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'Bush and Blair Misled the Public... Yes, It's Conceivable Both Could End Up on Trial'
So why hasn't UN weapons expert Hans Blix been called to give evidence at the Chilcot Inquiry?
Tony Blair and George Bush were orchestrating a witch-hunt against Saddam Hussein that ended with the Iraq War, according to a former UN weapons inspector.
George W. Bush and Tony Blair's conviction that Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was a threat blinded them to the lack of evidence justifying a war to depose him, ex-UN weapons inspector Hans Blix, pictured in New York in 2005, said Saturday. Hans Blix said the two leaders behaved like 17th century witchfinders in their willingness to oust the dictator.
In an interview with the Mail, he revealed that Mr Blair tried to force him to change his mind about the absence of WMDs in Iraq to placate the Americans.
The former Swedish diplomat, who headed the UN weapons inspection team in the run-up to war, concluded that Mr Blair and Mr Bush 'misled themselves and then they misled the public'.
He said: 'They were convinced they had their witch in front of them, and they searched for the evidence and believed it without critical examination.
'I'm not saying they acted in bad faith [but] they exercised very bad judgment. A modicum of critical thinking would have made them sceptical. When you start a war which cost thousands of lives you should be more certain than they were.'
Mr Blix dismissed the 'dodgy' Downing Street dossier on Saddam's weapons which made the case for war as 'a politician's twist'.
The claim that Iraq could fire chemical weapons in 45 minutes was 'hyperbole'. Mr Blix's inspectors viewed 700 supposed WMD sites in the months before the war but found nothing more than a handful of empty chemical munitions.
Five weeks before the invasion he revealed these findings to the UN and six days later Mr Blair told him his report had undermined American support for the UN process.
But Mr Blix stuck to his guns and warned the former prime minister not to invade, telling him: 'It would prove paradoxical and absurd if 250,000 troops were to invade Iraq and find very little.'
The 81-year-old said Mr Blair could have slowed the rush to war had he wanted to.
'If the UK had really insisted then on the UN path being exhausted, they could have slowed the military build-up ... but that wasn't the case,' he said. 'They eventually had so much military in the Gulf that they felt they had to invade.'
Bush and Blair
Mr Blix accused Mr Blair of 'legal tap-dancing' by claiming that existing UN resolutions gave the green light for war.
He added: 'The war, in my view, was illegal, yes. The British knew the evidence [of weapons] was thin, and they should have remembered that before they started shooting.'
Asked whether Mr Blair could be tried for war crimes, Mr Blix said: 'Well, yes, maybe so. Well, we'll see. It's not very likely to happen.'
Mr Blix said he would have been happy to testify to the Chilcot inquiry into the war but had not been asked to attend.
The inquiry heard yesterday that British troops were deliberately put in greater danger in order to increase Mr Blair's influence with the Americans.
Lieutenant General Sir Anthony Pigott, a former deputy chief of the defence staff, said Britain committed a 'meaty' land force in the hope that it would buy influence.
'You buy that on your contribution and your willingness to put - not just boots on the ground - people in danger,' he said. 'They know you are a serious player.'
The chances of Gordon Brown being called to give evidence increased yesterday when the inquiry heard he had refused to release additional funds to rebuild Basra following the invasion.
The claim was made by diplomat Dominic Asquith.
As a Swedish diplomat, Hans Blix is a man who chooses his words very carefully and very sparingly. But as he searches for the right way to describe the behaviour of Tony Blair and George Bush, as they prepared to wage war on Iraq, there is no mistaking the depth of feeling behind his analogy.
They were, he says, 'like witch-hunters of the 17th century' - men who were so desperately seeking to justify the invasion on the grounds that Saddam Hussein had stockpiled weapons of mass destruction, that they were deaf to reason and blind to logic.
'They were convinced they had their witch (Saddam) in front of them, and they searched for the evidence and believed it without critical examination'.
The result, says the former UN weapons inspector, was that Blair and Bush 'misled themselves, and then misled the public.
'I'm not saying they acted in bad faith (but) they exercised very bad judgment. A modicum of critical thinking would have made them sceptical. When you start a war, you should be more certain than they were.'
This is devastating analysis from a man who, perhaps more than any other, knows how deeply flawed the evidence that led Britain and America to war truly was.
