Banks Reap Whirlwind of Govt Spending
BOSTON - The George W. Bush administration handed 125 billion dollars to nine of Wall Street's richest banks, but this will do little to help the economy that is crumbling around ordinary U.S. citizens, independent experts and activists say.
"There is no way a modern economy can function without good roads, telecommunication, rail transport and an educated labour force," Allan Mendelowitz, a member and former chairman of the Federal Housing Finance Board, told IPS.
Bush's new Office of Financial Stability, led by Neel Kashkari, sealed a deal Tuesday to provide the billions, plus 125 billion dollars more for small banks, to encourage them to start lending to each other and the world's biggest businesses again.
A freeze in lending, related to the banks' risky trading ventures, has slowed the global economy, rocked stock markets around the world, and tightened lending throughout the U.S. economy.
"We're not proud of all the mistakes that were made by many different people, different parties, failures of our regulatory system, failures of market discipline that got us here," said Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson Thursday in an interview on Fox Business Network.
Earlier Wednesday, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke painted a grim picture of the months ahead, but tried to sound confident of the government's ability to fix the economy.
"We will not stand down until we have achieved our goals of repairing and reforming our financial system," Bernanke said, echoing a statement by leaders of the G8 richest nations.
But markets around the world were reeling again on Thursday, and declined significantly in Asia, Britain, Germany and France.
The stock market in the U.S. has been erratic, gaining or losing hundreds of points nearly every day. It ran up 936 points Monday, was down 733 points Wednesday and on Thursday by closing time was up 400 points.
Lewis Pitts, a public interest lawyer in North Carolina, said, "Look at the whirlwind of activity that's focused on a select few, the wealthiest. Meanwhile, it's a mess out there. There is real pain among the working poor," he said.
"Just think if we used those billions directly on jobs," Pitts said.
The U.S. funds for the banks are being drawn from 700 billion dollars approved by Congress Oct. 3 under an emergency request by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson. The nine big banks that received the 125 billion dollars hold 50 percent of all deposits in the U.S.
"The American people must understand that this carefully structured plan is aimed at helping you," Bush said earlier in the week.
Bush and Paulson, a former CEO of Goldman Sachs, originally proposed using the funds to buy up bad mortgage assets from the Wall Street firms, a controversial idea opposed by many economists as ineffective and objected to by much of the public.
But with markets sliding, lending at a standstill and pressure from some European nations, the Bush administration changed course last week and announced the bank buyout programme, which runs counter to its hard-line, free-market ideology.
"I frankly don't want the government being involved with businesses, owning businesses. I don't think it's good for the country. It was necessary that the stock be purchased to help us through this financial crisis, but in the long run it's not good for the country," Bush said Wednesday.
"They've handled this very poorly. They have a strong ideology that markets are perfect and are self-correcting. It's not true," Mendolowitz said. "This administration sat on its hands until the situation on the ground became so severe and the facts trumped their ideology and dogma."
"At this point what they are doing is trying to prevent another great depression. It's too late to prevent a recession, we're in the midst of it," he said.
The Bush administration should have acted sooner, he said, adding that its misguided policies "have weakened our economy and society".
"In the developed world we have the worst income distribution of any country. A smaller and smaller portion of our population has a larger claim on wealth. This manifests in that the working poor have less and less income and have a harder time making ends meet," Mendelowitz said.
Focusing on infrastructure and education would be a good start, Mendelowitz said. "Infrastructure projects create real jobs."
Still, turning the nation around, if the next president wishes to, will not be easy.
"Look at all the damage that's been caused in two presidential terms," he said.
Democratic congressional leaders have announced a plan for 150 billion dollars in spending on roads and social support programmes, to be considered by the lame-duck Congress after elections in November.
"The whole concept of bailing out these institutions is dubious," said Phil Mattera, director of the corporate research project of Good Jobs First, an independent non-profit.
"Buying a stake in them might be sensible but there must be safeguards against conflicts of interest, and as long as the federal government is not being ripped off," Mattera said.
The U.S. seems to have negotiated a soft deal with the banks, he said.
Under the Paulson plan, the U.S. will receive 5 percent interest on the bank shares it purchases for three years and nine percent thereafter.
The British negotiated 12 percent interest in a similar arrangement with banks and investor Warren Buffet will receive 10 percent interest on the stock he purchased from General Electric.
"There are a lot of problems. In all the panic about a market collapse it shouldn't be that these issues are going to be put aside until it's too late," Mattera said.
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Show AllRecession, Unemployment and Government spending, this is too much. But did you know that there is a so-called center for lending. Its Martin Eakes and coupled with its partner organization the Self Help credit union headed The Center for Responsible Lending, is a bit of a misnomer. This center promotes mortgage loans to be made by people whom turns out, irresponsible to lend to. They’ve made their propaganda machine on the cash advance industry, recently restricted in Ohio by the Small Loan Act, and when cash advance lenders there found legal means to stay in business, they started screaming about it in a most child-like fashion. It’s really hard to believe they really are a Center for Responsible Lending. Be very careful click this link for more information: http://personalmoneystore.com/moneyblog/2009/03/09/center-for-responsible-lending-2/
Will the people will wipe the smiles off of these faces?
