The Complete (Though Ever-Changing) Elite Consensus Over the Financial Collapse
The assertion that Saddam had chemical and biological weapons -- and the ability to use them against his neighbors and even the United States -- was expressed in an Oct. 1, 2002, document called a National Intelligence Estimate. The estimate didn't trigger President Bush's determination to oust Saddam. But it weighed heavily on members of Congress as they decided to authorize force against Iraq, and it was central to Secretary of State Colin Powell's presentation to the United Nations Security Council a year ago this week. . . .Walter Pincus, The Washington Post, August 11, 2007 -- "How the Fight for Vast New Spying Powers Was Won":The Bush and Clinton administrations, foreign intelligence services, and Republicans and Democrats in Congress all took it as a given that Iraq had chemical and biological weapons.
For three days, Mike McConnell, the director of national intelligence, had haggled with congressional leaders over amendments to a federal surveillance law, but now he was putting his foot down. "This is the issue," said the plain-spoken retired vice admiral and Vietnam veteran, "that makes my blood pressure rise. . . .David Herszenhorn, New York Times, today, "Congressional Leaders Stunned by Warnings":McConnell won the fight, extracting a key concession despite the misgivings of Democratic negotiators. Congressional, administration and intelligence officials last week described the events leading up to the approval of this surveillance, including a remarkable series of confrontations that ended with McConnell and the White House outmaneuvering the Democratic-controlled Congress, partly by capitalizing on fresh reports of a growing terrorism threat.
"We had a forcing function," a senior administration official said, referring to the intelligence community's public report last month that said al-Qaeda poses a growing threat to the United States and to lawmakers' desire to leave town in August. . . .
A critical moment for the Democrats came on July 24, when McConnell met in a closed session with senators from both parties to ask for urgent approval of a slimmed-down version of his bill. Armed with new details about terrorist activity and an alarming decline in U.S. eavesdropping capabilities, he argued that Congress had days, not weeks, to act.
"Everybody who heard him speak recognized the absolute, compelling necessity to move," Sen. Kit Bond (R-Mo.), vice chairman of the intelligence panel, said later of the closed session.
Democrats agreed. As delivered by McConnell, the warnings were seen as fully credible. "He's pushing this because he thinks we're in a high-threat environment," the senior aide said. . . .McConnell deemed [the Democratic draft's] fine print unacceptable, however, and in the end, it was the Republican bill, a near-copy of his proposal, that passed both chambers of Congress.
It was a room full of people who rarely hold their tongues. But as the Fed chairman, Ben S. Bernanke, laid out the potentially devastating ramifications of the financial crisis before congressional leaders on Thursday night, there was a stunned silence at first.Leave aside for the moment whether this gargantuan nationalization/bailout scheme is "necessary" in some utilitarian sense. One doesn't have to be an economics expert in order for several facts to be crystal clear:Mr. Bernanke and Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr. had made an urgent and unusual evening visit to Capitol Hill, and they were gathered around a conference table in the offices of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
"When you listened to him describe it you gulped," said Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York.
As Senator Christopher J. Dodd, Democrat of Connecticut and chairman of the Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee, put it Friday morning on the ABC program "Good Morning America," the congressional leaders were told "that we’re literally maybe days away from a complete meltdown of our financial system, with all the implications here at home and globally."
Mr. Schumer added, "History was sort of hanging over it, like this was a moment."
When Mr. Schumer described the meeting as "somber," Mr. Dodd cut in. "Somber doesn't begin to justify the words," he said. "We have never heard language like this."
"What you heard last evening," he added, "is one of those rare moments, certainly rare in my experience here, is Democrats and Republicans deciding we need to work together quickly."
First, the fact that Democrats are on board with this scheme means absolutely nothing. When it comes to things the Bush administration wants, Congressional Democrats don't say "no" to anything. They say "yes" to everything. That's what they're for.
They say "yes" regardless of whether they understand what they're endorsing. They say "yes" regardless of whether they've been told even the most basic facts about what they're being told to endorse. They say "yes" anytime doing so is politically less risky than saying "no," which is essentially always and is certainly the case here. They say "yes" whenever the political establishment -- meaning establishment media outlets and the corporate class that funds them -- wants them to say "yes," which is the case here. And they say "yes" with particular speed and eagerness when told to do so by the Serious Trans-Partisan Republican Experts like Hank Paulson and Ben Bernake (or Mike McConnell and Robert Gates and, before them, Donald Rumsfeld and Colin Powell).
So nothing could be less reassuring or more meaningless than the fact that the Democratic leadership has announced that what they heard scared them so much that they are certain all of this is necessary -- whatever "all this" might be (and does anyone think that they know what "this" even is?). It may be "necessary" or may not be, but the fact that Congressional Democrats are saying this is irrelevant, since they would not have done anything else -- they're incapable of doing anything else -- other than giving their stamp of approval when they're told to.
Second, whatever else is true, the events of the last week are the most momentous events of the Bush era in terms of defining what kind of country we are and how we function -- and before this week, the last eight years have been quite momentous, so that is saying a lot. Again, regardless of whether this nationalization/bailout scheme is "necessary" or makes utilitarian sense, it is a crime of the highest order -- not a "crime" in the legal sense but in a more meaningful sense.
What is more intrinsically corrupt than allowing people to engage in high-reward/no-risk capitalism -- where they reap tens of millions of dollars and more every year while their reckless gambles are paying off only to then have the Government shift their losses to the citizenry at large once their schemes collapse? We've retroactively created a win-only system where the wealthiest corporations and their shareholders are free to gamble for as long as they win and then force others who have no upside to pay for their losses. Watching Wall St. erupt with an orgy of celebration on Friday after it became clear the Government (i.e., you) would pay for their disaster was literally nauseating, as the very people who wreaked this havoc are now being rewarded.
More amazingly, they're free to walk away without having to disgorge their gains; at worst, they're just "forced" to walk away without any further stake in the gamble. How can these bailouts not at least be categorically conditioned on the disgorgement of ill-gotten gains from those who are responsible? The mere fact that shareholders might lose their stake going forward doesn't resolve that concern; why should those who so fantastically profited from these schemes they couldn't support walk away with their gains? This is "redistribution of wealth" and "government takeover of industry" on the grandest scale imaginable -- the buzzphrases that have been thrown around for decades to represent all that is evil and bad in the world. That's all this is; it's not an "investment" by the Government in any real sense but just a magical transfer of losses away from those who are responsible for these losses to those who aren't.
And all of this was both foreseeable as well as foreseen -- see the 2002 grave warnings from Warren Buffett on pages 14-15 of his shareholders letter (.pdf), among many other things -- and it's also happened before, when the Federal Government bailed out the S&L industry that (with John McCain's help) was able to gamble recklessly and then force the country to protect them from their losses. The people who did this have no fear of anything -- they completely lack the kind of healthy fear that impedes reckless behavior -- because they know how our Government works and that they control it and thus believe that their capacity to suffer is limited in the extreme. And they're right about that.
What's most vital to underscore is that the beneficiaries of this week's extraordinary Government schemes aren't just the coincidental recipients of largesse due to some random stroke of good luck. The people on whose behalf these schemes are being implemented -- the true beneficiaries -- are the very same people who have been running and owning our Government -- both parties -- for decades, which is why they have been able to do what they've been doing without interference. They were able to gamble without limit because they control the Government, and now they're having others bear the brunt of their collapse for the same reason -- because the Government is largely run for their benefit.
If there is any "pitchfork moment" -- an episode that understandably would send people into the streets in mass outrage -- it would be this. Nobody really even seems to know how much of these losses "the Government" -- meaning working people who had no part in the profits from these transactions -- is undertaking virtually overnight but it's at least a trillion dollars, an amount so vast it's hard to comprehend, let alone analyze in terms of consequences. The transactions are way too complex even for the most sophisticated financial analysts to understand, let alone value. Whatever else is true, generations of Americans are almost certainly going to be severely burdened in untold ways by the events of the last week -- ones that have been carried out largely without any debate and mostly in secret.
Third, what's probably most amazing of all is the contrast between how gargantuan all of this is and the complete absence of debate or disagreement over what's taking place. It's not just that, as usual, Democrats and Republicans are embracing the same core premises ("this is regrettable but necessary"). It's that there's almost no real discussion of what happened, who is responsible, and what the consequences are. It's basically as though the elite class is getting together and discussing this all in whispers, coordinating their views, and releasing just enough information to keep the stupid masses content and calm.
