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Where Was The “Professional Left” A Year Ago?
On May 12, 2009, I attended a briefing at the White House as part of a group of grassroots activists and community artists. Mike Strautmanis, Chief of Staff for the Office of Public Liaison and top White House advisor Valerie Jarrett, made some remarks about how community activists have a seat at the table as the Obama Administration sets the agenda for change. I raised my hand. Sometimes, I said, the role of advocates isn't to be inside at the table, but entirely outside the room, "creating the political space needed for change".
Strautmanis bristled visibly. He criticized the "professional left" (he didn't use this exact phrase, but it's what he meant) for approaching the Obama Administration with an "outdated mindset", holding protest signs outside the fence instead of realizing what it means to be "inside the fence". At the same time, he not-so-subtly warned that those who criticized the Administration, instead of cooperating, would find themselves back on the outside.
Throughout early 2009, stories suggest Strautmanis' threat wasn't hollow. The White House convened a weekly meeting called "Common Purpose" at which DC progressive organizations were invited for what many have called a "very one-way" conversation where the White House dictated its agenda and appealed to the professional left for back-up. In April, 2009, according to people who were at one Common Purpose meeting, White House advisors told the "professional left" to tone down rhetoric about huge bonuses paid to AIG executives. The left, in general, toned it down.
In August 2009, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel made a rare appearance at a Common Purpose meeting to scold progressive groups in Washington for attacking conservative Democrats in Congress who were obstructing progressive policies on Capitol Hill. Emmanuel called the strategy "f*ing retarded" and ordered the professional left to cease and desist. Much of the left did, in fact, stop the attacks on Blue Dog Democrats.
The under-reported scandal here is not that the White House tried to control and muzzle the professional left. The scandal is that the left, for the most part, complied.
Firedog Lake blogger Jane Hamsher has been almost singularly brave in covering this. Back in April 2009, Hamsher wrote:
"There's a big problem right now with the traditional liberal interest groups sitting on the sidelines around major issues because they don't want to buck the White House for fear of getting cut out of the dialogue, or having their funding slashed."
I don't share White House Spokesperson Robert Gibbs' outrage that the "professional left" is currently being too critical of President Obama. What I am outraged about is that the professional left wasn't more critical of Obama a year ago.
As I have written before, President Obama's election was historic. Unfortunately, while progressives arguably laid the ideological groundwork for his victory, Obama pretty much won with his own charisma and field infrastructure. The left, with the possible exception of MoveOn and SEIU, could take little concrete credit for Obama's election. This, combined with an overarching and persistent lack of ambition and bravery that plagues the American left today, rendered Washington's non-profit liberal elite more than grateful to be lap dogs on a short leash held by the White House.
Throughout the fall of 2009, while progressives outside Washington feared the chances for single-payer health care and humane immigration reform were slipping away, professional progressive advocates in Washington hung all their hopes on the White House. I was in several meetings through the early fall of 2009 in which DC liberal leaders tamped down on any plans that might "upset the White House", a phrase used on at least on two occasions. It was not whispered with embarrassment or secrecy. The professional left firmly believed that President Obama would carry our agenda.
This belief started to fade as the fight for the public option was not only lost but when it became clear that the President and his team had sold the public option out early on in a bid to please the pharmaceutical and health insurance industries. Right around then, in early 2010, you could literally watch the professional left abandon its doe-eyed rhetoric and find its teeth - and moral compass - again. Then came disappointment around immigration and climate change, which the White House initially pledged to take the lead on but then backed away from, and the left's collective crush on Obama cracked faster than his approval ratings. Whether on the topic of off-shore drilling or deportation rates and border crackdowns, progressive advocates have been much less shy lately in telling Obama what-for.
