Unable to find much that Barack Obama himself has said or believes that is particularly alien to the thinking and values of most Americans, Hillary Clinton and her supporters in the media have chosen instead to engage in a campaign of guilt-by-association.
Not surprisingly, right-wing media pundits and prominent Republicans have thrown their weight behind Clinton's efforts, taken advantage of the New York senator's attacks to smear the likely Democratic presidential nominee. For example, North Carolina Republicans are readying a television ad on the eve of that state's primary which includes a photo of Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright together, a video clip of Wright making incendiary comments, with a voiceover telling voters that Obama is "just too extreme for North Carolina."
Clinton's guilt-by-association campaign has even moved to additional degrees of separation. For example, before tens of millions of viewers of the April 16 debate in Philadelphia, Clinton again brought up Obama's alleged "relationships with Louis Farrakhan," despite Obama's repeated and unequivocal denunciations of anti-Semitic statements and other controversial actions by the Black Muslim leader. The apparent extent of Obama's alleged "relationship" with the Nation of Islam leader which prompted Clinton's charge was that a magazine for which Obama's pastor's daughter serves as publisher granted an award to Farrakhan in honor of a successful program he had set up to rehabilitate ex-convicts.
During that same debate, Clinton went so far as to link Obama with the radical Palestinian Islamist group Hamas because the "pastor's pages" section of the weekly bulletin of the church Obama attended once included -- as part of a series of opinion pieces reprinted from various newspapers around the country -- an op-ed column from the Los Angeles Times written by a Hamas leader. Though Obama had already categorically condemned the decision to reprint that article, Clinton told the tens of millions of viewers that "we have a choice who we associate with and who we apparently give some kind of seal of approval to," such as the pastor who -- in Clinton's typically hyperbolic version of events designed to discredit her rival -- was guilty of "giving the church bulletin over to the leader of Hamas."
Hillary Clinton has even attacked Obama for having served on the board of the Chicago anti-poverty group known as the Woods Fund at the same time as former Weather Underground member Bill Ayers. Ayers, who was never convicted of any crime, is now a distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois-Chicago and served as a former aide to Mayor Richard M. Daley. Clinton apparently saw it as irrelevant that, at the time of Ayers' involvement in the Weather Underground, Obama was just eight years old and living nearly ten thousand miles away in Indonesia.
This raises the very disturbing prospect that, as president, Clinton would use similar guilt-by-association smears against anti-war activists, environmentalists, opponents of neo-liberal globalization, and others who -- like Obama -- dare to challenge her pro-war and pro-corporate agenda.
Few of us on the American left haven't had at least some indirect association with people who, in the recent or distant past, have used rhetoric or engaged in activities most of us would find extreme, irresponsible or reprehensible. (I once asked a respected colleague to write a letter-of-recommendation for a post-doctoral fellowship for which I was applying at Stanford University only to be told that it would probably not be to my advantage since he had been expelled from that institution as an undergraduate for firebombing the Hoover Institution.)
Any cursory examination of clergy and other associates of most prominent Republicans would likely reveal ties to any number of bigots, terrorists (particularly Cuban and Nicaraguan), and other extremists. Yet Clinton has chosen to focus her guilt-by-association campaign on her progressive African-American opponent.
Ironically, the Clintons invited Rev. Wright to the White House as a spiritual advisor and it was President Bill Clinton who pardoned Ayers' wife and fellow Weather Underground activist Bernadine Dohrn. Hillary's self-righteous attacks against Obama, then, are not as much about individuals with whom he has been associated as they are an effort to discredit the party's left wing as a whole.
Indeed, Clinton has attacked what she has called the "activist base" of the Democratic Party, particularly MoveOn, which has been credited for bringing many millions of dollars into Democratic campaigns and thereby lessening the party's dependence on the corporate donors long favored by the Clintons. Blaming the group for many of her electoral defeats, she has complained of the way they have mobilized grass roots activists which have "flooded" state caucuses as a result of their ability to "turn out in great numbers." Emphasizing her differences with MoveOn's liberal positions on foreign policy and national security, she has tried to depict the group as far to the left, even resurrecting the long-discredited claim by Karl Rove that MoveOn opposed the war in Afghanistan.
Underscoring indications that Clinton might prefer to have the Democrats lose the presidential election in November if she isn't the nominee, journalist Celeste Fremon has noted how "Clinton's remarks depart radically from the traditional position of presidential candidates, who in the past have celebrated high levels of turnout by party activists and partisans as a harbinger for their own party's success -- regardless of who is the eventual nominee -- in the general election showdown."
Not that Clinton has cared that much about how other Democrats fare, as illustrated on her failure to support Democratic candidates in close races in most recent Congressional elections. Traditionally, Democratic Senate candidates assured easy re-election victories who find themselves in the final weeks of the campaign with more campaign contributions than they need donate their excess funds to the Democratic National Committee in order to help other Democratic House and Senate nominees in tight races. However, even though Clinton defeated her Republican opponent in the 2006 Senate race, as expected, by a more than 2:1 margin, she refused to share virtually any of her $13 million surplus in campaign contributions, money which would have almost certainly resulted in a number of additional Democratic victories in close races in this critically-important election in which control of both houses of Congress was at stake.
The Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy
Much has been written over the past couple of weeks about how Clinton, supported by ABC reporters Charles Gibson and her husband's former press secretary George Stephanopoulos, red-baited Obama in the nationally-televised debate just prior to the Pennsylvania primary, in the words of Steve Weissman, "as if he were a reluctant witness called before HUAC, the House Un-American Activities Committee." Perhaps out of fear that, if they focused on real issues, Obama would easily outshine Clinton, not a single question dealing with a substantive policy issue was even asked during the first 45 minutes of the debate, focusing instead on questioning Obama's patriotism because of his failure to wear an American flag lapel pin and similar efforts to portray him in a negative light.
As journalist Robert Scheer put it, Clinton has been using such tactics from the right as "radical-baiting associates to challenging his resolve in protecting the nation from foreign enemies" and Obama, whom he describes as "eminently sensible and centrist to a fault," is being depicted as "weak and even vaguely unpatriotic because he is thoughtful." Referring to the notorious Republican operatives of previous elections who brought down Democratic nominees John Kerry, Al Gore and Michael Dukakis, Scheer adds "Neither Karl Rove nor Dick Morris could have done a better job."
Other prominent Democratic supporters of the Iraq war and leading figures in the party establishment have joined Clinton in attacking Obama, also focusing more on image and alleged associations than actual positions. Joseph Lieberman, whom the Democrats chose as their vice-presidential nominee in 2000, recently argued in a nationally-televised talk show that it was a "good question" as to whether Obama was Marxist and, while he'd personally hesitate to use that label, he insisted Obama's positions are "far to the left of . . . mainstream America."
In a manner reminiscent of anti-Semites who insisted that Jews were simultaneously bankers controlling the world's wealth and Communists plotting Marxist revolution, Clinton and her supporters are trying to simultaneously portray Obama as both a leftist with radical associates as well as an elitist who doesn't care about ordinary working class Americans. Even the normally pro-Clinton New York Times has referred to her campaign strategy "mean, vacuous, and pandering."
Clinton has far more personal wealth and has far closer ties to power brokers in Washington and on Wall Street than does Obama. (For example, during the 1980s, she was serving as a director of Wal-Mart while Obama was serving as a community organizer in poor neighborhoods in south Chicago.) Despite this, Clinton has repeatedly harped on the theme that Obama is an "elitist" and that it is she who is the friend of the working class. Prominent high-priced Democratic consultants like Howard Wolfson, Lanny Davis, Kiki McLean and James Carville, joined by Fox News commentators and other powerful right-wing interests threatened by the prospects of an Obama presidency, have joined Clinton in portraying Obama as somehow out of touch with ordinary Americans, though they -- unlike Obama -- have spent precious little time among America's working people.
