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The Cheney Plan to Deploy the US Military on US Soil
This new report today from The New York Times' Mark Mazzetti and David Johnston reveals an entirely unsurprising though still important event: in 2002, Dick Cheney and David Addington urged that U.S. military troops be used to arrest and detain American citizens, inside the U.S., who were suspected of involvement with Al Qaeda. That was done pursuant to a previously released DOJ memo (.pdf) authored by John Yoo and Robert Delahunty, addressed to Alberto Gonzales, dated October 23, 2001, and chillingly entitled "Authority for Use of Military Force to Combat Terrorist Activities Within the U.S." That Memo had concluded that the President had authority to deploy the U.S. military against American citizens on U.S. soil. Far worse, it asserted that in exercising that power, the President could not bound either by Congressional statutes prohibiting such use (such as the Posse Comitatus Act) or even by the Constitution's Fourth Amendment, which -- the Memo concluded -- was "inapplicable" to what it called "domestic military operations."
Though it received very little press attention, it is not hyperbole to observe that this October 23 Memo was one of the most significant events in American politics in the last several decades, because it explicitly declared the U.S. Constitution -- the Bill of Rights -- inoperative inside the U.S., as applied to U.S. citizens. Just read what it said in arguing that neither the Fourth Amendment -- nor even the First Amendment -- can constrain what the President can do when overseeing "domestic military operations" (I wrote about that Memo when it was released last March and excerpted the most revealing and tyrannical portions: here). Here's just a small sample to convey the rancid taste of that Memo (click on images to enlarge):
Today's NYT report is the first which reveals that high-level Bush officials actively considered and even advocated that the power to use the military to arrest American citizens on U.S. soil be used. In this instance, Cheney and Addington argued that the U.S. Army should be deployed to Buffalo to arrest six American citizens -- dubbed the "Lackawanna Six" -- suspected of being Al Qaeda members (though not suspected of being anywhere near executing an actual Terrorist attack). The Cheney/Addington plan was opposed by DOJ officials who wanted domestic law enforcement jurisdiction for themselves, and the plan was ultimately rejected by Bush, who instead dispatched the FBI to arrest them [all six were ultimately charged in federal court with crimes ("material support for terrorism"); all pled guilty and were sentenced to long prison terms, and they then cooperated in other cases, once again illustrating how effective our normal criminal justice and federal prison systems are in incapacitating Terrorists].
All that said, the Bush administration did use a very similar power when it dispatched FBI agents to arrest U.S. citizen Jose Padilla on American soil (at Chicago's O'Hare Airport), but then very shortly thereafter transferred him to military custody, where he was held for the next 3 years with no trial, no charges, and no contact with the outside world, including lawyers. The only thing distinguishing the Padilla case from what Cheney/Addington argued be done in the Lackawanna Six case was that the military wasn't used to make the initial apprehension of Padilla. But Padilla was then transferred to military custody and held on U.S. soil for years in a brig, incommunicado and tortured, with no charges of any kind (another U.S. citizen, Yaser Hamdi, was treated similarly until the Supreme Court ruled he was entitled to some sort of hearing, after which he was sent to Saudi Arabia).
All of this underscores why it is so important to vigorously oppose the efforts of the Obama administration (a) to continue many of the radical Bush/Cheney Terrorism programs and even to implement new ones (preventive detention, military commissions, extreme secrecy policies, warrantless surveillance, denial of habeas corpus) and (b) to endorse the core Orwellian premise that enables all of that (i.e., the "battlefield" is anywhere and everywhere; the battle against Terrorism is a "War" like the Civil War or World War II and justifies the same powers). By itself, the extreme injustice imposed by our Government on the individuals subjected to such tyrannical powers (i.e., those held in cages for years without charges or any prospect for release) should be sufficient to compel firm opposition. But the importance of these issues goes far beyond that. Even if the original intention is to use these powers in very limited circumstances and even for allegedly noble purposes ("only" for Guantanamo detainees who were tortured, "only" for people shipped to Bagram, "only" for the Most Dangerous Terrorists), it's extremely dangerous to implement systems and vest the President with powers that depart from, and violently betray, our core precepts of justice.
