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Repudiate the Carter Doctrine
Twenty-nine years ago, President Jimmy Carter adopted the radical and dangerous policy of using military force to ensure U.S. access to Middle Eastern oil. "Let our position be absolutely he clear," he said in his State of the Union address on January 23, 1980. "An attempt by any outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf region [and thereby endanger the flow of oil] will be regarded as an assault on the vital interests of the United States of America, and such an assault will be repelled by any means necessary, including military force.
This principle — known ever since as the Carter Doctrine — led to U.S. involvement in three major wars and now risks further military entanglement in the greater Gulf area. It's time to repudiate this doctrine and satisfy U.S. energy needs without reliance on military intervention.
Focusing on the Gulf
Carter enunciated his doctrine at a moment when U.S. officials were worried about the recent Islamic revolution in Iran and the concurrent Soviet invasion and occupation of Afghanistan. Both actions, it was believed, threatened the U.S. ability to ensure uninterrupted access to Persian Gulf oil. "The region which is now threatened by Soviet troops in Afghanistan is of great strategic importance," Carter said in his pivotal address. "It contains more than two-thirds of the world's exportable oil." Of particular concern: "The Soviet effort to dominate Afghanistan has brought Soviet military forces to within 300 miles of the Indian Ocean and close to the Straits of Hormuz, a waterway through which most of the world's oil must flow."
Because the United States at that time did not possess any forces specifically earmarked for action in the Gulf, President Carter created a new military body, the Rapid Deployment Joint Task Force (RDJTF), to undertake operations in the region. He also expanded the U.S. naval presence in the Gulf and acquired new basing facilities in the wider region. Carter authorized covert operations in Afghanistan to drive the Soviets out of the country. This effort eventually involved U.S. support for Osama bin Laden and other Islamic extremists who now seek to make war on the United States.
Although successive Republican leaders condemned many Carter policies, they warmly embraced the Carter Doctrine. Every Republican president since 1980 has invoked its basic principle to initiate war in the President Gulf region.
The first to do so was Ronald Reagan during the Iran-Iraq War of 1980-88. When Iran began firing on Kuwaiti oil tankers (presumably because Kuwait had loaned money to Saddam Hussein), Reagan deemed the attacks a threat to the free flow of oil in accordance with the principles of the Carter Doctrine and ordered U.S. warships to protect the tankers. "Mark this point well," he declared on May 19, 1987. "The use of the sea lanes of the Persian Gulf will not be dictated by the Iranians."
The U.S. decision to protect Kuwaiti tankers led to clashes with Iranian gunboats and thus amounted to U.S. involvement in the Iran-Iraq War as a de facto ally of Saddam Hussein. Faced with U.S. and Iraqi opposition, the Iranians were forced to sue for peace in 1988. To what degree this U.S. support led Hussein to believe he could then invade Kuwait with impunity is unknown. In any case, he seems to have expected a mild U.S. response from the invasion of Kuwait on August 2, 1990. This assumption, however, didn't take the Carter Doctrine into account. When President George H.W. Bush met with his advisers at Camp David on August 3 to consider the implications of the invasion they concluded, according to Bob Woodward of The Washington Post, that the Iraqi attack constituted a threat to the safety of Saudi oil and so would have to be repelled in accordance with the Carter policy.
That the basic principles of the Carter Doctrine were in the forefront of Bush's mind when he initially committed U.S. forces to the Persian Gulf War is plainly evident from the first public address he gave on the topic, on August 8, 1990: "Our country now imports nearly half the oil it consumes and could face a major threat to its economic independence," he said. Hence, "the sovereign independence of Saudi Arabia is of vital interest to the United States." Bush later altered his rhetoric to emphasize weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and human rights, but oil was the starting point.
As is well known, Bush Sr. chose not to invade Baghdad after driving Iraqi forces out of Kuwait but rather to seek Hussein's ouster through economic warfare. This led to the imposition of economic sanctions on Iraq — a policy also embraced by President Bill Clinton. Although justified in terms of undermining Hussein's ability to acquire WMD and other advanced military capabilities, the sanctions' ultimate goal was to eliminate a threat to the safety of Persian Gulf oil, in accordance with the Carter Doctrine. And when these measures failed to achieve the intended objective — at least in the eyes of President Bush Jr. — the only apparent alternative was direct U.S. military intervention.
