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The Right's Conspiracy Theory Attack on Frances Fox Piven
Sociologist Frances Fox Piven often gets requests from students who want to interview her about her political theories and activism. So when Kyle Olson phoned her in January, told her he was a college student in Michigan, and asked if he could videotape an interview with her about her recent book Challenging Authority: How Ordinary People Change America, Piven agreed.
Glenn Beck frequently attacks Frances Fox Piven's 1966 article in The Nation magazine that she co-authored with Richard Cloward, which the Fox News host regularly blames for many of America's problems, including the current financial crisis. "Can you think of anything sillier than to attribute the financial crisis to an article in a low-circulation magazine in 1966?" She calls Beck's efforts to find an easy "scapegoat" for the country's troubles typical of "right-wing ideologues." Temporarily housebound and recovering from an auto accident, the 77-year old Piven invited Olson to her New York apartment. On February 1, Olson and a friend arrived from Michigan with a video camera. Piven offered them something to drink. Then, for about an hour, she and Olson sat at her round dining room table and talked about everything from the founding fathers to Fox News, while the friend taped them.
After Olson and his friend left her apartment, Piven didn't think much about the interview. "This was so commonplace," she said later, "that it didn't strike me as especially important." She recalled thinking that, "Students these days use cameras to 'write' term papers. It didn't seem unusual that he wanted to use a video."
Two weeks later, Piven, a professor at the City University of New York and former president of the American Sociological Association, learned that about eight minutes of the taped interview appeared in three segments on Big Government, Andrew Breitbart's conservative news website. The same outlet achieved national prominence last year when it published James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles' highly edited but hugely destructive hidden-camera recordings of ACORN employees. And the same website became infamous when O'Keefe was arrested in January for allegedly trying to tamper with the phone system in Sen. Mary Landrieu's New Orleans office as part of another "investigation," while on Breitbart's payroll. Now, Olson and Breitbart have employed these same "gotcha" tactics on Piven.
Olson is not a college student. He is a 31-year-old Republican Party operative, conservative activist, and would-be journalist. He runs a Michigan-based conservative advocacy organization, the Education Action Group (EAG), which primarily attacks teachers unions.
The real reason for Olson's interview with Piven was a 1966 article in The Nation magazine that she co-authored with Richard Cloward, "A Strategy to End Poverty," which has become the centerpiece of a right-wing conspiracy theory. Olson no doubt hoped to trap Piven into saying something outrageous to confirm the Right's view that the article is the blueprint for a radical takeover of American society.
The segments of Olson's video interview with Piven posted on BigGovernment featured no major revelations about America's imminent mass socialist uprising. In one snippet, Piven remarks that Thomas Jefferson "would be stunned by the oligarchical character of American society." She also comments that when wealth and power become too concentrated, society needs a "corrective period of people rising," as they did during the Depression and the 1960s.
In another segment, Piven remarks that the current wave of foreclosures could trigger mass protest. Most families facing foreclosure and eviction leave their homes, Piven explains, but if "millions of people refuse to go along with foreclosure procedures and refuse to pay off those mortgages that are under water," and do it with "pride and audacity," political leaders would have to respond by making it harder for banks to evict families, as happened during the Depression. Spliced between Piven's observations is footage of ACORN activists removing locks from a foreclosed home and moving the evicted family back in.
In the third video clip, Olson asks Piven about Glenn Beck's persistent attacks on her Nation article, which the Fox News host regularly blames for many of America's problems, including the current financial crisis. "Can you think of anything sillier than to attribute the financial crisis to an article in a low-circulation magazine in 1966?" She calls Beck's efforts to find an easy "scapegoat" for the country's troubles typical of "right-wing ideologues."
In their 6,327-word Nation article, Cloward (a professor at the Columbia University School of Social Work at the time ) and Piven (an anti-poverty researcher and activist who joined the Columbia faculty later that year), proposed organizing the poor to demand welfare benefits in order to pressure the federal government to expand the nation's social safety net and establish a guaranteed national income. To put their strategy into practice, Cloward and Piven worked with George Wiley to create the National Welfare Rights Organization, which at its peak in the late 1960s had affiliates in 60 cities and had some success increasing participation in the federal Aid to Families with Dependent Children program by organizing protests at welfare offices and pressuring politicians and welfare administrators to change the rules.
Because it focused exclusively on welfare recipients, however, NWRO's narrow constituency base guaranteed that it would remain a marginal force in the nation's politics. In 1970, NWRO organizer Wade Rathke moved to Arkansas to start ACORN, which he hoped would build a broader multi-racial movement for economic justice. In its early days, Cloward (who died in 2001) and Piven served as unofficial advisers to the group. ACORN eventually grew into the nation's largest community organizing group, with chapters in 103 cities in 37 states.
Cloward and Piven soon concluded that a successful anti-poverty movement had to combine grassroots protest with electoral politics. During the Reagan years in the early 1980s, they wrote a widely-read book, Why Americans Don't Vote, which examined deliberate efforts throughout the 20th century to deny the franchise to immigrants, the poor, and African Americans. They also used their contacts among unions, community groups, and social workers to help build a movement to expand voting among the poor. Their idea led to the National Voter Registration Act, usually called the "motor voter" law, which President Clinton signed in 1993, at a White House ceremony at which Piven spoke and received one of the president's pens.
Cloward and Piven were obviously committed to combining scholarship and activism. Not surprisingly, conservatives have been attacking their ideas for decades. But the demonization of the couple by the extreme Right has escalated since Obama's election.