It's the nature of governments that powers of this type, once vested, rarely remain confined to their original purpose. They inevitably and invariably expand far beyond that. Powers that are endowed to address a limited and supposedly temporary circumstance almost always endure for years if not decades. Once a political official possesses a particular power, they almost never relinquish it voluntarily (there are exceptions -- Jimmy Carter in 1978 signed, and subsequent Presidents until Bush complied with, FISA, which barred Presidents from eavesdropping without a judicial warrant, but such instances are exceedingly rare). Perhaps most dangerous of all, detention and punishment schemes that are implemented in relatively normal times (such as now) will inevitably expand, and expand wildly, in the case of some heightened threat (such as another Terrorist attack). Put another way, once we depart for ostensibly limited purposes from our fundamental principles of justice -- in order to indefinitely detain "just some special cases" without charges -- then, by definition, we're fundamentally altering our system of justice far beyond that.
Worse still, if -- after eight years of Yoo memos and theories of presidential omnipotence and denial of habeas corpus -- a Democratic President with a Democratic Congress implements his own kinder, gentler version of such programs, then they will cease to be a twisted aberration from the post-9/11 Bush era and will instead become the new bipartisan, American consensus approach to justice. We'll have a national (rather than right-wing) endorsement of the "principle" that national security threats justify denial of the most basic rights when it comes to detention and imprisonment. When I interviewed The New York Times' Charlie Savage in May, after he wrote another article detailing the similarities between the Bush/Cheney and Obama approaches to Terrorism, this is how he put it:
I had this interesting conversation when I was working on this article that came out this morning with Jack Balkin at Yale Law School, and he compares this moment to when Dwight Eisenhower took over, in 1953, and after FDR and then Truman had built up the New Deal administrative state, which Republicans hated, but then Eisenhower, instead of dismantling it, just sort of adjusted it with his own policies a little bit, and kept it going. And at that point, there was no longer any sort of partisan controversy about the fact that we were going to have this massive administrative state; it just sort of became a permanent part of the governing structure of the country.
And in the same way he said in 1969 when Richard Nixon took over from LBJ, he did some adjustments to the great society welfare state that LBJ had built up, but he didn't scrap it. And at that point, Republicans and Democrats had both presided over the welfare state and the welfare state became part of just how government worked.
That in the same way, Obama now, by continuing the broad outlines of the various surveillance and detention and counter-terrorism programs, is draining them of plausible partisan controversy, and so they are going to become entrenched and consolidated as permanent features of American government as well, going forward.
Those are the stakes when it comes to debates over Obama's detention, surveillance and secrecy policies. To endorse the idea that Terrorism justifies extreme presidential powers in these areas is to ensure that we permanently embrace a radical departure from our core principles of justice. It should come as no surprise that once John Yoo did what he was meant to do -- give his legal approval to a truly limitless presidency, one literally unconstrained even by the Bill of Rights, even as applied to American citizens on U.S. soil -- then Dick Cheney and David Addington sought to use those powers (in the Buffalo case) and Bush did use them (in the case of Jose Padilla). That's how extreme powers work: once implemented, they will be used, and used far beyond their original intent -- whether by the well-intentioned implementing President or a subsequent one with less benign motives. That's why it's so vital that such policies be opposed before they take root.
UPDATE: On a mostly (though not entirely) unrelated note, here is a prime example of Digby's excellence: her commentary on the prevailing authoritarian mentality towards government and police power in the U.S., as reflected by the Gates controversy.
UPDATE II: As Kitt notes in Comments, Obama himself, as a candidate, repeatedly embraced these ideas. Here is what he said in February, 2008, after he convinced Chris Dodd to endorse him during the primary and while he tried to convince Dodd voters, who made civil liberties and a restoration core Constitutional values one of their highest priorities, to support him as well:
We know it’s time to time to restore our Constitution and the rule of law. This is an issue that was at the heart of Senator Dodd’s candidacy, and I share his passion for restoring the balance between the security we demand and the civil liberties that we cherish.