Yet all evidence suggest that, from early on, President Obama failed to definitively side with ordinary Americans in the struggle against the tyrannical interests of big business and Wall Street. John Judis writes in his excellent analysis in The New Republic:
"Obama's policy followed the same swerving course as his rhetoric. One week, he would favor harsh restrictions on bank and insurance-company bonuses, but, the next week, he would waver; one week, he would support legislation allowing bankruptcy judges to reduce the amount that homeowners threatened with foreclosure owed the banks; the next week, he would fail to protest when bank lobbyists pressured the Senate to kill these provisions. But, more importantly, Obama-in sharp contrast to Roosevelt in his first months-failed to push Congress to immediately enact new financial regulations or even to set up a commission to investigate fraud."
Perhaps if the "professional left" had been doing its job and holding the President accountable early on - not in the spirit of destroying his presidency but, rather, strengthening it - there would not have been such a vacuum of public frustration into which Right wing critics could easily step. The White House was naïve to not distinguish between constructive criticism and destructive criticism at a time when listening to the former might have helped avoid much of the calamity in which the Presidency now finds itself. Instead, by trying to be superficial friends with both sides, Obama and his team have ostensibly made enemies on all sides of the aisle. Except with big business and Wall Street. They're still good friends with them.
The irony in all of this is that the left is now blaming the Obama Administration for public discontent with liberal policies and solutions. A year ago, the professional left ceded all responsibility to the White House. And now they're ceding all the blame. And that's where Mr. Gibbs' characterization is really wrong: There's nothing professional about that!



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Show AllUsual lame essay by an Obamabot. Why not David Green's essay instead, where he has the gumption to say "Hey, Robert Gibbs: Screw you, and the president you rode in on." http://www.counterpunch.org/green08162010.html
As was foretold by those with eyes to see, Obama is a self-professed Reagan-Democrat, otherwise known as a Regressive Republican, which is why he was heavilly sponsored by all the interests he's catered to so far.
One term that most of the players have incorrect is "professional left." This should be "professional liberals." If Left/Right is to have any meaning, then Liberal is now at the Center.
Any group wishing to be "inside the room/gate" to work "with" the Democrats has lost all touch with reality - unless they are Ins. moguls, Oil Mafia, Defense contractors etc.
Anyone who considers him/herself a liberal/progressive/leftist (attach name here) who thinks they will get anywhere working with Obama(nation) is terminally isoelectric.
As other posters have noted... there should have been a heading disclaimer stating:
"For Obamabots Only"
We understand and agree with you about Obama's flaws but how do you intend to replace him? You can't just wait until 2012 for a third partier to run. What third party is currently organizing to prepare for 2012?
That reminds me of when Montana Senator Max Baucus (with Obama's full approval) refused to allow supporters of Single Payer/Medicare For All an opportunity to even get it on the discussion table. Old Max then had these advocates for healthcare justice ejected from the Senate building and arrested! Yeah, the Obama Administration has been real kind to the REAL Left! PLEEEZE!
The Left has never been respected by the Obama Administration and we don't need his approval or the approval of the DP hacks who not only lack insight and guts, they also lack the principles to ever do anything that is even vaguely progressive!
Jill you are profoundly mistaken.
Jill - "Lefties went all out to get Obama elected "
This is total bullshit and you know it. NO ONE even remotely associated with real Left politics was taken in by Black Bush's "Hope n Change" KoolAide jingle.
One only had to look at the early selection of advisors for his campaign to know for certain he was going to be a corporate shill for MIC/Wall Street/Oil/AIPAC.
When Biden was selected as running mate it was one move left to checkmate (similar to forcing LBJ on Kennedy... just in case) - and that final move came with Rahm Emmanuel. Liberal/Left/Progressive, MY ASS !!!
I stand with Jill. We and others outed Obama well before the election and have shown him to be the Public Enemy #1 he truely is.
Jill -
Comments appreciated.
I am sure you are a nice, well-intentioned individual and I was not "calling you out" so much as calling attention to a mindset in this country, which is like an undiscerning sponge for soaking up propaganda, lies and bullshit.
I have no intention of attacking you personally - you are somewhat misguided and seem to not be able to see what is placed directly under your nose - because (your words) the "cult brand" power of the KoolAide jingle was just to intoxicating. When in fact all the parameters were there for serious investigation (advisors).
Most, like yourself, chose to ignore them and opt for a fantasy world of butterflies and rainbows.
