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The Government, the Media and Afghanistan
On the night of August 22, the U.S. committed what Chris Floyd, in a richly detailed and amply documented piece, calls an "atrocity" in the Afghan village of Azizabad, near the western city of Herat. The U.S. conducted a massive midnight airstrike on the village, killing scores of unarmed civilians, including large numbers of women and children. That was preceded just weeks earlier by another U.S. airstrike in Eastern Afghanistan which "killed 27 people in a wedding party -- most of them women and children, including the bride."
What makes the Azizabad attack particularly notable is the blatant and now clearly demonstrated lying engaged in by the U.S. Government regarding this incident, with the eager propagandistic assistance of what we are constantly told is the "legitimate news arm" of Fox News -- namely, Brit Hume's show and his stable of "legitimate news reporters." Working in unison, Fox and the Pentagon continuously denied claims that large numbers of civilians had been killed in the airstrike, accusing the villagers of lying and U.N. investigators of having been "duped." But a mountain of documentary evidence and independent investigations have now conclusively confirmed that it was the U.S. Government that was lying and the villagers' claims which were true along, forcing the military to "reinvestigate" its own conclusions.
While local villagers, the Afghan government, U.N. investigators, and independent journalists all insisted that the U.S. air attack resulted in the slaughter of 95 civilians, including 50 children, and killed no Taliban fighters, the U.S. military repeatedly issued vehement denials of those claims, insisting for weeks "that only 5 to 7 civilians, and 30 to 35 militants, were killed in what it [said] was a successful operation against the Taliban." The Bush administration even "accused the villagers of spreading Taliban propaganda" and claimed "that the villagers fabricated such evidence as grave sites," even though those "villagers have connections to the Afghan police, NATO or the Americans through reconstruction projects, and they say they oppose the Taliban."
But a gruesome video has now surfaced clearly documenting the huge number of civilians that were killed. A very thorough, independent, on-the-scene investigation by the New York Times' Carlotta Gall -- who Floyd, a former colleague of Gall at The Moscow Times, rightly hailed as a truly intrepid war reporter -- resulted in the discovery of mountains of new documentary evidence and highly credible and pro-U.S. witnesses confirming not only that at least 90 civilians were killed, but also casting serious doubt on the U.S.'s claim that there were even any Taliban in the village at all.
There are numerous vital issues raised by this episode relating both to the bombing and particularly how the U.S. Government so frequently issues false claims, but in light of all the recent uproar over what is and is not "appropriate journalism," I want to focus for the moment on Fox News' role in this. When the U.S. military originally was denying the villagers' claim, the Pentagon claimed it had had conducted an investigation and that an unnamed "independent journalist" who happened to be with them confirmed their account that large numbers of Taliban were among the dead and only very few unarmed civilians were. But then this was revealed:
The US military said that its findings were corroborated by an independent journalist embedded with the US force. He was named as the Fox News correspondent Oliver North, who came to prominence in the 1980s Iran-Contra affair, when he was a[ Marine] colonel.That "independent journalist" is the same person who, in 1986, proudly went before Congress and boasted: "I will tell you right now, counsel, and to all the members here gathered, that I misled the Congress," and then justified that lying -- and to this day still justifies it -- on the ground that it was for a greater good. That behavior -- which led to multiple felony convictions that were ultimately overturned because he had received immunity in connection with his testimony -- hasn't prevented North from being employed as a "reporter" by the serious, legitimate news arm of Fox News, nor from appearing regularly on Brit Hume's Serious News Show as a journalist, nor being cited as an "independent journalist" by the U.S. military to confirm its claims and accuse Afghan villagers of lying about the number of their dead.
That it was Oliver North who turned out to be the U.S. military's vaunted "independent journalist" verifying its claims about the Azizabad raids was revealed by Fox on the September 8 edition of "Special Report with Brit Hume," which was guest-anchored by "journalist" Jim Angle. At the top of the show, this is what Angle "reported":
In Afghanistan, FOX has exclusive pictures of what happened in a U.S. raid which some locals claim killed civilians. A FOX crew tells a different story.Nobody -- other than Brit Hume's news show -- ever denied that civilians were killed in this airstrike. The only "debate" -- prior to the emergence of documentary evidence -- was over how many were killed. Yet Fox began by telling its pitifully misled viewers that while "some locals claim [the airstrike] killed civilians," "a Fox crew" had a "different story."