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Ralph Nader :
"Capitalism will never fail because Socialism will always be there to bail it out."
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snydly
Time for the FBI to use its expanded powers of tapping and searching to correlate data around Bush's trip to Saudi A., pre-crash, short sellers, and the old routine---follow the money. Agents, your country needs you.
Chase the Chevy to the Levee
A flood is so cleansing
even if it's ‘corporate culture dependance’ cash
Maybe it will even catch the lashed back public
but...
Will warfare have beens learn prudence
so that ‘cash for trash’
can wash up warfare?
Will the welfare corporate suits
join the couch potato populace
to ogle foamy car wash babes
and wonder...
Is this pre flood bailing
or atonement just for failing?
Could the levers prop up new levees
what about the plight of Chevys?
Who's chasing trashy meltdown assets
with Generation next promises?
could it be the 'corporate culture of dependence'
that 'we the people' do wash enable?
Who will chill out the pubic mark
can we count on six pack plumber Joe
to save us from the public drain?
A flood is so cleansing
no thanks to preemptive bailing
"We need to make ads illegal , and stop the empty pursuit of ridiculous profits."
Sorry KDelphi I agree with a lot of what you say, but not this. Ads can be funny, informative, stupid, useless, they cannot make us do anything. What needs to be brought back is critical thinking, it is the antidote to reckless capitalism. I don't need people to protect me from myself, I am fully capable of understanding what I need, or want and making informed decisions for myself. Admittedly we can not make informed decisions without honest information, but that is where the energy needs to be focused, you want to cure the symptom, not the disease. I don't need a big Daddy deciding for me what I can and can't be exposed to. OTOH, we all need a parent from early on teaching us how to think for ourselves.
Sioux Rose
SAMSON: Excellent analogy raised in your post (4:30).
Last night I went for a ride and had a little voice in my head enact what would pass for a Hollywood movie about TODAY'S Mafia... having learned from the S & L scam, the father says to the son, "Forget about robbing the banks! Today, you BECOME the bank!" Inside Job on steroids! Check out what PATRICK BYRNE has to say about the connection in his article, Deep Capture. We truly are now confronted by BANKSTERS...
Sioux Rose,
I am only partially through reading Deep Capture but it is quite revealing. I would compare what he says in his reporting on the economic crisis to what Peter Ward who wrote "Under A Green Sky" has to say about the climate crisis.
We have no idea how deep the problems go. No idea.
Bush let all his fellow "rich white guys" take all the candy they could get for 8 years, and turned the other way. Now he's doing all he can to spread around a little (no a lot) more sugar to the greediest people in the world before he leaves the giant, and I mean never seen before-colossal MESS to whoever comes after.
So now he gives money to promote lending-to whom and for what? To only those that have good credit (the wealthy-because most middle class people have trashed credit), and for what? Housing, so that the continued 'flipping" of houses for the upper middle class and upper class can remain profitable, (because no one in the lower classes could ever afford to buy a house, especially not in the last 10 years or so, with real estate maggots turning profits hand over fist.)
So what's my idea to clean it up? Look at folks who made a great deal of money in real estate in the last 10 years and take the money from them, to bolster the budget, and clean up the economy. Start some kind of health care for everyone, and put George Bush and all his "rich white guy" cronies on trial for TREASON. I'd say completely trashing the country should count as terrorism.
THEN everybody in America needs to get a clue that we never have had the right to all the STUFF we have. We do not have a RIGHT to big houses and gas hogging cars, and giant lawnmowers, new clothes every season, big tv's and all the other STUFF that everyone thinks is their right as an American citizen.
We need to get the advertising agencies to go by a new creed-'screw making a profit, let's give people truth!' And we need to get the government and business world to accept the "triple bottom line" (People, Planet, Profit-and it's in that order for a reason).
And then we all need to realize that what we are here for is not profit and comfort.
We are so isolated from each other as a society that we have throw-away marriages, our noses in TV's and our kids can't ride to the grocery store with us without the video player on in the back seat.
Maybe we all need a victory garden-or a reality garden, and to take responsibility for our own happiness.
Because happiness, like money, doesn't grow on trees.
I agree with most of what you say.
But, before "advertising agencies" wuld work for anything that wasnt hugely profitable, theyd stay home!
If these WallSt. guys had what some f us have(or dont have), suddenly, they would probably commit suicide.
We need to make ads illegal , and stop the empty pursuit of ridiculous profits.
Here's a music video on YouTube about the subject: "Heckuva Job, Congress":
http://www.youtube.com/Eskit99
Let's shut downt the Pentagon. We can no longer afford empire. Shift that money toward life affirming, productive projects that provide jobs, retrofit our cities to sustainable energy, food production and transportation systems, and redesign the American dream to be about quality of life versus quantity of crap.
