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Obama and Liberals: A Counter-Productive Relationship
The New Republic's John Judis today has an excellent analysis of the politics behind the stimulus package -- one which applies equally to most other political controversies. Judis argues that the stimulus package ended up being far inferior to what it could have been and points to this reason why that happened:
But I think the main reason that Obama is having trouble is that there is not a popular left movement that is agitating for him to go well beyond where he would even ideally like to go. Sure, there are leftwing intellectuals like Paul Krugman who are beating the drums for nationalizing the banks and for a $1 trillion-plus stimulus. But I am not referring to intellectuals, but to movements that stir up trouble among voters and get people really angry. Instead, what exists of a popular left is either incapable of action or in Obama's pocket. . . .
A member of one liberal group, Campaign for America's Future, pronounced the stimulus bill "a darn good first step." MoveOn -- as far as I can tell -- has attacked conservative Republicans for opposing the bill, while lamely urging Democrats to back it. Of course, all these groups may have thought the stimulus bill and the bailout were ideal, but I doubt it. I bet they had the same criticisms of these measures that Krugman or The American Prospect's Ezra Klein or my own colleagues had, but they made the mistake that political groups often make: subordinating their concern about issues to their support for the party and its leading politician.
By extremely stark contrast, Paul Krugman today explains why Republicans are so unified in their opposition to this bill and their willingness to uphold the principles of their supporters:
One might have expected Republicans to act at least slightly chastened in these early days of the Obama administration, given both their drubbing in the last two elections and the economic debacle of the past eight years. But it's now clear that the party's commitment to deep voodoo - enforced, in part, by pressure groups that stand ready to run primary challengers against heretics - is as strong as ever.
[Though I agree with Krugman's principal point here, I dislike his use of the word "heretics" here. It invokes one of the worst myths in our political discourse: the idea that there's something wrong, intolerant or "Stalinist" about pressuring or even campaigning against incumbents "from one's own party" who advocate positions that you think are bad and wrong. That activity happens to be the essence of democracy, and we need more, not less, of it. If anything is Stalinist, it's the sky-high incumbent re-election rates and the sense of entitlement in our political class that incumbents should not ever face primary challenges even if they support policies which the base of the party reviles. Why shouldn't GOP voters who love tax cuts and hate government domestic spending, regardless of whether they're right or wrong, demand that their elected representatives support those views (in exactly the same way that Democratic incumbents who supported the Iraq war and/or Bush's lawless surveillance state should have been targeted for defeat)?]
But Krugman's larger point is correct: Republican groups demand from politicians support for their beliefs. By contrast, as Judis describes, Democratic groups -- including (perhaps especially) liberal activist groups -- now (with some exceptions) lend their allegiance to the party and its leader regardless of how faithful the party leadership is to their beliefs. That disparity means that there is often great popular agitation and political pressure exerted from the Right, but almost none from the Left (I'm using the terms "Left" and "Right" here in their conventional sense: "Right" being the core of the GOP and "Left" being those who most consistently and vigorously opposed Bush's foreign and domestic policies).
During the 2008 election, Obama co-opted huge portions of the Left and its infrastructure so that their allegiance became devoted to him and not to any ideas. Many online political and "news" outlets -- including some liberal political blogs -- discovered that the most reliable way to massively increase traffic was to capitalize on the pro-Obama fervor by turning themselves into pro-Obama cheerleading squads. Grass-roots activist groups watched their dues-paying membership rolls explode the more they tapped into that same sentiment and turned themselves into Obama-supporting appendages. Even labor unions and long-standing Beltway advocacy groups reaped substantial benefits by identifying themselves as loyal foot soldiers in the Obama movement.
The major problem now is that these entities -- the ones that ought to be applying pressure on Obama from the Left and opposing him when he moves too far Right -- are now completely boxed in. They've lost -- or, more accurately, voluntarily relinquished -- their independence. They know that criticizing -- let alone opposing -- Obama will mean that all those new readers they won last year will leave; that all those new dues-paying members will go join some other, more Obama-supportive organization; that they will prompt intense backlash and anger among the very people -- their members, supporters and readers -- on whom they have come to rely as the source of their support, strength, and numbers.
