The Problem of Cheap Oil
Be Careful What You Wish For
Only yesterday, it seems, we were bemoaning the high price of oil. Under the headline "Oil's Rapid Rise Stirs Talk of $200 a Barrel This Year," the July 7 issue of the Wall Street Journal warned that prices that high would put "extreme strains on large sectors of the U.S. economy." Today, oil, at over $40 a barrel, costs less than one-third what it did in July, and some economists have predicted that it could fall as low as $25 a barrel in 2009.
Prices that low -- and their equivalents at the gas pump -- will no doubt be viewed as a godsend by many hard-hit American consumers, even if they ensure severe economic hardship in oil-producing countries like Nigeria, Russia, Iran, Kuwait, and Venezuela that depend on energy exports for a large share of their national income. Here, however, is a simple but crucial reality to keep in mind: No matter how much it costs, whether it's rising or falling, oil has a profound impact on the world we inhabit -- and this will be no less true in 2009 than in 2008.
The main reason? In good times and bad, oil will continue to supply the largest share of the world's energy supply. For all the talk of alternatives, petroleum will remain the number one source of energy for at least the next several decades. According to December 2008 projections from the U.S. Department of Energy (DoE), petroleum products will still make up 38% of America's total energy supply in 2015; natural gas and coal only 23% each. Oil's overall share is expected to decline slightly as biofuels (and other alternatives) take on a larger percentage of the total, but even in 2030 -- the furthest the DoE is currently willing to project -- it will still remain the dominant fuel.
A similar pattern holds for the planet as a whole: Although biofuels and other renewable sources of energy are expected to play a growing role in the global energy equation, don't expect oil to be anything but the world's leading source of fuel for decades to come.
Keep your eye on the politics of oil and you'll always know a lot about what's actually happening on this planet. Low prices, as at present, are bad for producers, and so will hurt a number of countries that the U.S. government considers hostile, including Venezuela, Iran, and even that natural-gas-and-oil giant Russia. All of them have, in recent years, used their soaring oil income to finance political endeavors considered inimical to U.S. interests. However, dwindling prices could also shake the very foundations of oil allies like Mexico, Nigeria, and Saudi Arabia, which could experience internal unrest as oil revenues, and so state expenditures, decline.
No less important, diminished oil prices discourage investment in complex oil ventures like deep-offshore drilling, as well as investment in the development of alternatives to oil like advanced (non-food) biofuels. Perhaps most disastrously, in a cheap oil moment, investment in non-polluting, non-climate-altering alternatives like solar, wind, and tidal energy is also likely to dwindle. In the longer term, what this means is that, once a global economic recovery begins, we can expect a fresh oil price shock as future energy options prove painfully limited.
Clearly, there is no escaping oil's influence. Yet it's hard to know just what forms this influence will take in the year. Nevertheless, here are three provisional observations on oil's fate -- and so ours -- in the year ahead.
1. The Price of Oil Will Remain Low Until It Begins to Rise Again: I know, I know: this sounds totally inane. It's just that there's no other way to put it. The price of oil has essentially dropped through the floor because, in the past four months, demand collapsed due to the onset of a staggering global recession. It is not likely to approach the record levels of spring and summer 2008 again until demand picks up and/or the global oil supply is curbed dramatically. At this point, unfortunately, no crystal ball can predict just when either of those events will occur.
The contraction in international demand has indeed been stunning. After rising for much of last summer, demand plunged in the early fall by several hundred thousand barrels per day, producing a net decline for 2008 of 50,000 barrels per day. This year, the Department of Energy projects global demand to fall by a far more impressive 450,000 barrels per day -- "the first time in three decades that world consumption would decline in two consecutive years."
Needless
to say, these declines were unexpected. Believing that international
demand would continue to grow -- as had been the case in almost every
year since the last big recession of 1980 -- the global oil industry
steadily added to production capacity and was gearing up for more of
the same in 2009 and beyond. Indeed, under intense pressure from the
Bush administration, the Saudis had indicated last June that they would gradually add to their capacity until they reached an extra 2.5 million barrels per day.