Like his father in the days leading up to Operation Desert Storm, George W. Bush avoided referring to oil and spoke solely of WMD and human rights when talking of the need to eliminate Saddam Hussein. But his vice president, Dick Cheney, wasn’t so reticent. In an August 2002 speech before the Veterans of Foreign Wars, he laid out the strategic reasons for attacking Iraq, saying: "Armed with an arsenal of [WMD] and a seat atop 10% of the world's oil reserves, Saddam Hussein could then be expected to seek domination of the entire Middle East, take control of a great portion of the world's energy supplies, [and] directly threaten America's friends throughout the region." As such, the current war in Iraq can best be viewed as part of a series of U.S. military moves taken in accordance with Carter's January 1980 pronouncement.
Obama and the Carter Doctrine
It would be enormously reassuring to conclude that the Iraq War is the last in this series, that the departure of President Bush and the arrival of President Obama signifies the end of U.S. involvement in Middle Eastern wars over oil. But there's no reason to assume that this is in fact the case. True, Obama has spoken repeatedly of his desire to withdraw U.S. combat troops from Iraq and to hasten the development of petroleum alternatives so as to reduce U.S. reliance on Middle Eastern oil. But he has not specifically repudiated the Carter Doctrine or its underlying premises. Rather, he has emphasized the need to preserve a robust U.S. military presence in the Persian Gulf area and to use force when necessary to protect vital American interests there — though exactly what these interests may be, he has yet to spell out in detail.
Most of the commentary on Obama's Iraq policy has focused on his pledge to remove U.S. combat troops from the region. But in his first major speech as a candidate on national security affairs, at the Chicago Council on Global Affairs on April 23, 2007, he said that he was aware "that there are risks involved" in reducing American troop levels. "That is why," he continued, "my plan provides for an over-the-horizon force that could prevent chaos in the wider region" (emphasis added). Obama hasn't spelled out what he means by such a force, but presumably it would entail a larger air and naval presence in the greater Gulf region along with additional U.S. deployments in friendly countries like Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates.
President Obama also warned of the threat posed by Iran's acquisition of nuclear weapons in much the same alarmist language George W. Bush used. Although he has emphasized reliance on diplomacy to achieve a peaceful outcome to this peril, Obama hasn't categorically ruled out the use of military force. Considering that the Iranians have repeatedly warned they'll respond to any American attack on their territory by blocking the flow of oil through the Strait of Hormuz, it's obvious the U.S. dispute with Iran over WMD — no less than that with Iraq — is closely tied to the geopolitical thrust of the Carter Doctrine. Thus, while any U.S. attack on Iran's nuclear facilities would be aimed in the first instance at neutralizing a potential nuclear danger, the ultimate objective would be to ensure the safety of Persian Gulf oil supplies.
So long as the United States adheres to a policy that legitimates the use of military force to protect the flow of oil, we run the risk of involvement in one war after another in the ever-volatile Persian Gulf region. True, other issues and objectives have been associated with these wars, but the underlying strategic premise for every U.S. intervention in the Gulf since 1980 has been the core concept of the Carter Doctrine: to disallow a hostile power from gaining control of the region and blocking our access to its oil.
This policy has done little to ensure us uninterrupted access to oil, and cost us great pain, misery, and expense. Despite the $600 billion or so we have already spent on the Iraq War (on the way to an estimated $2-$3 trillion, when all associated and follow-up costs are included), Iraq today is producing less oil today than it did when U.S. troops invaded the country six years ago. And despite the mammoth U.S. military presence in the Gulf area, Iran emerged as a major regional power amidst a rise in piracy and militant Islam. When all is said and done, conventional military force is an ineffective tool for protecting far-flung, highly vulnerable oil facilities and trade routes.
There's only one way to reduce America's vulnerability to the disruption in overseas petroleum deliveries and that is to become less dependent on oil, period. We can't drill our way out of this predicament because the United States simply lacks enough domestic petroleum to satisfy our gargantuan requirements. We possess 2.5% of the world's proved oil reserves, yet consume 25% of its daily oil output. To achieve any sort of balance we have to cut our consumption substantially — and that means driving less, developing alternative fuels, converting to gas/electric hybrid and eventually all-electric cars, and otherwise transitioning away from reliance on oil.
President Obama has promised to make a substantial investment in oil alternatives. Such efforts are expected to be a major component of his economic stimulus package and deserve strong public backing. But this is only half of the problem. To overcome what he calls the "tyranny of oil," he must also repudiate the Carter Doctrine and reject the use of military force to ensure access to Middle Eastern petroleum. Only in this way can we be certain that the Iraq War will be the last time U.S. soldiers shed their blood for oil.