When they began the search, in November, 2002, it was clear that he and his inspectors faced a daunting task.
They were despised by the Iraqis, who were affronted by their presence, and mistrusted by hawks in the Bush administration, who regarded them as hopelessly ineffectual (vice-president Cheney openly dismissed them as 'useless').
But in his unfussy, methodical way, Dr Blix - a Cambridge-educated international lawyer - was determined to investigate as thoroughly as possible whether Saddam really did possess germ warfare capabilities, as the British and Americans insisted.
As Dr Blix recalled, when we spoke this week in his Stockholm apartment, adorned with exotic artworks and colourful rugs, this sometimes necessitated almost farcical cat-and-mouse games.
'They misled the public... yes, it's conceivable both could end up on trial'
For at first the Iraqi escorts were determined to obstruct the inspectors at every turn. 'We would gather outside our base and say we were going in one direction, then after driving off we would abruptly change tack, so they never knew where we were heading.
'We also ensured that our daily targets, such as military installations or laboratories, were never transmitted directly from New York (where the inspectors were based), and we never used ciphers or telegrams. All the information was sent by courier.'
Despite these difficulties, by the following March they carried out some 700 inspections at 500 sites where, according to western intelligence and other supposedly reliable sources, WMD were suspected to have been stored.
And for all their efforts, they had found nothing more than a handful of empty chemical munitions.
This was not the conclusive proof that Dr Blix sought, of course, because, as he points out, it is almost impossible to prove that something does not exist.
Nonetheless, it suggested that Iraq may not have any WMD, much less the capability to strike the West at 45 minutes' notice, as the British Government had claimed months earlier in its infamous 'dodgy dossier'.
In an address which now seems laudably cautious and prescient, he aired his views to a packed meeting of the UN Security Council, precisely five weeks before the invasion, urging that his team be given more time to complete their search.
'I was not talking about days or weeks, nor about years, but a few more months,' he says.
Six days after he delivered his speech, however, he received a phone-call from Tony Blair.
The Americans had been deeply disappointed by his report, which had undermined their faith in the UN process, intoned the British Prime Minister.
Clearly hoping to convince Dr Blix he was being over-accommodating towards Saddam, Blair added that it wasn't only the British and U.S. intelligence services who felt sure that weapons really did lie hidden in Iraq. The French, Germans and even the Egyptians concurred.
Unlike others subjected to Blair's persuasive powers, however, Dr Blix stuck firmly to his position. 'It would prove paradoxical and absurd if 250,000 troops were to invade Iraq and find very little,' was the essence of his response.
Except for one chance encounter at a climate change meeting in Sweden last year, when they shook hands and exchanged a few pleasantries, that uncomfortable conversation almost seven years ago was the last they have had.
Given that Dr Blix possesses such a wealth of knowledge about the behindthescenes chicanery that precipitated the invasion, we might have expected their paths to cross again during Sir John Chilcot's inquiry, which began last week.
Blair is due to give evidence early next year. But, thus far at least, the weapons inspector has not been called even though, at 81, he still travels widely on speaking engagements, recalls the events of 2002/3 with formidable precision, and would certainly make a compelling witness.
Instead, he is following every twist of the inquiry online (when I arrive he has just finished reading more than 100 pages of testimony provided by Blair's former foreign policy advisor Sir David Manning).
So what would he tell Chilcot, were he to appear? The question prompts a three-hour discourse broken only when an apologetic Dr Blix suddenly heads for the kitchen, apologising that he has forgotten to offer me tea.
For one thing, he says, it should have been perfectly plain to Blair months before the war that the 'intelligence' on which he placed such great store was risibly inaccurate.
There were many reasons to suspect this, not least the disclosure that a contract which purportedly proved that Niger had sold Iraq 'yellow cake' - concentrated uranium powder used to make nuclear weapons - was a forgery.
Dr Blix also takes issue with a statement made at the Chilcot inquiry this week by Sir David Manning. He told the hearing that Dr Blix's team had examined ten of 19 sites named by British intelligence and 'turned up some quite interesting stuff'.
But the weapons inspector says he ought to have been asked what 'interesting' really meant.
'Yes, they led to interesting results, that's true - but never to WMD. We found a few documents and some conventional weapons - grenades and so forth - nothing more.
