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Bailout Isn't Just For Wall Street Anymore
WASHINGTON - After a bruising battle to get it through a doubting Congress, the Bush administration's $700 billion Wall Street rescue plan to purchase distressed mortgages and other bad assets has morphed into something else entirely.
Today the Emergency Economic Stabilization Plan, signed by President Bush on Oct. 3, involves the government taking direct equity stakes in banks, and at least one bank used the money to buy a rival. The taxpayer money's also expected to be used to buy stakes in life insurance companies, and may soon even go to help two struggling Detroit automakers merge.
In short, what once was disparagingly referred to as bailout for Wall Street now looks like a broader bailout of all sorts of troubled businesses. Some lawmakers and outside analysts question whether that's serving the public interest as intended - or whether it's becoming a taxpayer-financed giveaway to favored firms.
"I could say I told you so," said Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas, who helped lead a revolt against GOP leaders and sunk the $700 billion plan on its first pass. "It was so open-ended and we put so little accountability into it, they can basically do whatever they want to with the money."
Lawmakers in both parties worried when the Treasury Department announced on Oct. 14 that $250 billion of the $700 billion plan would be used to inject cash directly into troubled banks. That pushed Treasury's previous emphasis on purchasing troubled mortgage assets to the back burner.
Some $125 billion was used to take equity stakes in the nine largest U.S. banks, and now lenders across the nation can ask, through Nov. 14, for more. At least a dozen other banks have done so.
In an interview with McClatchy, Massachusetts Rep. Barney Frank, the House Financial Services Committee chairman, who shepherded the legislation through Congress, disagreed that the plan has morphed beyond its original intent.
"Buying equity was always in the plan," he insisted. Still, he said he'd hold a Nov. 18 hearing to look at some of the developments that are troubling other lawmakers.
Among them is the fact that Pittsburgh-based PNC Financial Services used some of its $7.7 billion in taxpayer money to purchase Cleveland-based lender National City for $5.8 billion on Oct. 24.
That raised a question: Did the taxpayer money spur more lending, as the plan was intended to do, or did it just let one strong bank, PNC, get stronger by absorbing a weaker rival?
Some experts think that's just fine.
"I think it is very positive if it's a healthy bank buying a weak bank, and it's an all-stock deal," said Bert Ely, an expert on banking regulation. PNC's purchase of National City was in the taxpayer interest because it promoted an orderly and needed consolidation in the banking sector, he said.
However, on the same day as the PNC deal, the American Council of Life Insurers confirmed that Treasury was considering giving cash to some big insurance companies whose failure could pose risks to global finance.
"The purpose (of the rescue plan) is not to sell life insurance policies," Frank acknowledged, noting that Treasury hadn't told him that it might take stakes in insurers, too.
Yet another concern is that banks that receive cash from the government were allowed to continue to pay dividends to shareholders. That raises the prospect that taxpayer money will be funneled not to new lending but to well-heeled investors who buy bank stocks.
That's unlikely, the Bush administration insists.
Ed Lazear, the chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, said on Thursday that he isn't worried that banks will use taxpayer money to pay shareholders because it's in their own interest to lend.
"So if they take that money and simply pay interest on it or pay dividends on it and don't lend it out and make money themselves, that's not a very good position for them to be in," he said.
Now, in perhaps the bailout's strangest twist, reports this week said that negotiations to merge General Motors and Chrysler hang on the government providing cash injections into the carmakers' auto-financing arms. For that to work though, the auto-finance arms first must convert themselves into commercial banks to be eligible for taxpayer loans.
It's all a far cry from Treasury's sales pitch of September - that the rescue plan would provide a two-for-one, rescuing banks and homeowners in one fell swoop.
"It really highlights that if you are not working from a set of core principles, you can drift. And this rescue package has drifted," said Vincent Reinhart, a former top Federal Reserve director from 2001 to 2007 and now a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative research group.
John Coffee, a law professor at Columbia University in New York and adviser to Wall Street regulators, said the government missed an opportunity by taking equity stakes in banks without attaching requirements that they use the bailout funds for new loans to spur the economy.
"If we could do this all over again . . . you could have conditioned the loan (plan) on how the proceeds could be used," he said. "Some banks are still hoarding the money . . . and others simply are not interested in lending in areas where they classically lent, like construction lending, because they see a major recession coming. . . .
"Before this is over that we're going to have casinos in Las Vegas reconstituting themselves as bank holding companies" and applying for government loans, Coffee warned.
Other experts are more forgiving.
"I think Treasury's thought is that whatever risk they may run by creating confusion about the program is outweighed by the risk of failing to plug the holes in the financial dike, on a case by case basis, as they seem to be emerging. This is not an unreasonable judgment," said Robert Litan, an expert on regulation and banking for the Brookings Institution, a center-left policy research center.
There is no playbook for getting out of financial crisis like the current one, he said.
"This is like the New Deal on speed, or on Internet time. Treasury is trying to do its best to stop each potential crisis as it pops up," Litan said. "Another metaphor, Treasury's decision-making reminds me of 'whack a mole.'"
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Show AllSo let's use the bailout to buy some "health" insurance companies. Then, since all of us taxpayers will be investors, we can get dividends off the profits that are generated by denying medical care to policyholders. Then, we can use those dividend checks to buy the medical care that is denied to us by our "health" insurance!
And as we raise medical prices, our profits will just rise and rise, yielding greater and greater health care for all.
See, it really can trickle down!!
Taxpayers' bailout money being misused? Did I read it correctly? Could this happen in America, the Beacon on the Hill, the country that every other nation tries to copy? I feel myself going into a deep depression.
No matter. Soon, what with the coming ECOLOGICAL CRISIS and all, it won't matter anyway. Did you know we need two planets to sustain our current resource depletion? No?
Get yourself up to speed or people will talk. Read 'SAD'. Where?
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Joe Barton is a crock of shit. What does he think the Pentagon budget does year after year and doesn't he vote for that with dedication? What about his drive to privatize social security or have this country run off of nuclear power, and his very close ties to big oil companies (he receives some of the biggest campaign donations from oil companies compared to other Representatives)?
He is my representative and judging by his record of serving corporate interests I can only assume that his comment is due of timing: he is up for re-election. It would do his campaign no good to advocate the economic policies he normally advocates, especially when voters biggest concern is the economy.
He can talk all the BS he wants, I still am voting against him.
Ol' Franky is from Boston, a democrat no less. It goes to show how the people in this country are being played for fools.
USA folks are so struck with "fear" that they don't "feel". I have said it before and I will say it again, the government knows how to operate the "universal law of attraction", when will the folks of this country learn it?
http://www.economy-and-the-law-of-attraction.com/Abe_On_World_Financ.html
Barton takes credit for saying "I told you so," when years ago citizens and consumer org's as well as some economists and law enforcement agencies were warning this exact thing would happen. They warned openly and loudly that if govt didn't stop turning a blind eye to the mortgage fraud going on in the entire real estate industry, we'd see serious economic damage. There is no way anyone in this industry or in govt can claim at all that they didn't see this coming a long time ago. Their failure to rein in the fraudsters when there was still time shows me they were in on it all along.
One can only hope that American public has finally learned its' lesson and puts Wall Street on a much shorter leash. It is also well past time that financial services and insurance be subject to the same sort of regulatory rigor as doctors. The consequences should things go badly is much too dire to be left to an unregulated group of greedy jerks.
Banks, Brokerage houses, and Insurers have still not been separated by regulation which is a big part of the problem. Further there's still a 600 Trillion dollar derivatives market which dwarfs the real economy. Derivatives are financial mechanisms, like being able to make money on betting that your companies stock will plummet (put option). They represent absolutely nothing of real economic value and provide the pretext to financial dominance by gamers scamming the system and the people.
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Daniel Vincent Kelley
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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec08/nader_10-14.html
Ralph Nader PBS Interview:
If you make the speculators pay for their own bailout, then there's a relief throughout America that there's some fairness coming out of Washington.