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Show AllDoes anyone know if Carter ever repudiated his own doctrine? Just curious.
.This article is a bit disingenuous in fact. It seems to blame the Democrats and deflect criticism from Bush. Where have we seen this sort of thing before?
The so_called Carter Doctrine was a response to the invasion of Afghanistan by the USSR and the line:
"An attempt by any outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf region [and thereby endanger the flow of oil] will be regarded as an assault on the vital interests of the United States of America, and such an assault will be repelled by any means necessary, including military force." was written by Zbigniew Brzezinski emphasizing USA determination to warn the invading soviets from the oil rich lands beyond.
To believe that events in the Middle East would have unfolded differently , insofar as US actions are concerned seems silly to me. Further, it was Carter who wanted to freeze US oil imports at 1975 levels after all. That sounds like a great idea today, and, if it had been implemented we might not have troops in the Middle East and binLaden would not have become what he is today either.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Excellent observation, which touches on the strong rightward bias of our public discourse.
It works like this:
If the Democrats screw up, the Democrats take the blame.
If Republicans screw up, the Democrats take the blame.
This pattern is ubiuitous in political discourse, from one side of the political spectrum to the other. People blame the Democrats for Republican screw-ups. It's the dominant paradigm.
Have You Told a Republican He's a Screw-Up Today?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIFIvFarghs
All the more reason to get us the hell OFF of the oil bandwagon. Too bad we had oil people running things when we could have been taking ourselves off of a 19th century fuel source instead. Time to get things together and lead the world in technology again. This reliance on oil is not helping the vast majority of us at all.
Can't drill our way out. Can't kill our way out. .... I'm out of ideas.
The premise of this article is ridiculous. Reagan and Bush 43 would have done exactly as they did even if Carter had never made his proclamation.
Neither of those men used the doctrine as a basis for their actions: they used it as an excuse.
q
quickstepper wrote:
Reagan and Bush 43 would have done exactly as they did even if Carter had never made his proclamation.
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Politicians, like lawyers - which most of them are, use the premise of precedent.
If Jimmy hadn't set the precedent, they wouldn't have been able to refer to it as reason nor excuse. While Ronnie I-didn't-know-what-Ollie-was-doing-in-my-basement Reagan was a lying scoundrel, and George the-head-spy-guy Bush had been the murderous capo de capo of the CIA, doesn't let the peanut farmer off the hook for assuming to dictate the actions of other countries with his own illegal activities.
When one gets right down to the heart of the matter, the true reason the USA wants to maintain control of all that oil is to ensure their dollar remains propped up.
The USA can NOT get off the Oil Bandwagon nor can it "afford" to allow other countries in the world to get off that bandwagon. They have to ensure it remains a much needed resource and that the Countries that control it remain friendly to the United States.
Three Countries in opec have so far shifted (or tried to) from selling Oil in Dollars to other currencies.
Iran, Iraq under Saddam and Venezuala.....All called undemocratic and "terrorist" states by the US Government.
It's not just the fact that the us dollar is propped up by the access to oil, it's also the fact that tanks run on gas. As long as we need fuel to fight wars, we'll fight wars over fuel. The 'Carter' doctrine isn't going anywhere for another century or less, depending on how fast we burn it while fighting over it...
G.W. - your last point well taken. International currency for petrol is the dollar - any change in that status (changing to the Euro, for example) would decimate the US hegemony on the marketing of the product, and in all likelihood further depreciate the dollar to a point where it would be virtually worthless. Many think this war was actually predicated on the possibility this might happen.
Carter said, "An attempt by any outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf region..."
I don't think "outside force" meant Persian Gulf states. He was asserting our options to oppose the Soviets or other outside forces. This has been interpreted to mean anybody but the US.
Turns out, WE are the destabilizing outside force.
http://davedubya.com
This looks similar to Republicans trying to blame Carter, Clinton - any or all other Democrats for the recent economic collapse. But who was pushing de regulation so hard for the last 8-12 years? Bush Republicans.
So in this case, I suppose we should just ignore all the sicko PNAC neo cons were in the white house over Bush's 8 years, including Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. Any random accident that the "Plan for a New American Century" (PNAC) was the manifesto that think tank published in 1998 and clearly advocated pre emptive military force to advance the interests of the American Empire in the world, specifically advocating Saddam Hussein being removed from power?
