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Do They Take Us for Schmucks?
After healthcare--if you can imagine an "after healthcare"--the next Big Fight in Congress will likely be over financial reform, particularly the proposed creation of a Consumer Financial Protection Agency (CFPA). The CFPA would focus solely on protecting consumers' financial interests--a task currently shared (with disastrous results) by several agencies whose primary focus is on monitoring the safety and soundness of financial institutions.
No longer would financial institutions be able to choose their federal regulator--if they have one at all--shopping for the one that is most accommodating to their interests.
No longer would the regulators depend on the very firms they are supposedly monitoring as a major source of funding.
And no longer would consumer protection be an afterthought--understaffed, under-funded, and absolutely underwhelming.
In contrast, the CFPA would, for example, focus on enforcement of fair lending laws through its Office of Fair Lending and Equal Opportunity. It would expand oversight to include non-bank firms, such as those in the mortgage market that issued many exotic loans people couldn't afford. It would ensure that products are more readily understandable, rather than 30 pages of legalese along with very fine print. And it would promote financial literacy efforts.
The House Financial Services Committee hopes to approve the CFPA the week after next. On Wednesday, the committee held a hearing to discuss Chairman Barney Frank's draft proposal. The best case for a CFPA was made by those offering their reasons for opposing it.
Those arguments ranged from the bizarre: "If [this] had been in effect a number of years ago we probably wouldn't have ATM machines, frequent flyer miles, and the list goes on," said Texas Congressman Jeb Hensarling. Ranking Member Spencer Bachus of Alabama claimed that the CFPA would lead to "less consumer protection."
To the inane: "Could you clarify to me the extent of [SEIU's] financial and programmatic ties to ACORN?" Congressman Patrick McHenry of North Carolina demanded of witness Anna Burger, secretary-treasurer of the Service Employees International Union. David John, senior research fellow, at the Heritage Foundation, said, "When you establish a new agency of this type... you're going to find yourself with people who are supposedly regulating but in reality they're far more concerned about finding things like where their desk is, and who their new reporting relationship is, etc. etc."
Finally, there was the You Must Truly Take the American People for Schmucks approach: Edward Yingling, president and CEO of the American Bankers Association (ABA), stated, "No real case has been made for... requiring additional enforcement on banks and credit unions; [or] a large increase in consumer regulatory powers." Yingling then took his handy shovel and proceeded to keep digging: "I think that our industry made a big mistake...We looked at what does it mean for our regulatory burden on banks and...it's because we have such a heavy burden, that we get paranoid about it. Sometimes for good reason. One of the lessons for the future is we can't just look at what's going on in our narrow interest, we have to look at what's going on in the economy and in neighborhoods...You have our pledge we're going to work with you to help solve this."
Yingling's colleague, Bill Himpler, executive vice president of the American Financial Services Association, seemed equally oblivious to his industry's credibility issue as well recent history. "I can assure this committee that finance companies are already heavily regulated," he said. "Like banks, finance companies undergo regular and vigorous examination by state regulators."
At one point, Democratic Congressman Melvin Watt told the financial industry reps--in the kind of overly calm voice any kid would recognize as masking a parent's desire to strangle him--that he felt "an absolute sense of exasperation for the positions you all have taken on this, which really have been we're gonna oppose it, and oppose it, and oppose it....You would continue to make [consumer protection] a step-child in the whole regulatory structure....You all are saying that we ought to be catering to your industry still, and I think that's unacceptable."
For those looking for more sound arguments grounded on this planet, there were indeed some compelling witnesses who testified on the need for a CFPA.
Janis Bowdler, a deputy director at the National Council of La Raza, said, "Deficient oversight failed Latinos, other communities of color, and those of modest means...Despite clear evidence that minority borrowers were paying more for credit and being steered into subprime credit when they qualified for prime, the trends went unnoticed by federal regulators...[We need] a new agency dedicated to consumer protection, product innovation, and equal access to financial markets."
The CFPA "would support if not require regulators to become more protective of consumers," said Hilary Shelton, director of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. "And it would make civil rights protections more of a key element in the regulation and oversight of financial services...We need [an] agency whose primary function is to provide some protection to consumers."
Michael Calhoun, president and chief operating officer at the Center for Responsible Lending, asked simply, "Who does the Congress want to trust with carrying out this authority? For me, a telling statistic...if you look from 2002 to 2008, the [Office of the Comptroller] did not make a single--a single--referral to the Department of Justice for equal credit violations. Now do you want to trust the authority back to them? Or do you want to try a different approach?"
