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Will Economic Meltdown, Race, or Regional Loyalty Be the Trump Card in Election 2008?
In his acceptance speech at the Democratic National Convention, Barack Obama called the forthcoming presidential election a "defining moment" in this country's history. It is conceivable that he is right. There are precedents in American history for an election inaugurating a period of reform and political realignment.
Such a development, however, is extremely rare and surrounded by contingencies normally beyond the control of the advocates of reform. So let me speculate about whether the 2008 election might set in motion a political reconfiguration -- and even a political renaissance -- in the United States, restoring a modicum of democracy to the country's political system, while ending our march toward imperialism, perpetual warfare, and bankruptcy that began with the Cold War.
The political blunders, serious mistakes, and governmental failures of the last eight years so discredited the administration of George W. Bush -- his average approval rating has fallen to 27% and some polls now show him dipping into the low twenties -- that his name was barely mentioned in the major speeches at the Republican convention. Even John McCain has chosen to run under the banner of "maverick" as a candidate of "change," despite the fact that his own party's misgoverning has elicited those demands for change.
Bringing the opposition party to power, however, is not in itself likely to restore the American republic to good working order. It is almost inconceivable that any president could stand up to the overwhelming pressures of the military-industrial complex, as well as the extra-constitutional powers of the 16 intelligence agencies that make up the U.S. Intelligence Community, and the entrenched interests they represent. The subversive influence of the imperial presidency (and vice presidency), the vast expansion of official secrecy and of the police and spying powers of the state, the institution of a second Defense Department in the form of the Department of Homeland Security, and the irrational commitments of American imperialism (761 active military bases in 151 foreign countries as of 2008) will not easily be rolled back by the normal workings of the political system.
For even a possibility of that occurring, the vote in November would have to result in a "realigning election," of which there have been only two during the past century -- the election of Franklin Roosevelt in 1932 and of Richard Nixon in 1968. Until 1932, the Republicans had controlled the presidency for 56 of the previous 72 years, beginning with Abraham Lincoln's election in 1860. After 1932, the Democrats occupied the White House for 28 of the next 36 years.
The 1968 election saw the withdrawal of the candidacy of President Lyndon Johnson under the pressure of the Vietnam War, the defeat of his vice president, Hubert Humphrey, not to mention the assassinations of Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King. That election, based on Nixon's so-called southern strategy, led to a new political alignment nationally, favoring the Republicans. The essence of that realignment lay in the running of Republican racists for office in the old Confederate states where the Democrats had long been the party of choice. Before 1968, the Democrats had also been the majority party nationally, winning seven of the previous nine presidential elections. The Republicans won seven of the next ten between 1968 and 2004.
Of these two realigning elections, the Roosevelt election is certainly the more important for our moment, ushering in as it did one of the few truly democratic periods in American political history. In his new book, Democracy Incorporated, Princeton political theorist Sheldon Wolin suggests the following: "Democracy is about the conditions that make it possible for ordinary people to better their lives by becoming political beings and by making power responsive to their hopes and needs."
However, the founders of this country and virtually all subsequent political leaders have been hostile to democracy in this sense. They favored checks and balances, republicanism, and rule by elites rather than rule by the common man or woman. Wolin writes, "The American political system was not born a democracy, but born with a bias against democracy. It was constructed by those who were either skeptical about democracy or hostile to it. Democratic advance proved to be slow, uphill, forever incomplete.
"The republic existed for three-quarters of a century before formal slavery was ended; another hundred years before black Americans were assured of their voting rights. Only in the twentieth century were women guaranteed the vote and trade unions the right to bargain collectively. In none of these instances has victory been complete: women still lack full equality, racism persists, and the destruction of the remnants of trade unions remains a goal of corporate strategies. Far from being innate, democracy in America has gone against the grain, against the very forms by which the political and economic power of the country has been and continues to be ordered."
Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal introduced a brief period of approximate democracy. This ended with the U.S. entry into World War II, when the New Deal was replaced by a wartime economy based on munitions manufacture and the support of weapons producers. This development had a powerful effect on the American political psyche, since only war production ultimately overcame the conditions of the Great Depression and restored full employment. Ever since that time, the United States has experimented with maintaining a military economy and a civilian economy simultaneously. Over time, this has had the effect of misallocating vital resources away from investment and consumption, while sapping the country's international competitiveness.