As a result, there is very little political or media structure to Obama's Left that can or will criticize him, even when he moves far to what the Beltway calls the "center" or even the Right (i.e., when he adopts large chunks of the GOP position). That situation is extremely bad -- both for the Left and for Obama. It makes impossible what very well might be the apocryphal though still illuminating FDR anecdote:
FDR was, of course, a consummate political leader. In one situation, a group came to him urging specific actions in support of a cause in which they deeply believed. He replied: "I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it."
As Judis points out, Obama, on some issues, might move to the Right because he wants to. In other cases, he will do so because he perceives that he has to, because the combination of the GOP/Blue-Dog-following-caucus/Beltway-media-mob might force him to. Regardless of Obama's motives, the lack of a meaningful, potent movement on the Left to oppose that behavior ensures that it will continue without any resistance. The lack of any independent political pressure from the Left ensures that Obama will be either content to ignore their views or will be forced to do so even when he doesn't want to.
Prioritizing political allegiance to their leader was exactly the mistake the Right made for the first several years of the Bush presidency. Even Bill Kristol admitted in The New York Times: "Bush was the movement and the cause." An entire creepy cottage industry arose on the Right devoted to venerating George W. Bush. And it wasn't until well into his second term, when his popularity had already collapsed, that they began opposing him in a few isolated cases when he deviated from their beliefs -- on immigration reform, the Harriet Miers nomination, Dubai ports, the TARP bailout and the like. But, by then, it was too late: Bush became synonymous with "conservatism" because the latter wasn't really about anything other than supporting the President no matter what he did. The ideological movement and their political leader had merged, and it was destructive for both of them.
Part of the political shrewdness of Obama has been that he's been able to actually convince huge numbers of liberals that it's a good thing when he ignores and even stomps on their political ideals, that it's something they should celebrate and even be grateful for. Hordes of Obama-loving liberals are still marching around paying homage to the empty mantras of "pragmatism" and "post-partisan harmony" -- the terms used to justify and even glorify Obama's repudiation of their own political values. Talk Left's Armando described the oddness of this mentality:
As I wrote earlier in a comment, "up yours" to the ACLU used to be known as "triangulation" when a certain William Jefferson Clinton did it. Today it is known as "11 dimensional chess." Another episode today demonstrates the transformation of "triangulation" into "11 dimensional chess:"
Sen. Tom Harkin, a liberal Democrat from Iowa, said fellow Democrats had surrendered too much in a bid to appease three moderate Republicans who can ensure passage in the Senate.
"I think our side gave in too much in order to appease a few people," he said in a hallway interview in the Capitol earlier on Wednesday. He said Democrats should have dared Republicans to filibuster and "see what the public outcry" would have been. "I think the people are getting shortchanged."
Imagine if Bill Clinton had capitulated like this to a Republican Congress in 1995? Or said "up yours" to the ACLU the way Obama did? Do you think the cries of "sellout" would be hard to find today? Me neither.
Political ideas and values that have no meaningful pressure being exerted on their behalf will always be those that are most ignored. That's just the most basic rule of politics. Last year, Accountability Now was created to provide exactly that pushback against political incumbents, and there will be a major announcement very soon along with its formal launch (an Executive Director has been hired and much of the infrastructre has been created and the groundwork laid). For the moment, on one issue after the next, one can vividly observe the harm that comes from a political faction being beholden to a leader rather than to any actual ideas or political principles.
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Show AllGreenwald's criticism is important because it puts together what many have been saying - that what US left there is has been absorbed into party support for Obama, and that meaningful pressure is not possible without militant left wing agitation.
However, although groups like Campaign for America's Future and MoveOn should demand left wing solutions - and attack Obama's right wing actions - this will not solve the problem: these groups are themselves not a left wing movement, but the left-liberal flank of the Democratics. Obama's campaign may have brought some demoralized and passive voters into the Democratic fold, but a mass, left wing movement of labor and poor people does not exist. The large sectors of the population that could conceivably form such a movement are not mobilized, but fragmented and passive.
Groups like ACORN - and certain militant service employee unions - could, imo, be thought of as representing a start of such a movement, and progressives - many of them from the Democratic left-liberal flank - would do well to work with such groups.
If militant poor and working groups were large enough, they could begin to influence greater politics: not only pressuring Democrats, but drawing other parts of the population - atomized, 'free floating' right wing voters - into the 'field' of their thinking.
