As Long As We're Talking About Socialism
CNBC business analyst Rick Santelli's televised tirade earlier this year ago against the idea of "loser" homeowners receiving government assistance turned the cable analyst into an overnight folk hero, no small feat for this voice of oppressed bond traders everywhere.
The Fox News/Republican right has high hopes the ensuing "tea party" protests inspired by Santelli's rhetoric will serve as a rallying cry for rousing the right-wing faithful against President Obama's economic recovery plan. Unfortunately for them, the public protests against "taxes and spending" turned mostly into a transparent exhibition of the Republican Party's desperation.
Indeed, there is legitimate public unease over the President's recovery plan. But what are the Republicans going to do about it? Predictably, the "free-market" fetishists of the right remain broken records when it comes to their own recovery proposals. Which are? Basically, just more of the same Bush-era version of deregulated Reaganomics. In other words, endless sops to the financial interests of the rich and powerful while everyone else gets to breathe more stale air about better days to come. That's why the "Tea Party" protests amount to little more than a manipulated exercise in fake populism.
But as long as we're shedding illusions, what about also divesting ourselves of some equally archaic liberal notions? Most Democrats now assume that the economy will eventually right itself if only we somewhat re-regulate the financial sector, temporarily pump more public money into troubled companies, and provide market incentives to private capital.
Accordingly, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner wants to provide low-cost loans and guarantees to private investors to buy a minimum $500 billion (maybe up to $1 trillion) in toxic mortgage and other bank assets. The plan is based on the dubious proposition that the road to economic salvation winds through the same hedge-fund investors and private equity firms already responsible for speculating the economy into disaster. Even worse, the terms of the plan guarantee that it is only the risk-not the profit-that will be minimized for private investors. As the New York Times noted in a March 24 editorial, the Treasury plan represents "a near complete socialization of losses, with little value flowing to taxpayers."
True to form, some on the right now decry Obama's stimulus package as nothing less than the triumph of socialism in America. "Lenin and Stalin would love this stuff," former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee told a recent meeting of the Conservative Political Action Conference. Not that the huckster Huckabee has any serious ideas about how to solve the run of mortgage foreclosures or rising unemployment. Or, for that matter, the crisis of capitalism itself.
The Decline of the Empire
Speaking of which, the real trouble with the Geithner plan is its
assumption that the banking system is basically sound. In fact, the
current crisis reflects contradictions in "free market" economics
decades in the making.
As Walden Bello, a senior analyst for Focus on the Global South, noted last fall, "The Wall Street meltdown is not only due to greed and to the lack of government regulation of a hyperactive sector. The Wall Street collapse stems ultimately from the crisis of overproduction that has plagued global capitalism since the mid-seventies."
He's right. The current economic crisis is a product of the long goodbye of the postwar American empire. The prosperity that followed the end of World War II was largely driven by rebuilding war-torn Europe and Japan, along with the introduction of permanent, large-scale military spending. But inevitably the rebuilt foreign economies came to represent not just new markets and investment opportunities, but increased global competition. With the rise also of newly industrializing economies in such countries as Brazil, Taiwan, and South Korea, the competitiveness of the U.S. economy had by the 1970s begun to undergo serious decline.
Until this time, relatively high wages served not only to stimulate U.S. consumer spending, but also to pacify the labor movement. The Keynesian regulatory controls put in place in the 1930s acted at least partly to temper the natural "boom or bust" cycle of the market. But there was always a limit to how far the wondrous world of postwar productivity could go. That's because even the most affluent "free market" societies are characterized by social inequality and poverty, which represent serious brakes on the public's buying power. Hence, overproduction.
With declining profit rates, Reaganomics had by the early 1980s become the ideological clearinghouse to justify trashing "outdated" government restrictions on capital growth. Supposedly, dismantling "burdensome" restrictions on trade and commerce would prompt the wealthy, inspired by their growing good fortune, to invest with renewed vigor in new jobs and capital growth. A rising tide of popular affluence would thus be the result.
Of course, it didn't quite work out that way. The "trickle-down" economics of the Reagan era instead turned into a form of economic waterboarding for the average American. Income circulated only one-way, upward from the middle class and poor to the already well-off on their way to becoming the super well-off. Good paying union jobs were exported overseas where wages were cheap and work standards low, while at home wages and benefits stagnated and union growth stalled. Two decades later 40 to 50 percent of all U.S. corporate profits come from operations and sales abroad, while wages have remained mostly flat. Tellingly, the income gap between the haves and everyone else is greater now than any time in the nation's history.
A World on Edge
If laissez faire economics is dead, as French President
Sarkozy recently declared, so also is the era of American global
economic power. Today, the financial sector constitutes about 22
percent of all U.S. economic activity, notes former Republican
strategist Kevin Phillips in "Bad Money." As for manufacturing, it is
down to about 12 percent of the economy. These facts reflect less the
dynamic character of American capitalism than its underlying
instability and weakness. Why? Because the financial sector creates nothing of real value.
It is, as Bello notes, "tantamount to squeezing value out of already
created value." It should be an ABC of economics that only industry,
agriculture and their accompanying trade and services introduce real
value into the economy.
It should also be ABC that the current crisis is the result of bipartisan policies. It was the Clinton Administration and Congress that engineered passage of the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999, leading to repeal of decades-old regulations restricting banks from offering investment or insurance services. The runway was thus cleared for an already burgeoning investor economy to soar into the speculative stratosphere. After all, why invest in actual economic growth when the real money is to be made buying and selling other people's mortgages?
Unfortunately, the Obama Administration proceeds as if the crisis is a serious temporary problem that money and some regulatory tinkering to the economic engine can repair. Meanwhile, the Republican right-wing sinks further into ludicrous irrelevancy, their jabs at Obama's "socialist" policies appearing increasingly grotesque and out of touch.
But since they've brought up the topic of socialism, why not talk about the real thing? The essence of the socialist idea is that the economy can and should be planned, both to make best use of resources and to serve not private profit but the majority's human needs. In other words, socialism represents the extension of democracy into the economy. In its absence we instead witness the current havoc wreaked on our economy by a relatively small number of super-rich, who use their economic and political power to twist the levers of the economy to serve their own narrow interests.
Some liberal economists such as Nobel Prize winner Paul Krugman have recently begun to sound the alarm on Obama's recovery plan. Expecting those who caused the crisis to solve the crisis just won't work, says Krugman, even if you reward them beyond their wildest dreams. Krugman favors more extensive measures such as nationalizing the largest banks. Still, his perspective is limited. In the long run he'd like to keep the banks in private hands. Bank nationalization should be just a temporary solution.
Why? Why, indeed, should private ownership of major economic institutions be considered sacrosanct, especially when those who've had their chance to run things have instead run things into the ground? In a rational society the banking system would exist as an arm of the public good, a regulated system subject to democratic management. It might be even easier to grasp the capitalist folly in health care. We need private health insurance companies as much we need private fire departments that serve only their own paid-up enrollees.
Is this just inflated left-wing rhetoric? Then ask yourself how democratic it is for the richest 1 percent of Americans to own 43 percent of all stock? Or for this same 1 percent to account for 33 percent of total household wealth, according to the Federal Reserve Bulletin? Is it far-fetched to suggest that class inequality and economic insecurity are permanent hallmarks of life under capitalism?
If the economic crisis is the result of bipartisan policy, it's solution now lies in mass partisan action by an organized public. All the hopeful chatter from the Wall Street types in the Treasury Department who now command the President's ear will only go so far. A mobilized, grass-roots labor movement fighting for the right to organize the unorganized and for more jobs and better working conditions and economic relief for distressed homeowners would do far more to move the country forward to the better future we all deserve.