That goes way beyond Carter to a point of "what is our oil doing under your sand?"
What really needs to happen is Republicans moving beyond the point of denial, and accept that there was a neo conservative coup that took over the Republican Party, Congress and the White House. What really needs to happen is Republicans to repudiate if not purge their party of neo conservatives.
This is what can be called BETRAYAL. Traditional conservative benchmarks have been disciplined spending, small government, protecting the constitution and protecting our borders. Strike one, Bush Republicans were involved in the most reckless spending in our history, both doubling the national debt and tripling our longterm unfunded fiscal commitments. Strike two, government has grown to gargantuan size under Bush Republicans. Strike three, there has been a relentless attack on the constitution. Strike four, Bush Republicans has failed to effectively protect our borders as they have been preoccupied with Iraqi borders and Afghanistan borders.
And if you take this a step further and say Bush Republicans were supposed to be the only party representing family values, you need to read the very long list of such events as the Jack Abramoff scandal, Mark Foley discovered being a sexual predator on congressional pages, Duke Cunningham getting prison time for taking bribes, numerous legislators having their names on prostitution client phone lists, Larry Craig hanging out at an airport homosexual rendevous point in a "wide stance" and Ted Stevens accepting bribes from lobbyists.
In short, traditional conservative voters have been duped by a group of sociopaths that will say anything and pretend to be whoever you want them to be to get your vote.
"This looks similar to Republicans trying to blame Carter, Clinton - any or all other Democrats for the recent economic collapse. But who was pushing de regulation so hard for the last 8-12 years? Bush Republicans."
What?
Why do you say 8-12 years, stopping between Clinton's two terms? The (D) and (R) parties are BOTH subservient to corporate interests which long ago transcended any national identity and divorced themselves from any sense of national (i.e., employer/customer) loyalty. Clinton gave us just his fair share of "free trade" agreements; it was Clinton who married us to GATT and the WTO; and it was Clinton who shoved NAFTA up our collective ass.
"no gods, no masters" --m. sanger
It was also Clinton who repealed Glass-Steigall, which allowed for the formation of our now 'too large to fail' financial institutions.
Before you go blaming everything on Bush and the Republicans, you should study some history. Financial deregulation and union busting is something BOTH parties believe in.
Phil Gramm was the primary force behind the weakening of the Glass-Steagall Act (http://losangeles.injuryboard.com/miscellaneous/the-subprime-mess-and-phil-gramm-an-experiment-in-deregulation.aspx?googleid=242468).
Presidents can only veto legislation. They cannot repeal it.
q
Well, Phil Gramm and Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin. I think Rubin got what he wanted.
http://www.allbusiness.com/government/business-regulations/500983-1.html
.Further the repeal was buried in an omnibus bill ( which probably weighed about forty pounds) by a lame duck congress and signed by a lame duck President late in the term.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
kgarry:
The (D) and (R) parties are BOTH subservient to corporate interests
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This can't be said often enough, apparently, because the fact that the United States has been run by a ruling class of its wealthiest citizens from the Revolution to the present time seems to be constantly overlooked as people champion their favorite party or politician or cause. Overlooked or ignored by many even here on CD.
Changing political parties or politicians will have little long term meaningful effect without first acknowledging that the US is a plutocracy, then doing what is necessary to take the power from the plutocrats so that the nation can be governed by, for, and of the people - not by, for, and of the wealthiest Americans at the expense of the "bottom" 99.5% percent.
The bottom 99.5% - an incredible concept that Americans have been putting up with for over two centuries.
mountain mike, carter, not reagan, was the one who stated publicly for the world the Carter Doctrine. would raygun have acted differently if carter hadn't threatened the world? of course not. that's not the point. the point is there is bipartisan consensus on control of middle east oil. and carter started the funding of jihadis in afghanistan, not raygun (though he expanded it).
i know it's difficult to swallow that there really is a dime's worth of difference b/n almost all dems & reps, but it's true.
and "traditional conservatives" believe this & that? please point out one who walked the walk when in power. they've all gone the way of the unicorn as far as i can tell.
.Carter didnt 'threaten the world' only the soviets....
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
ardee wrote:
Carter didnt 'threaten the world' only the soviets....
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Like you say: We see things, not as they are, but as we are. Therefore I would like to point out that "any outside force" was not, nor is, specific to the Soviets.