Socioeconomic conditions in 2008 bear a certain resemblance to those of 1932, making a realigning election conceivable. Unemployment in 1932 was a record 33%. In the fall of 2008, the rate is a much lower 6.1%, but other severe economic pressures abound. These include massive mortgage foreclosures, bank and investment house failures, rapid inflation in the prices of food and fuel, the failure of the health care system to deliver service to all citizens, a growing global-warming environmental catastrophe due to the over-consumption of fossil fuels, continuing costly military interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan, with more on the horizon due to foreign policy failures (in Georgia, Ukraine, Palestine, Lebanon, Iran, Pakistan, and elsewhere), and record-setting budgetary and trade deficits.
The question is: Can the electorate be mobilized, as in 1932, and will this indeed lead to a realigning election? The answer to neither question is an unambiguous yes.
The Race Factor
Even to contemplate that happening, of course, the Democratic Party first has to win the election -- and in smashing style -- and it faces two formidable obstacles to doing so: race and regionalism.
Although large numbers of white Democrats and independents have told pollsters that the race of a candidate is not a factor in how they will decide their vote, there is ample evidence that they are not telling the truth -- either to pollsters or, in many cases perhaps no less importantly, to themselves. Andrew Hacker, a political scientist at Queen's College, New York, has written strikingly on this subject, starting with the phenomenon known as the "Bradley Effect."
The term refers to Tom Bradley, a former black mayor of Los Angeles, who lost his 1982 bid to become governor of California, even though every poll in the state showed him leading his white opponent by substantial margins. Similar results appeared in 1989, when David Dinkins ran for mayor of New York City and Douglas Wilder sought election as governor of Virginia. Dinkins was ahead by 18 percentage points, but won by only two, and Wilder was leading by nine points, but squeaked through by only half a percent. Numerous other examples lead Hacker to offer this advice to Obama campaign offices: always subtract 7% from favorable poll results. That's the potential Bradley effect.
Meanwhile, the Karl Rove-trained Republican Party has been hard at work disenfranchising black voters. Although we are finally beyond property qualifications, written tests, and the poll tax, there are many new gimmicks. These include laws requiring voters to present official identity cards that include a photo, which, for all practical purposes, means either a driver's license or a passport. Many states drop men and women from the voting rolls who have been convicted of a felony but have fully completed their sentences, or require elaborate procedures for those who have been in prison -- where, Hacker points out, black men and women outnumber whites by nearly six to one -- to be reinstated. There are many other ways of disqualifying black voters, not the least of which is imprisonment itself. After all, the United States imprisons a greater proportion of its population than any other country on Earth, a burden that falls disproportionately on African Americans. Such obstacles can be overcome but they require heroic organizational efforts.
The Regional Factor
Regionalism is the other obvious obstacle standing in the way of attempts to mobilize the electorate on a national basis for a turning-point election. In their book, Divided America: The Ferocious Power Struggle in American Politics, the political scientists Earl and Merle Black argue that the U.S. electorate is hopelessly split. This division, which has become more entrenched with each passing year, is fundamentally ideological, but it is also rooted in ethnicity and manifests itself in an intense and never-ending partisanship. "In modern American politics," they write, "a Republican Party dominated by white Protestants faces a Democratic Party in which minorities plus non-Christian whites far outnumber white Protestants."
Another difference on the rise involves gender imbalance. In the 1950s, the Democratic Party, then by far the larger of the two parties, was evenly balanced between women and men. Fifty years later, a smaller but still potent Democratic Party contained far more women than men (60% to 40%). "In contrast, the Republican Party has shifted from an institution with more women than men in the 1950s (55% to 45%) to one in which men and women were as evenly balanced in 2004 as Democrats were in the 1950s."
Now, add in regionalism, specifically the old American antagonism between the two sides in the Civil War. That once meant southern Democrats versus northern Republicans. By the twenty-first century, however, that binary division had given way to something more complex -- "a new American regionalism, a pattern of conflict in which Democrats and Republicans each possess two regional strongholds and in which the Midwest, as the swing region, holds the balance of power in presidential elections."
The five regions Earl and Merle Black identify -- each becoming more partisan and less characteristic of the nation as a whole -- are the Northeast, South, Midwest, Mountains/Plains, and Pacific Coast. The Northeast, although declining slightly in population, has become unambiguously liberal Democratic. It is composed of New England (Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and Vermont), the Middle Atlantic states (Delaware, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania), and the District of Columbia. It is the primary Democratic stronghold.
The South is today a Republican stronghold made up of the eleven former Confederate states (Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia). A second Republican stronghold, displaying an intense and growing partisanship, is the Mountains/Plains region, composed of the 13 states of Arizona, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Utah, and Wyoming.