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Show AllObama's just another piece of Zionist shit seeking to please his International psychopath, parasitic, Capitalist masters in their quest to own the world. Enslaving ALL humanity in wage slavery to rule over or dispense with them according to their own perverse whims.
It'll not change, until the working-class in the developed parts of the world awake and abolish the damned Capitalist system of private property, money profits through exploiting wage-slavery. Only by democratically eliminating the Capitalist's power base through a mass movement without leaders. Can we workers set the non-violent revolutionary stage.
To establish democratic COMMON OWNERSHIP and a free, production for USE economy to satisfy all humanity's needs, worldwide we have to vote for Socialist Parties, not for Democrats and Republicans
It's hard being a progressive and not being enamored with Obama. You catch hell from the right-wingers AND the liberals.
"The only reason to be in politics is to be out there all alone and then be proven right." Edmund Muskie
"Ahh, another anarchist. Welcome to CD. I too, when I was younger, despaired of finding another group of anarchs to join with in activism and direct action. However, I realized that a group of anarchists would be sitting ducks for any statist goon squad.
"The best advice I could give you is to be an activist group of one, for now. I fight and do my own direct actions without telling a single soul. It's safer and you will make a difference, even if it appears to be a small one.
Also, talk to the people. You don't need a podium to touch hearts and minds. Just a will to tell the straight truth and help others see what's happened to them and their world. If you do this, I can guarantee you that you will be vastly more effective than our statist lefty counterparts with their protests and petitions.
Give it a go. You'll attract to you a small (very small) core group of people who think as you do and you'll create that group you're looking for. I promise. Good luck and never surrender."
Great post Black Anarch. That's what I've been doing. I think I work better as a lone wolf. I campaign for what I want on a one-on-one face-to-face basis. You're right in that it's safer. I tried attending protests and certainly felt like a "sitting duck."
To be truthful, I'm not sure if I am an anarchist. still finding myself in that regard. I know what I want to have happen. I know what things I want to be done. I don't mind being called a socialist. People could call me that I suppose. But more and more, I do find myself identifying with you folks.
In giving a financial grant, the purpose is to make sure that the economy is stimulated directly by the consumer, not a third party such as a bank or finance company. Who needs a middleman and their expenses? If you didn't want a car, then maybe something else, but the terms of the grant need to include purchases so others can go back to work.
If the money is used by consumers directly, then there is no need to bailout the banks or insurance companies that got us into this mess. . .I don't want my money used for bonsas or excessive salary for the already too wealthy; and I don't want to fund private health insurance companies, who make their money denying care to their policyholders.
A direct grant to the citizen consumers who actually be used for something other than a slush fund to prop up failing institutions. The car companies are suffering mostly because of the credit crunch.
Looking at the frequency of comments by certain parties on websites, I think serious efforts should be made to limit commentaries by individuals on an issue. The topic is worthy of comment, but the adolescent back and forth by people with too much time on their hands is a turn off. One additional point, it is clear when listening to these arguments about Republicans and Democrats, socialism and capitalism, that they are barriers to rational discussion. They are the format for every "news" show in the media, and really produce very little.
Herman Schmidt
But maybe some of those with too much time on their hands are actually working.
I understand socialism and capitalism as the two extremes of a continuous scale, all countries are somewhere in between and thus "mixed-economies."
As we convince more working-class republicans to vote democratic we get more Kuciniches and Franks into the congress and rebuild the public sector.
If that can work there would be no need for violent revolution or third parties.
It is high time for socialism... America is now a nation that cannot bear the responsibility of freedom. The education system has been grooming a population infatuated with sports, greed, Hollywood gossip, the latest styles & fashions (to name a few) Principle is dead and the exaltation of "feeling" allows an uninformed population..to do just that...."feel" good. When was it you last had an intelligent conversation with someone ? Children that do not understand the separation of powers...leaders that do not & will not and when they do... find a way to usurp them. Democracy is nothing other than "mob rules"...the majority WINS...! The minority suffers defeat and attendant consequences. As it stands now whoever is in power..rubs it in the face of those who are not until it reaches the point of extreme distaste... Then the other party is elected and pursues the agenda from their perspective "...and so it goes..." A nation of sheep...Ruled by wolves...Owned by pigs. As a child the thought of the tree of freedom girdled and dead never entered my mind... Today the green that remains is but a passing age`s adieu... soon to turn brown...They will blow away with the winds of time, bare branches attesting to a glory departed... Heart rot ate out the core and nobody cared...
The labor movement although important is not the answer either. The answer lies in downsizing our lifestyles and learning to exist within sustainable limits. That reality is being imposed upon us now and will be increasingly felt by almost everyone over the next two years.
Agreed. The fact is that if we don't seek a lower but, more sustainable level of living, we'll all soon be equal in scarcity of any resource to live upon. Equality or dynamic equilibrium is a natural law, that we ignore at our peril.
I keep reading about socialism but everyone has a different idea about what it means. What if we consider real equality--everyone contributing to production as far as they are able, and everyone taking their equal share of the products. Egalitarianism seems great until we come down to cases. Usually people rationalize by thinking: I am entitled to more than you because I am more important, or I contribute more than you, or I am smarter than you.
It seems to me that civilization consists of humans getting together for their mutual support--all people--not just an elite. There will always be a mix of people producing what we need and want. Some of us contribute more than others, but surely we are not going to cut off support for those who cannot contribute. I believe absolute equality would make sense. Then, everyone would be on the same side; we would all be working to the same end.
Socialism is the ultimate stage in economic development. However, you must go through industrialisation before you can attain socialism.
Capitalism and communism are ways to organize agriculture, trade, and finally industrialisation to achieve scoialism.
Unfortunately, both can go off track and produce different variations of fascism.
Most socialist countries in Europe have an industrial base to support socialism. Tax policies and social safety nets exist for the public good.
In the US, there has been a consistent tax policy to help the rich. Safety nets are sacrificed to tax policy.
Unfortunately, we no longer have the industrial capcity to support socialism.
Tax policy has diverted accumulated wealth to the rich, who have take it offshore.
We have not only blown our surpluses...we have blown future surpluses needed to revive industrialisation and production.
Well, at least we have the military to steal the wealth of the world.
If we can't produce it, we can steal it - at the point of a gun
"I believe absolute equality would make sense."
I cannot go that far. Human behavior is determined by positive feedback loops that depend on receiving reward for effort. If you cut off positive feedback from behavior, then the motivation for that behavior wanes and even disappears. If everyone receives equal pay no matter what they do, there will be no connection between behavior and reward and people will lose the motivation to do the unpleasant jobs that need to be done. Furthermore, some of those who receive equal pay for little or no effort will then put their energies into behavior that will be rewarded, such as learning how to manipulate others to improve social status or to obtain other benefits (e.g., while I am working my tail off to benefit the community, my neighbor might be working on seducing my wife, and receiving the same pay for it!).
Roughly, there must be different pay for different effort and quality of contribution, though it should be limited, as in the highest pay per hour should be some multiple, certainly less than ten and maybe less than five, of the lowest pay per hour. And those with disabilities of various kinds should get extra credit and there should be a complete social safety net for all. And all income must be derived from labor, as no one should be able to earn any income simply by virtue of owning property.
kivals, we are not puppets that require reward for everything we do. We can choose to delay or even forgo gratification. I noticed that you intimated that equality would remove incentive to do anything unpleasant. Once, there was an old guy, Lao Tzu, that believed that inequality creates more inequality. In other words, unless we all have the same, those who have more will be driven to take and take until they have it all and others have nothing. Or hasn't Capitalism proven that to devastating effect?
Also, isn't a safer, more secure and cleaner environment a reward? Isn't the reduction in alienation and the joining together of former adversaries under Capitalism a reward? I would work 12 hours every day with no problem to help those who cannot. That they are equal to me, no matter in scarcity or abundance, is a great reward. That I don't have to worry about trying to make sure that I get more to prevent the Jones' from doing better than me is a pretty good goddamn reward. There is something to be said for all of us just having enough.
