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Discussing the Motives of the Afghan Shooter
Here’s a summary of the Western media discussion of what motivated U.S. Staff Sgt. Robert Bales to allegedly kill 16 Afghans, including 9 children: he was drunk, he was experiencing financial stress, he was passed over for a promotion, he had a traumatic brain injury, he had marital problems, he suffered from the stresses of four tours of duty, he “saw his buddy’s leg blown off the day before the massacre,” etc.
U.S. Staff Sgt. Robert Bales (File)
Here’s a summary of the Western media discussion of what motivates Muslims to kill Americans: they are primitive, fanatically religious, hateful Terrorists.
Even when Muslims who engage in such acts toward Americans clearly and repeatedly explain that they did it in response to American acts of domination, aggression, violence and civilian-killing in their countries, and even when the violence is confined to soldiers who are part of a foreign army that has invaded and occupied their country, the only cognizable motive is one of primitive, hateful evil. It is an act of Evil Terrorism, and that is all there is to say about it.
Note, too, that in the case of Sgt. Bales (or any other cases of American violence against Muslims), people have little difficulty understanding the distinction between (a) discussing and trying to understand the underlying motives of the act (causation) and (b) defending the act (justification). But that same distinction completely evaporates when it comes to Muslim violence against Americans. Those who attempt to understand or explain the act — they’re responding to American violence in their country; they are traumatized and angry at the continuous deaths of Muslim children and innocent adults; they’ve calculated that striking at Americans is the ony way to deter further American aggression in their part of the world — are immediately accused of mitigating, justifying or even defending Terrorism.
There is, quite obviously, a desperate need to believe that when an American engages in acts of violence of this type (meaning: as a deviation from formal American policy), there must be some underlying mental or emotional cause that makes it sensible, something other than an act of pure hatred or Evil. When a Muslim engages in acts of violence against Americans, there is an equally desperate need to believe the opposite: that this is yet another manifestation of inscrutable hatred and Evil, and any discussion of any other causes must be prohibited and ignored.
Read the full article with updates at Salon.com
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Show AllTerrorist is a magical word, something out of the looking glass. To quote H. Dumpty:
“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”
We here label anyone we please ( except the expendable heroes who fight our imperial wars) terrorist and then dispense them without any further ado to eternal imprisonment or to the the great beyond. Thank god we have a wise and omnipotent imperial chief executive committed to the judgments and benediction of the labelings and whatever consequences proceed from them.
Excellent post!
The Brass has had eight years to solve the problem of the true story coming out like it did in the Jessica Lynch story.
The Brass were able to keep the lid on the assassination of Pat Tillman.
There's no way in hell 20 soldiers are going to Leavenworth; the Brass remembers what happened in Viet Nam when too many of the grunts got pissed off.
So the story will remain that a lone gunman gunned down 16 residents in two villages all by himself, the Afghani witnesses telling differing stories will be ignored.
The truth stays buried on this incident.
Glenn Greenwald's article should be used as a preface or forward to all US history textbooks.
Nationalism: a degenerative cognitive disorder preventing a rational analysis of events. Can result in blindness as well as self-destructive, psychotic behaviors and aggressive, violent response. Self-righteous delusions of exceptionalism and moral authority are common.
Cool post, Iowa Pinko. This bending of language to maintain the illusion that America's military macho, and all of its horrific fruit, represents rational behavior, whilst those who respond (with what weapons they have) in a retaliatory manner are somehow taken for menaces, primitives, or worse... helps to keep citizens of the Homeland, who might otherwise be troubled by an intact conscience, blinded by the deceptive Light of an endless stream of luminous propaganda.
Glen Greenwald's article should be stashed in the circular file, for it suffers from such absurd oversimplification as to render it not only worthless but rather a piece of unmitigated propaganda.
Not even the mainstream media paints the issues in such black and white terms as Greenwald would have us believe.
But what he doesn't say is that many (if not most) in the left side of the American political spectrum participate in the demonization of the "primitive" tribal or Islamic Afghani people.
That the Afghanis have a different standard of gender relationships, that they impose very harsh punishments for minor crimes, that they place tribal or sectarian loyalty over universal legal principles of justice - are unquestionable evidence to feminists and progressives of the backwardness and immorality of those people.