A second Democratic stronghold is the Pacific Coast, which includes the nation's most populous state, California, joined by Alaska, Hawaii, Oregon, and Washington. The Midwest, where national elections are won or lost by the party able to hold onto, and mobilize, its strongholds, is composed of Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Ohio, West Virginia, and Wisconsin. The two most important swing states in the nation are Florida (27 electoral votes) and Ohio (20 electoral votes), which the Democrats narrowly lost, generally under contested circumstances, in both 2000 and 2004.
These five regions are today entrenched in the nation's psyche. Normally, they ensure very narrow victories by one party or another in national elections. There is no way to get around them, barring a clear and unmistakable performance failure by one of the parties -- as happened to the Republicans during the Great Depression and may be happening again.
Why This Might Still Be a Turning-Point Election
Beyond these negatives, in 2008 there have been a number of developments that speak to the possibility of a turning-point election. First, the weakness (and age) of the Republican candidate may perhaps indicate that the Party itself is truly at the end of a forty-year cycle of power. Second, of course, is the meltdown, even possibly implosion, of the U.S. economy on the Republican watch (specifically, on that of George W. Bush, the least popular President in memory, as measured by recent opinion polls). This has put states in the Midwest and elsewhere that Bush took in 2000 and 2004 into play.
Third, there has been a noticeable trend in shifting party affiliations in which the Democrats are gaining membership as the Republicans are losing it, especially in key battleground states like Pennsylvania where, in 2008 alone, 474,000 new names have gone on the Democratic rolls, according to the Washington Post, even as the Republicans have lost 38,000. Overall, since 2006, the Democrats have gained at least two million new members, while the Republicans have lost 344,000. According to the Gallup organization, self-identified Democrats outnumbered self-identified Republicans by a 37% to 28% margin this June, a gap which may only be widening.
Fourth, there is the possibility of a flood of new, especially young, first-time voters, who either screen calls or live on cell phones, not landlines, and so are being under-measured by pollsters, as black voters may also be in this election. (However, when it comes to the young vote, which has been ballyhooed in a number of recent elections without turning out to be significant on Election Day, we must be cautious.) And fifth, an influx of new Democratic voters in states like Virginia, Colorado, and New Mexico threatens, in this election at least, to dent somewhat the normal regional loyalty patterns described by Earl and Merle Black.
Above all, two main issues will determine whether or not the November election will be a realigning one. Republican Party failures in managing the economy, in involving the country in catastrophic wars of choice, and in ignoring such paramount issues as global warming all dictate a Democratic victory. Militating against that outcome is racist hostility, conscious or otherwise, toward the Democratic Party's candidate as well as deep-seated regional loyalties. While the crisis caused by the performance failures of the incumbent party seems to guarantee a realigning election favoring the Democrats, it is simply impossible to determine the degree to which race and regionalism may sway voters. The fate of the nation hangs in the balance.
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Show All"Bringing the opposition party to power, however, is not in itself likely to restore the American republic to good working order. It is almost inconceivable that any president could stand up to the overwhelming pressures of the military-industrial complex, as well as the extra-constitutional powers of the 16 intelligence agencies that make up the U.S. Intelligence Community, and the entrenched interests they represent. The subversive influence of the imperial presidency (and vice presidency), the vast expansion of official secrecy and of the police and spying powers of the state, the institution of a second Defense Department in the form of the Department of Homeland Security, and the irrational commitments of American imperialism (761 active military bases in 151 foreign countries as of 2008) will not easily be rolled back by the normal workings of the political system."
Makes you wonder why anyone would want to be president.
Obama may win, but doubt he will or can, as he says, step up to the plate for major realignment over incremental shifts.
We'd need an opposition party first. If anything is clear after last week's theft of $800 billion, the Democrats are not an opposition party.
A real opposition could indeed start to roll this back. But the Democrats do not oppose this. They just want control of all that power for themselves.
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Surprisingly, here Chalmers' usually penetrating insight deserts him in favor of an uncharacteristically mundane and superficial conventional analysis, resting on unexamined orthodox pieties on the order of PBS-style pasteurized and homogenized skim political science, e.g. "Brooks and Shields" scripts.
Well, even the keenest-sighted hog misses an acorn now and then.
America's fate has never been decided by elections, which are a grand charade designed to give the impression that the people have a choice. They don't, never did.
Just look at history, only candidates hand-picked by the elite had a real chance. Real candidates with the working class' interest at heart have always been pilloried and ostracized by the corporate media (look at Sheehan, Nader, McKinney).