Even if you were right that motivation is lost when there is no 'positive' feedback, why would you want everyone to want to be willing to do 'unpleasant' jobs? Positive feedback increases the original motivation toward infinity and is just as much out of wack when used to motivate people to do good work as it is in motivating them to do unpleasant work. The 'protestant work ethic' has done a great job of conditioning us to believe that leisure, while someone one else works, is a sin and idleness is a crime. Why not automate as much 'unpleasant' work as possible and eliminate the need for anyone to do it?
In our own bodies, every system works on a negative feedback loop, not positive feedback. Our bodies maintain a balance, neither too much alkaline or acid, neither too much or too little glucose. That same balance would obtain in a equalitarian social structure. In other words, equality is social homeostasis, neither positively amplified toward the negative or the positive. I see this as much more sustainable than allowing for so-called reward at the cost of someone else having less.
You also have to answer the question of where this additional reward is supposed to come from. In a finite system of 'resources', equality means that whether there is abundance or scarcity, we all have the same amount of it. So, who is supposed to do without in order to reward someone else's extra and probably unnecessary efforts? Who are the people we can trust to make that distinction or qualification? This is my issue with governments as a whole. We are who we are and no person can ever be trusted with power over others. Equality will save us all, not equality with some being more equal than others. Hopefully, one day, we'll learn that.
What you suggest may not be a perfect world, but it's a damn sight better than anything I've seen or heard about, lately. If someone wants to run for office on that ticket, I'll work for that person's campaign.
By the way, kivals, are you from this country? Hell, are you from this planet? You certainly don't sound like the greed worshipers I see every day. And I live in rural Maine.
We pray at the alter of money and the pursuit of money and consumption. This is our religion now.
The right wing seem to love cops and soldiers- they're socialist institutions aren't they?
I think there's a major communication breakdown between left and right; fueled by rich elites. If we can improve our arguments we can convince working class republicans to defect.
Sure you can own you're own business...excuse me while I start a new health insurance company...
Good article! But I want to take issue with the health care analogy. There's nothing wrong with a "private fire department" if it's nonprofit and functions like a co-op. The problem is with a fire department or a health care system that's for-profit and owned by greedy shareholders. Then it's motivated to minimize the service and maximize the profits.
Some non-profit health groups (Group Health Cooperative of Puget Sound comes to mind) make a lot of sense. "Private membership" is not the problem. Of course, when we are working for nationwide reform this year, we need a national health system like single-payer that extends membership to everybody regardless of ability to pay.
"The essence of the socialist idea is that the economy can and should be planned, both to make best use of resources and to serve not private profit but the majority's human needs. In other words, socialism represents the extension of democracy into the economy."
Hear Hear!
Anyone who activly seeks public office should be immediately barred from holding office. They are either an ideologue, or just plain hungry to feed at the public trough. You are not getting the "best and the brightest", just the greedy and the power hungry..why else would someone spend millions of dollars to get a position that only pays $100,000 a year?
I think public office should be awarded like jury duty...or maybe a lottery. Really, anyone would do to fill the seats, hear the advice, and vote on the outcomes.
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
Re mujeriego April 28th, 2009 4:19 pm, who says
"I think public office should be awarded like jury duty...or maybe a lottery."
After GWB proved conclusively that any idiot can be president, this idea might gain traction. The problem with it, as with term limits, is the learning curve; just when you've gotten the job sort of figured out, it'd be time to move over and make room for your successor.
Who will show you the ropes? Wouldn't there have to be staffers, and civil service workers with tenure, whose job it would be to keep the machinery running while the elected place-holders get up to speed? Wouldn't it eventually be they who hold actual power?
And if so, wouldn't the corrupting influences that attend power like remoras shadowing a shark simply change their targets?
Something to think about in this age of revolving-door lobbyists...but I share your obvious and sensible mistrust of anyone who seeks power.
One of the worst things any government can do is change the leader on any kind of a regular basis, and when that is done it means that being the leader really doesn't mean very much. It takes a continuity of vision to govern a nation properly and if the term of leader is less than the time it takes to get a university education then, obviously, someone in the background is always going to be able to manipulate the agenda.
When Rafael Correa first became president of Ecuador he had to go into the playoff election round because he didn't have enough votes to win by the minimum needed for a first round win. On Sunday he won his second term by more than fifty percent of the vote so that he doesn't need to worry about a second round this time. Mr. Correa is openly socialist, Ecuador is a pending member of ALBA and President Correa is a highly visible companero of Hugo Chavez.
Socialism, no matter what non-stick stigma is applied to it by the repugs and their ilk, is clearly on a steep increase. The socialist countries have their own organizations and they do a large measure of trade among themselves as part of their solidarity commitments. Increasingly, the capitalist countries are being left out of a homologous market that grows rectilinearly with the growth of Socialism. Since most of these countries were former resource banks for the capitalists, then the capitalists are not only losing markets but are also losing the leverage they once had over raw materials. Corresponding with such weakening of the capitalist position, is the raising of the awareness of all peoples that capitalism does not work for anyone except the criminal mafia which runs it.
Whether the U.s. goes socialist in conjunction with the historic tide or hangs on to capitalism until it is a non-profitable relic is not going to affect Socialism as an ideology. Socialism is secure in situ and in history.
Supposedly, in the wake of Icelands little failed experiment with neolioberalism, they have also elected an openly-socialist majority in their parliament - and they are not afraid to call themselves that either. Good for them!
Hopefully Ireland will be next. When is their next elections?
I would suggest that the most successful socio-economic model is what you have in the Scandinavian countries. Their model is a mixture of controlled/regulated capitalism while providing “free” (included in taxes) benefits such as health care and education to all its citizens. These are democratic countries with multiple parties that have the highest standard of living more evenly divided than any other country in the world. It is a model well worth studying since our predatory capitalistic model is clearly not working for a very large segment of our population.
Hear! Hear!
But the US doctrine (or is it dogma?) of exceptionalism dictates that the USA must NEVER, EVER copy any other country's successful examples. "Anything a "foreign country" does can't possibly be as good as here"; "America is the freeest and bestest place in the world"...etc...etc.. ad nuaseum.
The US refuses to even adopt the measurement system the entire rest of the world uses... So, the USA is going to only continue it's decline while it refuses to adopt anything another nation does, no matter how successful and applicable.
You know why US-rulers hate socialism and bolivarianism? Because any social-reformist, even capitalist-statist doctrine is a threat to the zionist owners of USA (Rockefellers, Rothschilds, CIA, Bilderbergs, drug-smuglers, the millionaires and the billionaires club, etc. etc)
That's why indeed, they deffend the capitalist-system with a passion, and hate socialism, social-democracy and state-capitalism with a passion.
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This is one reason the US so strenously tries to defeat Socialsm before it can get off the ground here in North And South America.
They can not RISK thouse countries succeeding. If a Scandanavian model Social democracy truly gets off the ground in Latin America it WILL spread and such Social democracies tend to evolve.
The day Americans visit Mexico or Cuba Venezuala or some other such nation when those nations HAVE evolved to the levels of a Norway, is the day those Americans will demand the same changes in the USA.
Thus the CIA and the Corporations and the Fascist in all but name government of the USA will do all in its power to continue to support coups, or to fund and train right wing terrorist groups at their School of the Americas,
HOW TO FIX AND SAVE USA FROM CAPITALIST-BARBARISM AND FROM SINKING LIKE THE TITANIC !! A STEP BY STEP THEORY AND PROGRAM ON HOW TO SAVE UNITED STATES
First of all: what people need in this country is to create a united-front composed of all the small socialist, leftist parties of this country (The Green Party, The Socialist Equality Party, The Democratic Socialists of USA, The Socialist Party of USA, The Revolutionary Communist Party of USA, The Workers World Party of USA, The Marxist-Leninist Party of USA, and other alternative socialist parties) which would be a real vehicle in which the masses, the majority of americans who are pissed off with the capitalist-system, would have an answer out of this mess. to caste their votes every 4 years.