Later in the show, Angle introduced the segment this way:
The U.S. military is reopening an investigation into an operation led by American forces that some now say resulted in the deaths of dozens of Afghan civilians. Video allegedly taken at the scene appears to show images of dead children, but a FOX crew went along on that mission and has exclusive pictures that tell a different story.Angle then introduced Fox News "national security correspondent" Jennifer Griffin, and this is what Fox viewers heard:
GRIFFIN: So what did happen during the 2:00 a.m. raid into Azizabad? The Special Forces teams involved have been muzzled pending the new investigation, but FOX News cameramen Chris Jackson and Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North happened to be embedded with the Marine Special Forces Unit involved in the raid. This is their video exclusive to FOX News. They witnessed the entire operation firsthand.Fox's news show -- not Bill O'Reilly, but Brit Hume's "legitimate news program" -- continued to insist, based upon the "reporting" of "journalist" Oliver North and his cameraman, that the U.S. military's original claims were true, and the villagers and the U.N. were lying, even as the U.S. military itself was, in light of the ample evidence, severely backtracking on its story:CHRIS JACKSON, FOX NEWS CAMERAMAN: I had the freedom to rein all over the objective, go to anywhere I wanted to go, and I saw the dead combatants. And they were wearing bandoleers and holding AK-47s.
GRIFFIN: Special military investigators showed the FOX team satellite photos of the graveyards near Azizabad taken before and after the raid. Quote, "Though only about 15 new graves were evident in nearby cemeteries and no local civilians had sought medical treatment for wounds," North wrote in his blog on August 29th, "the number of noncombatant casualties allegedly inflicted in the raid continued to rise."
JACKSON: I've worked in war zones and disaster areas for a long time, so I'm used to seeing large numbers of dead people. I did not see this in Azizabad. I went through the rubble, I went through the buildings, the main objectives. And what I saw was primarily enemy combatants. What I saw matched is the number of the U.S. Army figure of how many people were killed.
GRIFFIN: A press release from the original military investigation concluded, "Investigators discovered firm evidence that the militants planned to attack a nearby coalition forces base. Other evidence collected included weapons, explosives, intelligence materials, and an access badge to a nearby base as well as photographs from inside and outside of the base.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
The U.S. decision to again probe the Aug. 21 attack in Azizabad, near the western city of Herat, came at the urging of Gen. David D. McKiernan, the top NATO commander in Afghanistan. McKiernan said he was prompted by "emerging evidence" that threw into question the finding of a U.S. investigation that five to seven civilians died. McKiernan had earlier said he concurred with that finding. . . .It is hardly uncommon for claims by the U.S. Government regarding the multiple countries in which our "War on Terror" is being waged to be vehemently disputed by a whole array of people. The only difference here is that video, other documentary evidence, and independent investigations have all emerged confirming the falsity of the U.S. Government's claims."The footage that is there on this shows horrendous pictures of these bodies and clearly identifies women and children. In some cases, the bodies are not in one piece," a U.N. official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity. "Whether you say it was 76 or 82 or even 92 -- it was clearly not seven who were killed there."
Said a senior U.S. military official: "Whatever information McKiernan got that was shared by Afghan and U.N. representatives led him to believe there was good cause to want to look at all of this more deeply."
This is what I found so deeply bothersome and inane about this week's hand-wringing over the oh-so-"undignified" spats between various MSNBC personalities during the Convention and the Threat to the Integrity of American Journalism posed by such squabbling, or by the oh-so-inappropriate placement of "blatant liberals" in the sacred anchor chair. There is an entire cable "news" outlet, the highest-rated one in the country, which exists for little reason other than to amplify and certify false government claims -- it's literally nothing more than an outlet for state-issued propaganda -- and our leading news critics and even other "journalists" praise and treat its "news" anchors as legitimate and credible sources of news (and for those who want to claim that Brit Hume is something other than a nakedly partisan right-wing propagandist, see here, here, and here, just for starters).