Can anyone point to any discussion of what the implications are for having the Federal Government seize control of the largest and most powerful insurance company in the country, as well as virtually the entire mortgage industry and other key swaths of financial services? Haven't we heard all these years that national health care was an extremely risky and dangerous undertaking because of what happens when the Federal Government gets too involved in an industry? What happened in the last month dwarfs all of that by many magnitudes.
The Treasury Secretary is dictating to these companies how they should be run and who should run them. The Federal Government now controls what were -- up until last month -- vast private assets. These are extreme -- truly radical -- changes to how our society functions. Does anyone have any disagreement with any of it or is anyone alarmed by what the consequences are -- not the economic consequences but the consequences of so radically changing how things function so fundamentally and so quickly?
Other countries are debating it. The headline in the largest Brazilian newspaper this week was: "Capitalist Socialism??" and articles all week have questioned -- with alarm -- whether what the U.S. Government did has just radically and permanently altered the world economic system and ushered in some perverse form of "socialism" where industries are nationalized and massive debt imposed on workers in order to protect the wealthiest. If Latin America is shocked at the degree of nationalization and government-mandated transfer of wealth, that is a pretty compelling reflection of how extreme -- unprecedented -- it all is.
But there's virtually no discussion of that in America's dominant media outlets. All one hears is that everything that is happening is necessary to save us all from economic doom. And what's most amazing about that is that the Natural, Unchallenged Consensus That Nobody Questions can shift drastically in a matter of days and still nobody questions anything. This is what Atrios observed as I was writing this post:
It's fascinating to watch how easily consensus is manufactured. A few days ago elite opinion seemed to be cheering Paulson's "no bailout" line, and now they're cheering a trillion bucks thrown down the crapper. All the Very Serious People will spend their days coming up with their pony plans, oblivious to the fact that the pony plan is not an option. The Bush administration's plan is the option.The way it works is that Bush officials decree how things will be, and then everyone -- from Congressional Democrats to the Serious Pundits -- jump uncritically and obediently on board, even if they were on board with the complete opposite approach just days earlier, and then all real dissent vanishes. That's how the country in general works. As Atrios says: "We've seen this game played before."
I don't pretend to know anywhere near enough -- in terms of either raw
information or expertise -- in order to opine on the necessity or lack
thereof of The Latest Plan in terms of whether the alternatives are
worse. But what I do know is that an injustice so grave and extreme
that it defies words is taking place; that the greatest beneficiaries
are those who are most culpable; and that the same hopelessly broken
and deeply rotted institutions and elite class that gave rise to all of
this (and so much more) are the very ones that are -- yet again --
being blindly entrusted to solve this.
UPDATE: Here is the current draft for the latest plan. It's elegantly simple. The three key provisions: (1) The Treasury Secretary is authorized to buy up to $700 billion
of any mortgage-related assets (so he can just transfer that amount to
any corporations in exchange for their worthless or severely crippled
"assets") [Sec. 6]; (2) The ceiling on the national debt is raised to
$11.3 trillion to accommodate this scheme [Sec. 10]; and (3) best of
all: "Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act
are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be
reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency" [Sec. 8].
Put another way, this authorizes Hank Paulson to transfer $700 billion of taxpayer money to private industry in his sole discretion, and nobody has the right or ability to review or challenge any decision he makes.
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Show AllHow dare they call this socialism. What is going on is NOT socialism, it is pure fascism. Get the definitions correct. Socialism shares the good as well as the bad, whereas fascism is based upon secrecy, command, and control of the ignorant masses to gain the wealth of a country.
Absolutely true, I think they mistaking national-socialism with socialism. The 2 have nothing to do with each other. This is not even fascism in the original definition. This is cooperation banditism with the help of 'selected' officials.
Never mind the socialism smoke screen this is not a Market System, this is killer capitalism. The people who function in it couldn't care less, what name you give it so long as it is money! This is a system controlled by the power elite as it is in any dicatatorship anywhere on Earth. The lawyers who become politicians are in collusion with them. They work for them in and out of goverment. Their is no surprises here Paulson had to be a toad and do all the things that toads do before they are the chief toad of Wall Street and than the Treasury. But they are still toads thinking of ways to eat maggots who make up the banking and financial system.
The present Wall Street situation underscores the unregulated system that is called market forces. There are no such things as " The so called "Free Market" it is a euphemism, a fabrication for the rich and powerful. It is a means for them to be able to do just as they wish with out regulation. " Greed is the seed and the sickness of most men's souls." It is time for a change in the American system to use the best aspects of all economic systems including those that use some social ideas. This Capitalist sickness called "free market" is free to bankrupt America and the world. This gambling casino must stop! Financial controls are in order and the sooner the better. It is necessary to give abusers life sentences for white-collar criminals.
The government picks of the costs of the greed from these "free marketers" and that becomes socialism if any body is watching. Americans pay for it two ways first with exorbitant costs of failing mega- business than the cost of bailing them out when they have become too large and mismanaged by the CEO's as we have seen with Enron and so many others in the banking and saving and loan scandals. At the same time the mergers have cost Americans so many jobs in terms of so-called efficiency and economies of scale, created as a result of mergers. Not to mention the jobs shipped out of the country as a result of the desire to increase profits using third world labor.
Its time for the American people to get it, the entire system must be changed its all corrupt and it starts with the people you elect! It is they who are in collusion with business. The costs of pay packages of the managers who have no special rights to the amount of money they are given is picked up by the poor working people of the USA.
It is time to revamp both the political and economic system of the USA. Time to stop this system with its closed world of the rich out of control and to save the planet and the world-system that is melting down due to all of this uncaring greed.
However,I find it extraordinary that with the entire future of the planet in the balance we have people here talking about electing Nader or McKinney. There is only one candidate in this so-called democracy to put your X next to. Its Obama. Like it or not, -I certainly don't like either party of entrenched power brokers who dealing with the fait of humanity,- Obama can do the least damage and get the most accomplished but given the likes of Pelosi that is a stretch. Like it or not that is all there is because of the way this plutocracy chooses its candidates. Neither of the other two WILL BE ABLE TO GET ANYTHING DONE. This system has been brought low by the fact that this form of government is not a Socialist democracy but a Capitalist democracy with a killer form of capitalism that is trying to kill its own people. Actually the USA is a Plutocracy.
This system in the USA requires an active supportive congress, regardless of the fact that most, if not all, are power brokers dealing with ways to take your money and use it for the advantage of the power elite rather than the public at large. At the very least Obama once knew what it was like to be poor. He did the right things to get where he has arrived. Whether his desire for stardom will be measured by the gravity of the office he wishes we will see, but at least he does not live the life of a military establishment figure. ENOUGH OF THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, although we get a different version of it with the DNC.
A vote for either Nader or McKinne will help elect Mccain and Palin, the most opportunistic and stupid choice a candidate ever made for the VP spot. McCain left his brains on the floor of his prison cell. There ids no good reason because one is a patriot born to an advantaged military family, does it mean they are intelligent. I like both of these people Nader or McKinne but this is not the time for idealism it died with the defeat of Kerry. Nader helped elect Bush in 2004 and we have the possibility to see what that has accomplished for the world in retrospect. Would this sort of intelligence, of Mccain and Palin would you want to see achieve power? I have to question anyone who thinks that the choice of candidates is democratic. If you do your understanding of the American political scene and look at your post as someone who lives in the world of the ideal rather than the world of reality
Democrats lost because they rolled over, had a weak uninspiring candidate. Plus not one single Democratic Senator could be found to investigate the matter after the theft. Not even Gore wanted it investigated.
Twelve percent of Florida Democrats (over 200,000) voted for Republican George Bush Gore lost by 543. Nader is not to blame, the Democrats are. They refused to investigate the fraud in Florida. Also, nobody seems to blame the Supreme Court.
Gore couldn't even win his own state of Tennessee which would have made Nader irrelevant because he would have had enough electoral votes to win. More Democrats voted for Bush than for Nader in Florida in 2000. I notice how Democrats hate Nader more than Bush, which is why their leaders have successfully shielded from prosecution and granted him immunity for his many crimes. If DPAs hated Bush as much as Nader they would have impeached him if not thrown him jail.
Democrats love to blame Nader. Bull.
Heyyyy,
you all don't think there is a chance that Obama, McCain, Bernanke, Bush, and the ilk are all just bailing themselves out here do you?
hey, Bush and the Democrats got away with selling Americans a war, why not try a financial collapse? Americans are so easy to fool anyway. Incredible how amateurishly all of this has been staged by Democrats and Republicans to look like the financial system's crashing and burning, yet Americans will buy into this robbery of biblical proportions, lock, stock and barrel.