Today, the industry is burdened with excess output and insufficient demand -- a surefire recipe for plunging oil prices. Even the December 17 decision by members of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) to reduce their collective output by 2.2 million barrels per day has failed to lead to a significant increase in prices. (Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah said recently that he considers $75 a barrel a "fair price" for oil.)
How long will the imbalance between demand and supply last? Until the middle of 2009, if not the end of the year, most analysts believe. Others suspect that a true global recovery will not even get under way until 2010, or later. It all depends on how deep and prolonged you expect the recession - or any coming depression -- to be.
A critical factor will be China's ability to absorb oil. After all, between 2002 and 2007, that country accounted for 35% of the total increase in world oil consumption -- and, according to the DoE, it is expected to claim at least another 24% of any global increase in the coming decade. The upsurge in Chinese consumption, combined with unremitting demand from older industrialized nations and significant price speculation on oil futures, largely explained the astronomical way prices were driven up until last summer. But with the Chinese economy visibly faltering, such projections no longer seem valid. Many analysts now predict that a sharp drop-off in Chinese demand will only accelerate the downward journey of global energy prices. Under these conditions, an early price turnaround appears increasingly unlikely.
2. When Prices Do Rise Again, They Will Rise Sharply: At present, the world enjoys the (relatively) unfamiliar prospect of a global oil-production surplus, but there's a problematic aspect to this. As long as prices remain low, oil companies have no incentive to invest in costly new production ventures, which means no new capacity is being added to global inventories, while available capacity continues to be drained. Simply put, what this means is that, when demand begins to surge again, global output is likely to prove inadequate. As Ed Crooks of the Financial Times has suggested, "The plunging oil price is like a dangerously addictive painkiller: short-term relief is being provided at a cost of serious long-term harm."
Signs of a slowdown in oil-output investment are already multiplying fast. Saudi Arabia, for example, has announced delays in four major energy projects in what appears to be a broad retreat from its promise to increase future output. Among the projects being delayed are a $1.2 billion venture to restart the historic Damman oil field, development of the 900,000 barrel per day Manifa oil field, and construction of new refineries at Yanbu and Jubail. In each case, the delays are being attributed to reduced international demand. "We are going back to our partners and discussing with them the new economic circumstances," explained Kaled al-Buraik, an official of Saudi Aramco.
In addition, most "easy oil" reservoirs have now been exhausted, which means that virtually all remaining global reserves are going to be of the "tough oil" variety. These require extraction technology far too costly to be profitable at a moment when the per barrel price remains under $50. Principal among these are exploitation of the tar sands of Canada and of deep offshore fields in the Gulf of Mexico, the Gulf of Guinea, and waters off Brazil. While such potential reserves undoubtedly harbor significant supplies of petroleum, they won't return a profit until the price of oil reaches $80 or more per barrel -- nearly twice what it is fetching today. Under these circumstances, it is hardly surprising that the oil majors are canceling or postponing plans for new projects in Canada and these offshore locations.
"Low oil prices are very dangerous for the world economy," commented Mohamed Bin Dhaen Al Hamli, the United Arab Emirates' energy minister, at a London oil-industry conference in October. With prices dropping, he noted, "a lot of projects that are in the pipeline are going to be reassessed."
With industry cutting back on investment, there will be less capacity to meet rising demand when the world economy does rebound. At that time, expect the present situation to change with predictably startling rapidity, as rising demand suddenly finds itself chasing inadequate supply in an energy-deficit world.
When this will occur and how high oil prices will then climb cannot, of course, be known, but expect gas-pump shock. It's possible that the energy shock to come will be no less fierce than the present global recession and energy price collapse. The Department of Energy, in its most recent projections, predicts that oil will reach an average of $78 per barrel in 2010, $110 in 2015, and $116 in 2020. Other analysts suggest that prices could go much higher much faster, especially if demand picks up quickly and the oil companies are slow to restart projects now being put on hold.