The American people must be able to trust that their president values principle over politics, and justice over unchecked power. I’ve been proud to stand with Senator Dodd in his fight against retroactive immunity for the telecommunications industry [GG: This was just four months before Obama would vote for a bill granting immunity to the telecoms]. Secrecy and special interests must not trump accountability [GG: This was roughly 11 months before the Obama DOJ began embracing the Bush/Cheney "state secrets" privilege to shield lawless programs from judicial review]. We must show our citizens -- and set an example to the world -- that laws cannot be ignored when it is inconvenient. Because in America -- no one is above the law [GG: This was about a year before he announced that no Bush officials should be prosecuted for crimes because we must Look Forward].
It’s time to reject torture without equivocation. It’s time to close Guantanamo and to restore habeas corpus [GG: This was about a year before his administration began insisting that people we abduct and ship to Bagram have no right to habeas review]. It’s time to give our intelligence and law enforcement agencies the tools they need to track down and take out terrorists, while ensuring that their actions are subject to vigorous oversight that protects our freedom [GG: This was just four months before Obama would vote for a bill massively expanding warrantless eavesdropping]. So let me be perfectly clear: I have taught the Constitution, I understand the Constitution, and I will obey the Constitution when I am President of the United States.
The Barack Obama who understands those things still exists. That's why the effort to induce him to act on -- rather than violate -- those principles is so imperative.
UPDATE III: As several commenters note, this revelation about Cheney sheds new light on the reason many people were concerned by prior reports that a U.S. Army brigade, for the first time, was being permanently deployed to the domestic U.S. Many of us expressing that concern were accused of indulging bizarre paranoia that the U.S. Army would ever be deployed against U.S. citizens on U.S. soil. I wonder how those who made such shrill accusations feel now in light of today's revelation that Cheney was advocating for precisely that.
On a different note, I was on The Mike Malloy Show last night, with guest host Brad Friedman, discussing Obama and civil liberties. Those interested can hear the segments I did here, beginning at the start of HOUR ONE.
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Show AllThis would have been the overt opening shot in a Bush/Cheney/military takeover of the United States. Everybody who comments on this site would have been (if they haven't already) declared a terrorist.
When they hang Bush and Cheney for crimes against humanity, don't forget that other Nazi bastard, David Addington.
The further away we are from the Bush error, and the more that comes out bit by bit: a clearer picture of a neo-fascist state with Dick Cheney as its' chickenhawk power behind the throne emerges...and it is profoundly scary.
The urgent need for a Nuremberg style proceeding against the authoritarian cabal that infected the White House is more relevant than ever.
It's coming. Obama is not moving us away from the Bush era.
Can you say Police State? And only three comments?
You have never had a nightmare compared to what the ruling has in mind for us.
Why are John Yoo and Robert Delahunty still at large?
Did Murdoch and FauxNews fail to report the Fascist coup?
Do we pledge allegance to the Junta for which it stands now>
The Update at the end of Glenn's article, I believe, is precisely on point because what we're talking about re Cheney/Bush and the ongoing Gates affair is the same: A kind of steadily creeping brainwashing toward military and police "protection" that has been accepted in its entirety, at least by right wing factions. And, as Digby put it, those who are so unbelieveably stupid they should only comment on Palin's wardrobe.
In fact, it's rather the same mentality that buys into and accepts the ignorance, hate, and vitriol that comes out of Palin's mouth. Those who are promulgating the acceptance of police and military "protection" (for you own protection, of course) understand this mentality and they are pushing their agendas to the max.
Those who crave this kind of protection forget one major fact, and that is that one day the military will be coming for them -- tides turn very easily -- and then who will they run to? The Constitution or the Bill of Rights?
It isn't simply the right wing that accepts authoritarian police and military power. If it were simply the right, it wouldn't really be a problem.
The problem, as digby mentions, is that many liberals, many progressives, many left leaning people also accept authoritarian police and military power. Another problem is that many liberals, many progressives, many leftists, have no problem with authoritarian power, as long as it is someone they support who has that power. In other words, their opposition to authoritarian power by Bush, wasn't because they opposed authoritarian power, it was because they opposed Bush. These people don't have a problem with police abusing their power, as long as that abused of power is used for them. It is only when police abusing their power is used against them that they scream.
A police state is pretty much inevitable as increasingly large numbers of U.S. citizens are awakening to the realisation that their own "freedom and democracy" isn't much different than the version that USA Incorporated has imposed on other "lesser" peoples by force of arms.