A few weeks after Obama's victory, James Simpson penned an article for the right-wing American Thinker entitled, "Cloward-Piven Government," describing their "malevolent strategy for destroying our economy and our system of government." The right-wing echo chamber has transformed the duo into Marxist Machiavellis whose ideas have not only spawned an interlocking radical movement dedicated to destroying modern-day capitalism but also, in their minds at least, almost succeeded, as evidenced by what they consider Obama's "socialist" agenda
Conservative radio jockeys Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin have, on multiple occasions, warned their listeners about the nefarious sociologists. "The Cloward-Piven strategy is essentially what Obama and a number of these people are following," Limbaugh told his listeners on December 18, "and its ultimate objective is to have everybody in the country on welfare, by destroying it."
Conservative journalist Stanley Kurtz has been digging into Piven's papers, held at Smith College, looking to connect the dots between the prolific professor and left-wing movements. His articles in the Wall Street Journal, National Review, and the New York Post fed anti-ACORN talking points to the right-wing echo chamber and the McCain campaign, including the absurd notion that ACORN's advocacy to make banks more socially responsible, and its support for the Community Reinvestment Act, led to the nation's financial crisis.
FrontPage editor David Horowitz called Cloward and Piven the "architects" of "radical change." Other right-wing outlets, including American Spectator, The Washington Times, The American Thinker, Free Republic, NewsMax, and WorldNetDaily, have all educated their audiences about how the Cloward-Piven has infected society like a dangerous left-wing virus.
Beck first mentioned the so-called "Cloward-Piven Strategy" in March 2009, three months after he began his nightly Fox News show, and 32 times since. On September 18, he used his trademark chalkboard to connect Cloward and Piven to Woodrow Wilson, Che Guevara, Bill Ayers, ACORN, the SEIU, the Apollo Alliance, the Tides Foundation, George Soros, Van Jones, Valerie Jarrett, and Obama -- some of the right's favorite villains.
Beck, like his right-wing colleagues, view Cloward and Piven as dangerous radicals masquerading as reformers. Earlier this month, Beck claimed that SDS, the 1960s radical student group, believed the road to change was "Let's blow things up," but Cloward and Piven counseled, "No, no, no, let's try to just collapse the system."
Last Thursday, Beck said that Obama's health care proposal followed the Cloward-Piven strategy to "melt the system down and have it collapse into a new system."
At February's Tea Party convention, WorldNetDaily editor Joseph Farah devoted eight minutes of his 38-minute keynote speech to fulminating about what he called Cloward and Piven's "manifesto."
The duo's work with NWRO led to increasing welfare costs that "brought New York City to its knees" in the 1970s," Farah said. He correctly linked Cloward and Piven's ideas to various efforts to get more poor people to vote . Then he drew a direct line between the couple and one such effort, Project Vote in Chicago, which once hired a young law school graduate named Obama. Farah also repeated the inaccurate canard that ACORN was involved in widespread voter fraud. He told the Tea Party crowd that Cloward and Piven's ideas have influenced Democratic Party prescriptions since George McGovern's 1972 presidential candidacy.
Obama's purpose, Farah said, is to "increase misery and create crises." That, according to Farah, is an "old trick" that was "codified by a Marxist Columbia professor and his research assistant" [sic] -- a strategy of "orchestrated crises."
"Obama is still employing the Cloward-Piven strategy, not as a community organizer but today as the community organizer in chief," Farah explained. "He's still creating crises as a means of empowerment" -- right out of the Cloward-Piven playbook.
"Nothing's changed" since Cloward and Piven first penned their article, Farah said. "With Obama, everything is a crisis. Carbon dioxide levels. The banking industry. The automobile industry. The health care system. And especially the economy. He's going to fix all of them, he promises. How? By turning make-believe crises into real crises."
"The goal remains the same as when it was first outlined in 1966," Farah said. "It is, as the Marxists of the 1960s and early 1970s explained, to heighten the contradictions of capitalism. Bring the system to its knees, and ultimately to collapse."
It isn't clear whether these conservative rabble-rousers actually believe what they preach about the Cloward-Piven strategy, or simply use it to whip up their followers' anger and resentments. What's obvious is that this tactic is intended to discredit Obama's liberal policy agenda and to destroy the progressive movement that pushes the president and the Democratic Party to be bolder, as they did in the recent health-care battle.
This maneuver is hardly new. As far back as Joseph McCarthy and Richard Nixon, Republican politicians and hired strategists -- like Murray Chotiner, Ed Meese, Michael Deaver, Karl Rove, Pat Buchanan and Frank Luntz -- have perfected the art of linking liberal Democrats to communists, socialists, radicals, subversives, "welfare queens," and terrorists. These ideas might seem crazy, but they are, like Roger Ailes, the communications guru for Nixon, Reagan, and George H. W. Bush, and now Glenn Beck's boss, crazy like Fox News.
It is this world of right-wing opinion-shapers to which Olson aspires. After graduating from Michigan State University in 2001, Olson worked as a lobbyist for the Michigan Association of Realtors, and then served as district director and campaign manager for a Republican state Senator. In 2006, Olson lost his own campaign for a seat on the Muskegon County Board of Commissioners. He was also a member of Michigan's Republican State Committee.
Olson's family is in the right-wing propaganda business. His brother Ryan was the Director of Education Policy for the Mackinac Center for Public Policy, one of the earliest state-level conservative advocacy groups, funded by right-wing businesses and foundations.