As the American People continue to feel the returning pain of their past negative actions, slowly at first, then much more rapidly, a silence will fall upon them. This should be understood to be the "quiet before the storm." Paupers and bankers alike will be frozen in silence and fear.
I am reminded of something I read on Peter the great. I cant remember what book it was in so do not bother asking. In any case.
He would visit Paris or some other city and bring along his entourage. Along with them was brought a chamber pot of 24 carat gold. He would pull his trousers down and sit on this pot and defecate mid way through the meal as others were dining.
He would then wipe his backside with banknotes of very high denominations, then pay the waiters and others that served him with said notes.
Whether true or not, this tale a good analogy for the America worker. They are all too happy with the shit that trickles down to them and should be GRATEFUL for what they are allowed.
I am mystified as to how, in the richest country in the world, one where 1 trillion dollars a year are spent on arms and war and the killing of another countries people, so many can suggest that those that want a decent roof over their heads, a decent health care system enough food to eat, are "living beyond their means" .
The simple fact is this. Everyone in this world can live a decent lifestyle. It is CAPITALISM that prevents such. It is the inequitable distribution of wealth. We are sold this message it not possible by the same people who wish to keep us in servitude.
We do not need as much as we are TOLD we need to live meaningful and happy lives but this should not mean we should settle for nothing out of shame or guilt because others might have less.
I have a need of a place to stay when I sleep at nights. . My giving that up for another solves nothing.
No one needs 7 places to sleep at night. lets make sure we recognize who the true enemies of social justice are. It ain't some poor slob who has lived in an apartment all his life who decides he wants to buy some home he can not really afford.
PK
Well said.
Thank you! All very true. We might well define "decent" differetly, but , I waas middle class once, so I guess I can understand it.
Saying that poor people are greedy is just ridiculous. They just dont have any money!! I have found it very rare that it is entirely their fault.
Poor people are not the enemy , either. They are just easy targets for cowards
Capitalism kills. Every second every minute, every day.
I agree, but, "thanks for the visuals on Peter the Great, guy!"
LOL!-
Wow!
How could it be that you are ALL correct? Well, Hell. Sarah got her Rapture and she ain't even been elected yet...
It really pisses me off that I can't buy a mooseburger in my Midwestern town. Meanwhile we used to have beaver around here. I remember seeing them in Four Mile creek. I want to eat some beaver meat. But 8 years of Sarah Palin? Oh My God. Excuse me while I head for the bathroom all orifices demanding release from the pending dam(n).
As an old friend of mine used to say, "We are facacht." He was right.
Meanwhile, how did it come to pass that we enabled George W. Bush, an international war criminal in his own ("signing statement") right to illegally assassinate Saddam Hussein in broad daylight, who, however corrupt, was a recognized head of state. Let's call the kettle black. Think about it. Bush caused the assassination of another Head of State! And that man had absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11. So why are we occupying Iraq? Because a lot of people are getting rich plundering what remains of the national Treasury by occupying Iraq. You get the picture. It is obscene. You know what I mean.
It is time to invoke Class Warfare and to VOTE to end the violence that comes naturally from any huge inequality of earning power. For example, I know computers. I fix systems when they go bad, yet I have not received a pay raise in 9 years and I work part-time so I have no "benefits." My boss is a millionare and high in the local GOP. High enough to attend Washington, D.C. parties of the rich for Bush. Golly. I cannot kill him because then I would lose my job.
Chris Horton is exactly right. He ought to be a CD author as opposed to a Blogger. Nothing will ever be the same as it was. The Bastards have stolen all sense of what it means to be human. We need to take back our Humanity, Big Time.
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Agree, agree, agree.
Forget moose--they never did anything--lets eat the rich!! (Remember the song? Well, those guys are really rich now!)
Big protest on Wall Street next weekend....
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eJ5l4VAZnNw/SPetWp8jo0I/AAAAAAAABXM/0ShLcEVb1IU/s1600-h/october24leaflet.gif
Another half ass plan.
This is how IRAQ was done.
Its our turn now. The in-competence will be served right here at home now.
Brace yourself.
I am toophat to brace!
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21041.htm
My browser wont open this fricking page.
I hate my pc. But, besides being a used pc, it is better than no pc.
Try this
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
great link
thanks
To use Christianese to describe the US political situation:
The candidates are merely the sheep. The members of the corporate media are the border collies. And the elites of the corporate oligarchy are the shepherds. Sheep that leave the flock, like Nader, are forced to barren pastures and left to starve. And if they try to take over the flock, they will be torn to pieces by the border collies (some unusually aggressive, possibly rabid, border collies).
The people are starving shepherds, without any sheep, who need to overcome the border collies and the shepherds of the oligarchy. They will need their own border collies, and they could benefit from a new and surprising plan of attack.
Until the people show up in Washington D.C. in numbers uncountable…nothing will happen. It has to be spontaneous and unannounced.
And how, pray tell, would millions suddenly get together in DC spontaneously and unannounced??!!?
No kidding! Simply beyond bizarre some (most!?) of the cockamamy notions and schemes of posters pretending to be half-serious 'radicals' or progressives supposedly promoting 'real' change.