One wonders how all those second amendment "last line of defence against government tyranny" supporters will make out. I suspect they'll find that Northcom is slightly better armed.
There is a certain absurdity that anyone would/could use the US Military successfully against the 'US general population'. That they would be 'charged' with the subjugation of the most radical, most ill informed, most insecure population of the most highly armed people the world has ever known, would be so difficult as to be impossible--- to where the "General Officer" given the task would resign his/her commission first.
Or, that the military would be turned over to an absolute 'fool' who just happened to be the last one given the "Brigadiers Star" after a long line of 'resignations' of higher ranking better experienced officers.
Even if he/she won 'this week', someone would 'get to them', most likely one of your own men, and the 'selection process for a new commanding general of the "Homeland Army of Enforcement" (or whatever flaky name they invented) would begin all over again.
Now, if those "Army Guys" just hold their 'enforcement' down to Muslims, and 'others'---(those are the one's the 'deciders' 'decide on this week to be the others') that would be just fine. Have NBC,ABC,CBS, and of course Fox news "guys and gals" there commenting on the "enforcement program-but, don't you even think about 'takin them christjuns on'----
They are very well armed, (most often better than the local police) most are excellent marksmen/women---and they would even have their small children---armed and ready----and out on the 'firing line'---yes they would!
The American people as a whole are the most fully armed 'civilian force' in the history of the world. Many of them with the 'latest' in 'sports arms' with millions of rounds of ammunition 'to swim in'. Add to that the fact that the 'majority of those' are under educated, ill informed and most often fundamentalist 'christian believers or neo-Nazi or just about any other group' ---and well---since they are all going to 'heaven when they die' they'll take a few of the 'others' (that is THEIR others) with them.
Cheney and Bush are not very intelligent men, but they are not totally stupid. Since they still would have a very difficult time in finding enough "military professionals" to take on such a task; and since both of them are 'notorious cowards', it would be foolish to expect them to 'suit up' and 'show up'---for the 'big fight'.......
It reminds me of a story that was told to me as a child.
In short, the "Squirrel" thought that he could 'beat the Hawk'---only to end up as "Hawk Crap" on a tree branch.
Good Luck there America, you really need it.
"... they still would have a very difficult time in finding enough "military professionals" to take on such a task ..."
Considering the historical record as well as recent "homeland security" events, I wouldn't count on that. As for sporting rifles against organized troops with military arms, ... Well, good luck.
The Viet Namese were fairly sucessful against us, Afgans, etc......you don't hasve to win battles to win a war.
Aside from that, you'll find that the military would not deploy in the way you mean. The National Guard is mostly US.
Fortunately for me, I'll not be there to find out either way. I only know that Americans haven't been too reluctant to shoot each other in the past -- even to point of a civil war which was one of the bloodiest in the nation's history.
Anyhow, I'm not really predicting anything definite, and certainly not success or failure. Just suggesting that it might not be wise to place too much confidence in the self-restraint of the U.S. military and the motivations of its trained troops. They seem quite capable of dehumanizing just about any designated enemy as defined by their Commander-in-Chief -- to whom most think they owe their sworn allegiance BTW.
Obviously you are not familiar with 'military professionals'---none of them would want to be associated with a failure, except for the fools that the others would send into the fray---so as to 'feed them to the beast'.
And as for 'sporting rifles' ----you might wish to 'switch your reading material',
there are currently no less than one million 1956 model SKS, 7.62MM semi automatic, (mostly Chinese made) Russian designed military rifles--right here in the good ole USA---I own two my self---one rifle and one carbine--with plenty of ammunition; they were 'left behind' in a rent house I owned several years ago. So if the 'red necks' are leaving their rifles behind when they 'skip rent'---how many more of them are 'in storage' just waiting to be used?
The Military could perhaps 'call out' less than 500,000 troops (many of which would most likely 'turn' and join the 'civilian uprising'----those would be in opposition to at least one million "good americans"--'patriots' (or is that idiots)---'sons of the revolution'----AND their wives---- and children. After they killed off a few platoons of US Military, they could capture enough weapons, both light and heavy, and with plenty of 'vets' and 'mercs' out there---'out of work' and 'up to it'---a "red neck patriot army" could and WOULD be armed, 'ready willing and able' to "take back amuraka".