Kyle joined the family business in 2007 when he and another conservative activist started EAG. It originally served as a platform for Olson to write op-ed columns and get quoted in the Michigan media for his crusade against the Michigan Education Association as well as the nation's two largest teachers' unions, the National Education Association and the American Federation of Teachers. One of its ploys was to put up billboards across Michigan that identified MEA staff members and their salaries. But Olson soon revealed his broader conservative agenda. For example, EAG's political arm (the Education Action Fund) recently paid for a billboard that attacked Rep. Mary Valentine, a Democratic candidate for the state Senate, as a supporter of partial-birth abortions.
Being anti-union and anti-abortion are mainstay positions for Republican Party activists like Olson. But Olson has branched out beyond the conservative GOP mainstream. He's joined the lunatic fringe, using his camera and computer to sniff out the left-wing Marxist conspiracy. Indeed, Greg Steimel, a researcher for the Michigan Education Association who has followed Olson's career , calls him a "Glenn Beck wannabe."
On his own website, Olson brags that he appeared on Beck's program on July 29, 2009 "to discuss his rare (if not first-ever) video interview with ACORN founder Wade Rathke and the SEIU/ACORN connection to the proposed government takeover of health care." Olson created ACORNcracked, one of several right-wing anti-ACORN websites that has emerged in recent years to fulminate against the community organizing group. His website also proudly declares that "Glenn Beck cited Kyle's work on both December 11, 2009 and December 14, 2009 regarding political consultant Robert Creamer and his influence over health care reform." Olson has contributed seven pieces on Breitbart's BigGovernment website, ranting about ACORN, SEIU president Andy Stern, and Obama.
Olson manipulated his way into Piven's home hoping to entrap her into saying something outrageous that he could use to further his own career. Clearly he aspired to be the next James O'Keefe, who became a right-wing celebrity for his anti-ACORN videos, but whose recent arrest in New Orleans for breaking into Sen. Mary Landrieu's office has destroyed his own credibility.
Unlike O'Keefe, however, Olson's Piven tapes have thus far produced no mainstream controversy. That's because, watching Piven answer his questions, most viewers would be hard-pressed to disagree with her basic analysis of America's current condition. Big corporations have too much power. The concentration of wealth has gotten out of hand. Only an outraged and organized movement for change among the poor and the middle class is likely to bring about the reforms we need.
Piven admits to being "unnerved" by what she now realizes was Olson's lying in order to get her to agree to the interview.
"He made no impression on me. He didn't say anything about himself -- and I didn't ask. Maybe I should have been more curious. Perhaps I should have wondered why he'd drive all the way from Michigan, just for an interview."
"He interviewed me under false pretenses," Piven says. "If I'd known he was a right-wing operative, I wouldn't have let him into my apartment. I might have talked to him in my office or over the phone."
Contacted by phone at his Michigan office, Olson hung up as soon as he was asked about his interview with Piven. When called again for comment, his colleague, Steve Gunn, answered for him. "He doesn't have any interest in talking with you. He doesn't care anything about you," Gunn said. "If you call again, I'll call 911. You have a miserable day."
A shorter version of this article appeared in the American Prospect magazine.



57 Comments so far
Show AllI recommend Piven's book Challenging Authority. There is a thorough section listing movement tactics that is the best I've seen.
After health care reform passage the extreme right knows no limits in its rage.
FF Piven is a very familiar academic resource to me, I must have cited her hundreds of times. She is a lifeline to the form of social work that is authentically empowerment-based and activist-oriented.
Her theories/perspectives are rarely manifested in the practice of the profession today. Social work has become, in large part, the handmaiden of the status quo, which we are loathe to challenge lest our funding be rescinded.
Poverty, disenfranchisement and social pathologies are once again the fault of the underclass.
Piven is a part of a spirited, radical and brilliant cohort group now all in their 70's or more. When these good people go I hope there are people prepared to continue the struggle.
@"Social work has become, in large part, the handmaiden of the status quo, which we are loathe to challenge lest our funding be rescinded. Poverty, disenfranchisement and social pathologies are once again the fault of the underclass."
this is spine-chilling;
people during the Depression were terrified of teh social services agent quarantining their kids (or them) in institutions, and hated the social workers as much as they hated the cops. In the 60s and 70s, social services actually did their mission, in addition to, or because of, becoming radicalized toward social justice rather than toward the status quo as they had been (truancy patrol, etc). Now it's all torn apart? Jeez. What happened?!
What happened?
(Ayn) Randian Objectivism / hardcore rationalism.
The halcyon days of social work were concurrent with the 'war on poverty' federal programs of the 1960's, the civil rights, black power and women's movements.
I'm sure there are still good soc workers out there committed to social justice, but the profession as a whole has, as they say, followed the money.
The 'right wing' in social work base their practice in a medical model. They think social problems ae the reslt of individual pathology. The left wing in social work is empowerment-based, our theories are based on a 'person-in-the-environment' paradigm that believes social problems at all system levels are the result of a lack of resources, opportunity or support so the goal is not to 'label' or intervene as if the person were the problem but create the environment that allows the person or community to be healthy.
Much of the funding for soc services right now is in the medical model context.
That's why I'm back working in the arts. Much less stressful. Except for the buying my own health insurance part.
The cause needs to buy up a major television network and a major cable network with news and programming aimed at educating the country. Education is the key. Piven is a keeper.