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A man convinced against his will - is of the same opinion still.
Mainestay:nice. Do you ever follow up by going to linked sites? Curious. One is DemocracyNow (www.democracynow.org). I have learned a lot from this site, my first favorite. The articles.
"Democracy is about the conditions that make it possible for ordinary people to better their lives by becoming political beings and by making power responsive to their hopes and needs."
The Republicans have convinced a majority of Americans that bettering their lives lies in combating and destroying atheists, secular humanists, abortionists, those who oppose prayer in the public schools, gun controlistas, homosexuals, etc. etc. etc. - an enormous list of "Enemies of the People". Meanwhile, the Republicans have also set a world's record in fleecing these same worthy people and their children and grandchildren of their financial futures and even now, as we stare over the cliff at the jagged rocks below where the skeletons of the Roman Empire, the British Empire, the Ottoman Empire, the Poobah Empire, ad nauseum, can still be seen, the Republicans stand a good chance of maintaining power and bringing to fruition Karl Rove's dream of Republican control of the entire Monopoly board, sending the Democrats and 305 million Americans to jail and leaving them there to rot and die. Americans need a king size dose of simple Common Sense and wake the fuck up! Then, and only then, can they become "political beings . . . making power responsive to their hopes and needs".
With 27% of the Merkin public still think Bush is doin' a heckuva job? -- ain't gonna happen. It would be a worry if there were 27 people. I'm sure even his family must cringe.
This is a good article, but Prof. Johnson furthers the incorrect theory of lumping voter's political alignments by regions. The real partisan political boundary, a very stark one, is between rural and suburban/exurban voters, and urban ones. Places like Georgia or Kansas vote conservative not because they are in the south or western plains, but because their populations are overwhelming rural or suburban. Go to the cities in either of these places (the actual cities, not suburbs) and they are full of democrat voters - but they are outnumbered by the suburbanites and rural voters.
Conversely, national or atatewide-office Democrats win in New York or (barely) Pennsylvnaia, only because city dwellers outnumber the suburban and rural dwellers. Go the the rural or suburban areas in Pennsylvania, New York, and even a lot of so-called ultra-liberal Vermont and the voters are as reactionary-right as anywhere in Wyoming or Texas.
Completely agree. If you look at any of the election maps that break voting patterns down by district instead of by state; and then compare it to a map showing urban density, it becomes clear that the more liberal people are concentrated in urban areas.
I'd guess that the two factors that matter most in explaining this phenomenon are density and diversity. People who live in closer proximity to others form patterns of living different from people who bump into fewer strangers as they go about their lives. And cities have much higher diversity (of every kind), so people develop tolerance for difference (or they self-select to the rural areas).
If this urban/non-urban dichotomy is in fact based on physical facts like density and diversity, then it is unlikely to change just through politics or media. Say the Republican Party crashes and burns utterly due to their economic policies and their concerted efforts to prevent effective government. There will still be two cultures pulling the country in different directions. Even if the issues change -- even if races stops being a factor as Krugman predicts, for example -- there will still be a split between people who can tolerate crowding and differences vs people who like fewer strangers and more similarity.
Of course, a thing that keeps this dichotomy in play politically is the Electoral College and the Senate, giving some states power disproportionate to their populations.
I'm with you guys.
The split between city folk and town folk as been an underlying cultural fact in social development throughout recorded History. Generally, the difference has remained fairly stark, whichever social circumstance actually arose because of it. But there are rare and intersting periods that go against the norm. The Monastic Christian movement after the Decline of Rome (focusing on the British Isles and especially in Hibernia) for instance, took an Urban Priesthood and moved them into purely rural landscapes. This was done quite explicitly to escape the cities of crumbling Rome.
The tolerant attitude (in this case "tolerant" means "reluctant to kill each other for little reason") of an essentially Urban and Mediterranean "Religion of the Book" -a product of high density and very high diversity- was brought to some of the most culturally and geographically isolated parts of Europe and had strange effects. Much of the warring for land, cattle, and small Kingships ceased and a sort of unofficial Agrarian Scholastic Theocracy was created that instead of imposing order on the old rural system, adopted it and adapted to it.
This situation was only interrupted by the migration of Germanic groups from the Mainland and the raids and eventual settlement of Nordic peoples from Scandinavia. In addition to the reintroduction of Rule by Physical Power and its resultant wars, these immigrants brought a return to (and in the case of Ireland the Establishment of) Urban Systems that had been absent for centuries.