Way beyond Fox, this is the same thing that our media generally (and with some important exceptions) has been doing for years, at least -- mindlessly repeating and confirming false Government claims. That's what makes Carlotta Gall's on-scene actual investigation of the Pentagon's Afghanistan claims so notable -- it's so unusual. From Jessica Lynch's heroic Rambo-like firefight to Pat Tillman's murder by Al Qaeda monsters to pre-war claims of the Iraqi menace to post-war claims of Glorious Progress to current claims of the Grave Russian and Iranian Threats to the concealment and then justification of virtually every act of government radicalism over the last eight years, our media has, by and large, done what Fox News did in the Azizabad case -- offer itself up as an uncritical conduit for state propaganda.
And that's to say nothing of their more overt propagandistic activities -- the still-extraordinary fact that for the last seven years, virtually every American news program has employed as "independent analysts" people who were part of a formal, coordinated and likely illegal U.S. Government propaganda program run out of the Pentagon, a program which resulted in countless false stories broadcast by these networks to boost Government lies. And even after all of that was revealed and documented on the front page of the NYT, these media outlets -- all 3 networks, plus CNN and others -- continue to employ the propagandists, and worse, refuse even to tell their viewers about what happened, or even to disclose to their viewers the existence of the story, and then -- at best -- actually defend it all when forced on their obscure blogs to mention it.
Keith Olbermann may be more overtly opinionated and devoted to a particular presidential candidate than a classical Brokawian "anchor" should be, and it's certainly reasonable to say that he, Chris Matthews, Joe Scarborough and David Schuster have acted like adolescent clowns on television, but spending time focusing on that as some sort of grave threat to American journalism is like taking a patient whose vital organs are drowning in Stage 4 cancer and obsessing about his hangnail.
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Independent of the Government lying and Fox News propaganda, the massacre of Azizabad civilians highlights the massive yet largely ignored questions about what we are doing in Afghanistan and whether -- regardless of one's views of the original invasion -- we are achieving any good at all. As Floyd wrote yesterday:
The mass death visited upon the sleeping, defenseless citizens of Azizabad encapsulates many of the essential elements of this global campaign of "unipolar domination" and war profiteering: the callous application of high-tech weaponry against unarmed civilians; the witless attack that alienates local supporters and empowers an ever-more violent and radical insurgency; and perhaps the most quintessential element of all -- the knowing lies and deliberate deceits that Washington employs to hide the obscene reality of its Terror War.Over at Nieman Watchdog, The Washington Post's Dan Froomkin interviewed experts in the region who cite numerous questions that ought to be asked about the wisdom of our continuing occupation of Afghanistan, including "Are we bombing our way to disaster in Afghanistan?" And as Froomkin himself put it yesterday in his Post chat:
Civilian deaths -- which the civilians may well consider murder -- tend to turn people against us.I was kind of amazed that Bush raised the issue at all in yesterday's speech, but he did. I was really amazed, however, at how cavalier he sounded: "Regrettably, there will be times when our pursuit of the enemy will result in accidental civilian deaths. This has been the case throughout the history of warfare. Our nation mourns the loss of every innocent life. Every grieving family has the sympathy of the American people."
I mean, c'mon. It's a bit hard to convince people that our nation mourns the loss of every innocent life when we don't even acknowledge them.
Most striking of all is that the "issues" of least significance, of zero import, are the ones which receive the most attention in the "political debates" conducted by our media -- pigs and lipstick and bowling scores and lapel pins and windsurfing tights -- while the ones of greatest significance are virtually ignored. And that is highly unlikely to change between now and November. To know why, just compare these two statements -- first, from McCain campaign manager Rick Davis ("This election is not about issues. This election is about a composite view of what people take away from these candidates") and this one from MSNBC's Joe Scarborough (media will talk about "[w]hatever the McCain campaign wants us to talk about"). When Tom Brokaw expresses concern about any of that, then his profound concerns over undignified journalism can be taken seriously.
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46 Comments so far
Show AllI wonder if things would have turned out better for us if the US congress and the courts had put Oliver North and his white house bosses in jail when they had the chance.
I see Obama and his buddies haven’t learned a thing as they tip toe over the dead bodies towards their turn in the white house rumpus room.
Oliver North is a war criminal, every bit as much as the ones "serving " in teh WH today. Reagan was a war criminal. Bush needs impeached.
But what happens if someone tries to perpetuate justice? "move on"!
Next we will hear from the Obama and McCain camps that the Afghanis have $100 billion in their kitty so they can pay reparations.
