Profiling CEOs and Their Sociopathic Paychecks
The Wall Street Journal reported last week that "Executives and other highly compensated employees now receive more than one-third of all pay in the US... Highly paid employees received nearly $2.1 trillion of the $6.4 trillion in total US pay in 2007, the latest figures available."
One of the questions often asked when the subject of CEO pay comes up is, "What could a person such as William McGuire or Lee Raymond (the former CEOs of UnitedHealth and ExxonMobil, respectively) possibly do to justify a $1.7 billion paycheck or a $400 million retirement bonus?"
It's an interesting question. If there is a "free market" of labor for CEOs, then you'd think there would be a lot of competition for the jobs. And a lot of people competing for the positions would drive down the pay. All UnitedHealth's stockholders would have to do to avoid paying more than $1 billion to McGuire is find somebody to do the same CEO job for half a billion. And all they'd have to do to save even more is find somebody to do the job for a mere $100 million. Or maybe even somebody who'd work the necessary sixty-hour weeks for only $1 million.
So why is executive pay so high?
I've examined this with both my psychotherapist hat on and my amateur economist hat on, and only one rational answer presents itself: CEOs in America make as much money as they do because there really is a shortage of people with their skill set. And it's such a serious shortage that some companies have to pay as much as $1 million a day to have somebody successfully do the job.
But what part of being a CEO could be so difficult-so impossible for mere mortals-that it would mean that there are only a few hundred individuals in the United States capable of performing it?
In my humble opinion, it's the sociopath part.
CEOs of community-based businesses are typically responsive to their communities and decent people. But the CEOs of most of the world's largest corporations daily make decisions that destroy the lives of many other human beings.
Only about 1 to 3 percent of us are sociopaths-people who don't have normal human feelings and can easily go to sleep at night after having done horrific things. And of that 1 percent of sociopaths, there's probably only a fraction of a percent with a college education. And of that tiny fraction, there's an even tinier fraction that understands how business works, particularly within any specific industry.
Thus there is such a shortage of people who can run modern monopolistic, destructive corporations that stockholders have to pay millions to get them to work. And being sociopaths, they gladly take the money without any thought to its social consequences.
Today's modern transnational corporate CEOs-who live in a private-jet-and-limousine world entirely apart from the rest of us-are remnants from the times of kings, queens, and lords. They reflect the dysfunctional cultural (and Calvinist/Darwinian) belief that wealth is proof of goodness, and that that goodness then justifies taking more of the wealth.
Democracy in the workplace is known as a union. The most democratic workplaces are the least exploitative, because labor has a power to balance capital and management. And looking around the world, we can clearly see that those cultures that most embrace the largest number of their people in an egalitarian and democratic way (in and out of the workplace) are the ones that have the highest quality of life. Those that are the most despotic, from the workplace to the government, are those with the poorest quality of life.
Over time, balance and democratic oversight will always produce the best results. An "unregulated" marketplace is like an "unregulated" football game - chaos. And chaos is a state perfectly exploited by sociopaths, be they serial killers, warlords, or CEOs.
By changing the rules of the game of business so that sociopathic business behavior is no longer rewarded (and, indeed, is punished - as Teddy Roosevelt famously did as the "trustbuster" and FDR did when he threatened to send "war profiteers" to jail), we can create a less dysfunctional and more egalitarian society. And that's an important first step back from the thresholds to environmental and economic disaster we're now facing.
This article is largely excerpted from Thom Hartmann's new book "Threshold: The Crisis of Western Culture."
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i love thom hartmann... and thank him immensely for the ongoing eduction he provides via his radio program...
but... stockholders don't do anything... maybe in a ceremonial kabuki manner... and maybe a few high percentage stockholders at a corporation or two do...
but... it's the board of directors that hires and votes on ceo pay... i'm not disputing any of thom's musings either...
but the directors... are usually directors and ceo's of other corporations... the stockholders are simply hoping to share in the earnings.... and are willing or unwilling players in the same game...
if you're invested in ABC Corp., and your holdings and / or dividends provide well for you... you may not care the captain of the ship is a socio-path...
when reagan fired the air traffic controllers... that was the opening shot on pensions... then we were sold the captive investment scheme of 401k's... made attractive initially by company matches...
but... like cable and atm's... once people became lazy and addicted to them... 401k's are simply now a way to hold people's retirements hostage... and have the masses rooting (maybe in private) for good ol' corporate america to keep steamrolling over life on the planet...
years ago... gm bought ross perot's eds corp... and he got a seat on the board of gm... but... he tried to shake things up... and i've already lost 75% of you for mentioning perot's name... but he's had it so right for so long... how the republicans have consistently re-bankrupted the treasury... nafta... etc., but back to gm... they finally bought him out because they didn't want change anything... that was the late 80's i think... 20 years later... gm is kaput...
can't entirely blame the ceo's... they don't hire themselves... other people do... and other people vote their pay packages...
I think these are some good questions, with good answers. Now if we apply this to the rest of the world leadership issues, then it seems we're really on to something. Because psychopaths do not really care about money - it is power and control they seek. Money can be one avenue towards that end, another is the political road. In oppressed Poland during the 1940's, Andrew Lobaczewski and a team of global (and many anonymous) scientists developed a study of this all important understanding of human evil. It's "Political Ponerology" and probably one of the most important if not the most important discoveries for humanity. It's a study on how psychopaths influence and turn upside down the words thoughts and deeds of normal people. when you take this on a macro-social scale, as well as something occurring throughout human history, we can really see why the world is the way it is. The study has only been released in the past 4 years, so few have heard of it. It's worth looking up.
Sioux, thanks for the critique below. I re-read your comments and agree: i.e., it is jaundiced to single out only one aspect in any cultural issue and spirituality is more diverse than my comments note.
I regret doing so. My comments here are limited by personal responsibility to other things in my life, so I try to get to the main point as quickly as I can and surely miss a more balanced and comprehensive ordering. If I had more time, I would rectify those omissions in the future, but I do not. Thanks for pointing it out. You are right on the money and I greatly respect and admire your comments here on CD.