A 0.1 percent tax on security derivative transactions in one year -- it's going to be $500 trillion of transactions in one year -- is $500 billion. So that alone would make a sense of equity. And you wouldn't put it on the backs of the taxpayer.
England has that kind of tax, by the way, for years. FDR had it. We helped finance the Civil War with it. But after World War II, it was scrapped.
So people go into a store in all your areas where your show shows, and they buy necessities of life, and they pay 6 percent or 7 percent sales tax. Tomorrow, someone in Wall Street can buy a billion dollars of Exxon derivatives, pay no sales tax. That's where the fairness has to go.
http://www.nader.org/
Rolling the Dice on Derivatives
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Nader is now focusing much of his campaign on attacking the $700 billion financial rescue package that he charged has benefited speculators on Wall Street but won't do much to put the country on solid footing.
"This is the final break of the Washington dam for any respect for the taxpayers' rights," Nader said. "In 1775 there were 13 colonies in America under King George III. Now there are 50 colonies under King George IV and it's the same awful message: taxation without representation."
Nader said he wants dramatic re-regulation of the financial markets and criminal prosecution of many Wall Street figures he charges cooked the books to show inflated profits. And he said he wants to "make the speculators pay for their crimes" by imposing a transaction tax on the sale of financial derivatives to raise money for helping stabilize the economy.
As he has in past campaigns, Nader said he didn't see much difference between the major-party candidates. Both, he said, support corporate interests and he was especially scathing of Obama.
Obama doesn't represent real change, Nader said. "This guy is the biggest con artist in our generation by far."
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Sioux Rose
Daniel: Are you sure it's that many trillion? The very existence of ONE such "derivative" is equivalent to a cancer eating away things of substance within the system within which it operates, but it was my understanding these derivatives were calculated at several trillion (bad enough).
Ali Baba and his forty dieves have already taken $70 billion for themselves and the rest is to be used to play monopoly with all the small banks for the benefit of our Fascist Dictator.
THE NOT-SO-INVISIBLE HAND:
HOW THE PLUNGE PROTECTION TEAM KILLED CAPITALISM
http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/manipulation.php
"Now, in perhaps the bailout's strangest twist, reports this week said that negotiations to merge General Motors and Chrysler hang on the government providing cash injections into the carmakers' auto-financing arms. For that to work though, the auto-finance arms first must convert themselves into commercial banks to be eligible for taxpayer loans."
Amazing. Aren't they already in line to get a separate bail-out package?
Probably not, but 5 bill doesn't go as far as it used to.
I suppose once everyone has had their snout in the trough, no one can be guilty of anything. I seem to remember reading somewhere just a little while ago something about the greatest rip off of the taxpayer in Usa history, a direct transfer of wealth from the lowest classes to the highest class. It still looks that way from here.
well sioux i have read that of course no one knows, but some think it might be a thousand trillion--is that a giga trillion?? as it's all about hedging only half should be available for loss..whatever it does not matter as the worldwide gdp is only somewhere around 60 trillion..we are big time into dealing for park place and broadway hoping the other will land next pass..
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Quadrillion.
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Raised Field Agriculture (Lost Ancient Agricultural system that delivers crop yields on par with modern agriculture which though is sustainable, not environmentally damaging by chemical fertilizer and pesticide.)
Wind Power (Wind energy over America if well enough harnessed could offer 2X the energy that America consumes from all sources today. This does not account for Skyrise Wind Turbines which is my very own invention that I can not find the least help to bring to market.)
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Wave, River and Tidal Hydro Power (More magnets spinning past wire coils...)
Conversion of solar energy by Heat Engine (aka Stirling Engine... Incidentally solar by photovoltaic and nuclear and biodiesel and oil from half empty wells ALL require more energy to deliver to market than they could possibly return, thus are energy drains and not in the least energy solutions.)
Regenerative medicine (The use of adult stem cells to grow limbs and damaged tissues and whatever's necessary to repair a person.)
Oxidative Medicine (The use of high levels of oxygen to dissolve ANY organism foreign to the human system.)
Chelation (The removal of heavy metal toxins from the body by EDTA.)
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Daniel Vincent Kelley
.With all due respect, Mr. Kelley,
I understand that you are passionate about your subject, but you are spamming this forum. Please stop.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
NO ONE seems to know with confidence the depth of the problem. I expect that the truth would start a real panic. The seven hundred billion is being provided to the rich to buy them time to get their assets and themselves out of the country. The rest is just public drama to hide their escape. It is plausible. It is consistent with their past criminal behaviors.
Anybody get the feeling that the GOP has engineered this bailout (and perhaps the crash itself) as one big free for all grab bag... so that they can buy up the competition, and monopolize the monopolies before they get booted from the White House?
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Bush played '' GOTCHA" again...
What say you America ?????
VOTE NADER/GONZALEZ 2008… You’ll be glad you did and so will I…
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And Fox neocon Channel will blame it all on Clinton and Obama. And ACORN!
.Why do you fail to consider that, as a two party legislature, every decision is the responsibility of BOTH parties! I for one am sick and tired of party loyalty replacing common sense and logic.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
YES.
Absolutely.
Hence the rush.
Who watches the watchers?
"That raised a question: Did the taxpayer money spur more lending, as the plan was intended to do, or did it just let one strong bank, PNC, get stronger by absorbing a weaker rival?
"Some experts think that's just fine."
Huh???
What financial or economic "expert" thinks LESS competition in a market is "just fine?" So, what are these "experts'" views on monopoly?
"So if they take that money and simply pay interest on it or pay dividends on it and don't lend it out and make money themselves, that's not a very good position for them to be in," said Ed Lazear,chairman of the White House Committee of Economic Advisors.
However...
"Some banks are still hoarding the money . . . and others simply are not interested in lending in areas where they classically lent, like construction lending, because they see a major recession coming" - Prof. John Coffee.
Let me get this straight:
It would make sense for banks to lend out the taxpayer's money and (as candidly stated by Chairman Lazear) "make money THEMSELVES", but that only makes sense in healthy economy.
Therefore, some are doing what makes sense in recessionary times: they're keeping it for THEMSELVES!
It is this coup secured by Wall Street that has their counterparts on Bay Street and across the globe pushing their governments for similar "injections".
All the bailout did was redistribute about $8000 from every citizen in America into the pocketbooks of select corporate CEOs. Probably the worst and most blatant example of a class warfare moneygrab I've seen in my lifetime.
Bank robbers have come a long way since the old west, now they're called politicians. They have been doing this to us for the past 8 years and it started with the theft of our elections.
Actually it started with Regan, was maintained by Bush Sr, Slowed down a little with Clinton and greatly accelerated by Bush Jr. I think that's quite a bit longer than 8 years.
Rickster
People used to rob banks, now banks rob people.
anastas: read Howard Zinn's latest articles (one is online at the Nation website), one of the first things the new gov't did after the first Administration was set up in the new USA, was take over the bad debts of some rich folks. I can't remember if it was bankers.
What does this do but demonstrate what is already known -- capitalism is a fraud, and the whole myth of free competition is being knocked out directly as the fiercely independent competitors run after public handouts like inmates in a labor camp running after crusts of bread.
This is needed to engrave on the minds of the public at large that it's not the poor who are the welfare cheats, but the rich & the propertied who have been stealing from the working class all along. It's worth a thousand historical or theoretical studies on capitalism: no need to go to the classic texts, the people are learning directly, without any theoretical interventions, from events.
Those who accuse abuse! LOL!
I'm shocked — shocked! — to find profiteering going on in this unregulated establishment.
There's even gambling going on in the back room. Nope, actually that was right out in the front room for all to see.