With the corporate media only covering corporate candidates with little difference between them, the story is bound to deteriorate into lipstick and lapel pins.
Yesterday at least 3 third party cadidates got together to agree on four basic issues. The News Hour on PBS dismissed this with a glancing comment about Ron Paul. Given they are the MSM outlet with the least corporate influence and most citizen/member accountability please take a minute to let them know how you feel about third parties and their coverage.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/aboutus/feedback/2008/convention/2008/08/con...
Also you can read the agreement here
http://www.votenader.org/weagree/
Thank You
And thank you Glenn Greewald for another thorough account.
I agree desertdreamer - Everyone should read this. http://www.votenader.org/weagree/
America had a golden opportunity to crush Al Quaida and the Taliban in Afghanistan where they were at but they FUCKING BLEW IT by going to Iraq via lies for oil cronies. No wonder America LOST.
By the way, why is the airport at Newark, NJ not being held accountable for failure to stop the 19 hijackers? Had the airport done its job, America wouldn't be stuck with BIG GOVERNMENT NAZISM of adding a useless DHS when there's already DoD, empowering the FBI and CIA when they didn't even pick up on the info beforehand, etc ... Government that policies the least governs the best. How long will America keep borrowing from China to keep the shit alive ? Wait until China hits the FORECLOSURE SWITCH !
Barbara Bush should have paddled her errant child when he started blowing frogs up with
fire crackers. Now he's blowing people up all over the world and killing America as well.
Is this war crime really a case of piss poor child rearing or is this how born again christians murder their way to victory? Jesus must be so pleased with this slaughter of the innocents!
I suggest that George Bush mutilated and killed animals, and advocated torture (branding with red-hot wire) for hazing in college *because* he was paddled (and abused in other ways), not because he wasn't. Now he's killed well over a million innocent people.
For details of this argument read Alice Miller's work at her website (www.alice-miller.com/) and also at http://www.nospank.net/fyog.htm.
A nice chant at Obama rallies would be this:
"How many more Afghan civilians
are you going to kill?"
The same chant would be appropriate for McCain rallies.
Glenn Greenwald continues to be one of the most reliable and consistent journalists. This piece is right on the money.
For more independent views you can visit:
http://www.cincinnatibeacon.com
http://chriscommons.blogspot.com
KeLeMi
If Bush concentrated his efforts here, instead of lying our way into Iraq, we wouldn't have these problems.
. . . lipstick and lapel pins.
When the current national motto of the United States - "F*&# You" - becomes shopworn and in need of replacement (as all advertising slogans eventually do) "lipstick and lapel pins" would make a great substitute.
50% of Americans believe reporters are helping Obama - SHEEPLES comes to mind. http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/31737/reporters_are_helping_obama_say_americans/
"Our nation mourns the loss of every innocent life. Every grieving family has the sympathy of the American people."
And considering how "we" have "accidentally" killed and maimed over a million innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan and Pakistan and Somalia and Lebanon, the American people will be mourning and grieving for, like, the next 200 years...
But, seriously, GG, Brittany's back, baby, and Paris has a new flick about herself - get yer priorities straight, dude!
death and lies - the american legacy
someday these pricks will be in the docket looking down their noses at the hangman
i got 50 bucks that says cheney will drop dead from a heart attack and bush will shit his pants
cheers, b
The local newspaper here in southernest California features Oliver North's column. The progressive community is overwhelmed by the MIC and cheerleaders for Team Bush.
It's not easy being green. Especially in a red desert.
Do you like this? You can vote for more of this kind of killings if you vote for Obama and McCain - more of the same. A Vote for Obama A Vote for McCain is a Vote for more of the same.
A war newly packaged with shiny greek colums, and glittering fireworks at a stadium full of .... is still a war. It stinks. A war with lipstick is still a war.
http://almusawwir.org/resistance/
OK, this is an appeal to all posters.
I know that PBS is probably no different than the rest of the corporate TV news.
I know that we can not agree on who to vote for come Nov.
Do you ever wonder what we can do??
PBS is asking for comments on their election coverage, and in the last day they have got a flood of comments asking for better third party coverage. What would the race be like if they changed their coverage in the next 2 months?
I know that results are not likely, but please give them your 2 cents.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/aboutus/feedback/2008/convention/2008/08/conv.html
thanks
dreamer:sent them a comment.