"Even those financial institutions that were regulated had regulators who were looking at them from the perspective of what was good for the institutions, not what was good for the consumers," Burger agreed. "It would be good to have an agency that actually looks at the interests of the consumer first, as opposed to last."
Opponents of reform do still have two evergreen scare tactics to use on the American people--that compliance costs will be passed onto the consumer, and that this reform will somehow lead to greater instability in the safety and soundness of banks. I spoke with Chairman Frank about these issues after the hearing.
"Nonsense," Frank said about raised costs. "In the first place, that's what they said about the credit card bill. That's what they've said about every consumer agency. The administration of this will not add any cost, this is going to be transferred cost...[from] an existing agency."
As for the impact on safety and soundness, Frank said, "That's just something they say because they want to kill the whole thing...They haven't shown me a consumer protection piece of legislation that hurt safety and soundness: truth in lending, credit card bill. As a matter of fact, I think the right kind of consumer protection enhances safety and soundness. Selling people mortgages they shouldn't have gotten was one of the worst taxes on the safety and soundness of banks we've ever seen."
As moving and persuasive as pledges from the American Bankers Association and the American Financial Services Association are, I think this time around I'd prefer a CFPA whose sole mission is to look out for consumer interests.
It really shouldn't take too long for the new staff to find their desks and get up and running.
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Show Alli'd love to work there. i was a banker for 6 yrs. and i
finally left the criminality- racism in loan rates and
fraud were astounding. drug use at the office often because
peoples consciences bugged them to the point that they were
continually medicating themselves just to get through the
day. it went on and on. i hope these people are well
trained and really put it to the banks. i met alot of people
who belong in prison in the banking business and sometimes
their names and the terms fraud indictment and prison
appear in a story. makes my day!
Why is everybody focussed on treating symptoms rather than the root of the problem?
While CFPA and CEO salaries are getting all of the attention, basic New Deal style regulation is being viewed as obsolete and irrelevant.
New Deal financial industry regulation such as Glass-Steagall kept the industry under control until financial industry decriminalization (euphemistically called deregulation) created a very slanted playing field.
There is no reason that Congress could not have re-instated the New Deal financial regulations within the first month of the Obama Regime taking power. The basic legislation could have been dusted off and enhanced with regulations for "financial products" that have emerged since the 1930s.
By preventing the schemes that result in obscene profits, the New Deal regulations did not need to regulate CEO salaries. Those salaries can only be justified by the obscene profits that result from the "financial products" that can only be marketed in a decriminalized environment.
Thanks for your comment, it contains much of what I was going to say. I was also going to plug in it would help unemployment numbers. Not one of my husband's class 2007 of 43 AAS-Accounting is employed in the accounting or bookkeeping field. "Who needs them when the numbers are all made up any way? Oh and because Enron and everything since then up to 2006 were used as cases of what not to do in their education, it would be a reasonable expectation that at least half of them would practice honesty. Can't have anyone willing to put principles above personal aggrandizement, now can we? The only offers any of them have received indirectly (temp agencies) were for payday loan places. As the top graduate said,"I'd rather work for the mob. The terms of their loans are clear and on the bottom rung of usury."
This agency would be a boon to honest businesses and employees. Probably why it won't pass.
Maybe you could just taske them some of your air?
Why wouldn't they?
There are enough schmucks who will allow the boss class to exploit.
Today's example: Irish vote for EU.
More rules that will be ignored or broken by Big Financial.
Next please?
P.S. Yes they do take us for smucks.
"Opponents of reform do still have two evergreen scare tactics to use on the American people--that compliance costs will be passed onto the consumer, and that this reform will somehow lead to greater instability in the safety and soundness of banks."
How much more "unstable" could banks become when they are closing their doors by the hundreds with hundreds more expected to close? Not to mention that their failures are costing taxpayers $Billions if not $Trillions after the FDIC covers depositor losses!
Who the hell do these people think they're bullsh!ting?
"Do they take us for schmucks?" Well, we complain, while they continue to do as they please.
Headline sez: "Do They Take Us for Schmucks?"
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A) The politicians do -- we elected them, didn't we?
B) As to the bankers, they take us for irrelevant. Consider the overwhelming opposition to the bailout - from left and right - which CONgress casually ignored.
C) Return to A. Repeat ad infinitum.