I don't know much about astrology, but what Ive read does not accurately depict my sign: I am a goat who dislikes conservative values and business, but on the accurate side I am loyal to friends and partners (although currently single), I travel often to other regions of the globe and work with indigenous healers and groups to support the ancient traditions of First Peoples and their land rights; and also seeking ways to partner with indigenous elders to preserve their diminishing cultural traditions, and languages: once the language is lost so too, is the tradition, so it is important to counter the imperialists at every turn; I work in the healing arts so gain much about my own art and craft through these cross cultural encounters.
Writer's on astrology assert my type as conservative and not liking change; nothing could be further from the truth so I question its validity to my own experience and life, but hold it out as valid to anyone that finds promise for unlocking meaning in their own journey.
Best regards...
Sioux Rose
BODIHAWK: I admire the work that you do! You are one in the forum I would like to meet in person! In any case there is a profound misconception about astrology. Just as we in the progressive world notice how little media attention is given to important issues, along with indepth analysis of the causative factors; what the public is given (or should I say exposed to) with respect to astrology is the outermost garment, not its essence, nor indicative of astrology's powerful system of intricate nuances. In other words, the sun sign is the tip of the iceberg in this field of study.
Mercury, which relates to our particular thought process (12 signs = 12 quintessential "languages" of perception/perspective "spoken" on earth, with infinite variations on each one's thematic structure) can only be at most one sign away from the sun sign. You're a goat like Phil Donahue or Ben Franklin, and you probably have your Mercury in the more freedom-loving sign of Aquarius, Capricorn's "next door neighbor." Ronald Reagan was an Aquarian but acted more like a Capricorn. Each sign and its planetary ruler expresses on the basis of a network of interlocking factors. Even though one may be born under a certain sun sign, that sign's expression may be "over-ruled" by emphasis on a different sign (many planets there), or the geometric angles that either support or impede the flow pattern of a given sign's intended energetic expression.
I always find it rather amazing that Jesus chose 12 disciples, Abraham founded 12 tribes, and the Zodiac that predates these religious systems also focuses on 12 quintessential types. Like a living prism, through these specific designations (not unlike the various organ systems that together enable a body to live and grow) humanity, as a collective "body" is intended to evolve. As I have pointed out very often, the cultural emphasis on Mars (militarism) which is an outgrowth of patriarchal religions, has corrupted the template, and undermined heaven's plan via the model of the egalitarian circle and its coordinated parts, or 12 spokes issuing from the Divine wheel/mandala of universal time. A return (in awareness) to the circle would help humanity overcome its worst urges, and gain an understanding of how balance can function in our world through an integration of the intended paths (and their "celestial built-in" counter-balancing functions).
Almost anyone can be a CEO if you have the right people around you and listen to them. A CEO has one of the easiest jobs in the world; because there are so many resources and perks available.
I believe the problem is that management and boards of directors set the pay and compensation of their executive pay. That's like letting the fox mind the chicken coop. It would be better to allow the share holders to vote on executive pay at annual meetings. CEOs and boards of directors are basically thieves setting their own agenda at this point.
Calling CEOs “sociopaths” is too simple and misses the underlying problem:
a society that has been manipulated into accepting the insane as “normal”: an economic system based on the “holy trinity” of (endless) growth, competition and market ideology.
“George Markley”, “Bliss Doubt”, “JenniferBedingfield”, “NateW” and “Mordechai Shiblikov” – I think you have all pointed in the right direction so allow me to use some of your remarks as a starting point for my arguments:
“When was it written in scripture that making money is the end all of human endeavor?”
This is perhaps the most important question in this context: The job of CEOs is “to make money”, to generate maximum profits for their shareholders and in doing so, for themselves, too. This is considered to be “rational” behaviour (“self-interest”).
In his groundbreaking book “Small is beautiful” E.F. Schumacher (back in the 1970s) taught us, that this kind of capitalism (economy) is doomed to fail in the long run, because it has no self-limiting principle and Erich Fromm (“To Have or to Be” (1979) – one of the most important books ever written) explained that in early forms of capitalism when (Christian) morality was still an issue in the organisation of society ( e.g. lending money at interest was forbidden and called “usury”) the central question was "What is good for man?" but as capitalism became more powerful it changed to "What is good for the system (and its architects)?
His conclusion was, that the economic system needed to enforce egotism, selfishness and greed in order to function (to ensure ever encreasing consumption and profit) and that this self-damaging behaviour would eventually create a sick society and destroy the environment. Fromm also pointed out, that once “economic” behaviour became separated from ethics (see "financial crises” and corporate scandals) and human values, the total victory of the economic machine, which was supposed to run according to its own laws (“rule of the market” in modern parlance) was only a matter of time. Karl Polanyi warned that in the end, society would become an adjunct to the market (“The Great Transformation”) and he was right.
YOUR COMMENTS:
“It is the ability to go after competitors, get them for the price you want, strip them of assets and put them out of business, or otherwise keep them from being real competitors.”
“It's getting even clearer that excessive self-interest and materialism can result in total self-destruction.”
“The United Scams of America, the United Sociopaths of America - call this nation what you want. This is the exquisite world's capitol [sic] of primitive acquisitiveness and the rip-off raised to Shakespearean levels.”
(Mordechai – strong words as always, but right on target...)
We must question the foundations of our economic system not just lament the symptoms of the disease like the grave economic injustice / rising inequality:
the top 300.000 Americans now have the same income as the bottom 150 million; Josef Ackermann, head of Deutsche Bank “earns” more than 1,500 $ PER HOUR, the crooks at Government Sachs "make" probably twice as much, etc.) And yet, media debates about “greed” and bonus systems as incentives to be “greedy” are misleading, in my opinon.
The root causes lie deeper, in the basic assumptions of accepted economic thinking:
1) Is “competition” really a good thing? Competing for what, exactly? Cheapest labour cost? Greatest Efficiency? Lowest Prices? Who determines the rules for the competition? At whose expense? Why are social and environmental costs not factored in? (profits privatized, costs socialized)
If maximum (and ever increasing) profits are the ultimate goal, then “competition” cannot be a good thing, on the contrary: in order to squeeze out ever more profits, all moral and ethical considerations (which make us human) must be discarded as “trade barriers”, etc.
