Survey Shows Gap Between Scientists and the Public
When it comes to climate change, the teaching of evolution and the state of the nation's research enterprise, there is a large gap between what scientists think and the views of ordinary Americans, a new survey has found.
On the whole, scientists believe American research leads the world. But only 17 percent of the public agrees, and the proportion who name scientific advances as among the United States' most important achievements has fallen to 27 percent from nearly 50 percent in 1999, the survey found.
And while almost all of the scientists surveyed accept that human beings evolved by natural processes and that human activity, chiefly the burning of fossil fuels, is causing global warming, general public is far less sure.
Almost a third of ordinary Americans say human beings have existed in their current form since the beginning of time, a view held by only 2 percent of the scientists. Only about half of the public agrees that people are behind climate change, and 11 percent does not believe there is any warming at all.
According to the survey, about a third of Americans think there is lively scientific debate on both topics; in fact, there is no credible scientific challenge to the theory of evolution and there is little doubt that human activity is altering the chemistry of the atmosphere in ways that threaten global climate.
The survey, by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press and the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the world's largest scientific organization, involved about 2,000 members of the public and 2,500 scientists drawn from the rolls of the science advancement association, which includes teachers, administrators and others involved in science as well as researchers.
The survey, made public Thursday, is available at people-press.org.
It found that at least two-thirds of Americans hold scientists and engineers in high regard, but the feeling is hardly mutual.
The report said 85 percent of science association members surveyed said public ignorance of science was a major problem. And by large margins they deride as only "fair" or "poor" the coverage of science by newspapers and television.
Only 3 percent of the scientists said they "often" spoke to reporters.
In a telephone news conference announcing the survey, Alan I. Leshner, chief executive of the science association, said scientists must find new ways to engage with the public.
"One cannot just exhort ‘we all agree you should agree with us,' " Mr. Leshner said. "It's a much more interactive process that's involved. It's time consuming and can be tedious. But it's very important."
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It reflexes the education of people as a whole but also the cult they practice; Christian's dogmas has always rejected the free thinking for obvious reasons, their tales, legends and so on portray the Physical Reality as a subordinate reality being the metaphysical reality the truly reality, two views of the reality can't exit together; religion has developed a body of information that have little or nothing to do with the Physical Reality and that is core to what it teaches while Science teaches what can be perceived by our senses, whether naked or aided by instruments, and proved that really exists in the Physical Reality.
I don't think that while religion keeps such a grip on people beliefs there will be a clear, cheered, deep and large understanding of the model of the Physical Reality that Science builds. Today Science has developed a solid knowledge of the Solar System and beyond but most people can't grab it and less to believe that what religion tells them doesn't match the Physical Reality. And worse, still some scientists are looking hard for ways to confirm the tales of the Bible. That is outrageous from a scientific point of view.
The RCC insists in that salvation comes from faith not from reason and for one good reason, there is not irrefutable proof that God exists, so far the best of it is Plato's "it is a necessary being" as answer to the question "who created God? But such an answer lacks universal logic, to believe it one need to believe first, a priory, in God, so isn't proof at all.
Two scientific expeditions to the Artic Ocean last summer found massive amounts of methane bubbling up off of a Norwegian island and Siberian Russia. Methane is a much stronger greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. A runaway methane release could cause a extinction event like that of the Permian Extinction which was far worse than the one that killed the dinosaurs. During the Permian Extinction Sulfur gas producing bacteria covered most of the ocean killing most of the ocean and creating poisonous sulfur gas in the atmosphere killing off most animal life on land. Already this sulfur gas producing bacteria has spread off of SW Africa Namibia and has grown from 100 kilometers to almost 1000 kilometer dead zone. Greenhouse warming will be far worse than the scientists predict because the true extent of the methane release has not been factored into the computer models. UT Austin Anthropologists say that the hype over the Mayan end of the calendar in 2012 cataclysm is incorrect, that the real time of change is 2102. The Mayan texts shows a cataclysmic flood of water from the mountains. If warming far exceeds predictions super size lakes of water could form in Antarctica and Greenland and the ice dams break causing a world wide flood, 50 ft.+ plus waves. There are mountains under the ice in Greenland and Antarctica. That would disprove Biblical Genesis statement that Big Daddy promises no world wide flood again.