This smacks of McCartyism, only substitute socialism for communism. It is an old story. Put down something or someone and elevate your own status a few notches. It doesn't seem to matter much who or what as long as you can demonized it or them. Immigrants, gays, black, muslims. It doesn't make much differece as long as you 'feel' better about your own self image. The same goes for the people who watch and listen to these hate filled assumptions that all of their problems can be placed squarely on socialists, communists, marxists or whatever the scapegoat of the day happens to be. They understand that they are privledged to be above these nasty thugs whomever they are. They revel in their understanding of a higher self image. It is a schoolyard bully program and hatemongering is very fulfilling for those whose self esteem is rock bottom.
Sioux Rose
ANNABELLE: I agree with your assessment, although I'd take it a step further. The right is setting up targets for when the collapse/crash comes. The infusion of so much dis-information into the avenues through which most citizens get their "news," makes it impossible to separate the wheat (truth) from the chaff (engineered opinions or manufactured basis for consent).
Note, too, this particular quote with respect to Obama: "He's still creating crises as a means of empowerment." This is a naked co-optation of Naomi Klein's more honest and research-based thesis. She explains how crises are used to maximize the financial interests of elites. That mechanism and the brilliance behind its thesis (as elucidated by Klein) is being watered down with its mechanics deliberately associated with Obama's policies. The funny thing is that Obama is part of that same elite that is positioning itself to benefit from every calamity (manmade or otherwise); yet the right works hard to suggest Obama is on the side of the people, trying to give more to the poor when EVERY ONE of his positions negates this nonsensical conjecture. It's also insidious the way the right wing preys upon the "least of these." They seldom miss an opportunity to create more misery for those already suffering, while they are first to whore themselves to those who already enjoy an embarassment of riches. They are the scorpions of this world.
Some in this forum still seem to believe Obama wants to make a difference. I do not. If you toss a coin, at least some of the time you will get "heads." The odds behind Obama's decisions always ending up in the same direction: in favor to the elites, are suspicious, to say the least. There is not an iota of evidence that any commitment exists to serve the people's interests. He is an insider, a chosen one, groomed to be "product" of the year, an achievement by advertisers.
Incidentally, there is a must-read piece on Alternet by Chris Hedges. It's entitled, "We Stand On The Cusp of One of Humanity's Most Dangerous Moments." Indeed. Hedges, as usual, lays out an almost flawless case in support of his thesis.
S.R.
Excellent assessment of our absurd times!
Hi Sioux Rose!
Excellent analysis! And, I agree with you! However, I was NEVER an Obamabot, and did NOT buy his line -- even from the beginning. But, here we are, today, and he is the ONE in charge. Your analogy, the coin toss, is very fitting -- hand-in-glove, so to speak.
It's good to have you back!
They are going much fuather than that, they are substituting even the tepid of reformist measures - far bolder ones being accepted with a yawn every else in the world - for Mccarthy's Red Menace.
Is ther no limit to US-right extremism?
Thanks for the alert on this Kyle Olson guy.
Shinning light on these cockroaches is a thankless but important task; keep up the good work.
One minor quibble:
"Only an outraged and organized movement for change among the poor and the middle class is likely to bring about the reforms we need"
make that 'working class' instead of 'middle class', and 'transformation' instead of 'reform'.
The poor are members of the working class to an even greater degree.
But you are corerct, much of the so-called "middle class" is the coordinator class - the professional/managerial class who align their interests very closely with the capitalist class, and are often petit-capitalists themselves.
The impression I get from this article is that there is a high level of fear eminating from these "aspiring journalists" and "fair and balanced news" stations.
They are supposedly trying to expose a conspiracy, but at the same time, truth doesn't seem to matter to them. Isn't a conspiracy at odds with the truth? So if they don't care about the truth, what do they care about conspiracies for?
At the same time, I hope, for the sake of Americans, that Obama really does have some interest in expanding the social safety net. However if he does have such inclinations, it is so well hidden apparently that it takes more than would be journalists and right wing pundits to bring it to light.
I'm confused at the this being called a "conspiracy".
This "conspiracy" of encouraging the maximum usage of legally gained social benefits in order to assure better funding of thise benefits for more poeple seems like just the job description for a social worker to me. There is no sordid "conspiracy" here unless you believe that feeding the poor is some kind of unalloyed evil. I guess the US right believes this.
But to face this strident criticism for passing a bill that grossly benefits the health insurance and pharmaceutical companies at our expense is ridiculous.
More than ridiculous. "Absurd" fails to describe it too. Voltaire, Swift, Twain and Vonnegut together couldn't have dreamt up satirical fiction like the real events underway right now.
As far as how do we solve the problem? Well, as the Wobblies say, direct action gets the goods. The major media offices and media actors have names and addresses. We are long overdue for occupations ad other disruptive actions against these vile servants of power.
This is the best idea I've heard all month. We really, really need a communications clearinghouse so people can actually get in touch with each other instead of fumbling around anonymously.
I think Piven sounds like an intelligent woman who has a lot of insight into life in America. Even the clips Beck uses tell me the same.
Unless they are changing her words mechanically, I see nothing wrong with the interview, other than the fact they got the interview in a dishonest way. I would like to watch the whole thing, uncut.
Even though Beck might believe they do, those who listen to Glenn Beck do not take his words as gospel.
Pretty interesting that CD should publish this outrage today, when just yesterday they published an article under the headline "A Cloward-Piven Strategy for Single Payer? that contained the following proposal: "So here's what I would propose as the next step in single payer strategy: explode the Medicaid rolls. Single payer activists should organize in their communities to sign up as many eligible people as possible for Medicaid - if the administration wants to expand Medicaid coverage, then let's give it to them. Many people would get the health coverage they need in the short term. In the longer term, the system would probably not be able to support all of them when the financial burden shifts back to the states. Popular pressure could then be mobilized to force drastic federal intervention to deal with the ensuing crisis, possibly including the implementation of single payer."