It just happened to be Soviets that were perceived as a threat to US moneyed interests at that time. I think it is inconcievable that Carter would not have made this dictate if the flow of petroleum were endangered by any other nation.
Remember "nice guy" Carter is the same man who ignored the plea of Bishop Oscar Romeros to stop funding, supplying, and aiding the death squads that were slaughtering the peasants in El Salvador. Didn't even have the decency to answer his letter.
A dishonest rhetorical trick that's so standard-issue that nobody ever notices it: Klare uses the word "access" (to oil) 5 times to describe US motives; the word "control" is used only twice to describe possible motives of whoever might oppose US "doctrine" for that region. Here's the take of a gutsier commentator who has a better record of calling a spade a spade:
Strategic reasons. I mean, economic and strategic, which are impossible to distinguish. But since the Second World War, I'll quote the State Department, the Middle East oil producing regions have been regarded, I'll quote the words, "a stupendous source of strategic power." George Kennan, State Department, head of the planning section said control, not access, control over the Middle East oil gives us "veto power" over what our rivals might do, other industrial powers. You control the spigot, have your hand on the spigot, you have a lot of world control. It's not even access to oil. The first, roughly, 30 years after the Second World War, the U.S. was—North America was the major oil producer. It wasn't using Middle East oil, never the less we had to keep an iron hand of control on Middle East oil and if the U.S. were to go to solar energy, they'd still want to control Middle East oil because that's a lever of world control. Everyone understands it but we're not allowed to think about it.
Klare has done some good work, but that doesn't mean his anodyne characterization of the primary motive of US foreign policy setters (i.e. folks at the very highest level such as Dick Cheney) as being mere "access" to oil is less than honest. In fact, one comment above cites how refreshingly frank James Baker was about the US motive since WWII—i.e. "control" of the spigot.
Here is an interesting panel debate on 'Oil and Foreign Policy' in which Klare is one of the panelists along with David Painter and Joe Barnes. By far the most candid and least mealy-mouthed of the panelists is Joe Barnes, who used to be a top lieutenant and favorite of James Baker at the State Department. He doesn't make any bones about "access" and is quite forthright about the real role of oil i.e. it's "a stupendous source of strategic power"—something that's been perfectly clear since the Twenties, at least, as modern military machines came to rely on it to an ever greater extent. It's only in the US that one hears anguished cries from liberal commentators about the terrible US need for "access" to Middle Eastern oil. Even now, less than one-sixth of the gas you pump in your car comes from that part of the world.
Incidentally, David Painter's 'Oil in the American Century' is a little known classic and well worth reading for it's clarification of the relation between government and industry (Hint: It's not "Big Oil" that calls the shots, contrary to what the likes of Antonia Juhasz loudly allege).
I had vehemently disagreed with the 'Carter Doctrine' when Jimmy 1st introduced it. Memories of Vietnam were still strong and too fresh for me. I opposed it then, and I still do now.
Lost footnote to history: Hussein's invasion of Kuwait occurred a few weeks after Kuwait's rebuff of US efforts to obtain permission to construct a military base in the Persian Gulf upon an island off the shore of Kuwait.
Not disputing your point but I'd like to see a reference for that footnote.
q
from the article:
"Carter enunciated his doctrine at a moment when U.S. officials were worried about the recent Islamic revolution in Iran" - yes the hated shah was removed from power having been put there some 20 years earlier by a coup which ousted prime minister mossedeq. a coup organized and funded by the cia under the direction of kermit roosevelt, nephew of the ex-pres on behalf of british petroleum
then; "the concurrent Soviet invasion and occupation of Afghanistan" which was incited by the cia, this time under the direction of zbigniew brezinski working for pres carter
on and on - yeh stop the carter doctrine- stop the american doctrine - makes me sick these lame mea culpas
cheers, b
Heck, get Carter to repudiate his own damn doctrine! He's a human and sweet man in many respects but he's also an American Empire guy as well.
Truth is controlling middle east oil and war is good for the economy ("invest your son") That's the way our rulers see it. So, Obama prepares to reinvade Afghanistan.
Sad to say, every president needs his own private war. Keeps the military happy, not to mention Halliburton. And you always need an enemy who's always gaining ground on you. Now terrorism, then communism.
"I told you-- Obama's no God.!"