So, hang on to your fantasy world there----
you could end up as a 'POW' of one of your own neighbors, or relatives for that matter.
Good Luck America, you really need it.
Since CD editors do not update Glenn's Updates to his articles (come on CD editors!!!) I'm including the second Update here:
UPDATE II: As Kitt notes in Comments, Obama himself, as a candidate, repeatedly embraced these ideas. Here is what he said in February, 2008, after he convinced Chris Dodd to endorse him during the primary and while he tried to convince Dodd voters, who made civil liberties and a restoration core Constitutional values one of their highest priorities, to support him as well:
We know it’s time to time to restore our Constitution and the rule of law. This is an issue that was at the heart of Senator Dodd’s candidacy, and I share his passion for restoring the balance between the security we demand and the civil liberties that we cherish.
The American people must be able to trust that their president values principle over politics, and justice over unchecked power. I’ve been proud to stand with Senator Dodd in his fight against retroactive immunity for the telecommunications industry [GG: This was just four months before Obama would vote for a bill granting immunity to the telecoms]. Secrecy and special interests must not trump accountability [GG: This was roughly 11 months before the Obama DOJ began embracing the Bush/Cheney "state secrets" privilege to shield lawless programs from judicial review]. We must show our citizens -- and set an example to the world -- that laws cannot be ignored when it is inconvenient. Because in America -- no one is above the law [GG: This was about a year before he announced that no Bush officials should be prosecuted for crimes because we must Look Forward].
It’s time to reject torture without equivocation. It’s time to close Guantanamo and to restore habeas corpus [GG: This was about a year before his administration began insisting that people we abduct and ship to Bagram have no right to habeas review]. It’s time to give our intelligence and law enforcement agencies the tools they need to track down and take out terrorists, while ensuring that their actions are subject to vigorous oversight that protects our freedom [GG: This was just four months before Obama would vote for a bill massively expanding warrantless eavesdropping]. So let me be perfectly clear: I have taught the Constitution, I understand the Constitution, and I will obey the Constitution when I am President of the United States.
The Barack Obama who understands those things still exists. That's why the effort to induce him to act on -- rather than violate -- those principles is so imperative.
To be clear, in contradiction to what I said above, the CD editors just added the second Update, from Salon.com, above, to the article, at the end. That might have been in response to my request (and perhaps others' requests) in an e-mail that they consider doing this with Glenn's articles. I hope they keep adding Glenn's updates to this and his future articles.
To the credit of the CD editors, this kind of responsiveness to feedback is professional, heart-warming and helpful.
Thank you Craig and the other CD editors!!!
henry the national guard is out of country right now there
may not be enough in any one state at the moment to put down
a major act out without help from a neighboring states guard.
i have been waiting for this from obama for a long time.i was going to work for him in ny till the telecom fiasco and he
showed his true intentions.this guy is kind of a manchurian
candidate. perfectly planned education community organizer.
prof. at u of c (beginning of problem) then corp. state
senator blah blah blah where we see the real obama. that nut
glenn beck couldn't have made this up.no dismantling of any
of the bush/cheney regime.obama's tough enough to win the
presidency so taking these back in the house and senate
is going to be a mother! plus their all part of the two
headed one party system where its all about money AND
power so everyone of the players are on the same page
when it comes the status quo!i can't remember the bill number
but last year jane harman introduced a bill that would allow
teams of govt. analysts to visit college campuses and interview
students and figure out who the problem children are.the bill
died because it was coupled with legislation that died. jane
authored this bill with data and help from the rand
corp.can anyone add to this?this country has been dumbed down to the point where anything these f--ks think may fly will be tried.the folks who visit these type of sights will be targets
and we will be watched and data mined until they figure out
how they can shut us up.its not about guns and pick up trucks as one poster stated.THE PEN IS WAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE MIGHTIER
HEN THE SWORD.this is how we will start take them down with grass roots amendments to limit terms and thus accumulation of
power and incumbency for starters.anybody else care to jump in?
oh and i'm a socialist and this wasn't a rant just the facts.
one more thing please kick in the ante democracy is never free. these wonderful
folks are so kind letting us un burden ourselves in a way that's not easy to find today!