T X B O D H I,
I'm surprised to read of scientific use of the phrase "massive amounts of methane bubbling up ", as that more likely is a purely emotional and irrational appeal to fear and popular overreaction, as paid for by the banksters and carbon tax profiteers.
¿ Do you have any sources for your antediluvian ramblings ?
I find it hard to reconcile "reported" Biblical Genesis floods and runaway Permian Extinctions -- can you show how they were somehow related ?
N.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/
releases/2008/05/080528140255.htm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
environment/2008/sep/23/
climatechange.scienceofclimatechange1
I think people tend to confuse science with technology. Most of the technological advances may have been made possible by science, but science is really about finding out how the world works. After experiencing some phenomenon, a scientific attitude is to try to come up with a hypothesis of why it happens, and then look for facts that support the idea. If the facts support the hypothesis, there is a good chance that it is the truth. But it is still tentative--something might prove it wrong. That is the beauty of science--it is always subject to revision.
That's FOX
It's really all media outlets, NYT included. Many reporters simply do not understand many of the things they report on. And journalistic standards are different from academic and scientific standards...many journalists would include comments from a global warming skeptic while writing a piece on global warming, despite the lack of standing of pretty much all the skeptics' views. To a journalist however, differing opinions must be presented, and of course make "better" news coverage. There was an article on here a few days ago about passionless reporting on the wars and how it basically has to go. I think it's time for a new type of journalism...one that has high standards when it comes to information and fact-checking, but also doesn't pretend both sides of any given story have equal merit, when in many, many cases they don't.
You can't expect people who are some 80% superstitious to take science and technology seriously - and that's the sad reality in the US. I was gob-smacked when I found out about this - here I thought it was just a couple nut-cases like Jim Jones and David Koresh - but it is the bulk of the US population that we're talking about here - and there is no cure for idiocy.
A R M Y B R A T,
Often you have made sense, and provided thoughtful points of view that expand our perceptions.
Perhaps instead of "superstitious" you might have meant irrational ? But regardless of that, do you really believe that human knowledge and understanding can be complete with only reason ( w/o acknowledging our spirituality and that formlessness that sources ALL existence, which admittedly is my own = article of faith = ) ?
Today is not one of your compassionate days, and that lack of concern for the rest of humankind is the very basis of the problem that you and I seriously wish to resolve.
I am the most influential when I align with the common thread and LIGHT that connects us each to one another, able to walk miles in each other's shoes -- and rest gently on each others 'bed-of-nails' points.
When I acknowledge that LIGHT I see and sense in you, I am better able to see that same LIGHT within me, and together we join in that moment being their together as the eternal ( i.e. timeless ) ONE = _ N A M A S T E _
Please do consider that far from being "IDIOTS", every single person is a vital part of existence ( even darth cheney ! ), that improves each of our experiences and perceptual ability -- for us to see and understand better and more.
The basis of being human is perceiving the world ( as best we can ) and then making CHOICES consistent with that view.
Once we do that, we then can perceive the world more fully, experience the results of previous choices and beliefs -- and then chose differently ( or NOT ).
And although I would agree that the masses of American people are now caught up in antediluvian slime of reptilian thinking ( propagandized fear mongering and hate driving and ( temporarily ) forcing meek acceptance and subservience of authoritarian appeal of fatherly solutions ) -- I also hold great promise for everyone's eventual awakening.
Please do consider that labeling the masses as "idiots" is likely to just dredge up additional disempowering resistance to TRUTH, and acceptance of what is more likely an evolving reality ( perception ).
Perhaps more appropriately, you view most Americans as immature and childish -- having temporarily lost the innately human ( mammalian ) power of rational thought and the blessed ability of questioning authority and their all-to-often apparent incredibly deficient credibility ?
With the abundantly certifiable "nut-cases" packaging the $ewer Main $tream Media, with PSYOPS propaganda lies -- what little chances do most people have to experience their own version of reality -- with so brilliantly crafted illusions and delusions that are supplied for us that force subservience to the powerful elitist criminals ?
Perhaps we ALL are exactly where we need to be, to better experience exactly what we most need to perceive -- and that everything is unfolding at exactly the best possible pace -- to bring about the enlightenment we all will eventually have the grace to cherish ?
N.
C O R N E L I A _ D E A N,
You disingenuously wrap evolutionary truth layers with supposedly equally valid commingled "consensus" of human caused Global "warming", with you say :
"And while almost all of the scientists surveyed accept that human beings evolved by natural processes and that human activity, chiefly the burning of fossil fuels, is causing global warming, general public is far less sure."
