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If Michael Moore Would Run for President
If Michael Moore would run for President in 2012, it could be a
game-changer in American political life. For starters, it would likely
shorten the war in Afghanistan by at least six months, and the
American and Afghan lives that would be saved would alone justify the
effort.
If Moore announced his candidacy for the Democratic nomination now, and followed up that announcement with a vigorous campaign focused on the struggles of rank-and-file Democrats, it would re-mobilize rank-and-file Democratic activists. It's possible that he might even win; but win or lose, the campaign could arrest and reverse the current rightward, pro-corporate trajectory of our national politics, which is the predictable consequence of the failure of Team Obama to deliver on its promises from 2008, which in turn was the predictable consequence of the doomed effort to try to serve two masters: Wall Street and Main Street.
Like few people with his political views, Michael Moore needs no introduction to the Democratic primary electorate. To most rank-and-file Democrats, the name Michael Moore stands for a set of progressive populist ideas: health care for all, workers' rights, opposition to Wall Street's stranglehold on Washington, closing down the wars of empire and bringing our troops home.
In 1984 and 1988, the Jesse Jackson campaigns showed what could be accomplished running a populist, issue-based, movement campaign in the Democratic primaries and caucuses. In 1984, Jackson got more than 3 million votes, a fifth of the total, and won 5 primaries and caucuses. In 1988, he got almost 7 million votes and won seven primaries and four caucuses; at one point, following his victory in the Michigan caucus, he was ahead in delegates.
Of course, the progressive Jackson campaigns had a particular starting point: their base in the African-American community. But a Michael Moore campaign would also have a starting point: his status as an international progressive populist rock star. The moment that Michael Moore says, "I am a candidate for the Democratic nomination for President in 2012," it's a live proposition. And Moore would have tools for getting out his message -- videos and the internet -- that the Jackson campaign didn't have in 1988.
Like few American progressives of his prominence, Moore has the ability to connect with and mobilize working-class anger at Washington and Wall Street.
In the Jackson campaign, picket lines were campaign stops. That's the kind of campaigning that could be happening now. You get out the campaign message, but you also shine a spotlight on local struggles, nationalize them and magnify their power.
In Michael Moore's last movie, there was a long sequence about the struggle of the UE workers in Chicago. Those are the stories around the country that the Moore campaign for President would be telling to a national Democratic audience: Studs Terkel with a video camera and an RSS feed.
A Moore campaign for President announced today could be active in this Congressional election cycle: campaigning for progressive Democrats in the 2010 primaries, and thereby mobilizing the national progressive base in these contests, campaigning for progressive Democrats in the November election, building its national organization at the same time. A Moore campaign for President would compete for the endorsement of every organization of progressive Democrats, including Progressive Democrats of America, MoveOn, and Democracy for America. A Moore campaign would compete for the support of labor unions, which would put the Employee Free Choice Act and fair trade right back at the top of the national agenda. And a Moore campaign would work to build the base of the endorsing organizations.
If Obama's advisers knew for certain that they would face an effective progressive challenge in the 2012 primaries and caucuses, it's likely that they would start making different political choices immediately, because everything they fail to accomplish by spring 2012 would be on the table in the primaries and caucuses: health care for all, putting America back to work, ending the war in Afghanistan. Most analysts seem to think that there was a strong correlation between Obama's announcement of July 2011 as the beginning of U.S. troop withdrawals from Afghanistan and the 2012 election cycle; but an effective primary challenge would bring that calculation forward by six months. It's likely that if Obama's advisers knew they faced a spring 2012 deadline for showing that the war was ending, they would stop undermining Afghan efforts to start peace talks. A Moore campaign could save thousands of American and Afghan lives. In contesting Democratic primaries and caucuses against Michael Moore, Obama's advisers won't be able to prevail by deploying mere rhetoric, because now they're in power, and would have to answer for what they are actually doing.
In many ways, the stage is set perfectly. There will not be a crowded field; if career advancement is your goal, you generally don't run in a primary against a sitting President. When "the Democratic Party is in power" is the ideal time to mount a progressive Democratic challenge, because that's when the inability of Washington Democrats in thrall to Wall Street to deliver on progressive promises is thrown into sharp relief.