Well... ask yourself - where are we now?
I am not calling you a liar - I am just saying that your hypothesis that real "lefties" worked to get Obama elected is a fiction - only the KoolAide drinkers did. (You had a LOT of company).
Please see Philiphoko's comment in this thread.
Peace and solidarity sister...
We who voted for Obama were not "misguided." He was the first BLACK president. The first. Doesn't that mean something to you? It meant something to the 95 percent of blacks that voted for him. Now they can tell their kids, "If you work hard, study hard, you can be President of the United States." They couldn't say anything like that before. Something good did happen when the man was elected. And it wasn't "liberal guilt" that caused us to vote for the man--it was the feeling that, for once, someone not white, not brought up the usual way, might win something. What was the only other possible outcome of the election--McCain and Palin? Give me a break...vote Green?--what real effect would that have had on anything?
Damned if I will apologize for voting for Obama. Am disappointed he turned out the way he did, but it could have been different. What if it was? You all would have voted Green and maybe the President would have done some of the things you wanted. It wouldn't have been enough, would it? Whatever he did, it would not have been enough. That is the joyous ease most of the left puts itself in--never having to say you're sorry--because you never get political power. I won't vote for the man again, but I will not apologize for having voted for him.
Jill,
The sad thing is, the left in America is elitist. Where are the Hispanics, the poor blacks, the workers, the farmers? They aren't voting for the left, that is for sure. It's just aging hippies, a few intellectuals, and a leavening of tree huggers. The Tea Party probably has more blue-collar types than the Socialists do.
Politics has more to do with demographics than anything else. People vote for those they identify with--that is why blacks voted for Obama. I do not know how to get all those oppressed by this evil capitalist system to come together and change things. Everything cuts Americans into shards: religion, race, the urban-rural divide, social class, immigration status. The capitalist oppressors could not divide a country like Greece so easily, but here it is simple since we are so diverse.
Did we who voted for Obama make a mistake? I can't accept that. Realistically, the Greens did not have a chance because they do not appeal to social and racial populations that could support the Green candidate (who was it, anyway?). McCain would have won if Obama lost--and that would have meant a marginally worse situation than we have now.
I have had it, though. Now I will vote according to what I believe in and not to make minorities feel empowered. Am too old to wait for the Democrats to stand up for the moral thing to do.
FYI - Cynthia McKinney, an African-American female was the Green Party candidate for President of the United States in the '08 election.)
Condi Rice was the first black female secretary of state. Big deal, she's still an accessory to mass murder as is our first black prez, war criminal Obama.
And it wasn't "liberal guilt" that caused us to vote for the man--it was the feeling that, for once, someone not white, not brought up the usual way, might win something.
You don't have to apologize for voting for Obama. A lot of us did. Since you don't intend to vote for him again, then you learned from your mistake. Bravo! But Obama did win and he's as "white" as they get.
Admitting in this forum that you voted for Obama is as risky as admitting you drive a Lincoln Navigator, love McDonald's, and do not compost. None of these things are sins I currently practice. Perhaps there is a nugget of gold buried in all this dross.
In the final analysis, Obama will have taught a generation of young people (millions of whom worked like crazy to get him elected) the Audacity of Betrayal .... which one could see coming with his choices of Summers/Geithner to head econ advisement/Treasury. O is a handsome, eloquent, articulate, self-promoting weak man totally committed to "The System", but America was absolutely charmed by all that charisma.
Sorry, "Change" isn't coming. We had a chance with Dennis Kucinich, but the media "disappeared" him. And .... oh gee .... he's not telegenic (Just imagine what chance gangling, unattractive Abe Lincoln would have now with his squeaky voice).
Why do we let these morons frame the issues. What the hell is a "professional left?" Another target, set up to get shot down. Another box to enclose critics then beat it with a sledge. Their goal is to prevent genuine reform by dividing and marginalizing reformers. Dems and Republicans work tirelessly to achieve this end. American exceptionalism upheld by media giants and old testament cultists is threatened by a united left and must keep it polarized and off balance.