These systematic attacks seem to be working. Just a couple of months ago, polls showed that Obama's negative ratings were at only 8%, one of the lowest ever for a serious presidential contender, a figure that almost guaranteed enough of a landslide victory in November that could produce a near veto-proof Democratic majority in Congress. Thanks to the recent attacks by Clinton and her supporters, however, Barack Obama's negatives have jumped to 42%, resulting in a loss of his once-commanding lead over Senator McCain, which has been reduced to a statistical dead heat.
Standing Up Against Clinton
A sizable number of Democrats decided some time ago that they would not vote for Hillary Clinton -- even if she got the party's nomination -- because of her dangerous views regarding presidential power: specifically, her belief -- illustrated in her October 2002 vote authorizing the invasion of Iraq -- that the president of the United States should be able to invade a country on the far side of the world that is no threat to us at the time and circumstances of his own choosing. Furthermore, Senator Clinton's false claims about Iraq still having chemical weapons, biological weapons, a nuclear weapons program, sophisticated delivery systems and ties to the al-Qaeda terrorist network in order to justify her support for the invasion of that oil-rich country have raised serious questions regarding her credibility, particularly since she has steadfastly refused to apologize for her vote or for her untruthful statements regarding the alleged Iraqi threat. It was similar concerns by progressive Democrats that limited support from the party's base to Senator John Kerry's 2004 presidential campaign, resulting in his defeat.
Indeed, even though Obama is to the left of Clinton on most issues, most polls have shown him doing much better than Clinton against incipient Republican nominee John McCain.
Democrats need to make it clear to the remaining undecided super-delegates that nominating Hillary Clinton would be completely unacceptable and that she would not be supported in the general election. As Tom Hayden put it, "If Clinton doesn't immediately cease her path of destruction, millions of young voters and black voters may not send checks, may not knock on doors, and may not even vote for her if she becomes the nominee. That's not a threat, that's the reality she is creating."
There is little doubt that Clinton and her supporters will severely damage the Democratic Party in the unlikely event she wrests the nomination away from Obama. Even assuming that Obama does end up as the Democratic nominee as expected, however, Clinton and her supporters may have already done so much damage that John McCain, despite eight years of Republican misrule, could still sweep to victory.
Stephen Zunes is a professor of Politics at the University of San Francisco.
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Show AllHillary Clinton is to Barack Obama as Robert Mugabe is to Morgan Tsvangirai.
Zunes claims Hillary has "attacked" and "smeared" Obama . . . and then he describes Republican attack ads and corporate media spin. As if the Republican Party and the corporate media are in the tank for Hillary! What a laugh! The corporate media has been trashing Hillary and polishing Obama's star for months. It took Saturday Night Live's sketch to finally shame them into something even close to equal treatment.
The idea that the Republicans' Obama attack ads are Hillary's doing is moronic. The Republicans love running against Obama. They're spending money on ads that associate Democratic candidates in local and state races with Obama. Why? Because an association with Obama is a negative. It helps to defeat Democrats.
Where are the examples of Hillary's supposed Obama "attacks?" Zunes provides evidence for only one: her comment during the Pennsylvania debate about Obama's association with Rev. Jeremiah Wright. But, the transcript shows it was the ABC News moderators who brought up the subject of Rev. Wright and his hateful sermons. After allowing Obama to respond at length, they finally turned to Hillary for a comment. She pointed out the irony of someone who claims she is "too divisive" choosing to associate himself with such a divisive figure as Wright, a man who himself praises the even-more divisive Louis Farrakhan. (She never said that Obama has a relationship with Farrakhan, as Zunes falsely claims.) This supposed "attack" was nothing more than a response to a question posed during a nationally-televised debate — and a pretty mild response at that.
What other evidence does Zunes present for his fictional claim? None. Zilch. Nada. Zip. Yet he shamelessly bumps it up a notch, saying Hillary focuses "her guilt-by-association campaign on her progressive African-American opponent." Zunes is a race baiter! See: wikipedia.org (race baiting). What a jerk!
Zunes is also something of a serial liar. Here's one: "Obama is to the left of Clinton on most issues."
That is patently false. Hillary is to the left of Obama on most issues! See my comparison of their Senate voting records: http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/04/14/8284/
Bob K. April 14th, 2008 1:28 pm
Furthermore, seven well-known liberal organizations rank Hillary more liberal than Obama, and eight conservative groups rank Obama more conservative than Hillary. See: electoral–vote.com (Data Galore, The Senate).
Here's another Zunes whopper: "Most polls have shown him [Obama] doing much better than Clinton against incipient Republican nominee John McCain."
This is the exact opposite of the truth. Current polls from all 50 states show that Hillary is beating McCain by 55 electoral votes, and Obama is ahead of McCain by just 1 vote! More importantly, these same polls show that Hillary is carrying all three of the big swing states needed to win the White House: Florida, Pennsylvania and Ohio. Obama is carrying only one of these three critical states. See: http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/May03.html
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May03.html
Moral: It's not true just because an Obamican screeches it.
Smoke and Mirrors
When Mrs W.J.C. uses the word "OBLITERATE' she is not joking . In his book "The best Democracy Money Can Buy" Mr Greg Palast tells about how the president Mr W.J.C. sided with the big drug companies in denying the sale of cheap AIDS drugs ($2.00 per day per patient) by Argentina to Southern Africa where 2.5 million people were dying . Mr W.J.C. made the 2.5 million people wait until he was out of office when as a lobbyist he had them borrow one $ billion per year to buy the needed drugs at ($2.00 per day per patient) from the big drug companies . Today while Mrs W.J.C. campaigns promising good jobs with good pay Mr W.J.C. as a lobbyist is making deals to add an addendum to their NAFTA program by out sourcing more jobs to Columbia . That is CHUTZPA in capital letters .
Excellent information ~Ladavis~ Thank you for clarifying it so well.
Some of the people above display their - me first selves- with little regard for this country and the world. They are like small children who would rather smash things than deal with a departure from their own selfish self-righteous need to be right! and have what THEY want! Here we see in action the problem with America.
To Everyone else please excuse the radical change in topic/discussion, but I cannot in good conscience let what follows pass without comment.
FARHAT MAQUAMI, You said: "...To become a Muslim you must assume a Muslim name and be born in a Muslim family."
That is absolutely a totally false statement. To become a muslim one has simply to declare the "Shahada'tain" (literally, the two (2) statements of witness). One must say and believe "I bear witness that there is only One God worthy of worship, and I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of God." Thereafter one must adhere to the five (5) pillars of Islam. The first them being the utterance and belief of the previously stated Shahada. Thenext four (4) being, fasting during the month of Ramadan, performing prayer ("Salat") 5 times daily at the appointed times, payment of "Zakat" - The prescribed 2.5% of wealth above the established measure of residual wealth, and the performance of Hajj (Pilmgrimage) to Makkah once in one's lifetime if able. There is no requirement that one change their name unless that name is notorious, defamatory, or obnoxious. Furthemore one is required (by Hadith) to maintain their family name in all cases. Cultural traditions in the case of naming may say differently but the Tradition of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is as I have stated.
By proxy a child born into a Muslim family is introduce to Islam by having the Adhan (call to prayer) and the Shahada said in the ear at birth. Of course a child born into a Muslim family is raised in that faith. But the as a requirement for the proper conduct of prayer the child when able will recite the Shahada at every prayer (as does every Muslim) and therefore reaffirms the commitment to Islam.
To Farhat: Furthermore the remainder of what you have provided is neither well thought out nor of good Islamic provenance. Just because someone has an Arabic name that in itself does not make that person a Muslim. And there is no doctrinal requirement that a Christia change an otherwise Arabis name to other than that. Wa'llahi Akhi - taqu'Allah! Take what you written to your Imam and see if he agree's. (Read Ayat 256 of Sura Al Baqarah)[2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand- hold, that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things.]