You'd think that the planet has never before come across the need to ORGANIZE to effect real change. It's all about ORGANIZING. Not about some mysterious spontaneous 'happening' with millions milling around Washington (with people hawking t-shirts, etc.) like some kind of overblown Grateful Dead get-together. And demanding change, which of course, as mysteriously as this unannounced throng materialized in the Capital, our leaders would just grant like that, with words like: "Gosh darn almighty, what can you do with such a spontaneous crowd of change seekers. Must be His will!"
ORGANIZING is likely the most straight-forward and difficult thing to do. No mysteries, no short-cuts, no favours from heaven, just endless work of contacting people, organizing activities, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.,
And it really helps if the objective situation is ripe--real problems for the majority that turns their attention to the need for change.
It's also great to have models available of how to proceed. We could do no better than Obama. (I can already hear all those confused, holier-than-thou, too-pure-for-the-rest-of-us, cocooned, utopian leftoids and those Nader trolls tapping away at their keyboards.)
Leaving aside ideology, Obama has accomplished a truly incredible bit of organizing. He stole the nomination right from underneath the nose of the biggest, richest, nastiest, most far-reaching political machine ever assembled--with superior ORGANIZING. Not only did he show that he completely understood and could use the lastest internet communication methods and techniques, but he obviously deeply understands the present crop of 'young people' and how they see themselves and how they communicate.
And don't forget the millions he got from Wall Street and all the free press from the MSM. Ah, yes , he's a community organizer. And just what "community" is he organizing now? From my vantage point it is the one with all the money.
From the article "'Look at all the damage that's been caused in two presidential terms,' he said." I think he should have said "...in at least the last 4 pres. terms."
When they reach their breaking point...and when the election is canceled, postponed or stolen, that just may do it!!! After the bailout/grand theft on a monumental scale, citizens MUST be reaching a breaking point. If not, I imagine we will have to wait until massive hunger or the END of TV broadcasts and martial law.
Look, I'm not going to stand for it any longer! You can't just blame the Bankers and Investment Brokers. It's not fair!
Others are successfully involved in 'running the world for our exclusive benefit' scams, others, you hear? Why pick on just one group? There are three groups who are to blame, yes, three!
Bet you can't guess who they are. Full details are provided on my blog. The post is called:
Father, Son and Holy Ghost!
www.dangerouscreation.com
I've had a poster on the wall of my bedroom for the PAST FIFTEEN YEARS:
Support the Tobin Tax!
Currency speculators gamble $1.5 trillion daily which:
Destabilizes national economies
Triggers currency devaluations and economic crises
These financial crises can:
Deepen poverty
Boost national debt
Increase unemployment and hunger
A TOBIN TAX (named after Nobel Prize economist James Tobin) could change the world. This tax on currency speculation set at a mere 1/4% would earn $250 billion a year. That's about what the UN says is needed to wipe out the worst forms of poverty, clean up our ravaged environment, and to provide:
basic healthcare
nutrition
education
clean water and sanitation
FOR EVERY PERSON ON EARTH!
Isn't it time for Tobin?
FIFTEEN YEARS this poster has been on my bed room wall. FIFTEEN YEARS.
This is a great idea (wondered what the Tobin tax was), and Sanders proposed something like it on the Bailout, (10% on millionaires), but, he wasnt even given a vote.
I say, make it 1%, at least.
For criminals, take everythign theyve got. Dont put them in jail, where we have to pay for them, and honest pot smokers have to put up with their whining.("lets do a jail break, men! Lets go over the fence!" Scooter replies, "Not in these pants, I'm not!") (From Natl Lampoon, on the Watergate criminals)
Take everything, and let them survive on the streets liek they make other do.
After all, THAT would be a LEVEL playing field!!
Right. And, also eliminate the Federal Reserve and all central banks that charge interest on the currency they create from thin air; then get rid of the World Bank, the IMF and the BIS and we're in business....!
The entire Bush family represents the most devious, corrupt and criminal cabal of ALL TIME. The question is how do they rule and steal and continue to get away with it time after time after time? The answer: money, power, fear, bribery, intimidation and murder. NO ONE likes to hear the truth...but there it is!
Have them dredge Bushy's lake--like on Silverado.
Alan MacDonald
Excellent article about the conspiratorial scam that this ruling-elite 'corporatist Empire' has pulled-off by pulling the strings on its economic and political front-men.
Here's another article that turns up the heat on the dirty, self-serving 'bailout' deal orchestrated by the 'corporatist Empire' hiding behind the facade of its two-party, 'Vichy' excuse for a government:
[Headline]-- "US Treasury meeting: How the financial aristocracy laid down the law"
"Accounts of the October 13 meeting between US Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and top bank CEOs on the government’s bailout of Wall Street—now estimated at $2.5 trillion—paint an extraordinary portrait of class relations in America. Though they were to receive hundreds of billions of dollars from the Treasury to stave off a credit collapse of their own making, the bankers arrogantly refused to accept the slightest limits on their prerogatives."