'The message that should have gone to the intelligence services was that your sources must have been bad. If your sources are bad in these cases, maybe they're bad in others.'
Then there was the dodgy dossier. In 2004, finally forced to withdraw its utterly fallacious 45-minute claim, Jack Straw informed Parliament that the dossier had been shown to Blix in September, 2002, and he 'shared' the intelligence service's fears.
However, it later emerged that Dr Blix had only seen the dossier before it was ' sexedup' on Alastair Campbell's instructions. And this was, of course, long before his team had set foot in Iraq.
In any case, Dr Blix now disputes that he ever gave the dossier his blessing. 'I read it only casually because it was something that would have been fed to our inspectors to see what they thought, and we had no comment at all about that,' he recalls.
As the crisis escalated, Dr Blix says, it was as though Bush had set in motion a 'train' which was hurtling pell-mell towards conflict. Blair was very much a passenger on this train, but at least he wanted to keep the UN on board.
Switching metaphors, he says it was as if two clocks were ticking at very different speeds - and while his inspectors were working methodically to one in an effort to avert bloodshed, Bush was racing towards conflict by another.
One of Dr Blix's major criticisms of Blair is that he failed - or did not even try - to slow Bush down, so that the Americans and British and the UN at least marched in synchronicity.
For had he been given just three more months in Iraq, he is convinced, he could have ended any realistic doubts about the existence of WMD - and then not even Bush and his neocons could have sustained a case for war.
Instead, as the massive military build-up continued, he and his team were given just two days notice to leave Baghdad before Operation Iraqi Freedom began, and by June, after tidying up loose ends, he had left his position.
However, he says he knew for certain soon after the occupation that Saddam had no chemical or biological weapons. For by then Iraq's military scientists and administrators were free to speak, and knew they would have been rewarded for leading the coalition forces to WMD sites. But they couldn't do that - because they didn't exist.
Disgracefully, however, it took the British and Americans months to admit that they weren't there, and it wasn't until January, 2005, that the U.S. announced that the search had finally been abandoned.
WMDs? We found none. Just papers, and grenades'
How did he feel when the troops poured in, I asked him. 'Sad, sad, sad,' he replies. 'A failure. The majority of UN members wanted more inspections, and they declined to authorise a war that shouldn't have taken place.'
His only consolation was the knowledge that he and his team had tried, and kept trying to the eleventh hour to provide the evidence needed for a peaceable outcome.
'What would the world have thought if the UN had given the green light for war? The inspection would have been discredited; the UN would have been discredited. So in that sense it was a victory for critical thinking and professionally searching for facts.'
He is in no doubt that war was prosecuted unlawfully, then?
'The war, in my view, was illegal, yes. Assume that Saddam had obstructed the inspections: then it's conceivable that the Security Council would have authorised it. They might have said, yes, he's threatening the peace.
'The British knew the evidence [for the existence of weapons] was thin, and they should have remembered that before they started shooting.
'If you think your wife is being unfaithful, and you shoot her, but then find out you were wrong, it is no use claiming that you thought you were right at the time. You are still guilty.'
Were Blair and Bush guilty of war crimes, as their fiercest critics maintain? 'Well, some people...' he begins, then stops himself, adding after a lengthy pause: 'That would have to be tested by tribunal before you established it. I'll leave that for others to decide. I'm not conducting any campaign.
'But you have to be aware that the U.S. and UK acted on authorisation from Congress and Parliament.'
And what if Congress and Parliament had been deliberately misled? 'Well, I have never said they acted in bad faith; that they knew there were no WMDs. As I say, the expression I would use is that they misled themselves, and then misled the public.'
Later, when I invite him to put on his lawyer's gown and ponder whether a criminal case might be possible, he asks: 'Well, who would sue them? Before what tribunal?
'Bush, at least, could not be tried before the International Criminal Court in the Hague because the U.S. is not a signatory to it. But I wouldn't say it's impossible. A national tribunal maybe.'
So Blair could conceivably stand trial at, say, the Old Bailey? 'Well, yes, maybe so. Well, we'll see. It's not very likely to happen.'
Moving back to more comfortable ground, he says that Blair has been tried by the court of public opinion. After the war he fared badly in local elections, and ultimately he relinquished the premiership. Dr Blix is also convinced that it was lingering anger over his rush to war alongside Bush that cost him the presidency of the European Union.