The whole truth and nothing but the truth.Everything else is opinion and we know what they say about opinions.Tony
Done and done...I saw Oaknots fine post there and added my own:
Posted:
09/11/08 at
05:15 PM Ardee: Never before in the modern history of this nation has the need for third party representation been greater than it is today. With both major parties become beholden to those who provide the ever increasing need for money to buy elections the presence of third party candidates pledged to shun such donations is essential to our continued democracy. I would beg you to provide coverage for those candidates who work diligently for our nation and do so handicapped by the blackout of their efforts by the media.
We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Great article. O'Bama will need Oily North as his Secretary of War, for War on Pakistan, and will need Brat Hume for his Secretary of Propaganda.
&YYY&
Rules of war are now just rules of media, where nothing must throw blemish on the presidential beauty contests or the record of the VS government. This war of choice on Afghanistan, was originally a preemptive and presumptive terrorist hunt and now serves multiple purposes, one of them a happy civilian kill shopping spree, followed by wait for the next reprisal ambush.
Afghanistan is a Vampire States military product testing site, where latest models and techniques can be compared by body counts. It is a NATO blood bonding party, to keep the errant European States in thrall to the VS. Its an insult to the Russians because we can stick around and continue to whack the local populations in firing range, even if they happen to be in Pakistan, whereas the previous Russian invaders relented pretty quickly. There is also an oil pipeline in the mess somewhere. It is a black hole for trillions of VS dollars. Its a money laundering site for military corporations. It is an abattoir for VS grunts.
I have seen no official definite goal of the mission that relates to reported activities. Maybe its over when all the terrorists and civilians are dead.
"the previous Russian invaders relented pretty quickly"... What!!???
10 years and a huge cost in every way possible (including high % of soldiers addicted to the omnipresent opium/heroine) that was one of the main contributing factors to the collapse of the Soviet Union!! And they were forcing a rabidly anti-Islamist, godless communist gov't down their throats, just to add to the challenge. Don't you have access to Google and Wikipedia?
The US badly wants control of Afghanistan to be able to put the pipeline (planned since the 90s) to transport oil and gas from the Caspian (2nd to Saudi Arabia in reserves, if the area is taken as a whole) to Pakistan/India. Find a map that shows where the proposed pipeline would go, and find a map that shows the US bases. OMG! they coincide. No security of territory, no pipeline for huge $$$ for Haliburton and other US oil giants.
And with the energy struggle in the Middle East and Central Asia that Cheney was bleating about endlessly in the 90s when he was CEO of Haliburton (and deep in PNAC), having a puppet gov't and lots of US military bases next to Iran (squeezing it with Iraq on the other side), Pakistan, close to China, etc., etc... The geopolitical importance is huge, and totally obvious.
There's no frivolity and "war on terror" silliness about that occupation. Nothing could be more obvious: What the hell would the US do if they captured OBL? Put him on trial in the US!!???? So he could have his supreme wet dream and be able to detail CIA involvement in the very inception of his movement, etc., etc., with the whole world hanging on to his every word?
Or to kill him, and what...declare the "war on terror' over? The "war on terror" was a pretext, the response to Cheney's Pearl Harbour-like event (9/11) that would shake the Americans free of their lack of stomach to see young US soldiers killed and abused in foreign lands (after the Somalia debacle), so that the PNAC crowd could follow their global imperialistic designs. They never wanted OBL. It's obvious.
"I have seen no official definite goal of the mission that relates to reported activities." The goal is OCCUPATION...same as that other place...where is it..? Oh, yeah...IRAQ!! The Cheney gang stupidly thought they could maintain a puppet gov't. We'll see where they're at when they've been at it as long as the Soviets in 2011.
And the question that no one is asking is:
Is Osama in China?
Hmmmm.......
Interesting question, and I'll bite.
I would contend that OBL is NOT in China. It is an interesting question, that suggests that by doing so, China could conduct a shadow war using Al Quaeda operatives. This shadow war has demonstrated itself to be extraordinarily effective. With a relatively small investment, China could financially and ethically bankrupt the most powerful nation on the planet.
I would also suggest that the risk is too great. The fallout if it were discovered that OBL was in China (and the Chinese knew about it) would be horrifying.