I'd suggest to you that MoveOn, Acorn and the SEIU have little currency left (no pun intended) They have marginalized themselves through poor management, bad actions and selfish aims.
Campaign for America's Future is a different kettle of fish altogether, professional, reasonable and active for America's good.
I'm afraid liberals are going to be jumping ship by the droves if Obama keeps his present course. No agitation by the Left will make any difference if that happens.
Pax
This is why the Left needs to give 3rd parties a chance. Instead every election, even the populist progressives fall sucker to sellout Democrats all the while belittling good Democrats and Independents such as Kucinich, Solis, Cegalis (Obama worked to defeat her and put Tammy Duckworth, a rightwing Republican, in her place in 2006 during the primaries only to lose that seat to Hyde's GOP successor), Nader, Mckinney, Sheehan, etc ...
And why are we falling for another bill that's somewhat porky and yet stuffed with more tax breaks for the already well to do at a time when the national debt is over $10 trillion and counting?
I say that starting in 2010, replace both parties in Congress with as many Independents as possible. Don't let a corporatist whoopdee doo poll tell you that Incumbent yada-yada is unbeatable in this stauch red/blue district.
JWVerez
I got a call from one of my FAR right friends last night griping about the bill and he echoed your sentiments surprisingly. He felt as if we should vote against any incumbent no matter their party in 2010.
I still don't know for sure whats in the final bill, but I hope they have stripped out the Christmas Tree provisions.
The most amazing thing is that the media keep quoting Gallup polls that show 50+% favor this bill while all the reputable polls show the opposite. Hhuuuummmmm.....
"I got a call from one of my FAR right friends last night griping about the bill and he echoed your sentiments surprisingly. He felt as if we should vote against any incumbent no matter their party in 2010."
Thomas,I really don't like that idea. I am sure the right wingers you refer to would in that it would give them control of both Houses of Congress. At this time the majority of incumbents are Democrats. What your friends suggest would produce majorities of republicans. I expect to be making my first vote as a citizen in 2010 and I certainly won't be voting for republicans.
Of course the far left wingers might like that idea. Nothing they would enjoy more than to see this President fail.
Dante 12:06 What the far left would like is Obama to be his sales pitch. Progressive change. How can we support him when his policies and appointments are mainly right of center?
The so-called far left never supported this President to begin with.
True. Now don't stop where you have. Spell out the logical next step.
Professor.
I read and enjoy your comments to this site. Your question regarding any logical next steps I really don't understand within the context of my very brief remarks. I must here ask you to clarify. In other words I don't understand your question. (Or rather the implied question)
First of, you need to get off that silly fear that only the Republicans will destroy this country. The Democrats, even in their minority status days, always had plenty of votes to derail those crooks but all too often, they'd just sit there and hem and haw and play go-along-get-along and keep a bad status quo running. Don't get me wrong. There are a few really bold Democrats out there and even a rare few from the GOP who are pro-populist such as Ron Paul and I am grateful for those bravehearts from both parties even though it's sad to see Obama and the corrupt leaderships of both parties crush them. But voting for change only to get status quo isn't a good deal now is it? It's like paying for a brand new book only to get a damaged one.
JWVerez,
I agree with you in much of what you say. But first of all, I don't scare easily, perhaps that has something to do with my life experiences. Also, silly I am not. To me fear is always a total waste of energy. Many of my remarks regarding republicans are more tongue in cheek and not necessarily a reflection of how I react to the current political dynamic. But without the fear factor I can tell you that when narrow minded ideologues gain control of the public narrative and elect like minded representatives to the highest offices in the land they will indeed destroy anything that gets in their way. Including the country. This narrow minded culture of entitlement did not begin with George W Bush and I suspect it did not end with George W Bush. Nothing is more distasteful to me than the extreme right wing of the political spectrum which chose as its home in the United States, the Republican Party.
Everybody has some bold ideas. You mentioned Dr. Paul and I agree he certainly had the courage to express his beliefs at a time when much truth was being suppressed. Of course the last thing we would want is a libertarian government running the nation in the 21st century. I sure we agree on that.