The upshot of all of this for us is that these Monastic Systems, because of their peculiar focus on Scholarship, and ability to establish social connections fairly quickly and smoothly throughout Europe because of the still existing remnents of the Urban Church and Mainlaind Monastic Communities, acted as an "incubator" for much of the learning, culture, and history of the collapse Mediterranean culture. Thus the so-called "Dark Ages" were ended.
The relevance to today is that I believe the Suburban Living System (though especially the Auto-Suburb of the last half-century) to be such and "exceptional" situation.
Tens of millions of people are living an odd mix of Urban and Rural lifeways that mutates the traditional focuses of both. But on the socio-cultural level this infact creates something entirely new -the Suburban Person. A person who depends on and Urban system that he hates and fears, and romanticizes a Rural System that he takes no part in and has helped destroy. A person whose productive activity is Urban, but whose cultural outlook is a weird half-memory/half-myth of a Rural one.
Other factors make this situation exceptional. The movement to the Suburbs followed by only a few generations an earlier movement to the cities. Because of property and political issues, the Suburban movement normally grew around already existing Rural towns. Both of these give the Suburban Culture a greater Rural attitude. But the constant interaction with Urban Culture through transportation and communication technology (mostly TV) skews things yet again.
I would say that these unique "physical facts" can be seen as the driving force behind the social, cultural, and political outlooks of our time just as easily as anything else.
The exciting possibility for Today is that because of Energy and Economic factors that are acting against some of the technologies that allow for the unique Auto Suburb System to function, it may become unviable fairly soon and at quite a rapid rate.
Redensification around pretty much all population centers seems inevitible over the next period, as does the return of Rural Production Lifestyles like Agriculture for a high proportion of the population.
Accellerated diversification also seems certain as economic systems rebalance, political systems flux, and climate change affects local bioregions unevenly.
I think its gonna get interesting, and I'm glad that some folks are still thinking and talking about it. Makes me glad this damne election is almost over no matter how it turns out. We have more important things to discusss.
Don't Panic,
-matti.
Democrats have an Achilles Heel in the Midwest called abortion. People in the Midwest have historically voted life as their primary issue. That issue is softening somewhat because Republicans have failed to deliver on their promise to end abortion. So, if race through the Bradley Effect, and abortion opposition combine in the Midwest, Obama could be shocked on election day.
The Democrats and Obama, by openly supporting abortion, will possibly once again elect a Republican who will complete the transformation of America to Fascism.
I know that many here do not see it this way but, from my perspective, support for abortion is extremism evidenced by the continuing move of America to the extreme right. Abortion does not have to be an article of faith among Progressives. There are alternatives and compromises available.
My view: We live in a culture of death. To defeat the culture of death a culture of life must be embraced. Not just the limited view of life confined to abortion but an expanded view of life that is anti war, anti abortion except for rape, incest, or a threat to the life of the mother, anti imperialist, anti military industrial complex, pro redistribution of wealth through tough and extensive remaking of tax policy and law, strongly pro environment, strongly pro family, strongly anti poverty, people centered policy making, universal health care, anti consumer economy, pro organic food, locavore lifestyles, and ending dominionist beliefs in organized religions. You get the picture.
By the continuing support of abortion by Democrats I believe strongly that we are seriously putting at risk the potential for a life culture. It is evident that extremism on the left has given rise and form to extremism on the right.
Most if not all of the states in which abortion is a key issue are solid states for McCain - the few that are, actually!
Why not just say you are anti-abortion? I wouldn't argue with you because you are locked in on that, just like I'm pro-choice, solidly.
Don't forget us folks that are solidly against abortion, but would never vote for any law that doesn't allow choice.
I don't believe in abortion but I could never feel I had the moral right to impose my choice on someone else or to judge them for their decision.
Good point. This is a stance that many of us take, I believe.
While we may find one "side" of the question more personally compelling, I believe too many of us know women who were negatively affected by choosing EITHER to abort or not to say for sure which choice is best, or correct, or right.
It must come down not just to each woman, but to each situation, otherwise imposition one way or another will always result in injustice. Therefore this is what the Law should allow, for each situation to be considered by each individual Citizen as individual. So both laws compelling abortion and laws compelling carrying to full term are impossible to justify with regards only to the Citizen and her Rights.
This is why anti-abortion groups have focused on what they call the "child", and what is truly -until it can survive outside the womb- a "potential child". It skews everything completely and makes the argument about something someone is doing to someone ELSE, instead of to one's SELF.