Exactly what Collin Powell did in front of the world at the UN in 2003, with his phony evidence (presented in glorious Hollywood 3D graphics) of Saddam's WMD. It worked then, it's going to work now.
Got Nader?
I find it extraordinary that with the entire future of the planet in the balance we have this person talking about electing Nader or McKinney. There is only one candidate in this so-called democracy to put your X next to. Its Obama. Like it or not, -I certainly don't like either party of entrenched power brokers who are dealing with the fait of humanity,- Obama can do the least damage and get the most accomplished. Neither of the other two WILL BE ABLE TO GET ANYTHING DONE. This system has been brought low by the fact that this form of government is not a Socialist democracy but a Capitalist democracy with a killer form of capitalism that is trying to kill its own people. Actually the USA is a Plutocracy.
This system in the USA requires an active supportive congress, regardless of the fact that most, if not all, are power brokers dealing with ways to take your money and use it for the advantage of the power elite rather than the public at large. At the very least Obama once knew what it was like to be poor. He did the right things to get where he has arrived. Whether his desire for stardom will be measured by the gravity of the office he wishes we will see, but at least he does not live the life of a military establishment figure. ENOUGH OF THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, although we get a different version of it with the DNC.
A vote for either Nader or McKinne will help elect Mccain and Palin, the most opportunistic and stupid choice a candidate ever made for the VP spot. McCain left his brains on the floor of his prison cell because one is a patriot born to an advantaged military family does not mean they are intelligent. I like both of these people Nader or McKinne but this is not the time for idealism it died with the defeat of Kerry. Nader helped elect Bush in 2004 and we have the possibility to see what that has accomplished for the world in retrospect. Would this sort of intelligence, of Mccain and Palin you would want to see achieve power Mr. Aquifer? I have to question your understanding of the American political scene and look at your post as someone who lives in the world of the ideal rather than the world of reality
Clinton grew up poor, disadvantaged. He signed the one act that started this, or increased the momentum, without even a salutary veto. Understanding poverty means you don't want it, not that you care about others. I might like Obama as a person, I still might vote for him, buy he has greatly reduced his policy appeal.
I imagine Snowwolf and the rest of his ilk are completely flushed with glee today, as they watch their avaristic dreams of a fascist takeover of the US become reality. They must be positively drunk with power and celebrating today...
"The only thing required for evil to flourish is that good men do nothing."
This is one of the largest steps the US has taken towards complete fascism in the last 8 years. Fascism is defined as the "joining of Corporation and Government for mutual benefit." Mussolini once said "the proper term for fascism should be 'Corporatism.'"
The events of the last 2 days now leave no doubt whatsoever: the neo-cons coup of our former constitutional republic form of government is now almost complete. We are witnessing, before our very eyes, the literal merging of corporate and government power, the very definition of fascism. When combined with all the other tools the government has put in place these last 8 years: patriot act, fisa act, military commission act, outsourcing of military to Blackwater, etc - we are truly standing on the very knife's edge of a totalitarian fascist existence. It absolutely staggers the imagination that this is happening to the United States of America.
If you haven't thought about moving to another country yet - you may want to start considering it. This is no joke, people.
"The only thing required for evil to flourish is that good men do nothing."
What is the word to describe a fascist leader? I think we should know the appropriate term to attach to either, Obama, or McCain.
I cannot imagine that the need for the States to strongly and seriously consider secession from the union, to rectify this Federal tyranny run amok, can get any more obvious.
The States are not merely the servants of the union. The union was made to serve the combined interest of the States. In failing this, as the federal union is currently doing. The case for the States to use their inalienable rights as they represent the people living there is growing more and more unshakable.
The federal government has gone through a series of failures, the first being an illegal president, followed by an illegal war, the FEMA disaster, the list goes on and on.
It seems more likely to get "easy consensus" when the admin. works at making it sound as complicated as they can, so that even Greenwald says he's not an expert. For days I've been thinking it's kind of a battle of ideologies, with smoke and dust thrown in so that those of us who think we are educated, can be "snowed".
I suppose that those who only think they are educated probably will be snowed, if snowed properly describes what will happen.
Now you are getting it. Forget the Feds. The power is in the states and people are beginning to fight back there. Sorry, illegal President won't fly....Supreme Court, ergo....legal. Illegal war....Congress, ergo...legal.
I agree, I have written letters to all of my State representatives. I hope others will do the same.
It is time for the States, the best check to the Federal tyranny to stand up and say no way.
Why would letting them crash and burn be such a bad thing?
Then they wouldn't be able to continue business as usual.
Because these people do not crash and do not burn, the money they are brining is the money of the investors, and the houses they crash are the ones we live in.
This is the second 9/11.
After 9/11, it took the Bush administration only a few days to come up with the several hundred page of 'law' that become the current Patriot Act.
If this 'law' was not already prepared by the group who presented the law to the congress 'in the right moment', it would have taken them much longer to prepare and have this ready.
The same story is now being repeated after the economical 9/11. This time again, the hands of a Bush family member can be found in the fall of Lehman Brothers (Jeb start working for them in 2007) and the fact that they sacrificed LB for the greater good, to loose a few billion to get the big trophy of the 3500 billion dollars that is at stake here (the $700B is just the top of the iceberg).
If it was not for the program exchelon, the US stock market had lost over 20% of it's value last week and the fact that they secretly injected over $102B into the stock market to quickly take it back the day after when the good news was 'roumered' into the media.
This is not economical meltdown, this is a take over of the financial institutions the same way the US legal system was hijacked after 9/11, and the ones paying for it are you, the american public, and us, europeans because our stupid banks are still injecting life support into the corps of the 'free market' econy of United states.
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The only difference between Bernie Sanders and the rest of the "democrats" is that Sanders is a chameleon with an unerring sense of survival, and he can see whose head is on the pole if he doesn't start sounding a different message. He's supported some of the worst excesses of this bloody war overseas since the very beginning.
Vote for third parties not because they have a chance of taking power this year, they don't. Enroll in the third party effort because the only place a real opposition that serves a working class majority and its alllies is in the third party effort. In fact, third party effort must stop thinking of itself as third party, and begin to see itself as the main wing of opposition in this country. People who sympathize, but who still want to vote for the "democrats", are the real sectarians and splitters. They don't think of themselves that way, but they are. They insist on pouring more and more energy into mopping up the leak as opposed to shutting down the water main so that the real damage can be surveyed, and strategy built accordingly. They are dividing what small forces there are which are actually seeking qualitative change.
The "republicans" and "democrats" are two political cults that are attached to the empire, with no more loyalty to constitutional process then . Obama can no more "slow down" this process of imperial corruption and dissolution (as one person argues above) then McCain can, because the forces that drive this machinery are fully consolidated, and have been since they sold the public on the Iraq war. What Obama can do is sucker those of us who want to continue to deny the massive flood of evidence to the contrary with high sounding rhetoric and charismatic flair. But he is the most ingenious front man for the class enemy that the "moderate" factions of the ruling elite have come up with in quite some time. Anyone who saw his keynote speech to the "democratic" convention in the year 2004 knew he was being groomed for such a role, particularly when his militarist and jingoistic language on behalf of the (even then) fading John Kerry was being cheered. If his choice of a running mate, corporate Bomber Joe Biden doesn't tell you that, then there's no telling you anything other than the hard experience that is to come. If his shameless support of Archer Daniels Midland and the growing expropriation of some of the poorest people on the planet in order to create agri-fuels doesn't convince you that he's just another corporate shill, then your notion of opposition doesn't come down to anything more than keeping this struggle painless for yourself, and making compromises on behalf of people much poorer than you that it is not your perogative to make. And quite frankly, if you support either party of plutocrats at this point, you deserve your share of what is coming. We'll all have to live with it. But those who still buy into it at this late date actually deserve it. Sorry.
Or: Support McKinney, support Nader, take your lumps in November, meet with other people who supported McKinney, Nader, the Libertarians, build a united front around the needs of the working class majority and its allies, build an independent, locally driven, militant and democratic opposition current that is ready to fight for all the best features of the democratic experience. It will be difficult, and probably even bloody, but like the man said, liberty or nothing. Na?
http://sanders.senate.gov/issues/iraq.cfm
This is Sanders positiont on the Iraq War. (He voted againast it)
In 2001, he was not in the Senate.