However there is a catch-22 with a creation of a United-Socialist-Front composed of small socialist parties.
The catch-22 problem is that the USA corporate fascist system thru the media and its other evil things it has, will not let that united-front succeeding, The media apparatus would denounce it as a cult or an evil organization, and would spread dirty propaganda against it, just like it did and it has done many times against Ron Paul, Howard Dean and even against Obama.
Second: An educational-propaganda campaign
In order to create a united socialist party we would also need an educational campaign in order to spread socialism and marxism propaganda, information and knowledge to the masses about the evils of capitalism, fascism and imperialism and that the only solution for American citizens is socialism and marxism as the only real alternative which is participative democratic socialism. An educational program to debunk the taboos and myths created by right-wing libertarians and conspiracy theorists such as Jeff Rense, Alex Jones and other conspiracy free market libertarian lunatics against Marxism, and communism ideology.
I read the biography of Hugo Chavez and that's how he started his political program in order to change Venezuela. He first tried to wake up Venezuelan poors about the evils of neoliberalism, he talked about the importance of teaching the masses about capitalism vs. socialism. And then when Venezuelan's poors digested the ideology of socialism, Hugo Chavez and his political movement began a campaign in Venezuela as an electoral option in 1998.
And here in USA we gotta do the same thing that Chavez did, teach the US poor for some months or years what is capitalism and what is socialism before trying to do form any political party.
Almost nobody in USA have taught the masses the evils of neoliberalism, not even Kucinich, Ron Paul or any other candidate.
Ron Paul was one of the few candidates who talked about the US constitution and nobody listened to him, however his major flaw is that Ron Paul is not socialist or marxist. I don't know why if he is good intentioned as people say, he chosed the Libertarian free market ideology. If he is real smart, he should be a socialist and leftist, not a libertarian.
Because we all know that in history and present, countries with real bad economic problems and where its population is real poor, adopt state-capitalist policies or social-democrat leftist policies, but not libertarian free markets at all. In fact, when libertarianism free market is applied it increases poverty and destroys whole economies (Examples: Argentina)
So Ron Paul didn't teach the US population about the evils of capitalism, because of the fact that Ron Paul was a capitalist, not a real alternative for poor people.
Only socialist parties can be a real alternative for victims of the Bush-Obama 1.5 trillion dollars bailouts, but socialist parties don't have access to TV and the press in the USA and that's why most americans don't know the ideology of socialism,ge in TV.
So before marketing a United Socialist Front in USA as a third party alternative we need to spend some months or years trying to teach the poor people of America about the evils of capitalism and the wonders of a participative democratic socialist system, a people's system.
socialism is so good, that it is the only ideology in this country that proposes a minimum wage of 15 dollars an hour.
No other ideology proposes 15 dollars for minimum wage: Socialist Party USA program: 3. We call for a minimum wage of $15 per hour, indexed to the cost of living. 5. We call for all financial and insurance institutions to be socially owned and operated by a democratically-controlled national banking authority, which should include credit unions, mutual insurance cooperatives, and cooperative state banks. In the meantime, we call for re-regulation of the banking and insurance industries
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Mark Harris spoke of grass roots organizing for more jobs in his last sentence. I wonder how that would work? It sounds pivotal. But I'm unsure how many more jobs would be created w/o cutting the MIC budget by 3/4th's and nationalizing the 50 biggest corporations. Exxon First.
I sense possible resistance to this.
But many more jobs.
RT,
You have a good idea of the ills of our system and every CD reader by now should know the faults and crimes.
The hard part is winning a majority to get behind many improvements. That is my concern.
When you try to sell a solution to the public as a package guaranteed by the Far Left as real Socialism, Well Good luck! I think it has been tried so many times that the public is tired of the rhetoric and wants real improvements now not endless debates about ideology.
As long as we are talking about Socialism, I think it is something that intellectuals like to talk about but don't know how to get.
Why? Most people don't want to be lectured forever about isms, or debate the meaning of words. They want improvements and need them now.
We need a new approach to organize a majority and I don't think pushing Socialism will get us there. If we could see the 3rd parties unite on improvement, that is a start.
I agree with mostly everything you're saying, Jim. Sure we need to organize but until Dear Leader shows up let's build the grass-roots movement, which starts by giving the people a stake in the alternative economy, the alternative society. Let the people build it, by their lifestyle changes, which gives them a real stake to defend.
Maybe, but socialism should not a taboo subject either ...
We should be able to talk openly about progressive income taxes without dodging the fact that it's kind of socialist.
Entitlements shouldn't be a dirty word
etc.
One solution could be a mix of socialism and capitalism similar to social democracies in Europe.
The ones that work best are those were the will of the majority is the rule, not the will of special interests. Most of these either have binding referendums or their citizenship will rapidly take to the streets and force their reps to meet their demands, or both.
"If we put the implementation of socialism in the hands of the far left, the people will have meaninful occupations, knowing that their work is truly beneficial to the society, which many cannot say today."
Let's not go nuts. Ever been in a long line to deal with (socialist) government agencies while the employees do their nails or talk to their friends while you wait? Or been a cog in the (socialist) military machine? Or in the waiting room of a (socialist) public hospital's emergency room?
Do we want to substitute one dictatorship for another? I think the answer is whatever We the People decide direct democratically, not what some representative, socialist or capitalist, dictates
Wow, what stereotypes ezeflyer brings up regarding socialist entities. Ever been to Capitalist Paradise Mexico? Where of course all is perfect. Where if you are in prison or hospital, you better have relatives to bring in good food and clean sheets. Where the banks have armed guards to prevent the police from robbing them. Where kidnapping is a major industry. Where the drug lords are better armed than the local governments. Where people have to flee their own nation to find work. Where the Mexican ex-president who signed the NAFTA with Bill Clinton is now a wanted fugitive from Mexican justice for his billion-dollar robbery of the nation, and his brother is in jail for political assassination. Poor Mexico is not alone in this typical pattern of unbridled oligarchal Capitalism. What Mexico needs is socialism, a reconstruction of society. But the oligarchs there, and here, and in the IMF, have prevented this.
And now for socialism in America. Ever turn on a water tap? Ever drive on a freeway? Ever have a letter delivered acrosss the country for a few cents? Ever have a free education? Ever been in a hospital that works? Ever turn on the light... and it comes on? Ever call for police, fire, ambulance and have them arrive in five minutes? For all its faults, ever feel the nation is undefended? Ever go to a national park? Ever collect Social Security or unemployment? (The old and unemployed used to just die off, and still do in most of the world - so much for that jackass 'christian' capitalist Huckabee). Then you have benefitted from socialism.
The long lines ezeflyer mentions are symptoms of the "starve the beast" strategy of Grover Norquist and his merry band of government hijackers. Don't provide enough support and funding, and people will feel socialist government doesn't work. Then, Grover's Grifters can take it private, charge the shit out of those who can pay, and let those who can't go to hell. Voila, no lines!
The posited question of substitution of one dictatorship for another is a False question. Your answer that 'we the people decide' in your context really sounds like 'me the people,' and anarchy, as no decision is made (see Congress and its impasses among only a few hundred people). This is the way the left is divided, and socialism is snuffed out.
Remember, Capitalists also claim 'the people' directly decide -with their spending patterns. Problem is, in the capitalism society, the more money, the more votes. As in the corporate world, the more shares the more votes. Hardly one person one vote.