But if you are asking if OBL is in China without the knowledge of the Chinese Government, then that IS interesting. What do you think would happen if just one CIA analyst says the trail leads into China?
I'd suggest he is clandestinely in Tajikistan. Tajiks are culturally similar to the Afghans, so he probably has quite a few supporters there.
OBL is Arab, from Saudi Arabia. He has no relationship with Afghanistan at all except that it was obviously a perfect place for a Jihad against a godless (communist) occupying force in a Muslim country that is perfect for Jihad. Loaded with very religious, backwards Muslims who happen to be amongst the toughest fighters in the world, having chased out Alexander the Great and the Brits, among others. Basically every boy of 10 and up has a gun and can use it. Fierce fighters with the reputation (for those who know) of not allowing anybody to occupy them.
The old saying is that it's extremely easy to fight your way in, almost impossible to fight your way out. There has never been a strong central gov't, so the armed forces of the central gov't never amount to anything. Beating them is easy. Then the multitudes of militias will drive you out. And with the impenetrable 'badlands' of Pakistan next to the border, in a country (Pakistan) where the secret service ISI is infiltrated and largely controlled by Islamists. Perfect spot for OBL and the CIA (in cahoots) to hand the USSR 'their Vietnam' as Zbigniew Brzezinski called it.
But the Afghans, in general, always had problems with the arrogant 'Arabs' who never fit it. Any reason why you wouldn't agree with everybody that OBL is very likely in Pakistan where the secret service is on his side...?? Where there are impenetrable autonomous areas where the Pakistan gov't has no control, and where he is impossible to find, protected by people who share his ideas.
China!!!?????
Paul Siemering
Hard to know where to begin with this. In the first weeks of the bombing of Afghanistan- that's seven years ago- reports of civilian deaths were weekly, sometimes daily events. The pattern since then has never changed- the villagers on the ground where the bombs fell tell us what happened, the military spokesman says no it didn't, then a week or two later admits it did but hey- that's war, and no one is more careful than the u.s. blah blah. A seven year atrocity, and two dingbats running for president who promise even worse to come.
Afghanistan has been at war in some way for over 30 years. 30 years of different countries religions what have you trying to kill Afghans or change them into something they are not. When is the last time the Taliban or what ever flavour the WH paints the enemy this week have ever attacked the USA? I am sick of the USA painting itself as the guys on the white horse saving the day. It is pure BS.
I would like to see that anytime a person on TV says 911 it is bleeped out just like F or SH or FO is. I am sick of hearing it.
another truth, Gates that's right that guy from the CIA admitted on French TV and media that the CIA gave arms to radical groups in Afghanistan 6 months that is right 6 months BEFORE RUSSIA ATTACKED. SO AMERICA STARTED THE WHOLE THING AND SHOULD PICK UP THE TAB 100% FOR THE CLEAN UP.
What's so sad is that so many watch Fox and think it IS news; and that banks and public places often have this AWFUL network blaring its fireworks of propaganda at those who enter and do not WANT to be suffused with its hellfire and damnation brimstone bullshit.
Have you ever looked at www.newshounds.us they watch Fox news so you don't have to. It takes each story Fox has on TV and tells the real story not the Fox lies. Have a look if you have not yet.
How do they do it? Faux Noise has got to convert these people at some point unless they're immune from rightwing thinking.
>>What's so sad is that so many watch Fox and think it IS news
That is sad, but what is even more sad is how so many people believe what they want to believe, no matter how much evidence to the contrary. Whether it's atrocities committed by the US in Afghanistan, Iraq or elsewhere, there is a large percentage of the populace that simply cannot accept that the US does anything but "good." Try to tell them otherwise, and it simply DOES NOT COMPUTE. To accept information proving such concepts to be wrong would bring their "patriotism" into doubt. That's one of the reasons why Ollie North is a free man today, and not sitting in federal prison -- he appealed to people's "patritism" with his sob story testimony before congress about the poor suffering "freedom fighters" in Nicaragua.
It's just as if you confront a Christian about their "beliefs." Many know that the story of Noah's Ark can't possibly be true (although admittedly, some kooks think it is), but try to point out such nonsense and contradictions in the holy book, and argue that there is no scientific evidence behind such things (in fact quite to the contrary), and you'll get nowhere with them. They will still "believe" what they want to believe no matter what the facts are or how hard you band your head against the wall.