The reality is that government ( corporately controlled ) scientific research funding and information disbursement ( and slanting bias ) is propagating a new BIG LIE for profiteerism and population control.
The reality is that really independent and open minded thinkers and informed scientists are what you claim are those that are NOT " a l m o s t _ a l l ".
As a scientist, I can assure you that the apparent "global warming" consensus is a ( corporate ) governmentally sanctioned and contrived situation along with equally vile duplicity in the energy ( and Gollum Sacks bankster ) corporations acting like they _m.u.s.t_ pay shills to fight against it ( they openly fight it with counter PSYOPS media propaganda -- to make it appear to be propaganda = lies ) -- even though they don't believe it for a second.
There are millions of qualified scientists and informed rational thinkers ( completely _n.o.t_ in the pay of eXXon … ) who you would apparently label and call as "deniers" -- as is if that were "proven" by what you hear about in the $ewer Main $tream Media ?
Krugman among others is either deluded, or enough aware -- that his continued survival and existence within the machinery of capitalism requires such unmitigated beliefs.
Why you might better ask,
___ do the corporations & banksters _l.i.k.e_ this ? ? ? ?
N.
P . S . You continue the disservice of science manipulating public understanding, when clearly you observe the outright inconsistency of popular thought and apparent consensus.
Real scientists and thinkers would never bait and switch the public's attention from what they truly believe ( to be true, and is true ) to what the powerful corporations WANT THEM TO BELIEVE ( which is a self serving lie ).
TAT TVAM ASI what is your scientific discipline?
The _ P R O F,
Not that it really matters, although like Freeman Dyson & Richard Feynman ( see links below ), I am a physicist ( and systems engineer ) :
( 1. ) ___ http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2009/04/dg-famous-physicist-says-global-warming-is-overratedfamou...
( 2. ) ___ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_globa...
( 3. ) ___ http://www.lesjones.com/posts/001657.shtml
James Hansen's ( see today on CD and below response to UBREW ) recent reversal from title "Global Warming" to "Global Climate Change" is tantamount to repudiation of decades of carping about "warming" now that "cooling" is very soon about to become the "new consensus".
That extreme WOOOSHING sound that you might be hearing, is all of the hot air abandoning the previous consensus science's sails … ( or was it just gas ? )
N.
TAT TVAM ASI said: "You disingenuously wrap evolutionary truth layers with supposedly equally valid commingled "consensus" of human caused Global "warming" "
Actually, if you look at the survey, evolution and Global Warming responses are reported in the same section, Section 5:
http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=1550
I'm sure the New York Times reporting just reflects this juxtaposition.
The survey selected 2000 ordinary people and 2500 scientists to answer questions, and the statistics fall out of the survey. I don't think its particularly slanted, but I could be wrong.
What I get tired of hearing, is people who deny global warming keep reporting that there are 'thousands of scientists' or 'millions of scientists' who deny global warming. Put it in defensible statistics, WHAT PERCENT OF SCIENTISTS DENY GLOBAL WARMING, or leave it out.
I followed a report blogged by a denier that supposedly supported his contention that climatologists don't support global warming. The statistics in that (European) report said the EXACT OPPOSITE of what he was trying to claim, almost universal support among the climatologists surveyed that global warming was real, human caused, and dangerous. So, forgive me if I begin to suspect that THAT is the reason I rarely hear a denier quote statistics, just overall numbers. I suppose, to a layman, 'thousands of scientists' denying global warming sounds like there is a controversy. The statistics show something else entirely, namely, consensus.
U B R E W _ 1 2
Today ( on CD entitled: "G-8 Failure Reflects US Failure on Climate Change" ), your own celebrated LEADER ( James Hansen ) has bailed out on calling " I T " ___ by the decades long honored title of
G L O B A L __ C L I M A T E :
___ " W A R M I N G "
for now provably truth of
___ " C H A N G E "
( see today's newly revised pet theory : http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/07/10-8
Are you so blinded "by consensus science" that you have no independently thinking neurons left over ?
Most duped ( and whipped up ) people at least attempt to keep up to date with their flagship corporate propaganda machinery, but you really should get a reprieve to allow you to learn to stomach the 180 degree reversal of your "hero".