The best you can do is continue the chatter about who to vote for in a totally corrupt federal system???????????????
Na? Ja!
You've got my toe a-tappin' and my heart a-thumpin', Mister Fiddler!
FiddlerJones September 22nd, 2008 7:40 am
The bottom line is that Obama's sole job is to persuade enough voters to WANT to vote for him that he can become President. If he can't do that, and it increasingly looks like he can't, then he doesn't deserve to be President.
Lobo Gris
I think we should start a change of terminology. The leader of the corrupt federal system will be a dictator, or a king, he will not be a president.
Take your choice,
Hail Obama,
Hail McCain,
Or Hail Mary, Nader
Not 'Leea?'
Business types liked to connect democracy and capitalism. In order for capitalism to really flourish you needed the freedom and creativity of democracy.
Then communist china morphs into the worlds largest (second largest and fastest growing) capitalist
economy and has certain economic freedoms but is still totalitarian.
It seems the U.S. corporate billionaires club is rather jealous of all that control and money and is heading in the same direction. If the various competing nations don't blow themselves up or exhaust all the resources in the next few years, I can see some type of totalitarian/fascist/neworldorder evolving into something even beyond orwell/huxly wildest dark nightmares.
Remember we're not just movie watchers, we are the movie..... play your part well, it will make Shakespeare and god proud!
ralph 442 September 22nd, 2008 5:22 am
"It seems the U.S. corporate billionaires club is rather jealous of all that control and money and is heading in the same direction. If the various competing nations don't blow themselves up or exhaust all the resources in the next few years, I can see some type of totalitarian/fascist/neworldorder evolving into something even beyond orwell/huxly wildest dark nightmares."
It already has, look at:
The Fisa act
The "Patriot act"
The formation of the Homeland security department
The suppression of dissent: at the Democratic and Republican conventions plus various other public functions over the last eight years.
The jailing of individuals without charge or trial; even in a military prison on U.S. soil.
The holding of Kangaroo trials; the military commissions act
The suppression of the vote of minorities
The rigging of voting machines and failure to address the issue after eight full years.
The unbridled unchecked power ceded to the executive branch
The refusal to hold officials accountable for their actions; impeachment taken off the table.
Just to name some of the power and civil liberties lost
Lobo Gris
I can smell the fear from here. The rats are beginning to abandon their children to the larger hungry ones. Nothing like fear at election time...to spice the morning coffee.
The sweat of fear dripping into their eyes
blinded and blurred the heartache sighs
for the unseen dead
of tribes writings unread,
we are forever in their stead.
Bottom line; the lying, thieving, murderers have created a massive problem that the lying, thieving, murderers will fix by taking greater control so that they can continue to lie, steal, and murder.
Third, what's probably most amazing of all is the contrast between how gargantuan all of this is and the complete absence of debate or disagreement over what's taking place.
-of course not on the big picture Dems and Pugs are birds of a feather.
The Dems were rushed into the war and rushed into the Patriot act. Slimy little cowards, invertebrates. They are not stupid however as has been noted, they are posers. They pose as the "opposition party" for DPAs and saps that buy it. Then they go into the back room with the Pugs and the Pugs come out smiling.
Capitalist Socialism??"
-well that's simple, socialism for the rich only. The losses get socialized and the profits remain private. Why? Socialism for the rich good! Socialism for the poor bad!
The way it works is that Bush officials decree how things will be, and then everyone -- from Congressional Democrats to the Serious Pundits -- jump uncritically and obediently on board, even if they were on board with the complete opposite approach
-the PTB calls the shots and makes policy, the Dems and Pugs carry the water, that's their job!
I don't pretend to know anywhere near enough...
-ah, such a great reporter and humble too. Greenwald knows way more than most and has the balls to publish it! KUDOS!
Glenn Greenwald is one of the best reporters bar none. KUDOS - well done!
I usually read these articles with a slant toward finding an angle to bash those hyper-cowards and sell outs the Democrats. I immediately thought of the DPAs on CD and wondered if they were holding their heads down in shame as they read this. I couldn't have been more wrong. As I glanced up the thread my eye caught a post in which a DPA was berating another blogger for supporting 3rd parties! Can you believe that?
"...the true beneficiaries -- are the very same people who have been running and owning our Government -- both parties -- for decades, which is why they have been able to do what they've been doing without interference..."
-that would be a good definition of the PTB (powers that be) the powers the Dems and Pugs are beholden to.
Thank you Greenwald for further exposing the criminality of the Democrats and how they work with Republicans like a hand in a glove.
Outraged? CALL FOR A GENERAL STRIKE!
SHUT DOWN AMERICA TILL THE TAXPAYERS ARE PROTECTED!
The republican fascists have crashed the economy with their free-market deregulation bonanza, and they see the writing on the wall. So what do they do? They paint the democrats into a corner. Either they sign on to the bailout---which, to those with an ability to think critically, is theft---and they get tossed over the coals for capitulating once again. Or they don't sign on to the bailout, and get blamed for not acting to save the economy when they could---it's all their fault. They will take the blame either way. You got to give it to those fascists, they really know how to play the game...
Is republican fascist an oxymoron?
No. It's redundant.
Yeah, they should just change it to American Fascist Party---then the Democrats can take over Republican title...
yah there is no corruption like transparent corruption.
If idiot Paulson knew only days before that "We’re literally maybe days away from a complete meltdown of our financial system,” why would Congress give him any money?
He is clearly incompetent if he did not know what was happening only days before the melt down.
This is another farce. Congress can't be seriously thinking of giving the idiot Bush administration any more power over the financial system.
Paulsen can't feign ignorance or surprise, since he is one of those who helped bring forward these schemes in the first place, when he was at Morgan Stanley. No, no, no--Hank is the BIG DECEIVER for the DECIDER & CO.
Of course they can. The corporate paradigm has been branded into the minds of most legislators because it is how they live. Time for a pole shift. The only way it will happen is through "people power".
The corporate paradigm being the polar opposite of constitutional democracy.
I've noticed a lot of fighting between the Obama and 3rd party supporters. Please note, I have tremendous support for 3rd party candidates and try to make them a reality here in my state of Nebraska despite no success. However, on the presidential level, do you really think that Nader, McKinney, Paul, etc ... would really be able to do anything once they're in the office? They still have a hostile Congress of both parties who will definitely team up to render them irrelevant and even oust them by bringing up some false charges to impeach and remove them from office. The corporate media will see to it that happens and they'll do their usual push-polling faking a public support of impeachment. Then they have the monied elites who are 100x more powerful than they were in FDR's time even though FDR faced multiple assassination attempts and tremendous opposition in Congress. Look, I like Nader, Paul, Mckinney, etc ... but let's be honest. Even if they could win the election, they need a Congress that supports them and the corporate media must be reformed or they have no chance of getting anything done. I know Obama has plenty of issues and I too am disappointed in his flipping on the issues. However, unlike Mccain, he'll slow down the damage rather than hasten it so that we the people might be able to be prepared when the country hits the wall. Nothing is going to fundamentally change with just the president alone. You have a long ways to go before you can ever hope of seeing a truly progressive nation.
>>You have a long ways to go before you can ever hope of seeing a truly progressive nation.
Yep, you're certainly right about that....because as long as there are small-minded people like you and madcow who can't seem to fathom that mainstream politics (much like the MSM) is a one party system with two right wings, and keep on voting for the evil of two lessors, we'll never see a truly progressive nation.
>>do you really think that Nader, McKinney, Paul, etc ... would really be able to do anything once they're in the office?
Yes, I do. Particularly where Mr. Nader is concerned. Who is better qualified to insure protections for the little guy, as oppossed to the Wall Street cartel? You people who continue to operate on "hope" astound me, because "hype" is all you are getting. Right up the ass.
I don't vote for the "evil of two lessers" or the "lesser of two evils". I vote for the "most good"
Don't you think it's funny how you can't differentiate between the republican trolls on this site and the die-hard no-compromise progressives? In the end they both just want to destroy those evil democrats.
