarian society would benefit Rome. The rich part with nothing without a fight and they turned on him.
tldr
You're so right. As soon as I heard he had picked Summers and Geithner in November '08, I knew he was another DLC establishment corporate lackey of the plutocracy. Better than McCain, certainly, but not by that much.
Maybe some more words need to be added to this Obama lexicon.
Hopepimp: An erstwhile progressive columnist who stumps for Obama.
Hopeholic: Someone who's bought all of the Obama books and still wants more.
Hopedope: A rhetorical flourish in an Obama speech, typically having a narcotic effect on the audience. Any person so affected.
Hopeas corpus: The false hope that this longstanding legal tradition still exists, even as it's being violated by the Obama administration.
Hopelot: A group of non-governmental organizations called together by Obama to hear his hopeful speeches, without actually demanding any changes.
-TIA
HOPE CORPSE-- like beating a dead horse, but better w/o the blood
HOPEDIOT-- anyone with an IQ above 80 who cannot see the reality
HOPE COOKIES-- made with sweet vapors of intoxicating political idolatry, these can often also be found on the ground dear the HOPE CORPSE, and also dinging around inside your browser, desperately trying to get out
HOPE-AGON-- a new regular geometrical shape needed to soon replace the Pentagon's outdated and evil-associated shape. Contains a large number of ♥ _heart_♥ shapes, ♪♪♫_musical notes_♪♪♫, and of course lots and lots of ☆ ★_stars_☆ ★.
Namaste
NAOMI WE NEED YOU AND ALL OTHERS TO GET ON BOARD AND GET THIS DONE BEFORE IT BECOMES LATE IN THE GAME. BUT ONE THING FOR SURE GOD IS ON OUR SIDE.
THE WTPA CONCETPS –CAUSES – GOALS-- PLANS-- SURMISED AS A
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INTRODUCTION
In our origination of the concept of the WTPA a WIN WIN agenda for progress to come to the people in America was viewed as the only sane, sound, sanguine way for our nation to bring about the changes needed to again thrust forward our goodness and hope for all to JOIN IN and be empowered to self govern again.
Demographics
When a governing body becomes too large seems all gets lost. That is the reason we deemed it necessary to identify the six regional areas in America that have the greatest numbers in population. And from that regional base office will be organized many district offices to tend to the care, concern, education, and empowerments from our advocacy for those members in all ways.
One of our major concerns today is that there seems to be not a single source advocacy center that has all the information to do the acts of equity in justice for the many citizens that have needs that our current agencies are empowered to deliver. As a consequence many good folks fall through the cracks in our great society and are lost for they do not have the skills, transportation, or connectivity with others who can assist them along through the many hallways and corridors of the in-take processes and paper work in our cities, counties, states and federal agencies. And the most overlooked and unfortunate of those folks are the elderly, veterans, and are our weary citizens who many have mental and physical disabilities.
Broad spectrum of Advocacy and Educational pursuits
For the many that enlist in the WTPA as a WTWT member our goal during the IN-TAKE development is to set up a file member database to be used to guide that person along the best path of their needs and choosing.
These advocacy services will be at no cost to the members, books and educational materials will be at cost and likewise will be the programs suggested and WTPA will be negotiate for the best price with those vendors for our member services, WTPA will not make a profit from any of this work.
1. Become prepared and placed in line for a paying job with the WTPA
2. Continuing education in College or University to be placed in line for a position with the WTPA or one of its many affiliates.
3. Veterans affairs
4. Social Security
5. Department of Human Services
6. Mental health agencies
7. Drug and alcohol rehab programs
8. GED sources
9. College and Universities programs – requirements for entry- grants—scholarships etc.
10. Educational aids-books computer hardware and software programs etc.
11. Local within District job fairs, available jobs, housing, on the job training programs,
12. Job placement services
13. Connectivity with other members who have business with needs to employ good people.
14. Free postings on the districts web site for all members to use for ---jobs needed and/or employment offered.
15. Provide a column per day on the district web site for those with writing aspirations.
16. Open forums will provide the way for those who would like to pursue a career in public speaking.
17. WTWT Members will be affiliated with those Founders in STAR POWERS IN ACTION within their district.
18. Members will enjoy the frequent gatherings of fellow members in WTPA arranged and sponsored activities to include children activities, group discussions, and leisure and recreations times spent together indoor and outdoor locations in the district.
19. Members who have a sense to serve in the political area will in time learn the steps needed to become prepared for that position, by becoming more informed at the local county state levels to be a better informed citizen thus proving ones worth to lead.
During the in-take process a Broad Spectrum of Enlistees will be identified that has Earned the Rights to Teach and Educate --- University and College Administrators Professors, PhDs, Scientist, local teachers, public speakers, educators of all kinds, Political figures, Law enforcement officers and officials, men/women in the decision making process involved in banking commerce and trade and the service segment of our American enterprise etc.
1. All members will find more hope and inspiration from those mentioned. Because those local folks will help inspire the forums that is at the very heart of the WTPA to become the CHANGE that is needed in our democratic republic government.
NAOMI THERE IS SO MANY GOOD VOICES OUT THERE THIS IS THE DEED TO GO WITH THE VOICES
The SECOND plan is to reach out to those who could assist with the primary funding of the concept we have named those our BRIGHT STAR Founding Financial Advisors Directors and Donors such as Bill Gates, Michael Dell, Foundations, Think Tanks, Charities, AARP, Consumers Union, Peterson Foundation, Ford Foundation, Labor Unions, School Teachers Unions, ETC. $1,000----$5,000------$10,000-----$100,000----$MILLIONS. In the form of donations and grants.
The THIRD plan We will petition and plea with many in the public lime light now --- in all forms of media --- that have the goals of saving our rich heritage as we do ---- to come on board to be a contributor to the cause as they have proven to be ---- to take our near and long term goals to completion. We have named that group our Founding STAR POWERS IN ACTION our Directors in Media. The list of those to contact that have proven their will to survive in these past turbulent times and that recognizes the synergy in what are concept can do will make sense to them and they will enlist JOIN IN. That number of folks that met those objectives is long varied, wide and deep with intellect, personality, name recognition therefore we need to reach out best as we can for all to help to give freely to get the ball rolling ---- for the timing is right in our generation --- and all is in place to get that done in near record breaking time. Some of those many prospective Founding STAR POWERS IN ACTION our Directors in Media and donors/ actors may see the need to combine their present efforts with the WTPA by bringing there hard ware and/or software and some people to aid in the promulgation of the mission to our Office complex in Washington DC that will be the home of our group of Constitutional Lawyers and legal specialist, staff, media folks.
And in that cooperative group effort all will begin bringing in the will of the People then making the lawful matters published that is needed for the People in America to convey to our Politicians the redress of laws and edicts and the changes needed NOW. And from that same group of folks plans will be made to broadcast the real NEWS not views on CSPAN nightly.
The thrust and power that can be had from our Founding STAR POWERS IN ACTION our Directors in Media donors/actors working as contributing partners as groups or single parties will propel the WTPA concept to come to life. ---As Amy Goodman---Naomi Klein ETC. We have high hopes that we can get the entire crew of three hundred or more to work the work of the concept from the same page seeing the pressing need for our Democratic Republic to step up and out with the power of the people for all to have a Vested Voice and Vote for all polices, laws and agendas at the cities, counties, states and federal levels. Each regional web page will make available to the enlisted STAR POWERS IN ACTION to advertise at no charge their books for sale, their own web sites----speaking engagement -etc –for a win/win will ensue for the WTPA and our STAR POWERS IN ACTION when they reciprocate by publishing the WTPA in their books, publications, radio and televised media and on each web site --- spreading the word amongst the many that follow them to enlist JOIN IN to the WTPA.
NAOMI WE NEED YOU TO HELP US POWER PUSH THIS ALONG
FIRST To go out on the Internet to seek out those who would be willing to JOIN IN our Grass Roots actions needed to get people to work now toward the actions needed to give us the power in people and contributions to go forward. That grass roots group of folks we have named the TRUSTED WATCHMAN ON THE WALL Or TWTW. To enlist as a member and contributor the charge for a Life Time Fully Vested Voice heard and Voting member would be from [free to $25 per month] pursuant to the rules in the in-take process. This group is expected to represent 95% of our financial and grass roots political persuading strength that is needed to birth the concept that it can show it value to all others in the or Democratic Republic. And it is unto that group that all our window dressings on our publicly aired presentations of whom we are and what we do needs to bring attention. Those millions moms, dads, plumbers, tile layers, construction workers, longshoremen, nurses, auto mechanics, truckers, union workers all of those good to the core American people that we adore and want to make their lives more blessed and abundant. In the in-take process we will seek out those contributing worker partners that have skills to come on board to work as a Grass Roots Organizer with hopes to turn full time as director, attorneys, needed staff in the six regions and in DC the upper echelon jobs that will need to be filled. Then each several days articles of importance for that sector of the nation will be published for commenting by those that [enlist only] and allow comments to be made, then comments to those comments made ---- that will give the WTPA the base for a good informed forum for discussion to bring light too many views that will instill in those [enlisted] power to share views and with one another in a communed sense of belonging and working for the common cause of the Rights to Life for everyone and Equity in Justice as code of Honor. We will search for six sweat equity Regional Directors throughout the USA to organize and oversee the staff of volunteers to quickly and directly respond to the many in-takes from their regional area that JOIN IN at our main web site in DC. Each Region will be empowered with their own computer server to work for those that have enlisted. We believe that we will see top notch folks that have a zeal and a will too get the organizational matters and message out right away and as they do in their own words and deeds as our plans requires with aid from DC when needed --we expect that group to drive the concept train of WTPA right down the track full steam ahead till it reaches the destination.
It will be the responsibility of each person as a TWTW to pay each month [from –0- to $25 per month] as a Vested contributing/member to have their vested voices heard and their votes counted. And for the many in America that do not have a computer they can JOIN IN by mail and we will make a way for their voices to be heard and their votes to be counted in each region and district that will be stressed as a need to aid those best way in the connectivity issues raised daily on each web site connecting with all other members. And from that group the TWTW we will garner 95% of the needed funds to operate the entire effort, as it should be in a Democratic Republic. It is our valid assumption that as time progresses and folks start sharing and giving their ideas that all the [seemed mazes] that no one has been able to think through, at this time in our American history --- will be seen by some like moms, dads, grandmas, uncles aunts from all walks of life and all jobs and professions. WHY? Because they have been in tear filled thoughts and prayers just waiting and wanting to get their voices heard so they could help. WHY because they love all people and have an abiding sense to preserve their posterity in having an innate sense of civic duty that can overcome all odds.
Araquin, all very good points. Instead of bitching about what we aren't getting, work with what we have and start public protests. We need to start demanding investigations and laws out of Congress. That's their job. Time they did it. Find some progressive candidates to replace corporate flacks. That's why the entire House has an election every 2 years.
When the people fear their government there is tyranny,
when the government fears the people there is liberty.
~ Thomas Jefferson
NAOMI PLANS FOR OUR FUTURE
Executive Summary
We are consumed, committed and loyally devoted in forming our own not profit American entity for the People at large to have their own truth filled lobby in Washington DC.
The CONCEPT of the We the Peoples Advocacy WTPA is designed for the Voices of the lifetime-vested members and contributors to have their voices heard and voting rites on all issues be heard then represented with the legal power of lobby to implement and be pushed along in Washington DC. We are apolitical and non-religious. Our total concept/cause is to represent the People in America preserving their Rights to Life in all areas, while holding all to the Laws in our Constitution and preserving our national communed held wealth in all areas while bringing those to account that have others visions for the welfare, safety and longevity of the People in the USA while demanding that we remain solvent and have protections for our sovereignty to endure.
Our CAUSE is to bring a new dimension to our Democracy that is at this time viable with the advent of the Internet and state of art computer technology.
Our PLAN is to provide the means to affect this change in people, soft ware, hardware and investigations and representation for the People in America to have a Vested Voice and Vote concerning the many issues, matters and things that originate and get passed into law in Washington DC that affects each persons life. The People have a need to know and vote on all matters. When the CONCEPT is commercialized we can rest assured that the People at large that have enlisted as members and contributors will have access to all information and have a good forum for intense discussion with others that their communed Voices will be heard and Votes counted preserving the Peoples Rights to Life in all areas, While our Directors in Constitutional Law and the cadre of Attorneys have oversight in origination of legal matters that hold all the People taken as a whole to the Laws in our Constitution and preserve our national communed held wealth in all areas while bringing those to account that have other visions for the welfare, safety and longevity of the People in the USA ---- while demanding that the People at liberty remain solvent and have protections for their sovereignty to endure.