FINALLY!!!
Thank You Philiphoko
Is reality REALLY that difficult?
You posters didn't realize that you were professionals, did you? You thought you were being responsible citizens and doing it for free.
Perhaps if the Left would unite and come to agree that supporting a party controlled by the Corporate bosses isn't in our best interests... Perhaps if the Left could unite and a come to an agreement that the capitalist system ( now in so much chaos) is not in the best interests of our environment, peace,prosperity for all, our children, or the working class in general... Perhaps if the Left would grow some badly needed organs and learn to quit their sniveling at every attempt by the Right to redbait us...
I'm not dreaming. I am advocating for some real change, change that WE THE PEOPLE must make!STOP HATING OBAMA, HE'S NOT THE PROBLEM! IT'S THE CAPITALIST SYSTEM, PEOPLE!
Well we should not hate anyone, but we should relentlessly criticize OilBomber because he is the Chief implementor of the system that needs to be drastically altered.
He is the living embodiment of all that is negative in USA politics and policies, just as much as Bush/Cheny were during their reign.
"The left, with the possible exception of MoveOn and SEIU..."
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The above sentence does not compute. MoveOn and SEIU are not "the left" unless one stretches the definition to absurdity.
As a now-retired SEIU member, I equate SEIU with the bogus "new way" devised by opportunistic powermonger Andy Stern. Stern declared the traditional adversarial stance vis-à-vis management and bottom-up organization of labor unions obsolete.
Instead, Stern became a proponent of professionalized class of union leadership which functions as "partners" to management-- essentially lobbyists or brokers to promote the union's agenda. The agenda is a top-down creation of the union executives "inside the fence".
In this view, the rank-and-file are reduced to a trusting revenue source deferentially supporting the elite leadership in return for "services" provided by the union organization.
This seems to neatly parallel the New! Improved! "inside the fence" perspective lauded by Strautmanis and Jarrett.
MoveOn isn't even worth discussing.
The insiders' scorn for the "outdated mindset" towards traditional methods of citizen protest has been frequently expressed by the corrupt Elected Misrepresentative Barney Frank. So I'll append most of a relevant comment written earlier this year:
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... Now a powerful Legislative-Collective hive-mind businessman, [Frank is a] a soulless clone of the fictional Ebenezer Scrooge before his Christmas redemption. Frank has morphed into an elite "insider's insider", for whom doing deals is an end in and of itself. His famously barbed and scathing tongue is as likely to be directed at principled activists as his political opponents du jour, and his acerbic recommendation to his former consituency is that they grow up and volunteer to be assimilated.
"The only thing those GLBT activists are going to 'pressure' is the grass!" he characteristically quipped in response to news of a planned gay rights demonstration in DC. What a knee-slapper! What a guy! Ol' Barn sure knows how to play the Fool Killer! Woo-HOO!
Later, confronted with the comment, Frank tartly explained in his peremptory, imperious manner that first of all, the legislation was well in hand (tucked into the abominable Defense Appropriations Act), so there wasn't even any windmill to tilt against! (I paraphrase, in the spirit of Frank's own game.)
And even if there WAS something to protest ABOUT, milling around on the Mall wasn't accomplishing a damned thing. The ONLY way to make political change is to Work Within the System-- find or create sympathetic candidates and join their campaigns, etc.
Certainly, they should stop wasting his and their time by clumsily screeching for utopian achievements that are utterly Unrealistic.
Frank probably really believes that he was just givin' his peeps a little Tough Love. Given the Borg-like Establishment Collective, or Combine, social activism is irrelevant. It Doesn't Work because Things Don't Work That Way Any More. Why can't these grassroots clowns SEE that?
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So here we are.
Sorry but the term "professional Left" confuses me. Who are these people? Who attended the Common Purpose meetings and failed in writer Kohn's eyes to put pressure on Obama? Kohn doesn't say. Who is Robert Gibbs so pissed off at? Rachel Maddow? Keith Olbermann? That's two people! Is he pissed off at two people? Does he think they can harm Obama politically?