Socialism is the way forward, a fully-funded closely-watched socialism, not dictatorship, not oligarchy, not anarchy. The capitalist oligarchs will fight this to the death with every lie they can muster. So it is no foregone conclusion nor a perfect solution, but merely the antidote to a sick sick world.
Aye, the unresponsiveness among state employees is one of the capitalist's favorite arguments. But if we ask the employees about their children and grandchildren they will be much more responsive. This explains the cohesiveness of small communities, even in the most conservative regions. It's much easier to be interested in people after we slough off the elite doctrine that instructs us to loathe our fellow human beings.
RE: But as long as we're shedding illusions...
Good article and many good posts. Another illusion that is crippling any chance of a progressive change is the idea of T.I.N.A. or "There Is No Alternative" (to Capitalism).
I have been in many conversations, even with friends, they'll agree with you on everything until you bring up the idea that the problems we face are systemic. It is easy to demonstrate how problems relating to the economy, health care, war, media etc. are interconnected and flow from Capitalism. At that point I lose them. "What are you saying, it's some kind of conspiracy?" they will ask me. "No" I say, exasperatedly, that is the nature of a system. It is not a few fat men smoking cigars in a dark room. Then, they ask mockingly, what is the alternative to Capitalism? I give them some examples (21st century socialism, Parecon etc.) but they dismiss them out of hand. They seem to think that Capitalism is somehow "natural". The massive problems we face are simply due to some greedy people. "It's human nature." They refuse to see that Capitalism is a system which rewards greed and our base human qualities. We never get close to trying to imagine a better system.
Many progressives are with you shoulder to shoulder until you question Capitalism. For these people, to challenge Capitalism seems no different than questioning the existence of God for true believers. We have an economic system where "nice guys finish last". Why can't we have a system where nice people succeed?
Punish our white-collar pirates!
"Why are you a pirate?" "That's where the money is," said the young Somali native.
"Why do you turn toxic sub-prime mortgages into AAA rated securities?" That's where the money is, answered the young Wall Streeter.
--From Dr Wu's latest book: "Your Pirates and Mine"
"What a fine mess you made, Mr. Banker."
The trouble with the large banks and with Goldman-Sachs in particular, is that it runs the government-as in, Government-Sachs. I, for one, would let G-S, BA, Citi go down the tubes and return government to the taxpayers.
It was not for nothing that President Eisenhower warned of the military industrial complex running the country. Turned out, it's true--now it's called the Wall Street/Pentagon complex.
Who is in charge of all of us? Why, none other than Larry Summers (Wall Street) and Robert Gates (Pentagon). The congress is all bought and paid for, the media is corporate run. Is there a way out of this fine mess?
Now we're finding out that banks and insurance companies can't get by without government help. They preach free markets but the practice state socialism. They demand government help when they fail and when they succeed they want all the profits. In a phrase, they socialize the losses and privatize the gains.
As, taxpayers, we lose any way you look at it. How stupid can we be the put up with this?
Is there a way out of the Wall Street-Geithner-Obama nexus? I'm afraid we're cooked. Finances replaced Manufacturing as the largest part of GDP (21% vs. 12%), our best and brightest minds make more money flipping papers on Wall Street than they do making planes in Seattle or cars in Detroit and the downward spiral continues--you cannot maintain a world class empire on computer clicks and paper flipping. Once you have finances dominating the economy, the country becomes slack with the easy ways of easy money. In this we're following the path of other empires that went down the tubes with finances--Spain, the Dutch and the Brits. They all survived the fall as second-tier powers. That's probably in the cards for us. Geithner may know people in powerful places but he can never bring back what made this country supreme: manufacturing
"...it's solution now lies in mass partisan action by an organized public."
And therein lies the base problem - organization requires a few, real leaders, of which the 'public' has not a one.
Why? Because anyone who tries to step up is instantly demonized and vilified - and not just by the government-corporate media complex, but by us liberals/progressives as well. Why would someone bother to take the reins when they know they'll be bashed 24/7 from both sides?
In the 60s, marches and sit-ins and protests and boycotts didn't just happen spontaneously - they were organized by leaders. Union protests and strikes - organized by leaders.
Either we find and rally around a few 'public' leaders, or we will remain nothing more than a powerless bunch of whiners...
Sioux Rose
Frank: Don't discount the influence of music in that time! The anti-war songs were everywhere, as were calls to social justice and loving others. Contrast that with today's music, most of it needing to pass snuff with idiot outfits like "Clear Channel" before being aired. There are far more channels on cable Tv, but as for their news, they all read the same scripts; and much programming is recycled. The fresh impassioned creative zeal of the 60's is either gone or engineered into other, as in what suits the elites who own the air and media wave channels. I think the Nixon cabal realized this about mainstream culture and that began the trend to implemenet think tanks and fund publications to manufacture consent where illusion alone couldn't cut it.
Have a look at the movie 'Berkeley in the 60s' - I think 'governor' Reagan was apart of that cabal!
Sioux Rose, there is much truth in what you say. Before I mailed off a dvd of a great documentary on Pete Seeger, sent to me by my son's Austrian wife for his birthday, that couldn't have directly from Amazon to Vienna, I previewed it. Music played a huge role in the civil rights and anti-war on Viet Nam in particular.
I recall as i sat working in a glove factory, listening to the great March on Washington in '63, hearing Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, Mahalia Jackson, and Peter, Paul, and Mary warming up the crowd. I witnessed in person, a 3 times bigger march against the war on VietNam in DC, 11/69. Exhilarating, inspiring march. Good speeches. And then, incredible music. In the absence of the one who'd have made a great speech, MLK, Pete Seeger and Dr. Spock co-emceed. (I recall the right wing vilifying Dr.Spock for promoting ideas that led to children not being spanked enough, and therefore daring to become spoiled protesters.) Pete was joined by Arlo Guthrie, Peter, Paul, and Mary, Flatt and Scruggs, James Taylor, 3 ensembles of Hair, & the guy, less than 3 months from Woodstock, Richie Havens stole the day, w/everyone in the below freezing temperatures jumping and clapping.
The protest music is out there today, just removed from mainstream. But, as the Grateful Dead sing in their beautiful, Shakedown Street, "You've just gotta poke around."
Great point, Frank!
As a young person who is trying to find an outlet to actually DO SOMETHING - instead of just venting on political forums - I can't seem to find an activist organization I want to join. I get so frustrated with the activist movements because they all are so divided. I only have so much time and energy and I don't want to waste it by joining an organization that is the equivalent of a flee on an elephant's back. Don't get me wrong... I commend and admire the people in small activists organizations standing up for their beliefs, but I would rather be part of a movement that was more akin to a tiger forcing the elephant to stand down or die. (Sorry for the half-assed analogy) I am perplexed as to why all of these different "leftist movements" (anti-war, anti-corporate, anti-capitalist, anti-free trade, anti-central banks, gay rights activists, etc.) can't find a common bond and join forces.
Are they not all revolting against the same powers structures, but just for different reasons? Why don't the leaders of these various different organizations get together to create a common bond and a common theory for revolting?
I sent an email to Cindy Sheehan last summer (I admire her courage as an anti-war activist) and in the email I asked the same question. Why can't all of the various anti-war movements join together as one organization? I figured her new found voice and national recognition may be a starting point and that maybe she could use this national recognition and influence to help organize all of the different anti-war movements into one movement. How much more powerful would that be? I never heard back from her (I figured she was too busy trying to beat the two-faced Pelosi in the last election.)
Anyway... hopefully some day in the near future somebody will arise to the occasion to create solidarity between the various different activists movements to create ONE MOVEMENT. If they can... my God, the powers to be will tremble with fear and then maybe We the People will be able to change the system.