'You had France and Germany who were against the war. They wouldn't take lightly to it, but I'm sure there were also other reasons.
'I don't think they wanted such a flamboyant figure, and I think that's right. They were really looking for a chairman rather than a president - to keep things on an even keel.
'But there would be fairly deep feelings [about the war]. I think there's an attempt to say that this is behind us; we need a patched-up Europe. But still, here was a guy who was very firmly on the other side, and on the U.S. side.'
With the conversation drawing to a close, he leads me into his and shows me his favourite cartoon, mounted on the wall.
It depicts a frustrated George Bush holding a bomb fuse in one hand and vainly trying to strike a match on Dr Blix's bald head with the other.
'Look - he seems so frustrated, and I'm just sitting there, all stubborn,' he chuckles, 'I think that perfectly sums it up.'
His life has now moved on, he tells me, and these days he spends almost as much time lobbying for nuclear energy - his favoured solution to climate change - as he devotes to the abolition of nuclear weapons.
However, the Chilcot inquiry has clearly reawakened so many memories, and he is not one to stand by and watch history being distorted.
Sir John would only need to lift the phone and - much to Blair's discomfort - the man who warned him about the absurdity of going to war on a false premise would board the next London-bound plane.



27 Comments so far
Show AllWhat a shame!!
But I could be wrong !
Yeah, I'd say you're wrong. The only shame will be if Bush and Bliar escape justice. The EU wouldn't allow Bliar to run for chancellor or 'president' or whatever because of the thought of their man being arrested and brought up on war crimes charges. Europeans apparently aren't as stupid as your typical Americans appear to be.
Hans Blix is needlessly being too kind to phony Blair and Bush when he says, "'I'm not saying they acted in bad faith [but] they exercised very bad judgment...". How can it be anything but bad faith and criminal intent that produced the infamous 'dodgy dossier'? Anyone remembers the soft-spoken British scientist David Kelly who was harassed for talking about "sexing up the dossier" and who soon after the harassment "committed suicide"? Why would Blix even "shake hands and exchange pleasantries" with Blair, the criminal? I would have avoided him like the plague.
Why would Hans Blix even mention that rushing to war in Iraq cost Tony Blair the EU presidency? It's like saying a career criminal just narrowly missed a prestigious position because of one misdemeanor! That he was even considered for the post is mind-boggling, and says something about the depth of European values. Blair should be happy that he gets to roam a free man, and must be laughing at all the idiots that appointed him as the Middle East envoy to bring about peace between Israel and Palestine! He must be gloating like that Carlos character in the movie Tequila Sunrise - who brags to Mel Gibson: "The United States government and the Federal Republic of Mexico have me watching you, waiting for me to show up!"
That Blair would "deliberately put (British troops) in greater danger in order to increase Mr Blair's influence with the Americans" should not come as any surprise for those who follow international power politics. Today Canada is doing the same - by putting their soldiers in the more dangerous parts of Afghanistan - as a way of making up for not officially participating in the Iraq invasion and to keep the USA happy generally. The USA has long been used by the British as part of their dirty deeds. While Eisenhower might have dodged the British and French (yes, they too get away all too frequently with a 'clean' image despite their equally dirty past) during the Suez "crisis" of 1956, and even had the guts to tell them off, that was more of an exception. Anyone who thinks the USA is alone in committing crimes should read "Web of Deceit: Britain's Real Role in the World" by Mark Curtis to get a historical perspective. Not a long history - mostly post WW-II, including the "coup" in Iran that brought back the Shah, the Suez "crisis" and a host of other crimes. While self-criticism and introspection are important, it's equally important to know who the other scoundrels are.
The article is not an epiphany, I'd be surprised if something came of it.
It's also kind of long... I didn't read it... I'm sorry...
30,000 lashes with a wet line of prose ---- or 1 lash with 30,000 wet lines of prose, as you wish.
"Clearly hoping to convince Dr Blix he was being over-accommodating towards Saddam, Blair added that it wasn't only the British and U.S. intelligence services who felt sure that weapons really did lie hidden in Iraq."
These inspections are supposed to gave the confidence of the world. What hope for neutrality, if one side has access to the judge and uses it for maximum effect. The whole thing is a farce from one end to the other.