Who are all these people talking about and why does anybody think they are complaining too loud or not complaining enough? WTF is this "conversation" about? Are we lost indefinitely in rhetorical hall of mirrors? A dank cloud of baseless assumptions and "insider" shorthand?
Name names and kick ass. Otherwise GTF out of the game.
PS - if there was a real "leftist" in the room when Rahm Emmanuel called the strategy "fucking retarded", he would put that little shitweasel in his place. so who is this "left" everybody keeps blathering about?
First of all, there is no "left," professional or otherwise. Do not confuse liberals or progressives with a true "left." Liberals and progressives are issue-oriented, and there is not always consistency on their stand on issues. Example: Al Franken and Alan Grayson might be considered progressives by many, and on domestic issues they generally are. But how about foreign policy, especially Israel and its role in messing up the Middle East, threatening war with Iran, bombing civilians in Lebanon and Gaza, and refusing to peacefully negotiate a Palestinian state? Franken and Grayson stand solidly with Israel--so much for progressive liberals.
A true "left" would have a class perspective, not an issue perspective. With a class perspective, there would be much more consistency in taking sides on an issue: colonialism is colonialism, whether it's done by England, France, or Israel. And it's not progressive.
Obama and this rancid Congress could never get away with their economic and war policies if Americans had a class--i.e., "left" perspective. America is not one big happy family currently going through hard times together; these wars are not for our safety and security; and the banks, pharmaceutical companies and insurance industry do not have our interests at heart--and neither does the government. When I hear millions of people speaking like that--then I'll believe there's a "left" in this country.
donna - BRAVO!!! Wonderfully stated
Do you read wsws.org ? For me personally it's about the only true left perspective on the net and they tend to deal mainly with verifiable facts.
Again - thanks for some clarity on this thread.
Well put, donna. I made a similar point on CD in a comment on the recent article by Robert Kuttner. We must continue to emphasize the class character of the struggle rather than buying into the liberal issue centric perspective.
The biggest enemy in this struggle is not the Republican Party, but the Democratic Party. When progressives finally get it that change will not come from voting for the "right" DP candidate, and abandon any attempt at voting with a lesser evilism strategy, will the true left have a chance in the USA. We must forge a political movement which is class based and independent of the Democratic Party as well as liberal apologist groups like PDA, MoveOn and so on. Time to move on from the MoveOn mentality.
Pat Murphy
As longtime members of the "professional left" my wife and I were wildly excited by Obama's progressive charisma and felt he could be one of the truly great American presidents. But we have been bitterly disappointed at his compromises and his abandonment of some of the very moral promises he made. I will vote for him, and I support what I see as progressive candidates here in Florida. But I will not work for Obama again, nor will I support the Democratic Party. In some ways I do regret I didn't work for Kucinich in 2008: he wouldn't have won, but I would have felt cleaner. And I resent the arrogance of the Obama team in assuming we are in their debt. If they can't fight for progressive policies and programs, they are on their own as far as I'm concerned.
After all his lies and corporate givaways, you seem confused: "I will vote for him.... If they can't fight for progressive policies and programs, they are on their own as far as I'm concerned."
As I just told Jill, we need a third party out there who can market and attract support. Just saying "I'm not Democratic or Republican" isn't going to work.
Sure, a green party is just what the right wing needs to divide the left and ensure continued right wing corporate victories.
Believing in the Greens or other left wing third party, is just like believing that peter pan and the tooth fairy will save the world.
Maybe we'll get lucky and some far right wingnut will fund his or her own run and split the right. Otherwise pure hearted lefties will keep hoping to show up and put down the less pure lefties. Even if lefties stop slandering each other we are still stuck with the process that selects a right leaning corporate owned democratic candidate so that there is no real hope of change.
Lefties have no coherence, no significant money, little respect for one another, see examples of hostility dumping above. Discouraging.
If no one who agrees with the greens votes for them, they will never win. They will never get the public funding in future elections; and the party will never gather momentum. The party will peter out even though they represent the interests of 90% of the country. They don't split the left when the other FauxLeft alternative is a corporate right-winger.