I would advise you to find an organisation that closely models your own unique views, join it and try to mold it in your own image. If you wait to find a group that exactly mirrors your own views you will grow old and die without accomplishing much of anything.
Your complaint about time wasting seems a rather sad excuse for inaction, sorry to note. As has been noted, the left has always been fractious and contentious, as , in fact, has been the right. The right has managed to put aside differences for a brief enough time during the Bush 43 years, but that temporary peaceful coexistence shows cracks and signs of falling apart as well.
If you are serious about making a difference you must begin somewhere. Every political action you take will be a learning experience and the first group you join will not necessarily be your final stop. You will learn and then you will teach.
Red Rick says... "Your complaint about time wasting seems a rather sad excuse for inaction, sorry to note."
-- I understand how it is that you were able to jump to this conclusion about me -- that being you assumed something about somebody with almost no knowledge of said person. But your assumption is wrong. I have made steps in the past to join an activist group to pursue ACTION. I had one personal problem with it... let me explain.
I was first introduced to activism when I briefly lived in Boston for a semester of school. As a young adult still struggling to understand and learn politics I was blown away by all of the different activist groups out on the streets campaigning their agendas. I took the time to try and listen to them all... I went to a few Communist Party meetings, I checked out the LaRouche movement, a 9/11 truthers movement, and a few others. After these meetings I was hounded by a few different groups that I gave my info to -- more so by the LaRouche group. Anyway... to make a long story short, I decided that at the time I was too naive to jump into an activist organization. I was too susceptible to a sort of "brainwashing" because of my personal lack of understanding. After these experiences I knew that I needed to spend more time studying all of the different political philosophies to try and find one that 'mirrored my own view' and after that process I would become active and join that group.
Well, this past year I finally found the political theory that mirrors my own view -- anarchism. Anybody know of a good anarchy movement in Colorado making a difference????? Besides the making a difference, I would join one more for the study group experience.
Red Rick says... "If you are serious about making a difference you must begin somewhere. Every political action you take will be a learning experience and the first group you join will not necessarily be your final stop. You will learn and then you will teach."
-- I completely agree with and appreciate this bit of advice.
The more I see how divided the leftist movements are, the more that I think America is doomed! If the people who disagree with the SAME power structures, BUT FOR DIFFERENT REASONS, don't see the problem in being divided then we're simply gonna continue to be conquered and dominated by the powers that be. My life is ending one minute at a time and I don't see the value in joining a political activist group that is divided and powerless (regardless of the learning experience I may get) I simply just don't want to be a flea on an elephants back. Now, that doesn't go without saying that I could easily change my mind in the future if a unified movement started that went beyond petty differences.
Since I don't see personal value in political activism at this time because of the divisions, I have decided to find a way to make a difference in the world that has nothing to do with American political activism. My first step is a trip that I am planning this fall to go down to a South American country (which one is undecided, but I'm leaning towards a socialist one) to volunteer my service to the poor by either helping build something, educating or volunteering for a medical group (the goal and the date is set in stone, but the details are still working themselves out). I feel that this is the best thing I can do for the world at this moment. And, YES, I am aware that I could do this for the poor in the US as well... I am simply seeking to learn about new cultures as well as giving my service to the poor. Maybe some day in the future I may come back to the idea of joining a political activist movement, but probably not until I see more solidarity within the movements.
At any rate, thanks for your advice, Red Rick.
Take care.
Ahh, another anarchist. Welcome to CD. I too, when I was younger, despaired of finding another group of anarchs to join with in activism and direct action. However, I realized that a group of anarchists would be sitting ducks for any statist goon squad.
The best advice I could give you is to be an activist group of one, for now. I fight and do my own direct actions without telling a single soul. It's safer and you will make a difference, even if it appears to be a small one.
Also, talk to the people. You don't need a podium to touch hearts and minds. Just a will to tell the straight truth and help others see what's happened to them and their world. If you do this, I can guarantee you that you will be vastly more effective than our statist lefty counterparts with their protests and petitions.
Give it a go. You'll attract to you a small (very small) core group of people who think as you do and you'll create that group you're looking for. I promise. Good luck and never surrender.
Thanks for the welcome and thank you for the advice!
It wasn't until a few months ago that I began to dig deeper into anarchism. Right now, I am immersed in Kropotkin's stuff and also have Guerin's book No Gods, No Masters. I still have so much to read, learn and understand. I have only recently started talking about this philosophy to my friends. I think the biggest thing I am amazed about is that so few people know what anarchism is about. The majority of my friends that I have spoken about it with have responded with comments like, "Oh, are you gonna start wearing black and start protests or something?" I then tell them that that is not what anarchy is about and give them a brief summary of what it really is about. This is the part I love because, so far, all of them have left the conversation learning something new.
I haven't yet decided to talk about it with less known people because, quite frankly, I'm still a complete novice when it comes to my level of knowledge about it. And, given your new advice, I may just keep it to myself altogether and instead focus on finding creative ways to 'help others see what's happened to them and their world' using the knowledge gained from this incredible socio-economic-political theory.
Anyway... thanks again for the advice.
I have been a leftist closely following US political developments for over three decades and I believe the left is more divided now than ever, and the dream of solidarity grows more distant with each passing year. People can argue about how much the corporatists nurtured the divisions (I believe they made a large contribution), but in any event the divisions among the non-wealthy in general (potential leftists), as well as among people on the left, appear to keep getting worse. It is unfortunate that Perry was ridiculed so soundly from every corner for his demagoguery about secession the other day, as the best hope for the US left to gain power anywhere would probably come from a national partition of some sort.
Where is the evidence that Obama is leading?
Perhaps the criticism is due to his lack of leadership?
Part of the problem with Bush was the unwillingness of many to hold him to account until it was too late. How many more mediocre 100 days is it going to take?
"The essence of the socialist idea is that the economy can and should be planned, both to make best use of resources and to serve not private profit but the majority's human needs."
Right. Except if we left the implementation of socialism to the Demoks, they would maintain a socialist facade and under that class hierarchy as usual. The people would remain dumbed down, and dependent on elites who continue to control most of the production, rather through state enterprises, so Wallmart would still have low low prices strangling all the mom n pops, Hillary would still be on its board, Monosonto would still be strangling all the farmers, and the MIC would still be strangling the Middle East and Central Asia. Education, healthcare, transport, etc would remain the worst value in the industrialized world. Cuba would remain far ahead.
If we put the implementation of socialism in the hands of the far left, the people will have meaninful occupations, knowing that their work is truly beneficial to the society, which many cannot say today. The people will earn their living on 15 hour work weeks, and have 15 hours left for their civic duty, and ongoing education. The truth will prevail, high quality info, free. Healthcare value will triple. Transport value more than quadruple. MIC budget slashed by five. All production that was lost overseas we gain back, into the hands of the people. The banksters and Detroit shuttered and ownership of production distributed to ten man-power enterprises all over the country. Closed production cycles and full costs in retail prices. End of fossil consumption, advertising/marketing, and war.
del
Yep!
GwNorth___You are exactly right, helping out the big bankers is capitalism, not socialism, as so many are saying. This is the usual case, they just repeat what the political bigwigs keep putting out for their own gain. Too bad people cannot realize we do not want either one but a mix depending on conditions. We have to reverse the trend of taking from the middle class to make the rich richer or our country is doomed.
Harris said:
"It should be an ABC of economics that only industry, agriculture and their accompanying trade and services introduce real value into the economy."
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I understand the critique of the financial sector, but this idea is REALLY wrong and has dangerous consequences.
Just because a service is not a widget, is not edible or a not a machine does not make it valueless. Service outcomes are also folded in to organization and cultures allowing communities to reproduce themselves more efficiently and effectively.
Day care, family care, counseling, community planning, therapies etc. could eliminate the need for many products of today's industrial and agricultural sectors.