And for Michael Moore, I think it's a logical next step. He may be near the limit of what he can accomplish politically by only making movies. It's time to make a new documentary: the documentary of a campaign to rally rank-and-file Democrats to take back America from Wall Street, Wal-mart and the military industry.
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If Moore announced his candidacy for the Democratic nomination now, and followed up that announcement with a vigorous campaign focused on the struggles of rank-and-file Democrats, it would re-mobilize rank-and-file Democratic activists. It's possible that he might even win; but win or lose, the campaign could arrest and reverse the current rightward, pro-corporate trajectory of our national politics, which is the predictable consequence of the failure of Team Obama to deliver on its promises from 2008, which in turn was the predictable consequence of the doomed effort to try to serve two masters: Wall Street and Main Street.
Like few people with his political views, Michael Moore needs no introduction to the Democratic primary electorate. To most rank-and-file Democrats, the name Michael Moore stands for a set of progressive populist ideas: health care for all, workers' rights, opposition to Wall Street's stranglehold on Washington, closing down the wars of empire and bringing our troops home.
In 1984 and 1988, the Jesse Jackson campaigns showed what could be accomplished running a populist, issue-based, movement campaign in the Democratic primaries and caucuses. In 1984, Jackson got more than 3 million votes, a fifth of the total, and won 5 primaries and caucuses. In 1988, he got almost 7 million votes and won seven primaries and four caucuses; at one point, following his victory in the Michigan caucus, he was ahead in delegates.
Of course, the progressive Jackson campaigns had a particular starting point: their base in the African-American community. But a Michael Moore campaign would also have a starting point: his status as an international progressive populist rock star. The moment that Michael Moore says, "I am a candidate for the Democratic nomination for President in 2012," it's a live proposition. And Moore would have tools for getting out his message -- videos and the internet -- that the Jackson campaign didn't have in 1988.
Like few American progressives of his prominence, Moore has the ability to connect with and mobilize working-class anger at Washington and Wall Street.
In the Jackson campaign, picket lines were campaign stops. That's the kind of campaigning that could be happening now. You get out the campaign message, but you also shine a spotlight on local struggles, nationalize them and magnify their power.
In Michael Moore's last movie, there was a long sequence about the struggle of the UE workers in Chicago. Those are the stories around the country that the Moore campaign for President would be telling to a national Democratic audience: Studs Terkel with a video camera and an RSS feed.
A Moore campaign for President announced today could be active in this Congressional election cycle: campaigning for progressive Democrats in the 2010 primaries, and thereby mobilizing the national progressive base in these contests, campaigning for progressive Democrats in the November election, building its national organization at the same time. A Moore campaign for President would compete for the endorsement of every organization of progressive Democrats, including Progressive Democrats of America, MoveOn, and Democracy for America. A Moore campaign would compete for the support of labor unions, which would put the Employee Free Choice Act and fair trade right back at the top of the national agenda. And a Moore campaign would work to build the base of the endorsing organizations.
If Obama's advisers knew for certain that they would face an effective progressive challenge in the 2012 primaries and caucuses, it's likely that they would start making different political choices immediately, because everything they fail to accomplish by spring 2012 would be on the table in the primaries and caucuses: health care for all, putting America back to work, ending the war in Afghanistan. Most analysts seem to think that there was a strong correlation between Obama's announcement of July 2011 as the beginning of U.S. troop withdrawals from Afghanistan and the 2012 election cycle; but an effective primary challenge would bring that calculation forward by six months. It's likely that if Obama's advisers knew they faced a spring 2012 deadline for showing that the war was ending, they would stop undermining Afghan efforts to start peace talks. A Moore campaign could save thousands of American and Afghan lives. In contesting Democratic primaries and caucuses against Michael Moore, Obama's advisers won't be able to prevail by deploying mere rhetoric, because now they're in power, and would have to answer for what they are actually doing.
In many ways, the stage is set perfectly. There will not be a crowded field; if career advancement is your goal, you generally don't run in a primary against a sitting President. When "the Democratic Party is in power" is the ideal time to mount a progressive Democratic challenge, because that's when the inability of Washington Democrats in thrall to Wall Street to deliver on progressive promises is thrown into sharp relief.