I disagree with Blix. Blair is as guilty as hell, and any real court would be able to see that:-
* He delivered 3 dossiers that insisted that "we know where the WMD are" and those sites were then inspected and nothing was found there. How is possible not to notice that the statement that you have delivered to the world were proved to be untrue?
* The crime of invasion and occupation is orders of magnitude greater than that of possessing WMD. Britain was still delivering the ingredients for chemical weapons to Israel even a Iraq was being invaded on the excuse of WMD. How can the accusation of posessing WMD be grounds for invasion by a country that has nukes, and was supplying WMD to other countries?
* And the lies, repeated endlessly...
* If the invasion was really about WMD then why on earth was it not Israel that was invaded?
I cannot see how a the world court i the Hague could fail to convict, if ever Blair was tried. Blair is as guilty as hell!!!
Give both those reptiles the death penalty.
Amen, Harry. Them and their cronies.
RE: 'Bush and Blair Misled the Public... Yes, It's Conceivable Both Could End Up on Trial'
SEE - "Oliver Miles: The key question – is Blair a war criminal?" - Commentators, Opinion - The Independent, 11/22/09
EXCERPT - When Bush tried to persuade President Chirac to go to war, Bush compared Saddam Hussein with Gog and Magog, obscure legendary figures named in the book of Ezekiel as enemies of the people of Israel. This sounds like a joke, but seems to be true. Chirac was baffled and his staff consulted a professor of theology who spilt the beans. Blair told his Iraq experts that Saddam was "uniquely evil"; the inquiry should ask him whether Bush mentioned Gog and Magog to him, or he to Bush.
ENTIRE COMMENTARY - http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/
oliver-miles-the-key-question-ndash-is-blair-a-war-criminal-1825374.html
DICKERSON3870, this part in the article you referenced caught my attention - that talks about the members of this (yet another) Iraq inquiry commission:
>>>"The Prime Minister's choice of the members of the committee has been criticised. None is a military man, Sir John Chilcot was a member of the Hutton inquiry and has been closely involved with the security services, Baroness Prashar has no relevant experience, Sir Roderic Lyne was a serving ambassador at the time of the war, and so on.
Rather less attention has been paid to the curious appointment of two historians (which seems a lot, out of a total of five), both strong supporters of Tony Blair and/or the Iraq war. In December 2004 Sir Martin Gilbert, while pointing out that the "war on terror" was not a third world war, wrote that Bush and Blair "may well, with the passage of time and the opening of the archives, join the ranks of Roosevelt and Churchill" – an eccentric opinion that would se em to rule him out as a member of the committee. Sir Lawrence Freedman is the reputed architect of the "Blair doctrine" of humanitarian intervention, which was invoked in Kosovo and Afghanistan as well as Iraq.
Both Gilbert and Freedman are Jewish, and Gilbert at least has a record of active support for Zionism. Such facts are not usually mentioned in the mainstream British and American media, but The Jewish Chronicle and the Israeli media have no such inhibitions, and the Arabic media both in London and in the region are usually not far behind."<<<
(I really wish CD would allow the "em" html tag!)
So, let's see - there's a "Sir" John Chilcot, "Baroness" Prashar, "Sir" Roderic Lyne, "Sir" Martin Gilbert and a "Sir" Lawrence Freedman. Since these titles are handed out by the establishment, I'm not sure where exactly their loyalties would lie and how vigorously they are going to pursue the "truth".
Thanks for reality check. I must not let my expectations get too high. I kept visualising Bush, Blair and Howard swinging on the gallows pole.
Very interesting posts. Much better than the long-winded MSM article. So it's another Dog-and-Pony Show instead of a real investigation. Just like the 911 commission, which was limited to a budget of only 3 million dollars while the space shuttle Challenger got 50 mill. And it was so heavily redacted and the report was so heavily sanitized as to be completely worthless.
Hans Blix sure is a limp noodle. He had great guys like Scott Ritter working for him and should have made more noise imho. Scott was a Marine Corps Intel officer and later spotted Haliburtons wells over on the Iran side of the line, and wrote an article here on CD about it. The Dickless one's Haliburton of course, claimed the Embargo against Iran for US companies didn't apply to them because they had set up a shell company in the Cayman Islands.