A special jargon has to be created in order to rationalize and sanitize the madness: e.g.“financial innovation” (racketeering and massive fraud), “free trade” (exploiting the weaker countries in a modern form of colonialism and through debt bondage - WTO, IMF, World Bank, etc.)
But still, based on socio-anthropological findings, Fromm thinks that man is an essentially moral and social being, which thrives on solidarity, compassion, love and shared emotions with other people, not material abundance or lust for power.
The problem is, the ruling power elite have long ago abandoned their moral compass (as an obstacle to business goals) and substituted it with the "profit & power barometer" but this does not make them sociopaths. They are the product of a system that encourages and rewards anti-social behaviour (in the sense that it is bad for the broad majority of citizens (the "herd”), but good for a small, dominant elite.)
The hysteria, which the (abuse of the) word “socialism” is able to generate in the US media, is both amusing and frightening for a European spectator. That US citizens put up with staggering sums of taxpayer money wasted on corporate welfare (now in the trillions, after the Wall Street Mafia has plundered the nation) but get cheated out of their own social security (most of all affordable public health care) speaks volumes about how this society has been brainwashed...
That endless “economic growth”, as another absurd principle of modern economic policy, can only lead to disaster (since it means using up our natural capital even faster at the expense of future generations) must be abandoned, should be clear by now (given the alarming signs of climate disruption and environmental degradation we are already witnessing) but our politicians are not able to think outside the box....they have become robotic servants of the neofeudal system...
In order to achieve a sustainable economy, the structure of industry and finance must be regulated (no one may be “too big too fail”, become so rich & powerful, that they effectively control the government...) and without a reasonably fair destribution of income, the inherent economic instability of a capitalist sytem will only get worse over time...
Sioux
TOQUEVILLE: Excellent post.
Your real freedom is in your own abilities. When you go to work for a corporation you relinquish your future to them. They will use you as long as you bring them value for their own purposes ( their bottom line ) not yours. When they are done with you they will spit you out. The only power corporations have is what we give them willingly. Take charge of your life and dont hand your future security and livelihood to them. They are amoral and will demand loyalty from you but they will not reciprocate.
v, this is what I try to tell younger people when I get a chance - to focus on acquiring some solid knowledge and skills that can be used to actually produce something useful, or better yet, to actually develop a better product or a system. I try to tell them not to look for "security" or a big pay especially when they are young and can afford to take risks, but instead to focus on becoming independent - like an entrepreneur. But I know it's not easy - I have at times felt that it's easier to be an entrepreneur in a developing country these days. There's something in the U.S. that seems to smother such initiatives today.
Thom Hartmann should be required reading.
Corporations float the wrong people to the top of the power structure for the wrong reasons.
Corporate "personhood" must be revoked and charters amended to permit profit, but not at the expense of the commons, ecology, or human and community rights.
As long as state-corporatism is supported with our dollars and votes, nothing will change (voluntarily).
The first thing we have to change is ourselves.
As far as qualifications go, they all seem to come from wealth, which is why I think these people would have become gangsters and pimps had they not been raised in circles of privilege. And these people ARE in short supply, and their number is dwindling.
Think about it. How many people are born into such wealth?
I knew a CEO. He was easily the phoniest person I ever met. He smiled as if he were a wolf bearing his teeth. And he contributed nothing to the welfare of the company. He was a paid figurehead who golfed during the day. He bled the company dry, and then left to be shuffled into another company by an old pal. The man was a vampire.
The reason this happens is interlocking boards of directors, they take care of there own. I worked all my life as a skiller laborer. In the 60's and 70's I had good insureance and benifits, after Regan got elected and let the corps play with my retirement fund I knew I was fucked. I got put in a 401k and saw that the profits of the company went to the officers of the company not to the workers as benifits and retirement, they fucked us big time. I gave 4 years of my life to this country 6-67 6-71 I had enough education to be made a tech not cannon fodder,but I put my ass on the line and swore to protect and defend. I did not do it to see this kind of thing happen to the middle class. Our Congress is bought and payed for by corps no matter who is elected thay are bought. Untill the American public demands their tax money be used or the public good and not foreign adventures we will remain totally fucked.
The reason this happens is interlocking boards of directors, they take care of there own. I worked all my life as a skiller laborer. In the 60's and 70's I had good insureance and benifits, after Regan got elected and let the corps play with my retirement fund I knew I was fucked. I got put in a 401k and saw that the profits of the company went to the officers of the company not to the workers as benifits and retirement, they fucked us big time. I gave 4 years of my life to this country 6-67 6-71 I had enough education to be made a tech not cannon fodder,but I put my ass on the line and swore to protect and defend. I did not do it to see this kind of thing happen to the middle class. Our Congress is bought and payed for by corps no matter who is elected thay are bought. Untill the American public demands their tax money be used or the public good and not foreign adventures we will remain totally fucked.
" I got put in a 401k "
If it involved any portion of your pay you *agreed* to it. If not you never lost any of your own money.
"The reason this happens is interlocking boards of directors,"
I alluded to this in an earlier post, it's potentially the most fruitful line of inquiry as to why there is a disparity of salary. Thom ignored this. However:
"they take care of there own."
It is not enough to make the charge in a general way as above, you must make a specific case. You must name the names of specific individuals on specific company boards to ID a particular Interlocking Directorate and then demonstrate what any collusion may have led to, whether it's the setting of CEO prices or the setting of gasoline prices. Rarely does anyone do it, but it should be very easy to do in the case of publically traded companies.
first, i think the label "sociopaths" for CEOs is incorrect. they are narcissists who, a therapist once told me, are "sort of sociopaths in pinstriped suits." they don't break laws (overtly) like sociopaths, because image is very important to them, and going to jail (which many sociopaths do) is very unpleasant and un-image-enhancing. we have a lot off narcissists in our society, and they are drawn to politics and corporate-climbing particularly, due to the power, money, and attention gained.
that said, we should all stop reading other people's opinions (mea culpa) and read orwell's animal farm again or for the first time, because it's really the only book you need to understand politics, corporations, media, human behavior, etc. and it's very very short--100 pgs or so! there's lots of them in used book stores, too, because so many teachers assigned it to students who never actually read it, and therefore had no interest in keeping it.
then you'll know how it will actually all turn out.
Here's another perspective:
The reason CEOs are so highly paid is because they can arrange to be so. They're skilled at the highly valuable business skill of putting the business in the way of wealth. So they're getting paid on that skill; and then they're using that skill, on top of that, to arrange flows of wealth to them.
And if you wish to see it in terms of a "job market for CEOs", here's why that's an incorrect metaphor for what transpires when a company needs a CEO:
The way a CEO comes into a company is either by networking ("we saw how you handled things at Yahoo"), by founding (being a part of the startup), or by nepotism.
Resume submission and interview? You have to be joking. Maybe that happens, but not in the vast majority of cases.
What's the common thread among the three above scenarios? They all capitalize upon the CEO's social network, which is highly individualized and highly personality-dependent.
No two CEO jobs are even remotely equivalent, because the job is just as much about leveraging human capital as it is about "pure business" (whatever that means).
Nor are any two CEOs roughly equivalent. You can measure the business acumen of CEOs, perhaps, in terms of their track record, but the fitness of any given CEO in a company is a function of who they've already schmoozed with and what kind of personalities they best mesh with. Leadership creates the style of company; but a leader stepping into an established company had better be something similar to the established style.
Thus for each open CEO position, there are precious few actual candidates. It's not a real market.
We're not dealing w/ a scarcity market because of a limited amount of sociopaths to go around. We're dealing in a commodity (CEOs) that has to be seen as a multitude of micro-commodities competing in a micro-market (each CEO job).
In other words: if any given CEO job only has 1 or 2 possible candidates, and if CEOs are absolutely demanded (i.e. there is no case in which we can go w/o one), then CEOs can ask whatever salary they want.
"Thus for each open CEO position, there are precious few actual candidates. It's not a real market."
You seem to repeat the error that Thom made that I pointed out early yesterday. Regardless of the veracity of the "sociopath" argument, a "free market" is not the same as a "competitive market". Google the terms for more. Your term, "real market", is not an economic term in general use, and I think you meant "free market".
I think it would be more appropriate to call these CEO's psychopaths rather than sociopaths. Sociopaths tend to be disorganized and to act rashly, whereas psychopaths are well organized and their actions are well planned out. Like sociopaths they are without conscience and manipulative, but they can, and do, rise to the top of their field, especially in a society that favors the success of this type of power grabbing person. They know how to play the power game, that's for sure.
I also feel that the article underestimates the number of psychopaths in high places. I would guess psychopaths would be more likely to succeed in both the military and politics, as well. All or most of Bush's handlers were likely psychopaths.
David Korten, in his book WHEN CORPORATIONS RULE THE WORLD, warned about ruthless CEO mentality many years ago when his book was first published in 1995. What he and Thom Hartmann are pointing out actually holds true. And from what I see, corporations are gaining momentum to economically and politically run the planet. It's like a loose federation of sociopathic lords, and the most successful ones are the most ruthless ones. This loosely organized federation of predatory corporations are more and more putting governments in their back pockets. Call me a cynic, but it looks to me like the ravaging effects of global warming might be the only thing that stops the global machine that is afoot. Any way it gets sliced, it seems that massive human suffering isn't far into the future. I wish we humans could find wise solutions without so much suffering. I guess I'm both a cynic and a dreamer.
Does Thom also open up speculation as to other careers and who are those that make out from our highly stratified educational system? Who makes up the bulk of politicians, academics, and policy wonks?
Instead of becoming more egalitarian and the supposed meritocracy we are fabled to be we have a reverse system in place that takes from the poor to enrich the wealthy.
Here in New Mexico we have the "Lottery Scholarship," takes from the poor and gives to the rich, what other regressive schemes are there in place, home ownership in the 1950's-1990's, Funding the exile Cuban population to the tune of $947 million from 1960-1974, as well as other so-called exile communities??
The artificial wealth built on the backs of the slaves, working class, etc. lets not be a-historical and dig a bit further Thom!!
Where are all the class-action lawsuits?
Class warfare at its finest!!
The sociopaths rule! The inmates are truly running the insylum--yet. We must do all our creative minds and efforts can muster to stop it!
See the movie
"The Corporation"
(it's a study in how corporations are sociopathic - almost all of it good, a couple of places with a grain of salt, but a right-on film.)
This is in response to the posts of BodhiHawk, Siouxrose and Ted Markow - actually it's more like I'm thinking aloud, rather than countering what you said regarding 'New Age', 'Law of Attraction', etc. I can't really decide where I stand on this - perhaps, like Ted, I have "a foot in both worlds" for the same reason - that is, I need to stay hopeful of a better future for all. I attended a meditation meeting yesterday, where there was a talk about wealth and our thoughts. I pointed out that individual affluence, when disconnected from the reality of millions of other human beings, is not of much value, especially when it disregards the environment and condones overconsumption. At least one person thought I was some kind of Marxist - and personally, for some reason, I don't like to be thought of as a Marxist, as I have this image that Marxists don't care much about individual freedom and spirituality (I could be wrong, but it's not important). Anyway, here's why I think we cannot discount the power of thinking:
First of all, "thinking" or "visualizing" is different from "delusion". It's delusion that gets us into trouble. Believing in any kind of ideology - capitalist or socialist or communist - without taking personal responsibility will make us powerless. That's why you see so many 'Joe-the-plumber's' defending the very system that exploits them. History also tells us that believing in a communist ideology hasn't delivered the utopia that was promised. I think one of the reasons was that there were far too many "followers" and too few "leaders".
Criticizing an obviously faulty system without presenting a compelling vision of an alternative way of doing things, or better yet, showing what can work, has limited value. Having a vision and taking action to make it a reality will require a certain amount of positive thinking. After all, if you don't believe deep down that change is possible, how can you bring about change? (I'm not talking about the "change we can believe in" - I mean REAL change). That said, attacking a faulty system does have its value - when you do that, and you see others expressing similar thoughts, it's a first step - you know you are not alone in this fight. But taking it to the next stage takes a certain vision and action - they both depend on positive thinking and a belief that change is possible. At a personal level, "being the change you want to see in the world" is extremely important for a leader. At times like this, we cannot wait for the ONE leader, but instead, we need lots of leaders at various levels. Here's another quote from Gandhi: "When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always." I take it as positive thinking.