And for Michael Moore, I think it's a logical next step. He may be near the limit of what he can accomplish politically by only making movies. It's time to make a new documentary: the documentary of a campaign to rally rank-and-file Democrats to take back America from Wall Street, Wal-mart and the military industry.
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Show AllMooreOn! : But ONLY if he Runs TO WIN!
Mooreout along with Moveout! I am sick of Democratic apologists and cowardly, phony corporate whores (no disrespect to whores).
Excellent idea!
(But when I follow the link to sign the guestbook, I don't see a place to sign. Not all of us are facebook literate, so please help us out!)
Sorry! I should have been more clear.
I set up a group on Facebook so people could share thoughts on the idea, expand it, and try to recruit others; that's what I meant by "guest book."
Here is the link; a bunch of folks have already chimed in:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=290698841228
But you HAVE to join Facebook -- ugh.
Gary
“We talk about it often, but I don't know if it's one of those pipe dreams or if it'll come to fruition,... Obviously that carrot is out there, but it really depends on the organization and what they do. I just know I would be better and he would be better if we were together, because we bring out the best in each other. That's the kind of relationship we have.”
-- Ryan Longwell
I'm in.
Sure, an entertainer for president. He'll get out of his capitalism bashing if he should run. He can't win as a socialist Democrat.
"Sure, an entertainer for president."
Well we already had one. His name was Ronald Reagan. Worked out okay for the opposition.
I voted for him twice. He was a tough president but got the economy going and got us out of the Carter inflation. Michael Moore can't win as a socialist because the public isn't ready for socialism.
The public isn't ready for socialism? Have you seen some of the recent polls...especially of "younger" people?
Young people are usually fickle minded.
Sioux Rose
AUSSI: Encino and his buddies (lest it's the same person using different screen names) has used the same LIES over and over. Many intelligent posters have sought to correct his faux "fact" filler, but he returns and recapitulates the same tired lines over and over. Since not everyone reads the same threads, or doesn't read CD daily, they may actually lend some credence to these pranksters here taking up space, playing "Columbo," or perhaps really being as dumb as they sound. No props required. My point being, it's a waste of energy to seek to educate them. If I had the time, I'd keep a file of things they say and then match the EXACT same verbiage of one user name to another. It's not coincidence at work. They are the human equivalent of Prozac demanding that we all calm down, give our wise leaders time, and compromise. Interesting prescription when the theater IS on fire.
My earlier reply on this thread negates what you assumed.
Sioux Rose
ENCINO: It negates nothing. It is another fraudulent statement from a pretender in the forum and his pack, or subset of alter-egos.
You're only making allegations that aren't true unless you can prove them true. Go ask the CD admin to look me up. I guarantee you 100% that they will confirm that I, EncinoM, do not use multiple screen names. There are no packs or subset of alter-egos on this forum related to me and you could also ask the CD admin to verify that for you. By all means, talk to them. Shawn may agree with me on some points but he and I aren't related in any way. I don't know this Kyle or Martian you called my pal.
Your problem is not tolerating differences of opinion. I have my opinions, you have your opinions, and so on but I'm just stating the obvious. You and Ephraim want purist progressive actions on a silver platter but it doesn't work that way in the US.
Ask the CD admins to verify..., now why didn't I think of that one? I have a clean record too and no multiple screen names on my end either and that will be confirmed should SR proceed to asking them. This is the best line of defense to use against those obsessed with screen names. Thanks man.
Reagan left us the biggest deficit in US history--that's a fact. Only Bush II's moronic policies created a larger deficit than Reagan's. He "got the economy going" by plunging us into a 6-year recession? Maybe you were fast asleep during the '80s. Your ideas about this country are the product of your deeply reactionary ideology, and nothing more. And whatever you decide the public "isn't ready for," like single-payer or anything else that fails to harmonize with your rightwing ideology, is so, simply because you say it is.
I hate it that Reagan left us massive deficits he could have avoided but the 90s wouldn't have been better without his policies to stimulate the economy. I was a police officer up to '85 and then entered the military but I had plenty of time to study and prepare myself. There were disappointments but Reagan got elected twice. Mondale was stupid to call for a tax raise while running for office. I never said I opposed single payer but people aren't ready for it because it looks like government monopoly to them. A public option to let government and businesses compete would tell us if we're ready for it. Don't subsidize the corporations who are competing with government and let the market decide. Lower the minumum age of medicare by 1 year every year and pass tort reform to cut down the costs for doctors by capping punitive lawsuit damages and voila. Single payer almost there. I like government entitlement cards too but we have to be practical. I don't see any rightwing in that. I used to be one but I like being a centrist for a change.