And that primitiveness demands that we modernize and democratize the Afghani nation (though we would prefer it be done by somewhat less bloody means).
I am not sure where your opinion lands. The Pashtun code of honor is one we may all aspire too and goes beyond standard international court justice. The gender difference, is that the Afghans are more paternalistic, but even that has some benefit for women when rapists are summarily executed. Crime is not tolerated, which also has some good sides, especially in avoiding fascism. Often Tribal organisation is much more humane than "modern" society. Of course the USA invasion has hurt the Afghans more than any Sharia government could ever harm the Afghans.
Right on Glenn Greenwald! Between this article, Chris Hedges's piece this morning on Truthdig and Dr. Cesar Chelala's two essays over the weekend, President Obama and all his hawk military advisors have enough powerful reading material to rouse even the dead. It doesn't get any more evocative or better than these three authors. The question remains, however, how is it our so called "wise men" in charge can't find their way to their hearts and respond accordingly? Oh, that's right, they have no sense of moral decency or compassion.
Regarding this piece, specifically, thank you Glenn Greenwald! This is what empathy and compassion are supposed to look like.
While I agree with your sentiments, Elizabeth, Obama the Baby Killer will ignore all of those articles and all voices of sanity and reason, because he loves what he does. You can't rouse a dead soul.
In my heart I know you're right tomcarberry. I guess somewhere deep down beneath all my cynicism, disappointment, feelings of futility and sorrow, I still "hope" one day one of these guiltless baby killers will wake the hell up and call us home from these atrocious wars.
Excellent article. It would help if the news media would personalize each of Bale's victims with stories of their lives, who they were, why they were loved (much as the media did for all the 9-11 victims).
But the mainstream media won't bother, of course. As long as the Afgans are some anonymous, de-personalized mass of people we really don't understand, war is easier. And war atrocities easier to ignore.
" if the news media would personalize each of Bale's victims with stories of their lives"
Your point is well taken in the sense of "personalizing the victims"... but by saying they are "Bale's Victims", you are accepting of the official narrative without serious analysis. Perhaps that it's because the "one bad apple" narrative is far easier to understand and relate to than the "US Military has systemic psychotic issues".
It is baffling to me how anyone can ignore these crimes. The faces of the Afghan people mourning their dead haunt me.
Glenn Greenwald seems to forget -- once again -- that Americans are the good guys. Apparently, K-12 education did not work on him, so I think the only answer to this dilemma is to force Greenwald to re-read American history textbooks and watch nothing but Top Gun, Rambo and old GI Joe cartoons until he learns to accept the reality that all other red-blooded Americans know instinctively: we are the good guys, and they are the bad guys. It's really that simple -- no need for all this gobbedly gook comparing the motivations of Muslims and the motivations of Sgt. Bale, blah blah blah. It's unfortunate that K-12 programming doesn't work on everyone, but sometimes apparently greater efforts are needed to instill these beliefs. C'mon, Glenn, say it with me: USA, USA!!!
Greenwald does an excellent job, as usual. But he does neglect one important part of this process. "The other" operates as a group when committing violence. "They" are plural and what they do reveals the essential nature of "them" and "their" society. When our side does something evil it is not only an issue of mental illness and aberration, it is also SINGULAR. And since the "lone nut" is full of sound and fury, his acts signify nothing--say nothing whatsoever about our structures and our society and our everyday functioning. Who carried out this massacre? Well, the version given by the US military and the US mainstream media (single perpetrator, mentally unfit) is NOT the default position. It has to establish itself over alternative voices through evidence and reasoning, and this it has not yet done.
When we ignore, without any good reason, what Afghans are saying (multiple perpetrators) we are buying into the very same process we are trying to criticize here.
http://outlookafghanistan.net/news?post_id=3685
Up to 20 US Troops Executed Panjwai Massacre: Probe
KANDAHAR CITY - A parliamentary probe team on Thursday said up to 20 American troops were involved in Sunday's killing of 16 civilians in southern Kandahar province.