BodhiHawk calls CEO pay as 'the cart' and "a broken political system" as the horse. Well, I would say that the general feeling of powerlessness and giving up responsibility after voting is THE HORSE and the 'system' is the cart. When there were better alternatives (Nader, McKinney) and people failed to see their worth, whose fault is that? It's the same people that got behind the Terminator forcing a 'recall' of Gray Davis, thinking that they were taking some major political action - but I would call that 'delusion' and buying into the hype. Opting for the lesser of the evils will also "attract" exactly that.
The way I see it, 'New Age' thinking doesn't have to do with prosperity alone - it could also involve an egalitarian way of thinking. After all, when you truly feel everything and everyone are connected, how can you disregard the suffering of others and damage to nature? When we begin to understand what 'ego' is, we'll be that much more effective in not offending or threatening others with our ideas, and thereby building a critical mass. Being alert and not falling for the exhortations of demagogues (as happened during some of the past "revolutions") requires a certain intelligence. I see no contradiction between an intelligent, alert citizenry and "living in the now". Accepting responsibility doesn't have to lead to a feeling of victimhood. Also, coming out of a desperate situation is easier when there is a positive feeling. The mistake that many people make is to limit their 'visualization' only to themselves or to blindly follow a demagogue. I also think there could be some validity to the concepts of karma - individual and collective. Collectively, western societies have probably done more harm than good to nature and other people. Recognizing this could help avoid future mistakes. The most recent example of a massive bad karma was allowing the invasion of Iraq to take place. Well, if the MSM was largely culpable, then we need to take responsibility for not having alternative media. It's a battle of ideas out there. If there is not a critical mass for the kind of change we would like to see, we do need to take some responsibility. And my personal experience tells me that offending other people's egos is not going to win me more 'converts', no matter how convinced I am about my ideas.
By the way, all this could be 'New Age' only in the West, and maybe not so elsewhere. So, let's not make 'New Age' into another derogatory term like 'liberal' - which, by the way, is a very respectable term in many countries.
Alycon, I concur with Ted, nicely stated.
And to answer both your question and Rose concerning an often overused rhetorical term like “New Age”, I define it as a group of people who are morphing ancient wisdom for the benefit of themselves and totally disregarding the commitment aspect of their ‘feel good’ spiritual beliefs. As a case in point, I am talking about the appropriation of indigenous wisdom by Eurocentric peoples to enhance their own prosperity, even at the expense of the cultural traditions from whence they were initially born. I have absolutely nothing against ancient wisdom when it is honored in its completeness; and its completeness is always a function of personal responsibility.
Ken Wilber, e.g., characterizes the green meme as highly advanced form of evolutionary awareness, but also names its dark side which is narcissistic. If one focuses only on themselves apart from the suffering humanity, they are entirely missing the point of the spiritual engagement. The dark side of the New Age is touched on by Wilber in his many writings on the subject along with Hedges prophetic piece.
With regards your observation Ted, I fully agree with your point. We disagree on methods. As I understand your many posts, like Hartmann, you belong in the change the Democrats from within camp. I don’t. Take QS hysterical rants contradicting her-self at every turn. Out one side of her mouth she affirms Hedges, and out the other side she acts as a Courtier for the Obama Administration as does Hartmann. Hedges, for example, posted some of the most scathing attacks against the Democratic Party/Obama, and often noted his support of Nader and advocated for his election. QS is also on record has hating Nader, and those who supported or voted for him. As we have now seen a vote for Obama was a wasted vote.
While we agree on social and human issues, we disagree on how to best achieve them.
Working to build Third Parties and voting for people like Nader or McKinney is honorable, and it is DOING SOMETHING. Besides the obvious, I’ve worked in the non-profit world for marginal populations, and the environment for sub standard pay for over twenty years but am not currenlty doing so: so I am doing something every day to bring viable outcomes including doing volunteer work in my bio region.
I subscribe to the axiom act local and think global. (I note this is something you are currently doing; so I agree with your efforts, but beisdes our personal actions we need to build an alternative to the duopoly and divorce ourselves from the Democrats until they prove worthy of our investment in them.)
Personal transformative outcomes goes way beyond sitting in front of one’s computer all day long to insure (as QS does) that the purity of the Democratic Party, and her personal icons receive the homage she thinks they deserve.
As far as the change the Dems from within ideology goes, I think it has been proven false since the clarion call first went out and received its due note around the time Tom Hayden joined the party and then showed us it cannot be done.
There has been absolutely no significant leftward shift in our current moment as evidenced by Obama’s actions while president; in fact, the converse is true, he has moved the party to the right, even though he campaigned on a populist platform. (If you read Hartmann's new book thershold, as I am currently doing, Hartmann even points out the same circumstance with regards Bill Clinton getting elected on a populist platform, but then follwoing the advice of Rubin a neo-liberal and undercutting populism: exactly what we find Obama doing.)
Moreover, I don’t think it necessary to list the issues which prove the assertion that changing the Dems from within is a fools quest, and a waste of time.
Everyday on CD I read articles which prove otherwise, and the only people blind to it are people like Hartman and his ilk.
"With regards your observation Ted, I fully agree with your point. We disagree on methods. As I understand your many posts, like Hartmann, you belong in the change the Democrats from within camp."
I don't know where you got that notion, but far be it for me to change your mind.
It doesn't matter anyway. I'm done picking fly excrement out of pepper here. See, I really don't give a flying fig who is president. Well, not entirely. I'd rather have an Obama than a McCain. Call me quaint, but I think things can certainly be worse than they are. Been there.
So yes, yes, by all means, let's keep pointing fingers and accusing others. This week it's Obama and his Obamabots, next week it's Hartmann and his fools, the following week, who? Just another day in Liberal-land, where we slice and dice and eat our own. Hell, it's much easier to point the finger than it is to look in the mirror, isn't it?
Doesn't matter. This is all pixelated hot air.
Godspeed, I'm done.
Well stated, Alcyon.
"Criticizing an obviously faulty system without presenting a compelling vision of an alternative way of doing things, or better yet, showing what can work, has limited value. Having a vision and taking action to make it a reality will require a certain amount of positive thinking."
Agreed. This is done all too frequently, and perhaps I've done it as well.
What I have said here many times, is that the people actually have far more power than we are aware of. Indeed, if we aspire to a democratic nation, we had better exert some of that power. The problem is, as I alluded to elsewhere in this thread, there is a lack of cohesion, of leadership in the "people power" approach. People need leadership (although, they are simultaneously distrustful of leadership - a true dilemma), so many times they are unwilling to pick up the mantle of citizenship. Dilemmas abound.
What confounds me is that most people here on Common Dreams understand, at some level, that the leaders have failed us. Or, more aptly, they are part of the problem, so we really have no hope of being lead anywhere by them other than to more of the same. And yes, there are apparent options (Nader, McKinney, et al), but if looked at in the context of where they would be trying to lead from, I think they would fall way short of where we would expect them to be...not much differently than Obama. The system will not put up with much change.
So, I am positive, or more to the point, hopeful. Hope is what gets me up in the morning and gives me the energy to organize a local permaculture group and a food buying co-op, and be a part of a time bank, and more. These things do not depend on one single politician. Are there any leaders in this mix? I suppose. I guess in a way, I am a leader, as are the others who have made the effort to get these various things off the ground. And this is the point. This is MY point: WE are the leaders! WE are the people! Democracy needs the people to be the leaders. If we do not agree with this, then we are ceding freedom to the system and we are at fault. And we have been at fault because we have ceded power to others.
Funny that I get blowback to this here on CD, but I do.
We need to stop looking to the conventional "leaders" to fix this shitstorm - they ain't gonna help. Cohesion or not, leaders or not - WE have to fix this - each one of us.
Who are the leaders among us? (Hint: just do something concrete and positive and you will be a leader.)
I've known a few small businessmen, and they are mostly bores. Many of them would gladly be sociopaths if they had the ability to head large companies. It's capitalism that puts these monsters in charge. When are we going to bite the bullet and realize that our form of capitalism must be destroyed? When was it written in scripture that making money is the end all of human endeavor?
Every business always starts small but fate will always decide which business get to grow into huge corporations and which ones won't. You raise an excellent point about the fact that not all small businessmen are the same.
Sioux Rose
Jennifer: Fate? I'd say it's a combo of luck, motive, opportunity and how much personal "Mars factor" (that raw ego that stamps everything with the impetus of self-interest first and foremost) the individual warrants. Of course society defines that behavior, when it crosses certain lines, lines that our new ersatz state-worship of a Mammon/Mars hybrid has blurred, sociopathic. There are so many benefits to controlling media, the frames of language, the doors of access, what topics get to be discussed, and who becomes knighted in status by an elaborate chain of various and sundry "think tanks" all financed by those who have their eye on the prize: and to them it's gold, that's all that glitters in their minds' eyes. Hearts wide shut.
You got me on that one. It was probably my upset feeling from thinking about JWVerez and his wife that clouded my judgment after I wrote my comment under today's article by Chris Hedges and mentioned JW and his wife. That's probably why the word fate kept sticking to my mind.
Thanks for correcting me on the factors. What you said could provide a perfect guidance to detecting potential crooks who should not be allowed to run large companies.
PS: JW's wife replied and shared her experience as a manager in CH's article.
pffffft
Having lived in the CEO world for 12 years it's not that the Board needs sociopaths to run the company as much as the Board are sociopaths too.
It's all about corporate coups and alliances.
And we mustn't forget the banksters and their entire web of financial linkages, not excluding the auditors and "creative" accountants.
In fact, the psychopathy seems quite pervasive and certainly doesn't end at the top of the tree from my perspective. Remember all those chortling "screw grandma" Enron hucksters?
They are all nothing but common racketeers.
I noticed quite some time ago that the big wheels in corporate america are in mergers and acquisitions. It isn't the management of people and money that gets you the multibillion dollar salary. It is the ability to go after competitors, get them for the price you want, strip them of assets and put them out of business, or otherwise keep them from being real competitors. In the event that the targeted competitor won't sell out, then the objective is to use predatory pricing to bankrupt them, even if it hurts your own company badly for a while. I think that is the nature of the sociopath element required for the job, the ability to abide in that deadly stand-off. The other big skill would be to get what your business needs from government, whether it is labeling laws that benefit your business but keep the public in the dark, or environmental laws that allow you to do harm in order to make profits, or laws that squash the rights of labor (the other, undervalued end of the capitalist equation). I imagine that it does take a very unique individual to be that fast, furious, heartless, stealthy, sly, tricky and completely free of any moral compass.
The most ruthless of companies will even go to great lengths to slit their own wrists just to grab those desperate bucks. They do all this in the name of "free" markets. It's getting even clearer that excessive self-interest and materialism can result in total self-destruction. Ralph Nader's father knew what he meant when he said that in the end socialism will rescue capitalism.
PS: Sioux Rose once wrote a powerful article a long time ago on Mars and Venus.
http://www.siouxrose.com/article.venus.htm
Her article, even though written in 1994, still holds true and indirectly relates to what you've described about the warlike mentality of Corporate America. Ms. Rose has also explained the toxic alliance of Mars and Mammon which relates directly to what you said. I don't know if you're into astrology but it can prove very helpful even if it's scary at first.
So what can us peons do? Refuse to buy their products and sell their stock. Avoid voting for their supporters? Perhaps a 110% income tax for averice,,,or break up the corporations before they break us.
To begin with, unless and until you can somehow take possession of effective means for broadcast communications and for organizing the peasantry en masse, the relatively few who are informed and influenced even by moderate sites such as this one are unlikely to carry much weight where it matters.
Even then you're faced with all the barriers to "subversion", both legal and otherwise, that any established system puts in place to protect itself and the status quo operating in its favor.
If the dilemma is significantly different from that faced by the colonial serfs of a previous era or the current empire's recipients of "freedom and democracy" elsewhere, it's not noticeably so. So far, the latter seem to be possessed of most of the rebellious spirit of the former. But that may change as the domestic scene darkens further -- and it almost certainly will.
I suppose I'm saying that it will have to get worse before it gets better. Sorry.
Nail on the head - except for this part:
"By changing the rules of the game of business so that sociopathic business behavior is no longer rewarded..."