Dave Dubya has it precisely right. The Carter doctrine, as it was actually enunciated by Jimmy Carter, addressed threatened interference by the Soviet Union in the Persian Gulf, not disputes (or even wars) among the Persian Gulf states themselves (including of course Iran). This distinction was deliberately blurred by subsequent post-Carter administrations having different policy agendas.
A similar morphing of meaning happened with the Monroe doctrine. Originally, it was a proclamation directed at European colonial powers, declaring that further European colonization or military intervention in the western hemisphere was considered a threat to the United States' vital interests. Over time, the Monroe doctrine came to be sloppily invoked by later American Presidents as a favorite justification for repeated unilateral US military intervention into the affairs of numerous states in the Carribbean, Latin America, and South America.
Maybe the way for Obama to deal with this is to pattern new policy after what FDR did. Announce a new approach called the good neighbors' policy. Then apply it to both the Persian Gulf and to the western hemisphere. Two birds with one stone.
Bill from Saginaw
It is absurd to call for repudiation of the "Carter Doctrine". Though it has been abused repeatedly, it is a sound doctrine. The steady supply of oil from the middle east is critical not only to the US economy, but to the entire free world. It is the foolish thinking of an airhead to suggest that we should simply sit back and allow players in this extremely unstable region of the world to disrupt the oil supplies that are the lifeblood of all modern nations. Incredibly stupid!! It is necessary that we find ways to slake our thirst for oil other than tapping into the vast middle eastern resources... vital in fact.... but the truth is that they are and WILL REMAIN critical to the industrialized world for the foreseeable future.... probably until they are depleted. While or own supplies mostly do not originate from this area, the world oil supply is a "common pool", and allowing a portion of it to be compromised or cut off will effect everybody, and could result in economic cataclysm far beyond what we are now experiencing in America and Europe. Mr Michael Klare is clearly living in an idealistic fantasy land.... not the real world. Unpleasant though it is to contemplate, we absolutely must remain engaged to some extent in this part of the world... there is no other alternative at this time. There is a huge distance to travel down the alternative energy road, and we will be fortunate indeed.... ourselves and the rest of the industrialized world....if we can achieve anything like the self sufficiency necessary for economic survival before the world's declining oil supply brings our way of life to an end. This isn't just about driving your car wherever you want whenever you want.... that is but a small proportion of our dependence on oil. When the full impact of oil shortages are felt, these idiots like Mr Klare will be singing a different tune. What is necessary is for the industrialized nations of the world to act in concert for a common purpose. What is necessary is a end to unilateral or bilateral action (US/UK), and a universal recognition of the need to stabilize and protect, and a willingness to open a REAL dialog with the "rogue" nations of the area.
Howard
We have no right to others resources, which by itself invalidates the Carter Doctrine and is the root reason why it must be repudiated.
The real rogue nations of the planet are #1 USA, #2 Israel, followed by the UK and collectively NATO/EU--All the former Imperailist countries with the exception of China, Japan, and Russia.
I think you might rethink China. It just stopped being communist and became fascist (look up Mussolini's definition of that) and is happily empire-building in various countries of Africa in much the same way as the European explorers, missionaries and traders were doing in the late 19th century. And to the degree that Russia has been moving quite briskly into totalitarian policies on the home front, I wouldn't consider it a sure bet in the "non-rogue nation" stakes either, especially as it doesn't seem to know what happened to its nuclear stockpiles.
Which doesn't mean I consider either of these nearly the great immediate and ongoing threat to world peace and justice that the USA and it's global allies constitute. Just don't dismiss their ambitions and current first steps in implementing them, especially in Africa. China, historically, has always been imbued with a racial superiority over the whole world which would make the European imperialists of the 19th-20th centuries look like white freedom riders of the '60s.
Rainborowe
No.
The Carter Doctrine is not a sound doctrine. It is the height of insanity. Most of the energy we use now is wasted on useless consumerism, inefficient automobile transportation and the upkeep of the capability to project military power around the world. All that is threatened by the end of these things is our ability to work at jobs doing work that would be better undone.
Alternative energy sources, along with the oil we have remaining in this country (or this hemisphere), could provide the energy needed to do what needs to be done. The main beneficiaries of our dependence on Persian Gulf oil are the people who profit from the armaments industry.
Stonetool wrote:
It is the foolish thinking of an airhead to suggest that we should simply sit back and allow players in this extremely unstable region of the world to....
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allow players to...what? control their own resources like we control our coal or iron or copper or forests?