Leave it to The Nation to legitimize the elite agenda by "moving on" past the heathcare debacle to the next problem to be unsolved by the elites. Damn, it must be a profitable enterprise for The Nation to cyclically feed/play on the people's hopes. I suggest the people pin their hopes not on the elites any more but on their very selves, for a change and for good. Then we'll watch The Nation's response. Will it fold or will it adapt?
"Janis Bowdler, a deputy director at the National Council of La Raza, said, "Deficient oversight failed Latinos, other communities of color, and those of modest means...Despite clear evidence that minority borrowers were paying more for credit and being steered into subprime credit when they qualified for prime, the trends went unnoticed by federal regulators...[We need] a new agency dedicated to consumer protection, product innovation, and equal access to financial markets."
Hypocrites. This is exactly the same organization that was pushing for less regulation and oversight in making these loans at the time. They were partly responsible for what they are trying to blame on others now. Disgusting and dishonest.
They don't care whether we are schmucks or scholars or spiritually advanced just as long as we allow them to continue playing their game.
You can't preach the "Do unto others" doctrine to a vicious plunderer who is charging you with a scimitar.
Bring America Back !!!!
***Hay, we are NOT Schmucks, we ARE the Sheeple !!!!
>> "When you establish a new agency of this type... you're going to find yourself with people who are supposedly regulating but in reality they're far more concerned about finding things like where their desk is, and who their new reporting relationship is, etc. etc."
This is hilarous given the fact that every new Politician elected to office is assigned Staff members to show them where their desk is, who it is they report to and how various committees structures and processes work.
Using this logic why not just rid ourselves of Government entirely?
Indeed virtually every employee ever hired by a private firm goes through the same process.
This passes for intelligent debate?
How do such schmucks ever get elected? I guess if he reflects his constituency the question to the title of this piece has been answered.
"The arguments against a standing army are many and weighty and deserve to prevail, but the same arguments can with commensurately more force be used against having a standing government." ----
H.D. Thoreau
Criminals, Criminals, Criminals! Your nation is run by criminals! What are you going to do about it?
Call the Criminals?
Merka--land ruled by a cacistocracy.
Who knows what will happen. but it looks like a long long time before the dawn.
If a buncha schmucks go see POS Movie X, then POS Movie X2, X3, X4, etc will be produced.
Lotsa people will bitch: "That movie sucked - why did they make a sequel? Hollywood blows!" They made sequels because schmucks keep paying to see em. Period.
If a buncha schmucks allow banksters to conspire with 'our' leaders to rob us blind and we don't do shit about it, they will rob us blind again, and again, and again...
Lotsa people will bitch: "They stole all of our money! Why did they do that?! Wall Street sucks." They did that because recent history confirms their audience is nothing but a buncha schmucks too pacified to fight back, no matter how bad the pain gets...
"No longer would financial institutions be able to choose their federal regulator--if they have one at all--shopping for the one that is most accommodating to their interests."
What is this guy smoking?
What it means is they now only have to pick one "federal regulator... that is most accommodating to their interests."
Have people so quickly forgotten the SEC and EPA and Dept. of Interior under any Republican administration? Have people so quickly forgotten how little things change under Democratic administrations?
It will make absolutely no difference if this agency is created or not.
File this under "Another Debate Undertaken for the Purpose of Distracting from the Underlying Realities."
The financial industry should be nationalized, and the people take control over their financial system which they provide the funds out of their own hard earned money for these super rich parasites who "invest" our money. They take it and put in their vest. That's the real deal.
AD
Well stated! I suspect few Americans realize that the Federal Reserve is run by the private sector. Talk about sweet heart deals!
I don't know about you folks, but I don't want or need another government nanny telling me where to invest my money, or from whom to borrow. I learned long ago that balancing the checkbook, living below our means, and READING CONTRACTS were the three most important financial skills one could master. Everything else was secondary in importance. If the CFPA can teach Americans to do those three things, the financial independence and security of the people and the nation can be attained without a single additional regulation. As a side benefit, predatory lenders will soon find themselves out of business, or modifying their practices out of economic necessity.
For those folks who are uneducated about finances and susceptible to predators in the marketplace, I can recommend any number of educational sources, starting with the high school economics classes most people avoid or sleep through. Education is the cheapest solution, and the most effective.
I bet you think the SEC did a bang up job protecting the people from Bernie Madoff too.