You can contact me at: ibnaswad@excite.com if you want to carry on this part of the discussion.
And yes to Farhat and everyone else I am Muslim! And therefore relative to what I have just written: Of what I have written here, whatever is correct is only so by the grace of Allah (SWT) alone and whatever is incorrect is from the shortcomings of my own self.
madlib wrote: "The failure is Mr. Howard Dean, or whomever is in charge of the Democratic Party."
I totally agree. And now it's too late. They should have come up with a solution before the first primary. IMO, they should have convinced Obama to wait. Hillary could have won, Obama could have stepped in 4 or 8 years later (he'll still be young) and won again. We could have had as much as 16 years of Dem presidency ! Now, we will have another Republican President. I am NOT going to sacrifice my principles in order to cover up for yet another massive f*ck-up cause by the Dem party leadership. They de-valued me, I will repay them with abstaining from voting.
griken1 wrote: "Thanks “Hillary†for Giving John (Im a gold Digger) McCain the White House in November."
WRONG. It is Obama and his supporters who have ruined the election through their hateful racism (no whites are allowed to discuss race) and their extortion tactics (they will not vote for Clinton, therefore Clinton supporters should vote for Obama). THEY divided the party and created this polarized atmosphere which will ensure a McCain win.
heav y runner wrote: "Clinton supporters will vote for Obama after he gets the nomination and Hillary encourages them to do so."
Won't happen. Clinton can say whatever she wishes, I will NOT vote for Obama. I won't vote for McCain either, I will simply sit out. I've spoken to many other Clinton supporters about this, and all but one has said the same thing.
McCain knows nothing more about the health care than the so-called leader he seeks to be. He and Clinton are simply an extension of the Bush policy of the last seven years and a hope to continue those same policies. They include the “politics of fear†as Obama speaks of and so many other means used to lie to the American people as in the gas tax scam.
The race and gender issues are simply part of a greater issue of fairness in all human issues and an end to exploitation of the masses at any level including the exploitation of women, minorities and children. The new style young capitalist is simply the extension of greed and all other low level thought.
The Fox network and these two politicians along with the power brokers of the Rupert Murdoch style of revisionism in America and the world move gullible humanity back toward the 1952 Australian style of thought recently abrogated by the Australians with the defeat of their leader, in foreign affairs and economics that if continued will bring the world to extinction.
Clinton once again shows her irresponsible thinking at any price to gain the American nomination to continue to lead the world to oblivion. I read with interest the comments of Americans. I consider myself a humanist and not one that has the USA tattooed to my backside although I gave three years to the military and so have a right to speak. Nationalism, is always based in me-firstism, let the rest of the world be damned mentality.
Clinton is the new spokesperson for that idea and has now teamed up with the Fox network and the rabid so-called journalists who have helped diminish the America I once knew and fought to maintain. People like these at the highest levels of power color the way the rest of the world looks at the USA.
The economic system that determines all peoples survival regardless of where they exist, also determines what a country will become, much of it the result of chance. In that regard the USA has been lucky, with well-worn imperialist ideas brought over with the Pilgrims. America has taken this country from the people who were here, the European model, without paying them. Some of us here know the story. The so called, “free market systemâ€, formerly American capitalism, and now globalization into which it has now morphed. The US with its European allies has created the current means of controlling everything for the few. The G 8 has developed ever-greater means to develop these ideas and to take what it wants from the rest of the world and its own population.
The African Americans, the Africans, the Hispanics, Asians and Indians have been the slave classes that have built the white European and American wealth. The historic exploitation of the working classes of America brought from the world into its “melting pot†with the so-called freedoms and democratic ideals built from the blood spilled to form, compared to the European monarchies and divine kingship, so called Democracy unique in the world. The freedoms bought so dearly, were the first “Divine Kingship†of the “Robber Baron†and now, corporate power elitism.
To keep the masses quiet and to build the lives of Americans, consumer ideology supplanted education, the study human purpose, as a goal in itself. The economic forces, which have built their power, care little for human development and survival. They care largely for their continued power as an end in itself and for the few who have the most based on its protection with a huge military force, hence the oil wars in Iraq, this to support an auto centered disposable consumer society. The expense of privilege in the community of nations may become the death of the globe and its entire people as a result of the American and European economic system, now out of control. Many American economists, Jeffrey Sachs, Joe Stiglitz, and others view these historical developments as a threat to global harmony and survival.
American wealth once had an altruistic quality about it. The post-World War II USA developed the Marshal Plan and cared about the condition of the world. Now the top one percent, those who have taken so much, continue to be supported by the thirty percent of Americans who still believe George Bush, and his myth of global superiority at the expense of the rest of the world. It is clear that many of Clinton’s opinions continue the Bush doctrine, of unilateralism.
We sit on the edge of an environmental and economic disaster. This American system is out of control and the economic meltdown will continue regardless of who occupies the Oval office. The only difference is that Obama is intelligent enough to know that there are fundamental change needed in the way America and the so-called “free world†do business. Revs Wright, simply addresses continued black slavery in a world of exploitation of all people led by the US and now the power elite in collusion with the government to continue the “American Dream†mentality, represented now by corporate multilateralism and their wealth and power. Corporate elitism cares for itself alone at the expense of all people, the environment, the human experiment, its freedoms, and so called democratic ideals, which has become nothing more than an oligarchy.
We should not be too pejorative about Rev Wright who simply rails against the exploitive aspects of the Western mentality and points out the deficiency in the USA of evolved thinking toward the slave classes and the human species. He, having been able to experience directly because of his skin color these abuses is perhaps too angry which limits his effectiveness. His experience in seeing the wreckage of black America and his intelligence, has caused him to take up the defense of the disenfranchised.
America has a history of caring about others, once a genuine American direction, led by people, despite their failings like: The Kennedy’s, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X and so many others who died for their belief in a better America and a better world, caring about humanity. The media who carries their continued assault against those, who would in any way, attempt to include different thinking to bear on the so called “American Dream†which has become the world’s nightmare must be seen by the masses for what it has become. The media must begin to understand its roll as an objective commentator to the necessary changes that must be made to the USA and the world if humanity is to survive.
The media above all must be changed once again to give democratic exposure to all-important ideas. They must present an understanding of the complex thought needed and brought to bear on global complex issues of survival. A departure from the simplistic superficial treatment ad-nauseam we witness each day, which passes for news presented by the Barby-Doll class of newsreader, called journalist.
~Sally UU Kent~, What did the Clintons have to do with the Obama/Wright 23 year association?
What did the Clintons have to do with whatever Wright ever preached in his church?
What did the Clintons have to do with Obama shit-canning his long time friend, advisor, mentor and pastor?
Personaly, I thought Wright's speech at the NAACP meeting to be excellent and his replys to questions at the Press club to be very truthful and accurate. Buutttt, Obama turned on him. ___ How Come? ___ And all of that is the Clinton's fault and playing a race card? ____ I don't believe it is.
If someone gets caught with their hand in the cookie jar, they can't blame the house cat. They can blame the devil though and of course some say Hillary is the devil. Well She sure is fighting the Bush cartel, so if she's the devil, Bush must be God.
DOGGONE, you say the Clintons CONTROL the press. Really??? You were joking right? Haa Haaa Haaaa. I love this thread.
This sort of "guilt by assocation" is pure McCarthyism, plain and simple. Interesting that we've completely failed to learn the lessons that history has to teach us.
The Clinton campaign continues to beat the drum of Obama's association with Wright as a pure smear tactic, bent on fatally wounding the upstart that stole Hillary's spot as the presumed Democratic nominee, and sadly, I'm afraid that she'll somehow manage to get away with it and win.