If the people who agree with the greens vote for the lesser of two evils corporate candidate, they will always get an evil government. Instead of wasting your vote on someone who will definitely screw you over, why not "waste it" on someone who could represent you if elected?
In addition, there are far too few true left candidates at the state and local level. Why not run yourself? The pay isn't bad either if you're not working now.
You can hate the Green Party but they have great ideas worth listening to while the Democratic Party has become more GOP rightwing. The Left could be more friendly and united but you aren't doing any better at trying by demonizing the Green Party like that. You can't expect the Left to stick together when one of the major parties, the Democratic Party in this case, pretends to represent the Left but forces it to give up their platform and give in to the Right. Ever since all third parties were off the ballot in the presidential elections, the Sooner has gotten redder. The Green Party could keep the Democratic Party in check.
I'm all for the green party making its points, running candidates for local and congressional offices, I just say that in the presidential race, it has no chance yet. Obama need every vote to keep Palin out of office, suppose there had been a lot of green votes and we had McCain/Palin instead?
The demonization of greens is in your imagination.
"I just say that in the presidential race, it has no chance yet."
The Green Party may not have a chance to win a presidential election but that gives nobody or party the right to push the Green Party off the ballot or into not running. If we're gonna keep them off the ballot in many states, then why not remove Democrats from ballots in states they haven't won in 34-46 years and remove Republicans from states they haven't won since 1984 to play it fair?
"Obama need every vote to keep Palin out of office, suppose there had been a lot of green votes and we had McCain/Palin instead?"
Obama's abysmal performance only serves to invalidate the spoiler theory nonsense. Most of the voters who pick Green would not vote anyway after what the Democrats did to turn them away.
"The demonization of greens is in your imagination."
No it is not. Here is what you said to demonize the Green Party.
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Elmwood August 16th, 2010 11:11 pm
Sure, a green party is just what the right wing needs to divide the left and ensure continued right wing corporate victories.
Believing in the Greens or other left wing third party, is just like believing that peter pan and the tooth fairy will save the world.
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We understand your anger and might agree to it but most of us who voted Obama last time are unlikely to change our vote. There will be a loss of votes. Some will go Republican and many will just not vote but unless you have a third party such as the Green Party prepared to attract millions of voters ala Perot in 1992, forget it. We're stuck between continuing Obama and picking another disastrous Republican. A few states don't even get to vote third party or a write in. I live in one of them.
Pike your short sighted, a third Party may take decades to gain significant power, but the people will never ever have power under this Duopoly unless a very very clever person does a reverse OilBomber, i.e. fool the Powers that be to get elected and then shaft them in favor of the citizens.
Does one turn over one spadeful of dirt today and then expect a lush garden tomorrow?
Third Party is a long process not a one year affair.
glennford - " people will never ever have power under this Duopoly unless a very very clever person does a reverse OilBomber, i.e. fool the Powers that be to get elected and then shaft them in favor of the citizens."
Glenn - a "Reverse OilBomber®" was tried once(before it was a registered trademark, synonomous with suicide)... by a guy named John F. Kennedy.
It didn't seem to work out too well and didn't catch on, and was never tried again.
May have something to do with exploding brains or such...
Where did I say that third parties get elected overnight? I already know that it takes time to get them to power but your way, they'll never make it. Just stating the obvious.
Jill -
regarding your plea for reason directed to Pike.
You are talking to a simulacra... a fabricated wall of stupidity and poisonous ignorance.
Pike is a troll who posts under multiple screen names and often uses more than one in a given thread. He thinks himself clever, but like most trolls he is just a mental dwarf living under a bridge.
He is fond of playing the Fool/Devils advocate just to derail serious comment, whereby serious clearminded people like yourself waiste time and key strokes trying to "educate" this moron.
He's likely employed as a contract position at minimun wage by some "Spook Contractor" just to visit websites like this only to fuck up the tone of the conversation.
Boooohhh Troll!
Where do you get such misinformation from? Seriously, your confirmation bias is showing. I doubt Jill would be that dumb enough to believe your lies. You know nothing about me personally and I will reported your comment to the moderator for slander and personal attacks.