Nope. The SEC was seduced by the same nonsense that took in many who signed 3/1 ARMs with no interest caps. Regulators are nominally in place to make sure that the suppliers don't defraud their customers. In short time, they devolve into protecting the existing suppliers from upstart competitors with better ideas. In order to regulate with any sense, the rule-makers and enforcers must establish relationships with those whom they regulate. As new players emerge, they do not have that standing relationship and stay outsiders begging for an entry they too often are denied.
My suggestion is that the new regulator spend more time and money educating the customer base than writing rules for the suppliers. To paraphrase a clothing store motto "An educated consumer is the regulators' greatest goal."
If we at CD successfully advocated for a society largely free of consumer debt, living within one's means, and never investing in something you don't understand, the CFPA and the criminal financial interests would quickly fade away.
Gee, didn't realize that balancing the ole' checkbook is all it takes... you sound like a cranky old weird uncle always giving some feeble old bromide - a penny saved is a penny earned, and such. Living below your means, indeed; how about living below the means of 50 cents an hour that American corporations deign to pay people in China?
Betcha you think your Money is Real. I was in Mexico when 20 pesos bought a dollar, and three months later, 2,000 Pesos bought a Dollar (and it went on to over 20,000 Pesos to the Dollar, at which time Mexico thoughtfully introduced the NEW Peso, and lopped off three zeros, especially since at that point in one-Peso coins a Dollar physically weighed over a Ton- so one simple sandwich could cost Seven Tons of coins. Of cource, people used paper bills instead.)
So, wouldn't you want a New $20 bill in exchange for every $30,000 you think you have saved now? Because you will have no control over that event, any more than if you think you are prudently and carefully preventing an earthquake, and so far no earthquake, so you really are preventing one. This is called Magical Thinking.
So you, Mr. Dimm, Do need help (as do we all). From GOOD government. However, that is NOT the kind the USA is getting lately. But again, that is the fault of the depraved individuals now IN government, not governance itself (especially the last 8 years.)
And more particularly, it is the fault of the NEO-CONS, the Reaganites, the "supply"-siders, the DirtyBlueDogs, the DLC Dims, the CorpoFascists, the Neo-Confederates, the Religious Kook Kommandos, the Corporate-Controlled MSM, and especially those that call themselves Republicans. They are there SPECIFICALLY to fuck-up good, socially decent, and moral government, and drain it as a cash cow. And they, like Grover Norquisling and his ilk, have explicitly stated this as their Real Purpose for being IN government. Though they publicly speak with Forked Tongue... you know, for better PR.
And regarding the 'predators' in the marketplace you cite, Mr. Dimm, did your own prudence prevent the current crisis? Obviously not. And will your prescribed prudence correct gvave consquences of the crisis? Absolutely not.
You remind me of the teabaggers and the townhall wingnuts that decry good government intervention because they have "got theirs", and do not mean to share with those 'susceptible to predators in the marketplace' (though why should there be any such predators, any more than we should just accept the fact there are serial killers around and make no attempt to root them out to save those 'susceptible to serial killers'?) Simple-minded. Selfish. Of course, Capitalism preys upon greed and fear. And cancerous growth.
Yet while you were congratulating yourself on the ability to read contracts, people in far-off towers were parsing your contracts, without your knowledge, into tranches and secruitizations, and then leveraging those to heights of insanity, to boot. And who asked you? Nobody. Yes, despite all your care, you can be ruined by a corporate whim. This is what needs the 'nanny' you despise. Simplification of the financial market - no futures, derivatives, options, margins, securitizations, death-puts, insurance gimmicks. Don't even regulate these monsters, just Toss them away, ban them all, as they create NOTHING OF VALUE (Jon Stewart had a wonderful chart indicating this very detail.) They are financial instruments like a Bookie is a financial instrument.
Yes, while you may be congratulating yourself for having, perhaps, the good fortune of a home that was apparently rocketing-to-the-moon in value, you did not realize that the value was ENTIRELY set by the banksters in charge of the SHAM and SWINDLE in which you are unwittingly completely implicated. Greenspan made your home value go up, REGARDLESS of whatever you personally did, and how prudently you did it.
And now that "values" have exceeded any boudaries of reality, your values are falling REGARDLESS of what you do. But you are still in Debt-Slavery for the Original amount.
So you see that other people and unknown incidents do affect you immensely, and me. Despite out best wishes and efforts. Just like a bomb would. Since we are social creatures, we should at least protect each other, as we affect each other.