Obama will have no power. McCain will have no power. Only the MIC has power in this system. Presently, we have NO representative government for anyone except the brain-dead and the mentally ill fascists. Obama and McCain only serve to prop up the Grand Illusion. If the MIC tells Obama to start or expand a war, he will. If they say put some more lipstick on the economic pig, he will, so the MIC can continue to loot. These are GLOBALISTS, LEFT/RIGHT ILLUSIONISTS, (or as some would say, ILLUNINISTS, who have played the electorate like a fiddle to the dismal point where we find ourselves now. Even if Obama had a conscience to act upon and step outside his "box", he would be walked right over and the drama would still play out according to the globalist MIC script. No one here wants to see the mentally unbalanced McCain in power, but then it wouldn't really be his power anyway. Likewise, Obama and the Democrats know who they really work for. Obama says that he doesn't believe the North American Union agenda exists. He's lied about so many things. The current "Economic 911" is part of this agenda to destroy the U.S. middle class, grab what booty remains, and use that desperation and vulnerability to herd us into slavery and a greater pool of cannon fodder as they move their operations to other locations.
Elections are a charade between cardboard cut-outs, to keep us hopeful and entertained, as we move from one "911" event to the next. As we stare in rapt distraction, they're killing us in a thousand ways. Doom and Gloom?? Not for those who are trying to raise the level of DISCERNMENT in ourselves and others on this site. Actually, I do think Obama is a better choice than McCain, but mostly in a cosmetic way. He does offer a plan for the millions of newly unemployed in his "civilian national security force" and other mass organizations for the "youth". Can you say Stasi/KGB?? No, I won't be voting for any more lipstick on the PIG. Been there, done that too many times.
Mister Chips I agree with most of your post except: Only the MIC has power in this system.
-Big Oil, Big Bank, and Big Business also have major power and are major players. Remember we are an oligarchy.
Wikipedia: Oligarchy is a form of government where political power effectively rests with a small elite segment of society distinguished by royalty, wealth, family, military powers or occult spiritual hegemony. The word oligarchy is from the Greek words for "few" (ὀλίγον olígon) and "rule" (ἄρχω arkho). Such states are often controlled by politically powerful families whose children were heavily conditioned and mentored to be heirs of the power of the oligarchy. This type of power by it's very nature may not be exercised openly; the oligarchs preferring to remain "the power behind the throne", exerting control through economic means. Oligarchies have been tyrannical throughout history, being completely reliant on public servitude to exist. The very nature of this type of political control system breeds degeneration and inherently lacks the capacity to sustain itself independently. More dependence upon the earth's natural resources and its inhabitant's lives grows exponentially with each passing generation. Although Aristotle pioneered the use of the term as a synonym for rule by the rich, for which the exact term is plutocracy, oligarchy is not always a rule by wealth, as oligarchs can simply be a privileged group.
However in the US case I think it is rule by wealth.
So answer me this Mister Chips: When Carter was president he stressed Human Rights. He conditioned U.S. aid on improved Human Rights. He even cut off military aid to Israel for awhile. In Haiti, Papa Doc and his thugs were forced to let the people have a voice, and this led to his removal. There was a time of hope there for the people.
In Nicaragua a similar thing happened to Somoza. He was deposed by the Sandinistas. (And I know that Carter still ordered the CIA to support the opponents of the revolution, but he also kept giving the Sandinistas aid). And also during this time, the Shah or Iran was deposed. And we got the mullahs and the hostages, and the people got rid of the police state Savak thugs that we put in there. (This is Blowback, and I'd say we had it coming for deposing the elected government back in the fifties.)
So here's the question: Do you think it made a difference to the lives of these people to have a democrat in office?
So answer me this Mister Chips: When Carter was president he stressed Human Rights. He conditioned U.S. aid on improved Human Rights. He even cut off military aid to Israel for awhile. In Haiti, Papa Doc and his thugs were forced to let the people have a voice, and this led to his removal. There was a time of hope there for the people.
In Nicaragua a similar thing happened to Somoza. He was deposed by the Sandinistas. (And I know that Carter still ordered the CIA to support the opponents of the revolution, but he also kept giving the Sandinistas aid). And also during this time, the Shah or Iran was deposed. And we got the mullahs and the hostages, and the people got rid of the police state Savak thugs that we put in there. (This is Blowback, and I'd say we had it coming for deposing the elected government back in the fifties.)
So here's the question: Do you think it made a difference to the lives of these people to have a democrat in office?
Obama will have no power. McCain will have no power. Only the MIC has power in this system. Presently, we have NO representative government for anyone except the brain-dead and the mentally ill fascists. Obama and McCain only serve to prop up the Grand Illusion. If the MIC tells Obama to start or expand a war, he will. If they say put some more lipstick on the economic pig, he will, so the MIC can continue to loot. These are GLOBALISTS, LEFT/RIGHT ILLUSIONISTS, (or as some would say, ILLUNINISTS, who have played the electorate like a fiddle to the dismal point where we find ourselves now. Even if Obama had a conscience to act upon and step outside his "box", he would be walked right over and the drama would still play out according to the globalist MIC script. No one here wants to see the mentally unbalanced McCain in power, but then it wouldn't really be his power anyway. Likewise, Obama and the Democrats know who they really work for. Obama says that he doesn't believe the North American Union agenda exists. He's lied about so many things. The current "Economic 911" is part of this agenda to destroy the U.S. middle class, grab what booty remains, and use that desperation and vulnerability to herd us into slavery and a greater pool of cannon fodder as they move their operations to other locations.
Elections are a charade between cardboard cut-outs, to keep us hopeful and entertained, as we move from one "911" event to the next. As we stare in rapt distraction, they're killing us in a thousand ways. Doom and Gloom?? Not for those who are trying to raise the level of DISCERNMENT in ourselves and others on this site. Actually, I do think Obama is a better choice than McCain, but mostly in a cosmetic way. He does offer a plan for the millions of newly unemployed in his "civilian national security force" and other mass organizations for the "youth". Can you say Stasi/KGB?? No, I won't be voting for any more lipstick on the PIG. Been there, done that too many times.
Madcow....I can indeed distinguish between rethuglican trolls and demothuglican trolls and also those who seem to think the word "progressive" has any meaning.
I really do want to destroy those evil democrats, those evil rethuglicans, and the misguided people who support the one party system with two right wings.
Destroy. There is a word that has meaning.
Yes, of course. You're right about everything. I'm misguided, please don't come after me.
I think it is funny that YOU can't differentiate between them.
I can see the difference quite easily myself, thank you.
You're missing the point, Nathan, as are you madcow. Why is it so difficult to understand that there could be a political reason for running a third party candidate beyond winning the election? It almost seems like a diversion to talk about the fantasy of winning as no one really thinks it will happen.
If we propose to discuss third party candidates, we should discuss it on the terms of their own candidacies. We won't get anywhere talking about something that doesn't exist.
In my opinion, Cynthia McKinney's candidacy (Cynthia is my own choice) is tough and realistic and necessary (or at least useful) in keeping the progressive issues and non-corporate election choice alive. I don't expect everybody who considers himself or herself a "progressive" to buy into my own considered political strategy. (Starry-eyed advocacy of Obama appears unrealistic to me.) But, really, there is more to it than "disregard for reality". Let's agree to disagree on this matter without denigrating the other side.
I can totally agree with that Arry. Your tone is SO appreciated in all of this. My whole thing is electability. Who is going to actually sit in the office in two months. In a this election I think it's crucial that Obama wins by enough votes that they can't steal it. That's why I'm so worried about the left splitting it's vote. I don't think we can afford it.
sorry about the "disregard of reality" comment. It's just frustration talking.
madcow September 22nd, 2008 12:07 am
"That's why I'm so worried about the left splitting it's vote. I don't think we can afford it."
You are another one that seems to believe that everyone who will vote for Nader or McKinney would automatically vote for Obama if they weren't running. Not so. The f#cking Democrats don't own my vote, I do. And if Nader or McKinney were excluded from the ballot, I would write in Donald Duck before I would vote for Obama.
Lobo Gris
Lobo, I don't care who you vote for---actually, scratch that, I hope you vote McCain. I think he probably represents you best.
It's a good point Nathan, that exposes the utter disregard for reality that the 3rd-partiers have. Oh well. It's good there are dreamers out there i guess.
There’s no excuse for allowing the collapse of the U.S. economy to happen.
No amnesty, no pardons.
Pursue the Bush administration beyond January 20 until they are brought to justice.
FREE AMERICA
REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY
Way to stick it to the middle class George!
Excellent article that is right on point. The problem is (as the author recognizes) a public that depends on the corporate controlled media for their information. As a result of this campaign of sophisticated misinformation, the public will yet again fall into the trap of voting for one of the two corporate parties. Unless Ralph wins, I believe we will witness the final dissolution of the American middle class during the next decade.