The democrats were playing politics and doing nothing they thought would destroy their chances to increase their numbers in both houses of congress and to win the ultimate prize, The White House in 2008. The were successful in both but at what cost in lives and treasury? I am not overly pleased by the performance of the democrats leading up to the last general election but I will tell here and now, I am much more comfortable with the situation as it stands now than I ever was during the past eight years. Although sometimes I think when reading many of the comments here on CD that it was not George Bush running the country for the past eight years but Barach Obama.
You see I am not looking for perfection only stability and that is my hope for this administration. Stability. Actually that is my expectation for the next four years. I am not one of those who expects everything in twenty-five days. This is not Burgher King we are talking about but the United States of America. The food is served much slower here than at our local Burgher King. If this President can stabilize this country in four years I will consider him a very good President.
Dante
Pardon me for butting in....but....
"If this President can stabilize this country in four years I will consider him a very good President."
I'm afraid President Obama has staked his presidency on Pelosi's bill and he is going to own it if he signs it. The only reason for their haste in pushing this bill thru cannot be a good one. It looks as if its worse than we thought.
If thats the case he's got two years, because they just handed Congress back to the Republicans.
I wouldn't be so sure of that. But we will see. Doing nothing he loses. Doing something he loses. Exactly what does everyone want? Maybe he should have just cut everyone's taxes and let the almighty "free" market look after everything. After all the market knows best. Perhaps he should nationalize everything in sight. Exactly what is this guy supposed to do. Veto the bill? I don't know I give up.
The media has been doing an excellent job of casting the seeds of doubt. There seems to be a lot of folks out to get this guy.
"Doing something he loses."
Thats the whole problem...HE is not doing anything. This is first to last a Pelosi/Reid production. Thats the real problem, but perhaps I'm wrong because we haven't seen the final bill yet. It may not be the Christmas Tree my country fears.
Pushing this when there is no need, not allowing any time to study it or read it, let alone think about it usually means the bill can't stand the light of day.
"Pushing this when there is no need, not allowing any time to study it or read it, let alone think about it usually means the bill can't stand the light of day."
Yes I saw John Boehner putting on a great show holding the document in his hand. He seems to know what is in it and of course he is against it. He appears to have had plenty of time to read the bill. lol The media (US) seems to be continually telling us that the bill has 1071 pages. lol
I guess if the country is really not in a situation one would consider an emergency than it could be studied before passage. That would take............forever?? Then the President would be accused of not acting decisively. By who? The very opposition who today claim they did not have time to study the bill. Catch-22.
Dante
You old reasonable cuss! OK I'll wait to see what exactly is in it and when it is scheduled to come on line.
There is nothing urgent about this bill. Thats another thing that is bothering me. And forget the republican histrionics....same ole, same ole.
Just the same my nostrils are twiching!
"Just the same my nostrils are twiching!
Hold on tight Thomas. This is going to be the ride of a life time.
Thats what I'm afraid of!!
Dante....Yep!
But remember we are in Texas and most of our incumbents are Republican. Different context....JW is a Texan too. Guess I should have clarified that.
"Of course the far left wingers might like that idea. Nothing they would enjoy more than to see this President fail." so you think so too?
I hear you Thomas. My wife and I are in the same situation in Georgia. Our primary residence is in the fourth congressional district and is represented by Hank Johnson a republican. (met him .. a nice guy...He endorsed Barach Obama for President but........) In 2010 Johnny Isakson United States Senator (Republican) will be up for re-election. A reversal would certainly work for us living in this state. But.......there are too many other reversals that just would not turn our so well...lol (Government does require opposition it is just that I have this thing about having too many republicans running the country.) lol
"." so you think so too?
Absolutely.
Dante and Thomas,
Even though I live in the more liberal part of TX, El Paso, and am represented by Ciro who is so-so, we still got those two rotten senators to put up with. It's too bad that the TX Democrats don't appear to be coming up with anyone even remotely close to Ralph Yarborough. Maybe Lloyd Doggett can run for Senator since he's generally pretty cool.
But even if I were to live in, oh say San Francisco, I'd be saying the same thing. Pelosi and Feinstein are pro-war and pro-corporate and even Barbara Boxer is too much of a weak Democrat these days from what my friends out in CA tell me. And don't get me started with those two senators from NY. All this red vs blue crap has just got to stop.
JWVerez
Geezzzeee....I wouldn't trade our Republicans for Pelosi and Feinstein. Sorry excuses for legislators and its beginning to look like American in the case of Pelosi.