I'm not suggesting that you shouldn't try to convince people, to point out the truth to them. But when they are not rational, you simply aren't going to get anywhere. A psychiatrist might say that such irrational behavior needs treatment, perhaps through thereapy, or even rehabilitation in an institution. But alas, whether "patriotism" or belief in religious nonsense (Palin: "Iraq war is a task from God"), you cannot question such things because that would be showing "disrespect" for our leaders or warriors, or "religious intolerance."
So what to do when confronted by such people? I wish I had a better answer other than continue to bang one's head against the wall.
>>and that banks and public places often have this AWFUL network blaring its fireworks of propaganda at those who enter and do not WANT to be suffused with its hellfire and damnation brimstone bullshit.
That's why you need a TV-b-gone:
http://tvbgone.com/cfe_tvbg_main.php
I carry one in my pocket at all times. It gives me great pleasure when I turn off Brit Hume while someone is staring, zombie like at the TV screen in a bar, airport, etc.
This article makes me want to sit down and cry.
It is outrageous that the US military is committing human rights abuses and war crimes against innocent Afghans and Iraqis and more recently Pakistani civilians without remorse. Even worse is that the spinelessly unscrupulous American media treats the massive civilian casualties like non issues as though non Americans were not even human.
The crimes the US military will definitely come to hound and haunt them, even if the consequences of their brutality may not seem immediately apparent. The fact is, it is the duty of journalists everywhere to educate public opinion about the obscene civilian cost the military misadventures across the world.
Uh, did you just wake up and fall off the turnip truck or what in the world do you think the USA has been doing all of it's 230 plus years to all of the insignificant people who either made them rich or who got in the way? If you are just now wanting to "cry for our beloved country," and you are over the age of about 12, then what have you been doing all your life that you didn't know this. Some of us are way past tears, although sometimes they do come anyway.
When you control the media (pardon me, "government propaganda"), you control what most people truly believe. The powers that be have studied George Orwell very carefully. "War is peace, Freedom is slavery, Ignorance is strength." The populace swallows this and blindly goes on, avidly gobbling up news about Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan, the latest blond white girl who has disappeared, the sports "heroes," the most recent American Idol, and any other garbage that has nothing to do with anything of importance. Give them lies, and bread and circuses, and they're happy (except that the bread is becoming increasingly expensive, and a few of them are just beginning to wake up to this). The Republicans are a bunch of thugs, and the Democrats lost me when Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid announced that "Impeachment is off the table."
This is probably similar to raids made by McCain.
The fact that he hasn't repudiated his role as a bomber in Vietnam is an indication of his mindset.
An indication of Obama's mindset is that he wants to increase military action against the Taliban (not to be confused with Al Quested) and increase 'special forces' which is another name for our terrorists who under cover of night attack civilians who are suspected of possibly being the 'enemy'.
The Taliban was never implicated in the 9/11 bombings other than harboring Bin Laden. Like I mentioned before, this is like bombing the whole state of New Jersey because some members of the mafia lived there. But now mysteriously the two muslim groups are considered one terrorist organization.
There is maybe a way to have our government stop doing these travesties, but it will take a different government from the one we have currently.
Start voting third party if you want to see change.
McCain did repudiate his role in VietNam when he sang on Radio Hanoi about how he was a war criminal for bombing civilians. That's the maverick McCain. He'll collaborate with anyone - the VC, the Keating 5, the "agents of intolerance", lobbyists, big oil, Karl Rove, GWB - so long as it helps him get more and more. John McCain is a treacherous unprincipled liar who serves only John McCain.
Cicero: "Freedom is participation in power."
According to Ray McGovern (a source I've trusted since McGovern's obvious outrage during his public confrontation with Rumsfeld calling him out on his WMD lies) he's read one credible source saying that Blackwater mercenaries were used as agent provocateurs carrying out vandalism dressed as "anarchists" in St. Paul at the RNC. Now I hear from Greenwald that old Ollie North is op-ing around Bush's grisliest war zones "confirming" Fox/Maladministration agit-prop.