We must take to the streets with the slogan "Anyone except a Democrat or a Republican!". We must pillory any candidate who doesn't denounce laissez-faire capitalism, unregulated free trade or the military industrial complex. We must demand universal, government funded health-care for everyone, mandatory unions for any multi-national corporation employees and a movement to replace small time drug offenders in our over crowded, for-profit prisons with corporate CEO's and corrupt politicians. The failure to derail the public on this runaway corporate freight train is a million times more important than defending ourselves from these vague and surreal threats of 'global terrorism'. The global terrorists are in D.C. and anything short of an electoral revolution this November, will be a tragedy for democracy that we may not recover from.
the american taxpayers are finding out that the sap cub has a lot more members than they might have thought
the fascist coup is almost done now
i found it hilarious that bernanke has cautioned against helping out the ordinary citizens in this latest taxpayers rape
as his chariot was thundering down wall street he was heard to shout:
fuck 'em
cheers, b
Am I correct in understanding that there is no law requiring payment of federal taxes?
There was a good documentary from Aaron Russo that goes into the question. I forget the name---something about American fascism... He died mysteriously just after release...
Yeah, but they'll still lock you up. Better to quit working and not pay income taxes...
The task at hand is immense. It is to get people voting for people like Ralph Nader. Are we getting closer?.....................lizard
Bernie Sanders seem to be the only voice of reason in that entire mess. His suggestion that if a Corporation becomes too big to fail, then said corporation is to big to exist is bang on and actions of a Bank Of America, wherein they buy up all these failing institutions bodes ill for the future.
The essense of this whole fiasco is this. Crooks and Charlaytans cooked up schemes where they could create money out of nothing by packaging up DEBT as commodities and finding suckers to buy them
Suckers bought them until they learned the true nature of said peices of paper, namely that they were worthless.
The schemers and Charlatans could no longer sell the toxic paper. People were refusing to buy it. They run to the Government with hands out.
The Government designs a bailout package which FORCES the taxpayers of America to buy this crap.
Perhaps they should consider boosting the top marginal tax rate back to 91 percent. If these crooks are going to use the taxpayers money to earn an income, then that money should all go back to the taxpayer.
Alan MacDonald
Absolutely superb article by Glenn Greenwald, which factually and emotionally captures what may be the pivotal moment in US history, when the previously disguised ruling-elite corporatist/financial Empire hiding behind this two-party facade of 'Vichy' government and fully controlling the entire political economy of our former democratic nation-state has decided, in audacious hubris and utter contempt for even this thin veil of democracy, to step forth, publicly in the town square media and literally demand to get away with massive 'in your face' looting of our commonwealth.
If this arrogant elitist Empire is not slapped down, drawn, and quartered then we are no sons of the American Revolution against the similarly arrogant and tyrannical British political/economic Empire.
As Glenn perfectly captures:
"What is more intrinsically corrupt than allowing people to engage in high-reward/no-risk capitalism -- where they reap tens of millions of dollars and more every year while their reckless gambles are paying off only to then have the Government shift their losses to the citizenry at large once their schemes collapse? We've retroactively created a win-only system where the wealthiest corporations and their shareholders are free to gamble for as long as they win and then force others who have no upside to pay for their losses. Watching Wall St. erupt with an orgy of celebration on Friday after it became clear the Government (i.e., you) would pay for their disaster was literally nauseating, as the very people who wreaked this havoc are now being rewarded.
More amazingly, they're free to walk away without having to disgorge their gains; at worst, they're just "forced" to walk away without any further stake in the gamble. How can these bailouts not at least be categorically conditioned on the disgorgement of ill-gotten gains from those who are responsible? The mere fact that shareholders might lose their stake going forward doesn't resolve that concern; why should those who so fantastically profited from these schemes they couldn't support walk away with their gains? This is "redistribution of wealth" and "government takeover of industry" on the grandest scale imaginable -- the buzzphrases that have been thrown around for decades to represent all that is evil and bad in the world. That's all this is; it's not an "investment" by the Government in any real sense but just a magical transfer of losses away from those who are responsible for these losses to those who aren't.
What's most vital to underscore is that the beneficiaries of this week's extraordinary Government schemes aren't just the coincidental recipients of largesse due to some random stroke of good luck. The people on whose behalf these schemes are being implemented -- the true beneficiaries -- are the very same people who have been running and owning our Government -- both parties -- for decades, which is why they have been able to do what they've been doing without interference. They were able to gamble without limit because they control the Government, and now they're having others bear the brunt of their collapse for the same reason -- because the Government is largely run for their benefit."
and:
"What's probably most amazing of all is the contrast between how gargantuan all of this is and the complete absence of debate or disagreement over what's taking place. It's not just that, as usual, Democrats and Republicans are embracing the same core premises ("this is regrettable but necessary"). It's that there's almost no real discussion of what happened, who is responsible, and what the consequences are. It's basically as though the elite class is getting together and discussing this all in whispers, coordinating their views, and releasing just enough information to keep the stupid masses content and calm.
"There's virtually no discussion of that in America's dominant media outlets. All one hears is that everything that is happening is necessary to save us all from economic doom. And what's most amazing about that is that the Natural, Unchallenged Consensus That Nobody Questions can shift drastically in a matter of days and still nobody questions anything.
The way it works is that Bush officials decree how things will be, and then everyone -- from Congressional Democrats to the Serious Pundits -- jump uncritically and obediently on board, even if they were on board with the complete opposite approach just days earlier, and then all real dissent vanishes. That's how the country in general works. "We've seen this game played before."
YES --- in the rush to war in Iraq!!!
Wait. I don't want to take the edge off the financial 9/11 that we are now facing, or the proposed "solutions" that will inevitably ping back on us the taxpayers. But I am sincerely wondering if we are seeing this from the proper perspective. And that is from the perspective of the scientific and intentional demolition of the "old age" so that they can make room for the "new age." And this is where IT, Information Technology, comes in.
I won't go into much detail here, but just to whet your appetite, consider the following. A few years ago the Pentagon began casually announcing missing trillions of dollars from their treasury. They said they had no idea where the money went to. Everybody yawned and went back to sleep. Each year consecutively the figure kept escalating: $.8 trillion, $1.6 trillion, $2.4 trillion. That's about when Cynthia McKinney confronted the Defense committee on national TV with the obvious question "Where'd the money go?"
A year later the figure had ballooned to some $3.2 trillion dollars of our taxpayer money missing from the Pentagon treasury and Cynthia confronted them again on national TV. "We don't know," was the reply, "But we need another $200 million dollars of taxpayer money to hire consultants TO LOOK THROUGH THE COMPUTERS TO FIND THE MONEY." They never found the money and never will. They took it?
Same with the Diebold and Sequoia computerized ballot boxes. You know the ones where they can't figure out a way to print a paper receipt so you have a hard copy for audit trail? I think it was Robert Kennedy Jr. who published extensive investigative reviews of these ballot systems and clearly showed huge discrepancies between exit polls and the computer boxes. Elections are now decided by non-auditable, privately owned computer companies that nobody can audit under intellectual property protection guaranteed by the Supreme Court. Did anybody care? Not many. Both parties yawned again and went back to planning their next purchase of some cruise line, or whatever their buying up these days.
The point? In both cases -- and many more -- the corporatacracy is ruling us by scientific fiat. Everybody seems to look to these guys like their gods or something, and that we have to accept the numbers they hand down by faith. This is nuts. And is getting worse.
And now the financial 9/11. Same problem. The numbers are cooked inside computers and the public is not allowed to look inside. Our republic has been taken away from us and given over to insiders who belong to a scientific dictatorship of the global elite. Fortunately we can do something about this.
Here's a suggestion for starters. When it comes time to vote, sit down with your election commission and demand a paper audit trail for your vote BEFORE the election. If they can't manage that and blame the technology, you know you have a very serious underlying problem -- what I call sillyConValley. The antidote is to set up your own exit poll and publish it in real time on YouTube and make sure the public can see that the ballot system is a fraud. If we can accomplish that we have taken the first step in taking back our republic. If we can NOT accomplish that I seriously doubt we will ever resurrect either our finances or our republic.
". . . among the best investigative journalists money can't buy."
Alan MacDonald
This fear-based bum's-rush to act first and delay thinking is so clearly a sequel of the Iraq war sales pitch, PR, propaganda, back-stage secret and false information, and outright lies --- and it has so clearly been preplanned by the exact same ruling-elite corporatist Empire that is hiding behind its facade of a two-party 'Vichy' government, which is now Empire, not democracy.