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The elites are pathetic. They want taxpayers to merge US automakers to keep the US auto industry competitive in the global market. This is wrong in so may ways: 1. the public treasury is already looted into the ground, 2. corporate welfare (upward wealth redistribution) only feeds the greed, 3. detroit deserves not a dime having ferociously pushed 3x oversized and 5x overpowered gas hogs amid ecological/economic catastrophe, 4. ownership of production should be dispersed among the local regions, not consolidated, 5. the global market is bogus since other nations markets are relatively closed, competitors are oversized, and global shipping is unsustainable.
Giant automakers should be put out of their misery, and auto production ownership dispersed regionally. Fewer cars should be produced, and should average 120 mpg to start. Strategies to protect local markets will be put in place. So we have a revolutionary plan. All we need is someone to commit more crimes to finally catalyze the general revolution. O'Bama is proven elitist enough for the role. He wants to surge the war on innocents, surge the grand theft, surge the ecological disaster, all the elements of the status quo, so it's probably just a matter of time.
Still a few months left for Bush to declare Marshall Law as the millions of new homeless, jobless and foodless look for food and shelter.
I'd want to prop up the banks and install government people inside for the upcoming DEPRESSION/thinning of the masses, too.
Face it, you throw 850 billion into the air, some is going to come down and land in your back pocket. Thats why Barney Frank, Pelosi and most of the rest are backing this any way it turns out(unregulated)thats why they picked such a large amount...so all them and thier buddies could be filthy rich.
Yep, we been robbed.
http://www.economy-and-the-law-of-attraction.com/Abe_On_World_Financ.html
Naw, it will be Obama who declares martial law and sends the troops and riot police out into the streets against us.
I already got one taste of that in Denver, so it won't surprise me.
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For me the bottom line is simple. You can't have a stable economy when all the money ends up abroad, and the consumers no longer have good enough jobs to pursue the "dream". Recycling debt like gamblers in a casino until its worthless doesn't work, and the bailout just pumped good money after bad. We're broke.
As the early post above says, the climate change crisis will someday make all this irrelevant as we deal with refugees, shortages and rationing.
It really highlights that if you are not working from a set of core principles, you can drift. And this rescue package has drifted,"..
It was always intended to drift.
Paulson's Swindle Revealed
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21125.htm
Ultimately Obama will have to answer for this and it does not bode well. It appears that the wheels are being greased to continue business as usual when it has already been exposed as license to steal. Since folks were using credit to inflate the wealth, what good will further lending do--it will just continue spiralling. As any kind of stopgap measure it will only accelerate a total meltdown. I see this as Obama's greatest liability for putting his stamp of approval on fairydust and demanding congress line up after following Clintonista advice looking to cover their own interests. Someone shoulda told him:
It is the economy, stupid.
So, now the next Obama myth is that somehow he doesn't know any better and its not his fault he got bad advice?
I suppose this might be the next Dem fall-back cover position to keep people from realizing Obama has gotten millions in campaign contributions from exactly the same people to whom he helped give billions of our money.
But, never, ever will the Democrats admit their leaders are just corrupt crooks who do what they are paid to do.
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Quit yer whining. This ain't a black and white world of good and evil and quit trying to pigeonhole people like a little sullen brat. I was tossed off Democratic partisan sites long ago for not lining up. Gotta say, your just as bed at demanding allegiance.
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Actually UNTIL Obama becomes a better Senator how can we expect him to become a better President? Actions are words...
VOTE NADER/GONZALEZ 2008… You’ll be glad you did and so will I…
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Nannie: and so will McCain.
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Voting for McCain or Obama will be a vote for politics as usual, according to Nader.
If people want someone who will sit in Washington, then they should vote for McCain or Obama, but if they want someone who has demonstrated over 40 years of volunteering for the American people, they should vote for him and his running mate Matt Gonzalez, Nader said.
"With Obama and McCain you get what you pay for," Nader said. "With us you get what you vote for."
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I could use some help paying rent for the next year or so while I finish school. It wouldn't cost billion, or even millions or hundreds of thousands. Anyone?
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Send to ... sec_paulsen@ustreasury.gov
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