It is just so tough on scientists ( and people like yourself ), when the actually climatic evidence disproves their pet theories …
N.
P . S .
____This is just more of the " C H A N G E " that you can count on
____ ( so be happy that you really did get yours … )
I said: "Put it in defensible statistics, WHAT PERCENT OF SCIENTISTS DENY GLOBAL WARMING, or leave it out"
And you said: "your own celebrated LEADER has bailed out on calling [AGW] by the decades long honored title of G L O B A L C L I M A T E W A R M I N G for now provably truth of C H A N G E "
I will respond to your post since you refused to respond to mine. I hope you and others note the relative honesty in this decision. Is there such a thing as 'Global Warming'? Well, there are two ways something can heat: it can warm, and it can change phase. Phase change, like ice into water, and water into water vapor, drives sea-level rise and weather-patterns. So, the term 'Global Warming' wasn't effective, because who cares if the global atmosphere warms up by a degree a century? What MATTERS is 'climate change' caused by that other consequence of the enhanced greenhouse heating caused by CO2 levels having risen by 50% in the last 100 years. And THAT is driven by phase change.
They changed 'global warming' to 'climate change' because idiots in the right immediately started taking the planets temperature, as if that mattered. And they are STILL doing it, and celebrating every time it falls. And when the American West enters a 100 year drought that destroys local agriculture and ranching, I'm sure the fact that overall temperatures are a bit high will be the LAST thing on their minds.
Corporate misinformation, religious misgivings, and outdated machismo prevent just about any average American from having a clear picture on the scientific advances of the past century. But especially corporate misinformation. It's startling that they barely even mention that piece of the puzzle in this article.
The scientists are talking, and the people are paying attention. But for every bonafide scientific opinion they hear, they hear 3 times as much utter nonsense from know-nothing pundits paid off by big business and big religion. Just watch CNN sometime, it's astounding.
'Only 3 percent of the scientists said they "often" spoke to reporters.'
This is specious reporting, and an extremely disappointing article.
Almost all US Govt. funded scientific research funding comes with a caveat; that there MUST be a education and outreach (E&O) component provided by the funding. NSF, the National Labs, NHS, ad nauseaum, have all developed significant E&O departments within their organizations and the organizations (mostly Universities) that receive the funding. This has also the wonderful effect of allowing scientists to do what they do best; science. Scientists are notoriously poor at speaking with the media, more out of concern for being misquoted or quoted out of context which is endemic in media reporting. E&O departments do get the message out, but alas, the media fails to pick up on this work.
Misinformation is a scientist's worst nightmare, and unfortunately, special-interest groups and the media revel in misinforming the public.
"You are either with us, or you are against us."
"You are either with us, or you are with the terrorists."
"You are either with us, or you are with the scientists."
Here's my guess as to why sciences aren't taught early and thoroughly...a small amount of learning quickly brings one to understand the truly intimate connection between one's own body and the living world within which we exist...critical thinking, in general, also leads to awkward questions regarding religion, justice, education, property ownership, individual rights and responsibilities, etc...back to the connection between the planet and your very body: this knowledge, once fully internalized and understood, would cause great pause, and rightful questioning, regarding the destruction of that world, and the purposes for which we do so...the moral and ethical aspects to existence are much more difficult to avoid when a potential consumer actually cares about how a product was created...which exact piece of land in exactly which country was blown to shit and poisoned to create my already-broken CD player? What people live there, and do they know about it, and how do they feel about it? Where is this piece of shit going to go now? How did we create the electricity upon which my already-broken CD player ran, and my new, even-cheaper and shorter-lived-to-be, replacement CD player will run? Why can't we live without this shit and leave the living world in working order?
This kind of thinking is problematic from a sales standpoint, a profit standpoint, and must be eliminated...so: enjoy your homes, and faucets and toilets, and clothes, and cars, and stores, and tvs...there is no planet...just things we can use to build better lives: glorious mines, and wonderful dams, and blessed nuke plants, and holy high voltage lines, and clever-cool chemical reactions, and magnificent mini-processors, and GPS around the globe, and now-tiny trees to cut down, and trickling rivers and acidifying oceans to drain and poison, and other super-scrumptious species of plant and animal to eat or relocate to oblivion...we don't need them, we're HUMANS! Even better, we're AMERICANS! We're the shit...if we say there's no global warming, then, dammit, there isn't!