Imagine that: these "rogue nations" want to be able to control what they think are the resources of their otherwise rather barren lands, when in fact the oil under their sand really belongs to the the US. New definition of rogue?: someone who won't obey me.
Stonetool wrote:
What is necessary is for the industrialized nations of the world to act in concert for a common purpose.
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And that "common purpose" seems to be for the big bullies, the thugs with the big guns - the industrialized nations - to take the oil from the little guys who have it.
Well, Stonetool, that was common behavior back in the Stone Age, and for some it seems to be acceptable behavior now. As for me, I choose to stand on the side of an "airhead" than to be an accomplice to murdering thieves.
A mistake Klare makes which he hasn't before is saying Carter started funding the Afghan rebels in response to the Soviet invasion: "Carter authorized covert operations in Afghanistan to drive the Soviets out of the country." The truth is Carter signed the Finding directive prior to the Soviet's being invited by the pro-Soviet government to help it in its brewing Civil War, which was already being fomented by the CIA. In othger words, Carter escalated the already ongong covert war being waged against the Soviet friendly Afghan government, which saw Soviet forces enter the country to support the Afghan government at its invitation--There was never any "invasion" of Afghanistan by the USSR--Just as Russia didn't "invade" Georgia. Afhganistan was purposfully destabilized just because its government was socialist and thus had friendly relations with the USSR. So, the US attacked a budding attempt to establish freedom and equality within a highly tribal nation/society. For despite its poverty, prior to 1979, Afghanistan wasn't too bad a place to live, and you didn't have to fear for your lives at a wedding or funeral as is the case since late 2001.
Ole' Ole' Now let's put it all together. Who and What is "The Bilderberg Club"?
Are any of these names familiar: Tony Blair, Bill Clinton, Ben Bernanke, Timothy Geithner, Thomas Daschle, Richard Holbrooke, James Johnson, Henry Paulson, Kathleen Sebelius, Richrd Perle, Laurence Summers, John Deutch, Bill Richardson, James Steinberg, Daniel Tarullo, Henry Kissinger, Paul Wolfowitz, and many more?
They all were some of the invitees to some of the "The Bilderberg Club" Meetings.
The point is that since Kennedy's Assassination, every President has feared for his life. Plans are made for you. Watch Kennedy's warning about secret societies in "Zeitgeist", the documentary movie. Watch the videos preceding the assasination, as the vehicle is about to turn the corner, Secret Servicemen were being ordered away from the sides of the Kennedy limousine and they were not on the back of the vehicle either as it entered Dealy Plaza. Dealy Plaza was the only area that had no lines of people, most had been cleared out of the area by alleged Secret Service.
Today there were missles fired on a Pakistan Village killing mostly civilians. Zbigniew Brzezinski is one of Obama's Advisers. He is the guy who advised Jimmy Carter, "If the Soviets continue to have success with their political and economic package in Afghanistan, we will find that same program used in Iran. We need to destabilize the Afghan government now." They immediately put 500 Million Dollars into recruiting, training, and arming an Islamic Militant force. Later it was to be increaed by Reagan with billions from the U.S. and Saudi Arabia and that small force was made into an army of 100,000 Islamic Militants and they were used in the Balkans in the 90´s by Clinton....("Operation Cyclone")
But, that is not all. In July of 2008 Bush authorized 400 Million Dollars for the Destabilization of Iran.....Who were Cheney/Bush going to use. Khalid Sheik Mohammad's Jundullah ("Soldiers of God"), Jundullah is a Sunni group linked to Al Qaeda ("The Base"). General Mirza Aslam Baig, former Pakistani Army Chief, said, "Jundullah is the main recipient of U.S. Financial and Military Aid".
Oh, in case you forgot,Khalid Sheik Mohammad, The Head of Jundullah, was the guy that was "brainwashed" into confessing that he planned 9/11. ("U.S. funds Terror Groups To Sow Chaos In Iran" by William Lowther and Colin Freeman,London Telegraph)
"My enemy is my friend. My friend is my enemy"
Thanks, hrc,
Good post.
Whether it's Ike in '53 or Carter in '80 or Bush in '01 and '03,
we reap the whirlwind in the Middle East,
squandering lives and fortunes,
and leave others to pick up the pieces.
China and Iran are successfully negotiating to build power stations in Iraq;
who is rebuilding Afghan? Or has our destruction not yet ended?