All these guys think they're Royalty and the world is just a big chess board for them to war on. John Adams famously stated that the American ideal was to show the world that men could live without a King in their lives. It looks like we have come full circle again. It looks to me like we have a whole bunch of secret kings who are above the law, burning down the planet for profit and jollies.
TJ
(Yes, it appears CD disabled all text formatting. Forces one to use caps for emphasis which looks like you're SHOUTING.)
The 81-year-old said Mr Blair could have slowed the rush to war had he wanted to.
Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Neville Chamberpot, or whoever the next UK PM is, are all devoted junior sycophants of American power and the warm, fuzzy, long ago memory of British imperialism, of Cary Grant and Douglas Fairbanks, Jr. sticking it to the wogs and fuzzy wuzzies. The next PM will move from 10 Downing Street to the Imperial War Museum.
Bush, Blair, Cheney and their ilk should be prosecuted for *political* decisions against humankind, not only for illegal wars of aggression. Saddam's WMD and "war on terror" in Afghanistan were just a pretext for the USA/GB imperialistic expansion in the region. Afghanistan/Iraq occupation is a wedge deeply into the Central Asia which, when connected with NATO military presence in Georgia, Bulgaria and Romania, establishes a full control over Caspian region and its hydrocarbon resources, with additional strategic advantages: isolation of Iran and tightening the military noose around Russia and China. Escalation of "conflict" to Pakistan is in the same function.
The neocons' long-term goal is a total control of Eurasia, with further dismemberment of Russia, if needed. Obama "generously" gave up anti-missile shield in Poland and Czech Rep., ostensibly to appease Russia, but ordered building of a whole new anti-missile armed fleet for the Baltic Sea, a new NATO navy base in Sochi on the Black Sea, and an air force base in Romania. The Baltic Sea fleet is by far more threatening to Russia than the anti-missile shield in Czech Rep./Poland would have been.
No wonder Hans Blix minces his words - the monster is much bigger than Bush/Blair couple of puppets.
This administration is continuing the lies.
Blix sez: "...yes, it's conceivable both could end up on trial."
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"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
(Apologies to Inigo Montoya)
This was simply more American imperialism and we should note
that no one was able to stop us.
Imperialism plus corporatism has created deep fascism and
perhaps only nature and/or the fates can stop us now?
"According to all myth, the female - not the male -- gives life"
error
Alcyon - you are of course correct that the UK has occasionally used the US in the past "as part of their dirty deeds". But it has worked both ways. Certainly the Mossadeq coup appears to have been UK instigated, but Korea might have been more a US "reds under the bed" scare. And Britain (Harold Wilson really) managed to stay out of the Vietnam debacle. It is, however, absolutely clear that the US was the instigator of the Iraq venture. Cheney and Bush and their neocon/Zionist colleagues - Perle, Feith, Wolfowitz - had this on their agenda long before they came to office. You cannot hang that one on Britain. It is true that Blair could have perhaps bought more time but he could not stop the invasion.
The claim that the UK Parliament and US Congress were misled really does not hold. These are supposedly intelligent people with minds of their own. Anyone with half a brain willing to do a little research and listen to the experts like Blix rather than the politicians knew at the time that the claims of WMD being made by Bush, Blair, Cheney, Rice, Powell, and their minions were false. Or at least they knew that enough of it was false to raise questions about the rest - by and large they just acquiesced.
The British idea that Blair should be a candidate for the EU seems to me to represent a great failure of understanding of the European view of the Iraq venture - what were the British MEPs and diplomatic corps in continental Europe up to if they were advising anything other than that it would be a grave mistake to suggest him. It was clear that he would never be acceptable. As to his appointment as a mediator on Palestine and Israel, his clear pro-Israeli bias made that just a joke or rather a sinecure.
>>>grappler wrote: It is, however, absolutely clear that the US was the instigator of the Iraq venture. Cheney and Bush and their neocon/Zionist colleagues - Perle, Feith, Wolfowitz - had this on their agenda long before they came to office. You cannot hang that one on Britain.