Kay Bailey is going to run for Gov. against "Good Hair" so there will be a chance there!
If there's one thing about incumbents, it's this. The longer they stay, the more corrupt and out of touch they generally get. So far, I have yet to see an actual exception to the rule. This is why we need to push for paying attention to local elections and putting forth those kinds of candidacies to Washington. And no, I do not want their pork either. It is NOT the job of a federally elected official to bring pork to their local constituencies. Give money to the state levels and states can give money to their local levels but this is where we need to draw the line.
As to the far right caller, I think that he has felt powerless to the point that he might as well be angry at anything his way and while that can be annoying, I do realize that I can't really blame such folks when there's no one or group to fill the void. This reminds me of the novel "White Fang" by Jack London where his wolf gets turned into a raging dog fighter but when his master finally rescues his life at that critical moment, he finds himself with the tougher task of bringing him back to his sane self.
A few days ago on Alternet.org , I found myself up against people in the forum who sounded no different from Rush Limbaugh in their staunch defense of Obama even when Obama's positions on most issues were clear that he doesn't intend to change much or even try pushing for a change for the better. This leaves me asking "and you call this liberal" ? One girl on that site called them Obamabots and she often takes pride that she voted for Nader 3 times in a row.
How 'bout Russ Feingold.
Him and Paul Wellstone are pretty cool for the most part.
Your point about third parties is subject to the same logic Greenwald applies to "the Left" and Obama:
If we want third parties to have a chance, the best chance is to build a strong independent movement that pressures WHOEVER is in office with real popular mobilization.
Starting now, get involved in grassroots organizing on issues with organizations that make demands and mobilize people. Replace the focus on "who should we vote for" with "what do we demand".
When ALL the political parties, first second or third, see actual popular mobilization, they will begin to react to the power they see mobilized.
And if our "third party" is not organizing for popular mobilization, but instead simply for electoral campaigns, then it will be lucky to receive an Obama-like moment, when the dysfunctional opposition bungles and drops an election opportunity into its lap (not that the Obama team didn't play their opportunity well). And if out third party wins election in that fashion, they will be ill-prepared to exercise meaningful power for genuine transformation.
Organize, mobilize, talk to your family and friends and neighbors, go to some grassroots organizing meetings in your town, try to find people who are organizing and mobilizing in ways that make sense to you, and be prepared to spend a good piece of your life energy doing this work.
No matter what the President does he cannot win. I have said this before and I feel I must repeat myself: If President Obama could walk on water his critics would say he does so because he cannot swim.
"I'm afraid liberals are going to be jumping ship by the droves if Obama keeps his present course. No agitation by the Left will make any difference if that happens."
That would be sad and to say the least self-destructive.
Just a few thoughts Thomas as I was reading the comments to this article. (Slightly out of context)
Dante
"That would be sad and to say the least self-destructive."
True, but not self destructive maybe. Obama has aparently let Pelosi define him and his policies. This very bad bill, unless something changes is hers, not his, her leadership (thers an oxymoron)not his
I just heard that instead of the vote being given 48 hours so everyone can read it before voting on it, Pelosi is now insisting it must be taken before she leaves the country on a junket. Sound policy that. Makes you sure they are being honest here.
Many voted for him based on what he said, he has not delivered. Every action to this point seems to be the opposite.
abranawicz: I agree heartily with the views expressed in this post. Any mobilization of protest from the left is going to have to come from just such organizations as ACORN and "militant labor groups" (like the California Nurses Association with its single payer orientation) etc. To see what ACORN is doing, see for example, the description on their website of foreclosure protests across the country. http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=12439&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=22516&tx_ttnews[backPid]=12387&cHash=9e75f03723 As the anger continues to rise across this country as more people are thrown out of their homes and more people lose health insurance coverage or are unable to pay the premiums on the coverage they do have, please don't underestimate the power of an aroused mass of people. Pots and pans brought down a government in Iceland, and they could at least move a corporacratic U.S. government a little leftward.
"like the California Nurses Association with its single payer orientation"
Indeed a very worthwhile group and honest.
I can not imagine that huge numbers of progressives are not thoroughly disappointed with Obama. A realization of this would allow the progressive organizations to move to the left with their supporters.
I am keeping with my mantra: "Obama is a shill of the plutocracy."