See, the problem is, sociopaths do not give a shit about rules and laws - that's part of being a good sociopath. Laws prohibiting murder do not stop the SPs from murdering, just as more laws prohibiting the raping and pillaging of America and its people will not stop the sociopaths - who also suffer from the unofficial mental illness Greedism - from raping and pillaging America and its people.
Especially when the American people do absolutely nothing after said raping and pillaging... except ask for more...
"The most democratic workplaces are the least exploitative, because labor has a power to balance capital and management."
I always "harp on" the following and yes, sadly, I am going to do so again.
There IS NO capital without labor.
Capital is not money though the big "financials" seem to think so, and in one way it is since they make money simply by buying and selling paper which produces NOTHING, that is to say, they are NOT PRODUCTIVE in any rational sense of the word.
CAPITAL is bricks and mortar and machinery and infrastructure and natural resources. It takes LABOR to produce CAPITAL, and the sooner the capitalists acknowledge this the better off we will all be. Without labor the capitalist cannot build his factory or his shopping center or his big box store. Without labor the capitalist cannot mine his coal or drill his oil wells. The CEO is nothing in the end but a paper pusher and an order giver. The CEO is NOT a producer or a developer of capital. Without labor the capitalist is more useless than a pimple on a workingman's ass.
Well said.
"It takes LABOR to produce CAPITAL..."
Agreed. 100% agreed.
Then, it seems to me, the question that should logically follow is: How can labor make the capitalist system heel, especially when the capitalist owns not only the store, but the system of governance?
Unions are a way to force a little fairness in an otherwise Dickensian work system, but it can't bring Big Capital to its knees. Only one thing can do that at this point (IMHO): the LACK of labor.
I find your final paragraph somewhat confusing. You say that unions can't bring big capital to its knees but then advocate "lack of labor" as a solution that can do so.
While I agree that union actions have been only partially successful in the past, and even less so recently for various reasons, how would you propose to organise "lack of labor" differently than a union-organized strike? Sounds like an extremely difficult proposition, especially considering the numbers of potential "scabs" that a worsening economy would be likely to produce.
What I meant was a lack of OUR labor.
We are labor, we control what we do, where we work, what we consume, what we waste, what we then give away our labor for, what we consume, what we waste, what we...
Life may be a great cycle, but that doesn't mean we have to act like hamsters.
We are labor. Business needs us. We need business only as much as we consume its products. At this time, we are highly dependent on each other. What I am suggesting is that the labor end of the (raw) deal break the dependency cycle. Not cold turkey, but slowly, in many small ways.
Don't look to business to change. Don't look to politicians to change. Don't even look to unions to change. Who does that leave?
Deja vous 40 plus years ago...many progressives were so fed up with "the establishment": wars, racism, sexism, imperialism, corporate greed, "military industrial complex", etc. etc. that they did withdraw their labour by "dropping out" and going to rural areas and building log houses and growing their own food and creating communities ("communes")and being as self-sufficient as was possible. A lot of the draft dodgers who refused to go and kill people in other countries had a haven in these communities. It was supposed to be a new world but do any of these communities still exist?
So far as I can see it leaves only individuals with scant cohesion or organizational power for withdrawing labor or anything else in the way of effective counteraction to those other forces you mention. Am I missing something?
Well, apparently, it is I who am missing something.
See, I have been working on simplifying my life and buying less stuff for many years. I try to do without or buy used things when possible. I drive less, earn less, consume less, waste less. These are things I have done based on what I have seen coming for many years, and based on my readings of others who have simplified their own lives so that they no longer need to work for a living (at least, not for a destructive organization).
So yes, I am talking to individuals with scant cohesion. I have done what I have done with scant cohesion.
What I seem to have missed in my approach is the apparent fact that most people will not or cannot do this alone. They need others or a leader to show them the way.
I do not like this approach because any organization is a sitting duck to be co-opted by the machine. Happens all the time. However, maybe there is a middle way that I am overlooking.
One thing I will leave you with is that individuals have much more power than they realize. The fact that most don't know this is a testament to very slick propaganda that feeds our fear and need for "organization."
Much to ponder.
Sure, there's plenty we can do individually without any cohesion or organization and I hope you didn't think I was belittling that perspective. I'm just not sure that uncoordinated individual actions can succeed where organized efforts have failed in bringing big capital to its knees -- which was our starting point I think.
No, didn't think that at all.
Things I've done and do:
- Paid off my mortgage.
- Quit my corporate job.
- Worked at various low-paying (but satisfying) jobs.
- Joined with a group of others to meet and talk and support each other.
- Worked for a couple of quixotic independent political campaigns.
- Organized a permacluture group in my town.
- Am working on setting up a food-buying co-op.
- Am working on setting up a sustainable goods buying co-op.
- Work at a job that is 1/3 the distance from my corporate job.
- Write letters.
- Buy less, waste less, earn less, pay less in taxes.
- Make friends.
- Influence others.
- Yada, yada, yada.
Do you remember Apartheid in South Africa? Do you remember the boycotts that brought Apartheid to its knees? While that was done with organization, it was not done by forcing the South African government to get rid of its own system. It was done by millions of people in Britain and around the world pulling the rug out from under them economically. It seems the British learned a lesson from Gandhi.
So, maybe we do need an "organization," just not in the sense of one with a name and an address. The only way I know to start a disorganized organization is by word of mouth and by the written word.
We need to break with some conventions now. We need to work as an amorphous group, as individuals and as groups to pull the rug out from under this system that is killing us. Seriously, if we don't, who do you think will?
There is a political motivation to concentrate wealth.
It is to destroy Social Security.
When one-third of all wages go to the top 1 percent, their Social Security taxes stop at near the 100,000 level.
If that 2 trillion dollars were spread out to the middle class making a maximum 106,000 per year, it would result in about an extra 120 BILLION to fund Social Security.
This is why the republics want CEOs (and you) to fulfill the great old "American Dream" of being allowed to make incredible sums of money. It will ultimately destroy Social Security.
We are in the Gilded Age of corporate feudalism.