I agree - up to a point. But Tony Blair never for once gave the impression that he was a reluctant participant or that he was trying to avoid an invasion until all other options were exhausted. One got the distinct feeling that he clearly saw this as an opportunity for British companies to lay hands on Iraqi resources, and didn't want to be left out of sharing the spoils - the post-war projects and contracts. Someone mentioned - can't remember if it was on CD - that this Iraqi invasion was only the culmination of just one war that started in 1990. I think so too - all through the 1990's, crippling sanctions were maintained and the so-called "no-fly zone" was ruthlessly enforced by the Americans and the British, systematically taking out the Iraqi air-force, and more importantly, their air defense. So, when the invasion took place in 2003, initially at least, it was a cake walk. It's true, the neo-cons had their sight on Iraq and they had their own stupid, arrogant plans and were just waiting for a pretext to go in. But Britain was by no means a reluctant participant. Tony Blair used all his eloquence (which Bush did not have) to try and convince everyone that war was inevitable - despite all the protests and the outrage. Britain was not alone in the so-called coalition of the willing, but it was definitely number 2. If, instead of Blair, there had been a Tory PM, the decision would have been the same. As an aside, it's worth noting that there were people who wanted to join the "coalition" in countries like Canada, and even in India (though mostly limited to the right-wing elite). When it comes to using the government and the military in the interest of their oil companies or weapons manufacturers though, there's no real difference between the US and Britain.
Well these articles seem to suggest otherwise Alcyon - that Bush was pushing Blair and that Blair was having trouble mustering support in Parliament.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolpda/ukfs_news/hi/newsid_8380000/8380139.stm
http://www.silobreaker.com/bush-pushed-blair-on-iraq--former-british-us-ambassador-5_2262767144745828418
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/blair-warned-bush-against-iraq-push-after-911-adviser-20091201-k1ji.html
This suggests that Parliament was not quite a supine as Congress:
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-119473211.html
And this article suggests that Blair was afraid of being outflanked by the Tories and that he wanted to have a referendum on the euro.
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/steve-richards/steve-richards-overwhelming-and-still-underestimated-factors-propelled-blair-into-war-in-iraq-801172.html
It is interesting to read Blair's speech to the TUC where he uses almost exactly your words - "until all other avenues are exhausted" - admittedly in the context of Kosovo and Afghanistan but by implication also Iraq.
Yes Blair used his eloquence once the US had signed him up - he could not go back. Once he had supported Bush he had to show that he was a good soldier. And the US used his persuasive powers at home and abroad. After all it could not rely on Bush for that! Bush also used another reluctant partner - Colin Powell!
As to Iraqi resources, I believe that the French are doing pretty well now
http://www.investorsiraq.com/showthread.php?p=953871
It would have only been a short term loss of business for the UK not to have participated in the war and everyone should have known that.
Agreed that the war itself was a cakewalk - as we all knew it would be I think - I have to admit that I did. And I predicted the ensuing ethnic troubles - not that I have great prescience but I do read the experts.
Agreed that the Tories would have done the same with much less angst.
I am afraid the evidence is clear - Blair *was* pushed by Bush. He should have stood his ground and for that he is eternally condemned! But you can't pin the role of "principal conspirator" on the Brits this time. Look to the neocon/Zionists, the Darth Cheney, and the boy Bush!
>>>But you can't pin the role of "principal conspirator" on the Brits this time. Look to the neocon/Zionists, the Darth Cheney, and the boy Bush!
I think we are arguing on a fine point, and if it's the "principal conspirator" part you are stressing on, I agree with you - there's no question it was the neocons. Thanks for digging up the references - I agree there was more vigorous debate in the UK Parliament - and that's why it should be condemned all the more - because Blair might have acted like a "President" in this instance. I'm comparing Britain with other parliamentary systems, including Canada and India, where a section of the elite and some in the media clearly wanted to join the "coalition". So, the question still remains - why didn't Tony Blair stand up to Bush - he could have easily cited "domestic opposition", "parliamentary system", his own speech earlier, etc. Agreed, it's a "special relationship" and all that...And there were other calculations like you pointed out - like the referendum on the euro, going one-up on the Tories, etc. If this is what it takes to maneuver through politics, it's a sad state of affairs, indeed. In that sense, the blame should go to the entire society. Also, looking at the "coalition of the willing", other than the top two (plus Australia), it's a strange coalition...I imagine books will be written on this subject for some more years to come - and maybe I'll find a more satisfying answer, if I'm still interested, that is :)
This war was a christian crusade for the empire and the extra enthusiasm of Bush and Blair came from their whacko born again faith and the prospect of bringing muslims to christ. This is why blackwater was there to profit, to kill and distribute bibles and advance the empire.