Next!
I very much agree with your piece through the sentence that critical thinking is certainly probelmatic from a sales standpoint. But then it seems to descend into a general Luddism. Things like electric power, sanitation and medicine have greatly enhanced the lives of people - removing misery and doubling average life expectancy.
The key is using scientific innovation and creativity to replace the useful technologies with sustainable ones, and phase out inappropriate environmentally and socaily damaging technologies. The first on my list of things to get rid of is the automobile and the suburban mode of infrastructure that supports it, and I'm becoming increasigly convinced that the cell phone and blackberry might have to go too.
I understand electricity's value, certainly...my question is whether we can afford it from a planetary standpoint...unfortunately, electricity allows for, even encourages, the development of products that run on electricity, products that are very seductive due to the convenience or outright pleasure they offer...products, however, that, due to the very processes of creation, maintenance and disposal, devastate the living environment...this is my concern around electricity...while I agree the advances you mention are real, I am not sure the long-term result will warrant the short-term enhancements...
it doesn't make sense to kill a planet to enhance, or lengthen, a human life...
The problem is, the things electric power replaced or can replace - firewood, oil, natural gas, are even more polluting and environmentally damaging.
Sorry, but the gate back to the garden of eden is permanently blocked, a return to a primitive state is no longer possible - or would require that we kill off 90% of the world population.
I agree, that ever accleerating consumption is not good, but I think that is largely a result of economic system-driven consumption culture rather than the energy technology itself.
I appreciate your response...I don't actually expect people to accept eliminating electricity as an option, anyway, even though I still think it would be a good idea in the long run, so I hope your vision, one of wiser energy use and reduced consumption, if I understand you correctly, holds sway...even if I have my doubts about people being willing or able to reduce energy use and consumption voluntarily, they may be forced to do so economically...certainly, your ideas have a much better chance of being put to the test, although if my worst visions of the future come to pass, electricity may not be around as we know it forever, anyway...I'd sure hate to build a bunch of nuke plants just before the Big Drought hits, and takes away all that cooling water...looks like a rough ride ahead no matter how you slice it...good luck to us all...
The dumbing down of America was purely intentional, and huge sums of money are being spent to maintain it. Take a look at what it has accomplished in the last 30 years, when public education first began to take hits from tax reformers:
>$11 trillion in debt even BEFORE the economy derailed last fall, and most of that run up by people who STILL call themselves 'fiscal conservatives'.
>Casino capitalism run amok on WallStreet, and when it bankrupts the country, guess who's at the head of the trough for a handout? You can't make this stuff up!
>One out of every three healthcare dollars in America is spent on people who literally KILL other people for it. And we can't have the healthcare of Canada, Britain, France, etc because that would be 'socialism', and look what it did to them!
>$600 billion a year to a military machine that obviously isn't defending the interests of Americans (who aren't part-owners of Exxon).
>The entire Bush presidency. After eight years of which almost HALF the population thinks Sarah Palin would be a great candidate for V.P.
>Half the country doesn't believe in Global Warming, so 'drill baby drill'! Music to an oil-man's ears.
>The idea that Obama is a liberal, or represents a liberal viewpoint.
With so much 'good' coming out of the destruction of the American brain, why would these people stop? 'Divide and conquer': as old as the Romans.
I very much agree that the dumbing down of the US public and it's public schools is intentional. There is a very strong cooreltation between scientific or literary educational attainment and having critical views of capitalism.
It's reallt pretty simple. Being smart tends to make one a socialist. Can't have that. That's why even the concept of public education is atacked, and state universities - except their "Business" schools - are defunded, and the right maintains these "dangerous professor" lists.
I agree that the scientific and technical illiteracy of USAns is a big problem. It largely seems to derive from a complete lack of interest and the complete extinction, since the 1960's of the "sense-of-wonder" in the natural and/or technological world that drives scientific interest.
When I bought and upgraded a couple electric motor scooters, I added decals saying "electric" and "LiFePO4" (the new, cutting-edge battery chemistry I upgraded them to) But apparently, USAns cannot even read a simple chemical formula these days, because upon inquiring a few times, no one understood it.
As far as scientists who engage the public, there was a word for such scientists in the 1960 and 1970's. They were called teachers - particularly high-school earth science, biology, chemistry and physics teachers. What the hell are kids being taught these days?