3. Low Oil Prices Like High Ones Will Have Significant Worldwide Political Implications: The steady run up in oil prices between 2003 and 2008 was the result of a sharp increase in global demand as well as a perception that the international energy industry was having difficulty bringing sufficient new sources of supply on line. Many analysts spoke of the imminent arrival of "peak oil," the moment at which global output would commence an irreversible decline. All this fueled fierce efforts by major consuming nations to secure control over as many foreign sources of petroleum as they could, including frenzied attempts by U.S., European, and Chinese firms to gobble up oil concessions in Africa and the Caspian Sea basin -- the theme of my latest book, Rising Powers, Shrinking Planet.
With the plunge in oil prices and a growing sense (however temporary) of oil plenty, this dog-eat-dog competition is likely to abate. The current absence of intense competition does not, however, mean that oil prices will cease to have an impact on global politics. Far from it. In fact, low prices are just as likely to roil the international landscape, only in new ways. While competition among consuming states may lessen, negative political conditions within producing nations are sure to be magnified.
Many of these nations, including Angola, Iran, Iraq, Mexico, Nigeria, Russia, Saudi Arabia, and Venezuela, among others, rely on income from oil exports for a large part of their government expenditures, using this money to finance health and education, infrastructure improvements, food and energy subsidies, and social welfare programs. Soaring energy prices, for instance, allowed many producer countries to reduce high youth unemployment -- and so potential unrest. As prices come crashing down, governments are already being forced to cut back on programs that aid the poor, the middle class, and the unemployed, which is already producing waves of instability in many parts of the world.
Russia's state budget, for example, remains balanced only when oil prices stay at or above $70 per barrel. With government income dwindling, the Kremlin has been forced to dig into accumulated reserves in order to meet its obligations and prop up sinking companies as well as the sinking ruble. The nation hailed as an energy giant is running out of money quickly. Unemployment is on the rise, and many firms are reducing work hours to save cash. Although Prime Minister Vladimir Putin remains popular, the first signs of public discontent have begun to appear, including scattered protests against increased tariffs on imported goods, rising public transit fees, and other such measures.
The decline in oil prices has been particularly damaging to natural gas behemoth Gazprom, Russia's biggest company and the source (in good times) of approximately one quarter of government tax income. Because the price of natural gas is usually pegged to that of oil, declining oil prices have hit the company hard: last summer, CEO Alexei Miller estimated its market value at $360 billion; today, it's $85 billion.
In the past, the Russians have used gas shut-offs to neighboring states to extend their political clout. Given the steep drop in gas prices, however, Gazprom's January 1st decision to sever gas supplies to Ukraine (for failure to pay for $1.5 billion in past deliveries) is, at least in part, finance-based. Though the decision has triggered energy shortages in Europe -- 25% of its natural gas arrives via Gazprom-fueled pipelines that traverse Ukraine -- Moscow shows no sign of backing down in the price dispute. "They do need the money," observed Chris Weafer of UralSib Bank in Moscow. "That is the bottom line."
Plunging oil prices are also expected to place severe strains on the governments of Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Venezuela, all of which benefited from the record prices of the past few years to finance public works, subsidize basic necessities, and generate employment. Like Russia, these countries adopted expansive budgets on the assumption that a world of $70 or more per barrel gas prices would continue indefinitely. Now, like other affected producers, they must dip into accumulated reserves, borrow at a premium, and cut back on social spending -- all of which risk a rise in political opposition and unrest at home.
The government of Iran, for example, has announced plans to eliminate subsidies on energy (gasoline now costs 36 cents per gallon) -- a move expected to spark widespread protests in a country where unemployment rates and living costs are rising precipitously. The Saudi government has promised to avoid budget cuts for the time being by drawing on accumulated reserves, but unemployment is growing there as well.
Diminished spending in oil-producing states like Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates will also affect non-producing countries like Egypt, Jordan, and Yemen because young men from these countries migrate to the oil kingdoms when times are flush in search of higher-paying jobs. When times are rough, however, they are the first to be laid off and are often sent back to their homelands where few jobs await them.
All this is occurring against the backdrop of an upsurge in the popularity of Islam, including its more militant forms that reject the "collaborationist" politics of pro-U.S. regimes like those of Hosni Mubarak of Egypt and King Abdullah II of Jordan. Combine this with the recent devastating Israeli air attacks on, and ground invasion of, Gaza as well as the seemingly lukewarm response of moderate Arab regimes to the plight of the 1.5 million Palestinians trapped in that tiny strip of land, and the stage may be set for a major upsurge in anti-government unrest and violence. If so, no one will see this as oil-related, and yet that, in part, is what it will be.