Imagine :
Vietnam -- lies about american ship being attacked by the "communists" - when in reality it was human error caused by a USA navy serviceman that nearly sunk a US warship -- OFF THE COAST OF VIETNAM thousands of miles away where it didn't belong...
Kosovo - and the earlier NATO/US inspired and effected Dismemberment of Yugoslavia into so-called "democratic" countries - but in reality a made up excuse to split yugoslavia , so as to render its "provinces" particularly SERBIA - which is the heart of Yugoslavia - subject to "western" control - which is ultimately a US inspired "cold war" slap in the face to RUSSIA in russia's moments of weakness after the dissolution of the USSR...
IRAQ we know about - then now Afghanistan, spreading to Pakistan...and aiming for the central asian nations and iran...
IMAGINE if any of these EXACT circumstances or anywhere within a million miles of them were committed BY RUSSIA OR CHINA...
oooooo the US media, polity, even its 'peasantry', and the "allies" would scream bloody hell....
except that - contrary to ALL the claims and stories and exaggerations about "the commies are coming"
the Russians are the EVIL empire about to swallow up the world.....the CHINESE are a THREAT to democracy...etc, etc, etc,
it's ALWAYS been the USA that is the HEAD of the GLOBAL SNAKE of imperial, warmaking, security/police/fascist/capitalist exploitation
SNAKE.
from the day :"columbus discovered america" and the day the europeans found the "new world" and embarked on ridding it of its natives and built that nation to SPREAD the
"anglo-saxon white man's burden" nonsense throughout the globe - founded on capitalist exploitation
THAT has always been the story of the "world order".
a world order - exactly intended - as described by George Orwell:
"IF YOU WANT TO ENVISION THE FUTURE...imagine a BOOT on a human face".
and its greatest practitioner is the USA, unfortunately for the americans that are BETTER than that because it is , especially for a country that proclaims its christianity :
a SIN like the mark of Cain..who killed his own brother for personal gain and envy...forever.
I don't know why people expect more of Hans Blix, who was a true hero before the invasion of March 20, 2003. He really was the only one on the international scene willing to get into a diplomatic pissing contest with the U.S. (and GB - by which I mean Great Britain, not GW Bush!). Most diplomats are by nature cautious in their use of accusatory language, trying not to foreclose options.
It also strikes me as important to reiterate, as the article does, that it was in essence the United States that ordered the UN inspectors out of Iraq on short notice, because the U.S. kept alleging that Saddam ordered them out, which is a lie.
The lies continue to this day...over the weekend a Washington Times reporter on one of the talk shows was not called on it when she claimed that the 19 hijackers of 9/11 came from Afghanistan (thus justifying the invasion of that country). Nearly all were Saudis and the conspiracy may have originated in Hamburg, Germany, where many spent much time. (If, that is, the planes really were hijacked! What planes?!)
History is being rewritten as we speak.
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Let us not forget the participation of Vice-President Dick Cheny and Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld in this "Fiasco." The world knows now how they mis-led us, misinformed us and lied to us, preparing us for the invasion of a country that had nothing to do with the attack on 9/ll.
And succeeding magnificently, that is the chilling part.
Succeeding in the great lie, the lie that killed thousands of our young men and women and at least a million Iraqis. But, as Lincoln so wisely said, "A lie will get around the world before the truth can get its boots on."
They not only deceived us without a scintilla of honor, their arrogance then proceeded to sow the seeds of our economic destruction, from which escape is still in doubt.
It is not at all implausible to say, George Bush and Dick Cheney may yet be responsible for the steady, irreversible disintegration of Western Civilization.
I weigh my words carefully. And yet they walk away, scot-free, rich, smiling - with lifestyles that would make many kings enviable.
What are we waiting for? Prosecute in 2012 -judiciously and firmly.
Sincerely,
Carroll W. McInroe
"It is not at all implausible to say, George Bush and Dick Cheney may yet be responsible for the steady, irreversible disintegration of Western Civilization."
This is why people like me have been apoplectic for the past eight years or so. And it just keeps getting worse...
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