Doesn't help that our 24 hour media has also glommed on to the whole "Wright-gate" thing and all they do, over and over again, is to play the most inflammatory snippets of Wright's speeches and speculate on whether this is a fatal blow to Obama. (The media smell blood and they love nothing more than a good takedown of a politician. They can then gloat that they're the new Woodwards and Bernsteins when in fact they bear no resemblance whatsoever.) The Wright speeches replay over and over again on YouTube, and the blogs rehash it as well until everyone's sick to death of hearing it. (What about the "kitchen table" issues of gas prices, health care and the economy? What happened to those in all of this sturm und drang?)
What ticks me off the most is that race seems to be so much at the heart of this whole thing. Would a white preacher saying the same types of things be so widely castigated? What about Pat Robertson and his wacky ilk saying that stuff like homosexuality is responsible for 9/11? No one blinked when he and his bizarros made those kinds of claims, because they're white southern Christian fundamentalist preachers, not a black preacher from the mean streets of the south side of Chicago.
I smell the race card being heavily played in this whole affair. And it stinks.
HEAVYRUNNER, so was GWB a born loser, look what happened.
On Bill O'Reilly's show on Fox she said, “Rich people: God bless us.†Why isn't that all over the news? Because the Clintons control the news the same way the Bushies have. There is no difference. But have heart people - Jeff Sharlet's book The Family (Harper Collins) will be in bookstores May 20! After all her comments re Wright that will be a good change.
I stand corrected. There is (1) Grown Up in the Democratic Party. Joe Andrews, former DNC Chair, appointed by Bill Clinton, endorsed Senator Barack Obama today. One more Super Delegate in the Obama camp.
The reasons he gave were simple. The blood letting that has been going on, is harmful to the country, as well as to the candidates, and the Party. To have it continue might do irreversible harm to country, candidates, and party. He urged other Super Delegates to also declare which nominee, they support, and put an end to the inter-party warfare, and begin to heal the bitterness within the Democratic Party.
Props to Joe Andrews.
Clinton supporters will vote for Obama after he gets the nomination and Hillary encourages them to do so.
McCain is a born loser.
KEM PATRICK wrote:
"Well Well, finally someone here really made a great deal of sense with a sad but true revelation.
Everyone should read the comments posted by__ ~INSURGETONON~ __ here at 3.03am. and really consider what he wrote, because it’s very astute and accuraate."
One slight edit is needed, to replace "INSURGETONON" with "Chunga's Revenge" who really wrote a comment that made a great deal of sense at 4:15 a.m. -- that maybe we can get an electable candidate out of a brokered convention. That silly clown Clinton has no chance, even against Madman McCain, as the corporate media will find it too easy to turn the political coverage into 24/7 allegations and speculations regarding the Clintons' personal lives. When the corporate media gets bored with that, they can play tapes of Hillary and Bill lying like there is no tomorrow. The argument for Clinton is a non-starter.
So those who are convinced that Madman McCain must be stopped, and that Obama is not the man to stop him, need to get on the bandwagon to support a brokered convention that will nominate an electable candidate like Edwards or Gore or possibly someone else.
Well Well, finally someone here really made a great deal of sense with a sad but true revelation.
Everyone should read the comments posted by__ ~INSURGETONON~ __ here May 1st at 3.03am and really consider what he wrote, because it's very astute and very accuraate.
braithwa842 April 30th, 2008 7:49 pm
So you think the government invented AIDS to infect blacks? You think the Third Marines are the same as the Roman Legionaries that crucified Christ? You think that blacks are the chosen race? You believe that all whites are the enemy? You think that middle class blacks betayal of their black brothers? And so much more in the same vein.
Wright said all these things and more, he's just a bigoted, racist, hate monger and that no right wing propaganda, thats based on what he has said and continues to say and on his belief in Black Liberation Theology which is simply Nazi or Klan theory expressed in black and white terms.
No one of good faith nor even modest intellect could be fooled by this ideology or this person.
He's no progressive, he dosen't represent the "opressed" nor does he care about blacks as a group....witness his attack on Obama.
He just sits in his million dollar plus home on the golf course and looks for ways to increase his own wealth.
The Clintons only look so good to many people BECAUSE of the horror of the past seven years under truly "Radical Reactionary Statists" (to use Noam Chomsky's correct definition)and forgetting that it was they (the Clintons and their advisors)who pushed the neoliberal agenda which is destroying the middle class as well as the blue color workforce.
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A new book written by a leading globalist luminary provides a blueprint for how 6,000 elitists plan to completely end national sovereignty, impose a system of global governance, and how they will deal with an international network of people that resist their agenda.
Superclass: The Global Power Elite and the World They Are Making is a manifesto for how the elite plan to shape the course of the planet and impose a new world order while combating the inevitable "global network of antiglobalists" who will rise up against it.
The author of the book, David J. Rothkopf, is a visiting scholar at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and has previously served as the Deputy Undersecretary of Commerce for International Trade during the administration of Bill Clinton before he became managing director of Kissinger and Associates in January 1996.
A Salon.com review alarmingly details the brazen premise of Rothkopf’s book - a global elite now run the planet and have usurped the power of national governments while ensuring laws constrained by borders are all but obsolete.
"Each one of them is one in a million. They number six thousand on a planet of six billion. They run our governments, our largest corporations, the powerhouses of international finance, the media, world religions, and, from the shadows, the world’s most dangerous criminal and terrorist organizations. They are the global superclass, and they are shaping the history of our time," states the promo for the book.
The threadbare notion that Rothkopf’s book is a critical and impartial investigation of the global elite can be rejected out of hand just by looking at the author’s biography - in reality he is a cherished insider.
Throughout the book Rothkopf fawns over the global elite of which he too is a member. The Salon review notes his "palpable thrill" at "recognizing CEOs, oil company executives and Harvard professors on his way to a fondue restaurant," in the globalist enclave of Davos, Switzerland and his obsession with listing every banal "achievement" of each elitist he speaks with.
According to the article, the kind of elitist celebrated in Rothkopf’s book "have little need for national loyalty, view national boundaries as obstacles that thankfully are vanishing, and see national governments as residues from the past whose only useful function is to facilitate the elite’s global operations."
Rothkopf himself concurs that laws and regulations defined by borders and nation states are obsolete and need to be replaced not by a global government but by "global governance". The fact that the ultimate goals of the two - the total elimination of national sovereignty - are essentially identical is not lost on globalists who know that a more subtle imposition of centralized control needs to be enacted in order to con the serfs into sacrificing their identity. A sharply defined "world government" is too visceral a concept and would attract fierce opposition, therefore a method of forcing countries to adopt harmonized policies of "global governance" is the new approach that globalists have embarked on.
Rothkopf ominously expresses the plan to mandate the "Registration and management of Internet domain names (via a collection of organizations)" under a global umbrella, which the informed will recognize as a bastardized version of Internet 2, where individuals require government permits to operate a website under tight regulation.
The article concedes that, "Rational as it may sound to set up such systems, they just aren’t directly answerable to the populace at large — they’re undemocratic," which Rothkopf admits will give rise to rebellions and pave the way for more people like Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez, who he labels as being part of "the global network of antiglobalists," and a man who has "made political theater out of taunting and thwarting the global elite."
Rothkopf’s answer to the inevitable antagonism that will be directed towards the globalists as their agenda unfolds is to hoodwink the commoners into thinking they have influence in the new world order that is being built around them - a method otherwise known as the Delphi Technique, which is universally recognized as an underhanded and unethical ploy of achieving consensus through deception.
According to Rothkopf the, "Superclass ought to be smart enough to foresee any such crisis and head it off by doing more to make the currently disenfranchised feel like "stakeholders" in the new global order."
The fact that the same elitists Rothkopf affords such sycophantic adulation are also personally responsible for the policies that result in the slaughter of untold millions and the misery of countless others across the globe matters little to Rothkopf, who also has no qualms about including Osama Bin Laden in a group of 6,000 "global elite" who now control the world and "whose connections to each other have become more significant than their ties to their home nations and governments."