The pro-choice groups have essentially fallen into a trap on this. By focusing on the "right" -seemingly specifically- to an abortion based on court decisions and on simplistic, emotional appeals to "choice" that sound almost like the complaints of teenage girls, these groups have allowed the debate to occur on their enemies terms.
The relevant question to the Law is NOT the question of when a fetus is "Life", that is a question for religion and philosophy. The question for the Law is when does a "potential" person (or potential Citizen) become a person? On this question, we can turn to hard science and basic common sense. After birth? For Sure. A few months before birth? Fairly certain even without much intervention (plus abortion at this time is much more harmful. Much before this? Arguable, but certainly limited by scientific understanding and technological capability.
This would seem to give us a range of time or growth where we could say that a potential person becomes a person and must therefore be treated as such under the Law. Before that time the Law sees -whatever religion and philosophy see- only ONE PERSON, and therefore only seeks to uphold the rights of that ONE PERSON. Any Law compelling a Citizen to either reach or fail to reach the point where the "potentiality" of a person inside them changes to "inevitability" of such would result in injustice.
Of course this still leaves plenty of room to agrue about "where" exactly, this point is. And of course there must be exceptions based on circumstances, as in many laws. But it reframes the entire debate onto terms that assume a "window of oppotunity" where what a Citizen does is stricly her (and anyone she chooses to involve) business. A "window" that -happily- allows a sufficient time to make a true decision and contemplate consequences AND ends around the time that any attempt to abort would be most physically dangerous and emotionally traumatic.
If any political Party would or candidate would approach the matter from this angle, I believe they would recieve significant and lasting backing from many people.
Don't Panic,
-matti.
Because the issue of life is larger than abortion.
Actually... it IS conceivable. Imagine: if everyone who continues to stay stuck in voting for "D"'s and "R"'s, and voted say for Ralph Nader, that would go a long long way towards changing everything - and putting us in the directions we need to go: less militarism, abandoning trickle down economics, ending our terrorism, starting the real task of new energy policies, no more bailouts, no more capitulation. For now we just have to keep chipping away at this disgusting one-party so-called two-party system that holds us all hostage and destroys all of our lives.
Progressiveparty
Well said. When so many people claim that Nader does not have a chance of becoming president, then it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. But if the mainstream media actually devoted as much of its coverage to Nader as it does to the other two corporate candidates, then Nader would be able to get his message and his ideas and his platform into the public forum, and thus be able to demonstrate to the American people that his ideas are vastly more progressive than that of Barack Obama.
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We can beat the MSM by using the INTERNET...
Spread the word.Go to all the blogs.
Nader for President.
What say you America ?????
VOTE NADER/GONZALEZ 2008… You’ll be glad you did and so will I…
http://www.votenader.org/index.html
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I say a candidate needs a political party.
NYCartist
Why, so he or she can, unlike Nader, accept money from the corporate interests?
You mean like the Republican election funds and volunteer work that has been donated to and accepted by Ralph Nader? That surely counts as "corporate interest money", why do you ignore it? Face it, your candidate is a sellout working for Republican interests. He doesn't even bother to hide it anymore, he just rationalizes it.
Nader accepts Republican money to split the lib/progressive vote. It's what they pay him for. Limbaugh and Coulter and Gingrich all recognize the role he has in helping Republicans, why can't you recognize it as well?
Unless, of course, you're one of the Republican volunteers assigned to assist.
.Nader accepts money from any individual, you accept lies and distortions from who knows where and believe it smells like roses...it doesnt.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Wait, Erroll, I think NY Cartist makes a valuable contribution. Try to see the statements as well couched in the reality of the times we subsist under, rather than an attempt to "fold it all into the prevailing mode", as it were.
I despise such terms as "3rd party" because it is misleading. We don´t need a "3rd party". The issue is in no way about such.
We desperately must have a legitimate representative body before worse events unfold than should be imagined.
A grassroots nationwide movement will establish a new breed of representation, although the concept itself is as old as...there will be no need of nor any acceptance of any form of support (bribery) from the enemy to human brotherhood from such a representative of the public/global wellbeing.
However, without a visible and viable platform that can be readily demonstrated and propounded in a coherent and rational manner, (on the local and regional levels across the nation) no alternative to criminal rule can be established at all. So, yes, a party is required without a doubt, but note that this in no way entails a party operating under the known to have failed premises of the past.