It would be a little hard to classify you as a centrist if you truly believe that Regan was a net good for this country. He was a nightmare. The damage he did to the progressive tax codes alone set the country back thirty or forty years. Iran contra, financial deregulation, ...oh forget it--I'd be here all night.
Most centrist Democrats and Republicans including President Obama honored Ronald Reagan.
Repugs honored him because they shared his fascist perspectives. Centrist Repugs and Dems said nice things about him after he died because he was very popular and they didn't want to alienate a big chunk of the electorate--even if that chunk happens to be developmentally disabled. Obama (similarly pimping himself out), said positive things about his ability to lead--not about his policies.
Well said.
I do not know if it is a written or unwritten "law", but Presidential bashing of previous Presidents is not allowed, under any circumstances, ever. Besides, it would immediately label the "basher" a terrorist-apologist, and the "bashee" a victim.
As a centrist you deliver predictable horseshit. Whatever you say the Ameican people are "ready for" is only what YOU are ready for. You never talk to leftists or progressives so you assume they don't actually exist. And all you care about politically is who wins, who can maybe win according to your metrics, and who you're convinced in your rightwing ivory tower can never win. You have no principles at all; you only go with winners, just like Shawn Berry. You two are brothers. What the fuck do you know "looks like monopoly" to anyone? It's just something you make up as you go along. And you defer to the sacrosanct market, which is nothing but a crapshoot anyway, as if it objectively "decides" anything. You hate tort law because conservative millionaire doctors might get sued for malpractice, and all you reactionaries know there is no malpractice--except about a thousand times every day. Being "practical" is being far right to you, which of course you translate as "centrist." Taxes bad, tort reform good, the market holy. You: boring and predictable.
I talk to plenty of leftists and progressives but most of them don't sound like you. You can't accept compromises, fine but that's the way it works in the real world. You can cry and swear for single payer and doctors who break the law in their vain attempts at 15 minutes of fame but you're just standing with the losers in the end. I'm sure it disappoints you that I side with winners. Here's an idea. Stop being an idealist and learn to be practical about it. Take it or leave it.
real world? for whom? your world is not mine my friend
Sioux Rose
ENCINO: Did you pull out the Shawn Berry/Martian Bachelor talking points, or just a copy of their previous posts? All this has been rehashed VERBATIM in other RECENT threads. Try learning some facts, instead of regurgitating the Rush Limbaugh-style "talking points." You even use the FRAMING of the right!
Sioux, I only write my own opinions. I have no idea who this Martian Bachelor you mentioned is. Shawn is familiar but I haven't seen any posts by Martian Bachelor. I may agree with Shawn that we have to be practical and realistic but I haven't copied anything from anyone. I don't agree with Shawn's idea of withdrawing from Afghanistan because I believe that the military can be used to save the Afghan people from the militants who just want power prior to withdrawal once stability is achieved.
I used to take Limbaugh to be an analyst until he went racist on Obama. I understand that you, Ephraim, others are angry with everything and would like to see a radically progressive revolution but we have to be practical and realistic. I see from the replies that everyone is mixing up Rush Limbaugh's talking points with practical and realistic talking points of view.
Let's go over one of the issues again. Rush Limbaugh has no interest in single payer health care and supports corporate monopolization of health care. I don't support that. Single payer I am open to but the minute I hear someone say all insurance companies out and only the government can provide coverage, then I don't feel comfortable with replacing one monopoly with another. I support a compromise of allowing the insurance companies to stay and allowing people the right to turn to government for health insurance. Rush Limbaugh would never support competition but I would.
One more thing. Who flagged your post ??
Sioux Rose
ENCINO: You would not pass a polygraph test, and in a sane, just nation, you would probably not be considered entirely sane. I notice your pal KYLE is back now, too. Interesting how your little party of embeds all manage to show up like some kind of comedy act, each reinforcing the other's points, when you're not playing good cop/bad cop. Like I care who flagged my post? I have only flagged one post in the entire 3 years I've personally posted. Controversy is good for a writer. Now, by all means, put your cognitive costume back on, and don't forget the red clown nose.