To many of us, this was and is clear. He has done nothing, nothing to change Mr. Bush's reign of terror on the constitution or the laws of this land.
The latest example, is the pathetic bailout bill. It is almost entirely devoted to bailing out the financial institutions which ought to go bankrupt, indeed, will eventually go bankrupt, but wasting trillions.
Mr. Obama is a fraud and ought to be removed from office with his entire right wing and Clinton cabinet.
And who do think would replace him? McCain/Palin?
You got it, Dante. That will be the result of the destructive cynicism of many on the Far Left advocate such as Mr. Douglas here. It is what put Bush in office. I'm totally with Glen, we need to be constructive and gather and focus our voice to effectively pressure Obama.
Congrats on being able to vote soon:)
Thank you Marco.
Your noting of the criticisms of "the far left" says more about you than about the very, very few on this site who might deserve that definition. What you deem as cynical, due in large part I might surmise by your blind faith in the cult of Obama and the democrats, might be deemed by a more impartial poster as a truthful appraisal of the situation.
The bailout just passed will certainly go the way of the TARP funding, it will disappear without a trace.The fact of the makeup of the Obama cabinet simply fails the smell test as did his increasingly rightward leaning campaign after the nomination was achieved, as did his rushing back to Washington in the midst of his campaign to assure the financial community of his loyalty and future obeisance.
You claim to be able to pressure our President, have you his private line? Have you his ear? If Obama stood up and remained firm in his supposed intention to rid that bill of pork, to ensure that the tax cuts went to the bottom half instead of the top half of our population he would have made you and I happier and he would also have lost his own party in the process. The Democrats were on the verge of revolt a very short time ago, thus the Obama cave in.....
Rehashing the tired and trite mantra that criticism of the Democrats, at any level, results in a Republican victory is an excuse for inaction and a betrayal of ones own duty to the nation. It always comes from democratic loyalists who are , in reality, a part of the problem. Dissent is as American as it gets and those who rail against it are ....NOT.
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so." Bertrand Russell
Red Rick,
I most certainly do not have blind faith in anyone or anything, let alone Obama and the Democrats.
As far as Obama's cabinet, how do you feel about his pick for Energy Sec?
It is seems to me that you are giving your sentiments away when you criticize Obama for the completely understandable desire of his to attend a meeting on the financial bailout. Being that he had a 50-50 shot at that time of being Pres, it seems pretty responsible of him to want to be there to monitor events. Unless of course you don't think the Recession is big deal.
As far as the STIM bills fate, I congratulate you on your psychic abilities. Your pessimistic certainty is a hallmark of the cynic. I will allow the STIM's fate to unveil itself.
The Far Right base is very successful at pressuring Republican politicians - and they don't have a private line.
"Rehashing the tired and trite mantra that criticism of the Democrats, at any level, results in a Republican victory is an excuse for inaction and a betrayal of ones own duty to the nation. It always comes from democratic loyalists who are , in reality, a part of the problem. Dissent is as American as it gets and those who rail against it are ....NOT."
Obviously you have completely missed the point of this article and my sentiments in agreement with it. We are by no means saying that we should fall in lock-step behind the Dems and support them uncritically against the Republicans. I'm not sure where you're getting that. We wholly support a robust dissent against Dems who support policies we disagree with. The difference we have with your camp is the approach taken. Dissent taking the form of supporting Third Party candidates is ineffective and disastrously counterproductive in our current political model. The Far Right base has been extremely effective in getting Republican politicians to bend to their political will, without having to resort to Right-Wing Third parties. Through their effective grassroots actions and media influence, they have moved the entire party strongly rightward - and the Dems too. We need to follow that model. Of course many Left wing cynics say that is impossible. We disagree.
This quote from FDR nicely summarizes our idea.
"I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it."
How do you feel about his pick for Defense? Or Commerce ( oh wait thats vacant again) or Treasury? Silly to point to one pick instead of analysing the trend.
Obama did a bit more than attend a meeting. That is your bias once again clouding your judgment. While McCain sat quietly in that meeting ( way over his head I guess) Obama blatantly pimped for the TARP funds immediate release, payback one might assume for that 700 million he collected, mostly from those very fellows who stood to benefit from the billions, over the previous two years.