One BROAD GOAL of the WTPA is to promote pro-social friendships, stronger interpersonal inclusive communication skills, and reassert a sense of hope in the future. To accomplish this goal, people must be engendered into a caring, inclusive learning and giving back environment that promotes their best efforts and reinforces respect for self and others with all having a deep abiding respect for the laws of our land.
A specific GOAL of the WTPA is to identify the needs, wants, desires and wishes of the people who are going to have a turbulent transition back to being a contributing part of our society. By offering them a positive support systems in advocacy that will help avert and avoid the pitfalls that can derail our society and their individual lives. The focus is slightly different at each level of the governing bodies in the cities, counties, states and federal levels but the goal remains the same; empowering the people to make positive declarations of their needs, wants, desires and wishes that they believe will bring the needed changes in their lives and for those that are located around them.
A PLAN of WTPA is to have a director and staff in six regional offices covering the expanse of population in the grass roots of the American people that will present the generalized needs, wants, desires and wishes of those enlisted in each regional division. That information gathered will be a part of the in-take process. The WTPA will provide those that enlist positive support systems in advocacy that will help them avert and avoid the pitfalls that can derail our society and their individual lives. The WTPA will encourage mentoring programs at all levels in the input process and will pair each new member with a mentoring group for 12 months. The WTPA staffers will arrange the times and places for the monthly meetings at which times a guest speaker of importance will chair --- such as those form academy in colleges and universities that have likewise become members. New members will receive continuous training throughout the year in matters of importance at their city county state and federal level of needs, desires, and wants to become a matter to thrust forward for the Advocates purview for leadership roles in the foundations of all Democratic ruled societies. During that time many people young and old alike will prove their innate worth, as they become and join the ranks of the aspiring well educated, students then teachers, leaders, role models, mentors and advocates in their communities at large providing to all the scope and mission of the WTPA to promote the Rights for Life for everyone. Assessing their Voices and Votes from informative forums on our private web site dedicated to the many needed causes for action. The WTPA director and staff will develop partnerships with those that enlist being employed by cities, counties, states and federal entities to continue that same need to be explained to others in their workforce arena. All members should be involved in the need to enlist others to become a member and contributor in the WTPA to again strengthen the message of HOPE.
Our SCOPE has two business plans
Our PLAN to fund the WTPA
NAOMI MORE GOOD WORDS
Preamble
We the People in Unity
Declare
We believe that our United States of America has grown in population such that our voices in representation in our federal government has diminished to a degree that we must in solidarity form our own We the People Advocacy to lobby in Washington DC. To make our voices heard once again.
When we were a young nation of less that five million the size of our Congress and Senate had an ear to the grass roots needs of our people. Our population now is over three hundred million and the size of our Congress and Senate has not keep up with our growth. Therefore We the People in Unity declare that our city, counties states and Federal Governments have grown too centralized, too intrusive, too exclusive and too expensive.
We believe in Constitutional oversight by the people, smaller governments, Rights to Life for everyone in civil liberties, federalism, and taxes that span the great gulf of all our contributing members and resources and be assessed with equity for all.
We the People in Unity want to make a stern call to all elected and charged to govern us to end laws and programs that don't work, eradicate the laws, programs and agencies that cause harm, and cause a call from our Department of Justice to summons those that have clearly violated the basic tenets of our Laws in our Constitution to be held to account.
We the People in Unity want the power to restore the full force of ALL the amendments, in our Constitution which will bring back the power to us to govern ourselves in all needed sane sanguine and society social functions and end NOW our needless and warrant less wars ---- and in the future ----deny the use of all preemptive aggressive wars that have robbed from us our people and our communed treasury.
NAOMI HERE IS SOME MORE GOOD WORDS
THE ANSWER
Introduction to the WTPA
ALL SHOULD SEE NOW ---THAT WE NEED OUR OWN
LOBBY IN WASHINGTON DC.
So what are we to do? A good idea is for us is to form our own lobbying efforts. The concept is not new the Grange did a similar thing and changed the way our federal Government worked ---http://www.nationalgrange.org/
In some foreign countries advocates for the people are doing likewise, in America today many advocates that help those with disabilities are do the same.
FOLKS we are 5 million strong, simply saying ----- we must mount a front to confront the ones who use money thrown at lobbyist to get what they want that most times those things are at odds with the American populous needs, wants and wishes.
In saving of our Nation --- a people sound sane and grounded in being kind, caring, loving their fellow man here in the USA and around the world are going to be the ones to lead us into a better form of Democracy. In doing we cannot live in a dream-enhanced state such as some want to do---- with heads in the clouds waiting for some ONE to come along and fix the mess that we are in. We must take Action in the use of our words first then our deeds will follow represented here as our plan for the WTPA --- that lays claim that many People want to be a working contributing part of our civil society where all would have the Rights to Life regardless of their education, status in life, creeds, customs or color of their skin.
Now the WTPA has arrived and is the Good Change with thundering in the clouds that will produce a cool rain that will shower down on all ----- that has a desire to work toward getting ----then giving all Americans a voice in our Democracy. Thus held in your hands is We The Peoples Advocacy or WTPA our grand plan to help aid all the People at large in America the thrust needed to improve our Democracy.
We believe a forum for discussion is a primary need for our society. We see a great need to get the American People informed with the hard-core matters that are at hand. Seemingly there are many items matters and things that are disguised in an effort to gain more sympatric response from the other less others that have not the training or educational skills to purge deeply for hidden agendas or quirks in the use of LAWS that seem good but at the core are wrong for the American Masses for them to have the Rights to Life as was intended long ago and was the heartbeat of our elders.
NAOMI DO YOU LIKE THESE WORDS?
We the People in Unity
Declare
When a government has ceased to protect the lives, liberty and property of WE THE PEOPLE, from whom its legitimate powers are derived, and for the advancement of whose happiness it was instituted falters and fails in substantive issues, matters and things we must re-institute in a legal form for our voices and votes to be heard.
And so far the present form of our Federal Government has not been a guarantee for the enjoyment of those inestimable and inalienable rights, but has become an instrument in the hands of evil rulers for their oppression:
When the Constitution of our country, which they have sworn to support, no longer has a substantial existence, and the whole nature of our government has been forcibly changed, without WE THE PEOPLES consent, from a democratic republic, composed of sovereign states change must come and quickly.
Our Federal Government has in many ways become a consolidated central military despotism, in which every interest if pursued could degenerate the Rights of the Life of its citizens by the Federal Investigative and Enforcement Law.
And in the recent past our Executive Branch of the Federal Government and all that become appointed and employees to duties both have proved to be the eternal enemies of our civil liberties and have made visible the ever-ready minions of power, the usual instrument of tyrants and to that end we as a People must demand indictments be brought to bear on the offenders in perfecting the laws of our Constitution.
When, long after the spirit of the Constitution has departed, those in power at length, so far lose moderation that even the semblance of freedom has been removed and to that end we as a People must take up a legal stand to demand change.
And when all the forms of the Constitution has been discounted and discontinued to a meaningless set of laws and edicts for which all citizens should abide by and live we, as People must demand a legal oversight for change.
And so far many petitions and remonstrance's have been regarded, the agents who bear them are thrown into all sorts of terror filled restraints inclusive prisons of despair, and mercenary agents and armies have been dispatched to force sovereign citizens in America and some in other Nations at the point of the tools of war:
And when, the present matters of great concern if not stopped now the consequence of such acts of malfeasance and abdication on the part of our federal government, anarchy will prevail, and our civil society will be dissolved into its original elements.
In such a crisis, the first law of nature, the right of self-preservation, the inherent and inalienable right of WE THE PEOPLE to appeal to first principles and take their political affairs into our own hands in extreme case, enjoins it as a right towards us.
And it is a sacred obligation to our posterity and us to make legal certainty that the many offenders in the military and federal government as elected executives, employees, appointees, and envoys are indicted or impeached, tried, convicted, fined, banished with no impunity.
And in such causes to be Constitutionally elicited ---- worthy others are to be empowered as substitutes in lieu of the next term of elected officials to resume elected powers, calculated to rescue WE THE PEOPLE from impending dangers, and to secure our future welfare and happiness in all legal actions needed to preserve our solvency and sovereignty.
Therefore the problems in our Congress today -- is such that our country has far too many in population today to be served by such a limited few.
Accordingly We The People has put our best effort forward to elect a President to take the lead and do what is right for us. And that effort appears to have become a languishing effort or a far cry from getting what is needed done today about the failed fraught with fraud past and if not changed now will set a lackluster legal precedent for our future as well.
Lobbyist represents the very ones that have caused the erratic decline of our nation. They write many of the laws that go on to be voted, by our Congress and Senators that have never read the contents. Thus We The People must enter that same arena and write the laws that protects and serves our interests, forming our own LOBBY in Washington DC to protect all our rights to life.
The BUSH Administration in all of its known derision, decadents with actions by dissenters, in our rich and abundant America and world wide too has caused multiple disasters and that has aroused an awareness of those with Patriotic views to stand firm, shoot out with strident voices and not to back down or cower but to press on toward moving our Democratic Republic to a restored legal right and height for representation of the people to be fully restored.
Some Barons of banking, trade and commerce, the makers of the tools of war and many others that need to stay under our protection of us as a Nation --- has caused multiplicities of infractions against us while they took care business their own way. And many times that has involved killing innocence people out and about in the world’s populations. Black Water works for Chevron in the Congo and it has been reported that Bush created AFRICOM to do likewise under the guise of propping up failing Democracies. It is reported that We the People pay for and to that end support over seven hundred active military installations throughout the earth today and up till now we have had no recourse or redress against those kind of military actions.
DwightBaker
What? I did try to "do the work" I set a date... are we going to do this wor what? Sick out -19th or 20th of May... What'd ya say?
EQUITY FOR ALL IN ACTS OF JUSTICE
If this our generation alive on planet earth TODAY does not get it and then push for it to be expanded prolonged extended that all have the rights to life in acts of justice with equity. Then MY TAKE we as the willing and able to help lead the many that are NOT ---- should have never been born and had a time to live.
And that is the WAKE UP call for all. To stop the idiotic jabber--- grab ass and those that prefer to wallow around in their own stupidity instead of getting behind a well thought out plan then grabbing each others hands and work the work that must be done to get saving our Rich and Abundant America.
Dwight Baker We The Peoples Advocacy WTPA leading the way out of mediocrity to a new day with Rights of Life for everyone with Justice in equity.
For info contact Dbaker007@stx.rr.com
Ok am I loosing my mind? I know I just made a comment about setting a date for the sick out - I'm sure I have the right article. yes I did respond with same on another article but ....
I suggest the sick out to be may 19 or 20th . I feel that that gives sufficient time for organization and well, it works out to be a good day to be sick-er. That would be a tues or wed...
Who's biting
or suggest soemthing else...
and again why are we sicking out? To get prosecution of those that smeared our constitution and laughed in the face of the Treaties that were made to keep ourselves humane and to keep our own troops safe from retribution.
Well, I am 85 and my middle name is Hope but long ago I discovered that hope can be just wishful thinking unless it is 'evidential hope' and that is a do-it-yourself' project.
And I voted for Kicinich in the primary and then Nader--to keep some glimmer of hope that there are those who are truly dedicated to worthy causes and do not just want to be 'the imperial decider.' Not sure what I would have done if I lived in a 'swing' state--maybe gagged on the charisma and voted for Obama in spite of the red flags I noted before the election.
Hey! My middle name is Hope too. But I didn't vote for Obama. :-) I also supported Kucinich... then Gravel then Nader. Maybe WE are the true meaning of Hope.
YES. And NO, at the same time.
I've just watched the April 16 Daily Show on the net. The "Tea Parties" were not exactly headline news in Europe, so I didn't know that much about them. I was shocked when I realized that the right-wing media of America, with Fox as cheerleader, is trying to build up grass-roots movements to make life really difficult for Obama. They didn't miss a beat.
I've watched the American Right and their efforts to unseat Clinton using methods which would have been called a cold coup d'état in any developing country.
There weren't any millions of Americans who took to the streets when it happened.
And I am watching right now how the Right is trying to undo another election result.
I don't see any millions who hit the street to prevent that either.
I agree that Obama isn't radical enough. I am shocked that the crimes of the past administration will not be prosecuted. They should be - primarily as a warning to the entire secret services community and the armed forces.
This is exactly the point of dragging Ex-Yugoslavian warlords to The Hague and putting them on trial, BTW. The prime goal is the warning to the rest out there: No, there is no impunity. Yes, we'll get you in the end! You better think twice about committing crimes just because you think you are allowed to. Use your conscience!
This lesson is one which CIA operatives PLUS too many Americans at large are still in dire need of learning. Obama prevented that learning process.
This "they were acting under orders" smacks of the line of defense all higher-up Nazis used in Nuremberg, after all.
BUT: The Obama administration is facing the usual intense fire from America's fascistoid Right, and this is where the Left ought to close ranks, IMO.
You can't have 250,000 people demonstrate for something as ridiculous as they do - I wish my taxes were as low as American taxes, but then again, I wouldn't want to have to endure American-style tax-starved infrastructure or health care, unless I was rich, in return, thank you very much!! - and not come to Obama's rescue!
One has to choose the right moment to pick a fight. Right now, even the little Obama is trying to accomplish is under attack.
With mostly extreme right-wing or simply dumb mass media in place, the real battle is elsewhere. The Right is trying another coup d'état, of course. I have always been questioning their commitment to democracy. So please don't get distracted again!!
Hit back! Take to the streets. Outdo their numbers.
Only afterwards is the time to get tough with Obama, I fear.
Progressive Americans have to act to the backdrop of the population they've got to deal with: Mostly uneducated, easily excitable, unsolidary, glued to right-wing TV and tremendously greedy.
Sorry, I know that none of you is like that, but these are the facts. And facts, not emotions, ought to guide the American Left's strategy.
Bashing Obama right now (I have never been an Obama fan, BTW) is just counterproductive. Hit him later. Hit your little fascists first!
Obama was elected as the leader but he needs his supporters and believers to harshly and immediately redefine the ambit and goals of his mission.
The presidency of the United States must be guided by the aspirations and informed consent not of the vested interests and corporate oligarchs but of all the people who strove to believe not in Obama as a presidential celebrity but in his pronounced mission. Obama's mission is creeping away from the guidance of its supporters and into collusion with the old parasites who drain America and feed the world to its unleashed corporate vampires.
The president needs guidance, not from the chiefs of defense staff, but from those thoughtful citizens from whom his mission was entrusted. Few presidents before Obama have invoked greater public aspirations and none have achieved stronger informed electoral support for their missions. But, the corporate parasites need to entangle Obama in violent intrigues, illegal operations, and labyrinthine wars the exits from which only they control. This president needs to reject their council and consider them the age old enemy of freedom.
We the people without fear or want of favour must advise him so and stand accountable because hope, faith and despair will not advance the American mission.
Michael Major\\
Boy, this place sure has changed since I last commented...
So Naomi, is it just coincidence you've never responded to my or others' appeals to engage us in discussing mathematically perfected economy(TM), or are you actually capable of proving there is more than one actual, integral solution for the categoric faults of a pretended monetary system *which can only* multiply debt in to terminal debt?
What *is* that alternate solution, Naomi?
The same one which Obama's "Economic Policy Team" refuses to answer to?
mike montagne
PEOPLE For Mathematically Perfected Economy
The sleep of war,like hops and poppy to sedate the fear, awakened to find the war over and no further wisdom of how to live together only to tired to fight longer.
Involvement in governance for one day brings in elected dictatorship. If we want to see things change, I think people need to persevere. The lobbyists and vested interests are there everyday and people should be there too.
This articles takes me back to the good ol' days of browsing through urbandictionary.com
My favorite entry: "You really fucked up, Negroponte."
All it took was obama cozying up to corporate america and izrael, when it appeared he had a chance of being the democrat nominee for me to go to a third party. I knew it wouldn't change much and even though the crap he was left with from w & dick's fiasco can't be fixed, replaced or undone in 100 days or 100 weeks, I knew I wouldn't be unindated with a hopeover. Just another typical national election in the land of OZ where the curtain the 'man/men' hide behind needs tearing down exposing their real identities.
Nader has a great article at Counterpunch explaining EXACTLY what to do about Obama and his fellow greedsters.
Hope is transitory, delusionary and overrated. As the Dutch said while struggling against the 17th century superpower Spain: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
hoop is niet nodig om vol te houden.
geloof wel.
So true.
Hope is inherently generative of cognitive dissonance, in that it is essentially the willingness to feel good about something uncertain. The greater the uncertainty, the more audacious must be the hope that the desired events will come to pass. Obama's propagandists capitalized on this by amplifying the audacity of hope while simultaneously suppressing with equal force the uncertainties of his platform and the likelihood that he would fail to deliver the desired changes.
A wise person's thoughts and actions have their roots, not in hope or fear, but in understanding and love.
Hope is irrelevant.
Why do I get the sour feeling that by the end of Obama's term, the words "hope" and maybe even "change" will be dirty words?
"Change" has been reduced to what the law requires must be done with the overloaded diaper of the US presidency every four years.
I saw a comment elsewhere that apparently seriously supported the "long game" view that Obama has worked out a two-term strategy to lick the banksters and the generals and the terrorists and the Republicans, etc. The commenter asserted that this term would see many apparent setbacks-- two steps backwards, with Obama husbanding that Political Capital; then, the awesome second term in which he charges forth and accomplishes his noble and lofty goals.
So in terms of my diaper metaphor, this guy is rooting for a rinse & repeat.
· Yr Obd't Servant
Then at this rate, "change" will be Orwellianized to the point that mentioning "change" to the audience will mean status quo whereas mentioning "status quo" could mean anything?
0 promised change.
he changed his mind.
◎ _ r e a l l y _ hoped
he would change.
.
Which is just like _ r e a l l y _ trying to take this pen from my hand,
■ ■■ ■ ■■ > w h o o s e ■ ■■ ■ ■■ >
"I missed it by this much"
Namaste
Wow, perhaps he'll need the audacity of a very wet tongue :
" two-term strategy to § _ l i c k _ § the banksters and the generals and the terrorists and the Republicans,"
I'm sorry if I cannot remove that imagine of ◎ slobbering all over and under those banksters.
He r e a l l y works hard for his money ( move over Donna Summer )
If that's not suggestive enough, the delayed reaction needed throughout a second term reminds me of a hospitalization, where the impacted constipation could only be addressed through a succession of irrigations, before explosive release.
Is ◎ a water sign ?
I sure h o p e that someday he can earn my respect.
Namaste
I hope that Obama will stand against the left wing conservatives that want to assassinate his character and the right wing conservatives that also want to assassinate his person and take progressive actions despite the regressive allure of Mammon's siren songs.
we cannot continue to live our industrial life, yet our planet's corrupted governmental structures are intending to do just that...we have no way forward but to abandon the delegated, property-owning, industrial life for one in which we take our own individual rights and responsibilities back...a planetary cease-fire from human destruction, if you will...we grow our own food and make our own shelter and put out our own fires and police our own communities according to our own laws and treat our own illnesses...we have stepped outside of our minds and bodies, handed them to the Nation, and are watching our lives transpire reactively as others would have them...we must step back into our minds and bodies and use them proactively to deliver our own sustenance and salvation...
I propose we all begin to do these things on September 22, 2012, and that we use the intervening years to re-establish the robust vegetable and animal infrastructure we will need...think of it as building a planet to house our species, and all of the other myriad creatures...we already have a big ball with air and water and sunlight to work with...
dubet-
Nice post. Why wait until 2012 though? We are already in the quickening.
This is the DAWNING of the AGE OF AQUARIUS. This is just the beginning.
There is no "judgment day". We make personal choices ever day concerning love and peace that will all eventually lead to a day of personal reckoning.
Namaste
I'm not surprised at all that this happened, and I'm kind of glad it happened so early on. Obama snowed so many people, and he smiled because it was so d*mn easy. He only needed to have a dark face and use the word "change" without any explanation of what those changes would be. The dark face was a mask, because behind it is the same corporate shill face that has been running this country and the world into the ground for far too long.
I just wish that all those people who wanted a dark face in the White House, could have voted for REAL change and voted for McKinney instead of letting the white corporate media tell them WHICH black face they should vote for.
If the corporate media WANTS you to vote for anyone -- no matter what the race or gender -- you say NO, THANK YOU, FACIST MEDIA! And cast your vote for the candidate who REALLY represents you.
"If the corporate media WANTS you to vote for anyone ... you say NO, THANK YOU, FACIST MEDIA!"
That would be a big step forward, but it's not likely to happen here.
Your suggestion reminds me of a story I once heard from someone whose academic department was looking for a new chairperson. In an attempt to keep the self-serving types at bay, the first rule that the committee decided on was this: anyone who asked for the job would be immediately rejected.
When Nixon exposed to the world what the rulers of the U.S. were really like, they put in Jimmy Carter to fool the world into thinking that the U.S. was serious about fixing their system, but all they were interested in was a fresh face which expressed honesty. Behind the scenes all the old players continued to run things as they always did, except for a few minor attention grabbers that could be paraded. After the disaster presidency of Bush jr, which ranks it in the same, unacceptable, category as Nixon's presidency, the owners put in Obama, and they did it for the exact same reason that they put Carter in: Because they were frightened.
“I believe strongly in transparency and accountability... The United States is a nation of laws."
Pres. Obama April 16
BAIL OUT: There is no accountability or transparency for the billions of taxpayer funds given to Wall Street crooks.
SPYING ON US: There is no accountability or transparency in the NSA's massive and illegal interceptions of emails and phone calls of American citizens.
MORE WAR: The Iraq war and murder of women and children continues, the Afghan-Pakistan war and murder of women and children grows.
WAR CRIMES & TORTURE WITH IMPUNITY: Torturers go free with no special prosecutor or independent inquiry. The rule of law, International treaties, and the US Constitution ignored.
CHANGE WE CAN NOT BELIEVE!
PE
Now that Obama has shown his true corporate colors, you have at most one year to find an acceptable 3rd party candidate to get behind...otherwise get used to disappointment.
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
Obama : The Audacity of Protecting War Criminals
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
I guess that after a year Obama will be named "boot-shining boy"... Shining up the same old boot that Bush had and all the earlier presidents Just some glossing on the surface to make it more easy to swallow for naive Europeans and US citizens...
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B-o-r-i-n-g.
Wake me when you're ready to do something about this s**t.
Z-zzzzzzzzzzz
Reminds me of a Charles Schwab ad I saw at a bus stop this morning.
"I want my future back!"
"Do something about it."
Talk to Chuck.
"Hope is the longing for a circumstance in which we have no agency."
Example: I do not hope to drive my car, I just do it. I hope that I will not be ploughed into by an eighteen wheeler while sitting at a light.
Hope is wishful thinking, day dreaming. It relieves us of responsibility for doing something by promising a savior.
It feels good, as does all mental masturbation.
A scene in a recent movie was an artist pleading with a communist party boss to allow him to return to work. When he asked "Am I right to hope?" the corrupt official said "Of course. As you know, hope dies last."
Very clever, Naomi Klein. And the most important observation is the tendency to go from hope to apathy. That is, people are not wanting to take responsibility for their lives, they want to be saved. That's not going to happen and Obama warned us it won't happen before he was elected.
I agree that the rulers of America aren't elected or even known. They live behind the curtain. And they are afraid of us, because we actually are the ones with the power. We outnumber them. The French peasants figured that out, and they haven't forgotten it.
When the people fear their government there is tyranny,
when the government fears the people there is liberty.
~ Thomas Jefferson
Obama makes one false move that the power class can't abide . . . he joins JFK.
USers have to understand what species of deranged human garbage rules the US.
Sneaker-
Not to get personal but are you high-tops or low-tops?
Exactemant.
Many on the left, especially the Naders don't care or understand this. You have to be a hypocrite to say that the CORPOMASONFASCISTAS are gonna just pee their pants if a guy like Nader were elected. He would be handcuffed. Not a metaphor.
All of these hypocrites here are in denial.
I am sorry but anyone on here who doesn't know the difference between following Obama and building on the movement is out of touch.