In the context of a planet caught in the grip of a fierce economic downturn, other stormy energy scenarios involving key oil-producing countries are easy enough to imagine. When and where they will arise cannot be foreseen, but such eruptions are only likely to make any future era of rising energy prices all that much more difficult. And, indeed, prices will eventually rise again, perhaps some year soon, swiftly and to new record heights. At that point, we will be confronted with the sort of problems we faced in the spring and summer of 2008, when raging demand and inadequate supply drove petroleum costs ever skyward. In the meantime, it's important to remember that, even with prices as low as they are, we cannot escape the consequences of our addiction to oil.
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38 Comments so far
Show AllI'm thinking that the Bush Depression is just catching its breath a bit due to the collapse of oil prices. It might help sell those lots full of monster SUV's for a bit, but look out below! The terrifying unemployment levels are showing no signs of abating. When oil is back up to $100, that combined with a 13.5%+ Real unemployment rate will put the misery index into the stratosphere.
I'm under no delusion that cannabis will solve the energy crisis, but it might ease the psychological depression of having to scrounge through dumpsters for one's daily food ration. That depends of course on knowing a friendly dealer in your area. High quality sinsemilla doesn't exactly grow on trees in my 'hood!!
What's so funny 'bout Peace Love and Understanding?
In my opinion, auto makers and oil companies have colluded to lower oil and therefore gasoline prices long enough for auto dealers to clear their lots of gas hog SUV's, pickup trucks, and large gas hog cars whose sales had dropped off to nothing. Once these vehicles are sold oil will jump back up to around a hundred bucks a barrel and more.
-- ekaton aka d.k.shaw
I've been reading Common Dreams waiting for an article on this, and this is all he can come up with:
demand decreased?!
Ever since the price started to rapidly decline I searched for information. I found one news article that mentioned the government released reserves. It released over 5 million barrels in the fall with plans to not replenish until this year.
http://www.spr.doe.gov/dir/dir.html
Theresa
A farm bill planting hemp on only that acreage visible from the east-west interstate highways would take us off petroleum in two years (five growing seasons) but that will not happen because there are at least 3-5 trillion dollars worth of petroleum business yet to be done from present methods. Get over it; oil companies and their investors rule and Mars is going to seem quite a lovely vacation spot in about twenty five years. Thankfully, I will be long dead then. My grandchildren will have to deal with it but that's how we are. Have a nice day and new year. Paul Jordan.
mr. klare, you write that "petroleum will remain the number one source of energy for at least the next several decades" and then follow that up stating that your words "sound totally inane." gosh, i wonder if there's a book store open at this hour of the day. makes me want to rush right out and buy your book. perhaps in your little world petroleum will remain primary. i'm willing to bet that, after this summer's price gouging by cheneybushrice, many people have learned their lesson and are already doing things to assure that their personal lives are never again impacted the way they have been in the last eight years, in particular the last eight months.
peak oil is here, like it or not, for many countries. how, since the morning's coffee has yet to kick in, can the world's population continue to explode and at the same time the demand for energy decrease? for those who think the price of oil isn't a direct result of politics, keep your eyes peeled after inauguration day. already, in the last ten days, the price of gasoline has risen over 20 cents per gallon in my small world. in four years, note the election connection, those among us who might survive cheney's next terrorist attack will see out of sight gas prices and many of those will be blaming the democratic party for their plight.
perhaps - since iraq was about democracy and never about the oil and since the ongoing debacle no longer warrants news coverage - the soldiers there should all go awol. i mean, really, why go fight in a war that's not newsworthy. then, let's see what happens to the price of gas.
for a more comprehensive look at the cost of oil in connection to politics, go read crossing the rubicon.
I don't think people have learned their lesson yet. Gas guzzler sales are still out there and traffic jams in the suburbs and urban areas are even worse. The prices have to stay way up and permanently or else people at least in the USA take oil for granted once the price goes down.