"THE TRUE PURPOSE OF THE US MILITARY IS TO MAKE THE WORLD SAFE FOR OUR BIG BOSS: OUR SUPERNATIONALISTIC CAPITALISM...AND THE EXPLOITATION BY OUR CORPORATIONS AND CHAMBER OF COMMERCE...US FOREIGN POLICY IS ALWAYS GEARED TOWARDS GATHERING AS MUCH OF THE WORLD'S RESOURCES UNTO OURSELVES ......AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHER NATIONS"........GENERAL SMEDLEY BUTLER -- US ARMY.
teddy wrote all in upper case. Ouch.
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Smedley provides the most straightforward, accessible, concise, and accurate perspective available of the US government and the plutocracy that own it and he is worth quoting often. But, please, Teddy, all upper case is not pleasant to read.
advocate leave poor teddy alone who made you upper case police?
Glenn:
Advocate is just being helpful. Upper case is hard to read which means that people's eyes get uncomfortable and they quit reading. If it's worth writing it should be worth writing so that people can read it without a headache of words running together.
We have people of all ages and physical abilities here: some of us are well past our sell-by date and our bodies, especially the muscles governing the focussing of the eye-lens, don't physically adapt with lightning speed and precision as they did years ago.
Rainborowe
.Not only that but upper case is considered to be yelling in the custom of forums. Are you simply feeling argumentative?
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
There was a clip of an interview with a former Secretary of State, it may have been James Baker but I don't remember, in this documentary on oil I was watching on Link TV...and I forget the name of the documentary too. But he said it's been our policy to use military force to secure ME oil since WW2, I believe. Does this guy really think it started with Carter? Look at what we did to Iran in the 50s.
Klare is saying that the Carter Doctrine was the first PUBLIC expression of a policy that cited the use of force to control access to ME oil and the concomitant establishment of a military force specifically formed to accomplish that mission. Klare points this out in "Blood and Oil." The documentary film based on his book is very well done, and it should be seen in conjunction with another DVD with a very similar title, "Blood and Oil - The Middle East in World War I," which will provide a better historical base.
Karlof 1:
I'd say that the 1950s CIA/MI-6-organized coup to remove the popularly elected Iranian prime minister, Mossadegh, when and because he nationalized the oil fields as the people wanted, and the enthronement of the puppet Shah, Mohammed Reza Pahlavi, who was definitely unwanted and had to rule with the aid of a Gestapo-type secret police until he was popularly deposed in 1979, was VERY MUCH a PUBLIC expression of the policy of both the USA and it's poodle, the UK, with regard to oil and the Middle-Eastern countries in whose land that oil tends to puddle.
Rainborowe
And how about Southeast Asia -- for tin and tungsten!
And don't forget to remove the ban on hemp so that we can grow our own oil. And let us please get our government to subsidize the idea of algae for renewable petroleum so that it can be cheaper to do and save the environment.
That was THEN. I wonder what Carter thinks about it today. Maybe someone should ask him.
After all, he quite rightly - and I suppose that I am one of the few people right here who's actually been to the "occupied territories" of Israel - called that arrangement "Apartheid".
Carter was the last decent American president I can remember.
Apart from that, I agree with the general tenor of the article that everybody's, including America's, reliance on Middle East oil ought to be curtailed heavily. Phased out, ideally.
To my mind, the most obscene waste of same is taking place in packaging. Quite frankly, who needs these ever-harder-to-open plastic wrappings for just about anything we buy? And who needs these plastic bags everywhere?
They are all made from oil derivatives, although there ARE already other options out there.
I don't know the plastic industry's share of the overall consumption of oil, but it's just such an inane waste.
Use oil where there are no alternatives - there are many drugs that rely on oil derivatives, for example - but don't use it on wrapping toothbrushes any more, PLEASE!
"Carter was the last decent American president I can remember."
He is the least depraved president within my 53 years, but he isn't decent at all as he has blood on his hands and helped perpetuate Vietnam and SEAsia's misery too.
Most plastic is made from natural gas--methane.
.http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/phy99/phy99324.htm
Question: What is plastic made out of and how is it made?
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Answer: The things that go into plastics are various products from
oil refineries (hydrocarbons) and some other elements, most often
chlorine (which is made from salt). Plastics are generally made
through a polymerization process, where small molecules are made
through a series of reactions, and then those small molecules
are combined (through heat or pressure) so that they all join
up forming a stable solid material. There are lots of different
varieties though, which makes recycling plastics rather difficult!
Arthur Smith
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin