Where Have the Bailout Billions Gone?
BOSTON - A new U.S. investigative panel is demanding answers from the U.S. Treasury about how the agency has spent money from the 700-billion-dollar bailout fund.
The Congressional Oversight Panel, a four-person board authorized by Congress and led by consumer advocate Elizabeth Warren of Harvard Law School, is charged with finding out what Treasury has done with the billions it has already spent.
"We are here to ask the questions that we believe all Americans have a right to ask: who got the money, what have they done with it, how has it helped the country and how has it helped ordinary people?" the panel says in its first report, which lays out its work.
The panel has begun gathering documents from Treasury and also is holding a series of public meetings across the U.S., to hear the public's concerns about the bailout and the economy. The panel expects to have some answers for Congress and the public by Jan. 9, when it will issue a report on its website, cop.senate.gov.
"We will be running very hard over the next 40 days," Warren told members of Congress recently. Also on the panel are Rep. Jeb Hensarling, a Republican from Texas; Richard Neiman, Superintendent of Banks in New York; and Damon Silvers, a lawyer with AFL-CIO.
"The recession has visited every household in the country. More than 100,000 families last month headed into bankruptcy courts. Americans are watching Washington's every move with great concern," Warren said.
In a desperate attempt to ease lending, the Federal Reserve Tuesday dropped the federal funds interest rate to between 0 and .25 percent, the lowest in decades.
The Warren panel lacks subpoena power but will work together with Special Inspector General Neil M. Barofsky, who will wield significant legal power, and the General Accounting Office, in auditing and overseeing the funds.
"The public has a right to know how financial institutions that have received public money are using that money," the panel says. "Treasury should be responsible for holding individual institutions accountable for how they use the public's money."
After considerable protests from the public, legislators approved on Oct. 3 700 billion dollars in special funding for the U.S. Treasury, which was requested by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson who said the funds were needed to prevent a wholesale collapse of the U.S. financial sector.
Paulson has since doled out the equivalent of 1,900 dollars per U.S. family to banks and financial institutions, according to Warren's panel. None of the Treasury funds have been aimed at slowing foreclosures.
Paulson gave 40 billion dollars to insurance giant AIG, 165 billion dollars to 87 banks, including Citigroup and eight other of the largest financial institutions in the U.S., plus an additional 20 billion dollars to Citigroup. The nine large banks were required to give the U.S. a limited amount of stock and returns in exchange for the money.
The Treasury bailout program, run by Assistant Secretary Neel Kashkari, did not require the banks to use the money in any particular way. Kashkari told Congress recently that Treasury has not audited the money to see how it is being spent.
"There is a casual impression that this money is being used to pay bonuses for top executives and dividends for shareholders," James Crotty, professor emeritus in economics at the University of Massachusetts, told IPS.
"There are ways to measure what's happening to the lending. This may be something to question Treasury vigorously about," Warren said. Great Britain has kept track of its bank bailout money, and required concessions, unlike the U.S., she said.
"The money was given to financial institutions in return for those institutions to lend to small and medium enterprises. There was an explicit quid pro quo," she said.
Paulson and Kashkari, both formerly of Goldman Sachs, have spent additional millions to hire private firms and some of the same institutions that received bailout money, to help administer the bailout program.
Much secrecy surrounds the spending of the money, with the amount of money in some contracts blackened out and the work actually underway by the contractors not described or audited.
"We are disturbed that so much of [the bailout] activities are opaque. There is a lack of adequate oversight and a lack of transparency," Beverley Lumpkin, an investigator with the Program on Government Oversight, a Washington non-profit, told IPS. POGO praises the panel's work so far.
"We like the questions they ask. We feel they are pretty much tracking the major questions that need to be looked at," Lumpkin said.
Despite the spending of these funds and more than two trillion by the U.S. Federal Reserve, the economy remains in turmoil, marked by job losses and climbing unemployment, business closings, more than 2 million home foreclosures in 2008 and a severe drop in the value of the stock market.
"The funds haven't done what they are supposed to do. They hoped interest rates would come down and that loans would take place. It doesn't appear that either of those things have happened," Crotty said.
The nation's largest banks are not loaning money to each other out of fear that they will lose it if a bank defaults, due to their heavy investment in risky, unregulated products based on mortgages with sky-high interest rates and unfair terms, many of which are now in foreclosure and without value. This in turn has crimped loans to businesses and brought the economy almost to a halt.
"Virtually all the things that indicate the health of the economy are deteriorating rapidly. Everything looks horrible at the moment," Crotty said.
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Show AllRalph Brauer has a wonderful four part essay titled "Did Racism Help Cause the Mortgage Crisis?" Even if you are skeptical about the premise posited in the title, I would encourage you to read the essay, as it lays out-in fantastically detailed and meticulously referenced terms-the events that led us to our current predicament. The author details the historical foundation of the massive government subsidized population shift, known as suburbanization, its foundation as a segregationist tactic, the cyclical effect of discriminatory loan regulations in communities of color or lesser means that were fertile ground for "predatory lending practices" (read: loan sharks) and the diffusion of those financial instruments into the nation as a whole.
This was done both overtly, as policy stated in this excerpt from an FHA underwriting manual:
"If a neighborhood is to retain stability, it is necessary that properties shall continue to be occupied by the same social and racial classes. A change in social or racial occupancy generally leads to instability and reduction in values.(p. 203)"
Subversively, the now notorious "red-lining" dates back to the 1930's designated areas inhabited primarily by people of color as ineligible for FHA loan insurance. The effect was that without the federal insurance guarantees that allowed banks to broadly issue mortgage loans with the assurance that their principal holding was protected, these target populations were left without the resources necessary to participate in the program. In fact, the policy of red-lining meant not only could banks not receive FHA insurance, these areas were transformed into virtual dead zones, as investments and capital backed away from the supposed risk, leaving a vacuum that gave way to loan sharking as the last available vestige of the financial system.
Part One: http://thestrangedeathofliberalamerica.com/did-racism-help-cause-the-mortgage-crisis-part-one.html
Part Two: http://thestrangedeathofliberalamerica.com/did-racism-help-cause-the-mortgage-crisis-the-rise-of-sandy...
Part Three: http://thestrangedeathofliberalamerica.com/did-racism-help-cause-the-mortgage-crisis-the-bubble-bursts...
Part Four: http://thestrangedeathofliberalamerica.com/did-racism-help-cause-the-mortgage-crisis-conclusion.html
Insurection rising?
NotesfromtheEdge
It is as I warned {back in July}. Every dictatorship, especially in recent times, And that includes Plutocratic {rule by the wealthy} Fascist Dictatorships, ie. Somosa of Nicaragua: Marcos of Philippines; Shah of Iran; King Gyanendra of Nepal; Pinochet of Chile; george w. bush& company& family, and on and on... As their 'parting shot', stole, ripped off, thieved, lifted, made off with, the treasury and hard earned cash of their citizens. Do you think they made that money themselves??
That cash belongs to the American People! and really to the world, as the reserve currency is the dollar, for the moment at least. And our elected or bought,{via lobbyists, we may never know}, politicians gave the Plutocrats/fascists the money out from under the People. That is what we have just witnessed.
Time for all living beings to wake from their slumber, to wake from the on going nightmare, and become responsible for your own knowledge of what is going on in the world. Answer a few questions by looking into things.
The tools are there now. ie. Who starts 'War', and why do 'They', the MICC, have them? What does WAR, ie. dropping bombs, shooting DU shells or WMD, cluster bombing, 'carpet bombing', chemical& bacterialogical weapons, M16's, AK47's, oozie's, land mines, fighter jets, satellite telemetry, do to families, cultures, and the environment, Hiw does WAR contribute to ie. slowing the 'Thermohalene Current' of the Oceans, and acidifying them.
How long does it take an Exxon-Mobil, or BP tanker to get from Saudi Arabia to North America? And what is the cost of the 'raw crop' extracted from the earth in the Mideast? And most of all, WHO profits? from the ensuing chaos that WAR causes. Answer: usually the 'elite' Plutocrats and others in Their military. But All the answers to these questions are the beginning of waking up. And we, as a species, need everyone Awake and Present in order to act effectively.
Personally, no matter what organization you're in; Sht always flows from the top. I HOPE all those people loosing their homes voted for GW Bush!
"Self policing" serves only one purpose: allowing the crooks to get away with murder.
oldcreditiste
What is the matter with giving $1900 to each American family so that each family can buy what it wishes? That would be fair. The 'stuff' has already been produced, and waits in stores and warehouses. The money to buy it should be produced by the U.S. Treasury. If, as the bankers will object, that causes inflation, the money can be sucked back in very short order by sales taxes or any other kind of tax that you like.
What "they" are trying to do is raise the 'MONEY SUPPLY' to cure a depression by getting people to go farther into debt. Better to raise the MONEY SUPPLY by giving the money to the people than to the banks. Let the people do the gambling for a while, or let them spend the money as they choose in a free country.
The MONEY SUPPLY IS THE FINAL COMMON PATHWAY for controlling the economy.
"Paulson and Kashkari, both formerly of Goldman Sachs, have spent additional millions to hire private firms and some of the same institutions that received bailout money, to help administer the bailout program."
They're doing a wonderful job adminstering the bailout money. It apparently is being used for "employee compensation and benefits". Of course, we'll never know who is receiving the most from this scam.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aznONFlyupOI&refer=ho
550 years of White Mens arrogance, extortion, bribery, theft, corruption, avarice, genocide, and stupidity...nothing has changed!
Good riddance to one fucked-up Kapitalist imbroglio of a system(?)
Another Bank bites the dust
Another Bank bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another Bank bites the dust
Hey, I'm gonna get you too
Another Bank bites the dust
May all Beings be blessed. Specifically the weak and ill minded.
If the Fed interest rate is going to hit near zero, can I expect my credit card interest rates to hit zero? I bet not......they're going to keep hitting me for their 27%. It's kind of funny how ordinary people are being kept out of the loop in these acts of financial generosity. We've got to demand, take action. Like the workers in the Chicago factory who sat in to claim their back wages - and question Bank of America's $25 billion gift from the government (i.e. the taxpayer/worker) when they couldn't extend a line of credit to pay workers. Something has to be done. We have to keep raising our voices, sitting in, boycotting, doing whatever it takes.
It's funny you say that on the CBS news, there was a report about the new laws restricting interest rates going into effect (in 18 months!), and the lady being interviewed said that the rates on one of her cards skyrocketed to 30%! She said that she could have gotten better terms with the mob. I had to chuckle because it's true. Folks, if you use credit cards, pay them off EVERY MONTH, and do not carry a balance. Do not use them at the Doctors office (for example), try to work out a payment schedule with your doctor or dentist instead. Reserve carrying a balance only for emergencies. At some point we're going to have to learn to live within our means, and that's going to take self-honesty, and doing without some of the things we want but do not need.
My son taught me this. Call them and ask them to reduce your rate. I told them I was getting offers in the mail for much better APR, whic was true. I have done this twice. First time I went from 18% to 9%. Then they gradually start to sneak it up again and you have to call again.
But you are right. They are making too much.
Joe
That's right. While gas prices keep going down slowly but
surely (even only temporary), the Money-Ripoff-Complex
dishes out broken dreams and burst bubbles.
Remember when they (congress) passed the 'credit reform bill'?
No more getting away with Your CC debt. You are in this until
death parts You from Your account.
Then they come for Your children.
Cut Your Credit Card into small strips before they are going
to take Your soul too.
May all Beings be blessed. Specifically the weak and ill minded.
I've simply assumed that this is the final untraceable looting of the treasury by the Bush Administration before it exits.
Put me down as a vote for the "untraceable looting of the treasury" scenario. I think those who perpetrated this debacle knew that BushCo would give them our money if it went bad. Dismantle the Federal Reserve -- create the People's Bank of America and put our money in it. Have people with some kind of moral center who aren't in it to bilk the system overseeing it. Have low or no-interest loans, none of it available for stock speculations, only to start small businesses or help people get their lives turned around. Enough of rule by millionaires. Fuck 'em.
Sometime in the next year there will be a serious risk that foreign exporters will decide that the US treasury is printing money faster than the Zimbabwe government. Truth is exactly that. If you still have cash or stock you might want to convert it into something hard, shiny, durable and useful like metals. I mean ignots too, not certificates which will be worth less than the paper and ink used to produce them.
Giving the Bush family keys to the economy was exactly like handing your twelve year old daughter to a 14 year-old boy along with keys to the car and a fifth of Jack Daniels. Nothing comes back intact.
Fighting the forces of rather dim lighting wherever they may be found!!
Stevie "guitar" Miller told us back in the mid-70's what people with access to other people's capital and no accountability for it would do, "Hoo-Ahh. Take the money and run..."
We can count of one of two things:
We're either gonna get screwed by a Ponzi scheme or by Legal larceny. Just ask your favorite Congressman or Senator how these schemes work to keep them in office.
This last ditch TARP effort to save these ---holes isn't going to work. Sooner than later, the U.S. is going to see another Civil War in this country. This time, it won't be the North against the South, but the Wealthy against the vanishing middle class and poor.
Stock up on food and water; because when the sh!t hits the fan, you won't be able to survive a super-market run with the chaos out there!
My first post and thoughts are as follows: Due to unrelenting avarice within those who design, run, and defraud the very system they built for their own power and self aggrandizement...we will all, every last one of us continues to pay the heavy price of that greed and criminal activity, and the disaster that continues to deepen within its wake. Its begining to border on surrealism. The American people are getting close to all they will tolerate and continue to respond with passive good behavior, and I think that is a good thing...I really do think that the days of Camp Run amuck are ending.... I pray that what emerges out of those ashes is based on new laws grounded in some semblance of justice, and lets not forget LAWS WITH REAL TEETH... House arrest for the Ponzi scheme dude is just wrong...Hard time for hard and devastating criminal activity...any appearance of leniency with these criminals is just wrong and it undermines much of the effort being put forward toward instilling confidence in our institutions, which will have to be the first step for any recovery plan...De La Bird
De La Bird: welcome. I'm here almost a year. Don't take anything anyone says personally.
While he is at it, the author might as well ask, where the Iraq reconstruction billions have gone, or the Pentagon billions that could no longer be located in 2001. So much cash, so much corruption...
Jim Rogers Calls Most Big U.S. Banks "Bankrupt"
December 12, 2008 ---- NEW YORK (Reuters) - Jim Rogers, one of the world's most prominent international investors, on Thursday called most of the largest U.S. banks "totally bankrupt," and said government efforts to fix the sector are wrongheaded.
Speaking by teleconference...the co-founder with George Soros of the Quantum Fund, said the government's $700 billion rescue package for the sector doesn't address how banks manage their balance sheets, and instead rewards weaker lenders with new capital.
...
"Without giving specific names, most of the significant American banks, the larger banks, are bankrupt, totally bankrupt," said Rogers, who is now a private investor.
..."What's happening this time is that the government is taking the assets from the competent people and giving them to the incompetent people and saying, now you can compete with the competent people. It is horrible economics."
Full unedited article:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21447.htm
Sioux Rose
CYGNUS & Others: History is fraught with examples of an armed state using its force against citizens (with all kinds of invented rationales) to seize their bounty. The Nazis took the gold fillings and caps from the teeth of the Jews they intended to kill. At one point the first-born sons were murdered.
What is to stop our now bankrupt government from coming, house to house, to seize assets BECAUSE through policies of war and rewarding the incompetent, the nation is now effectively bankrupt? Perhaps it's not a bad idea to preserve the right to bear arms...
YEP,
I feel Ike and JFK got it, and when JFK tried to wind down Vietnam and the cold war with Russia he got it in Dallas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd8wwMFmCeE&NR=1
More on that...this is my thing.
Since that day we have been goin towards Debt Slavery with every president leading the way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces&NR=1
FBI man speaks the truth here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sSAvuVfcKQ&feature=related
Both of the Connelly's tell the truth
http://www.youtube.com/user/SCGATOR2001
FBI versus Arlen Spector
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS3zrdkoCdY&NR=1
THE HUMAN UNION---HU ARE YOU.
Membership---Everybody is already in it. Call the # for your local Chamber of Commerce to opt out. Rejoin at any time.
Dues---Pay it forward with solidarity and good will.
Leadership---Organic nantan (dispersed Navajo), talk it up, see what happens.
Tactics---Peaceful, Speaking Truth to Power, Resist, Occupy, Produce.
Goals---Fair pay, Fair play, Justice under the Law, Benefits to the Seventh Generation. No War.
One Planet, One People.
IF NOT NOW---WHEN?
A multi-billion dollar 7 year stazi police state spy network to catch terrorists , by spying on normal American citizens that dared to voice their opinions about this evil Administration , two unwarranted preemptive wars, and general disagreement that the country was headed in the wrong direction.
All this , while the fat cats at the top of the food chain, Wall Street , and Banks , were stealing us blind and asking for tax payer bailouts.
If only we had used the stazi police to keep a close watch on the fat cats who generally were supportive of this Administrations unconstitutional behavior.
These guys think they are untouchable, the law cant hurt them, they are the law.
The guys with all the money are the ones that need watching.They have plenty to account for, lets see what happens as this financial disaster is now affecting everyone.
BornFreeMen
I am calling for 24/7 surviellance on all the rich fat cats stealing Americans invested money.Lets see how they like being Domestic torture victims.
It's not BILLIONS, it's TRILLIONS.
Bloomberg news has been asking the Fed for months now to reveal who they gave the loot to and what they've gotten in return as collateral. They've filed a Freedom of Information Act but have gotten no information.
Here was Fed chairman Ben Bernanke's response:
“Some have asked us to reveal the names of the banks that are borrowing, how much they are borrowing, what collateral they are posting,...We think that’s counterproductive.” (Nov. 18 at House Financial Services Committee Meeting):
Full story at:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=apx7XNLnZZlc&refer=home
** The gifts to criminal bankers may be as high as 8 TRILLION. My best source of all things economic, Mike Whitney at Counterpunch, says this entire disaster will end with uncontrollable hyperinflation that'll destroy the dollar. By the way, not one person has been indicted any any of this.
"We think that’s counterproductive." Arrogant, condescending, prick.
Joe
I think the only reason Obama got "elected" was to pacify the masses and "they" hoped I'd be a big enough diversion for the biggest rip-off in history! I believe Iit makes no difference what party is in the majority or in the White House, look at the "First 100 days" when the democrats won the senate. I wasn't suprised then and I wont be suprised when things take their course now. All politicans, irregardless of their party affiliation are crooks! I haven't seen one yet that hasn't talked out of both sides of their mouth. I just wonder when all these right wing N.R.A. people are going to do something with the guns that they say they'll give up when they pry their cold dead fingers from them. I don't think it's gonna happen. the sheep have been led to slaughter and america is too apathetic to do anything about it. Too many "big screen" T.V.'s watching Monday night football in the lazy boy recliner to want to get their hands dirty.
Obama is the opium of the people.
Those latin American leftists are all corrupt!
This stuff would never be tolerated in the United States of America!!
Ha, Me thinks you have it all wrong.....AMerican will put up with anything...because they have lost their compass....In south American at least they needed death squads to put down the democratic movements of the people...here they don't have to do anything.....because we , for the most part have no idea what is happening any more.....completely out of touch........don't feel too bad..a lot of research and evelopment and lots of money were spent to achieve that goal of total apathy within our population....but now it is time to wake up......
What ya worried 'bout? They're gonna take real good care of everything for us, don't ya know? They're checking into things right now even as we speak, so don't you worry your little heads now. It's gonna all be ok. Just you wait and see...
Hey, you suckers voted these crooks and shills back into power. You voted in the shills Obama/Biden; you voted in the Democratic do nothing Congress in '06.
What exactly did you expect, huh, suckers?
You had a chance to elect descent, competent public servants, but you voted in the same shills of corporate power.
What chance?
Joe
One more time... it ain't about the puppets you ignoramus, it is about the puppet masters and the system that WE ALL are part of - if you believe for a second that any of those so-called descent, competent public servants would make a difference then you are an even bigger sucker than those you accuse.
Until you, we, us get past the idea that someone elected within the system will change the system we are doomed to the same whiny and belligerent fate, bickering at each other instead of joining together.
Until we start thinking about the system itself and how to address that, this just amounts to a bunch of mindless ineffective babel.
This site is strangely quiet about the Madoff scheme. So I am just posting about it, although this article isn't exactly about this topic.