Look at the comparisons between the application of the fear-based shock capitalism and imperial militarism (at home and abroad) between the bum's-rush on attacking Iraq and the bum's-rush attacking the US Treasury of our 'commonwealth'.
* Urgency:
In the selling of the fear-induced absolute need to preemptively attack Iraq first, because debate and any serious thought could be a delay that would be existential and cause unthinkable damage to Americans, the Iraq war pitch was "we can't wait for the smoking-gun to turn out to be a nukular bomb" (repeated without any proof, and with shocking threats to the Congress, media, and people hundreds of times by Bush, Cheney, Rice, etc.).
Whereas in the fear-induced absolute need to preemptively bailout Wall Street first because debate and any serious thought could be a delay that would be existential and cause unthinkable damage to Americans, this 'financial war' pitch was "we can't wait for any debate about blame or regulation to prevent this in the future --- we've only got days before total financial meltdown" (repeated without any proof, and with shocking threats to the Congress, media, and people hundreds of times by Paulson --- since nobody sane would trust now Bush or Cheney).
* The danger is already in place and we have clear (but secret) proof of the present danger:
"We know from all intelligence that Saddam aided the terrorists, and had tried to buy 'yellow-cake' from Niger".
"I've been in Congress 28 years and when secretary Paulson briefed 15 of us about this crisis 'all the oxygen left the room' and we were silent".
* Projected costs:
"Iraq itself will be able to finance our own liberation of them with their oil profits".
"The $700 billion funding will only be 'a purchase of assets' and the orderly sale of those assets will later repay much or all of the costs".
[Of course, if the ratio and escalation of the initial cost estimates by the same corporate/political liars about the Iraq war compared to its actual final cost is applied to Paulson's vague suggestion of "not more than $700 billion" for the Wall Street 'bailout', then the best estimate would be, as kids used to say, “all the money in China”, ie. $10 to $20 trillion.
* Duration:
"Mission accomplished" (May 2003 ----- still in denial and quagmire in 2009)
"This new agency will report in three months and the authority only needs to be temporary until the housing market recovers."
Keep thinking about similar striking comparisons between the lying 'rush to action' in the Iraq war and the financial war --- I'm sure we'll all be able to add many more examples.
[Of course the 'surge' years after the first Treasury 'bailout' will certainly be 'bailout II', 'bailout III' etc. as Paulson, Rubin or whoever uses un-Constitutional and illegal powers to take successive Trillions from the Americans, by using corporate computers -- just as Bush has spied on all Americans with Telcom computers.]
This whole domestic financial 'smash and grab' heist was clearly planned well before the final days of the Bush/Cheney regime ---- probably because the ruling-elite corporate/financial Empire hiding behind this facade of a two-party 'Vichy' government had not been as successful in its Iraq war oily 'smash and grab' as they expected.
"America's Own Kleptocracy
By MICHAEL HUDSON (Counterpunch):
"This has to be orchestrated well in advance. It is necessary to buy politicians and give them a plausible cover story (or at least a well-crafted set of poll-tested euphemisms) to explain to voters just why it was in the public interest to bail out gamblers. Good rhetoric is needed to explain why the government should let them go into a casino and let them keep all their winnings while using public funds to make good on the losses of their counterparties.
What happened on September 18-19 took years of preparation, capped by a faux ideology crafted by public-relations think tanks to be broadcast under emergency conditions to panic Congress – and voters – right before the presidential election."
http://www.counterpunch.org/hudson09202008.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn09202008.html
amacd,
Your public knowledge supporting points to Greenwalds excellent article is like adding more wooden stakes into the hearts of innocent citizens rather than the true vampires. It isn't your fault. The obvious questionable conduct, amounting to conspiracy to extort, defraud and engage in negligent and sedititious financial activity, will further undermine the rule of law.
As this erosion continues, the pressure points in society become ever more unable to absorb "Pain." When people just put the keys in the mailbox or leave them on the kitchen counter and walk away, without regard for the future it becomes irrational. This behavior is antithetical to 'family.' For one it is an immature response. Secondly, it illustrates a homeowner unprepared to negotiate when leverage is essentially being given. It is easier to avoid a situation than to meet it with maturity.
I know there are people who suffered unethical mortgage salespeople. I also know that people were fully prepared to walk if this occurred. Real Estate is cyclic in this economy, but manipulated by politics, just like education. The common family man's cynical perception extended into the schemes of investors. Can anyone blame them. I read both mortgage contracts and deeds of trust for the only two houses and property I have lived in. There was no negotiation on the lender's part when I expressed dissatisfaction with a section, say, on mineral rights. But when a financial collapse is occurring then by definition it becomes another story. AND THIS is the fallacy being shoved down our throats along with the trillions of dollars.
This act is criminal intent as much as the telecom/Bush cabal immunity. It is the king urinating on the subjects head.
Alan MacDonald
Dogleg, the only "mature" and "rational" response to Empire (and its "Pain") is to expunge Empire.
What we face is an Empire problem both domestically and abroad, and as Hannah Arendt presciently warned in the Nazi Empire era, "Empire abroad (always) entails tyranny at home".
The 'mature' approach to Empire is not to hunker down and endure more pain -- but to revolt and excise the cancer that is Empire ---- since, as Raul Julia explained to Redford about the Bastista empire's tyranny in "Havana", "they will not leave by asking nicely."
This is the same truth that America's founding fathers accepted as the "mature", "rational", and courageous response to the British Empire's political AND economic tyranny -- the original American Revolution.
Today the American Revolution must be continued to include political AND economic democracy in the face of this more guileful disguised global 'corporatist Empire' which currently fully controls our former nation-state behind the facade of its two-party 'Vichy' government.
What we have learned in the last hundred years is that elitist Empire can not be controlled only by establishing political democracy --- because it is the Economics of Empire that is at the heart of this cancer to democracy.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_alan_mac_070319__22economics_of_empire.htm
Great article Glenn Greenwald. We shouldn't just stand by while this is happening. But I fear we will.
. . . whatever else is true, the events of the last week are the most momentous events of the Bush era in terms of defining what kind of country we are and how we function -
The United States used to be a chain of Goodwill thrift stores but the graduates of the Jack Abramoff Academy of Pimps, dressed in black trench coats and black fedoras, moved in and told the do-gooders running the operation to take their offer of 2 cents on the dollar for the whole thing, or get a bullet in the head. They took immediate advantage of this business opportunity. Now, the United States has a flashy new store front with neon signs and scantily clad women out front and inside you can buy knockoffs made in Zimbabwe and used items for prices beginning as low as $950. Business is lights out. In the back rooms men are counting money. They are sweating heavily because money makes them sweat.
LOL. You're so good, man! I love it.
'Leave aside for the moment whether this gargantuan nationalization/bailout scheme is "necessary"'
No, Mr. Greenwald, we are not leaving aside the question of the bailout's necessity. We're clearing all the other clutter off the table and placing that question dead center. The bailout must not be allowed. Let the Friedmanite capitalist ship SINK ASAP. Meeting ajourned.
I agree and then we should deport the financier class. Lets start over with an economy based on local organic agriculture, local town meeting based true direct democracy with justice for everyone in our local communities, co-ops (google Mondragon), small businessmen and corporations with strong unions and limited charters tying therm to their local communities. Revoke corporate person hood and no more foreclosures. Greens and paleo-cons unite, populist revolt NOW!
Exactly what needs to be done. It's just so simple that we keep arguing over the insignificant details.
Lets not loose sight of OUR plan.
Why do democrats fall for this garbage? They have no spine and we wind up hurt. I agree that we can not have "free (sic) market" ideology ruling this debate. I agree with others: NO BAILOUT!!! Not without huge safeguards and concessions to ordinary people and real consequences for all that got us in to this mess through their greed, deregulation, and unethical behavior.
Why do they fall for this garbage? WHY? Are you for REAL? They are part and parcel of this.
Even in the days of FDR, the Democrats were never trained to think for themselves or the people they supposedly represent. Nowadays, like the voters, they are easily framed to vote against their own base. Until the Democrats think outside the "conservative" mentality and reframe the debates, not even a depression 1000 times worse than the last one will give them a winning edge.
Frank: I guess you're assuming that any of us will have jobs and "income" to pay Taxes on, and that we will still actually "pay" taxes.
Oregoncharles: I'd like to see "The People" in charge for a change.
When "The Party" tells you that you are going to get a royal screwing... you know it's for your own good. They never lie about things like that.