"The bankers’ response to the initial presentation of the bailout was for the most part one of furious opposition. Wells Fargo CEO Richard Kovacevich objected to limits on executive pay—he is currently entitled to $43 million in retirement benefits and $140 million in stock and options. The New York Times, in its account of the meeting, reassuringly noted, “Pay experts say the new Treasury limits would probably not affect his exit package.”
"These objections were echoed by Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein, Citigroup CEO Vikram Pandit, Merrill Lynch CEO John Thain and JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon."
"Treasury increased US liabilities by $2.25 trillion, without any Congressional vote or semblance of democratic consultation with the American people.
"The bailout deal underscores a powerful social reality: There is a ruling class in America, whose interests the government is dedicated to defend, by blatantly unequal treatment if necessary. Despite ritual invocations of democracy, the American ruling class will not allow any popular interference in matters affecting its fundamental interests."
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/oct2008/paul-o16.shtml
"The American people must understand that this carefully structured plan is aimed at helping you," said the AIPAC teleprompter.
The comment at 4.27pm on the Huffpo article ...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/17/aig-fraud-case-using-the_n_135670.html
has a bearing on this and suggests the more outlandish claims by Storey in reports on http://www.worldreports.org/news appear to be prescient.
"We will not stand down until we have achieved our goals of repairing and reforming our financial system," Bernanke said...
Should read: “We will not stand down until we have given every red cent from every poor American to our friends running the banks and the big corporations.”
ChrisHorton October 17th, 2008 12:41 pm:
“Already Kucinich and others are calling for the government to start issuing a new currency, now, before the old one has collapsed....”
Can you provide a source for this? I googled and couldn't find anything that said he was doing such a thing. If he did, that would be pretty big news, I should think, and KDelphi October 17th, 2008 1:38 pm: where? Please post a link.
Sorry. I cant seem to find what you are referring to. Kucinich's idea? If I said anything about that, I was just quoting someone else. I think it would be good, personally. But I dont know anymore about it then you do.
In the words of Bob Marley: "We gotta chase those crazy baldheads out of the town."
Joe
"We're not proud of all the mistakes that were made by many different people, different parties, failures of our regulatory system, failures of market discipline that got us here," said Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson Thursday in an interview on Fox Business Network."
Me thinks Herr Paulson missed one...the law...the failure of the law to stop this ongoing crime! The law, and justice, failed to protect the American people from the predatory lending practices that have been rampant under this, the most criminal executive branch in history. Fraud is their middle name, and what has happened with the banks, and the current disaster is simply put, fraud, on a monumental (emphasis on mental) scale! The banks are being robbed from the INSIDE...and Bush's foisting of this multi-trillion dollar fraud is in support of those criminals, i.e. the "bail-out" is a very convenient way of covering their criminal tracks.
Just add this to the mountain of illegal acts that this administration has been directly responsible for. With luck, and actual jurisprudence, the main players can eventually be brought to justice to pay for their crimes. This administration began by stealing the taxpayers hard earned money for a personal vendetta against Saddam Hussein, and it appears that the final punctuation is going to be very similar...screwing the American people, once again, out of mass quantities of their money.
I'm so tired of the real terrorists who've been inhabiting the White House for the last 8 years...once their gone, it's time to fumigate that old building. Time to clean up after the vermin who've stained the honor of this country over and over and over again. And it's never enough...they're doing it all the way to inauguration day. Let's just hope they don't have anything worse than the current crisis still in their duffel bag of disasters. God knows, Iran is in their cross-hairs, and apparently so is Pakistan! Don't think these mobsters won't start another, or even two more, wars...because they are fully capable of it right up to the very minute Obama takes the oath of office.
I read most of the comments to a article. All I can say about ALL of them is "lip service" and that what it will continue to be, until you can't buy a gallon of gas at any price, and groups of more than 3 people are arrested and
charged with inciting to riot. Maybe suspending the Constitution and canceling the election will do it but I'm not going to hole my breath.
To truthprevails October 17th, 2008 4:26 pm,
Its all over but the shouting. The patient is dead, but just hasn't realized it yet. We can keep borrowing trillions and giving it to the bankers. Nothing will change. The current debt is unpayable but more will be borrowed and given to the rich. A few rich will get richer. The rest of us will lose everything. Some of the rich will hang from lamp posts but not nearly enough of them.
-- EKATON --
We could help them. :)
whatever they do, it will accelerate the transfer of real wealth to the 1%. move now, Americans, or move never.
Since the dawn of mankind, it's always been easier to point the finger at others rather than look into the mirror. Since 1960, each President and elected official have been to blame for the current crisis, though we - the people - are at fault for electing such unworthy folks AND for following their lead. Over 20 years ago in a trip overseas with today a multi-billionaire and one of the world's most astute financial minds in history, that person turned to me and said: "You know you can always borrow from the Piper, though when the Piper comes calling you must pay him back."