The probing delegation includes lawmakers Hamidzai Lali, Abdul Rahim Ayubi, Shakiba Hashimi, Syed Mohammad Akhund and Bismillah Afghanmal, all representing Kandahar province at the Wolesi Jirga and Abdul Latif Padram, a lawmaker from northern Badakhshan province, Mirbat Mangal, Khost province, Muhammad Sarwar Usmani, Farah province.
The team spent two days in the province, interviewing the bereaved families, tribal elders, survivors and collecting evidences at the site in Panjwai district.
Hamizai Lali told Pajhwok Afghan News their investigation showed there were 15 to 20 American soldiers, who executed the brutal killings.
Excellent post. It bears repeating:
"When we ignore, without any good reason, what Afghans are saying (multiple perpetrators) we are buying into the very same process we are trying to criticize here."
If possible, Obama will have Karzai arrest these truth finders on trumped up charges, throw them in a dark prison and keep them there. He's done it before.
EXACTLY!
Robert Bales is a corporate soldier.
The people we are told are "terrorists" are those who do not support the corporate domination of the world. This includes innocent bystanders (slaughtered victims) who are not adding to the corporate monetary profits.
The corporate ownership will, as quietly as possible, replace the broken part of the machine.
Business as usual.
"Robert Bales is a corporate soldier."
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The Man In the Gray Camo Suit
Sgt. Bales' mad act is a symptom of a MAD war.
So you accept that this was an act of a "lone gunman"?
We shouldn't be concerned with motives. We should be concerned with the acts. The man (I use that term loosely) if he acted alone intentionally murdered sixteen unarmed people (many children) asleep in their beds, and according to the Afghan officials raped two of the women, and piled up the bodies and tried to burn them.
I frankly don't care what his motives were.
two rapes and 16 murders in one hour, two separate locations... plus the time to "pile the bodies and set them alight". Dude must be superman.
it is always messy when running a heroin operation in other countries...
I heard, early on, that this was not the act of a single soldier...
let us tread intellectual and spiritual water in perpetual 'pretend' mode...
As someone who has observed America's racist wars for over 60 years I can assure you this guy was living the real American dream.
"Savages" are always those who resist our violent acts...
Powerful distillation... in one simple statement.
Like Red Cloud, Crazy Horse, Sitting Bull, Chief Joseph, Cochise, Geronimo, Black Kettle, Allison Krause, Jeffrey Miller, William Schroeder, Sandra Scheuer and millions more.
Is Bales really any different than the thousands of 'heroes' that will be celebrated with parades on the 4th of July. He's just the one who was not able to get away with it, yet. And what does all of this say about the rest of us - all of those who vote over, and over, and over again for Ds and Rs. It is well past time for the voters to understand that they are complicit. None of this would be happening if the Congress and Commander-in-chief were not members of the R/D war party. Common folks - put your ballot where your mouth is. Join the call for taxpayers to pay war reparations to Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Panama, Vietnam, Korea.........................
Well said but I would suggest that the war reparations come from the corporations that profited from the these wars and not from the US taxpayer.
" the only cognizable motive is one of primitive, hateful evil. It is an act of Evil Terrorism, and that is all there is to say about it."-what the nazis said about the resistance, what the french said about the algerians, what the british said about the sepoy rebellion in india, or about the mau-mau resistance in kenya...
@richsmith2
Great Post!!
Could not a agree more.
A "terrorist" is the most recent way to instantly, in a word, remove the humanity away from a group or an individual so they might be killed and the population is given a path to assuage they're guilt in what typically ends up being a genocide.
But "Terrorist" far more powerful than say "Savage". As being a "Terrorist" is of the mind and belief not of the race or culture. This allows the Ruling Elite/Empire to label anyone that might stand up for Human Rights and Democracy and an accountable leaders and anyone who stands against against War Crimes and the worldwide assault on the 99.9% or against corporations and the plundering of the planet for profit as a "Terrorist".
"You are either with us or against us"
America was founded by people who made enemies of the original inhabitants of the "new" land. The indigenous peoples began to resist the relentless occupation of their land and other forms of violence directed at them, and this gave rise to a deep fear of the "savage" Other.
Slavery added to this paranoia, as the colonists, later American citizens, grew to fear the possibility of resistance by people they had enslaved. Later on this fear took on a sexual dimension, as white Americans expressed fear and rage over the supposed "uncontrollable" lust of the "savages" who were either enslaved, or who descended from those who had been enslaved.
America was built on the near extermination of the indigenous people; and on the forced labour of enslaved people.
Hitler's favourite reading was the works of Karl May, a widely popular German author who wrote Westerns. From this reading Hitler learned how the "white" people had committed genocide against the indigenous people in order to seize their land and resources. When Hitler invaded the USSR in an attempt to seize its land and resources, he ordered that hundreds of thousands of copies of May's books be distributed to his troops.
Hitler also knew about, and admired, the eugenic experiments conducted on African Americans and "mentally deficient" people in the early part of the 20th century in many parts of the US. He ordered that a program of extermination be applied to the "mentally deficient" in Germany ("life unworthy of life"), which led to the deaths of many thousands of people diagnosed as such.
In the USSR, Hitler planned to bring about a massive reduction of the population by depriving the inhabitants of food and by extermination. The figure mentioned was over 30 million. The remainder of the population would be deprived of education, and would be forced to work as serfs for German colonists, who would settle in the land "cleared' by the Hunger Plan. In these plans, the activities of the American settlers who killed off the indigenous occupants of lands on the "frontier" and settled those lands as they saw fit was an inspiration to Hitler.
Hitler made the mistake of attempting to colonize a country that was capable of defending itself successfully against his invasion.He attempted to treat the Soviet peoples as if they were similar to the indigenous people of America in terms of organization and economic development.
Hitler's schemes. elaborated in great detail by a host of brilliant subordinates, were an attempt to repeat the American experience of conquering and settling an area occupied by backward people. His invasion of the USSR was a colonial land grab on a massive scale, with a timetable not of centuries, as in America, but of a few decades.
Hitler's war broke the back of Western European imperialism, and brought the US to the forefront as an imperial power. The US has, since the end of WWII, carried on its long tradition of inflicting violence on "uncivilized" people, though without the goal of settling their land. This incidental difference -- due to the vastness of the American landmass, which has so far been sufficient to satisfy American land hunger -- is used by many apologists to pretend that there is a huge difference between what Hitler attempted, and what America is attempting.
But the open racism, the ruthlessness, the arrogance, and the refusal to learn from experience (except to develop more effective means of dominance) has all the hallmarks of Hitler's racist, ruthless, arrogant, and self-satisfied attempt to use American methods to make Germany a world power.
Hitler's attempt to exterminate every single Jew took his fantasies -- and paranoia -- to a horrific extreme. It has not been copied by the Americans. However, Hitler might have said the Americans didn't need to copy him in this policy, since they had already -- to all intents and purposes -- already accomplished it in regard to the indigenous peoples in America. Rather, he might have said that the American were his teachers, and he was their eager pupil when it came to conquering land, exterminating opponents, settling a vast area, and using it as a base for world power.
Only if Americans face up to the facts of their history, and confront the deeply embedded "lessons" they learned early and never really put behind them, can they do away with their paranoia, their guilt, and the their brutal, false attempts to bury both of these under massive violence.
Staff Sgt. Bales is a typical American soldier -- or was, until he carried out his massacre. He was enacting an American tradition when he fought in Iraq, and then in Afghanistan. He now takes his place alongside all those American "heroes" who ranged over the lands occupied by "backward, unChristian, savage" peoples, killing them in the name of "freedom", "security", and "Civilization".
Now sit back and watch as the American people shower him with sympathy and "understanding"; as their way to escape their complicity in his crimes.
Excellent post. Backward in paragraph 8 also needs " backward". Yes the extermination of the Bison was a "Hunger/Starvation Plan".
lanista: You say Islamic violence against Afghans? Almost all Afghans are Muslim--or are you not aware of that?
No offense, lanista, but if I were you I wouldn't be so quick to refer readers to the comments thread to yesterday's Scott Long article.
Your characteristically simplistic, crypto-exceptionalist comment there, which you obviously still consider to be a telling "score" against the "Blame Amerika First" boogie-man you're always chasing, was eloquently dissected and refuted by a series of informative and thoughtful rebuttals.
Ianista you do have a small point. We should condemn the civilian murders by whomever, and I am sure most here agree. Likewise, the MSM makes a carreer of demonizing the victims of USA's fascist imperial policies and routinely over estimates the oppositions murderous acts and miminalizes the millions murdered by the USA in the last sixty years. Supposedly we have some control over the murders committed in our name, but in reality we control the Taliban as much as we control OilyBomber Inc. So with our voices we attempt to temper the aggressor we fininacially support, and we deal with our frustration in attempting to create a nation which adheres to universal morallity. We speak but few hear, perhaps you may hear. Keep in mind the Taliban had pacified and stabilized Afghanistan after decades of horrendous civil war, ignited in great extent by the USA's arming of Foundalmentalists and Landlords pre- Soviet invasion. I am sure you are too intelligent to believe all the false excuses presented by the MSM for attacking Afghanistan.
Shooters.
"The villagers said they were hearing machine gun fire and pistol fire from different directions," said Ghani. A spokesman for US-led forces, US Army Lt. Col. Jimmie Cummings, said Monday that their reports still indicate a single soldier carried out the attacks. "There's no indication that there was more than one shooter," said Cummings.
Ten years ago, NFL linebacker and Army Ranger Pat Tillman was gunned down by friendly fire. The Army lied its pants off about the incident.
If the Army prayed to its god (probably Mars, the Roman god of war) they couldn't have found a better way to lose the Afghanistan war than to tell utterly stupid lies to the world, knowing that they would get caught and hated when the truth came out.
As a small service to the country, we need to demote and fire everybody up the chain of command involved in this non-transparency conspiracy.
Are we going to ignore some very simple facts, about this and about other "murders" which have taken place in Iraq and Afghanistan (and previous theatres of war).
Some people join the armed forces because they have a desire to kill people, because they are very violent, and if they are allowed to kill people, then they are living the dream.
This guy is a criminal, and he is quite typical of many people serving in our armed forces. They do not join uo to make the World a better place, they join up for the excitement, the buzz, the chance to experience extreme situations, and more importantly the chance to engage in violence which will result in them killing people.
Andy UK:
I think you are right that sadistic, adventurous fantasies are surely what motivate some people to join the military.Throughout history, the soldier has always been a morally ambiguous figure, because he is a licensed murderer. Belligerent, macho states, like the USA, which make a habit of war will go to great lengths to "rehabilitate" the moral image of the warrior, from cold killer to warm "hero."
I've always liked the sentiments of Ralph Waldo Emerson on the barbarism of soldiering:
"I do not like to see a sword at a man's side. If it threaten man, it threatens me. A company of soldiers is an offensive spectacle."
Would that more people, in this violent troubled world, were of the same mind as Emerson!
When it was dicovered that those responsible for the Oklahoma City bombing were from the mid west, not the mid east, the media examined militia groups, giving much attention to, and understanding of, their concerns. But when a muslim group attempted to blow up the World Trade Center with a truck bomb, they were dismissed as evil. It was as if any examination of the provocations that led to the act would have been a justification.
Don't look too closely at that 1993 WTC bombing, or you might find that it was the really the FBI, up to their usual tricks. And while you're at it, don't look too closely at the Oklahoma City bombing, either, or you might find the clues lead to conclusions that differ from what the MSM would have us believe. There is hardly an act of "terror" that the US isn't behind, though they always have us looking elsewhere. The real terrorists are in DC, Langley, the Pentagon, Wall Street, and NATO.
Take a good look at this guy he looks like the handsome guy in the Texico comercials of the 60's. He is not evil looking like Lt Calley or the Sean Penn character in Casualties of War. The 51% female population of this country will not fry him he will do 10 years max.
He is a true American hero. I would not be surprised if he is flooded with fan mail and offers of marriage.
His lawyer stated this evening that Bales does not recall anything at all that happened after he left his base camp until he returned to camp.
The defence (may be), that he didn't do it? __ He went for a walk is all. He was distraugt, couldn't sleep, because his best friend lost a leg from a roadside bomb two days prior Bales said,,,, not one day prior as has been reported. No military info yet on the bomb incident.
The defense... The Afghans must have had a fight between the two villages if anyone was killed and we all know how those drug addicted people are over there... Where is the evidence of anyone murdered or raped? (*Habeus Corpus, where are the bodies?*) __ Where are the ballistics, what type of bullets were fired? Wher is the blood evidence, the DNA evidence, prints, etc, etc, etc? ... It was pitch black, who could identify Bales as the killer?
A very good defense lawyer could build a very good defense if his client remains silent and knows nothing about any killings. And his lawyer is one of the very best.
If he is convicted of murder, the max sentence is death, UCMJ... If he just goes to jail and his wife divorses him, I doubt he will get many offers of marriage... He owes ($1.5) million for a legal judgment against him due to losing a lawsuit where he was found guilty of fraud when he was a stock broker.
That court judgment was about10 years years ago and he hasn't paid any of the judgment, so the interest on the ($1.5) mil is growing, it would be about double now.
That may be why he joined the army, as I do not believe any can garnish a soldier's wages for any reason except child or wife support... I may be incorrect about that, but I don't think so.
Bales was a sniper... Soldiers who are snipers volunteer for sniper duty... Snipers are very highly trained to be top notch killers, more than half usually wash out of a class.... People who are snipers would very possibly, or maybe most likely, have no remorse for killing anyone,,, drunk or sober... Most serial killers were said to be "nice" guys, friendly, family type and it did not seem possible for them to be evil killers..... But they were.
There will be a Hollywood movie... Only in Aneica.
What a ton of American crap about the Afghan shooter and his motives. Nobody knows what his motives were and what went wrong in his mind. That's America for you, the land of jump to conclusions. Some would do good for their psyche by reading Chris Hedges' " Murder Is Not an Anomaly in War" http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/03/19-0
As for the Afghans being invaded by another country that cannot mind it's own business, they are simply defending their country from the above American crap that passes for facts when one needs to start a war to get one's rocks off. We know who starts the wars: the old fortunate sons that do not fight in them and those who die or are maimed for life: the young. Well the cost of war if one survives is PTSD that is if the person going to war is not already out of his mind or a certified sociopath or psychopath. Imagine if America was invaded by Afghans, it would'nt be the same story because then America would be defending themselves. America practises the fine art of if one wants to kill his dog, one must find a sickness for it. Please no more of these lame stories and be sure to read Chris Hedges story about wars.
First off, there are a lot of comments on here about Staff Sgt. Bales which leads me to believe that either many people, or possibly myself missed the point of this article.
From what I understand, this article is here to open our minds to how the otherness card has been played in our observations of the Arab world. That there is a spin being played to allow us to paint in broad strokes and easily differentiate between us and them. Just the fact that we can call them "them" allows us to disassociate any empathy we may have. And while I agree that we have an imperative to acknowledge the Arab world as our equals as human beings, there is no reason to garner sympathy for the heinous acts carried out in the name of god by a reactionary brand of Islam.
These are not just acts against us("the west") but their own people, whether it be because of a different ancestral heritage or a slight difference in their beliefs about their prophet. These Islamic Fascists want nothing more than to drag the world back to the Dark Ages and instate their own theocratic rule. The acts of terror(I cringed a little at using this word) perpetrated by al-Qaeda, Hamas and others are a cancer on civilized society and these groups deserve to be stamped out.
In closing, while I believe that the quick association in America that tends to encompass all muslim arabs as terrorists is wrong, the implication in the article that suicide bombings and IED's are somehow justified is even more appalling.
If anyone invaded my country I would be happy to help them leave by planting IEDs.It would be fully justifiable, as even the UN recognises the right of the occupied to fight back against the occupier. The defenders of invaded nations , especially those who die in defence of the invaded nation, are usually seen as heroes by the defneders. Even the USA recognises that those who die fighting for what their country believes in are heroes to be awarded a hero's burial in Arlington cemetery.
The acts of aggression started well before we occupied Afghanistan. It is why we are there. Unfortunately the government and media have done a piss poor job of delineating between who we are fighting. We are not fighting the afghan people. We are fighting the extreme brand of theocratic Islam that was allowed to breed and thrive in that country. I contend that the article tries to sympathize/justify the acts of those people and I believe that justification is dangerous as well as counter-intuitive to the ideals of a civilized society.