Faeces Change the Face of Gaza
GAZA CITY - A stream of dark and putrid sludge snakes through Gaza’s streets. It is a noxious mix of human and animal waste. The stench is overwhelming. The occasional passer-by vomits.
Over recent days this has been a more common sight than the sale of food on the streets of Gaza, choked by a relentless Israeli siege.
Hundreds of thousands of Gazans, almost all of its able male adults among a population of 1.5 million, crossed over into Egypt last week to buy essential provisions - and a new lease of life. That has staved off starvation. But streets continue as sewers.
The rain has not helped. The sludge has spread, and the stench with it. Starved of timely income and essential supplies, municipal services have all but ceased.
“The smell,” says Ayoub al-Saifi, 56, grimacing as he holds a handkerchief over his nose and mouth. “The stench of the sewage…my wife has asthma, and she can’t breathe.”
Saifi lives next to what has become a newly formed pool of waste. This used to be the street leading to home. “It’s getting worse day by day,” says neighbour Said Ammar, an engineer, and father of four.
The sewage treatment plant in al-Zaytoun neighbourhood in Gaza City requires 20,000 litres of fuel a day. Last week Israel ceased delivery of all fuel and supplies to Gaza. The consequences have been catastrophic.
Without fuel to pump it away, the waste backs up, flooding the streets and clogging the plumbing. The local ministry of health has declared this an environmental catastrophe.
Doctors have warned that a medical catastrophe could follow by way of spread of cholera and other diseases. That is at a time when not even life-saving medical services are on offer any more.
“We have to choose between cutting the electricity on babies in the maternity ward, cutting it to heart patients, or shutting down our operating rooms,” says Dr. Mawia Hasaneen, director of emergency at al-Shifa Hospital, the largest in Gaza.
The World Health Organisation released a statement Jan. 22 warning of serious health difficulties arising in Gaza Strip, isolated by the Israeli siege, the Egyptian border and the Mediterranean Sea.
“Frequent electricity cuts and the limited power available to run hospital generators are of particular concern, as they disrupt the functioning of intensive care units, operating theatres, and emergency rooms,” the WHO said. “In the central pharmacy, power shortages have interrupted refrigeration of perishable medical supplies, including vaccine.”
Christine McNab, acting director in the communications department in Geneva adds that “our current concerns are about the supply of electricity to health facilities, the ability to move medical supplies into the region, and the ability of people to seek care outside of Gaza.”
McNab notes that even if the full blockade is lifted, additional measures would need to be taken by the international community against any further disruptions.
Israel has blocked off fuel and supplies to Gaza because it says it faces rocket attacks from the Palestinian area, which elected Hamas, the Palestinian party that does not recognise Israel.
Official Israeli sources say that about 150 homemade rockets have been fired from Gaza into Israel since Israel commenced this latest raid. Two Israelis have been slightly wounded and several others treated for shock.
Israel has retaliated with firing from tanks and attacks by F-16 aircraft firing Hellfire missiles into Gaza’s neighbourhoods. At least 76 Palestinians have been killed, and another 293 injured since Jan. 1, officials here say.
Through the suffering, many Palestinians still do not blame Hamas.
“Hamas has never been the problem. The occupation has always been the big problem,” says Ammar. He instead blames Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, who administers the West Bank Palestinian area, and who has been in talks with Israel.
“Abbas doesn’t deserve one percent of the respect that (former Palestinian leader Ysser) Arafat earned. Israel will never find someone as good as Arafat. He gave them a historical chance at two states. Yet despite this, they (Israel) laid siege to him.”
Rajaa Shalil, 38, and mother of four in Rafah at the Egyptian border, says “my respect for Hamas has increased more than ever. I love them for their empathy for the weak.”
But not all of Gaza’s residents feel this way. “Both Israel and Hamas are the reason for this,” says resident Abu Mohammed. “Before, we were all in better conditions, but since Hamas took over Gaza they have been unable to handle it.”
© 2008 Inter Press Service
Is there no decency left in the world?
Another Warsaw ghetto. We need a US leader that will stand up to Israel. By the way, in the past, Obama has expressed sympathy for the Palestinians. I realize, running for president, it is best to keep his mouth shut at this point.
kathyodat
If this is not ethnic cleasing, then I don’t know what to call it.
I agree ladybug. Another term also comes to mind - genocide.
Suharto just got buried with the full military honors, and the verbal streams from apologists is chilling. We supplied him with guns and money for decades. Gaza. Same story over and over again.
Shame on you Israel and on all those who collude with you in your crime against humanity, against the innocent and the suffering people!
Israel and U.S. demanded elections,
with INTERNATIONAL OBSERVERS
Hamas won in a landslide victory
then the FACISTAs!!!!!!