Deploying US troops on Us soil on US citizens will be opening the floodgates to hell. Human nature provides us with the 'each man for himself' syndrome and that nice neighbor that you are fond of will turn you in to save himself, if he hasn't shot you first, being the 'terrorist' you are because you think different than he does. Watching a country self destruct won't be pretty.
Greenwald writes: "The Barack Obama who understands those things still exists."
In which para||el universe might that be?
Greenwald didn't mention Northcom, the U.S. military mission established in Oct. 2002 to intervene in everything domestic, with the exception of law enforcement.
It's a highly dubious mission for the U.S. military (who are trained to kill) and violates the spirit of Posse Comitatus law.
Obama didn't dissolve Northcom, so it will continue to thrive as an institution and will chip away at legal precedent and assumptions.
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There we have it explicitly.
The intentions behind such things are always directed primarily at the domestic population, though the actions so often are not - primarily. Foreign peoples can be blown up with relative abandon. Goons must cut people from the domestic population with care to not inform the rest; that involves all these concerns to distort legalities.
As the price of empire rises, the price of offending the domestic population may fall in relation.
BO and company aren't stupid - they know there's no 'war on terror' and they know they don't need any expanded powers to 'win' said nonexistent WoT.
However, what they also know is this: the economy for us 99-percenters ain't recovering, and the planet is melting.
Our government, (as well as most worldwide,) now consider that combo the biggest threat to 'national security' ever.
Like good Boy Scouts, our government is just getting prepared... you know, to better help us all when the dominoes start tipping...
"A militarized police state is coming to this country—into your own neighborhood, and with you and your family as its targets—unless you start, right now, to enforce the Constitution, as is your right."
http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin187.htm
this article addresses the phrase "in actual service" as it relates to the POTUS's powers as Commander in Chief.
In the Times' reconstruction of this debate, the Justice Department was concerned that it may have insufficient evidence to successfully prosecute a legal case against the suspects, so Cheney advocated sending in the military, on the grounds that "the administration would need a lower threshold of evidence to declare them enemy combatants and keep them in military custody." This is the Times being intentionally obfuscatory; the "enemy combatant" designation invented by the Bush administration required *no* evidence, and wasn't subject to *any* oversight. As those in the administration asserted the power, they could so designate anyone they wanted, and hold them forever. That Cheney explicitly argued for this approach based on a concern that there may not be enough evidence to show that the individuals in question were guilty of anything points directly to why this Stalinist "power" was explicitly banned by the Constitution and U.S. law in the first place.
From the Times recounting of the debate, the decision to use the FBI was made because, on the one hand, the Justice Department, considering such matters their turf, resented and argued against encroachment into it, and, on the other, some officials thought it would be bad public relations to send tanks into an American suburb. There seems to have been no concern at all with the matter of constitutionality or legality. If it even came up, no one who described the debate to the Times seems to have mentioned it.
These days, Cheney is the loudest voice crowing about how Obama's abandonment of Bush policies would put the country at risk, but, as this revelation demonstrates yet again, Cheney and his ilk are a far greater threat to the U.S. than al Qaida could ever be.
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The military training manual labels protesters as low incidence terrorists{ it might have deleted recently).
The only way to defeat such power and ignorance is to divorce yourself from it as much as possible.
July 27-31 National Level Exercises 2009, NORAD, Northcom, FEMA, FBI, all US, Israeli, German, Australian, Canadian, Mexican, and more unknown-to-me militaries and intelligence agencies as well as mercenary armies such as Blackwater/Xe, Chicago's, etc. are in Chicago for international terrorism "drills/exercises" that whistleblowers and analylists think will be live terror for explosives and bioterrorism using swine flu developed in US military labs from exhumed flu victims from post WWI, equine flu, and avian flu that could not mutate/evolve naturally and gun-point vaccines that are proven not beneficial but very dangerous and deadly, and include elements in Golf War Syndrome. Leak of CDC shows map of high swine flu death rates that don't fit natural epidemiological patterns but can fit deaths from forced vaccines. Journalist filed court documents in Austria charging planned genocide of Americans by US government and German military warned of involvement.