America and Americans, Europe and Europeans, the world and its citizens have failed to understand the truth in these words. America's owes over $10.8 trillion to foreign countries today and that alongside other public and private debts tops $53 trillion! Never before has any nation in the history of the world or its peoples accumulated so much debt, in so little time. It settles out to over $175,000 per each living American citizen.
What goes around comes around. We will all suffer until this debt is a clean slate once again in the worse depression in the history of this country and this world, and it's unlikely things will come close to normal until 15 years or more from now.
There isn't any way to peace...Peace IS the WAY!
Just one question.......Where the stocks and gallows when we need them?
I happen to agree with you, but
"Peace is the way"
and
"Where the stocks and gallows?"
The duality of man lol...
tar and feathering is an American tradition. Once upon a time, the American people used to gather and do this to those who oppressed them and rip them off.
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"To know, and not to do, is not to know"
www.samsonsworld.blogspot.com
What a despicable lot. Where is the gutter that breeds this ilk?
Sioux Rose
Shakespeare pointed out that much of human life is a tale of sound and fury signifying nothing, and that's when it's NOT a tale told by an idiot. Like careful writers, names do come to mean something to the great Bard, and if he were witnessing today's fiduciary events, what would he make of this:
"Bush's new office of FINANCIAL STABILITY (Orwell, hello?) led by NEEL KASHKARI. The guy's fucking name says it all, "he is the CASH and CARRY man." And this office of financial stability? As ENLIVEN posted on this site via the TAROT's depiction of the worst card (of 78) in the prophetic pack... the tower struck by lightning is the anatomical equivalent of the center no longer holding, things coming apart. As I shared in previous posts, the I ching for 9-11-01 adds to 23, the hexagram/kua of splitting apart. Boy, we certainly ARE living in interesting, if highly unstable, times...
Yes, and wouldnt the Chinese saying apply?
"Much noise on stairs--no one appears".
Being fucked is multi-natonal!!
SMALL IS BEAUTIFUL/Economics When People Matter - E.F. Schumacher, 1973
The economic classic of that time is even more timely now.
It's still on my bookshelf and it's meanings are now as relevant for America as they were for third world countries. Appropriate technology matters.
That is an official "saying"(??) of Denmark (I dont kmow how else to put it)
Small is beautiful.
Wish I was there.
Nietzsche
The rich and their lackeys are fixing the system so that for them it will be business as usual, for the rest of us virtual slavery.
I heard on of these Republican types on public radio being asked "Why not give the money to the home owners in trouble?" Answer: "Who's to say they wouldn't spend it on a trip to Disneyland?"
So the bankers get the loot, which instead of lending, they hoard.
That picture says it all. I think they are laughing at us.
Our bridges are falling down, railroads neglected, education ignored, health care consists of waiting in the emergency room, and they laugh and laugh.
Who's to say the bankers won't spend it on a trip to Disneyland or the Riviera.
They are laughing because they know most of the people on the right who are mad at the bailout will vote for McCain, while most of the people on the left who are mad at the bailout will vote for Obama.
Since they own both Obama and McCain, they think this is quite hilarious.
Vote Nader!
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You know, Ralph Nader has actually done a lot of good for regular old citizen/consumers in the past. But he is one person, who is NOT part of the ruling cabal, so: a) he has no chance in hell of getting elected to any office and b)if some computer glitch created that happenstance - he'd be done in - literally!
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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec08/nader_10-14.html
Ralph Nader PBS Interview:
If you make the speculators pay for their own bailout, then there's a relief throughout America that there's some fairness coming out of Washington.
A 0.1 percent tax on security derivative transactions in one year -- it's going to be $500 trillion of transactions in one year -- is $500 billion. So that alone would make a sense of equity. And you wouldn't put it on the backs of the taxpayer.
England has that kind of tax, by the way, for years. FDR had it. We helped finance the Civil War with it. But after World War II, it was scrapped.
So people go into a store in all your areas where your show shows, and they buy necessities of life, and they pay 6 percent or 7 percent sales tax. Tomorrow, someone in Wall Street can buy a billion dollars of Exxon derivatives, pay no sales tax. That's where the fairness has to go.
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This is an excellent idea.
"B-b-b-b-ut--its "socialistic"!
It sounds very good. Is the Third Party debate on Sunday night on c-span-org?
"If you make the speculators pay for their own bailout, then there's a relief throughout America that there's some fairness coming out of Washington."
Let the stockholders bear the LOSSES as well as collect the PROFITS? Egads! What a concept!
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I’ll say it again…
We needed Ralph Nader as President in 2000.
We needed Ralph Nader as President in 2004.
We NEED Ralph Nader as President in 2008.
Never before as we do now
http://www.votenader.org/index.html
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How come Ralph Nader never raises his head except at election time? I have the utmost regard for him, but when I was young he was actively involved on a daily basis, doing--always making a difference by doing, rather than speaking about what we should do. He is, in that sense running the same foot race as the Democrats who used to do, but now have a talking game
.Tweck's response above is an excellent one. I would only add that perhaps this poster only pays attention to the political world around election time. This is not meant as a slur, well not individually anyway.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Ralph Nader raises his head all the time. You just have to pay attention. I was reading his articles and following his action from 2000-2008, he hasn't stopped. He's not just around when it's time for an election. Nader works 24/7 to improve this country and its democracy, for the people.