Well, folks, there is one aspect to this Ponzi scheme which hasn't been mentioned yet but which ought to be mentioned: Why wasn't his scheme exposed any earlier?
I fear that one of the causes is another chapter of the tragedy of the Jewish people. He is Jewish, I suppose, and many of those who should have controlled his outfits are Jews. As are many who trusted him.
But Jews wouldn't dream of thinking that one of their own would ever do that to them. Which, I suspect, is another reason why those on Wall Street who should have had a closer look at his fund didn't bother to. He was a well-respected member of their community, I suspect, and they never dreamed that someone like Madoff would be pulling off a scheme like that at their own expense, to boot.
I find this psychologically very depressing, because the history of persecutions and extermination of Jews in many parts of the world has caused Jews to stick together, as any group that's persecuted would and does - I actually occasionally envy them for that feeling of togetherness - and in this case they were really taken for a ride beyond belief by one of their own.
But I thought that this aspect merits a comment.
Persecution does not automatically produce nobility in the victims.
Joe
Perhaps you'll appreciate this darkly humorous piece about the Madoff victims.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21483.htm
With apologies to Pete Seeger (Where Have All the Flowers Gone)
Where have all the billions gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the billions gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the billions gone?
Bankers have picked them every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
Where have all the bankers gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the bankers gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the bankers gone?
Gone for more mortgages every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
Where have all the mortgages gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the mortgages gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the mortgages gone?
Gone into foreclosure every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
Where have all the foreclosures gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the foreclosures gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the foreclosures gone?
Gone back to the banks every one.
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
Where have all the banks gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the banks gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the banks gone?
Covered with billions every one.
When will we ever learn?
When will we ever learn?
Sioux Rose
KIVALS: The real question is, can you sing? Get out a guitar, sing those lyrics and put them either on Utube or send it to David Letterman or The Daily Show... I think you've got the "A B C" means to let the public know what's really happened!
Hi Sioux Rose. No, I can't sing, but sometimes I do really wish that I could. And I agree that progressives should do what they can to produce entertaining pieces with informative messages that they can put up on Utube and elsewhere on the Internet.
j.a.h.Kivals,you sent your thoughts into the soulergy of the akashic mind.I knew the title before I clicked on your post.Thanks peace j.a.h.
Ursa
Here is another fine bailout request from a company that totally rips of the consumer with high interest rates 29%, and 10 days to pay your bill
Where did all the money go?
These guys don't need a bailout!!!
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Discover Financial Services (DFS.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz), which is seeking to convert to a bank holding company, could receive up to $1.2 billion under the U.S. government's financial bailout program, the credit card company's CEO said on Thursday.
"Based on our size, we would qualify for between $400 million and $1.2 billion," Chief Executive David Nelms told Reuters in an interview
Uh, this so-called "bailout" was based on money that doesn't exist. We the taxpayers are now borrowing from China to "reward" the perpetrators. Amazingly, Obama has the nerve to say that things will get worse before they'll get better. Too bad he supported so many instances of reckless war funding and bailouts to Wall $treet and is now trying Big Auto ! What a betrayer !
The Bush regime is dedicated to screwing the US taxpayers for as long as they are able...right up to when Junior gets up and walks out the door. The only question that should be asked now is, what else can he do to damage this country before he leaves. The 700 billion bank heist is just one of many outrages...admittedly the largest of it's kind, but then, how many other world class crimes have they committed? More than anyone can count I think.
The only thing that would have been a positive in all this, would have been if the banks were allowed to fail...they should have collapsed and gone away by now. And if this had been allowed to happen, it would have cleared the debts of millions of Americans, and given them money to spend in the economy...which would have been the old trickle UP technique of economics, not the bull-shit trickle down peeing on the taxpayers heads. But, that's what they did, they pee'd on our heads once again and told us it's raining. It's called grand theft US Treasury.
Where has the money gone? You people want to know what our Masters have done or are doing with your money? Are you crazy?
The word 'masters' clearly shows that there's us and them. We are supposed to do as we're told and pay our taxes and doff our caps while 'them' can do what they like, no questions asked.
That's the way the world has been ever since we vacated the trees for the sterile luxury of a condominium so you'd better get used to it, you peasants!
For another view check:
www.dangerouscreation.com
In a healthy political system, any expenditure of this much public money would be accompanied by careful oversight and control from the get go. That's how the Europeans did it. They still seem to have functioning democracies.
Here in the US plutocracy, George "Chicken Little" Bush declares that the sky is falling and Congress forks over money with virtually no debate and virtually no strings attached. Now, months later, Congress forms a commission to find out where the money went. What a sick joke.
The US is already morally bankrupt. Its economic bankrupcy is inevitable.
Remember, Jefferson and Hamilton had different ideas about government and finances. The Hamiltonian policies won. Instead of pay as you go, we wound up with close ties between banks, big business and government. Banks "loan" to big business, guaranteed by government, which reimburses any loss or risk with money taken from We the People. Hamilton said, "Government is too important to be in the hands of 'people of no particular importance'." That's us, folks. We have no importance, we just pay the bills.
As it was in the beginning, so it seems to be to this day.
"The Congressional Oversight Panel, a four person board authorized by Congress and led by consumer advocate Elizabeth Warren of Harvard Law School, (oooo, Hahvad Law School), is charged with finding out what treasury has done with the billions it has already spent"
"'We are here to ask the questions that we believe all Americans have a right to ask; who got the money, what have they done with it, how has it helped the country and how has it helped ordinary people?'".
Yeah, way to go Congress! Give em hell! Accountability, right on! You guys are so on the ball!
Sometimes, when I wake up in the morning and read the news, I feel like I've awakened inside a Kafka novel.
Sioux Rose
REBELNOW: I understand the sensation, but for me, it's crossed with a dark episode of the Twilight Zone where I meet George Orwell after he's been vigorously interrogated by the Non-torturers in chief.
The Whole Thing from: the election of 2000, 9/11, Invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, to "The Bail Out" have been a scam on the American People.
The Mass Media is nothing more than 5 Corporations controlled by "The Elite".
The Mass Media did not inform the Nation about the election fraud in Florida and demand a full recount. (A recount was never done. Look at Minnesota.) The Mass Media did not inform the Nation that there were explosions in World Trade Center #7 and question the removal of all evidence of the worst mass murder in the United States History. The Mass Media went along with a Military Propaganda Campaign with fabricated evidence and fed the American People false information. The Mass Media has failed to ask questions about the money and the "Conflicts of Interest" of Henry Paulson.
From "Zeitgeist-Part 3", you get a glimpse of what has happened to the United States in the past 50 years. The people in control make the decisions. Here is a list of people who were either invitees or attended Bilderberg Club Meetings: Ben S. Bernanke, Thomas A Daschle, Timothy Geithner, Paul Gigot, Richard Holbrooke, James A Johnson, Henry Paulson, Laurence Summers, Richard Perle, Paul Wofowitz, John M Deutch, Christopher Dodd, Chuck Hagel, Henry Kissinger, Vernon Jordan, Bill Richardson, Daniel K. Tarullo,Bill Clinton and many more.
Did you see any names that Obama has had to choose for his advisers? Why would an, alleged, Progressive Democrat choose nothing but conservative advisers???? He does not get to choose.
Where has the money gone? It has gone into executive salary and bonuses. Goldman Sachs is holding, in reserve, 7 billion pounds for their 2008 salary and bonus packages.....
"THEY" were not able to get everything "THEY" wanted. "THEY" got George W and Dick put into office and re-elected (4 million presidential electronic votes disappeared in 2000 and 8 million presidential electronic votes disappeared in 2004 "Cal Poly Tech/MIT Study of 2000 Election and "Electronic Data Services Analysis of 2004 Election"). "THEY" got their "Pearl Harbor Type Attack". "THEY" got their "Invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan".
"THEY" did not get "The Privatization of Social Security".
Does Mr Madoff look like he is worried about gong to jail? Not at all!!!! Did Mr. Madoff set up private accounts in other countries with millions of dollars? You betcha, one is in London. Unless someone makes him account for every dollar he received, we will never know how many other accounts he has around the world.
Did everybody learn from Enron? You guessed it, everybody has learned to set up ghost companies and accounts with false names all over the world.
We, the American People, have been screwed.
"THEY" put on their suits with their flags and called themselves, Patriots. If you questioned what "THEY" did, you were labelled a: radical, conspiracy theorist, unpatriotic, liberal, etc. and then marginalized. Cindy Sheehan marginalized. The Tillmon Family marginalized. "Iraq Veterans Against The War" marginalized. Dennis Kucinich marginalized. "Architects and Engineers for an Independent Investigation of 9/11" marginalized. Andreas Von Bulow marginalized. General Hamid Gul marginalized. Robert Baer marginalized.
Anyone, whether a "Whistleblower" or Ex-CIA, whenever they went against the "Official Story", they were marginalized by the Mass Media.
"THEY" could care less if almost three thousand people died in New York. "THEY" could care less if over 1 million Iraqis have died. "THEY" could care less if over 3 million Vietnamese died. "THEY" could care less if over 63,000 American Soldiers were killed in Viet Nam and Iraq.
"THEY" did not get the "Privatization of Social Security" and "THEY" could care less what happens to the American People.
Wait until you see how much "THEY" really took from the U.S. Treasury!!!!!!
Sioux Rose
HERBERT: I feel your sense of outrage and fully share it; and I thank you for compiling a list of many (but hardly all) of the trespasses allowed to pass off as business as usual of late. Would you agree that ultimately they DID get social security in that the storehouses have been empty of all "feed." There is nothing left TO pass out... it's all a chimera now. The federal reserve as private bank issuing fiat currency worked so long as there was a modicum of trust in delivery systems. But as the banks default, as loans become circumspect, and now I believe that those of us with enough $ to still meet our payments (including credit cards and insurance) are going to be taking on the burden of the % that defaults. These bastards will cut into the pie for more pounds of flesh and take it from those who've got it, since they've been able to get away with murder and robbery in broad daylight.
Between television taking over as COMMAND CENTRAL voice in our homes, to the full buyout of congressmen and women in the elaborate lobby system, to the electronic vote that can be manipulated from any computer savvy portal... we see 3 factors that have helped to capsize what democracy we once had. But for many, the band plays on and they still sing their hosannas and pray to Jesus, that they still have their daily bread. Taught that these hard times reflect "God's Will" they do not summon the rage to demand an accounting of public officers.