I have to admit, I am one of those scientifically illiterate people who would not understand that. But that is why I listen to the actual scientists.
Lithium Iron Phosphate battery
Lithium Ferrous Phosphate. Don't forget the electron shells.
And also, LiFePO4 really isn't a sensu-stricto chemical compound (or "stricto-senso" as the not so well-read crystallographer Prof. Gibbs of Va. Tech used to say).
The lithium ions are intercalated in the ferrous phosphate comprising the cathode, in varying proportions depending on the state-of-charge.
It is a shame that scientists now have to become public activists. I'd like to live in a society that listens to its experts eagerly and without encouragement. But the truth is that until more scientists start speaking up against the rampant ignorance prevalent is so much of our society, of which global warming and evolution are just two aspects, we will be hard pressed to bring about the consciousness we need.
"Between the idea
And the reality
Between the motion
And the act
Falls the shadow"
I feel differently. I think it's a good thing when scientists leave their ivory towers and spend time with the common folk. The alternative is mad scientists like Frankenstein and Edward Teller.
But I agree that science and learning are denigrated in this society. What an irony that the fundamentalists (Christian, Moslem, Jewish, Capitalist, ...) all use cell phones, computers and the internet, yet reject the open-minded culture that brought these wonders into being.
It's a shame scientists, doctors, nurses, government employees, computer techs, and all high-functioning people who rely on fact rather than faith to make their decisions and do their jobs competently, can't just take a few years off. Leave the country to the Sarah Palin's and her 'Real America' Gang that believes the earth is 6,000 years old and climate change is a myth invented by dirty lib'ruls to steal their guns. Let them pray for Divine Intervention when their SUV breaks down, or the levee breaks and the town floods, or their sewers back up, or their TV goes on the fritz; let them be motivated by hunger to find jobs that don't exist; let them eliminate taxes completely and try to drive their pick-up trucks over roads full of pot holes, or highways where you have to pay a fee to a private corporation every few miles; let them try to get emergency treatment at hospitals that have closed. Let them get along without their Social Security and VA checks, and Medicare and Medicaid, and the GI bill, and public schools. Let them wallow in their Christopublican neocon paradise without any government involvement for a few years -- they'll be screaming their heads off for 'somebody' to help them, but that competent 'somebody' won't be there. Of course, as soon as the intelligent, reality-based people went back to work and cleaned up the mess they caused, they'd be right back to making all of their witless demands for a small government that doesn't tax them yet gives them everything they want, run by folksy ignoramuses who are not 'elitists,' while being robbed blind by greedy corporations, corrupt politicians, and immoral preachers.
Still, it's an interesting idea -- I wonder if Norway or Sweden would be willing to accept millions of smart, competent people tired of preventing boobs from hurting themselves? The unfortunate thing is that these idiots would be left in their devastated carcass of a nation with nuclear weapons; if they could figure out how to launch them, the world would be in danger.
Interesting that you compare Victor Frankenstein and Edward Teller. Do you usually compare truth with fiction?
For an alleged professor, you don't read very well. Frankenstein and Teller are not being compared; they are being listed as examples. What's the problem with mixing literary and historical characters when one is trying make a characterization?
This brings up another issue: engineers and scientists who are so poorly educated in the humanities that they can't connect the insights of literature and philosophy to the implications of their research. That is as dangerous as the scientific illiteracy of the general public. Frankenstein and Teller are perfect examples of the phenomenon, and that the former is literary, accurately foreshadowing the latter, makes the point strong and clear.
My point had nothing to do with scientists being antisocial or anything similar to that. It had to do with the fact that scientists have to actually become activists now - people aren't listening to science simply because it is good science. They are being hoodwinked and brainwashed by a media machine that uses junk science, and the public lends it the same weight (or even more weight) than real science and real scientists.
Scientists shouldn't have to waste time convincing the public through activism that something needs to be done. The public should listen to the science and realize that something needs to be done all on their own. Getting rid of, or at least holding the current media accountable, would be a good first step.
"Between the idea
And the reality
Between the motion
And the act
Falls the shadow"
"The alternative is mad scientists like Frankenstein and Edward Teller."
I read very well thank you. Frankenstein and Teller are being compared with respect to the attribute of madness.
Interesting that you compare Victor Frankenstein and Edward Teller. Do you usually compare truth with fiction?