I would no more vote for Nader than cut off my little finger, because he has no chance of winning and I wouldn't want him as president anyway. He's an egotistical, control freak who can't begin to think about sharing in the sand box, or anywhere else.
His articles are mostly good, interesting, and often very informative. The man has some very real qualities, no doubt. After Katrina, I remember a classic Nader article that proposed alternatives to organizing and financing for people who had lost their homes. He outlined how to use cooperative financing, and he even included links, phone #s, email addresses, etc. Excellent research and communication, something at which he is obviously a master.
But confusing the writing of articles with ORGANIZING just shows how confused and naive are most Naderites. He doesn't know how to organize and doesn't care. Writing articles and his gadfly egotistical run for president every 4 years is easy, hugely ego-reinforcing, but totally pointless in terms of moving towards the real change he describes so well.
He's way too weird, egotistical, and control obsessed to do really good organizing. And...he has a really shaky streak.
During the Terry Shivo debacle, he came out completely on the wrong side with a demagogic piece of trash claiming the courts' decisions about pulling the plug were based on hearsay evidence (not true) and that she should be kept alive. He was obviously making a pitch to the religious bunch and willing to twist words and facts to get there. He has his strenghts, but his negative side screams out that he's the last person you want as president.
Ah yes, perhaps, if you say, but even 'twere that so, he would still be the lesser of 3 evils, and, apparently, for that reason alone, worthy of our vote.
My only complaint with Nader is that he hasn't replicated himself, taken on proteges. It would be great to have law school scholarships available every year to progressives with a similar degree of piss and vinegar -- and aptitude.
We're out here, Ralph. But we can't afford law school. If someone could give us a stab at law school without going into $80K debt, there would be Naderites all over the place. We better get to work now. His shoes will be hard to fill.
Nader wants ALL education FREE to Students.
but you knew that didn't you?
http://www.nader.org/
An archive of articles Nader writes once a week.
Also a search for any topic he speaks about.
Very informative of all his beliefs.
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Nader needs to speak up on these issues even more of he'll be lucky to get 1% at this rate. The only way Nader will ever be allowed to win is if we get ourselves and our friends, family, relatives, and neighbors to ditch the corporate media altogether. At this point, only the Internet seems useful these days. Nobody would otherwise know that Nader is even running or that there are even 3rd parties out there.
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We can beat the MSM by using the INTERNET...
Spread the word.Go to all the blogs.
Nader for President.
What say you America ?????
VOTE NADER/GONZALEZ 2008… You’ll be glad you did and so will I…
http://www.votenader.org/blog/
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"I'm angrier than I sound "...Ralph Nader
http://www.nader.org/
Rolling the Dice on Derivatives
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In discussing the bailout, it's easy to get so mired in the details that one loses sight of the big picture.
What's important is not, for example, that the US govt gets 5% dividend payments on the bank shares it buys (-- which incidentally omits much of the real story, since the Treasury's deal gives it no way to enforce payment of those dividends, & gives the banks the right to skip a year and a half of payments with no real penalty).
What's important is that the banksters caused the entire mess, by practices which immensely enriched them, but brought the world financial system to it knees. They were able to pull this off only because both US parties did their bidding by deregulating their industry. The crisis was then managed by both US parties swiftly agreeing to a deal that plundered the public Treasury, & passed the loot to the banksters. The deal was worked out behind closed doors, with only the banksters themselves, and Paulson -- who is one of them -- getting a seat at the table.
No process could possibly be less democratic, or capable of protecting the public's interests. No process could more graphically illustrate the workings of a financial dictatorship in action. In Wednesday's debate, Obama continued to portray the bailout in a positive light, & to maintain the fiction that meaningful steps are being taken to "make sure the taxpayer is being protected."
The financial oligarchy robbed the rest of the country, and both US political parties helped them do it. Just as Democrats put impeachment "off the table" for the Bush administration criminals, both parties helped the banksters loot the Treasury, & are not only protecting the banksters from any sort of accountability, but have further rewarded them by letting them write the rules for the national finances going forward. Just as the current political campaign refuses to address the scandalous fact that there were no WMD in Iraq, & that the war is therefore criminal aggression based on lies, neither party gets anywhere near acknowledging the basic truth about the bailout & financial crisis.
B-b-b-ut...Bush threatened to call for martial laaw! There wouldve been blood in the streets! And they wouldnt have just been nice and hit people mildly and locked them up and stuff like they did in Denver...
We HAVE to give rich people our money! Its our own gawddamn fault that we dont make enough...I hate poor people.
They only want to live in the "style to which they have become accoustomed"!
Don't worry, Bush can always call for Martial Law after he "postpones" the election and the unemployment rate hits 15% or more, Then all his cronies can take their hard earned profits from the stock market and invest in privatized prisons.
Crime is the new sub prime opportunity!