THE CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISMO-FACISTS
DENIED THE BONA-FIDE ELECTION RESULTS..
hmm………
uh what happened to democracy…
the Facistas made a mockery of Gaza…
OBAMA had better say something useful about Gaza… He keeps the “Talking to Enemies” promise (wonderful logic) which is why he has most of his support.
His last letter to our UN Rep about it was just the same old “Hamas is a terrorist group” crap.
It looks like Israel has decided starve out Gaza (genocide) with the siege to take away the only piece of Palestinian land with access to the Sea.
That is why Gaza is so important.
Israel and the US government are about as Evil as they come.
Hamas earned hardly any negotiation room once elected to power.
Both the US and Israel began boycotts after the Hamas election.
And where are the Democratic presidential candidates on the issue?
rob,
I fear the Dems are scared of this more than any other issue… it gets to the evil heart of the War Machine.
Of course, this blockade by Israel is disgusting, even shameful. The slaughter by Hamas of Israeli civilians is disgusting, too. In fact, I think the rest of the world should boycott-and-blockade both Israel and Gaza until either every single person within both boundaries is dead or one of them kills the other. Bottle them up like the scorpions they are, At least they’ll be leaving the rest of us alone.
Now that the Rafah crossing was opened, even if it doesn’t remain so, I can’t help wondering whether one or two hospital ships could be dispatched to the Gaza Coast to help the very ill that Israel won’t allow out of Gaza.
It’s hard to believe that Israel is the author of such cruel unimaginable collective punishment and that the US is standing idly by, as usual, a shame on all of us!!!
Of course, this blockade by Israel is disgusting, even shameful. The slaughter of Israelis by Hamas and other ragheads is disgusting, too. In fact, I think the rest of the world should boycott-and-blockade both Israel and Gaza until every single person within both boundaries is dead, men, women, babies, goats, sheep, kittens, all of ‘em. Bottle them up like the scorpions they are. At least they’ll be leaving the rest of us in peace.
MSNBC 1/17 - The rockets (from Gaza) have killed 12 people since 2001.
That’s 2 per year. This is slaughter, dr_h?
Your solution is final?
BTW Dr h….alll the rockets that were launched is some oter disgruntled factions….those not under the control of fatah or hamas. What is ISrael doing about its illegal settlers that seems to think that it is ok to take shots at Palestinians?
There is one character, Yishai, that roams the WP forums and claims to be from the illegal settlements and boasts about shooting at Palestinians.Are these folks not considered terrorists? Or is it because they are jews they are excused?
150 rockets…and two people claim slight wounds from those rockets. Was there a fire cracker sale in Gaza?
I’m reading Primo Levi’s IF THIS BE A MAN. Israel has got to be one of the great ironies of our time.
Osama bin Laden’s letter to America has a lengthy list of grievances against the US and its allies and reading it in today’s context, we get new and sobering meaning. He addresses two questions: Why are we fighting you and what do we want from you? The answer to the first question has a lengthy list of grievances related to Palestine. Following is part of his message and you can read the full text here: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worldview/story/0,,845725,00.html
Question 1 - Why are we fighting you?
(1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.
a) You attacked us in Palestine:
(i) Palestine, which has sunk under military occupation for more than 80 years. The British handed over Palestine, with your help and your support, to the Jews, who have occupied it for more than 50 years; years overflowing with oppression, tyranny, crimes, killing, expulsion, destruction and devastation. The creation and continuation of Israel is one of the greatest crimes, and you are the leaders of its criminals. And of course there is no need to explain and prove the degree of American support for Israel. The creation of Israel is a crime which must be erased. Each and every person whose hands have become polluted in the contribution towards this crime must pay its*price, and pay for it heavily.
(ii) It brings us both laughter and tears to see that you have not yet tired of repeating your fabricated lies that the Jews have a historical right to Palestine, as it was promised to them in the Torah. Anyone who disputes with them on this alleged fact is accused of anti-semitism. This is one of the most fallacious, widely-circulated fabrications in history. The people of Palestine are pure Arabs and original Semites. It is the Muslims who are the inheritors of Moses (peace be upon him) and the inheritors of the real Torah that has not been changed. Muslims believe in all of the Prophets, including Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all. If the followers of Moses have been promised a right to Palestine in the Torah, then the Muslims are the most worthy nation of this.
When the Muslims conquered Palestine and drove out the Romans, Palestine and Jerusalem returned to Islaam, the religion of all the Prophets peace be upon them. Therefore, the call to a historical right to Palestine cannot be raised against the Islamic Ummah that believes in all the Prophets of Allah (peace and blessings be upon them) - and we make no distinction between them.
(iii) The blood pouring out of Palestine must be equally revenged. You must know that the Palestinians do not cry alone; their women are not widowed alone; their sons are not orphaned alone.