Superclass maintains that the elite, who mainly comprise "older males of European descent who graduated from prestigious Western colleges," are "an improvement on those of the past," but this rings hollow when we consider the state of the planet that they have crafted.
A million-plus dead Iraqis since 2003, a global economy in chaos and individual freedom under attack in every corner of the world suggests the much-vaunted global elite - worshipped in Rothkopf’s book as saviors of the Earth - are more accurately parasites and a cancer upon humanity.
Watch Rothkopf give a lecture on the power of the global elite. He identifies Bohemian Grove as a key meeting venue for the globalists. Decide for yourself whether he is a fawning sycophant or an objective critic.
Rothkopf’s approach is to blame the world’s problems on free-market capitalism and and imply that global elitists are a new phenomenon and therefore part of the solution, when in reality the elite created monopoly capitalism and have been a hidden-hand manipulating world events and offering solutions to problems they created for centuries.
Thanks "Hillary" for Giving John (Im a gold Digger) McCain the White House in November. I voted for W J Clinton in 92/96 and would have again, but your true colors show how much you support Corporate Ameican and your "False" Caring about American Working Folks. THANKS FOR NOTHING!!
It looks like the Democrats will again snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and John McCain will become the next President. The country faces a myriad of critical issues such as a financial collapse, perpetuation of endless wars, a crisis in health care, inflation, the shift of the nations wealth to an already wealthy few, and a deteriorating relationship with the rest of the world. The Democratic Party in the meantime is preoccupied with irrelevant issues such as who loves America the most, who wears a lapel pin, and whether to choose between a Woman or a Black as President. Who is most willing to bomb Iran into oblivion and which despot in the Middle East would choose one candidate over the other just adds to the dishonesty and confusion in this debate. And the icing on this cake that might just tilt voters is a political bribe being offered by Hillary to eliminate the road tax for the summer months thereby encouraging gluttonous consumption, and adding to an already disastrous national debt and bloated oil company profits. The mainstream press in the amoral pursuit of ratings, encourage this nonsense because it reduces the debate to a version of the "Gerry Springer" show thereby ensuring mass audience appeal.
The outcome: A deeply divided and angry Democratic party. On one side, Obama's ardent supporters, the young, the urbanites and entire Black community, and Hilary's, the feminists, the elderly, small town and rural dwellers including those with lingering racist reservations about a Black becoming President. The outcome of this pathetic debate is at best a Pyrrhic victory for the winner with large numbers of Democrats either staying at home on voting day or turning in disgust to John McCain.
I am writing this from Europe where the public is deeply concerned about an outcome they believe will shape their future. Polls here overwhelmingly indicate their preference for a Democrat in the White House who they hope will bring about much needed changes.
It seems to me that the best hope for the Dims, and the nation at this point is for Clinton and Obama to go to the convention in a stalemate, then if they are smart the dems can pull off an old fashioned brokered convention, with a dark horse candidate taking the nomination. For some historical perspective try this link:
http://www.dangfunnypolitics.com/convention.mp3
Wouldn't it be great if after all the money they have wasted, after all the hyperbole bringing "change" or being "ready to lead on day one", after all the not so veiled racism, and the unethical denunciation of a truth teller, after all this modern American politics as usual, we could still end up with John Edwards or Bill Richardson as the Dem nominee. You know, someone with a chance of actualy beating McCain in the General Election.
OBAMA ’S HYPOCRICY EXPOSED!
By: FARHAT MAQUAMI
The time has come for the so-called liberals who are supporting Obama for throwing Jeremiah Wright to the dogs and condemning the Black Church to stop blaming Clinton for their misfortune. Obama is an imposter who would sell his own mother to get the nomination. Bill Clinton., who is the only one with records and legacy is being destroyed by a party that has a tendency to commit suicide in election day by selecting the unelectable: Dukakis, McGovern, and John Kerry.
Bill Clinton stupid mistake in comparing Obama to Jackson brought black into Osama’s camp, otherwise Obama never considered himself to be a part of Black movement and regarded his blackness as accidental.
Blacks never identified with Obama , as he was regarded as a foreign to their historical suffering. He was being truthful in his speech when he said Wright never understood that his upbringing with a white grand mama made him different than the black folks. After getting the Black votes, he has come and condemned the Black Church who introduced him to Christianity and Blackness! He has done something that Uncle Toms has done, he has silenced an important voice in the Black church. Indeed he has shown his true color and he is no different from his Republican counterpart.
Now the liberals think that Obama would get elected with a polarized Democratic Party. Or, if he get elected he can do anything to end the war or solve the great economic problems in the US.
Obama, by condemning Reverent Wright proved that he is ready to sacrifice anything and would do anything to get elected and no liberal has objected to the fact that Wright liberation theology is well in the mainstream of real liberals from Noam Chomsky to Edward Said..
Obama used Wright to prove to White America that he is a Baptized Christian after 23 years of being an atheist or non-practicing Muslim.
Clinton has every right to stay and fight as Obama has not been truthful to this nation. Why media does not face the issue. It is of outmost importance for any nation to pick the best candidate to represent it and speak as its symbol and the mirror image of its national collective aspiration.
I am a hyphenated American and would oppose Obama as another hyphenated American (Kenyan American for the presidency of the US. This is not based on his color but his historical hypocrisy . He has misrepresented his religious belief and has no share history and affection for the people of the US. He is using the color of his skin now as a mean to divide the Democratic Party ; but nowhere before setting foot on the US he was mistreated as Black American, or associate himself with black Americans. Indeed Clintons share more historical relation with black Americans and used their energy for the betterment of Afro-Americans than Obama. Clinton s, even if they are rich now, have more historical root with working class Americans than Obama. Clintons have more shared religious belief with all Americans than Obama who is borne from an atheist mother and a Muslim father who was just introduced to Christianity in his twenties and was never actually Baptized.
I BELIEVE that Obama is the best Marketing tool invented by Multinationals corporations to sell America to the world after 8 years of debacles and shameless destruction to the US image in the world. I support the efforts of the CNN and MSNBC to push Obama over Hillary.
What I am against is the orchestrated attempt of the Media to fool the public and push an image of Obama that is not true.; therefore depriving American electorate to make an educated choice!
When the same media that pushed for the War in Iraq and the same pundits who defended unquestionably the War in their SITUATION ROOMS, are pushing for Obama, then we have to be skeptical of their choice!
I don’t care if Obama is Muslim or Christian . What I care if a man is telling the truth or is shaping the truth so it fits his goal. We immigrants do everything to get ahead in business, I am all for Obama as an immigrants child; but this is not a business adventure. This is the Presidency of the United States and for God’s sake take it more seriously.
OBAMA was introduced to Christianity in his early twenties. Introduced, but never Baptized! He worked for the Church, went to the Church, sit in the Church, even listened to some of the sermons of Reverend Wright, but was never officially converted to Christianity!
I am so surprised of the superficiality of analyzing Obama ’s background in the media. MSNBC is enchanted with Obama, as the first son of a Kenyan-American who can pass as a black American, get their backing without ever sharing their history or socio-cultural experience!
I am a Muslim-American and like every progressive liberal democrat would like to see Obama as president, it would be very good for the image of the US abroad. However, I have a problem with Obama and that is his opportunism and hypocrisy.
He says he believe in Jesus, so does every Muslim. But, the question is when was he baptized. To become a Muslim you must assume a Muslim name and be born in a Muslim family. Likewise, to be baptized as Christian Obama, similar to every other CHRISTIAN should have been baptized somewhere.
He has a Muslim name Barak and Hussein. We have to know that in what church , where and by whom he was baptized as a Christian?
The son a Muslim is always a Muslim, that is the law of Sharia! I would like to know when and at what church, a son of a Muslim Father and a Devote Muslim Muslim step dad converted to Christianity.
I went to Jeremiah Wright Church at the age of 23 is not good enough. Muslims have nothing against Christianity and by choice anyone can attend and should attend other religions sermons and respect them , and understand them so he understands why Mohammad was the last Prophet!! I attended Church so did Obama! But that does not mean he ever become Christian.
Lets assume that at the age of 23 Jeremiah Wright baptized Obama in a recorded ceremony and gave him a Christian name then we have to see what was Obama’s belief before that!
My son went to Catholic School and even attended mass but he never became Christian. Indeed many affluent Muslim pay high tuition and send their kids to Catholic Schools, that does not make them Christian!
I love Obama, but I like to know what are his beliefs .I know as son of a rich Sunni Muslim he went to a Catholic schools, but going to a Catholic school doesn’t make any Muslim Christian. If he is able to get away with trashing Jeremiah Wright and dismissing his ideas just to beat Hillary Clinton and get the nomination he is man with no principal. A shameless opportunist who should not be trusted!
A political opportunist who would do anything to get elected! This is not good for America, not because all politicians lie; but because only a man who by all accounts was a non practicing Muslim until 23 and cannot prove that he has been ever baptized to Christianity should not hoodwinked a nation about his beliefs. He cannot be trusted!
Republicans know these facts and would discredit Obama in case he gets the nomination!
"Hillary Clinton is deliberately poisoning the well so Obama loses to McCain."
Oh boo hoo! Isn't she just too too awful, that Hillary woman! She should just let your poor little man have his way, after all he is already so disappointed in his pastor, and then that big bad Hillary treats him so so so bad. . .I am so so sad for you and your poor Obama. It's so so sad! Anyone for Little Red Riding Hood! That, I believe, is the progressives favorite fairy tale. . .
I will vote for neither McCain nor Clinton -- like many others. Other possibilities are Nader (not my first preference!), McKinney, or a few other possibilities. Paul is much too conservative for me, but I could handle a write-in for Edwards or Richardson, or for a Socialist. What the left should do is find a way that, under such circumstance, people can somehow designate who that alternative candidate would be -- reach a consensus -- so the votes are not scattered over many different choices. That might create a possiblity that the alternative might actually be elected, but, importantly, it would signify a real political force building among the people which would be very worrisome to the two major parties, and might well influence policy.It would also be step towards creating or augmenting (as in Greens) a truly progressive party for the future (will we have a future?).
As Tom Hayden put it, “If Clinton doesn’t immediately cease her path of destruction, millions of young voters and black voters may not send checks, may not knock on doors, and may not even vote for her if she becomes the nominee. That’s not a threat, that’s the reality she is creating.â€
Not just among young voters... I'm not fool enough to vote for McBomb but I WON't vote for her if she screws over Barack. Nadar's looking good!
Sure things have gotten personal and ugly. But that was predictable, what else can politicians do when they are so similar in policy positions and voting records on such important issues as the war funding. I am not saying they're identical but they are certainly not worlds apart. After all, they're both Democrats, which means both plan to keep many thousands of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan to help prop up the puppet government there and keep the massive oil profits flowing to Big Oil and the Military Industrial Complex. From our pockets into theirs. That's what I'd call sell-outs.
As far as Obama's foto with Wright, he didn't seem to have any problem with Wright nor anything he said until the possibility of losing votes came into the picture. After that it's to hell with the spiritual adviser. That's what I'd call a fair weather friend.
The search is now on for a new spiritual adviser that is liberal enough to cover the left flank while being conservative enough to attract Republican voter. Those interested can apply at www.iwilldoanything2getelected.com
I'm going with the Cynthia McKinney! Go Greens! Check out their progressive agenda and compare to the Republicrats.
You really Think that Howard Dean will be able to force Hillary or Obama to drop out?? He "MAY" be able to get them to agree to run on a slate. This thread's comments are really fun, but that's all they are.
I'd just LOVE to see ALL of you at he Demo convention if there's no candidate when it meets in Denver. If I were there, I'd wear a hockey goalie's outfit and a double strapped football helmet. I would if none of you were there come to think of it.
Everyone carrying a long thick stick with either Hillary or Obama names on a big cardboard sign, The Michigan and Flordia crouds there with beer bottles and rotton eggs, thousands of metal chairs and Rush Limbaugh's croud outside ready to rumble. ___ Oh my God, it's gonna be a blast. ___ Whoopeee.
The failure is Mr. Howard Dean, or whomever is in charge of the Democratic Party.
That person has to hold a meeting, very soon, and say something like this: "We are not going to let this continue at the expense of the Democratic party, at the expense of winning back the Whitehouse and possible a decisive majority in Congress." Then a hard choice is going to be made and someone is going to be told to wrap it up.
kernel,
i drive across 25 miles of farmland on county roads every morning (i really do live in iowa), indeed the comment i posted was sarcastic (i do understand 'tongue in cheek'). i have respect for people who scratch out a living from this earth, and your correct it's more complicated than us city dwellers can imagine. i have no doubt your children are well educated, and i have no questions concerning your own mental faculties....
also, i have respect for anyone, like yourself, who takes the time to sift through these articles and comments to express yourself.
honestly kernel,
we just have a different opinion about clinton/obama. it doesn't bother you (or you don't percieve it as?) that a clinton win means 24 (32) years of 2 family rule?
b/c that bothers me kernel, and i suspect it bothers many others in america. of course i'm a bit off, i was upset that kerry and bush belonged to the same fraternity (that only accepts 10-15 candidates a year) 2 years separated (skull & bones, kerry 66, bush 68).
vote your conscience in nov. kernel, enjoy your mayday...
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alexlawyer,
thank you for posting the symptoms/characteristics of a severe narcissistic personality disorder, that was a very accurate description of hillary...your description of her 'persona'/politics is a bullseye...
..peace...
Kernal, you say "Running a farm these days requires more than a pitchfork and hoe" -- well, so does running a presidental campaign; someone should tell the Clintons...
What I see a lot of, all over, is the idea that an army can pick a general and send him/her out to do battle while they sit back and drink beer. The problem with the progressive movement, or even the dems, for that matter, is that we don't have an army organized. If people had a strong progressive organization they could pick anyone for president, and get the job done, because the support would be there -- but we don't have that (yet). The proof is the candidates who are up, neither one of which is or could be really progressive. It's the system itself that's fouled and has to be taken care of.
jlover April 30th, 2008 8:01 pm
"i love reading comments on this site….KEEP IT UP GUYS,YOU’RE DOING GREAT !! in the end it will not matter that much to most people on this site….because after the election is over in november,we are all going to wake up with the same BILLS,same JOBS,and the same lifestyle for the most part….if you are not a MILLIONAIRE OR BILLIONAIRE IT WON’T MATTER !!!"
Well...yeah...true. Do the right thing anyway.
What the Democratic Party needs now is a King Solomon with the wisdom to threaten to split the baby in two. The candidate who bows out first for the sake of the common good should be rewarded by allowing him/her to run in the general election. The other should be given a mop with orders to clean up the mess they made.
Hillary Clinton is a severe narcissistic personality disorder, a pathological liar and a Machiavellian who will do or say anything, disguised with a smile and phony populist rhetoric, to gain power. At a time when our country faces economic, military, foreign relations, environmental, constitutional and healthcare catastrophes, we need a president who will unite and inspire people, not a petty, meanspirited egotist who will bring in more partisan bickering, hardball, gotcha, triangulation and gridlock. We need someone who will find common ground with out actual or potential enemies, not polarize the world further.
iowablackbird__I guess for people like you one cannot use tongue in cheek or sarcasm, as you do not pick up on it. I have been a farmer all of my life, so certainly have much respect for most of them, educated or not. Running a farm these days requires more than a pitchfork and hoe, so it is a good education in itself.
My two children were encouraged to get their degrees to facilitate their careers, and both have postgraduate ones, so I have a great respect for college educations also.
As for not going along with the Obamamaniacs here, I have never been particularly good at jumping on bandwagons, as is the case with many people that seem to need to be with the popular group of the day. That kind of behaviour is what helped to get Bush elected in 2000 plus all of the trickery involved and it really turned out swell.
Someone made the comment Hillary is the most divisive person in the country but I believe Bush now has that honor after the last seven years of confusion and chaos that has our country on the ropes. We have much to worry about besides Hillary or for that matter, Obama.
I ran across this in the NY Daily News, April 29, 2008:
"Shortly before he rose to deliver his rambling, angry, sarcastic remarks at the National Press Club Monday, Wright sat next to, and chatted with, Barbara Reynolds.
A former editorial board member at USA Today, she runs something called Reynolds News Services and teaches ministry at the Howard University School of Divinity. (She is an ordained minister).
It also turns out that Reynolds - introduced Monday as a member of the National Press Club "who organized" the event - is an enthusiastic Hillary Clinton supporter.
On a blog linked to her Web site- www.reynoldsnews.com- Reynolds said in a February post: "My vote for Hillary in the Maryland primary was my way of saying thank you" to Clinton and her husband for the successes of Bill Clinton's presidency.
The same post criticized Obama's "Audacity of Hope" theme: "Hope by definition is not based on facts," wrote Reynolds. It is an emotional expectation. Things hoped for may or may not come. But help based on experience trumps hope every time."
In another blog entry, Reynolds gives an ever-sharper critique of Obama: "It is a sad testimony that to protect his credentials as a unifier above the fray, the senator is fueling the media characterization that Rev. Dr. Wright is some retiring old uncle in the church basement."
I don't know if Reynolds' eagerness to help Wright stage a disastrous news conference with the national media was a way of trying to help Clinton - my queries to Reynolds by phone and e-mail weren't returned yesterday - but it's safe to say she didn't see any conflict between promoting Wright and supporting Clinton."
If you go to wwwreynoldsnews.com -- you will not find the above information, in support of Senator Clinton. Since this article was published, it has been removed.
What saddens me about this, is that many, many people in the "grassroots" many months ago, were calling on the so-called "grown-ups" in the Democratic party to put an end to the attacks of Democrats, by Democrats. Maybe there are not any grown-ups in the Democratic Party, because they have continued unabated, until we find our Party with two very damaged candidates, and the possibility of a Republican Victory in November. It would seem they never learn the "First Commandment" of Party politics. You do not speak ill of, and tear down members of your own party. Additionally, you do not furnish the opposition with ammunition to do so. Democrats never learn. This year, it may cost the country dearly.
And guess what all the sheep will do after the Super Delegates give Clinton the nod?
They will line up like dutiful little clones and vote on behalf of Clinton's smear machine.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
Obama was not raised to play the Dozens. This is because he was raised by his white mother, and grandparents. I am white, married to an African American man. I am astounded when he plays the "Dozens" with his relatives. It is fun and very much part of his family and friends communication process. Obama may witness this from his wife and her friends and family, but I can tell you that this is not something you can just pick up as a white person, or a mixed race person not raised in the African American community. Reverend Wright is playing the Dozens with Obama, but Obama cannot really play the Dozens back. He should not be faulted for this. People need to realize that Obama is unusual because of his mixed race heritage, and as such his real strength is his ability to see both races, and want to bring them together because of his unique vantage point. He is actually probably more like his white relatives than his African father, yet his is called an African American. He is of mixed heritage and is more like all of us than most especially white people realize. I wish the American people from different areas realized that Obama actually makes the most uniting leader in decades because of his mixed race heritage. He is more like everyone than unlike them. But to pick up the Dozens? That is an art that has to be acquired from childhood.
I agree with the poster who said that Pelosi and Hillary are the two who have done the most to damage the Democratic party. Too bad Hillary didn't remain A Goldwater Girl.
Remember Whitewater? Clintons should be careful of what guilt-by-association tactics might reap. What ever became of Susan McDougall? Remember her then husband Jim? I think he did time. Susan also did time, but to avoid being forced to testify to Ken Starr. If memory serves, it was Hillary who handled the business dealings with Mr. McDougall. So, if he was convicted and served time, surely Hillary is similarly guilty, and should be behind bars. The issue at the time centered around candidate Bill, and he was excused because, really, it was his wife Hillary who handled these financial matters..... Do we really want to go there??
Cenmcs--
Why am I voting for a lying politician like Obama? I'm not sure anymore. I have some theory about lesser of two evils (or least of three, in this case), but I'm really tired of it. If people like Obama can continue to kick progressives in the teeth with claims that it's wrong to criticize US military actions as terrorist, then why should he be rewarded with votes? The answer is that the other two are worse. So we keep going down the tubes, voting for liars who promise change and keep spouting the usual bull about American nobility, paving the way for the interventions and wars of the future.
Yeah read all the comments though, ~IOWABLACKBIRD~ great reading and some are funny. Learned a great deal about the polls and who's gonna win. Glad to see ~Riverman~ is back using the name ~Bojangles~, his posts are a treasure. Hope someday they'll be published in book form.
Well, lots of neat comments here, wonder if we can read them all over again tomorrow on another swell and "important" thread? ____ We'll see. If not, there are about 100 like threads in the archives and several others still in active service here. Whoopeee.
good article zunes,
"Hillary’s self-righteous attacks against Obama, then, are not as much about individuals with whom he has been associated as they are an effort to discredit the party’s left wing as a whole."
still amazed when i hear posters at this site say. CD has sold out the progressive movement how many writers whom we admire have to illicit their support behind obama before the centrists get it. it's ABC (anyone but clinton).
"Clinton has attacked what she has called the “activist base†of the Democratic Party, particularly MoveOn"
of course PDA and moveon threaten the corporate base (DLC) of the dem party, and they will do anything to retain corporate power (clinton/dlc), including undermining the goodwill and idealism of many activated first time voters.
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kernel -
4:17 pm...
wow..mumbo jumbo, i know alot of educated farmers. so?
why would you support a tag-team candidate to a 3rd term? when the rules say no 3rd terms. did you watch the film primary colors kernel? or are you really a republican?
why else would you question the integrity of every progressive organization and intellectual who has come out on these pages to denounce clinton and support obama. of course, they're all wrong you are correct.
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ladavis 5:15 pm,
about wright,
i think he's making a few of these comments to cement his moment of fame (a few bucks, maybe a book, certainly more attention). i respect his 1st amendment right of expression. however, his comments are definitely favorable to obama's opponents and by hitting the lecture circuit and repeating (clarifying) his comments he increases the odds of a clinton/mccain presidency. personally i agree w/ wright's comments and the possibility that a few of his conspiracy theories could be true. but, why would he intentionaly enable obama's political opponents? (many of whom who have made overt racist comments, including b clinton). it's just throwing fuel on the fire.
hence obama's response and it's impact on dems...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/01/us/politics/30cnd-delegates.html?_r=1&...
"Chris Redfern, the chairman of the Ohio Democratic Party, who is uncommitted, said Mr. Obama’s delay in responding to Mr. Wright may have hurt the senator’s standing with many voters — in particular, the so-called Reagan Democrats who live in places like Toledo.
“Now is not a time to parse statements, now is not a time to worry about what happened 10 or 15 years ago or whether Reverend Wright was a great pastor or spiritual adviser,†he said. “Now is the time to turn your back on Reverend Wright.â€
Mr. Redfern said that while many people understand that Mr. Wright and Senator Obama do not share views on many things, the “pragmatic realities of campaigns†could lead to guilt by association."