Now if thousands of Freepers and fame-hounds like O'Keefe and Oslon are looking through the nooks and crannies of left-wing communications to funnel conspiracy "evidence" of attempts to collapse the system in order to have it replaced with something else to the Becks, Limbaughs, and Levins that have the mob's attention, they don't have to go back to 1966. They just have to read Common Dreams, which many of them do.
The left wing of liberalism has way too many physicians who need to heal themselves before we can gather the strength to be effective. I'm not saying the strategy might not be all that's left for single-payer advocates, but if we are in the middle of a cycle of anti-Cloward-Piven hysteria, this might not be the best time to fight this particular fire with gasoline. Perhaps nobody has noticed, but we're losing, very badly. Everyone the mob has pressured Obama to fire who had any progressive credentials or future progressive policy task has been fired. ACORN is gone. The American people have elected a Democrat by a wide margin, as well as two houses of congress from his own party, yet the farthest reaches of the right wing are running the country. Just like with Bill Clinton, only now, both the private and public sectors are bankrupt, and wars are under way, so we may not weather this storm without the Tea Party rising from the rubble as did the various fascist thug movements of post-World War 1 Europe under similar conditions, with widespread voter approval rather than coups.
Do you think the "rational center" is going to help resist that? As we speak, "centrist" Democrat Chuck Schumer and "centrist" Republican Lindsay Graham are working on a "bipartisan" immigration reform plan that will require all of us legal residents, native-born, naturalized, or foreign, to carry on our persons a national ID card that actually has biometric verification codes embedded in it. Here it is in their own words: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/17/AR2010031703115.html
Sioux Rose
STEVE: Interesting and thought-provoking post. Thank you for contributing it.
"Perhaps nobody has noticed, but we're losing, very badly." -- Steve Greenfield
For some reason, today, I'm feeling the weight of your statement -- more than usual. The other day, I meant to reply to one of your posts, but I didn't have the time. If I recall correctly, you mentioned that even in NYC, where 8 million people live, peace rallies/protests are attended by very few people, sometimes as few as a couple of dozen. Since I have attended several rallies and protests on any number of issues over the past two and three years, and live in NYC, I can testify to the fact that you are absolutely correct. The left is MIA.
Thanks for your post, it's quite thought-provoking, especially the news about the "national ID card," and the plan being drawn up by "centrist Democrat Chuck Schumer and "centrist" Republican Lindsey Graham. The other day, I happened to catch a news segment on NY One, and one of the items I heard was that Schumer is polling below 50% -- however, I have NO idea if anyone is running against him. And, if someone ran against him, would they stand a chance? Of course, Jonathan Tasini is running against Kirsten Gillibrand in the Democratic primary. I'd be interested in your comments, if you have time to weigh in on any of these issues.
After Mayor Bloomberg nearly lost the mayoral race, spending a fortune on his campaign, I began to have a little bit of hope. Citizens here in the City were angry that Bloomberg went behind their backs and changed the term limits, using the City Council to his advantage. However, even with his many billions, he came close to losing. Quite honestly, I was stunned, as so many other New Yorkers were. Bloomberg has been a little quieter since his hubris has been knocked down a few notches. The other day, I was going through some court cases for one of my clients -- at 60 Centre Street -- and the paralegals, lawyers, etc., who were all making copies at the same time I was, were talking about the near-loss for Bloomberg, and they were glad to see him knocked down a few pegs. It was an interesting afternoon, to say the least!
Do you have any ideas to help us gather real strength for moving forward? Just curious! I remember going to hear John Dean speak when his book, Worse Than Watergate, was published. Indeed, I agree, the situation, today, is worse than Watergate, an era during which I grew into adulthood.
I have to admit I'm not encouraged right now. I know that the main missing ingredient is organizing. We talk our way around it in circles, but we don't do it, won't do it, or think opening a Facebook group called "I bet we can find 100 Million People Who Think Teabagger Suck" constitutes organizing. We also don't do what the most successful movements in our history, and those that succeed today elsewhere, namely, include resistance (which has many options, not just civil disobedience, which is the resistance of last resort) as a tactic. We also confuse voting Democrat with voting for progress, confuse voting tactics that could bring change, confuse George Lakoff, who is a Democratic Party consultant, with someone who could teach progressives how to use language, and respond to the Tea Parties by having a coffee party at the local latte cafe, exposing ourselves to ridicule, instead of organizing for action.
I'm from the city all my life until recently. I organized against Giuliani successfully, on the streets and in court. Before that I organized tenants successfully. It's face-to-face work. Whatever I know about it is on this website. www dot commonplans dot blogspot dot com Everyone is welcome to use it without attribution.
Thanks, Steve, for your reply. I agree with you about organizing. And, I have never believed that opening a Facebook group will solve our problems. You are right -- it's face-to-face work. I've been voting 3rd party as often as possible for a number of years and I will continue to vote 3rd party whenever I can.
I'll go to the blogspot link to see what you have posted.
This is merely another example of the power brokers of the American right wing peddling more conspiracy theory to their intellectually lazy dupes, err, followers. That they are this desperate to go down this slippery slope bodes both well and ill for progressives: a beast is at its' most dangerous when it is wounded.