Here's something for all you oil enthusiasts to think about:
The International Energy Agency has released the oil depletion rate recently.
The oil depletion rate was 5.8% in 2007. The oil depletion rate in 2008 was 9.1%. That means, at most, just over 77 billion barrels of crude were produced last year.
And the oil depletion rate progresses at a logarithmic rate, just like compound interest. The more we use, the faster we deplete it.
Cheap oil. Expensive oil. It doesn't matter.
Oil is a finite resource our entire technological civilization depends upon so completely, even minor disruptions can lead to tragic consequences. Oil touches every corner of the world and almost every single product in our lives. If it is not made from oil, you can damn well bet it was moved by oil or made/processed by a machine that does.
We have run out of the cheap, easy to extract high quality crude. What is left is lower quality, and bloody difficult to extract and process.
The mega feilds of Saudi Arabia have depended on water injection to keep well pressure high for 20+ years. And every year, Saudi Arabia increases the amount of recoverable oil they say they can bring to market. This is an impossibility. The fields are of a known volume. Even with exotic recovery methods, they cannot make crude oil appear magiclly in the ground.
Recently, a former member of the Saudi company ARAMCO came forward and confirmed what many in the oil industry privately suspected. That Saudi Arabia has been lying it's ass off about how much oil they really have.
And with the economic collapse well underway, the deep water projects, small field projects and the Alberta Tar Sands project are either being cancelled or scaled back drasticcly.
Cheap oil as we are presently experiancing it is a minor statistical blip. Once demand ramps back up, the price will follow, and once again, people will choose to eat and have a place to live over feeding the gas guzzler. And the price will drop again.
The oil companies know that this is their swan song.
Just remember: When the oil goes, so do all our toys.
Walk in peace.
Folks, please don't confuse "demand" with "consumption". Consumption looks backwards and is easily measured by historic figures. "Demand" is quite a different beast. It includes the buyer figuring future market conditions at the time of a sale. Example, gasoline has creeped up a bit lately. If I think this is the trend, I might fill my tank to the brim at today's "cheap" price whereas during times of lowering prices I might put off the sale until my tank is on E. in order to get a lower price later on. My tendency to buy more rather than less gas today in turn increaces the demand part of the equation and given many others doing the same thing leads to a higher price (from higher demand). Meanwhile I am driving the same amount day to day(Consumption).
Sooo....
Cheap oil means we pay less at the pump at the regimes that don't like us have less money to spread their ant-american mischief. Sounds like a win-win, if you ask me!
No kidding. I am just BROKEN UP at the thought of Corporal Chavez, Putin, and the Mad Mullah having no money. Boo efffing Hoo...
Speaking of hemp, I was disgusted at the Democratic Party for allowing the DEA to freely bomb a hemp farm in Lakota back in 2000. It's amazing how 9/11 gets all the attention while our own government committing terrorism gets zilch. Hemp was proven to be a very useful source for fuel which is why big oil feared it and conspired with other business interests fearful of hemp winning naturally to outlaw it. Without hemp, there would be virtually no competition and they would be free to give us the cheap shit. Books used to be made of hemp and have in fact lasted far longer while books made from trees wore out more easily. The same could be said of rope. In fact, Henry Ford designed his plastic car made of hemp, bamboo, and other plant fibers which turned out to be 3 times stronger than steel and some even say that it was bulletproof. Contrast that to all that cheap metal shit that today's cars are made of and imported from China. For decades, the metal was so cheap and poor quality that one could easily shoot through the metal and kill someone sitting in the car. If oil is running out, demand will go down and since production will prove more difficult and even futile, the prices will go up even if demand drops to zilch. At least, that's what I'm judging by Hubbert's curve. Unless fuel efficient vehicles, public transportation, and substituting various plant oils even if it may require changing the engine become more mainstream, all the remaining oil will be sucked up faster than we're guessing. Demand cannot go up when supplies are lower and harder to come by. For decades, the oil cartels were free to rig the system since they faced no real competition thanks to outlawing hemp and stifling other alternative technologies such as solar and wind. Electric cars are still not being given a chance and are still extremely rare. Demand for oil would plummet if the auto giants were not allowed to rig the prices.