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d david,
a clinton marriage would not be good for the party or the country. it would be best if the clinton monster would just go to sleep. hillary is the most divisive person in the US. that will only be amplified in the general. obama needs considerable distance from these psychopaths. the polls over time have shown her serious weaknesses (weaknesses that are being deflected by obama's character assassination - believe me mccain/limbaugh/rove understand the clinton's weak points (the ones that brought down gore, remember?)
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atheist April 30th, 2008 6:02 pm
"I blame Obama and all of his lackeys for creating an incredibly hostile atmosphere. The lackeys cried very early on that they would refuse to vote for Clinton if she got the nomination"
wrong,
many here are not lackeys. i voted for nader twice and will vote for mckinnry if clinton gets the nod. i don't care how you feel about that, i would vote for obama as an ABC (anyone but clinton) candidate. i find it extremely bizarre that clinton voters overlook the intent of the 22nd amendment (no 3rd tems). it's just an 'oh well, she can win' response.
that's absurd, it defies polls from the past 5 months and it suggest royalism is alive and well here in the US. we rejected an imperial power to assert self rule -
what is so democratic about bush/clinton/bush2/clinton2 ? i'm begining to believe that clinton supporters are either closet racists or closet tabloid royalist (those who follow elizabeth and harry w/ such zest).
a clinton 2 presidency merely mimics the republican's lowest common denominator. bush won the nomination on name recognition and hatred towards the clintons.
why mimic rovian tactics? why continue to enfranchise the the family name clinton? i mean they have over 100 million dollars, they will be fine...don't worry about bill/hill (until they get divorced, that will be a media moment...after hill loses the NY seat)
when bush became president, i was far more concerned w/ his familial ties to the past, for myself (one who voted for nader twice) i get the same creepy negative vibe from the clintons.
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KEM PATRICK April 30th, 2008 6:05 pm,
hey Kem, glad you didn't read the article - good job- , but you dropped down 40 comments to share that insight. you are my hero kem patrick. you SOPHIST!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophistry
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happy mayday!!!!!!!!!
...peace...
i love reading comments on this site....KEEP IT UP GUYS,YOU'RE DOING GREAT !! in the end it will not matter that much to most people on this site....because after the election is over in november,we are all going to wake up with the same BILLS,same JOBS,and the same lifestyle for the most part....if you are not a MILLIONAIRE OR BILLIONAIRE IT WON'T MATTER !!!
There's an interesting article by Chris Hedges that talks about Obama's love affair with corporate America.
http://www.alternet.org/election08/83890/
litt_wmn@yahoo.com
Aetheist
Come on now! We live in a real world. Can anyone say Ralph Nader? Yeah whatever happened to "change"? Ever seen a sword or knife blade being made? It's only until the blade is in it's final form that it is totally quenched. Until that point it is cooled slightly and reheated over and over again to temper the blade. To use another cliche and with fear of mixing my metaphors, "it's not the fall that kills you, but the sudden stop". If you can slow the descent bit by bit then the stop isn't that bad at last. So the reality of the situation if that we must temper our enthusiasm with a heeping helping of reality.
To wit, we still live in the America of Amadou Diallo, Sean Bell, Emmitt Till, Susan Smith, Drew Peterson, and Willie Horton. Want to frighten White Americans beyond belief and even some African-Americans trot the spectre of the crazy, big, black buck! We say the spectacle of ven Martin Luther King Jr being painted as the sexually crazed negro out to besmerch the granduer that was America. Let's not be so naive as to totally believe the hype of post-Racial America. Remember how Time and Newsweek doctored OJ's picture to make him darker complected? And therefore more sinister!
Sen. Obama and his campaign managers and advisor's know full well that he is all too familiar with the positions and philosophy of Rev. Wright and although they also know that he, Sen Obama may have reservations with some of what Rev Wright belives and expouses they also realize that without now clearly distancing himself from most if not all that the Rev. has had to say all hope is lost for this Black Man of ever becoming President of the USA.
And even after spending 12 years as a commissioned officer in the US Army I still realize that as a Black Man in America there are somethings and privileges that do not come immediately to me. This weekend on my way for a bike ride with an Army Colonel and LT.Colonel I was speeding and stopped by a cop. I called my cousin the Colonel to let him know why I would be late. You know the 1st thing he told me? "Make sure you keep your hands on the dashboard!"
Change? Yeah tell me about it!
Banjoman,
Instead of feeding off right wing progaganda, why not have a look at what Reverend Wright actually said, and see if he said anything that wasnt justified. Last time I checked, everything he actually said was true in reality.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19836.htm
To hell with the Clintons and the DLC! There is no difference between them and John McCain. They are both dangerous imperialists and fascists.
Amen. I noticed all by myself how B. and H. Clinton were kissing up to the republicans to hurt Obama. What is wrong with them? I thought up until now (the election) that they had more sense than they have shown. Give me Obama any day over Clinton or McCain. They have really shown how awful they are. It is obvious that they are throwing everything they can think of at Obama. It makes me more certain that Obama should be our next president.
there are 3 corporate groups trying to stop obama...... the republicans... the clintons and the media.... obama has 3 opponents....
the clintons KNOWS the more they lessen obama will be the more they will have influence and power and more that bill will get money for his speaches..... the clintons are the most corrupt politicians in the history of american politics....
and the lying and the spin by the media about pa primary is also something that people need to look at.... hillary won by 9.2 % not double digits not 10%... hillary won in ohio by 10.4% and in pA the state had more of clinton TYPE voters than ohio... less blacks also for obama.. so clearly clinton did not progress but instead went down hill.. the news media is not playing this correctly.. trying to influence this by lieing also..
the type people thjat hillary are getting are the dumd whites NOT the wise whites..... and the too old people to think straight.... the 3 states of oregon .. montana and south dakota will be obams more wise voters and he will win very strongly again there.
hillary will have ky and west virgia left so there cannot be any gain by hillary..
with next weeks primaries of indiana and NC she will lose more delegates and more popular vote...
again the CLUE how hillary has NOT GAINED but instead has lost some her base is how the PA voters that were HER TYPES went more for obama than these same voters did in ohio....
the voters show there is NO MO for hillary but the media is TRYING to give this feeling to voters to help hillary against obama...
clintons supporters are the dumbest voters in america...and its really scary for the nation that there are more than a handful of these... cause this suggests it will not be hard for america to elect a monster like hitler and america get destroyed!!!!
there are 3 corporate groups trying to stop obama...... the republicans... the clintons and the media.... obama has 3 opponents....
the clintons KNOWS the more they lessen obama will be the more they will have influence and power and more that bill will get money for his speaches..... the clintons are the most corrupt politicians in the history of american politics....
and the lying and the spin by the media about pa primary is also something that people need to look at.... hillary won by 9.2 % not double digits not 10%... hillary won in ohio by 10.4% and in pA the state had more of clinton TYPE voters than ohio... less blacks also for obama.. so clearly clinton did not progress but instead went down hill.. the news media is not playing this correctly.. trying to influence this by lieing also..
the type people thjat hillary are getting are the dumd whites NOT the wise whites..... and the too old people to think straight.... the 3 states of oregon .. montana and south dakota will be obams more wise voters and he will win very strongly again there.
hillary will have ky and west virgia left so there cannot be any gain by hillary..
with next weeks primaries of indiana and NC she will lose more delegates and more popular vote...
again the CLUE how hillary has NOT GAINED but instead has lost some her base is how the PA voters that were HER TYPES went more for obama than these same voters did in ohio....
the voters show there is NO MO for hillary but the media is TRYING to give this feeling to voters to help hillary against obama...
clintons supporters are the dumbest voters in america...and its really scary for the nation that there are more than a handful of these... cause this suggests it will not be hard for america to elect a monster like hitler and america get destroyed!!!!
There are quite a few ways to interpret Jeremiah Wright and the various "spins" about his statements.
Food for thought in the article