ACORN collapsed today, according to my morning paper. They simply gave up and went out of business after all the funding was cut off. Two court rulings in their favor did nothing to restore the funding. Although Congress happily hands truckloads of cash to well-connected cronies who cannot account for literally billions of dollars of charges, misleading paperwork and basically, theft, they flew into righteous indignation and cut off ACORN's measly $55 million after a bogus, edited video and some non-compliant voter reg forms, none of which cost the taxpayers a penny. That's what we call "good government" in 2010 America.
Everywhere in the country, less well known academics with views less controversial than Piven's are being hounded from their jobs by David Horowitz, this wanker Olson and various totalitarion hit-teams run through the College Republicans. But most of their students would rather watch American Idol, Lost or basketball, than try to understand any of this. As Pivens says they're doing term "papers" on video now. Ideas don't matter anymore; postures and poses do.
Until somebody does to these fascist rat-bastards what Ed Murrow had the balls to do to Joe McCarthy, this shit will continue to spin out of control. And that cost Murrow his job. It will cost us a lot more, I think.
Are there enough of us who still care about the "inalienable rights of men...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"? Or do we all just want a "win-win" situation, where everybody is "happy" and we live in an eternal, delusional present?
I don't know anymore.
"Until somebody does to these fascist rat-bastards what Ed Murrow had the balls to do to Joe McCarthy, this shit will continue to spin out of control. And that cost Murrow his job. It will cost us a lot more, I think." -- jareilly
Who, today, though, in the mainstream news media, has the power, or the trust of so many U.S. citizens to be so bold? Murrow had widespread name recognition, and the public trust as well, due to his reporting out of Europe during World War II, and he, uniquely, had power, too -- at least, that was part of what my Grandmother explained to me so many years ago. I am so grateful to her for the time she took with me when I was quite young -- she was a very progressive and informed woman, as was my grandfather. BTW, I was born, and grew up in a very conservative, very religious community in southwest Iowa. I always felt like a fish out of water!
With each passing day, I feel more and more marginalized. I still attend rallies and protests whenever I can here in NYC, but very few people turn out for any of the events. I am still stunned by what happened to ACORN. I remember, a few years ago, attending a conference on Democracy at NYU, and Bertha Lewis, one of the founders, was one of the speakers. She inspired me, and I even had an opportunity to speak with her, briefly. I was deeply saddened when I heard the news about the complete collapse and dismantling of ACORN.
"Are there enough of us who still care about the "inalienable rights of men...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"? Or do we all just want a "win-win" situation, where everybody is "happy" and we live in an eternal, delusional present?
"I don't know anymore." -- jareilly
Believe me -- I have similar feelings!
I'm off to Alternet, per Sioux Rose's suggestion, to read an article she recommended by Chris Hedges. I seldom spend any time on that site.
Sioux Rose
Hi KAY: From a spiritual perspective, we like to say there are no accidents with respect to birth. You "got" the cool grandparents as they were intended to be facilitators of your growth as a human being. Your wide interest in reading and your calm, intelligent demeanor allow these exposures to mature, like ripe seeds, inside of your consciousness. And then you go forth and seed others' gardens, even in this forum.
The Chris Hedges piece was incredible. I have never written to him, but I plan to respond to that article directly.
Thank you for the acknowledgement lower down this thread, and PDJ, thank you, too. If some people inside the Nazi camps didn't give up, I don't think we--who still have some privileges of liberty--can afford to. I know in my own person, faith waxes and wanes. Unlike some in this forum, I believe in the continuity of the soul; and that allows a certain comfort in the realization that even if one lays down their life for a larger cause (like the ant whose body is used as bridge by the multitudes passing over it), the world one is destined to return to may have been improved by such a selfless act. The proof of this thesis, although better understood by poets and mystics than exclusively left-brain logicians, is found in the perennial return of Spring and its life-bearing forces newly emerged from the semblance-realm of death.
Thanks Sioux Rose, excellent article by Chris Hedges. His views on the use of violence confused me though. He's saying use violence when survival is at stake but don't use violence because it could threaten your survival.
Sioux Rose
Q: I think his point was that violence is, or will become, inevitable given the implausible developments that so vehemently mock the basic premises of our Constitution, Bill of Rights, and any sane concept of a communal society/economy.
Alternet has somewhat progressed but its new format can be buggy at times. I remember the years I'd battle it out on that site as a bleeding liberal. 2009 is the year the flames war would peak between the Obama followers and the third party progressives. I too remember joining the fight and trying to defend those true progressives against the centrist Democrats when I could. The Obama followers appeared to have died down this year probably because Obama was getting worse and it was getting clear that Nader was right. Their site can have glitches at times but they can correct them. I get annoyed by their sex articles making front pages on their site. Overall though, it's ok now but not as great as this site. There are still some nuts on that site who will try to attack people like you and me as Republicans but they don't get far these days. Anyways, enjoy it out there on Alternet.
Maxpayne, there have been of few of the Obamabots move to this site from ALternet. "Beck" for example.
I still read Alternet daily, but the commentors I used to be familiar with seemed to have gone elsewhere. As for their new format, well, I kinda wish they would return to their previous format where one could post links and such.
The article by Chris Hedges is a good read for certain. Actually, I have seen several simialr articles by writers such as Dave Sirota posted on Information Clearing House, and Smirking Chimp.
It will be nice when Jennifer Beddingfield returns from her trip to see her input once again.
Aussidawg, "Beck" wasn't the only one. I got attacked by "Beck" here too but managed to ward her off along with some assistance from Bliss Doubt and Stanley. "Beck" was potatoes compared to EncinoM. Look at the bright side though. Most folks coming from Alternet are usually not that bad and the trolls usually don't last long save a few.