One definition of wealth is assets with the capacity to generate future streams of income. Knowledge, culture and organization are important assets that should not be ignored.
I think the writer is misconstruing my view. My main point is that in the last analysis value comes from production. But that does not mean that services not directly or immediately tied to production don't create social value. Of course they do. But isn't it because somewhere along the line they still have a relationship to society's production of commodities, even if it is just not a very direct connection? An obvious example: A truck driver does not directly produce a commodity, but he or she does contribute to a commodity being sold. Thus there is value that will eventually be realized in the service they provide. With aspects of culture the line connecting a service's value to economics becomes murkier, even less direct. But it seems to me that there must be traced back some relationship to production of commodities for real social value to exist.
Mark Harris, hello,
In your last sentence you spoke of a grass roots movement by labor, organizing for more jobs. This sounded pivotal, I wondered, did a sector or two of the economy sound particularly amenable to this to you? Agriculture? Large farms broken up and the land distributed to the poor a la Castro?
Or do you envision sectors of the economy more amenable to job-creation w/o threatening the system as the degree this would? (Totally)
Thank You for As Long As We're Talking About Socialism and your time, Joseph C.
I think the most beneficial sector of the economy for job creation would be in the power industry. There's already an electrical grid so it would be relatively easy to convert the roof of every home into a solar panel, making each home independent for their power needs and selling any excess over the grid while taking from the grid in any slow generation period. But then, while that would essentially be creating a new industry, it would be degrading the controlling power that the oligarchic class has over the populace.
Very good point. Thom Hartmann often makes the "manufacturing is the only value creator" point. I have zero economics knowledge...what constitutes "manufacturing"? For example, is software that runs hospitals something that's manufactured and therefore provides value? What about musicians "products" that get downloaded, or bought on CD?
'But as long as we're shedding illusions, what about also divesting ourselves of some equally archaic liberal notions? Most Democrats now assume that the economy will eventually right itself if only we somewhat re-regulate the financial sector, temporarily pump more public money into troubled companies, and provide market incentives to private capital.'
Yes, the USA's patriotic DP voting liberals always are looking for the Big Easy. Meanwhile there are billions around the world that have never had a capitalism that 'worked' for them.
Don't let that bother you liberals theoretically though. Capitalism and the US government are still God like for you guys, and it just needs some good liberal tinkering once again. ..lol.. NOT.
Socialism has nothing to do with turning over tax dollars to bankers and the wealthy.
Lenin would never have advocated bailing out bankers. Does Hucakbee have a clue? Lenin would have been taking the banks and bankers DOWN not propping them up.
The massive bail out of bankers and the wealthy elite can only hapen under Capitalism. That bailout IS Capitalism. The bailout is trying to preserve CAPITALISM.
I think the Bankers got Lenin into Russia and financed him.
Violent revolution and war is their business.
When I asked Gus Hall (a friend of my Dad) who funded the CP USA he said "the Rothschild Bank".
Only in your dreams. I'm sure you're quoting Adolf Hitler and not Gus Hall.
A rather pat answer from someone who really knew better I suspect:
http://www.knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclopedia/CPUSA/
Documentation released since 1991 from former Soviet states confirms [anti-Communist] suspicions that Soviet money continued to flow into the United States and buy influence within the CPUSA. Funding paid organizers, published newspapers and other Communist propaganda, and supported a variety of fraternal, educational and Union activities influenced by the CPUSA. Sometimes these funds were transferred as unspecified subsidies, but often they were earmarked by the Comintern for various uses. While the prominence and activity of the CPUSA was greatly reduced after the 1950's, the recently released documents evidence transfers of Soviet money as late as 1987. Records show Communist leader Gus Hall requesting two million for the publication of the Daily Worker and the rental fees for the CPUSA headquarters. A receipt of these funds by Gus Hall is also documented.
If you really want to "fix" the economics of the current crisis, then the money needs to go directly to the people who will actually use it to stimulate the economy. ie. Adults over the age of 45+.
1. Give every adult over 50 a cash grant [no taxes] of $750,000 with conditions. The conditions for the grant are:
2. You must be employed and agree to "retire" from working for at least 5 years, thus creating open positions which can then be filled from the already unemployed, younger than 45 yo.
3. Use at least 30% of the grant money to pay off your home or purchase a home already on the market. This would directly stave off foreclosure for a good number of people, thus keeping them in their homes as well as alleviating all the issues associated with foreclosure.
4. Spend between $20,000-30,000 on a new car, preferrably a hybrid vehicle; pay cash for the new car, thus stimulating the new green technology and providing jobs for the automotive industry, thereby saving jobs and the insueing crisis of massive job-loss to the affected communities. Since the car is purchased for cash, the bankers and other 3rd party financing arrangement, [which many cannot get presently and are the cause for the current crisis in the car building industry]will not have to "dirty" their hands with our loan request, which they aren't honoring anyway!
5. Allow all adults over 50+ the option of purchasing Medicare as their primary source of medical insurance. For those who want "private" insurance, they can go to the marketplace, including their employer and purchase the policy of their choice from the available options. Talk about competition!
6. Provide tax credits, over a 5 year period to time for improvements to private homes that are more energy efficient. These could include: new tankless water heaters, new roofs with energy efficiencies, solar panels, new energy efficient siding, etc.
Just think! We could avoid having to deal with the financiers and their selfish ways. We could avoid the aweful "NO" they enjoy giving to us. We could actually make efficient and useful purchases that would stimulate our economy to recover! We could then be in a position to force the banking and investment industry into making the changes needed that led to this aweful mess! But then again, I'm not sure that is what President Obama and Mr. Geithner really want-an efficient way to stimulate the economy and make the principles of this mess pay for their crimes against the country. Oh well, just a thought!
You would compel every USAn to buy a car?
What if we wish to live without a car? You might not beleive this, but there are places in the eastern US (and maybe San Francisco) where this is perfectly feasable, even the preferred way to live. In the occasional situations where a car is needed, you can rent or use a flex-car.
And, the manufacture of a car produces up to several years worth of greenhouse gases before it is driven it's first km. We need to shift our economy away from car manufacturing as much as possible.
No where di I say this. The suggestion had nothing to do with compelling everyone to buy a car.
The point being made is that if in a Capitlast market economy , we want to create a stimulus, It far better giving the money to the consumer then to the bankers.
I have stated many times my own beliefs on the "Consumer Economy" and capitalism.
But the idea itself, trickle up instead of trickle down, has much merit.
A suggestion Ford Motor Company made to the Canadian Government was "Instead of giving the AUTO Companies billions of dollars Give that money to the Consumer with the proviso they buy a new car with it".
This seems to make a heck of a lot more sense.
Just as taking the debt off the backs of Consumers rather then off backs makes more sense then buying up the toxic debt of banks.
"Basically, just more of the same Bush-era version of deregulated Reaganomics"
We see the right wingers have no ideas to fix their mess and only want to make it worst. During O'Bamba's presidential campaign, we on the far left were afraid that O'Bamba would only serve to save the right wingers from themselves. And this is exactly what's happening today. Had enough USans voted third party as we on the far left urged, one or both of two outcomes far better than this would have occurred: The third parties would have gained enough votes to force an awakening among both the people and the servants, and/or Demok incompetence would have helped McKane into the oval orifice to swiftly create the conditions for a long-overdue popular revolt. But we have O'Bamba voters to thank for nixing those possibilities and ensuring for us an ongoing painful future under elite oppression. Meanwhile, our very few third party votes are vindicated almost daily (for the past eight years and counting). We're going to stick with our far left platform and watch the Demoks flounder.
The article is generally pretty good, but quotes Walden Bello as saying "...The Wall Street collapse stems ultimately from the crisis of overproduction that has plagued global capitalism since the mid-seventies."