Terrance Mitchell
Redfield, South Dakota
As I recall, one of the reasons for high oil prices last year was speculation in London and New York that was partly supported by the imminent US and/or Israeli bombing of Iran, and was partly just another Ponzi scheme bubble. The resulting recession and then reduction of the Iranian threat caused oil tankers, pipelines and tanks full of crude that wasn't moving.
The upside is reduction of the destructive tar sands oil production and shelving of oil shale and coal to gas/oil projects. Maybe alternative energy sources and conservation measures can become cost effective and actually grow as the economy rebounds instead of just ramping up fossil. Make it so, Mr. Obama.
One thing I'm noticing in this tread is the complete lack of comment on natural gas, a material commonly found with or near oil.
Or how Russia has cut the pipeline through the Ukraine to the rest of Europe. In the middle of winter.
Much of Europe has no capacity to use oil for heating or cooking, so with continued low temperatures, tens of tousands will be at risk of starving or freezing to death.
But hey, the people in Greece, Bulgaria, and several other EU countries including the UK that have only limited strategic supplies of natural gas (which will soon run out) don't live in the US, so they don't count, right?
There is already an article about the russian gas issue on CD...
If you want to discuss it, go to that thread...
Otherwise, it is just a strawman argument...
I suspect that the most of the sudden fall in prices of crude oil was more a result from the developing financial crisis than either the result of a sudden decline in demand due to the world wide economic recession or political slight of hand. As credit tightened and oil prices started to decline many highly leveraged speculators in all commodities were driven from the market as they could no longer raise the money to meet margin call demands.
Having said that there is no doubt that the world wide recession did reduce demand and have an impact on reducing oil prices and if you look at the breakdown of which oil producers are getting hammered the hardest it’s hard not to suspect that the BFEE and the Saudi Royals have their dirty little fingers in the pie as well.
lol. me n JW know it's all mind over hemp (or is it hemp over mind?)
The sudden fall in oil prices from mid July up until now were election stunts. Besides, in most suburbs and big cities, I hear that the car traffic has exploded back up thereby pushing the rise in demand in the suburbs and big cities. That was expected of course. Obama and the Democrats are trying to defend Big Oil to save their asses. They aren't any different from the Repukes.
"The sudden fall in oil prices from mid July up until now were election stunts. "
Nonsense. Russia, Venezuela, Iran etc. would have to have been in on that. There is no "price dial" controled by American politicians or connected industrialists.
Actually, he maybe right. It happens every election season and OPEC does it given that the USA is the biggest user of oil even when most other nations have moved on to other sources and put conservation over guzzling first. Wait until a few months and it'll become evident.
It didn't work in '06. It's way after the election fact now and it's still low. C'mon, Chavez and Putin and Iran want to help out The Republicans? The election season just happens to be after the summer driving season.
No, sudden fall in oil price was the result of a massive decline in demand, as people had to choose between food, a place to live or gas.
With no demand, the price fell.
Walk in peace.
"No, sudden fall in oil price was the result of a massive decline in demand, as people had to choose between food, a place to live or gas."
Wrong. Between mid July and now, the prices kept falling and often times very suspiciously. The demand for oil comes from many factors and that demand doesn't go down all of a sudden and so fast. Now, switch all the manufacturing and transportation from petroleum to hemp and then the demand will do down and Big Oil will desperately lower its prices before getting their balls kicked with bankruptcy.
"With no demand, the price fell."
Demand hasn't fallen by much at all. At the most, demand could only go down 5% yearly. The price fall was very quick and very suspicious and you know it. Demand has stayed the same. Election season is over. Pay attention to history and quit making fuzzy assumptions.
JWV,
Price fluctuations from changes in supply and demand are not simple arithmetical functions - a 1% fall in demand will not produce a 1% fall in price, for example.
Many things affect price (including politics), but in an industry like energy (oil), when demand is steadily increasing, and production and investment and pricing are based on projections of demand continuing to increase, and then demand suddenly FALLS, even if only slightly, and the projections are for CONTINUED reduced demand, this certainly can have a much more pronounced effect on prices than the simple percentage of demand reduction.
i do not discount price manipulation, by producers or by political powers, especially in an industry as important and as concentrated as oil. But it is a mistake to discount supply and demand as major forces in the recent price crash for oil.