Jill, I understand your anger and I have no arguments against what you said. I'm trying to ask for what exit strategy from the two parties we have working. There are a few states where voters are not given the option of a write-in or third party choice on presidential elections. Couple that with the status that despite public support diminishing on both Democrats and Republicans in Congress, there are very few independents getting anywhere in their campaigns. I want to see independents who side with us to win so that they can make some breakthroughs. I can vote third party and my vote won't make a difference and that is what is blocking us from thinking about it. If you don't win, you don't govern. A high paid lobbyist can always influence any politician but that's not exactly the same as governing. Don't get me wrong. I am not here to discourage third parties but I'm trying to figure out how we can challenge our collected anger on this forum towards progress in the real world. I believe that Obama is doing all the wrong things because he is under the fallacy that people still lean right and that he must placate them while trying to move a little to the left. That's obviously failing and none of us are happy. We need viable replacements to market and build public support on but the biggest mistake is assuming that everyone will just see how bad the Republicans and Democrats are and automatically vote third party. I don't recall such a thing happening in any previous election and I don't see any signs that change is in the air. I hope you understand. Thanks.
While I won't write off third parties, I am unsure as to whether or not to take them seriously. I have had some discussions with doubledee, Aquifier, TwoAmericas, and others about what third parties need to do to organize. Criticism of the Republicans and Democrats is great but not enough. It's great to vote for who you really believe in but what good is it if it's just a dream?
The OK legislature was able to get away with limiting the choices and I agree that it is a violation of free speech. Trying to do something different can be an uphill battle at times but I'll try not to do the same thing every time.
"It's great to vote for who you really believe in but what good is it if it's just a dream?" -- Ever heard of the sacred American Dream? Sticking forever with either wing of the duopoly is getting and will get us nowhere. If Nowhere seems a good destination, then by all means keep voting for Democrats. If people like yourself who clearly understand what a hellhole these two parties have dug for all of us to dwell in can't discern that we MUST break the enslaving chain these mirror-image parties represent, by daring the unspeakable--to vote for third parties without immediate expectations of WINNING--then we are damned and doomed to their servitude forever. Shit or get off the pot.
"Ever heard of the sacred American Dream?"
Not everyone lived the American dream and many of them became wingnuts over time because of that. That American Dream thingy is gone except for the upper class.
"Sticking forever with either wing of the duopoly is getting and will get us nowhere. If Nowhere seems a good destination, then by all means keep voting for Democrats."
I never said that I intend to stick to the Democrats forever but I'm trying to explain why some people like ejmurphy still feel that way and ask that we find ways to change such minds. It's already assumed that like before, most of the voters who chose Obama will get disappointed or angry but still vote for him and mistake third parties as spoilers. What can we do to change their minds this year, 2012, and beyond?
"If people like yourself who clearly understand what a hellhole these two parties have dug for all of us to dwell in can't discern that we MUST break the enslaving chain these mirror-image parties represent, by daring the unspeakable--to vote for third parties without immediate expectations of WINNING--then we are damned and doomed to their servitude forever."
Ok I see what you mean. I don't expect them to win but if you look at every presidential election since 1992, third parties have fared lower election after election. If we are gonna tell people to vote third party without marketing their platforms or expecting them to win, then we must remind others that we need to push to change their local and state laws on elections responsible for lack of third party access just like I'm doing in OK. If Nader had stayed and helped the Green Party out with the support he won in 2000, don't you agree that he would have been able to improve upon his support in 2004 and 2008? Nader could have gotten 15% of the popular vote by 2008 instead of half of a percentage. I hope you understand what I'm getting at. Let me know. Thanks.
Jill - solidarity sister!
My comments on your original post were to a vagueness in understanding just WHERE you were coming from - too much "lefties" vs "left" ??? still don't know what that means.
BUT... from this post I can see exactly where you stand and I commend you wholeheartedly for the clearsighted vision of seeing Obama and the poisonous caustic sewer aka the Democratic Party for what they truly are.