Actually, crises of overproduction have been recognized by critics of capitalism for much longer than that. Marx discussed this very problem, as did Hilferding & Rosa Luxemburg almost a century ago. More recently, Paul Sweezy analyzed it, in both "Monopoly Capital" (1964) and "The Theory of Capitalist Development," (1942) where he showed data to support his argument that a crisis of overproduction & underconsumption led to WWI.
http://www.marxists.org/archive/mandel/19xx/marx/ch09.htm
"Basically, just more of the same Bush-era version of deregulated Reaganomics"
We see the right wingers have no ideas to fix their mess and only want to make it worst. During O'Bamba's presidential campaign, we on the far left were afraid that O'Bamba would only serve to save the right wingers from themselves. And this is exactly what we see today. Had enough USans voted third party as we on the far left urged, one or both of two outcomes, far better than this, wold have occurred: The third parties would have gained enough votes to force an awakening among both the people and the servants, and/or Demok incompetence wold have helped McKane into the oval orifice to create the conditions for a long-overdue popular revolt. We have to thank O'Bamba voters for the long painful future ahead. We who voted third party are vindicated almost daily (for the past eight years and counting).
The problem with your far left 3rd party is the 3rd parties are not organized...they split votes between them which just makes each parties cause weaker.
You also can't get votes by hoping for the greater evil to get in so you think that your revolution can occur.
The only awakening you get from this failed strategy is the majority thinks anyone who wants to make things worse for a revolution is nuts.
Making things worst is not the intended outcome of the third party vote. The intended outcome is the third party voter's peace of mind, which elite voters ought to consider acquiring for themselves, by voting third party.
Intentions are not good enough.
You said " Demok incompetence wold have helped McCain into the oval orifice to create the conditions for a long-overdue popular revolt."
This was said hundreds of times by those who wanted McCain to win and voted for a third party.
"voting 3rd party"... which one? You can't vote for them all.
You talk like there is a thing called "3rd Party" on the ballot.
Sure you get peace of mind, because you know you can't win and don't have to answer for any screwups.
But your peace of mind is so far the best reason I have heard yet but I could get that by staying away from the voting both also.
Yes the ambiguity of "3rd party" is ok as long as we're stealing votes from the two-headed dragon puppet. If we thought 3rd party was great eight years ago, just look at it shine today. I think time is on the side of the 3rd party.
Time is on the side of Ambiguity?
The planet and it's people are in trouble now, but maybe you can convince the world that if you steal a few votes for a party that does not even exist that time is on their side.
If you are interested:
Thoughts of the Father of the two party system, James Madison, as well as some excellent analysis. By the by, Madison stated, late in life, that he had begun to have serious reservations about having only two parties in governance.
http://schofield.wustl.edu/5.KernellMadison2003.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-party_system
# In The Federalist No. 10, James Madison decried the liability of representative legislatures to be controlled by single factions holding a majority of the seats. Madison argues that because getting rid of factions is nearly impossible and leads to highly undesirable side-effects, ensuring that all factions are represented reduces the likelihood that any one faction will control all of the seats and institute any and all changes they desire, thus preventing majority tyranny.[1] A two-party system often leads to one faction winning a majority of the seats and governing without compromise.[2] A multi-party system or proportional non-partisan system could be more consensus-based, allowing for laws to be passed less hastily and with more sincere debate on the issues.[3]
Our Constitution is modeled on the "winner take all" approach of the British Constitution, another country saddled with a two-party system that obstructs the public to protect the interests of the aristocracy. If there are to be more than two parties in our country, we will first have to modify the Constitution to that of a representative parliamentarian system.
So, a working-class homeowners, who risked their their money in buying a house that was, perfently safe rapidly appreciating investment that they could always re-sell for a profit is a "loser".
Meanwhile, a suit-wearing bond trader invesring other people's money in ridiculously risky investment deliberately arcane schemes is somehow admirable and deserves our support.
The financial sector's return on political investment is stunning. That's how it fleeces the rest of us, that's how it controls Congress and stays in power. We have to change the politics to change the economy. When will we all collectively suffer enough abuse to realize this--and change our profoundly corrupt government personnel, policies and institutions that have brought us so much pain and only plan to dish out more.
It seems that the finance sector DOES create something of value in an economy and that is the 'proper' deciding of what gets made. In a capitalist economy, the finance sector basically runs the open markets by which 'votes' are cast by wealth-holders about which investments will pay off.
What we've lost is the idea that, except for some government regulation and oversight, these markets should pretty much run themselves.
The goal of the finance sector has morphed into one of offering 'alternatives' to the markets, and in a society of open capitalism, this can only mean one thing: the alternative of making a higher short term profit by access to information that isn't divulged on the open market: the alternative of 'insider trading'. For example, the insider trading in derivatives is the trading in securitized debts that the insider realizes are worthless, but which isn't divulged in any 'open market' until the insider has gotten out with his cash.
And how does it profit the finance sector to offer these investment alternatives to the open market that basically are predatory on the society at large? Well, it gets higher fees. In a macro-economic sense, the entire economy adds value by making things, and the finance sector adds value by making decisions about what things get made. The fact that OUR finance sector said, over the last 30 years, 'I think we should make a bigger FINANCE SECTOR' is a reflection NOT of open-market capitalism, but of monopolization of investment information, the gaming of a unique role in the overall economy for personal gain. And sadly, its not like it hasn't happened before...
We need to get back to well-regulated, government-enforced OPEN markets, where investment decisions are made on an open, level playing field ('level' w.r.t. information), and get away from the back-room, hedge-fund, under-the-table deals that will ALWAYS be preferred by an unregulated finance sector (because how else would they make money, as the open-markets pretty much run themselves).
As Krugman said, the finance sector USED to be pretty mundane, low profit, storing of value and advice on investment. If you let it game the system by gov't not watching, its going to find one investment whose value is preeminent among all others: the FINANCE SECTOR. And thats not corruption, necessarily, thats human nature.
"What we've lost is the idea that, except for some government regulation and oversight, these markets should pretty much run themselves."
These markets should be driven by the demands of the people in the better interests of the society.
Yes We need to find a way to organize the public out of the winner take all dem/repub system.
One big problem now preventing this is how the isms (even though there is no pure system in the world and all systems are mixed) represent the political fight now as ever before and will be centered around this demonizing of the systems or isms and they are just words... they don't exist in the real world but only as a football to kick.
The right will blame everything that goes wrong with Obama's plan on Socialism, and the Dems will say "We are not Socialists". Since all the politicians are millionaires, this is probably accurate.
The word "Left" is demonized by the dictionary as this is an old strategy of control by the ruling class by definitions of the obvious and old clash of social interests.
Maybe we can find a way around and through the problem, but I suspect that as soon as we quit using the words Socialism and Capitalism as the means to getting out of this hole, the sooner we will find a new way forward where people will say "now that makes sense". A sensible appeal for a planned economy where it needs to be planned for the common good.
a common good system and let the opposition call it socialism because that is what they will call it, I guarantee it.
The problem with organizing around any old ism is that they are just words used to keep you down.
Hell, let's go with "Americanism" that sounds like a good -ism!
Stands for the right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, both Individual and Communal. or some such
I would agree with you, but a lot of pushing a program forward is rhetoric, and part of this rhetoric is reclaiming the meaning of words. Many gays I know have proudly reclaimed the word "queer".
Is the right "kept down" by the use of the word "capitalism" or "free enterprise"?
I see the rejection of the word "socialism" as the first step toward a democratic-party style sellout.
I don't see that gays have any more right to claim the word "queer" than they have to the word "gay." I wish we could reclaim both those words; I miss being able to use them without having people gasp and titter.
Rainborowe
I miss being able to use "titter" for the same reason.
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YOS--you just gave me a good, old, out loud belly laugh!
Rainborowe