It is like some sad comedy. If you are at war with an evil enemy then why would you spend all of your time talking about how bad they are?
You have to start talking tactics or you are just the guy yelling "fire!" and running out of the building.
There are too few Obama lovers in the progressive movement to even worry about.
And as soon as Oprah is out of love then change will come. Y'all have seen "Waiting to Exhale" right?
...Becuase the author is right, WE NEED TO START DEMANDING...
And yet, many of us weren't fooled.
We saw through the fraud. And felt sorry for the mooncalves who battled the bitter cold on Jan 20 to witness Bush transfer power to his clone.
Progress can't be achieved by voting for a Democrat. Or Republican. Ever.
WOW- GREAT ARTICLE!~
As I just wrote on another article,the one about (the torture memo's) it'e time.
Let'w have a sick out day -set the date. Becuase I for one am getting sicker and sicker, call it hopesick.
the initiate-
Great idea! Who would organize it though? I would hope that MoveOn would but I wouldn't bet on it. Oprah could do it but I think she is still in love. It might be easier to do it citywide, it might make more of a difference.
We could all pick a holiday. BUY NOTHING DAY is pretty popular now. I think many people would be afraid of the red flags that would come out if you took that day off.
"I am afraid to call in sick today on NATIONAL CALL IN SICK DAY."
No matter what we do, as long as the media has control over how we understand things we have no chance.
I like NATIONAL COUGH WHILE SAYING BULLSHIT DAY. I'll let you start that one.
The only thing we can do now is get jiggy with it.
Namaste
Namaste~
For years I've enjoyed your comments. It's always been a pleasure to discover that this "new" commentor or that "new" commentor turns out to be you. Again, I've enjoyed your comments for a while now. Yet, I've never felt compelled to reply. Your NATIONAL COUGH WHILE SAYING BULLSHIT DAY idea seriously made me laugh out loud. Thank you, old friend.
P.S.
RichM WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!?!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!
I am reborn in all who bow toward and see the light of God
in each other, and are thereby transported to that shared place.
☮ _ N a m a s t e _ ☮
is much more than a screen name that I've chosen, and although no longer my textual cover, I use it as a spiritual salutation that is often confused as a signature.
Many people can share each moment of presence with each other, in observing this holy gesture ( hands held in payer, in front of one's face ) -- which is far more than mere sound or letters.
Many people are perfectly justified in ending their messages with the profound message of Namaste
As is equally true in the profound mantra and spiritual energy sound of ☮ M = A U M contains
_ _ _ _ _ five parts of the symbol of OM is represented by
♥ Brahma (A),
♥ Vishnu (U),
♥ Shiva (M),
♥ Sadäçiva ( reverberation; crescent Moon called "näda"), and
♥ Ädi-çakti (nasal; dot over the crescent Moon called "bindu")
The OM ( AUM ) sound progresses across the tongue, and in a rolling manner forming all the vowels, along with the nasal and reverberation
The absolute reality beyond the the three obvious syllables is the silence after the A U M. The ethereal portion of silence, is that that creates and then enfolds the sound itself ( itself ).
We start with elemental Earth Water Fire Air, & Space -- the mantra leads awareness in reverse order from manifestation back to the course from which it arose, consciousness recedes upward through the chakras, from earth into water, then into fire, air, space, and beyond.
I am but one of unbounded points of light,
that when reflected upon, open us all to
radiance in the enfolding of spirit.
Namaste
Thanks. I'm humbled. And I love learning things.
EBlair-
What does Eblair stand for?
Eric
you wrote 1984!!!
I wish I could take credit for it. But, yes, that is the name.
You are making an invalid assumption. This is not the poster who used to sign that way.
Your first statement is correct. Your second cannot be proven. Are you RichM?
Proof is a slippery thing.
I hope my signatory use of HTML tags is demonstrably enough ?
Namaste
Hee, welcome back under any name.
My point being that some try to grab cachet to which they are unentitled. I could not sit idly while someone who I see as phony as a three dollar bill was assumed to be someone whose posts have great worth.
Ask why someone would steal a catch phrase to begin with?
de nada
But I welcome all to use the salutation to build community and personal awareness of the greatness within each of us, if we learn to see and acknowledge it in others, our mirrors.
____ N A M A S T E ___ M E A N S ____
There is much within this greeting/salutation, a Sanskrit word meaning:
"The Light of God in Me
recognizes and honors The Light of God in You
and in that recognition is our Oneness"
MORE FULLY:
"I honor the place in you
in which the entire Universe dwells,
I honor the place in you
which is of Love, of Truth, of Light and of Peace,
When you are in that place in you,
and I am in that place in me,
we are One."
IN EVEN MORE DETAIL:
"For, Hindu(s), of course, the greeting of choice is “Namaste,”
the two hands pressed together and held near the heart with the
head gently bowed as one says, “Namaste.” Thus it is both a
spoken greeting and a gesture, a Mantr(a) and a Mudr(a). The
prayerful hand position is a Mudr(a) called Anjali, from the root
Anj, “to adorn, honor, celebrate or anoint.” The hands held in
union signify the oneness of an apparently dual cosmos, the
bringing together of spirit and matter, or the self meeting the
Self. It has been said that the right hand represents the higher
nature or that which is divine in us, while the left hand
represents the lower, worldly nature.
In Sanskrit “Namas” means, “bow, obeisance, reverential
salutation.” It comes from the root Nam, which carries meanings
of bending, bowing, humbly submitting and becoming silent. “Te”
means “to you.” Thus “namaste” means “I bow to you.”
be subtle ways of enhancing the gesture, as in the West one might
shake another’s hand too strongly to impress and overpower them
or too briefly, indicating the withholding of genuine welcome.
In the case of Namaste, a deeper veneration is sometimes
expressed by bringing the fingers of the clasped palms to the
forehead, where they touch the brow, the site of the mystic Third
Eye. A third form of namaste brings the palms completely above
the head, a gesture said to focus consciousness in the subtle
space just above the Brahma-randhra, the aperture in the Crown
Chakr(a). This form is so full of reverence it is reserved for
the Almighty and the holiest of Sat Guru(s). the Almighty and the
holiest of Sat Guru(s)."
Oh Kind Namaste, your Spirit gentle, touched my soul
Raindrops filling broken promises with Light
You are in the world but deft, it touches you not,
And Ethereal Namaste you Teach
Love, Shy? Don't be giving one,
Love, we are One.
Dead Suns the Newborn's Bright Eyes She is Zen.
Namaste, how does a child spell Love?
What was required of you to elucidate and share/teach w/ your posts?
A child spells Love, t-i-m-e kind soul, teacher, time-taker, giver.
Sugar Magnolia, Blossoms blooming,
Heads all empty but I don't care
Saw my baby down by the River,
Knew She'd have to come up soon for air,
Much Love, thank you for another sweet lesson, USBLUES
My compassion for others and reverence for life, are part of the grace given to me
that allows and discerns my perceptions and compels me to be
-- more than I ever thought I could be --
a teacher to thee.
Namaste
Just adding my 2 cents worth.....Does everyone really believe that the President of the United States really has power? I no longer do. I believe the President is a figurehead and those around him/her have all the real power...especially the military/Pentagon and believe it or not....some foreign nations, i.e., Israel, Saudi Arabia, China. The President does not act alone and cannot act as his conscience dictates....not yet anyway.
I never had any great hope in Obama, nor was any warranted. During the campaign he appeared to be the fork-tongued Clintonesque triangulator he has turned out to be. No genuine progressive could find hope in such an individual. So the very premise of the article, that there was grounds for great hope, is what must be looked at. What makes so many Americans vulnerable to being chumps . . . again and again and again? Why are so many progressives like an abused spouse, who thinks maybe her abusive husband won't beat her up again, because now he's gotten a facelift and has made lots of new promises? Obama is the oligarchy's facelift.
And according to DMG's article, the US gets more facelifts than any other nation in the world (was that combined also?). Which would explain, on Inauguration Day, the fancy phrase, THE ONLY PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER ON THE PLANET. BEHOLD! WE ARE AMERICA!
odoco
Just read where Obama administration is still invoking Bush's policy of not allowing Maher Arar to enter the United States. Arar is the Canadian citizen who was illegally kidnapped and tortured - Canada already has admitted guilt in case.
No, this isn't change I can believe in. In fact, it sickens me.
Excellent article Naomi!
Your final statement: "Hoperoots. Sample sentence: "It's time to stop waiting for hope to be handed down, and start pushing it up,from the hoperoots." begs the question why is our hope either a hand me down or hidden in some mysterious roots waiting for us to push it up? Is this the nature of hope? I think a good understanding of hope and it's place with humans is asking to be discussed.
I miss those days when Leea would speak of snowflakes and snowballs and snowball fights and all that shit.
A discussion of hope?
thank you, ms. klein. keep pounding on that bell. if that doesn't get their attention, there are other ways.
george m. _ "i'm all for starting a violent revolution. i think this is the only way out of this mess." you are so right. the passive approach only works in tea rooms and pansy gardens and with those wearing rose colored glasses.. as long as our approach remains the same, i.e. watching bailout after bailout and cover-up after cover-up to and for these sorry excuses of humanity, they aren't too concerned about us.
on the other hand, it is a certainty that the monitoring of our protest posts here and elsewhere has sent them some sort of red flag. if it hasn't, then they are dumber than we believe them to be, and they should be removed from office and boardroom. in any manner necessary. this will most likely happen in a seemingly unlikely manner from a seemingly unlikely person or group. and from that action will true hope for the american people spring forth. only then will we have their attention.
"a patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." - edward abbey
You really think people are monitoring out comments here? I think the government monitors groups or individuals trying to start groups but maybe some campaign types come here but other than that...?
I am not sure. Just wondering.
they monitor all thought, i'm sure it's easy w/ an nsa black budget that's completely mysterious. monitoring (creating files) and intervening are 2 different things - i'm thinking of the RNC welcoming committee's experience last summer. where informants, murky definitions of domestic terrorism and unsubstantiated insinuations concerning intent were used in an unsuccessful attempt to stifle a large political demonstration.
when you take the info, do something about it (in a very visible way - say 10,000 people on the street) - expect your fbi file to grow exponentially. believe it.
it isn't paranoia and it's actually what one would expect in a 21st century autocratic (in this case sugarcoated with the liberating feeling of freedom)
nation.
...peace...
They may hear, but they don't listen...
I think Obama wants us to protest he wants us to make him do the right thing instead of a violent protest how about starting a non violent one but lets take to the streets and show Obama that we will support the decision to prosecute the criminals of the Bush administration
kazy-
Right on!
If you want to equate what a good man might be like in politics, I think an 'undercover' agent is an operative metaphor. Not that Obama is James Bond or anything but we have to look for signs that he will support the progressive movement. Little things like supporting the "window worker sit in" was a nice change but it is easy to judge what we would do or someone like Nader would do if given the chance.
I don't understand the concept of meeting greed and corruption with scorn and disdain. You counteract greed and evil by outsmarting it. You don't yell at the devil so to speak. You outwit him.
By the way people, what are the other good options we have left? Is not to try and start an extremely wide umbrella Peace and Justice movement to push Obama and the rest of the government one of the few good options we have left?
The truth of the matter is that most people here know that under a Republican leadership like the Bush administration, a fascist reaction to a peaceful uprising is much more likely than under a Democratic one. Not a matter of night and day but enough of a difference to matter.
So now that we don't have the boot of Bush on our heads, don't you think it is time to pressure this government peacefully.
This is the only thing we can do now with the popularity level of Obama.
We need to be demanding Obama live up to his promises and taking to the streets en masse and peacefully.
If we can't do this like many other working class and poor populations do under much more totalitarian regimes, then we will never convince the ruling class to give in to our demands.
Peace
Why do we need to do this? Shouldn't a president bear the responsibility of doing the right thing? Sure, it helps to have the support of the people, but seriously... he KNOWS why he was voted in by most people. In my estimation, he's back peddling on a ton of campaign promises. Although, if anyone had looked at his voting record (and not his 'explanations' afterward for those votes), they would have seen the writing on the wall.
We shouldn't have to make him do the right thing.
Could anyone make Bush do the right thing?
At this point why would anyone entertain the notion that Obama is sincerely receptive?
If he wanted to hear us he woudld've appointed at least one post to someone who represents us.
Thinking we can hold any sway over him is a fantasy.
Another thing I kept hearing throughout the campaign was how Obama was funded by all the little people--now I hear the only contributors to his campaign were the money boys. Seems like the money boys are being rewarded--not so for the little people- they are quite forgotten.
odoco
You're right Vern - more than half his money came from corporations. In fact, probably less of his money came from small contributors as was publicized. If I remember correctly, small contributors who made more than one contribution were counted as two separate contributors.
Summers and Geithner sealed it for me.
Gravel tried to point this out during the campaign. It's a pity that more people didn't listen to him. He's a very wise man.
I knew Obama was bogus when his supporters conducted the sleaziest primary campaign ever. Real Democrats don't run smear campaigns.
Two things stick in my mind: Obama's genuflecting to AIPACE before the election, and the information on free trade and his implicit support of same (Chicago School - Friedman) actually existing on his campaign website. Definite red flags - yes, I did vote for him, but unlike my usual campaign status, I did not hit the streets for him. Many supporters in my little hometown were upset with me because of this, but something just didn't seem to fit . . .Something else that is becoming a growing concern of mine is Obama's glorification of the military. The implications of that, along with the military being engaged domestically at least twice within the past year (California DUI traffice stops and the shooting in a southern state where the military showed up - against the law - and no one has ever divulged who called them or why).
At this point in m life I trust no one. I believe nothing I hear. I am witness to acts and consequences: that witness, actual, tangible, will forever be the sole basis for my belief system. I don't want to give up on this man, my heart tells me not to, but it seems that there have been so very, very many disappointments, and many of them moral in nature. If someone is not held accountable for all the crimes committed in the past, both economic and military, there will be no change in the future, there will be no hope for a better future, but there will be similar and repeated transgressions because the people who run this country never have to pay a price for their crimes committed against the common people.
Sioux Rose
ODOCO: I echo your sentiments and observations. I would add, however, that another major BETRAYAL is seen not only in all you related, but implied in your last paragraph where you say, "if someone is not held accountable." That takes us to his giving the Bush Junta a free pass, and ultimately retaining the "nod" on the torture tactics PRACTICED on alleged "terrorists." I really grieve for the state of our nation, but perhaps this IS the karma: that so many remain asleep as the bus goes off the cliff, the bus that gathered momentum to arrive at this perilous point as a direct result of pushing so many other vehicles (nations attacked without any true basis for provocation, i.e. the so-called "just war" excuse) off the road. Neither nation nor individual ultimately escapes the rebound of the law of karma, that arc as Martin Luther King related that bends towards justice. What can help offset the brutality of its boomerang is to give generously and practice acts of consideration. Good deeds are the ultimate strategic offset. But the US mostly gives lip service to aid programs. Too often these merely support the big corporations going into foreign lands to extract at their pleasure, and leave ruins for the persons left behind.
As others have pointed out in this forum, it's the right time to simplify one's existence, appreciate the very basics of life, and where possible, cultivate a garden.
Obama is doing what he has to to be an effective president. I'd love to see those criminals in the former government pay for their crimes. But that's not going to happen, and anyone with any since knows it. Obama is smart enough not to commit political suicide. I loved Carter, but he was not able to be effective, or at least as effective as he wanted. I despised Johnson, but at least he was able to fulfill what Roosevelt put into motion, and also did more for civil rights than any other president, including Lincoln. I'd say, let Karma take care of the criminals, just as it had to with OJ. Sometimes that's all we get.
Your concluding paragraph is so right on! When all is said and done, that's what's important.
But it's not about political suicide. Our elected officials take an OATH to protect the constitution. It's part of the job. You don't just decide to let criminals walk. Do you know how terrible a precedent this is? We're talking about people who made a policy of using torture. Something we hung people for in Nuremberg. Now, all presidents will have the assumption that they can get away with anything they want. They are now above the law. Bush & co have repeatedly snubbed their noses at our citizens, the congress, the global community. It's disgusting. I cannot support a party that condones this behavior. And that is what the Democrats have now done--they have condoned criminal activity and are now accomplices in it. That is the sad truth. You call Obama an effective president, but I think it is a bit early to say that. When I see him do at least some of the following, I will say he is effective:
roll back the patriot act
bring Bush & co criminals to justice
revert their position on the state secrets thing and repeal the FISA act
enact single payer health care
end the war on drugs
put people back to work
end corporate welfare
stop rewarding companies for outsourcing jobs overseas
repeal NAFTA
remove ourselves from WTO
get rid of the federal reserve and have that become part of the government's functions once again.
Odoco
I think your concern regarding Obama's militarism is well taken. One has to wonder why a person who was considered to be an antiwar candidate seems to be, like so many other American presidents, constantly lauding the troops. Why is not this [alleged] antiwar president not instead praising those in the military like the IVAW who have had the courage to say NO to the illegal and immoral occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq? Those are the ones who deserve to be held in high esteem instead of those who blindly and willfully accept the bellicose orders that they are given by their superiors.
Soldiers- question authority-resist the American empire.
The people who considered Obama as an anti-war candidate are obviously not the brightest bulbs in the bunch. He openly stated during his campaign that he was going to escalate the war in Afghanistan. How is that anti-war?
All may not be well, but the spin is still in high gear.
From disappointment to deception to disgust.
Like the gulf between what the public wants and cares about to government pronoucements of the conventional wisdom, the rift grows increasingly wider.
So, they will prop up Obama for as long as they can, but judging by the first regressive 100 days, the spinning will be winding down to a dizzy twirl.
Obama has said that he needs support from the ground to do anything constructive. Why not take him at his word? I'm as pessimistic as anyone about real change, but before we start shouting gloom and doom, why not take him at his word?
As long as the progressive citizens in this 'democracy' sit on their asses whining and complaining, nothing will change. Even the neo-conservative corporate sponsored Republicans are out there with their little tea parties. Are we going to let them represent us? Is that all Obama will have to listen too? I'm all for starting a violent revolution. I think this is the only way out of this mess. I don't believe this country has ever had the necessary sort of ground-swell revolution against 'landed interests'. But on the other hand, let's see how far Obama is willing to go if we start shouting in his ear. It's worth a try.
I would echo odoco's words and expand a bit in that ,perhaps, Obama gives us hints and ammunition, but in a subtle fashion. The releasing of the torture memos has still made me stop and try to understand why he would do such a thing if he doesnt want to prosecute?
In the end, whether Obama plays a subtle game or not is not relevant to the fact that we the people are responsible for our governance, and we have abrogated that responsibility for far too long.
The time to pressure candidates was during the election. I found it much more easy to vote for a candidate that already had similar views to my own. I started with Kucinich, then went to Gravel and ultimately ended with Nader. I couldn't bring myself to vote for Obama after he voted for:
Patriot Act
FISA with retroactive immunity
or didn't vote at all many times...
Then he said all options were on the table with Iran (nukes).
He sided with the Bush machine with Georgia against Russia (even though Georgia was bombing innocent civilians and running over them with tanks.
He received tons of money from "bundlers".
He didn't support gay marriage (only civil unions).
Wasn't talking about implementing universal single payer (pandering to insurance companies).
Supports faith-based initiatives (against the separation of church and state).
Doesn't support ending the war on drugs.
Sorry, there were just too many negatives for me there. I knew it would turn out this way. But, sure, he's a little better than McCain...
I voted for Ralph Nader too, Debbie. I don't believe he would be an effective politician, but hoped that Obama would see that many people agree with him. I even hoped that Nader might be made into a presidential advisor. But Obama is too much the politician for that. Whatever happens with Obama, you can be sure that he IS a politician.
I totally agree GM. Although I think he could be more effective than you give him credit for. Keep in mind how much progress he has made with consumer protection over the years, which has clearly been an uphill battle.
I agree that Obama is just a politician. At least he's more pleasant to listen to than GW was, but there are so many things he has done I don't agree with. He hasn't named a single progressive to a cabinet position. Not one. He snubbed Howard Dean, who would have been an excellent choice for HHS secretary. He snubbed Kucinich, Nader, Gravel and all the other real progressives.
I hope he can turn things around, but I'm not very encouraged. We should be pursuing single payer health care right now. With soaring unemployment more and more will find themselves in the ranks of the uninsured. The rest of us with jobs are increasingly finding ourselves under-insured. My company just enacted a high deductible insurance plan. It truly sucks. We have the worst health care system in the world compared to all other industrialized nations. But Obama is barely even letting single payer supporters be part of the conversation. He is pandering to insurance companies. The parasites of our society.
He supported the bailouts to banks as well. Giving good money after bad to people who are keeping it for bonuses and pay outs to overseas banks. It all just stinks.
He supports the war on drugs, despite its abject failure by all accounts.
In my mind, he is the status quo. The Democrats are just as bought and paid for as the Republicans now. Sad, but true. I try to vote based on the merits of the candidate, but I'm increasingly getting turned off by the two-party machine.
Maybe it's time for a new party. It looks like the Greens have imploded, sadly.
"Why not take him at his word?"
Because he has shown clearly and repeatedly that he is not a man of his word.
In other words, he is a politician. And he's also a black man who would prefer not to get shot. And he's very smart and has demonstrated in the past that he knows what's what.
"In other words, he is a politician."
Yeah, I can't understand why this surprises so many people. And now they're surprised that he's acting like a politician? Obama is a politician!
What part of "is" don't people get?
I don't like politicians, but as long as there is politics, there will be politicians. Same as there will always be car sales-people in car dealerships. Is this so difficult?
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the rest of your post, just astounded that folks still believe anyone else will go to Washington and act differently. Talk about hope-drunk.
Your reply, if it is meant as a response to my posting, is illogical. Nothing in my reply implied that I ever expected Obama to be honest. I didn't. I viewed him as a shrewd and manipulative politician before the election and I expected him to behave as he is now behaving. That's why I didn't vote for him.
George Markley asked a simple question: "Why not take him at his word?", and I gave a straightforward answer: because he has shown clearly and repeatedly that he is not a man of his word. Your replies to my post indicate that, in fact, neither of you believe that Obama should be taken at his word. You can choose to excuse his lies by saying "In other words, he is a politician", but some of us believe we should demand more from our leaders. You can also convince yourselves that Obama is being forced to renege on past promises because of the threat of assassination, but to me that's just an excuse to avoid holding him to account. He is clearly part of the power structure by choice, and so he doesn't have to worry about being assassinated. Obama is no Martin Luther King, Jr.
John, you can demand all you want, but until you change the political scene in Washington, you are tilting at windmills. That makes for a good book (in Spanish), but doesn't encompass the reality of the situation. We will see what Obama can or cannot do. He must be wily like a fox. You want him to strong arm, like a bear.
True, Martin Luther King was a great man, but he would have made a lousy president.
John, we want the same things. How I wish we had a system where you could be right. Lets work on that.
George:
I am not criticizing your intentions; I respect them.
In my view, the simplest and most direct way that the American people can change the political scene in Washington is to vote the crooks out of office (and to stop voting more of them into office). You may believe that that's not possible, or that it wouldn't work, but since it has never been tried, you can't know whether or not it would work. On the other hand, we as a country have often tried the approach of voting for the lesser of two evils. All the evidence suggests that that approach will continue to lead us down a path of moral corruption and the dissolution of our democracy.
George-
Talk of "violence" is never a good idea. It is much better to talk about CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE.
If the powers that be are as bad as WE say THEY are, then what makes you think violence is going to work?
The only thing that is going to work right now is peaceful demonstrations. And that does not mean you go like sheeps to slaughter.
Does anyone remember the 60's? Sure Jerry Rubin was cool but it was Abbie Hoffman and people like Allen Ginsburg who brought a feeling of hope and revelry to the proceedings.
What good is a revolution if you are not having fun?
What good is enlightenment if you are not enjoying yourself.
If we want the people to lead then we have to be the leaders.
Obama is not our saviour but he is important. Especially for people of color.
He also just might have a conscience.
I agree with you about violence. I just don't see those in power, who will 'do what's necessary', going down without a struggle. And I also agree about Obama's importance as a black president. I'm glad he's smart and capable, and I hope he has a conscience. I hope his conscience will allow him to listen to those who are for progress, as he promised. But we forget that he has to stay president, and he has to stay alive. There are a huge number of bigots in this land who would rather have lynching parties than tea parties.
Right on!
We have taken him at his word to hold him accountable, but those addicted to hope are still in denial.
Holding Obama accountable starts with realization and recognition that he talks a good show and makes minor adjustments, but basically it comes more obvious with each passing hour that he is just an empty actor. Any attempt to hold him accountable is met with evasive rhetoric, lies or the defense that he has no reason to be held in account.
And what do you suggest we do? Attend demonstrations that never get any coverage, organized by groups like ANSWER that are red-baited by so-called progressives, join Code Pink who are sneered at by Socialists? Nader is probably more despised than Bush...Kucincsh is framed as a quack and even those Right-wing protests were scorned by the Left--many of those people have very real grievances that have no avenues of expression--yet here everyone smirks at their attempts to find some way of having their voices heard.
Instead of whining that we should be doing something--why not try to stop sabotaging people's efforts to do just that.
Vern, we haven't even begun to shout yet. And you had better find out who finances these tea parties before you give them credence.
Vern - explain 'sabotage.'
And I am not whining Vern - and in my previous post I stated that until we arrive in 'large enough numbers' which is a far cry from what we have done in the past. And, dare I say, until progressives inundate the primary system and put forward candidates who are not owned, who are educated, and who do have an alternative vision, nothing will change. Both parties control the system because they control the choice process, not to mention the electoral process. Kucinich, Gravel et al weren't even on camera during most of the debates, and both literally begged to be asked questions - that type of systemic behavior is what has to change. No Vern, I don't have all the answers, but I try everyday of my life to make things better, talk to people, ask questions, push, cajole, educate. I really don't think I am working against the cause. Quite the opposite.
It remains a most relevant point that those who voted O'Bamba into the oval orifice essentially gave themselves an opportunity to push him and if they don't now seize that opportunity, they've squandered their vote. If they fail to push him, they ultimately reveal loyalty to elites and submission to elite rule. They might have voted for Nader which would cause elites to fear disruption of voter reliability in the next election, and respond accordingly.
rtdrury-
Yeah, the elites would have shaken in their boots if the million or so progressives who were on the fence would have voted for Nader.
Oh yeah, I forgot, they could have voted for McKinney as well. Great, split third party.
Maybe people were scared of Palins fingers near the button. But to you and the other "I will campaign for Nader by yelling at anyone" brigade probably brought more harm than good to the proceedings. You scared as many people off third parties as you did to support them.
I wish I could be an idealist but unlike you and your 'Nader or die' cohorts I take responsibility for my community and country no matter who I voted for.
If this pisses you off good. Maybe you will get you and your other friends who are lucky to have a good education and have to time to just complain about the status quo to do something about it besides voting for Nader every four years.
What is going on with third parties dude? What ideas do you have to further the progressive cause besides bashing Obama and telling everyone here if they voted for Nader things would be better. If everyone man, woman and monkey on Cd voted for Nader it would have given him and us nothing.
Any info? Seriously. I am as desperate as you are but I choose to go down fighting. And that does not mean cowering in my bunker with a machine gun. Metaphorically or otherwise.
I think this is a bit unfair of a commentary. The Obama voters were the ones shouting at Nader voters, quite honestly. No one was listening when we told Obama voters that they should look at his voting record. I was told, point blank, that if I didn't vote for Obama, it was a vote for McCain. We were called fringe and I have repeatedly seen people refer to Nader as being egotistical. I didn't start out supporting Nader. Never voted for him before. In fact, I considered myself a Democrat until this past election. Well, actually just after 2006 when Pelosi declared Impeachment off the table. They lost me after that. And I realized what they really are: corporate lackeys. There are exceptions, of course. I love Kucinich. If he was the nominee, he would have received my vote. But he dropped out too soon and encouraged people to vote for Obama, which was really sad for me. So then I supported Gravel. Yet another Democrat who the mainstream media deemed to be "the crazy uncle in the attic". Seriously. I studied up on him after Kucinich dropped out. I learned what incredible contributions the man has made in his lifetime and he earned my support. He clearly wants to put the power in the people's hands with his National Initiative. But then he lost the Libertarian ticket when Barr and his crew took over the convention. Again, pretty sad. I will continue to vote with my heart, for the candidate that most closely represents MY beliefs. I prefer to pick one that has the most similar beliefs up front rather than fighting the uphill battle that is trying to make a candidate act the way you think they should. I knew it would be that with Obama. I don't hate the man. Honestly. But I saw him for what he was during the campaign. He's a centrist at best. He's not a progressive. I don't care what the right wing media says he is. I saw his voting record. I heard what he said during debates and interviews. Stop maligning all Nader voters. We are not all alike, just like all Obama voters are not all alike.
Debbie-
While I have the utmost respect for you and your post I am speaking directly to rtdrury and some of his friends here.
I am not admonishing you or other reasonable third party voters here. If you look at rtdrury's post you will see that he seems to be referring to the fact that because he voted for Nader he is excluded from joining in to push Obama.
People like him here think that they are doing third parties a service by yelling at people who voted for Obama. Many people all over the country reluctantly voted for Obama for seemingly more important tactical issues. One of which might have been some crazy idea of keeping a woman like Palin out of higher office.
I got into it over and over again with the same tired explanation that if I voted for Obama I was guilty of everything he would do.
I don't want to get into it again but if you are honest about furthering the third party movement as I am then I would suggest that you help bring people into identifying with third parties and admonish people who you might see hurting third parties by adding to the caricature of holier than thou enlightened ones.
Fair enough.
I do think that the establishment makes it really hard for third parties to gain traction. Not just because of image but because of the ridiculous hurdles that they have to go through to get on the ballot in most states while Republicans and Democrats are guaranteed a place at the table each time. Then there is the added fact that the states have to foot the bill for primaries for the Dems and Reps but third parties have to fund their own separate conventions to choose their general election candidates. The major parties have created laws specifically to make it more difficult for third parties and independents.
Above and beyond the party mentality, I think we all have a right to an even playing field for anyone that wants to run for office (at any level). All these ridiculous and arbitrary rules for everyone outside of the major parties are really hurting OUR choices for selecting the best individual for the job.
Debbie-
The laws are terrible, I agree. I am here looking for ways to confront the abuse of power which is all around us.
Right now I believe we should concentrate on building on the Obama movement and utilize the energy and good will that has stemmed from that. Whether it is to put pressure on the Democrats or organize around third parties, we need to get as many people into an Umbrella Group to use to put pressure on our politicians.
It doesn't have to be a new group, it could be a way for all the small groups to join together more forcefully.
The problem right now is that there are many people who want to give Obama a chance. Then there is the triangulation with the election always on the back burner. If we take too many votes from the Dems then a worse Rep will get in office. It is a game that we have to think outside the box to win.
It has been the same old story now since any of us can remember.
We have no excuse now. We are awake. We have the internet. We have places like CD to express new ideas.
I would love to hear any of your ideas on how to change things. Even just links to what you are talking about above.
I think way too many of us, and that includes me sometimes, spend too much time complaining and not enough organizing and talking tactics.
Huffpost is trying to start a 'citizen journalist' movement.
At a minimum though we have to keep things positive. Not sappy, just constructive, most of the time. It is time for us to get to work, not just proving how smart we all are.
Peace
I agree that Obama has sparked a movement, but I wonder how much of that movement he will continue to lose as he nominates right-wing people to his cabinet positions and refuses to take a real stand on prosecuting the Bush administration. I think a lot of people were thinking he was really going to clean house when he is just as much a part of the machine as anyone else in government these days.
Try this one:
www.ballot-access.org
or
www.independentpoliticalreport.com
They have some great information about minor party goings ons.
As far as what we can do, I have to say I really believe Mike Gravel was right on this one. Representative government will NOT fix itself. The only way to get our government back to the business of governing and not fascism, which is what we now have, is to vote for the National Initiative. www.vote.org. Yes, I know there have been some bad ballot initiatives (like Prop 8 in CA). Although, I really do believe Prop 8 will get overturned because ultimately it's not constitutional. It violates the equal protection clause. I trust the majority of the public to make the right choices for the most part (way more so than our elected officials). Everyone here should take a look at www.vote.org and consider voting for this. If we get enough votes, it will become a constitutional amendment.
I see both "sides" of this 3rd party after-thinking of the 2008 vote.
DISCLAIMER : I voted for Cynthia McKinney
Please conside that in hindsight, that the populous expression of dismay over the lost $hrubi$h decade, had yet to reach the necessary cumulation ( for whatever reason of apathy, PSYOPS propaganda, or entrenched beliefs ).
Belief that the existence of a half-ass and ineffective 3rd party would negatively impact the election was re-enforced from 2000 [s]election, regardless if true. Blamming Nadar is just wrong and an artifical channeled reaction -- manufactured consensus is winning.
Whatever happened to write-in candidate elections ?
What we have today is the realization that Americans have yet to reach that point, where they massively give up on the pathocrats ( either Dems or Repuklicans ). What we need for that massive counter-reaction to occur, is exactly what we have today in ◎, which will indubitably open more doors into an unprecedented future.
I beleive strongly that the power brokers gave us this ridiculous choice ( Palin was Pathetic ), to steer the vote and to assuage widespread feelings of powerlessness against the neoCONing gov't and banksters.
It was a choice, and we're better off with ◎ -- but it wasn't a fair choice representative of actual American beliefs and issues.
The greater the contrast and the starker the reality -- the more likely we will reach that tipping point to awken the sleeping beast of popular outrage.
We must continue and PERSEVERE -- the future is ours for the taking
Namaste
True , it was in response to you, but it really wasn't directed to you.
George - I believe you are correct. Until the progressive-minded folks actually hit the streets in large numbers Obama is not forced, or given the opportunity to legislatively react to our demands. Politics is simply pressure applied at the right time and the right spot - and we haven't done that. Just a thought though, are the masses in this country so poorly educated as to not truly understand what is at stake here? And, if so, is that what the Republican / investment class knows, controls, and takes advantage of? And again, if true, how can we educate the masses so they react intellectually and not emotionally?
To me, those are key. When we find the answer we will be able to control a government in truly democratic fashion. If we can't do that, we are headed rapidly for at least a soft fascism, maybe worse.
"Am I concerned about those who for one reason or another can't afford shelter or food or health care or an education? Or am I concerned about myself and how far up the 'ladder' I can climb and how much wealth I can accumulate?" I've always thought the difference between those 'masses' that seem to be in thrall to the monied (fascist) elements and those labeled progressive is one of basic perspective. I don't think it's a matter of ignorance. I've met very poor people who are self educated, kind, generous, etc. and I've met college graduates who are the most selfish asses on the planet. Then there is a group in the United States who give up their reason to religion and let evangelists and those of their ilk scare them and manipulate them with words like abortionist (=child killer) and communist or socialist (=godless dictator), and immigrant hordes (=inhuman roaches) and gay (=degenerate family destroyer). As long as these monsters use phraseology such as 'born again', and 'washed in the blood' their followers will follow no matter what. My family falls into that category, so I know all about THAT. Anyway, I'm foolish enough to believe that appealing to people's 'better nature' will work wonders. I also believe that eventually it will come down to violence. Those who rule us won't give it up easily. We have to get rid of the 'what's in it for me' attitude and those who profit from it.
Oh, and I believe we are already in a soft fascism, and have just left eight years of worse. Answer truthfully, when have you ever felt in control?
I call the time and place to apply pressure with the maximum results --------- THE FULCRUM MOMENT
GF-
If that is yours, well done.
I love CRITICAL MASS too.
I enjoy relating the natural sciences to society as a whole. Very Tao. Transcendental.
I hope many people realize we could be in for a bumpy ride though.
I think 2012 is going to be more intense than 2000. I think the religious ho-humdementalists are going to want to jump on board the 2012 movement and take it over.
I think that a New Testament religious movement has to spring out of the Christian Church to counteract the religious wrong.
We must all be ready to press on the levers of peace and justice at the Fulcrum Moment.
Namaste.
More illustrative than critical mass or the accumulation of neutron producing items, which is merely the explosive bomb model of expanding " change " when the correct pieces are brought together,
I prefer the quantum mechanism of
Light Amplification through Stimulated Emission of Radiation ( L A S E R ),
which replies upon the operation and creation of a "population inversion". Here's the idea stretched to include masses of people ( as if they were each quantum states of matter ) :
(1.) The population is initially at a nominal "temperature", and nothing happens for want of an extreme enough triggering event.
(2.) Some thing "pumps" the energy states upward, and the temperature overall gradually rises ( but is really only incidental ) of population. This can not be easily seen, as the majority are clueless to an incremental 'raising the frog water' situation. This is in some ways an emergent phenomenon, and doesn't match the usual top down organization of the hierarchy.
(3.) Now within that unstable inverted population ( as its temperature is upside down compared with nominal reality ), there occurs an avalanch effect of an initial burst of quantum states ( people ) all dropping back to reality.
But because they were all channeled into a single unstable state, they all tend to react together in a "stimulated emission" or radiation in a coherent manner, as a LASER all lasing together.
(4.) The crucial distuinction of a laser beam of light compared to nominal light ( however bright ), is that it is phased all together peak and troughs -- at a single frequency -- so that the light intensity is amplified and magnified to extreme levels.
WHOOOSE & POOF,
change happens when enough people are pumped up, and cohere together -- which is then going to cause an avalanche of devastation when the rest of the crowd comes along for the fun of it. Some experts modeling chaotic systems, beleive that the massive overall transistion -- can occur when as few as 5 % of people become coherent ( spiritually and consciously aligned ).
Namaste
Never marry your candidate. Though I voted and caucused for Obama, it was in fear of First Dude wandering the White House with personel files under his arm. I mean, what kind of choice was that? My candidate, Edwards, flames out philandering with a flakey campaign aide. Collectively we need to realize that money rules this system, as we now see the ruling class is emptying out the remains of our wealth to cover their gambling debts. A real movement with ideas and thinking people would be nice. No more of this thinking that one person will change our course. That's nice for dictatorships, shouldn't be considered in a democracy.
What's really disturbing about this administration, is it's response to the FISA lawsuits. Their term "sovereign immunity" in response to violating our rights. We had a revolution to throw off a sovereign. And poof, what do you know, we have another one.
There goes yet another campaign promise down the drain. Secretary of Defense Gates who presumably speaks for the President because he has discussed the issue with him said that ending "don't ask, don't tell" of our armed forces will be difficult and take years. He did not say how many years.
All of this is a warning for enthusiastic Obama supporters in 2012. If you believe anything he promises you during that campaign will be severely disappointed again.
It is increasingly becoming evident that Mr. Obama was merely a hot-air spewing demagogue during the 2008 campaign.
Furthermore, his "advice" to Cuba to "straighten out" (i. e. a change WE but not necessarily the Cuban people can believe in!) before all Americans can travel there and before Obama can lift the sanctions is ludicrous. Mexicans obviously don't accept his arrant nonsense. Mexicans can travel legally wherever they want to in the world and despise our Cuban sanctions.
Suppose you are a "hard working Cuban" who takes a look at the USA. Would you want what we have? No health insurance or exorbitantly expensive health insurance? Six million unemployed, a number that is rising? Retirement pensions devastated? Home foreclosed? I am not so sure.
The sanctions on Cuba are now a collective punishment of a nation that does not threaten us. I believe that collective punishment is illegal under international law but so is torture which Mr. Obama also ignores.
The hopelessly hopesick should ask themselves if the man they cheered for when he came up the ranks is the same guy who now is in office. If he is, then they have been wilfully fooling themselves. It is of course possible that the bright young advocate of hope from the fall of 2007 attracted the attention of Wall Street when it was looking for someone to beat the too unpredictable and progressive deemed Hillary Clinton and that before he took their money they spelled it out to him loud and clear what it means to become chairman of the empire. Welcome to the machine.
In what Bizarro universe would Hillary be considered progressive?
q
we all know hillary went to europe to defend bush missiles aimed at russia - but we don't know the logic behind the bush-hillary-obama endeviour / in counties like poland you have american businesses with polish leaders as minor shareholders, in russia businesses are russian with americans as minor shareholdes - the missiles will not change that but in political world symbols account for much
...amoungst her DLC corporate corupted "Democratic" associates she is noticably more progressive.
...amoungst her christofascist heretic "The Family" associates she is freakishly more progressive.
...amoungst Bursten Marseller's $atanic client list she
stands out as more progressive.
...generally if a progressive cause means more power for her, without much downside, she can be counted as "more progressive".
So, by her "bizarro universe" right-wing associations she can actually think she is a progressive.
"In what Bizarro universe would Hillary be considered progressive?"
In the Bizarro World of progressive groups, apparently.
The following are polls from progressive groups, rating Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, on how often they vote for progressive issues.
Clinton Vs. Barack Obama (progressivepunch)
Overall Progressive Score: 92% 90%
Aid to Less Advantaged People at Home and Abroad: 98% 97%
Corporate Subsidies 100% N/A
Education, Humanities and the Arts 88% 100%
Environment 92% 100%
Fair Taxation 97% 100%
Family Planning 88% 80%
Government Checks on Corporate Power 95% 97%
Healthcare 98% 94%
Housing 100% 100%
Human Rights & Civil Liberties 82% 77%
Justice for All: Civil and Criminal 94% 91%
Labor Rights 91% 91%
Making Government Work for Everyone, Not Just the Rich or Powerful 94% 90%
War and Peace 80% 86%
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011142.php
to be progressive in the united states is an oxymoron
morons are not progressive at all - they are just morons
as chomsky says, the terms used in american politics are meaningless, as is every facet of life in the states
left - right only applies to shoes in corporate america where people are so pathetic they think that no health care is a good thing, ponzy scheme banks are the soup du jour
corporate media and illiterate sheeple
progressive indeed.....
not
...but this is a reflection of VOTES. Meaning: already watered down compromise legislation that actually made it to the Senate floor. That makes it all very relative. How many truly progressive pieces of legislation did either of them actually write, sponsor, or co-sponsor?
Even more troubling to ponder: How many truly progressive initiatives did Obama and Clinton help water down until they were anything but?
All you've accomplished it to point out that Hillary may be considered more progressive than Obama, who has demonstrated that he is not progresssive at all. Both are primarily political opportunists.
One may reasonable argue that Richard Nixon was more progressive than George W. Bush. That argument would not make Nixon a progressive.
q
Yeah, this old Indian geezer thought you might have all the problems of your Nation solved today but I wasn't placing any bets in Vegas upon that such thing.
Life is good. What an experience! It's always best to forgive.
I believe that the "movement" to which Ms. Klein refers, the one supposedly grown up and enabled by the candidacy of Barack Obaama, was doomed from the first. A coalition of first time activists, first time voters and those who were reacting more to an aversion to the eight years of Bush than to any real enlightened words of candidate Obama were simply grasping at straws.
I suspect that there were few folks in this for the long haul, and I believe that, once the perfidity of Obama's chosen course becomes clear, most will return to the alienation and ennui that marks most of America's electorate.
As long as we the people believe we need to find heroes we will overlook where the real power resides, in all of us.
I am soo sorry that anyone thought that Obama was the second coming or could walk on water. I voted for him with a clear head. He has not backtracked on anything he has said if you were really paying attention to what he said. He has and still does speak carefully with intent and deliberation. I think most people are smart enough to know that. He is not perfect he is just a man. He is at least being proactive and open. If you can do better then do it or get out of the way or move away I don't care Obama did not invent the word or its meaning. I hope you get that.
I agree with red rick that the real power resides with us the voter. That was and still is Obama's position and rallying cry. As far as hope goes we all need it especially when things are the way they are. Hope is a verb and it requires action on our part for it to succeed . If Obama is allowed to be trivialized for getting people to hope we are lost , or that he is untrustworthy as Red Rick suggests then I say to you look in the mirror and see the person who is fooling who. Most often people like Red here have the depth of a sheet of paper and for that I pity them.
>>As long as we the people believe we need to find heroes we will overlook where the real power resides, in all of us
Its the Messiah syndrome. No matter how bad iit gets if you just WAIT long enough the Son of God will come down to save it all.
Red Rick: "I believe that the "movement" to which Ms. Klein refers, the one supposedly grown up and enabled by the candidacy of Barack Obaama, was doomed from the first. A coalition of first time activists, first time voters and those who were reacting more to an aversion to the eight years of Bush than to any real enlightened words of candidate Obama were simply grasping at straws."
And yet in the great land there exists no person nor just cause better able to conform a collective of "real power" than this?
Red Rick: "As long as we the people believe we need to find heroes we will overlook where the real power resides, in all of us."
AND, Amendment X provides a constitutionally viable vehicle for us to organize and express that power. Without channeling that "real power" for a socially meaningful purpose it means nothing.
So, what now? Exceptionally valid points, but what's the point? Are we to babble and impress ourselves with intellect and insight, or are we seeking to achieve something real?
Cosmobilly-
Here Here!
RedRick-
I beseech you! Is it not of a hypocritical and unctuous nature to resoundingly denounce a movement erstwhile offering nary a scance of constructive dialogue and when called out on this inaustere and unauspicious act has the copernicus to fret about willy and nilly as to his perniciousness?
I see Cosmobilly as asking for "more hip and less lip."
Right on cosmobilly! Hey! Why did you cancel your tour, man?
lol
You think they're ready for what we got? It takes a lot to put together something so spectacular that everyone's gotta be part, to experience a thing so inspiring and liberating it changes your world, forever, that you want to make sure, you want to know they're ready, to soar with you, you know? And that you're ready, so you don't disappoint. It's all in the timing you know. That's really really important. The timing has be right.
CB-
Right on!
You make a good point though. The revolution has to be fun and it has to be for everyone. I just hope we are ready when the time comes.
Peace
I am sorry that you believe we all babble pointlessly here. You are certainly entitled to your opinion of course. I see these sorts of forums as places wherein people can understand that we are not as alone as we believe ourselves to be, not as isolated, not as unique in our views as the media makes us out to be either.
Perhaps some do use posts as substitutes for actions, perhaps others use them to reinforce their will to find others with like minds and take positive actions within their own communities. Perhaps posts like yours are really counterproductive? They certainly make a point you are not entitled to assume; that everyone here is doing nothing.
great writers such as Klein, often have to write retarded ...for certain forums. the Nation is an example.
a 'great magazine'.....since the only alternative is time, newsweek etc....but a magazine filled with homilies, and hopes, and no substance of real libertarian, left action. Take their foolish 'labor' issues yearly. Somehow, conservative pro imperialist, non democratic, even death squad supporting, unions are going to 'lead us' to change!
But the 'obama-ities' was a thin fringe of the corporatist democratic party. Most people were happy for the change from the
guy that couldn't form a sentence. There were really few 'first time activists'.....just people that 'hoped' and 'hoped'...
If we all got to work, and did our own free newspapers in all our cities and burbs, we might get some real
militant bottom up organizing going. this reliance on blogs and the net is pathetic. do you all know only about 20% of the entire population actually looks at this stuff, left and right? Do you all know what 'income level' actually discusses on these forums..for the most part?
Get your heads out of the brainwashed 'new age' carrot and stick head up butt,
and realize it's face to face democracy and tangible hand, metaphorical fist, to the people, with papers, action, and organizing, that works...
occupy, resist, and produce.
and that takes millions.
and it don't happen by typing...or networking with complete strangers.
we are human beings. we need to be face to face and demand direct democracy from each other. There will be no authoritarian marxist solutions....only the peoples solutions.
we will build loyalty and militant mass groups......only by doing that.....which is HUMAN and social.
you cant stop a juggernaught by typing on a laptop.
Ho hum.
Amazing isn't it--the Right that considers itself lackluster compared to the Left's ability to organize online, patted itself for it's recent success at online organizing.
Shoot, it ain't the organizing medium--it is the forces that demand people act and then when they do, redbait them (ANSWER), mock them (Code Pink), sneer at them (Keith Olberman at the G20 protestors)or refuse to recognize that many of those on the Right share common ground when it comes to class issues. And class is what it all comes down to.
Vern,
Right on! We need an umbrella organization. One that is bypartisan. Maybe it could be called just People For Peace. People Campaigning for Peace. PCP. That is a good acronym.
I know. Olbermann sucks but I think he is getting pressured too. I think it would be his death, maybe even literally if he sided with the protesters.
At least the right can compromise on some issues unlike the left. You know the joke.
I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said “Stop! Don’t do it!” “Why shouldn’t I?” he said. “Well, there’s so much to live for!” “Like what?” “Well… are you religious?” He said yes. I said, “Me too! Are you Christian or Buddhist?” “Christian.” “Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant ? “Protestant.” “Me too! Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?” “Baptist” “Wow! Me too! Are you Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord?” “Baptist Church of God!” “Me too! Are you original Baptist Church of God, or are you reformed Baptist Church of God?” “Reformed Baptist Church of God!” “Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915?” He said, “Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915!” I said, “Die, heretic scum”, and pushed him off. (Emo Philips)
Here's an example of where Olbermann rocks !
Video - Special Comment to President Obama, You're Wrong on Torture - Prosecutions - U.S. future depends on torture accountability
See
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/182130-Video-Special-Comment-to-President-Obama-You-re-Wrong-on-Tort...
or see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTLi7j0T9HQ&feature=player_embedded
Namaste
Exactly Red Rick! How do we push hope up is the question. I believe we do it by aggressively participating in the emerging green culture of sustainability. The old culture is collapsing and the new culture must be in place to supplant it. More of a sustainable less is needed.
OBAMANOMICS: FATTEN THE RICH, STARVE THE POOR, SMILE REAL PRETTY !
"As long as we the people believe we need to find heroes we will overlook where the real power resides, in all of us."
Right on Rick!!!!......
Great points, Red Rick, especially the last.
At nearly 54, I no longer look to anyone to significantly change things. I vote strategically, as I did for Obama, not for a fix, but for the best chance. With Obama, that's what I got. Were the world a more rational place, perhaps Kucinich or Nader or someone else might have gotten in and made real progress, but that is not the world we have. We have a world of vastly conflicting interests and we are destined to careen along until something big forces us to change dramatically.
I still hope that this will have fired up some young people. I know most will go back to living their everyday lives, as we all do, but I believe some will stay with it long enough to make their mark.
"As long as we the people believe we need to find heroes we will overlook where the real power resides, in all of us."
I would add that the real power also resides in _each_ of us. We tend to fight this until we are in a corner and realize that no one else can do this for us.
Though we do not share a common political goal I believe we share a common respect. I might not agree with what you posit but I must respect the manner in which you conduct yourself here.
I believe ( speaking of not sharing) that your reliance upon the status quo, voting as you do for the one who seems to give the best shot at your own goals, is a false reliance on a system gone rancid with greed and self interest. It will never give you the results you seek I fear. If we share a goal at all, and I believe that we both do want the best for our nation and our world, we must look to ways to reign in our politicians to once again reflect the wishes and best interests of the people . You do know, by the by, that President Obama just hedged his bets on stem cell lines dont you? Had to add that considering that stem cell research is really in the best interests of us all.
Today I heard, on my local NPR affiliate, a debate about whether Wall Street or the Federal Govt. was most responsible for the current economic dilemma. It was conducted by some some real heavyweights, including one of my favorite economists, Dr. Doom, Nouriel Roubini, the guy who not only predicted this entire scenario over two years ago but who is responsible for my turning my investment portfolio around in time to avoid disaster when my usual guy was preaching roses and profits. I made out he did not!
What do you think?
I'm not sure we're that far off, Rick.
While I voted for Obama, I too realize that the system is broken. My only other choice would have been to have not voted, as any other president would have walked into the same broken system.
I am doing several things to uncouple myself from this system. While this is not entirely possible, it is the only way I can see to rationally deal with what is going on. I do what I can and hope others are doing the same.
I hadn't heard about the stem cell deal. If Obama does go back on his word, it's another black mark against him. However, as bad as he seems, he is dealing in another universe. Not necessarily a good or pretty universe, but one that the rest of us don't live in. I don't like the deal and I think it's bad, but nobody going in there, not even Nader nor Kucinich nor J.C. himself could do a whole lot there. They would all be crucified.
As far as Roubini - I've heard him some. I also like what Peter Schiff said: "Economics - the science of satisfying unlimited demand with limited resources." Doesn't leave much room for improving things, does it? I get this. I do. This system is unsustainable. Again, I get back to the point you made: It's up to us to save ourselves and our country. There are as many ways as there are people who realize this. Politics is the least effective way, but it still plays a role and one that I will use to the best advantage possible. I don't like it. I don't agree with it. I don't hold out much hope for politics to address our concerns. But I won't be dumb enough to make things worse. And there is one thing I have come to understand: Things can always be worse!
A Shawfest
"If all economists were laid end to end, they couldn't reach a conclusion."
"The reasonable man adapts to his surroundings, the unreasonable man attempts to change his surroundings to suit himself; and all progress depends upon the unreasonable man."
G.B.Shaw
You and I, madcow, share a view that things are not going well. But you seem to put forth an individualistic intent that isolates I fear, and one that leads to no solutions. I seek ways to come together and retake the power that is ours by right.
You have no idea what I do, Rick.
By your response and puerile name-calling, I see that you are not part of the solution.
How did you cmne to see that post as name-calling? Did I strike a nerve? Unintentional I would assure you. Perhaps you might reexamine your anger in light of the entire exchange and begin to wonder where the anger and insult appeared?
You are an advocate here for small steps and working within the system, are you not? I am not, that was the only intent of that post....What name did I call you?
"Perhaps you might reexamine your anger in light of the entire exchange and begin to wonder where the anger and insult appeared?"
Have I seemed angry? If so, it wasn't my intent. Other than being a little miffed at a perceived slur, I had no anger whatsoever. In fact, I agreed with some of what you wrote and said so. Did you perceive anger because I didn't agree 100 percent?
If others saw my words as anger, I'd love to hear about it. It's hard to convey feelings in words (for me, anyway), and I'm open to constructive criticism and suggestions.
Not to belabor this , hopefully closed, subject but this is what I (mis)took for anger:
"By your response and puerile name-calling, I see that you are not part of the solution."
mea culpa, mea maxima culpa
I think it was a typo. You called him "madcow" instead of markow.
Shit!
There is a poster by that name here, thus why believe it a perjorative? I gotta stop posting at 3AM.
No slur intended, just an exhibition of increasing senility on my part.
Okay, intent understood.
See, the thing is, I was originally agreeing with you. At least, the part about the people having the power. Maybe I mistook what you were saying. Maybe you didn't intend to say that the power really lies with us, and maybe we veered off from that point on.
I have thought of our "discussion" and others, and still come to the same conclusion: It is up to us as individuals and as a people to right the wrongs. Yes, others were at fault, but no one is totally blameless. There are no pure innocents in life. We each carry responsibility to act, or at least, to speak out.
In another post, I compared us, the people, as being abused. As in any abusive relationship, there is the abuser and the abused. The worst thing that the abused can believe is that s/he has no power and no chance to change the situation. The best thing, and something that those who help abused people know, is that the abused need to know that they have the power to get out, or at least, to get help.
In our current situation, the abusers are the elite classes and the politicians. We, the people, are the abused. So, what are we to do? Keep begging our abusers to stop? Demand it? Fine, but prepare for a beating.
I have been called trite for repeating my belief that we have the power to stop this. We actually do, because we are the ones with the purchasing power. We can still NOT buy things that the elite create and we can still get together with others and form alternatives. This can still be done, but times are changing quickly and it may not be so easy in the future. If we keep thinking that we can persuade those in power to stop being greedy, power-hungry bastards, then we are screwed. What does it matter who is right when someone's foot is on your throat?
We must fight back. I don't mean they, or them, or those over there - you and I, Rick. People hate to believe that it's up to them, but that's the way it is. Doesn't matter who's fault all this is, it's still up to us to change things. After all, aren't we supposed to be in control? Let's stop being abused.
P.S. In the interest of "specifics", I have organized a permaculture group in my town. We started as a handful just 6 months ago and now have over 50 members. I am also part of a Transition Towns movement in my town. I am also part of another group that has met for over two years and we support each other and help each other and have bought bulk food together and share each other's gardens and lives. And other community-forming activities, but that's enough. Hardly "individualistic intent that isolates". No, by taking power into my own hands, and realizing that it's up to me to do things to improve my world, I have gone from wishing, to intent, to action. None of this is done by demanding anything from my abusers. It's done by growing up and getting off my ass.
I am so happy to see you a gracious and forgiving man, Mr. Markow ( see I CAN do it), I would apologise for mistaking you for another poster, (madcow) but I respect his work as much as I do your own so there really was no intent to insult.
This post of yours is both eloquent and perceptive and I applaud you for your thoughts and your efforts as enumerated. You stated, in an earlier effort, that we were not far apart politically, and now I fully agree with that assessment in that we are allies in seeking the same goals .
The one area in which we may differ is in my belief that our system must be changed , dramatically, and that continuing to work within it only perpetuates that system. I believe that third party politics is the only peaceful way to overturn the entrenched power of the Duopoly. I am in agreement that those who continue to work within that system are also following their conscience and seeking similar conclusions. It is a two front war we fight.
I look forward to reading more of your efforts as well as, hopefully, progress reports on your local work.
"The one area in which we may differ is in my belief that our system must be changed , dramatically, and that continuing to work within it only perpetuates that system. I believe that third party politics is the only peaceful way to overturn the entrenched power of the Duopoly."
But see, Rick, we're still in agreement.
I know the system is broken. Therefore, what would a third or fourth or fifth party do within the same broken system?
For the record: I am an independent after having been both a Democrat and a Green. As a Green, I saw great sentiments and ideas, but the actual implementation (such as it was) came around the same ego-based personalities and into the same broken system. Had Nader or McKinney won, we would be in a state of chaos now. While in theory chaos is interesting, in everyday life, it is hell. I don't want chaos.
Obama will not fix the system - he is part of it. But, so are you and I. It is a two-front war we fight, but I see it this way: We live in two worlds - the one we presently exist in, and the one we want to see come to fruition. While we can look to the future, the work is done in the present. It was going to be either Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin. That's the world we are in now. I prefer Obama/Biden knowing full well that they will disappoint. But, part of life is dealing with disappointment and working through it. And that's the key: Not letting disappointment stop our good work!
I have never come down on anyone for voting their conscience - that's what I did. I voted for Nader in 2000 (and have been accused of helping Bush win - c'est la vie). In 2008, my conscience told me to vote for Obama.
One thing that I have come to understand is that there are vastly conflicting needs and desires amongst any population, especially one as individualistic as ours. While I see my points as valid, so does the other side. Doesn't mean I like it or will sit passively as it unfolds, but I respect others at least enough to empathize with their desires and needs. I believe, for all his shortcomings, Obama gets this. That's why I voted for him. And, having done that, my work is here, where my nose leaves off and the rest of the world begins. The real work of change begins with me.
Well, enough. Hopefully this can be a learning moment for all of us on CD. So often I see folks here talking past each other, getting mired in the details of poorly written ideas, when actually our ideals are very similar. I hope (uh-oh, there's that word again) that we can have enough patience with each other to ask for clarification before jumping on each other. I will try to keep this in mind (and not post at 3:00 AM)....smiling.
If I were a bit brighter ( well a whole lot brighter actually) I might envision a nonviolent way to alter the existing system in a peaceful fashion that does not involve the insertion of third party and independent candidates, those pledged to avoid the curse of corporate money in politics.
I do not see our new president as an evil man, I think, as you so eruditely noted, that he does see the problems and , as far smarter than am I , he works in ways I do not fathom to bring about change the only way he can. Of course I cannot fit his cabinet appointments into this scenario, but what is one to do?
If we continue to build our third party presence we might see a scenario in which progressive agendas might be forced to the fore through the necessity of acquiring a voting bloc to push legislation. Thus both GOP and Democratic legislators would be forced to acknowledge such items as IRV, a political campaign run solely on govt money and forced media cooperation in giving candidates air and print time, perhaps even an end to lobbying and second careers as such by our elected officials.
I cast about most desperately for peaceful corrections to our growing problems of disenfranchisement and the growing power of the few in decision making at the expense of the needs of the many. I cannot wrap my mind about voting for those who are successful in our current system, as they are all to easily malleable in order to be successful.
We're all doing good and necessary work here. You do it in your way, I do it in mine. We're all necessary and each contribute in our own ways.
I hope whoever is left to read this remembers that there are many ways of affecting change. Even if it's a third party or any other political way or even extra political, it's still valid. We should all remember that there is no one right way to work for change, and the many ways that we are all working at it is necessary. There may be different tactics, but if the goal of working for a better world is true, we're doing good work.
Cheers for doing what you do.
As someone once said to me,
Embrace the changes and learn from them -- as fortuitously along that path -- is wisdom
Namaste
"... for the best chance. With Obama, that's what I got."
You're still hopedrunk.