What a sorry situation my country has sunk to that these lawless mulch-maggots are so eager to stoop so low to further besmirch America's reputation around the world. Soon we will be neither respected nor feared by dint of our overwhelming policy incompetence and cruelty, and our domestic political corruption and Constitutionally suicidal levels of public brainwash. All we can do is bomb civilians in oil/gas rich Muslim countries but we can't effect political reconciliation between the factions; we don't truly care about rebuilding, and the people we end up raising into power in these countries sympathize with opium warlords or our most hated enemies in the region--see Iraq, Afghanistan and most especially now Pakistan (the most dangerous, legitimate national security threat on the planet) that we have already bungled right after Pervez Mushariff was recently driven out of power and we could have made a more positive fresh start with the new leadership over there. Bush and Cheney have more perfectly equalized cynicism with stupidity than any other U.S. politicians I've ever heard of.
I have mainstream Democratic friends who are still deep in denial that the sort of brutal regimes replete with U.S. trained & equipped paramilitary death squads, legally and Congressionally unaccountable mercenaries, and secret detention/torture camps funded and run by the U.S. overseas won't be imported into Amurka. But these GOP media operatives and Team Bush's armed stooge/legions are all crazy as shit-house rats stoned on their own rogue ideology. I think it's inevitable at this point that the Republicans will trial-balloon domestic war crimes against innocent U.S. citizens (on scales of 100s to 1000s per incident growing rapidly if the cowed masses don't react strongly enough) inside the U.S. during a McCain presidency. Overthrowing fascists is never easy, but we soon may have no choice but to offer up our lives and fortunes, such as they are after years of national decline.
It is real easy to kill people from 50,000 feet up, even the buildings are just numbers on a GPS screen. It is even easier for a missile you don't even have to know how to fly a plane. That is the war the US likes to fight, no hand to hand as we saw what happened to US troops when they put boots on the ground. They get their butts kicked. Afghanistan people have been as I said before for over 30 years. If a INVADING country killed my kids parents and family or I had to watch them die for lack of a hospital. I would have no problem defending my country to the death.
OBL remember that former CIA paid employee? Even the WH now says he isn't the #1 guy and they have the mastermind behind bars that did 911. OK you got you man then what the hell is the USA still fighting for? Oh I forgot that NOUN you know a person place or thing that is what America is now fighting. OR is it a oil pipeline like it has been since BEFORE 911?
Have you noticed that since this BAD report on US murdering innocent people there has been successful attack after attack that the reports say only those Taliban fighters were killed. SPIN BABY SPIN that news one more time.
If it moves the US attack it is the Military rule.
BIOMUSICOLOGIST: Great post. Is there also a "fools be gone" apparatus I can deploy? I love your screen name. It reminds me of the ethno botanist, isn't that the title? I can't remember his name... does all the books about the hallucinogenic plants of S. America and other locations. I wonder if he's allowed on planes with "samples" given his phD. title?
METAL: I applaud your incisive analysis, and usually agree with everything you post. The only positive thing I can say is that things usually get pretty bad before they fall apart to reveal what's NEXT. Books like "The Great Turning" offer up the vision of what that may be. And although inroads into surveilling citizens is becoming a global "industry," there are regions where all the horrific trends taking root in America are in fact NOT the case. We have to remember that our reality, albeit a powerfully influential one due to America's military bases situated to touch every sector of the planet, is NOT the only one. And the planetary indications are such that the next 7-12 years WILL involve much struggle, but there is light (I pray not of the nuclear big bang sort) at the end of the proverbial tunnel.
Oliver North!?!
You've got to be kidding! A comedy writer couldn't think up this stuff.
This guy is a publicly known liar and he's embedded with the US military?
Is the American public completely brainwashed by now? It would appear so.
How can anyone in this country look themselves in the mirror?
I have heared of healthy denial but this is ridiculous.
Thank you Glen Greenwald for continuing with your excellent work.
-Smokey H
Thanx desertdreamer for 'NEWS HOUR' comment link.99% of the posts that I read,berated PBS for NOT covering 3rd party candidates,thats ENCOURAGING.
Well, what do you expect? The US and French governments sanctioned the Georgian artillery shelling of the S. Ossetian capital Tskhinvali on Aug 7 that killed over 1,690 innocent civilians. And both the US and French continue to support Georgia, even though Georgia still reveres Josef Stalin, the greatest mass-murderer that has ever lived.
In this chess game for world supremacy, civilians do not even count as pawns.
"We don't do body counts" - General Tommy Franks.