Sorry, choice is not an option.
Now, just relax... it'll all be over in a few decades.
If "the taxpayers" knew the numbers, they'd be rioting in the streets.
Every $1 trillion "our" government "spends" to "save" their friends translates to $8000 per taxpayer (rounded up, based on 130 million taxpayers. Ignore the 'per citizen" numbers - non-taxpayers are not relevant.)
So far, just this year, "our" government has promised their friends over $3 trillion of taxpayer money (that we actually know of.)
That's $24,000 per taxpayer, whose average income is $32,000/year - leaving the average taxpayer with a net-of-gross of $8000K for 08. Minus taxes at, say, a medium 25% (of $32K=$7000,) and, this year, the average taxpayer will take home an astounding $1000, or about 80 bucks a month.
How many taxpayers voted to give AIG, Fannie, Fredie, and the rest basically their entire year's earnings as a thank you for robbing us blind?
Of course, add in another $8K for the Pentagon ($1 trillion budget,) another $8K for Iraq/Afghanistan ($1 trillion spent so far,) and another $24K to cover the $3 trillion 08 Fed budget...
And every taxpayer is on the hook - this year only, remember - for at least $64,000 apiece, or twice the average income.
Toss in each taxpayer's share of the National Debt, now approaching $10 trillion, or another $80,000 per tp... for a total of $144,000, or nearly 5 years worth of the average taxpayer's income.
These are the real, raw and painful numbers that need to be shouted to every sucker - er, I mean taxpayer - in America RIGHT NOW. Maybe then We The People might finally wake the f**k up and revolt somehow...
"First, the fact that Democrats are on board with this scheme means absolutely nothing. When it comes to things the Bush administration wants, Congressional Democrats don't say "no" to anything. They say "yes" to everything. That's what they're for.
They say "yes" regardless of whether they understand what they're endorsing. They say "yes" regardless of whether they've been told even the most basic facts about what they're being told to endorse. They say "yes" anytime doing so is politically less risky than saying "no," which is essentially always and is certainly the case here. They say "yes" whenever the political establishment -- meaning establishment media outlets and the corporate class that funds them -- wants them to say "yes," which is the case here."
Both Obama & Biden are "Congressional Democrats." Biden, in particular, is known for being utterly beholden to Wall Street: is his choice at this time a coincidence? And Obama has raised huge sums from Wall Street (concealed in all those "individual donations.")
The big ball is about to drop. Who do you want in charge?
Oregoncharles
It sure will not be someone with the letter R after their names. even after the strawberries incident and the ball bearing rolling around in his hand, I'm sure there were a number on his crew that supported captain Queeg. We have had president Queeg for nearly 8 years and much of the crew have supported him out of loyalty or fear. A very small group has had the nerve and wisdom to want to throw him overboard, but have been impeded by crew and passengers.
At this "big ball dropping moment" we have two real choices McCain/Palin = R = loyal crew = incomprehensible in a reasoned analysis. That leaves Obama/Biden. there is no magic solution and any idea that things will magically get better any time soon after Jan 09.
the metaphor to consider is captain McCain has tried to support President Queeg no matter how many icebergs, debris and cliffs he has run the ship into. Captain Obama at least sounds like he might begin to steer the ship 2 - 5 degrees away from a course that has been headed toward a dense iceberg field under Queeg and his loyal crew. we are looking at biasing versus a locked course.
Ships do no make right turns so I believe discipline away from naiveté and the desire (desperation) for instant results will help us make a wise choice at the polls. Voting is an important thing to do and not voting for McCain/Palin is a wise rejection. We need Obama in the white house to begin the course correction. doing anything else seems low minded and ignorant (the root of which is "ignore"... some neo cons may be educated intellectuals, but are hopelessly ignorant).
If anyone wants to do some research and extra reading, examine the US economy and financial markets from 1927 - 1930. You will find press, analysis, govt. positions, activities of big players, proposed & applied "remedies" to market weaknesses, etc. that lead up to the 29 crash. at a time when sequels are regularly released in Hollywood, we seem to be eerily acting from the same script in the sequel to that time.
Roosevelt performed some Herculean and Plutonian tasks in the effort to heal from the disaster. If he missed something at a time it could have been folded into policy, it was a fully supported healthcare system that would have dove tailed with the creation with social security. (the WPA, too, was "outside the box" long before the term appeared as part of our lexicon.)
I was just talking with a money manager and financial advisor. We swapped ideas about financial ecology and the laws of physics in connection with viewing the current challenges and possible approaches to solutions. McCain is largely clueless about everything that is going on in this "ecological" scenario and, by definition, it would be very dangerous to let him get too close to the machinery if we are going to find good, wise and long lasting solutions.
At this point, we have no choice but to elect Obama and his team (team: consider those who surround him and you find a few respected visionaries with practical understanding... McCain’s Phil Gram would look like a natural history museum exhibit by comparison). consider, also, the power and organization that Obama and team created in building a campaign machine that out paced the prodigious Clinton political skill - no matter the brilliance and effectiveness of the Clintons. And he is a black guy with an exotic name in a jingoistic and prejudicial society. yet here he is.
Speaking of history, you might research the difficulty and pressures upon Jackie Robinson when he moved from the negro leagues to the dodgers. he not only had to be a good ball player, in effect he had to be the best who was playing the game at the time - or nearly so - to play on the same field with white guys. He could not make mistakes, speak no harsh words, could not retaliate against revolting behavior of whites. I believe, as many, that Obama is one of the best politicians and probable leaders we have seen in this recent era in American history and he is not getting much credit for it in the media. He is analyzed closely, criticized moronically, while the white POW gets a pass constantly.
Such is life in America where mythology trumps reality; where God bless America as spoken as entitlement rather than petition for intercession; where we think we are the greatest group of people who walk the globe, yet find torture and other heinous acts by our citizens acceptable "depending upon the circumstance" and we hide our history of prejudice, misogyny, genocide, and other embarrassing aspects of our history in the family closet of skeletons.
America is certainly beautiful and ethical (all to the best of their flawed abilities) philosopher-forefathers, but our national anthem still has bombs bursting in air and other references to war as part of the mindset that this is what makes us the country we are.
Oh, bullsh*t. This crisis is completely bipartisan, and you are just pimping for Democrats here. It's laughable to speak of making "a wise choice at the polls." The polls are not capable of resolving this crisis, since both parties are full partners in the crimes that have brought us to where we stand today. People should not be encouraged to prolong their illusions that "the polls" can solve anything. On the contrary, they should face up to the fact that the system is fundamentally rotten, and must be overthrown. (No, I'm not suggesting any violent action. I've explained elsewhere what I mean by "overthrown.")
Obama is a mealy-mouthed zero. No one should have the slightest faith in him. He aspires to become emperor of a rotten unjust system. He aims to govern on behalf of the same ruling class that Bush has served. You say he "...sounds like he might begin to steer the ship 2-5 degrees away from..." the course under Bush. That's right, but those 2-5 degrees will amount to simply a reduction in the general level of recklessness. It won't represent the slightest shift in terms of who benefits, and who loses. The ruling class will not be asked to relinquish the slightest bit of their privilege; US military aggression will continue unabated; and NO ONE will be held accountable for the outrageous crimes of the last 8 years.
Anyone who still believes in Obama and the Coward-o-crats should just watch what happens in the next 4 days. Just watch, while the Coward-o-crats lie down on their backs, and give Paulson every last thing he's demanding.
ding! Haven't they already given it all? What's left? (no pun intended)
Nothing positive to say about anyone or anything----Hate! HATE! HATE!!!!
This is NOT completely bipartisan! The R's, (which you always seem to passionately cover for) have ALWAYS been against government regulation. This is a direct result of the vaunted republican philosophy. These last 8 years we've seen them use fear and intimidation to get what they want. This bailout is a desperate ploy to get bipartisan COVER for destroying the economy. IF the Democrats were smart they'd say no---but I'm afraid they're not---and that's the worst you can say about them.
>>IF the Democrats were smart they'd say no---but I'm afraid they're not---and that's the worst you can say about them.
Oh my....madcow, despite advocating voting for one of them, admits they are stupid. Is hell freezing?
"Vote stupid" <----madcow's bumper sticker
I think madcow knows by now that there is plenty worse you can say about them.
You know where you can put your idiotic sarcasm?
Oh My! Ah Ha! madcow said this--oooh! she's really stupid....Gotcha!!!
Grow -up.