Who is this Kyle you are talking about? If that is someone you got into an argument with at another time, then talk to him about it. I don't know him. There is no good cop, bad cop that you are imagining. You do not know who is what screen name and neither do I except that I, EncinoM, am EncinoM and no one else. I only post independently and don't rely on teaming up with someone to make a point. Your problem with different opinions is paralyzing your ability to think. If you don't like dissent, then this site isn't for you. If I were a weakling, I would be asking why Ephraim and Chelsey are teaming with you but I don't care how many screen names you throw at me. I enjoy a debate and if you fall apart, then you'll just have to admit it. If you're still concerned about my nick, then talk to the CD admins and ask them to verify that EncinoM has no multiple accounts. I assume that they could help you on that.
From your own posts, it's clear that you wouldn't pass a simple sanity test or a lying test even in your own utopia. You are living in a world of idealistic delusions. I offered you great advice on getting on the air and putting your imaginations behind but you're still starstruck. You can keep acting deluded like Alex Jones and invent wacky conspiracy theories but you are jealous that you cannot prove your own allegations because you know that you would be caught lying.
If you talk to progressives or leftists you never listen to them, or else they aren't remotely progressive OR leftist. More likely, you don't know a thing about what progressives or leftists actually believe or think, because you don't have time to listen to "losers." Compromise to you means acceding to your rightwing claptrap. I don't cry and swear for single-payer or anyone who breaks the law in vain attempts for anything. That's your delusion and fantasy life, not mine. Stand with those Winners, asshole, and pretend you're interested in making a difference about anything. Here's an idea: learn something about how change has ever happened in this country, from movements you only have time to disparage, and realize how inanely narrow-minded you've always been. Or, just go back and stand tall with those winners, you mercenary clown. Maybe you can get in line for the next town or village to destroy for the sake of your IDEALS. It should pay well enough to keep you rubbing shoulders with all those winners you admire so much.
I think I might understand where your anger is coming from but I just explained to Sioux Rose the difference between right wing and being a centrist. I don't want to disparage any movements but we have to be practical and realistic. If you have taken physics before, you should have heard of the Second Law of Thermodynamics, idealistic state vs realistic. I have to ask the same thing I asked Sioux. Who flagged your post and why?
How would I know who flagged it?--probably you. What does it mean to be flagged, anyway? Someone doesn't like what I say, so they "flag" me? Unaccountably, as in any old authoritarian regime.
You cannot possibly expect anyone to take you seriously that you're a "centrist" when you just admitted to going along forever with Limbaugh as an "analyst" until he went ballistic as an admitted racist. Limbaugh has never had a "centrist" bone in his fat body or spewing from his hateful fat mouth. He's been a racist FOREVER and whether you are or not, you're absolutely on the extreme right. It's just that you have acclimated yourself so comfortably with those views that you consider each and every one of them "practical and realistic." I'm certain there were millions of Germans saying precisely the same thing about Hitler's policies in the late 1930s.
But you go on with your illusions about how silly it is to be angry over anything these days when it's oh so convenient and easy to remain "practical and realistic," which means going with the fascist flow right over the cliff into civilizational demise. Not that you think this is our trajectory, but we've seen how limited your perceptions are. Like Shawn and several other trolls always encouraging confusion and incoherence in here, if we all thought like you we'd have a very smooth fascist dictatorship overnight and proceed to destroy the world in a few weeks. That's where your practical and realistic counsel is taking us.
People are not subatomic particles. And nobody sitting in my chair has ever been lobbying for "idealism". That trivializes every discussion going on in this context, but that's your purpose so no surprise there. By blithely dismissing people for being starry-eyed idealists if they think single-payer is the only humane way to achieve real health care reform, or getting out of Afghanistan is infinitely more intelligent and moral than your Pentagon prescriptions straight from Democratic/Republican talking points, you eviscerate meaningful discussion. Again, that's your whole purpose here, whoever sent you. And you've already wasted way too much of my time. If the younger generations manage to turn this country around, it's not going to happen by listening to your "practical and realistic" advice. You have nothing to offer but utter night.