No progressive site is guaranteed to be 100% free of the Obamabots but we shouldn't give up battling them. I would like to see Quannah here. She and I had our rough fights but eventually reconciled. I need to get back there some more and let her know that I truly no longer believe in this "God is punishing America" madness and have instead come to realize that this nation is a lost soul and I don't think one can punish a lost soul.
I miss JenniferB too. I remember a few times I defended her on Alternet along with james108 and a few others. I got burned alive by the Obamabots too but we might as well learn to use these forums to battle out the sellouts and crooks in both parties. She used to invite the good friends on Alternet she felt were being treated badly just because they voted Nader or Green. At one point when she invited James108 to this site, he said he reads this site too but asked her why she hangs out on Alternet more than CD based on her postings. Her response post to him surprised me when she said that she was used to challenging a centrist to conservative crowd on their backwards thinking and felt that CD was sometimes looking a bit too easy on her. She faced a lot of tough fights there but the more Obama and his party in Congress screwed up, the less tough on her they became it seems.
On Alternet, Hedges gets trashed though not as much as he was in the past. Usually, the trashing comes from those typical centrist apologist posters. Glad to see you again.
Sioux Rose
JAREILLY: When I feel very depressed with obviously depressing circumstances, an old Yiddish funny bone kicks into gear as a survival mechanism. These ideas generate from that "genetic" lineage:
1. It's an ideal time to run an ad that uses the old church promise of assured salvation (via the selling of Indulgences) to vigorously invite those Hedge fund millionaires (who never did anything to profit, but push paper... representative of others' blood, labor, and treasure) to REFUND Acorn. The ad would read something to the tune of, "Gain Good Karmic Brownie Points Now. Ask Me How."
2. There is a law of nature, call it the pendulum theory. When things swing as far into the shit camp as is plausible, they MUST swing back in the other direction. The detritus is so overwhelming in so many places (coming to a river near you), that it cannot be long before nature takes Her turn to send the pendulum back in the opposing direction. (I am reading "Collapse" by Jarred Diamond right now, to test this theory.)
3. Saturday Night Live should do a skit on present day insurance, aided and abeted by this health care scam. A line of persons should be waiting to sign up, and as each comes forward s/he is obliged to lay down a bag of money on the desk of someone who LOOKS LIKE a Mafioso. As he grabs the money bag, and has them sign the appropriate "legal" papers, he says, "Consider it protection. Everyone needs protection these days."
*#3 reminds me of a hilarious SNL skit when Oral Roberts was trying to raise a million dollars to build a religious center. Charlton Heston played "God" and in a chilling voice (sounding like a Mafioso) said, "Oral? Did you get the money?"
The more the main stream right wing media paints the left wing as a danger and threat to America , the less you notice that the right wing republican Reagan trickle up movement of money and control over the last 30 years has gone to large corporations, wall street, big banks.
The middle class has no power, no unions, no jobs , no money, and no manufacturing.
What the hell do they want us to do, start wild cat drilling in our back yards.
The writing is on the wall, we need to start manufacturing alternative energy products. loosen the strangle hold on patents that big corporations control, and turn loose American know how , innovation, invention, and stop the fascist corporate take over of our country the mega rich and mega corporations.
” The left wing of liberalism has way too many physicians who need to heal themselves before we can gather the strength to be effective. ” (Steve)
I agree with that statement. The Democratic Congress are whimps. That is the truth. They are afaid to fight for the right thing. They are to busy only caring about what is good for them, than to LISTEN to the American people who have something important to tell them. Our government has stopped being effecitve and if we are going to survive this comming WAR that someday we know we must fight than we must be WILLING TO TAKE AN HONEST LOOK at ourselves and our government. We owe the future generations to find the courage, strenght, and wisdom to Win and OVERCOME. I believe there is still time to change things, but time is running out. If our government continues to act like the whimp and not joining the fight; than our future is very bleak.
” Perhaps nobody has noticed, but we’re losing, very badly. ” (Steve)
Another statement I agree with Steve. Yes, we are losing and no matter how hard I try to WAKE THEM UP TO THE TRUTH so that THEY WILL JOIN THE FIGHT; they refuse to even listen and help me with my research to find out what our enemy is planning to do next.
Do you know the pain of what it feels like to need help and to have the courage to ask for that help and to be yelled at that it wasn’t his problem? It broke my heart when that happen because foolish stupid me thought we were friends. The joke fell on me though when I found out just how uncaring, unfeeling, selfish, greedy, dishonest, and foolish our government can be some times.
To dream all your life that someone cared about what was happening in this country to the American people. Dreaming that they were willing to fight along side of me to save this country, because you thought they were true American Patriots, only to find out that he wasn’t willing to join the fight and help me in my research so I could continue to gather information. It broke my heart. I felt like my hero died all over again. Yet, inspite of it all the love remained and I got my childhood heroes back again.
I believe there is still time to change things and start winning this WAR. The question is will true American Patriots fight to save this nation? Will they be willing to die to save this nation from falling? Will they form other Political Parties like the Green Party? Will we have the courage to do what has to be done to WIN. The hour glass is running out with me thinking, when is King Arther going arise from the ashes and he along with his knights, his lady, and the people FIGHT THE BATTLE OF THEIR LIFETIME and had VICTORY. I was watching King Arthur the movie last night. I love that movie because it keeps me fighting those who I feel are dangerous to this country. One must never give up hope.