Plans include use of Sears Tower recently named Willis Tower recently bought by Silverstein who made a killing from NYC WTC towers and admitted telling them to pull it (Building 7 which had CIA etc equipment and evidence), causing efficient planned demolition with preset explosives matching pattern at WTC two towers. Silverstein has same insurance co that made a killing with WTC NYC. New Willis Tower tenants already expert at getting fed bail-outs include AIG, Citibank, Mr Goldmand of Goldman Sachs, etc. perfectly placed for more bail-outs and profits seen in stock market speculation from insiders similar to that seen in 9-11, plus stock and contract profits from martial law. (See Presidential Directive 51, etc).
Same military drills and groups seen same place/time/scenario/cover story as went live and distracted from real emergency crime prevention/stop and help during 9-11, Oklahoma City bombing, London bombing, Madrid bombing, Mumbai bombings. What was FEMA doing in Spain and India coincidentally at same place time as attacks blamed on others? We need to publicize this so the plotters will postpone it and public can protect selves.
Great post Sue Johnson.
Some level of martial law was declared by FDR, which included making private ownership of gold illegal that continued to 1970s. Three days after 9/11 Bush elevated this martial law by activating long-planned for Continuity of Government, suspension of the Constitution, and Northcom for the duration of our national state of emergency. This state of emergency has been renewed yearly since 2001. Congress has been denied access to the details of COG, and has failed to review and approve the so-called state of emergency which it is required by law to do every 6 months. In fact, Congress has not upheld its Constitutional duty to declare war since WWII. The banking elites (Rothschilds, Rockefellers, others, worth over $10trillion a piece) have manufactured every crisis we've had since the bank failures that preceded the Christmas eve 1913 passage of the Federal Reserve act. The MIAC document and other terrorist watch lists are in use across the country, flowing from the CIA/NSA/State Police/Local Police/Military/Northcom "fusion centers" that have sprung up in every state in million foot complexes. Their job is to surveil problemmatic American citizens such as right to lifers, home schoolers, pro-Constitution supporters, 2nd amendment groups, military vets, political dissidents, animal rights groups, anti war groups, and activists and protesters of all stripes. The whole apparatus of the "war on terror" - including suspension of habeus corpus, indefinite detention, torture, the term enemy combatant (which has no legal standing according to the World Court) - is being wheeled around toward the American people. Hitler was a vegetarian. He and Mussolini arguably came from the left, promising health insurance for all, full employment (with jobs in the State, like Obama's 13 million planned goon squads). This is not about right or left, but rather about freedom versus tyranny/control. The intention is to implode the US economy (24 trillion $ stolen since October 2008) so as to bring in a new world order (or a closer approximation of that). The Zeitgeist guy waxes poetic about how technology will liberate us. But the transhumanists (futurists) say the future has no need for 95% of the humans alive today. The evidence points to technology being used for surveilance, drones, and microchip/tracking, and digitial currency where even yard sale transactions will be tracked and taxed. They say now that the answer is the carbon tax on real productive activity (a derivates based scam invented by Enron), meanwhile a Tobin tax on all speculative Wall Street transactions is off the table. The carbon tax system will actually increase carbon worldwide because more manufacturing will flee the US to set up shop in Brazil and China where weaker controls are in place (another US destroying strategy). How can we fight back if we're broke and don't make anything anymore. Hell, even a lot of military R&D is being outsourced to China now. cf infowars.com. Peace.
I try, as a basic life habit, to avoid thinking about evil, even though I know some good people have not only think about it but confront it. In our daily lives, I guess we all confront evil all the time.
I live in downtown Berkeley, CA. I see a casual, often over-looked-as-evil example of evil, everytime I step into this city, widely regarded as one of the most liberal in the world. I see human beings begging for food who will sleep outdoors tonight, and every night, because, for whatever reason, they have not found a place in the dominator economy. The dominator economy does not provide, or guarantee, paid work for all humans, or that paid workers actually be paid enough to live on AND the dominator economy, which is what Cheney wants to preserve, which is why Cheney has the beliefs that he has devoted his life to imposing on everyone, insists that people have to find paid work, pay their own way and if, for whatever reason (including, for the most part, disability and trauma) then you don't get a piece of this earth's bounty. Such a mindset believes that there isn't enough on planet earth for everyone so they try to guarantee a social system that will guarantee their safety.