Thanks for telling this "centrist" as it is.
I hate to say it but you have an anger management problem. You think that America is a fascist nation just because it isn't radically left to your liking but it isn't. You have a habit of calling centrists rightwing but I met plenty who do the same. Until your radically progressive idealist has something to show for victory, you snooze you lose. You think that forcing everyone to be radically progressive overnight and flying a doctor into trouble in a vain attempt to pass a bill that won't pass anyway is progress, don't you? You, Siouxrose, and your idealist pals can type your idealist babble all day and night but you're living in a fool's paradise. By all means, ignore but don't complain when the Republicans win.
Ephraim,
Well said.
Chelsea
Do you realize that lawsuit and malpractice insurance costs constitute only about about two percent of cost of medical care in the US? Certainly we want to keep claims reasonable and discourage frivolous claims, but dont expect much savings from it.
Love the idea. Unfortunately it seems like a non-starter. Moore seems to be an Obama apologist. I don't know if that is because his agent is Rahm Emanuel's broher, but I doubt Moore would challenge Obama. Am I wrong?
Moore/McKinney?
Yeah, THAT'S the ticket.
Gary
“Michael Moore is free to denounce every manifestation of American foreign policy; is he not? And we are upholding his right to do so, as ridiculous and inane and asinine as his comments are.”
-- Orrin Hatch (who doth protest too much)
Moore would be very wary of challenging the first black president and I think his views which I share represent no more than 15 to 20 percent of the American population which is a hell of a lot more right wing than most progressives will ever admit.
Obama is Black? Gosh, I'd forgotten.
Weird how he became "black" ain't it?
He's as "white" as he is "black" but he's never called "The 44th White president" is he?
Its the old Plessy v Fergueson "one drop rule" all over again, but this time being use "for the good" of "black people".
The Gangster Elete would never permit it.
But will that many democrats vote for a Green candidate?
Which he most certainly would be - right Michael?
You're on to something, Boca. Robert Naiman has half of a good idea here. You have the other half.
Here's the scenario:
Michael starts to campaign today for the 2012 Demo nomination. Makes a lot of noise on all the progressive D web sites, appears on talk shows, gets his name in the press, maybe even makes a movie promoting himself, stirs up a great following of loyal fans, more than any D candidate since FDR.
The D convention opens. They give Michael candidate time at the podium. He mounts it, clears his throat, looks the camera in the eye and announces that he knows he has no chance of winning the nomination. The DLC, he says, is committed to Wall St, the corporados and all the other evil forces of empire, so he is withdrawing his bid, leaving the D party and joining the Greens.
A hush falls over the crowd. Men gasp. Frozen in disbelief they drop their cigars and donkey flags. Women scream, most faint, many smearing their makeup and knocking their hats off on their husband's sleeves as they drop.
Then a thunderous applause fills the stadium. Pandemonium follows, the noise is deafening. Michael leaves the podium and walks to the nearest exit. There is a near stampede as people rush to follow him to the parking lot, where the Green Party has registration booths set up at each row.
A new world's record is set for party registration in a single day. The D party is dead. Michael is elected. Good things follow.
Beautiful. I cried a little. If only.
Gary
“No matter how carefully you plan your goals, they will never be more than pipe dreams unless you pursue them with gusto.”
-- W. Clement Stone
Thanks Kane and gd, so kind of you to say.
"Show me a man without a dream, and I'll show you a man who's dead." - Sammy Davis Jr.
Awesome! I wish/hope Michael reads your comment.
Pigs fly.
Seriously, do you really think that there would be a mass exodus to the Greens just because of Moore? Half of progressives think of him as a joke already.
As well, I really get the feeling that he would be bad for politics. He's kind of a bully - a bully for the left, admittedly, but a bully nonetheless. He brooks no criticism (except when his wife told him he was too hard on Obama) and reportedly doesn't play well with others.
A Moore presidency would result in a gigantic effort by the Republicans to win the next midterms. It would be 1994 all over again.
They wouldn't even have to make an effort. Moore would be a nightmare. He's a bit like a liberal Rush. He's a cheap shot artist. I agree with most of his positions but am tempted to disagree after being subjected to his attempts at manipulation.