B
I agree with your penultimate sentence "However, without a visible and viable platform..." As Ralph Nader has repeatedly said, one of the ways to make that platform visible is by allowing third party and independent and socialist candidates to participate, for example, in the presidential debates. Nader [and I agree with him] believes that if more candidates other than Democrats and Republicans are exposed to the American people then their ideas can resonate with the citizens of this country and the people can finally acknowledge that other candidates deserve to be heard. And when they are heard then their ratings in the polls will undoubtedly go up. But it becomes a Catch-22 situation because those who control the debates have been previously connected to the two major parties and are most loath to allow other candidates to challenge those such as Obama and McCain. The committees which control these debates claim that they will not allow other candidates to enter the debates because they do not have high enough numbers in the polls but if they received more exposure in the public forum this is much more likely to happen. This, I believe, is one of the keys in getting other voices to be heard and seen by the American people, by getting them on that stage with a Democrat and a Republican. But as long as the powers to be shut out other candidates, then true democracy ends up suffering the consequences of the actions of those who are in power.
Erroll,
Truly, you are right, it is a deliberate Catch 22;
The excuse sucker pitch: "they don´t have high enough ratings to warrant, bla bla.."
The already known result: Alternatives to criminal corporate rule are silenced.
Is there not some way that we the people can develop our own media platform? No, I don´t mean the internet, I mean a broadcasting service that ... overrides ... others at specific, oh let´s say primetime, intervals during which the legitimate candidates for offices of public representation present their platforms as well as presentations of news judged best not printed/televised by the corporate propaganda machinery?
The candidates themselves will be given every opportunity to be interviewed and to answer, at any length they deem necessary, the questions posed, the issues that they feel need presenting, as well as their platforms for good governance in accordance with the peoples will and needs.
What? That´s illegal? Are you sure?
Can somebody please direct me to an education in a hurry, because I thought that a private consortium that refuses to allow freedom of speech and equal exposure to the body politic was the crime...
Hard as it may be to believe in it...yet...the time may in fact have come that a genuine grassroots movement to...not so much "elect" Nader, but to utilize the power of Nader as a national icon, an image--
(it is after all THEIR gameplan, and it DOES seem to work doesn´t it?)
--in order to galvanize enough Americans to simply send a very clear message to the corporate criminal cabal in temporary control of global processes...
The proverbial jig is up.
"Normal" methods, ie, media access, press coverage, major outlets etc., will obviously not only be unusable, they will do all in their power to discredit, avoid, delay, derail any effort that is "on the screen".
This has to be done in a much more subtle, direct manner.
Popular Movements largely start by rumor rather than by being overly publicized in MSM. Those people get on board when they start to sense the smell of...profit. By then it will be far too late, if such a movement can be developed.
But then, time is short, and this may be the next effort that needs all of us to take immediate steps to make it so in the next campaign, rather than the means for changing this particular criminal charade.
Sadly, the two things that prevent people from coming out from the the thumb of our two/one party dictatorship is 1) the mindset that sees this as similar to a horse race (or other sport, pick your favorite) in which they see that the third party candidates don't have a chance so won't vote for them. They are placing a bet, wanting a winner, not voting their conscience. 2)The fact that most of the electorate truly don't realize that there are alternatives out there and this is because they see and buy into the idea that the mainstream media is all they have or need. Our corporate owners depend on this to keep us under control. Remember, for them it's about profits, and third parties aren't profitable.
the biggest obstacle to democracy on voting day - as it was in '00 and '04 - could well be the diebold voting machines
this company and its presiding officers should be in jail but in the us anything goes, as we see with the big bailout/pork package
it was stalin who said that he couldn't care less about the voters - he wanted control of the people who count the votes
that's what the gop have
in the more than 80 contested voting districts (and the state of ohio) all the vote rigging has gone for the gop
just ask max cleland who lost his re-election when the diebold machines flipped the vote
as the public does their deer in the headlight thing
cheers, b
Ohio's Dem governor and Atty. Gen., are ttrying to do alot to see that that doesnt happen. The problem in 2004, is that, they brought out-of-state (Texas) voter challengers (mostly in minority collegs and neighborhoods); caged voters; put fewer machines in poor neighborhoods.
We had an ass-wipe Gov. (Taft) and his Sec. (J. Kenneth Blackwell) who was in charge of elections, denied to put a paper trail on the machines, and was the Chair of the Re-Elect Bush campaign.
We have rescinded the "photo ID" law ( it amounts to a poll tax), blocked challengers, blocked the use of foreclosures for caging, and now have to paper trail (Thanks to Gov Strickland and AG Bruner)
I cannot say that it will not happen and ( I will not be at the pols this year--I was with moveon.org in 2004). But, it makes it alot less likely.