It is a dangerous, futile illusion to believe that wealth and power can insulate the lucky few who managed to score a spot at the top from loss. The richest person in the world cannot always buy the health of a loved one or prevent a loved one from being killed standing on a street corner.
We are all at risk. The only security is love.
Most of the Cheney types seem to ascribe to some form of Christianity. Maybe in other parts of the world, the Cheney types espouse another religion. Totalitarian leaning zealots seem to use religious fervor (which is different from faith) to enlist support, to get people to support them from a fear-based, emotional level. .. instead of from love and caring for one another.
I am rambling. Yes, I know I know. But here is my question . . . and I hate to think the thoughts I am about to write, which is why I was rambling, above. . . .
what kind of world does cheney think we will have if his ideas became implemented throughout society?
And this question: does Cheney assume he will be safe when we live in his world order? that his grandchildren will be safe? who does Cheney care about? Does he care about people? Does he have loving, familial feelings that would seem familiar to me? Can he hold a grandchild in his arms, behold that joy with love and joy and still think it is okay for the U.S. President to use military force to arrest Americans as enemy combatants? And what system would he give us that would protect his grandchild from ever being the victim of such a policy? When Cheney is dead and gone, will there be humans alive that he cared about, whose quality of life he seeks to ensure with his worldview?
What kind of world does he see? What kind of world does he think we should all aspire to live in?
Because I don't get Cheney and the rest of the Bush cabal. I don't understand the resentment and vitriol I see in online discussion forums, red and blue, left and right.
I want to live in a world where love is the dominator value, where all humans don't have to be guaranteed to have their basic survival needs met because it is so deeply hardwired into us that caring for one another is a central focus for hunan life. Surely we are not here to dominate people born unlucky so people that are born lucky can have a cushy life?!!
Share. We're here to share and care for one another. I am sure of it.
What does Cheney think human life is for?
Certainly we are in Kali yuga, the lowest of the four stages described in Hindu cosmology. I won't really go into it much tonight but suffice to say that it this stage man is only a meal away from eating his own kind - dead or alive.
Certainly you are right, in that love is the greatest force in the creation and the essence of the godhead. But in these devoluted times love is smothered by selfish egotism and fear.
As for Chaney, I would consider him to be a functioning certified criminally insane sociopath ( a growing population in world leaders) that should be in a maximum security facility to protect society from his blackened poisonous vision. Best bet would be placing him in a cell with Charlie Manson where he just might learn a few things about cause and effect (i.e. KARMA!)
Sioux Rose
TREE FITZ: Profound post, thank you for sharing it.
RALPH442: Good response.
SUE JOHNSON: Interesting (if ominous) data!
Cheney's thoughts on human life are probably not far from the same thoughts that Hitler and Pol Pot had. Power mad sociopaths like Hitler and Cheney are not held back by petty emotions like love and compassion.
Simple, obama will take off from where dick left off and will deploy the troops to protect the national treasures, the upper 1% or so of the crooks that have stolen the most money from the taxpayer who in reality seem to think this is the way it should be; so no wonder this country sinks ever lower into oblivion so those proclaiming to be the 'masters' get their way because these dunderheads want or cannot vote real people into their districts to turn this government around.
Little Feat, just saw their dvd from germany and it is fantastic!
Mind boggling that Bill Clinton went through impeachment proceedings for a BJ, and on the other hand you have Bush and Cheney lying their butts off to get us to invade Iraq, killing hundreds of thousands of people, costing taxpayers trillions of dollars, while repeatedly violating citizen civil rights and the constitution.
Bush fell off of the map while Cheney is going around to talk shows and getting interviewed with that lopsided smirk on his face. I suppose I shouldn't complain because he is a reminder to most Americans about one of the very worst white house administrations in our history. I'm sure Republicans will want him to shut up and go away in the same manner that none of the GOP candidates wanted a Bush endorsement in 2008.
Insane is as insane does!
BHO has drunk the Imperial Kool-Aid laced with human blood (the cost of doing business) -- we're over the edge folks -- he rejects none of it -- he just ain't gonna talk about it -- just leave it where it is and use it when the food riots start....over the edge, over again...bye bye miss american pie...