Not plausible. If Bush were strong enough to declare martial law, force down a nation-wide rebellion, keep the generals -- including the retired ones -- in line, then he'd certainly be strong enough to do something far safer (and simpler) politically: co-opt the Democratic Party. Give us non-elections, theatrical amusements for our benefit, to show that democracy has been served.
But I don't think the Democratic Party was co-opted by Bush. Rather, a common M.I.C. + banking interests + corporate media has co-opted them both. No cancellation of elections necessary. Indeed, the elections are good money for the corporate media.
But the Congrses only did the bailout because they were concerned for US!! Cant you see that??
The Democratic Party is definitely co-opted. But anyone who thinks of Bush as the culprit, then they are missing the fundamentals behind American politics.
Look at the fundraising of the 2000, 2004 and 2008 campaigns. Its clear that the big corporate money has shifted in this time from behind Bush and the Republicans to being behind the Democrats. That's the real power in this country. That corporate money and the corporate media that determine who is going to win elections.
That's why Bush can't cancel the elections. The people who put him in power now want Obama and the Democrats in power. Bush and the Republicans would be stepped on quickly if they tried to do something that this money didn't want to occur.
Of course, the reason they want Obama in the Democrats in power is that they are fully co-opted and owned by corporate money. Their role is to protect corporate amerika's gains from the Republican years, and also to pass some additional gains in corporate power that the Republicans couldn't give them. That was the role of the Clinton Administration, and that's the role of today's Democrats.
The big money is smart enough to realize that if the Republicans constantly push their interests, then at times the public will get fed up with this and want to rebel. They know a true rebellion that put someone like Nader in charge would be very hazardous to their interests. So, the Democrats serve the role of corporate America's B-team, ready to step in and hold down the fort when the people get sick and tired of the Republicans.
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Samson: "the Democrats serve the role of corporate America's B-team, ready to step in and hold down the fort when the people get sick and tired of the Republicans"
That's worth repeating.
But Obama is a "poor guy" who went to Harvard on food stamps! He cares alot about the common person. He just cant say so or he wont get elected.
I know it in my heart of hearts. I can see it in his eyes. I can read his mind--it says, "Vote for me. i'm just acting like a conservative putz to get elected.Just give me time. I wil make your broad progressive coalition dream come true".
I know it I!
I'm not sure if Democratic Rep. Brad Sherman's comments about bailout proponents threatening martial law was further investigated or substantiated.
And I'm also not sure whether people raising this point are sympathetically defending legislators who may have voted for the bailout because of this threat. Common sense suggests that politicans who wilt in the face of blatant fearmongering are more to be censured than pitied.
I wondered the same thing when the anthrax story was back in the news after Bruce Ivins' death. I read several comments explaining the legislative support for the abominable Patriot Act resulting from legislators being scared to death that they would be targeted with death-- in the form of anthrax, or otherwise.
The odd thing is that one couldn't really tell from the comments whether the commenters were excusing the politicians, or deriding them for crumbling under the threat. I hoped it was the latter, but it was impossible to tell.
Federal tax revenues are roughly 2.5 trillion dollars a year. Interest on the national debt was already 400 billion a year before the hundreds of billions of handouts began this year. The 700 billion came in addition to several hundred billion handed out since the beginning of 2008, a trillion or so this year alone. This means the interest alone is approaching 500 billion, or half a trillion a year. I don't see any way out without either a default on the national debt or allowing or engineering a period of hyperinflation so that the debt can be repaid. Either option will piss off the creditors (Communist Red China, Japan, Saudi Arabia and various filthy rich people and private institutions) in a major way. There will be no easy way out. It will probably be rather difficult to avoid major violence along the way. Although I do not advocate violence of any kind, and will not participate in violence of any kind, I envision a few well-placed assassinations at the very least. I hope people keep their heads and do not resort to this kind of violence.
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In the case of the third world indebted countries, the point has been made that the debts were incurred by rulers who were corrupt and did not represent the interests of the people. They borrowed the money, then used it on the military, the police state and their own personal corruption and that of their cronies.
As such, there is an argument precisely for saying that the people to not have an obligation to pay that money back. They didn't borrow it, and it was spent more to oppress them than to give them any benefit. If the banks should go after anyone to repay those debts, it should be going after the corupt leaders instead.
The same seems to be very true in this country. There should be a real case, once we take power back into the hands of the people in this country, to say that if the banks want to collect on all that US debt, they should go down to the ranch in Crawford, TX. That's who borrowed this money. That's who spent this money. That's who benefitted from this money. We didn't, so don't ask for our money in the future.
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But of course the IRS steals money out of every paycheck. A mass taxpayer revolt would help but impossible to organize. No one wants to be among the first thousands to be jailed for failure to pay taxes.
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Ekaton,
You have encapsulated in your remark the only weapon we have in our arsenal and the one that no one has the balls to use.
The young lady that heads the FDIC had this right. Not such a good idea.
With brain damaged zombies like Joe the Plumber happily shooting his feet and handing more money to Wall $treet, this will be easy !