Also, just as climate disruption does not simply produce a steady rise in global temperature, but induces wild fluctuations in global and regional climates, so too does the genuine approach of Peak Oil produce not a simple steady change in supply and price, but instead induces wild fluctuations in energy markets. This has indeed been predicted as one of the real-world indicators that peak oil has arrived.
Also, as i neglected to recall and include, both MadHoosier and bbr have pointed out, commodity speculation is an important factor in pricing "demand" in the post-modern global economy...
I'm waiting for the 'hemp will solve EVERYTHING' cheerleaders to arrive...
Walk in peace.
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Amen, brother.
Once upon a time in the Middle East was a minor cult whose approved form of worship was to get stoned off their ass's on hemp/hash wine and screw.
But the coming of Christainity and Islam wiped it out.
Score another one for 'progressive, enlightened' monotheisms...
Walk in peace.
Back at you ! And you know that hemp will solve it all given the fact that it has thousands of industrial uses and can replace petroleum 100%. Tattoo that on your forehead and then walk in peace. LOL ! LOL ! :-)
So you can make ashphalt out of hemp? Wow. Who knew.
Yes,hemp has thousands of industrial uses. Given.
Petroleum has HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of uses. As well as being the most conveinient portable energy dense substance ever discovered.
Walk in peace.
"So you can make ashphalt out of hemp? Wow. Who knew."
You betcha. http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=17020
"Petroleum has HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of uses. As well as being the most conveinient portable energy dense substance ever discovered."
And hemp can replace petroleum in all of them. Now shut up and learn and quit being a Big Oil spokesman, you nitwit.
I have done some reading as you suggested.
Hemp uses include medicinal products, animal feed, organic food for humans, edible oils, cloth, fibre for other uses, limited plastics production, a light lubricating oil, and some use for industrial ethanol production.
Nothing about ashphalt production, or the literally thousands of products and processes that oil supplies. Nothing about replacing wiring insulation or other common uses. Nothing about substituting for resources only obtainable by the use of petroleum.
Nothing about the challenges hemp faces in trying to grow enough to meet even a fraction of the demands that you propose hemp assume from oil. And hemp production costs remain unfortunatly prohibitive.
I support hemp. Don't get me wrong. It is a wonderfully useful plant. But it is not the panacea that it's supporters propose. It was only rendered illegal because of the paper companies wanting to keep the price of wood pulp paper high.
Walk in peace.
I agree... Hemp is a useful plant just like petroleum is a useful material...
So let's stop burning it for fuel and use it for all the other manufactured products thatwe can't use carbohydrates for...
Prices are ALREADY rising again.
And when the price of gas reaches similar levels as it did in the summer of '08, demand will crash again, driving the economy even further into the crapper.
This extreme flucuating price volatility is one of the symptoms of immanant Peak Oil.
Walk in peace.
"And when the price of gas reaches similar levels as it did in the summer of '08, demand will crash again, driving the economy even further into the crapper."
Demand didn't go down so suddenly and it only went down by a tiny fraction while the prices suspiciously went down to too low to be true prices. Get your facts straight man.
"This extreme flucuating price volatility is one of the symptoms of immanant Peak Oil."
Peak Oil doesn't cause prices to fluctuate like that. It causes prices to go up permanently and it's a one way trip. P-O-L-I-T-I-C-S is what causes oil prices to fluctuate like crazy.
You got that right. I've been keeping a sharp eye on gas prices in my area and while there aren't that many stations for competition, I wouldn't be surprised to see the prices keep rising. My bet is crude oil will be well over $100 (US) a barrel by September if not earlier. Too bad my state of MS ain't gonna see public transit coming unless the price hits at least 300 a barrel from what I can tell.
Another excellent article from Mr. Klare. Despite wild oscillations in energy prices, peak oil and (more generally) the "limits to growth" are here. For the rest of our civilization's history, nothing will be so dominant-- and the fates of nations will hinge upon how well (or poorly) their citizens and governments adjust to this. So far, there is very little cause for optimism in the USA.