… (iv) These governments have surrendered to the Jews, and handed them most of Palestine, acknowledging the existence of their state over the dismembered limbs of their own people.
(v) The removal of these governments is an obligation upon us, and a necessary step to free the Ummah, to make the Shariah the supreme law and to regain Palestine. And our fight against these governments is not separate from out fight against you.
(d) You steal our wealth and oil at paltry prices because of you international influence and military threats. This theft is indeed the biggest theft ever witnessed by mankind in the history of the world.
(e) Your forces occupy our countries; you spread your military bases throughout them; you corrupt our lands, and you besiege our sanctities, to protect the security of the Jews and to ensure the continuity of your pillage of our treasures.
(f) You have starved the Muslims of Iraq, where children die every day. It is a wonder that more than 1.5 million Iraqi children have died as a result of your sanctions, and you did not show concern. Yet when 3000 of your people died, the entire world rises and has not yet sat down.
(g) You have supported the Jews in their idea that Jerusalem is their eternal capital, and agreed to move your embassy there. With your help and under your protection, the Israelis are planning to destroy the Al-Aqsa mosque. Under the protection of your weapons, Sharon entered the Al-Aqsa mosque, to pollute it as a preparation to capture and destroy it.
The full text of the letter is worth reading - there will be no peace for the west until this list of grievances is addressed in a meaningful way.
The Israelis have turned Palestine into just the killing field that our government has ordered. Our congress is killing about one child an hour now in Gaza. The summary executions of citizens continues as it has for half a century and more.
It’s a curious thing, I had emailed those two Republican Zionists, Senators Clinton and Lieberman, about their support for these warcrimes on the evening of 10 September 2001. I see that Osama airmailed his comments on the very next day. Curious.
Dear Ambassador Khalilzad,
I understand that today the U.N. Security Council met regarding the situation in Gaza, and that a resolution or statement could be forthcoming from the Council in short order.
I urge you to ensure that the Security Council issue no statement and pass no resolution on this matter that does not fully condemn the rocket assault Hamas has been conducting on civilians in Southern Israel for over two years.
All of us are concerned about the impact of closed border crossings on Palestinian families. However, we have to understand why Israel is forced to do this. Gaza is governed by Hamas, which is a terrorist organization sworn to Israel’s destruction, and Israeli civilians are being bombarded by rockets on an almost daily basis. That is unacceptable and Israel has a right to respond while seeking to minimize any impact on civilians.
The Security Council should clearly and unequivocally condemn the rocket attacks against Israel, and should make clear that Israel has the right to defend itself against such actions. If it cannot bring itself to make these common sense points, I urge you to ensure that it does not speak at all.
Sincerely,
Barack Obama
United States Senator
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If I could give money to Hamas, I would.
I believe international sanctions must be put immediately on Isreal for this, and the US too as an accomplice. This situation must be addressed by the UN, yesterday.
h person, Raghead? I spit in your face, domus, seytan!
I don’t know what happened to my last message. Maybe I said something I shouldn’t have. Anyhow, if you want to get more mileage out of your message, you might send a copy or write directly to info@israel.emb.org.
Congratulations Israel! You have just won the Nazis of the 21st century award.
1940, The Koenig Report, by Joseph Weitz, Head of The Jewish Agency’s Colonization Department:
“We us terror, assasination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of it’s Arab population.” Sounds like todays headlines.
Sixty-Eight years of Torture & Murder by the “Jewish State.”
Any credible politician who are openly against Israel would never make it. If they did by some bizarre mishap, you can rest assured Mossad would take them out and make it look like a Muslim did it. There is a strain of Israeli that is a ruthless animal, only without a soul.
This is freedom of speech in the U.S. Criticize Israel’s brutal policies and get fired, lose tenure, etc..
The language may have been thick, but did Arun Gandhi deserve to be shoved out for criticizing Israel?? This man has spent decades working to keep his grandfather’s legacy alive.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/25/AR2008012502802.html
The grandson of Indian spiritual leader Mahatma Gandhi resigned yesterday as president of the board of a conflict resolution institute after writing an online essay on a Washington Post blog calling Jews and Israel “the biggest players” in a global culture of violence.
Gandhi’s comments were part of a discussion about the future of Jewish identity on the religion blog On Faith at washingtonpost.com. He wrote that Jewish identity is “locked into the holocaust experience,” which Jews “overplay . . . to the point that it begins to repulse friends.” The Jewish nation — Israel, he wrote — is too reliant upon weapons and bombs and should instead befriend its enemies.