The Far Right did not pressure the GOP, Rove used them blatantly and discarded them when he was done with them. I get the sad impression that you grasp at straws here and try desperately to distort fact to 'win' an argument
Your final paragraph seems little more than crocodile tears, insisting that you welcome criticisms and then bashing any and all such...Again you view the religious and the far right as wagging the dog when, in reality, they were simply used and discarded. They did not move this nation rightward, it has ALWAYS been such, excepting temporarily in times of great stress and great oratory by a leader.
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so." Bertrand Russell
Point taken about the general make up of Obama's cabinet.
As for the rest, you're showing your cynical stripes.
I'm waiting to see exactly what is in this bill and when it is scheduled to kick in, but I'm afraid it bears all the symptoms of a spending bill, not a jobs bill.
It does give every indication of following the Tarp bill to wherever its destination was.
Do you feel it doesn't?
Honestly, I'm no economics expert. But I do feel doing nothing except cutting taxes as many on the Far Right demand is a recipe for Great Depression II. The executive pay cap and other provisions will bring at least some accountability. I think Obama's effort at bipartisanship was a failure. The Republicans have demonstrated they are all for bipartisanship - as long as it is the other side that is giving everything.
As for the deeply flawed TARP bill, I feel that while it was flawed bigtime, it may have prevented a more severe drop in the economy by merely demonstrating that the government was not going to stand by and let the economy founder on its own. Perception is very important in economics and I think if Bush had done nothing, confidence and hence the economy, would have fallen even further.
Economics baffle me. I keep trying to get my head around it, but it seems that economics is based ultimately on the often irrational perceptions of others rather than hard logic. It confuses the hell out of me but I keep trying:)
If you can see optimism where I see cynicism then you are simply in need of less party loyalty and more individual and unbiased realism
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so." Bertrand Russell
Well Obama is hardly trying to walk on water, now is he, Dante?
It's yet another "well, duh" moment. Nevertheless, Mr. Greenwald has hit the proverbial nail on the head. Obama and like-minded Democrats will treat Republicans with deference and camaraderie while keeping their actual liberals like Kucinich out of the discussion. Republicans will reward this as they usually do: with ruthless opposition.
If you want to see centrist Dems really organize and get aggressive, tell them that Matt Gonzalez or Cindy Sheehan or Ralph Nader, etc. is nearby.
Yes, a mass movement is needed, one that embraces many partners in a coalition, and not, as another commondreams writer suggested a few days ago, one that can function only in the absence of third parties. I fear, though, that when such a movement might come to be, President Obama and nearly all of his party would still rather work with their ungrateful bipartisan buddies.
seriousprofessor February 13th, 2009 12:05 pm
"If you want to see centrist Dems really organize and get aggressive, tell them..."
Laugh.
I was thinking along similar lines. On the far-right there is always about 30% of the GOP that remains true to core principles----anti-abortion, small government and tax cuts. This group is rural, active and influential, and is driving the party leaders in congress to act as they do. But you look at the far-left and you see nothing like that. I'd guess that maybe there's 5% of voters out there in the cities who are truly active and far-left. The rest are left-leaning centrist who call themselves democrats and who support Obama.
Absent any movement---noisy, concerted and focused---the far-left will be left behind. Why shouldn't Obama respond to the group that brung him to where he is?
You see a lot of criticism of Obama on this site, but it's usually extremist and of the sort that says silly things that just aren't true, like: " the new boss, just like the old boss". (See any post by hoytdouglas on this site). If anything I'd say this is counter-productive in that it's obviously false and gives the left an aura of being out-of-touch with reality. There's plenty of "change" out there to be psyched over, and also some disappointments to rally and motivate.
Great Post Madcow.
You expressed my feelings exactly.
Ditto! Except that a lot of that percentage is in the suburbs, not the rural areas in the Southwest at least.
Therefore, extend a hand to Republicans while ignoring the "left" potion of your own party. Is that right, madcow?
At some point ideas have to matter.
Extend the hand that's filled with ideas, and if it's refused, be willing to leave them behind.
The country is fed-up with partisan grid-lock---Obama campaigned against it and the people responded by voting for him. Now, he extends a hand to the R's and they refused it.
Ideas matter---but without a movement to push them how far can they get?
Or maybe we just need to reform the media to help the ideas gain traction. It seems like the right-wing viewpoint gets way more coverage...