And the government "nanny state" has now SAVED capitalism altogether YET AGAIN, with its Direct government bailouts and the hidden FedRes 'Insertions' into ALL markets and flooding the banksers' pockets with some $24 Trillion dollars. (But the banksters have yet to figure out how to saddle the guv'mint with the unwind of all the Derivatives that were placed in the 'Bush/Cheney/NeoCon Den of Thieves Years', as this daunting amount is now above ONE QUADRILLION dollars... of Debt!) Git out yer checkbook!
But somehow, to bailout WE THE PEOPLE instead of the criminals-in-charge is "way too expensive" and "socialism" and "rewarding the financially uneducated" and "nanny statism". And this is prevented from happening by the Corpofascist Powers in charge of our Congresspersons and the MSM- the best money can buy. And if you think all the ludicrous high-priced lawyerese of the endless variations of contracts is worth more than the guns or legal power to back them up, you are truly naive.
Mr. Dimm, the state you call Nanny has saved your bacon. Time and again. No, it is NOT government we have to fear, but persons in government that are controlled, manipulated, or bribed by corpofascists of Transnational Big Business and Eisenhower's warned-of Military-Industrial-Congressional Complex.
The Founders did not write, "WE THE PEOPLE NEED NO STATE, ESPECIALLY NO DAMN NANNY STATE." They strived for a Better state, with limits and controls against bad people in power or even good people with way too much power, and they wished for ever-more perfecting of the American nation, while realizing this process would never end, as they were not, nor are we, perfected.
And in the current crowded world, Socialism (or as Waltdimm would have, nanny statism) is the best way forward. For We The People.
Sioux Rose
FVHORN: Can you hear me clapping? Bravo, sir! A masterful post that covers almost it all. And great rebuttal to the visiting neocon pro-establishment yes-man. Not sure he can hear its truth, however. Yet others do.
According to many of the posters here, the establishment of a new agency that would protect the average consumer from price fixing, price gouging and predatory lending would be a bad thing.
I guess they would also like to see the return of patent medicines, the repeal of automotive safety, the end of testing by the FDA to ensure that the food and drink of the nation is fit for human consumption, as well as any number of other measures that ensured the health and safety of themselves and their parents.
Less than one hundred years ago, people in the US had no protections at all. 'Caveat emptor' applied to everything that could be bought. There were no protections for workers, no social safety net. No weekends off that were recognized, let alone national holidays off with pay.
Without the efforts of workers unions and social activists like Ralph Nader, we would still be enduring such conditions.
And with the efforts of the Right wing going as they are, we will likely see the return of these conditions anyway. So why are you willing to give them more rope to hang us with?
Gore Vidal: "We'll have a dictatorship soon in the U.S.". A quote from his recent interview of September 30th in Timesonline/uk. Interesting reading and still availible online.
In the modern scheme of things, you don't need a dictator for tyranny. As each day passes, the power of the corporate fascist machine in America grows. Our "representatives" are bought and paid for. Our media is bought and paid for. They can prop up any pretty face and it quickly becomes apparent who he represents. It increasingly appears that our great black hope is nothing more than corporate fascist quisling. America is on the ropes.
Agreed Lefty however, with the constant erosion of our system for checks and balances it is only a matter of time before someone or some group figures out how to crumble this corrupt government. Some top dogs on Wall Street have probably already figured it out. Forget the money, it's all about power and it's right there at their finger tips. What did more to cripple and weaken this country, Wall Street greed or the tradgedy on 9/11?
Do they take us for schmucks? No. They take us for suckers, for pigeons, for marks; and when they steal the 2000 elections, they take us for supine peasants afraid to squeak, conditioned to obey illegitimate authority, fearful of becoming ex-wage-slaves by downsizing or outsourcing or firing for speaking, kneeling and bending over for our masters, joining the military to make a living killing littler, browner people for their own good and the exploitation of their children.
Long sentence, that.
I think some remedial Yiddish is needed here. The confusion is understandable because Yiddish is rich in insult words.
A SHMUCK is a selfish and unpleasant person. Most literal translation would be a "prick".
"A SHLEMIEL is somebody who often spills his soup; a SHLEMAZL is the person the soup lands on."
The bankers and Republicans are the schmucks.
The Democrats are the shlemiels.
We are the shlemazls.
Joe
Until the American people seize the reins of power the only change is going to be for the worse.
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