Yes, we are living in dangerous times. Our generation is faced with our own crisis and we are going to have to start fighting soon as Progressives are we will LOOSE!!!!!
Steve, I am not giving up. Green Party members are more and more running for Political Office and getting our message into the debate is very important in winning this war.
The rulers know that working class and middle class suffering is increasing rapidly. The Becks and Limbaughs and, to a certain extent, the Tea Party are their answer to this problem. They are pro-actively creating a militant right-wing movement that "knows" that liberals, immigrants, labor, Obama, and other scapegoats created the crises.
If necessary, they will ride this movement into power, a la Hitler in 1934. If they can get everything they want without social chaos, perhaps we'll be spared the storm troopers. But I wouldn't count on it.
What can we do? It might be hopeless, but I think the crucial strategy is to reach out to the working class elements of the white conservatives. Listen to them and talk with them. I think opposing the Empire is a good place to start.
Right on! Good post.
Liberals need to stop being naive about conservatives. Modern conservatives have lost ethical concerns and use dirty tricks without regard. For cons, business is never ending war against everyone else. Profits and power at any human cost are their major concern. Being humanists makes libs the cons' worst enemies.
I don't advocate that libs become reactionary, fear-ridden paranoids like cons are, but they need to be careful. Cons are an invasive species and will use any dirty trick to destroy libs, including invading progressive sites.
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."
John Kenneth Galbraith
OMG I love that quote!
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."
John Kenneth Galbraith
It's so perfectly succinct and accurate to describe the conservative movement as a whole.
Yes, the oligarchical system has been prevalent at least since the ancient Greeks. It has always strived to make legitimate selfishness and greed. In the last century it used Darwin and evolution to try to prove that selfishness is the basic force of nature, which inevitably leads to a few 'superior' individuals and groups leading the rest of us poor suckers around by the ring in our noses. If you want to know all about this perverted view of society, just pick up a book by Ayn Rand.
"Contacted by phone at his Michigan office, Olson hung up as soon as he was asked about his interview with Piven. When called again for comment, his colleague, Steve Gunn, answered for him. "He doesn't have any interest in talking with you. He doesn't care anything about you," Gunn said. "If you call again, I'll call 911. You have a miserable day.""
Folks, give him a call, be surrepticious about it, act interested and then lay into them. Here's the number:
231 733 4202
Well obviously some of it could be either constructed, or helped along by the State. That has always been true, not just in America. States tend to like to support / help along right wing, even fascist movements. The uneven treatment has always been true.
"This isn't to say there are not plenty of racists in the American public. But isn't it interesting that the media only pays attention to teabagging racists? What about the racist policies of the ruling elites? Being black doesn't mean you can't be racist any more than being female means you can't be sexist, or being working class means you can't be classist. There's way too much ink spilled covering these teabaggers and not enough covering the crimes of the ruling elite. If the coverage was even, if the outrage was the same, I wouldn't have all the reservations I do. In fact, the govt. would be unable to openly engage in all its crimes if the press spent an equal amount of time investigating the ruling elites."
Yes, obviously it possible to be racist if one is black, or female. That doesn't mean that black racism or female sexism is much less of an issue. Look, it is simple. Look at the census. Look at the income disparities between blacks and white, women and men, with similar qualifications. Money is power. As long as those income inequalities exist so obviously, most of the racism and sexism is going one way.
I wonder if it's ever occured to these neanderthals that even IF every single word they said is absolutely true, that had they bothered to do their job (beginning over 3/4 of a century ago) there probably wouldn't have to BE a Stalinist-Nazi-Maoist plot to overthrow the U.S. government by using millions of poor people to sign up for welfare they never should have needed in the first place! YEEEEEESH!
How much more evidence do we need of the lowlife scum that are the Republican party today. They are the most disgusting bunch of perverts I have ever had the nauseous opportunity to see in action. What despicable vermin inhabit the Republican seats in Congress and enable this type of fraud to take place. I can't stand to even look at their ugly faces anymore.
Excellent thorough informative article. Beck and the rest really hate and fear good ideas and electoral activism. That is a good sign.
Long live the international Socialist revolution!
FREE AMERICA
REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY
Beck and his cohorts are not just insane, but the harbingers of a new dark age. I keep making comparisons between them and the cannibals in the book and film, The Road.
Such a lot of selfdestructive energy these days. Amazing things could be done if the conservatives would only turn away from their Fascist Theocracy. The Buddah said all things are impermanent so this too shall pass. The GOP or the nation or both.
Good thing they passed health care reform.
Sure would hate to see mental health therapy programs cut for all the people who watch Glenn Beck.
They are going to need a lifetime of therapy to correct the damage done to them by listening to that lunatic spew his stupid, hate mongering venom.
The only real threat of socialism is the constant billions that are given to banks and corporations by our government.
The proper term is GOP Socialist Fascist Corporate Welfare.Dont worry about all the money they are spending on that.
Bush ran up the national debt from 4 trillion to 10 trillion,, fact.
These GOP right wing lunatics dont know how to use google, they believe everything they here on FOX.
I want my country back too, I want it taken away from the GOP fake Christian , war/fear mongering Reagan trickle up economic lunatics.
I want the gang stalking torture stazi exposed , arrested, and thrown in jail.
The FBI have allowed these GOP lunatics a free ride, because they were told to by the Department of Justice ,,,,,
Are you happy yet, stop filling our jails with pot smoking harmless beatnicks, and put all these Tea Party GOP lunatics in jail.