As Florida goes, I think alot of Floridians feel that their delegates were dis-enfranchised. This could be a problem.
Why is it that when I try to read the article about Nader in Maine, I keep getting an "access denied" message? Is this happening to everybody else? Everything else is working fine on the site...
I'm getting the same blocked access - might be the original source not allowing the link?
Progressiveparty
Perhaps the link here will help you to gain access to the article.
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2008/10/07-12
One can't be certain, but I think these "forbidden access" problems are just glitches in the software, or an Unseen Techie doing or not-doing something wrong.
Sometimes articles are posted without a comments feature, but I've noticed that eventually one turns up.
One reason I've (unsuccessfully) argued for interactive sites including a dedicated "window" of communication between the users and the Unseen Webmaster is to reduce the overall uncertainty that feeds paranoia.
CSPAN had the best forum going...
then shut it down.
Shame on them...
Had just what you called for.
.I have emailed the webmaster on three separate occasions regarding glitches and other issues. I have received nothing in reply. Yet they want a donation from me...yeah certainly, but now Im busy building a snowman at the devil's door.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Not to worry. I had the same problem, momentarily.
You should be able to access by now.
If not, well you know where to find the editor!
No, the 'fate of the nation' does NOT hang in the balance of voting for Obama, or not. The fate of the nation resides in whether or not the American people get eventually fed up with both the two corporate parties, or not. Until they do, all these liberals will keep trying to do as the Right Wing Church folk do. Both will try to convince you that the 'fate of the nation' is at stake in your 'vote' in this pretend democracy our Business Community Kleptocracy runs.
These 'you gotta vote for the Democrats pieces' do get so tiresome and boring!
BRAVO! Well said!!!
I quite agree; another "fate of the nation" piece from one who has written of the dire "fate" of the country on the world scene no matter who wins the election. How could Johnson have ignored his own descriptions of the "imperalism and militarism" that affects both parties and candidates? His electoral analysis is not that bad, if also not that original, but his breathless statement about the fatefulness of this election suggests that his analytic brain went into neutral when contemplating the election's outcome.
Logansafi....now there is someone who can TRULY be said to have their "eye on the ball..."
Thanks!
"The fate of the nation resides in whether or not the American people get eventually fed up with both two corporate parties"
I'm fed up! Both Obama and McCain are paid hired hands for the corporations. More money from financial institutions went to Obama than McCain! They know he is theirs. He works for them not us. Haven't you been paying attention?
Have any of us seen a list from the Obama supporters about what Obama has done for the people - not the rich ones, the average people.
Their arguments consist almost entirely of "I believe!" or "He is more likely than McCain" but no one gives any evidence for this faith of theirs.
Come on Obama supporters, give us the facts!
The facade of democracy needs a new coat of paint. The Painters know this. There's a huge loss of credibility in Washington and Wall Street by the serfs.
The convergence of these many problems, including the bailout, the new police state to name a couple, don't happen without reason and strategy.
Obama WILL BE the next president, and a new coat of paint will be applied to make enough believers in order to restart the scam all over again.
New facade. Same rotten and parasitic infestation within the foundation of the basic structure.
Vote Nader.
"Those numbers won't change, regardless who's elected. It's not even "on the table" for discussion."
I'm not so sure Rich. I know the military is certainly talking about it. This may be one of those times when we do something we should do (reduce the number of bases) because we have to (save the money)
And if people would just pay attention we could get rid of the private contractors. YEA!
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JJ08Ak03.html
"Pentagon comptroller Tina Jonas...said the US military wanted an increase of $57 billion in fiscal 2010, about 13.5% more than this year's budget of $514.3 billion."
Well, we'd better be by God sure they don't get it. They don't need it. The budget is more than enough, we need to get rid of the contractors and the BS. We need to bring it down, not go up.
Thomas More
I suggest passing on that sensible suggestion to candidate Obama since he is advocating that the bloated military budget be increased yet again, apparently to justify more American imperialism.
I'd be happy to pass it on to him or any other silly bugger that thinks we need to spend more on the military. The budget could be decreased in my opinion with better management.
Ask this question...what is the ratio of officers to enlisted men? what is the ratio of officers to non-commisioned officers?
Erroll October 7th, 2008 4:00 pm
Thomas More
"I suggest passing on that sensible suggestion to candidate Obama since he is advocating that the bloated military budget be increased yet again, apparently to justify more American imperialism."
He not only wants to increase the budget he wants to increase the troop levels by about 95,000.
Lobo Gris