Your comments to Murphy are quite appropriate - if he intends to cut his throat he should not whine about his choice of tools.
"...if he intends to cut his throat he should not whine about his choice of tools."
Is this how you build support for a third party? Murphy said he wouldn't help Obama aside from just voting for him reluctantly which most of us who voted for Obama are at by now. Learn to read a message before disrespecting the messenger personally.
Let me be very plain. You can't move forward by moving backwards. Black is not really white. War is not really peace. Don't you get it?
Obama is fighting two wars of aggression, giving all of our money to wall street, without any conditions really; he's sending murder squads all around the world (no exaggeration), his drone attacks have killed at least 1,000 civilians now. Iraq has been flayed and spread out like a feast for the oil companies. In an interview last week, the ambassador bragged about the embassy, visible from space! And all those lovely oil contracts.
You, by supporting this Fascist, and insisting you will support him even after he's betrayed you, have become .. what? A good German? You decide.
So Obama is bad. He gets that. But which third party will step in for replacement?
I felt my vote for Obama was an indication of support. I didn't want the other side. My support is gone now -- no votes, nothing. I'll be looking as carefully as I can at candidates on the local level, as I will not vote Dem or Repub. By any other name a vote is support.
"And I resent the arrogance of the Obama team in assuming we are in their debt."
Yep, but they're pretty sure you'll vote for them again because who else is there but the boogyman Repubs? Frankly, the only way to slap those smug expressions off their faces is an upset at the voting booth. Third party votes. If the Repubs get in so be it. We're headed down the abyss either way. I can't figure out how we're going to last two more years with Obama.
The New York Review of Books - December 3, 2009, 2 excerpts
==I did not think he would lose me so soon-sooner than Bill Clinton did. Like many people, I was deeply invested in the success of our first African-American president. I had written op-ed pieces and article to support him in The New York Times and The New York Review of Books. My wife and I had maxed out in donations for him. Our children had been ardent for his cause.
Others I respect have given up on him before now. I can see why. His backtracking on the treatment of torture (and photographs of torture), his hesitations to give up on rendition, on detentions, on military commissions, and on signing statements, are disheartening continuation of George W. Bush's heritage. But I kept hoping that he was using these concessions to buy leeway for his most important position, for the ground on which his presidential bid was predicated.
==We have been in Afghanistan for eight years, earning hatred as occupiers, and after this record for longevity in American wars we will be there for still more years earning even more hatred. It gives us not another Iraq but another Vietnam, with wobbly rulers and an alien culture.
Although Obama says he plans to begin withdrawal from Afghanistan in July 2011, he will meanwhile be sending there not only soldiers but the contract employees that cling about us now like camp followers, corrupt adjuncts in perpetuity. Obama did not mention these plagues that now equal the number of military personnel we dispatch. We are sending off thousands of people to take and give bribes to drug dealers in Afghanistan.
If we had wanted Bush's wars, and contractors, and corruption, we could have voted for John McCain. At least we would have seen our foe facing us, not felt him at our back, as now we do. The Republicans are given a great boon by this new war. They can use its cost to say that domestic needs are too expensive to be met-health care, education, infrastructure. They can say that military recruitments from the poor make job creation unnecessary. They can call it Obama's war when it is really theirs. They can attack it and support it at the same time, with equal advantage.
I cannot vote for any Republican. But Obama will not get another penny from me, or another word of praise, after this betrayal. And in all this I know that my disappointment does not matter. What really matters are the lives of the young men and women he is sending off to senseless deaths.==
--Gary Wills
Wills is typical of an Imperial News Agency as he does not seem to give a thought to the Afghan WOMEN children and men his tax money supports murdering.
I would perfer Karzai rather than OilBomber because Karzai seems to care for his people more, such as throwing out Mercenaries whereas OilBomber embraces them and jokes about Murdering people with Drones.
I believe OilBomber is very coldblooded.
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I believe OilBomber is very coldblooded.
Oilbomber is the current equivalent of Robert McNamara. So you're correct; he is cold-blooded.