The original post:
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/arun_gandhi/2008/01/jewish_identity_in_the_past.html
One of the large population movements and exchanges that happened in the aftermath of World War II was the displacement of 600,000 Jews from Arab countries and 700,000 Arabs from Israel. Those 600,000 Jews were admitted into Israel as citizens. No Arab country would have the 700,000 Arabs. Egypt created Gaza by walling off their border making it difficult for Arabs to move to Egypt. Now that the border has re-opened, there’s really no need to maintain it. Gaza will now become a de-facto part of Egypt. It will then finally be up to them, the country which arguably should most have been there to help right from the very beginning, to resolve the problems of the people who live there.
Apollonius - “Egypt created Gaza by walling off their border making it difficult for Arabs to move to Egypt. Now that the border has re-opened, there’s really no need to maintain it. Gaza will now become a de-facto part of Egypt. It will then finally be up to them, the country which arguably should most have been there to help right from the very beginning, to resolve the problems of the people who live there.”
Hear hear! Excellent point Apollonius. Egypt and the other Arab countries have never stood up for the Palestinians by offering them a home. It is past time that they do so. Why shouldn’t Gaza be a part of Egypt? Seems like a good answer to me.
“The World Health Organisation released a statement Jan. 22 warning of serious health difficulties arising in Gaza Strip, isolated by the Israeli siege, the Egyptian border and the Mediterranean Sea.”
So why have the Egyptians been tacitly cooperating in the blockade? They don’t even have the excuse of Hamas mortar shells. And if the port of Gaza is open, why aren’t the mutual friends of ourselves and the Palestinians, the Saudis, purchasing and shipping supplies?
horrified - “There is one character, Yishai, that roams the WP forums and claims to be from the illegal settlements and boasts about shooting at Palestinians.Are these folks not considered terrorists? Or is it because they are jews they are excused?”
Absolutely he should be found and prosecuted. The settlements have to go along with the rockets. Israel has to make some gesture as well and stopping settler violence seems to make a lot of sense to me.
militantliberal, you asked “so why have the Egyptians been cooperating in this blockade?”
They have not.
The police and security forces of Hosni Mubarak/America have been cooperating in the blockade.
(Mubarak is Egypt’s “president”)
And port of Gaza? Since when? The Jewish State’s Navy (they even have a submarine) blockades the coast.
According to history practically everyone has a claim to the land called Palestine. Dozens of groups have lived in or conquered parts of it. All of the who owns it talk is mostly personal opinion.
What is needed is serious talks on what to do now. So far all we have had is about five groups using refuges and civilians of many ethnic groups in a very sick chess game. The US has been one of the worst manipulators with a big turn for the worse since Bu$h the inferior has slithered into the presidency.
We can be sure that whatever he says during the moronic rambling that passes for a Bu$h the inferior speech will make things worse.
Position on one of our candidates on Gaza - please copy this post below before it disappears!
Dear Ambassador Khalilzad:
I understand that today the U.N. Security Council met regarding the situation in Gaza, and that a resolution or statement could be forthcoming from the Council in short order.
I urge you to ensure that the Security Council issue no statement and pass no resolution on this matter that does not fully condemn the rocket assault Hamas has been conducting on civilians in Southern Israel for over two years.
All of us are concerned about the impact of closed border crossings on Palestinian families. However, we have to understand why Israel is forced to do this. Gaza is governed by Hamas, which is a terrorist organization sworn to Israel’s destruction, and Israeli civilians are being bombarded by rockets on an almost daily basis. That is unacceptable and Israel has a right to respond while seeking to minimize any impact on civilians.
The Security Council should clearly and unequivocally condemn the rocket attacks against Israel, and should make clear that Israel has the right to defend itself against such actions. If it cannot bring itself to make these common sense points, I urge you to ensure that it does not speak at all.
Sincerely,
Barak Obama
United States Senator
We all know the mythology of the exodus from Egypt.
What plagues will God send for the exodus to Egypt?
Barack Obama sounds like he has the Israel Lobby for his ghost writer. What a great disappointment as a US presidential candidate. I though because he was black and would have suffered racial prejudice in his life he would have compassion for the plight of the Palestinians. But no! He sucks up to the Israel Lobby for their support to help his election chances! He is a Judas!
Apollonius January 28th, 2008 7:37 pm..
If you don’t know what you are talking about you make yourself look like an idiot.
The border wall between Egypt and Gaza was built by the Israeli Occupation Forces. In the process they bulldozed and destroyed many houses to create one of their infamous and destructive buffer zones (many thousands of old and productive Palestinian farms were destroyed this way).
It was whilst trying to stop this crime that Rachel Corrie was murdered by a bulldozer driver.
Why should egypt take responsibility for Gaza? That would be playing into the Zionist plan for divide and conquer. The Egyptians are allowing access across the border in defiance of the aggression of the Zionists.
The Zionists have always had a policy of provoking responses from neighbouring states and then launching grotesquely massive responses.. It is their favoured methodolgy..
Can you imagine the squeaking if others did it to them though?? Jeez, you’d here it all across Greater Israel..
A couple of almost ridiculously ineffective homemade rockets is nothing compared to the military machine that the Israeli Occupation Forces can bring to bear.. and despite that they still can’t liquidate 1.5 million Ignorant arab untermensch..? What woulod Jabotinsky have to say to his noble countrymen today??
However, history is not on the side of the evil and the aggressor.
All empires fall, the more repressive, the quicker.
whatfools January 29th, 2008 1:13 am
Quite right.. Mythology. Therefore man made.
militantliberal January 28th, 2008 7:52 pm
The “port” of Gaza isn’t open. The entire coast line apart form a tiny strip of 10 kms is closed by the Zionist Navy. You are right though.. I would love to see a flotilla of ships approach, loaded with supplies, protected by ships of the Saudi Navy.. but theye don’t have too many..
Maybe we could ask the Chinese to get involved.. They might like the enourmous investment opportunities that exist to rebuild the strip. Like to see the Zionist navy take a pot shot at a Chinese naval vessel.. Bit different to some tiny Palestinians fishing boat..
moonbeam January 28th, 2008 4:01 pm
Thanks for the post.. Guess most of the Zionist shrills here can’t understand words of more than 1 syllable..
Israel needs to stand trial at the international level for forcing human beings to live in their own waste; among other cruelties and indignities, as well. Despicable conduct.
The United States must stop allowing Israel to use these tactics on their fellow man. This is abominable. This must cease! Period. As an American citizen-a voter and a taxpayer I do not want my hard-earned money supporting this Zionist regime of torure and abuse against the Palestinians. This needs to cease and desist. Immediately.
This is genocide pure and simple. The government of Israel should be hauled before the Hague and tried for their egregious crimes.
Maybe the corporate usA will print several more tons of fiat frn’s & send another $90 billion to isreal-search $90 billion n see
” moonbeam January 28th, 2008 4:01 pm
Osama bin Laden’s letter to America has a lengthy list of grievances against the US and its allies and reading it in today’s context, we get new and sobering meaning. …”
BEWARE OF MESSAGES LIKE THAT, is a rule-of-thumb that I try to adhere to; investigate it very carefully if you can, to verify the source, the initial date the message was written and the date it was initially sent, etc., or read and just remember to not blindly believe.
One thing that sends off an alarm to me right away is that OBL denied responsibility for or in the 9-11 attacks, initially that is. It’s later in Nov. 2001 that he then reversed his denial and claimed responsibility, which struck me as very suspect, for it didn’t make sense that he’d do both, for he knew as of 9-11 whether or not he was guilty. The denial was truly by him, while, and if I am recalling this correctly, the Nov. reversal, the video, it was NOT him and this was very easy to very quickly see. OBL’s face did not change that much over only two months; surely not.
I read an article several years ago and it was about senior counter-terrorism analysts who, the article said, found it very suspect that OBL would’ve reversed his initial denial; and the reason is that when terrorists act, it’s to send a political message that they have grievances that need to be correctly addressed by the attacked parties, so the terrorists logically or strategically need to claim responsibility when it is they who commit attacks. Otherwise, how could they possibly draw attention from the guilty parties and the international “community” to the grievances of the specific terrorist group? They wouldn’t succeed; the attacks would therefore be futile violence, which is not the purpose of terrorism.
Another thing to be aware of, and then use the knowledge to be very carefully wary, is whenever the “Western” powers claim OBL’s done this that or some other thing, or that he’s sending a threat message again, whatever; well, the Bush administration and U.S. govt have been fabricating many false OBL videos using men who don’t even look like OBL, not for people who’ve carefully looked at pictures when it was really him anyway. They may dress enough like OBL, but they still and clearly aren’t him.
I have a lousy memory for names of people, but a very serious memory when it comes to faces. Nonetheless, many people who’ve carefully examined videos the Bush administration has claimed were of OBL observed that it was NOT him; and I’ve verified and found these people to be … like always right.
Yet a third thing that sends off an alarm of suspicion for me is the article linked in the one for OBL’s message.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,4553547-110490,00.html
Quote: “A chilling new message from Osama bin Laden is being circulated among British Islamic extremists, calling for attacks on civilians ….”
Keyword phrase: ‘Islamic extremists’!
GUILTY UNTIL [PROVEN] GUILTY is a rule that I live by! Claims that aren’t verified or are inadequately, sloppily verified need to be carefully and fully verified, or else disregarded; and verification should be permitted by [independent] parties or investigation.
And if they’re truly ‘extremists’ wanting to attack civilians of the USA and they’re in the UK, which is strongly, en masse, allied with the US in these GWoT wars of totally criminal aggression, as well as being rogue supporter of the rogue U.S. backing of Israel against the Palestinians, then an honest UK govt would expect that such extremists likely enough would also want to attack civilians in the UK; therefore, the govt would make sure to find who these extremists are and then deport them to Saudi Arabia or whereever they’re originally from. Or if they’re born in the UK, then to secure them away from society by incarcerating them, or requiring them to wear surveillance technology for tracking them whereever they go. The govt would peacefully try to do something to try to make sure that extremists known to be planning to launch attacks against civilians would be unable to do so. And even if the govt knew that the extremists in the UK weren’t going to partake in the attacks, they’re still strongly associated with and working for the parties that will commit the attacks; therefore, the govt would minimally make sure to demand all relevant information from these extremists, or else deport or incarcerate or surveil them very closely.
The govt would do something real, instead of just pronouncing fear-mongering words to the public; if the govt was truly honest, that is. Well, we know that neither govt is honest, being that only when it’s insignificant to the warmongering imperialists, etc.
I’ve never heard or read of the UK govt having done that, the above. I’ve read about false claims of extremists planning on blowing up a plane using liquid … whatever bombs, but it was a bogus govt LIE again.
The July 2005 bombing in London happened, but the way the police cold-bloodedly murdered an innocent Brazilian electrician makes the whole story one that’s very suspect on the govt’s part. Making it all the more suspect, and this if I’m recalling correctly, the people the govt purported to be guilty served … like basically no prison time after the govt purportedly caught the right persons, so the extremists who committed that July 2005 bombing.
There’s far more reason to suspect pretty much [everything] the UK and US govts claim when it has anything to do with the GWoT, than there’s justified cause to believe anything they say; well, when it’s very important and related to the GWoT anyway. EVERYTHING they say!
And it’s awfully easy for almost anyone to come up with a message claiming the Arab or Muslim desire to attack U.S. citizens based on what’s done to Palestinians. After all, all govts know of the extreme guilt of the U.S. in this, and it’s a worldwide known fact, one most people know about. And all of these people know that U.S. and Israel are anti-Muslim in terms of the Palestinians and others. It’s easy to make such connections and then present them in a message while claiming it is from OBL.
Critical analysts, some of them, believe he probably died near the end of 2001 or sometime in 2002 too; and the reason they base this is on reasonable. Whenever he needed dialysis treatment he went to the Pakistani military hospital, which is where he evidently was on [Sept. 10, 2001].
Quote: “whatfools January 28th, 2008 4:16 pm
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It’s a curious thing, I had emailed those two Republican Zionists, Senators Clinton and Lieberman, about their support for these warcrimes on the evening of 10 September 2001. I see that Osama airmailed his comments on the very next day. Curious.”
YES, VERY CURIOUS, INDEED! As I said above, plenty of critical analysts who are against the GWoT and therefore Bush administration, etc., say that OBL was in a Pakistani military hospital on Sept. 10 2001.
Curious alright.
” riveter January 28th, 2008 7:16 pm
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The language may have been thick, but did Arun Gandhi deserve to be shoved out for criticizing Israel?? …
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The grandson of Indian spiritual leader Mahatma Gandhi resigned … after … calling Jews and Israel “the biggest players” in a global culture of violence.
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SEEMS TO HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT USA, imo, but it’s otherwise not a bad judgement call, not an extreme exaggeration. his statement is founded in reality, but could be better stated, for the USA’s worse, as difficult as it might be for some people to realise or accept this, and Israel is as wicked or evil and militarised as it is only BECAUSE OF THE USA. And that, contrary to what many American anti-AIPAC’ers (who are partially reality-based) say, is not because of AIPAC and Israel; except in terms of it being beastly evil or wicked and militarising such a beast is strategically useful for the agendas of the real and hidden ruling elites of the U.S. govt. And they certainly like having the additional front scene bs “antics” of AIPAC, for its wickedness is widely known and helps to distract people from who the real rulers are and their plans for the world; like Joseph Massad wrote at or for Asia Times, and more-so, in terms of the aspects of state and state-corporate gangsterism he doesn’t refer to in all of its respects.
It’s of course important to be well aware of these sick lobby groups, but that’s a far different thing from claiming and believing that they really control the U.S. govt, which they do not; and it’s easy to prove that they don’t, though difficult for the obstinate anti-AIPAC’ers to accept. They sometimes cause me to wonder if they aren’t secretly working for the real and hidden ruling elites, for they’re certainly being rendered extended “favours” again by these dumb anti-AIPAC’ers who refuse to see anything else, including ALL of U.S. history.
I’m not sure if I’m guessing correctly about what he means by “a global culture of violence”, for while AIPAC certainly is an example of Zionist and therefore Israeli violence in the USA, and the same applies, though to somewhat lesser degree, with the lobby that’s been officialised in Canada, f.e., I’m not sure if it’s entirely fitting to say ‘global culture …’.
I have read, however, that these sickos or human [fiends] have been working on trying to establish similar, “sister” lobbies in Europe and (I believe) Russia, yet that’s not global as in universal, which’d require, to use the word strictly enough in terms of its definition anyway, like all countries of this planet (not that I’ve heard of there being any countries on other planets).
What he must surely mean is something I think to guess correctly, but it might be better to clarify what is precisely meant. If he’s talking about the efforts to establish these lobbies in Europe and Russia, in addition to those in the U.S. and Canada, f.e., then this should be stated. It’d help readers who aren’t yet aware of this to learn about it too. Many people possibly haven’t heard or read of this yet; many are not just ignorant, but VERY.
It’s just a matter of trying both being educational for those who’ll learn, and to try to avoid the possibility of appearing a little extremist or fanatical by being unclear to readers. It’s already bad enough that people against what Israel and its lobbies do are fiendishly treated as extremists, fanatical, dead wrong, insane, etc., as it is; we don’t need to give or leave any more cause, as slight or little as it may be, to people who are … “thick as a brick!” (dense, opaque, light doesn’t penetrate), or diabolically demented, or both (likely enough).
I would specifically refer to what Israel is and has long been diabolically doing to the Palestinians, its lobbies and their insane “business”. Also includable is the fact that Israel partakes with the U.S. enterprise in, f.e., the crimes of aggression against African peoples and for the sake of mining and possibly petroleum resources, if not also other resources; although I’m not sure if Israel is doing that for more than the uranium. Keith Harmon Snow wrote about this in one or more of his articles, www.allthingspass.com , and the correct ones to check should be identifiable by doing a Web search using his site’s url, ‘Israel’, and ‘uranium’, say.
I just tried that Web search and it quickly returns successful results, seeing this immediately in the first page , while also noticing that one indicates that U.S.A.’s pal Taiwan’s also in on this racket and in doing it with the USA, then also in on the crimes of wicked aggression; very extreme, and very covert and underreported. And all three of these predatory countries claim to be democratic?! (They lack the teeth for it, but not the bombs and guns, eh; motherf*ckers.)
And as hellishly insane as it is, what U.S.-Israel have been long doing to Palestinians, it’s even worse in, f.e., the Congo and/or DRC, where around 6MN or more innocent and defenceless Africans have been murdered, many, very many brutally raped in horrifically diabolical ways, and so on, in addition to being expropriated and left to fend for themselves to try to find someplace to relocate to; for the survivors, that is.
ALL this hellish madness! Palestine, African countries, Iraq, Afghanistan, Haiti, …! And what the F*CK is the F*CKING UNSC doing? BS. Damn F*CKING piece of sh*t entity that it allows itself to be made by F*CKHEAD USA and its real and hidden ruling elite SCHMUCKS from hell’s making.
That to me, is all (including the immediately above, though I’ll understand if some people don’t understand) factual and therefore more difficult for insane Zionists and their allies to argue against, for they can then be easily enough exposed for their … again lies and evil nature.
There are too many people in the “West” who are too ignorant; not making any serious use of the Internet, except for their personal interests. And writing for the public, then we should try to be adequately clear, to sufficiently inform readers, for some may not yet have learned enough about all of what’s going on today and all that’s gone on before, and which is all lead-up to what’s going on today. Addressing public audiences is best done when we communicate so that people who need catching up will receive the needed information.
Otherwise, we risk causing further build-up of opposition to what must be done, the necessary and more than justified corrections that need to be supported and implemented. It’ll take massive support for the implementation phase to be started; else the real and hidden ruling elites will more easily continue with their secret agendas.
Take, f.e., articles by Keith Harmon Snow. No one can walk away from these without receiving extensive and qualitative education; and nothing is left that’s not clearly understandable by all readers with reasonable or sufficient intelligence.
Anyway, the USA and its real and hidden ruling elites are ‘THE BIGGEST PLAYERS’; they dwarf Israel, as evil and military powerful as it is. It’s not the superpower, but the superpower has helped to make Israel the 4th or 5th most powerful military on Earth. Yet Israel is not seeking worldwide conquest and domination anywhere nearing the extent that the USA and its ruling elites are and have long been working on trying to achieve. It’s not Israel that’s overthrown totally legitimate and good govts in many countries, replacing them with despotic, wickedly evil tyrants, etc.; no, that’s the USA that’s done this, and much more evil.
That’s due to neither Israel nor Jews!
And the Israeli leadership is not evil as it is because of the Holocaust, which is something they don’t care about, except to maliciously use it to deceive the masses, or to try to anyway, but then many are being fooled. As for Jewish citizens of Israel, sure, I suppose there’s a number of them who actually do use the Holocaust reference as their reason and they really believe that it’s valid; but there likely are plenty who know that it’s wrong. And most Jews there don’t have any ancestral-historical relationship to the Middle East AT ALL to begin with, so while the Holocaust may be ancestrally or historically relevant to some Jews, the relevance has nothing to do with the area in which the state Israel was criminally established.
Norman G. Finkelstein has written about the bogusness of the ‘Holocaust Industry’, how the Holocaust is being used in fraudulent terms and in order to try to deceive the populations of this planet (the human populations, of course). It’s easy to find links to pages in which he speaks on this topic, by simply doing a Web search using his name and ‘Holocaust Industry’.
It’s also a historical mistake to claim that Hitler and the Nazis were solely responsible for the Holocaust, for Zionists evidently knew it was going to happen, and others who were non-Zionist Jews asked for the rich Zionist “Jews” to help the innocent Jews who were believed to be in the vulnerable areas. These Zionist “Jews” blatantly rejected these pleas, treating the innocent Jews as “sacrifical lambs” for the Zionist agenda of establishing the state of Israel.
That information is available at some anti-Zionist Jewish websites, such as at nkusa.org, and www.jewsAgainstZionism.com , f.e. And I suppose it can also be found at other websites. JAZ has copies of a letter or letters sent by true Jewish rabbis to the Zionists, to plead or ask for their help before the Holocaust would happen. But I’ve also read more than that, though perhaps from other sources (websites) or articles at JAZ or NKUSA, which is the U.S. branch of the parent international organisation.
So, and while I’m not expert in this topic area, most topic areas for that matter, Arun Gandhi messed up a “little”; a wee bit too exaggerated in his claimed assessment of reality. He doesn’t seem to know enough about the overall subject area.
I have learned enough from my readings to be able to say this much.
And I really don’t like it when peace and justice activists get their facts or claims screwed up, for it does not help the P&J cause; it tends to hurt it, by giving cause to people to not believe, to ridicule, etc. Examine Norman Finkelstein and Joseph Massad, their writings, f.e.; they’re both Jewish, and Finkelstein, if not both, have real historical relationship with the Holocaust. Finkelstein’s parents were victims of it.
This has gotten to be long, and I’ve already posted lengthy pieces in this page already, so I won’t say anything more on the above. However, I’ll recommend the post by EILEEN FLEMING in the following page.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/01/27/6657/
She’s been to Palestine for several months and has real, first-hand knowledge of the situation there; and her post is very good for reference.
I clearly used 18th century for Lord Curzon invalidly; when it’s 19th century. If recalling correctly, I had read something somewhat relevant about the 18th century and this being what I had in mind to refer to, I neglected to correctly specify the century for Curzon. But I’m not going to look for what that 18th century matter was about now. Curzon and the British aggression in the Middle East during the 19th century should be more than enough. His words were stated after the aggression had already commenced, which was sometime around the middle of the 19th century, if I’m recalling this correctly.
Dr John Coleman is one of the revisionist historians people interested in learing what these historians says should find very interesting to read. One of his books covers Western imperialist aggression on the Middle East, Iran and Iraq, 19th and 20th centuries, the establishment of the League of Nations and it being obsoleted with the establishment of the U.N. as a more powerful instrument of the imperialist ruling elites, U.S. and U.K. aggressions on the M.E. during the 20th century to today, and plenty more of importance; assuming it’s all or mostly true anyway.
There are others, but I’m not familiar enough with revisionist history and the historians producing this.
It’s all on the Internet.
Yeah, me again. Here’s an article I’ve been waiting for a good opportunity to post the link for, and the IPS article makes this such an occasion. I believe everyone who cares about what’s done to the Palestinians should carefully consider what Mike Whitney says, and keep it in mind.
“Escape from Gaza or Voluntary Transfer?
by Mike Whitney
Global Research, January 25, 2008″
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7895
Quote:
“Forget everything you’ve read about the “Great Escape” from Gaza. It’s thoroughly misleading, most probably cooked up in an Israeli think tank as way to rid Palestine of its indigenous people.
…
This is just another grim chapter in Bush’s “New Middle East”.”
WHITNEY, as usual of him, very well argues his point, and I believe he’s surely right. It makes sense and strongly so; very convincingly. If he is right, then it’s definitely very important information and analysis for enabling readers to not be deceived by and to counter the disinformation, …, “campaign” of “Western” and Israeli news media.
He makes very good use of Israeli news media reports to prove his point, while exposing these media for their bs or lies; and after reading his article, I think it must be lies that they produced or published, for they surely know the situation too well for what they wrote to be mistakes based on ignorance.
It’s frustrating, for I’ve read some good articles at Ha’aretz before, but the last few or more that I’ve read have been bogus, bs, ….