I do agree that Obama must be the front man, CEO of "brand America," as no one with his indicated intelligence could so nakedly sell-out when so much is at stake. I would not want to be in his shoes... reminds me of the mafia inside circle, "You can't leave us now, you know too much." And think of all the money poured into his campaign and what that means in our new version of "the ownership society."
rebelnow:or Kafka short story with a little help from Vonnegut and Lenny Bruce.
Ursa
It will be interesting to see what this CONGRESSIONAL led oversight Panel comes up with ?
It seems that it’s been a while since any oversight committee has come up with anything significant
Seeing is believing
"The public has a right to know how financial institutions that have received public money are using that money,"
If the public had no right to choose whether their money would be handed over to the loan sharks in the first place, what makes the panel think they have a right to know how it was spent? Only in some magical universe do the victims of a Kansas train robbery have a right to know how the James gang spends their money. We are not going to have a democracy in this country until we divest our selves of the idea that we somehow already have one.
"Only in some magical universe do the victims of a Kansas train robbery have a right to know how the James gang spends their money." I am laughing because it is true. Let's round up them varmints and string em up. You with me?
Joe
Sioux Rose
VOXCLAMANTIS: I agree. It's like what good is the accounting AFTER the fact. This argument was raised AFTER the FCC gave away the public's bandwidths to the pre-existing broadcast corporations. Note how they rewarded us, with recycled old TV programs and what playwright Bill C. Davis once termed, "Generals, On Stage!" Take the money and run, make war on fabricated evidence, but if money owns both teams, impeachment is of course off the table. It's so unbelievable and diabolical that in spite of seeing it at close range, my being does not want to believe what IS taking place. And I know others also feel this incredulity reflex. It's that way with serial killers. They seem like such nice people, even if anyone suspects them of a double-life, it just doesn't seem proper to wonder too deeply... one could make a parallel with "Into the woods," and the fears and horror stories that have been generated from human being's terror in the face of the darkness. "If we don't go THERE, we'll be kept safe." Persons who operate in the dark perhaps know this, and boy have they been operating... America has become their themepark!
This is another clear example of just how rapacious the financial class of the USA is. They think that they are a cut above everyone else and deserve special treatment while the rest are subject to their whims. There is a word for this: nobility. It is well past time that financial crimes be treated in the same light as violent crime, as the effects on society in general is more harmful than any murder, home invasion robbery, etc.
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Welcome to our world where a guy who throws a shoe is in jail and a guy who orders the invasion of a country on his flawed intelligence is free as a bird.
In this same Topsy-Turvy world corporations are too big to fail and people are too small to count.
Quit drinking the kool-laid! There was nothing wrong with the intelligence. What the present administration fabricated was not intelligence. It was merely an intelligent way to get what they wanted.
dmgreenaz:that's poetry. Good writing. He knew the intelligence was flawed, his vp helped write it, like someone asking the cook what to put into the meal.
Where Have the Bailout Billions Gone?
Gone to multimillion-dollar bonuses every one!
Obama blamed much of the nation's economic troubles on government regulators who "dropped the ball," and he called for a return to ethics and tough enforcement.
But then our 'government regulators' were castrated long ago by our corporate controlled Congress, both the House and the Senate.
Yes both parties are responsible and they will try to blame each other for the exponential rising debt.
They will try and keep the Federal Reserve system out of the picture as long as the media lets them but facts and pain are closing in.
TIME IS COMING FOR THIRD PARTIES TO UNITE.
Now is the time for all good men and women to come to the aid of each other and themselves. We must unite to elect a new breed of representative. Ones who will do their effin jobs.
Joe
Where Have the Bailout Billions Gone?
Into many pockets and up many noses.
That must be a rhetorical question. For by now everybody should know
where the money went. It went into the same pockets that caused the
vacuum in the first place. It is like a giant Refill.
Money in general is virtually worthless. It is the things one does with it
that makes it 'real'.
There was never ever any cash to go to war with Iraq and Afghanistan.
It is all electronic money. Ask the Iraqis and Afghans whether that made a
difference in destroying their countries.
May all Beings be blessed. Specifically the weak and ill minded.
Except the war lords got big duffle bags of shrink wrapped Franklins.... they weren't as dumb as the corporations.
Gee, you people here are all so nice and smart and cool and stuff like that -- I'll let you on in a secret: all the money was put into my bank account. If you send me the details of your bank account, along with codes, I'll put transfer some of money to your account -- it won't cost you anything.
This is an offer that won't be repeated, so, don't delay!!!
(snark alert)
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There's a glory in the morning because the earth turns 'round and a promise in the evening when the sun goes down
That is great!
Sioux Rose
It's such traggic folly (or Disaster Capitalism at its most rabid) that the CURE was only a method to continue feeding the disease. By giving the embarassment of riches to those who emptied the coffers and gutted our economy, the cause (low wages, inflated loan instruments, and NO firewall between the banks and the Wall St gamblers) has never been treated. War on trumped up charges, a purposely forfeited middle class, a rising prison population, a planet whose ecosystems are collapsing, and now this decimation of the net worth of most homeowners and citizens... Bush has been the free moving pinpall that has collapsed everything in its wake. The karmic boomerang has struck through him and his friends on the dark side... out of necessity arises the Mother of invention. We cannot pour new wine into the old wineskins, whether this be collapse, End Times, or Another World Is Possible will be determined by our inventiveness, innovation and CAPACITY to work together. New synergistic possibilities hold promise in late January-March 2009 when the cosmos supports idealistic aims and intentions aimed at and for the Greater Good.
It will not happen unless is runs parallel with a realization for the need of individual transformation, which admits our connectedness to all other beings within this country and across the planet. Our real next step in evolution is not toward a bigger brain, but toward 'cosmic consciousness,' where their is both a greater understanding of human nature and its place within the Greater Whole. Greed and fear will simply no longer work.
Well said. Yet, I wonder whether the 'New Synergistic Possibilities' include a solution
to prevent methane to go into the atmosphere in the million tons range and growing.
May all Beings be blessed. Specifically the weak and ill minded.
As I've mentioned before, it's all one big Ponzi scheme, no different that what Madoff was "caught" doing - those at the top of the finance pyramid solicit money from suckers, which they use to pay off themselves and the rest of the top tier. When the initial sucker pools run dry and the scheme starts to unravel, the "leaders" force the suckers - i.e., We The Taxpayers - into "investing" even more, not of what we have, since we have nothing left, but of our future earnings (they have to force us, because, if asked, most of We The Suckers would refuse to "invest" in their pyramid.)
Then the top tier again pays itself off and uses what's left to loan back to the suckers at interest. Some of said interest is then used to pay off a couple of more tiers, which then (theoretically) triggers pyramid rebuilding, as other suckers show up to invest with the hopes that they got in early enough to grab a slice before it's all gone again.
The non-Ponzi system: a company designs a car; investors finance the building of said car; the car is sold for a profit; investors who took the risk split the profits; maybe car company execs and workers receive performance bonuses; or, the car sells for a loss and investors lose money and there are no bonuses. (In the present 'system,' the failed car company receives taxpayer money in order to pay off investors anyway and bonus the execs anyway and continue producing failed cars anyway.)
And, by remaining passive, We The Suckers enable the building of lots and lots of pyramids atop our ever-more-poor heads...
Yes and when they actually do start to print more cash out of desperation and thin air because who is going to buy Treasury securities at zero interest? so then they will have to supply new cash and inflation will be the result and that is when the rebellion will begin with a desperate inflation, if not sooner.
The money is not real.. Electronic credits given freely to lower down Ponzi schemes...
Do ya think they will find what happened to the 50 billion Madoff Made off with? Nobody thinks so because nobody really believes he handled 50 billion in real money when there is only 300 billion cash real money in the USA now?
this is the Ponzi Fed giving away numbers on their computers, How do you find that? it is private privileged property the Fed is Owned by private Banks.
So they give away a few trillion...it is just numbers on a computer. We are screwed if we keep swallowing this garbage.
Well the truth is the elephant in the room and I am glad that they at least will start to look for the money... It is a start.
Everybody is gonna say "What money? there is no Cash and no credit".
But it is all counted as more Debt that will come as payable sky rocketing interest and there goes the the money for rebuilding America.
.Madoff did "business" outside of the USA, a bunch in fact. So the fifty billion , which was his own estimate, may very well be spot on or even greater.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
All these guys belong to the same clubs and visit the same watering holes.
Transparency and Accountability First. I thought that is what the democratic way was. I thought that is what rules and regulations were for.
No- it is only for the rich. They have great disdain for the regular joes - the people outside their gated communities. Again Atwood's Oryx and Crake comes to mind.
For about three years now people have been suggesting race wars to me based on what's going on around us. I have been insisting we will have our version of Bastille day.
With Obama's election the race related crimes and planned hate attacks have risen recently. But it is still about class and money first.
Love
Zero
This is a public health problem. It has caused a massive rise in high blood pressure in the populace. $1900 per family so far... and where has it gone?
The wrong people are in jail.
Joe
jclientelle:left you a comment in our ongoing great "thread" on education, after your super one. (Palast's "Obama Slam-Duncans..". We may have hit near end.) As I read on this comment batch, I keep hearing Neil Young's song, with "money going out the door" in it, that DemocracyNow plays often.
We all know those billions went where all the unaccounted for billions have gone in the past eight years - into the bush, cheney, and other filthy rich pirates coffers.
A revolution could be coming. But how do we keep another representative government from becoming totally corrupted by the money-power if not by doing away with representative government altogether?
Hang public officials who accept bribes or "campaign contributions." This is the one crime for which there should be immediate commision of the sentence and no appeal. When the government is corrupt everyone becomes a bandit.
Fighting the forces of rather dim lighting wherever they may be found!!
What's that story about the fox guarding the henhouse again?
Here's another commission "investigating" the crooks in government and Wall Street. When are these ass clowns going to quit investigating and start convicting?
Revolution is coming.
Two good old sayings: an ounce of prevention....
and
locking the barn door after the horse has gone.........
Am I just too cynical or is my old memory still too good?
.Public money should mean public disclosure. Yet the Bush administration makes the rules as the always have, to benefit the "club" and not the public. I wonder how Barney Frank, John McCain and that 'other guy' who insisted upon this bailout and these terms feels about it now?
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Nope, but I've got another:
I told you so.