The United Scams of America, the United Sociopaths of America - call this nation what you want. This is the exquisite world's capitol of primitive acquisitiveness and the rip-off raised to Shakespearean levels. The only genius left in the USA is the genius of self-destruction.
actually when genetic engineers are going about removing certain
genes from human dna wouldn't it make the most sense to remove
this one first as this one can do more damage to humanity
then any other? rehabilitating these monsters is not possible.
isn't funny how few of a species can harm so many of others?
tom thanks again. you just explained little georgie bush.
education? check. IQ nah!
Legislation can be crafted to end abuses such as corporate pay at the stroke of a pen. If you believe that there is no linkage to legislation and corporate pay, I urge anyone not offering a Thom Hartmann apologetic to go to opensecrets org and follow the money trail including Obama's.
Quid pro quo is standard with those 'investments' by corporations. The role of government is to provide a check against unchecked power. An example of unchecked power is executive pay. For those who can still think a non Hartmann thought, you might consider his disciples who see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil non-sense as a case in point.
I would also urge anyone interested in reading Hartmann's book The Prophets Way, and draw your own conclusions; unless of course you need QS to do your thinking for you.
Hmm. I'm a little familiar with opensecrets.org and I don't recall any articles which discuss links between CEO compensation and Congressional inaction. Perhaps you could link to a specific piece to support your contention.
Generally, corporations are concerned with influencing regulatory legislation which they see as threats to their revenue sources and not as limitations on their expenditures.
q
I see that BodhiHawk is persisting with his "I hate Thom Hartmann " crusade in which he repeats the same charges without providing any examples or specifics.
Hartmann has been a critic of the corporation-centric status quo and a consistent if not perfect Progressive voice for years. I don't always agree with him but I do respect his point of view.
This particular posting belies BH's claim that Hartmann never "gets to the root" of an issue. He thoroughly examines the question of corporate pay as a reflection of the increasingly cruel and inhumane character of corporate behavior.
BH's observation about corporate pay being the result of Congressional inaction is nonsense. Corporations don't base their CEO compensation on what they think Congress will tolerate but on what they think the new CEO can deliver.
Also, corporations have been wining and dining Congressman, Senators, and government officials since the nineteenth century, long before exhorbitant CEO pay ever became an issue.
By trying to flagellate Hartmann with Chris Hedges excellent piece on corporate psychology, BH clearly shows that he doesn't understand either article.
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I don't know this BodhiHawk fellow, but I do know you and I think you are more correct. I think BodhiHawk has a rather naive idyllic view of governance, as it is now in this country and is not fully aware of how fascist and inseparable our 'government' is from the corporations. Perhaps he really attaches himself to the few functioning good individuals who are in office. He also does seem to have a real problem with Thom Hartmann. I suppose Hartmann does 'sell himself' (kind of a capitalist), though and that is an irritant to BodhiHawk and I can see why it is.
nedlud
Revolution for evolution....evolve out of the dark age of capitalism!
"If there is a "free market" of labor for CEOs, then you'd think there would be a lot of competition for the jobs."
Thom is committing a very common error above, equating a "free market" to a "competitive market". They are not the same.
A free market simply means that the participants are there of their own free will. This is quite different from whether a market is competitive. There are numerous websites that help illustrate these terms for those interested.
"my amateur economist hat on"
There is no sin in confusing the basic terms as long as you resolve not to do so in the future, once you know of your mistake.
As to the subject, I might suggest looking into "Interlocking Directorates" but then you have to make the specific case for it in each instance.
The CEOs should be required to wear a "Scarlet Letter". Probably "T" for theif. Maybe "WMD", "TW" might be better, ie. Toxic Waster.
I like the idea of branding the letters into their cheeks and foreheads.
q
The good news:
Obama has an "Antitrust Chief".
The bad news: She's focused on DEFENDING AT&T and Verizon.
Additionally, it doesn't appear that Wall Street Banks or Corporate Media are on her short list of businesses in need of an antitrust enema.
But then, you probably could've guessed that.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/26/business/
26antitrust.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss
Firstly, I would like to thank Hartamnn for using CD in promoting his new book Threshold from which the essay is culled. When it comes to self-promotion, and self-importance, Hartmann knows how to play the system to its hilt. You won't find a more committed 'true believer' anywhere on the planet than this man.
CEO pay is a crime largely because our Democratic and Republican representatives create carte blanche legislation that allows it. As long as corporate entities continue to fund the campaigns of our representatives, the system will continue to devolve exponentially. Along with campaign payoffs we find corporate payoffs providing free travel for senators and congressman on corporate jets, along with lavish vacations and other perks funding their bought and paid for lifestyle choices. With a broken political system such as ours, nothing is likely to change regarding CEO abuses regardless of how many books Hartmann writes against it. His focus is the cart rather than the horses who move the cart forward. CEO's will continue to feed from the polluted trough as long as our Democratic and Republican friends allow it.
Hartmann touches on the psychological underpinnings of self-interest which perpetuates the system of abuse, but fails to see the big picture. Rarely does he go to the root of the dysfunction. And the dysfunction is always mandated by our elected officials. Hartmann undercuts his own thesis every time he promotes a Democrat to office. He speaks with what my native friends call a forked tongue. He helps to get Democrats elected and then when they fail to deliver he offers a brief critique against them. Another self perpetuating bio feed back loop that changes nothing and provides cover for his mistaken support of people like Obama.
We might ask ourselves why? If you ever read Hartmann's book, The Prophets Way, you might find a clue to his belief system and thinking on the matter.
Hartmann is part of a new age, spiritual elite, that operates under the belief that tells us that our thinking creates our reality. This is in the same system of frames used by people like Marrianne Williamson, Ester and Jerry Hicks, or Dr. Wayne Dyer, to name a few, that believes that the way you think shapes transformational change in one's personal life, along with world wide transformation.
As a case in point, have you ever noticed on his radio show how he integrates affirmations (and lets be clear that using affirmations is a key belief of the new age movement) when he responds to those calling in asking him how he is doing, and he always offers this rejoinder in response, "I am good but I will get better." (Hartmann must repeat that phrase hundreds of times on his show.) Repeating positive affirmations is a key component of the New Age belief system that tells us that the words we use creates one's personal, and physical reality.
When you read these books (as I have done including The Prophets Way) there is a clear projection that we bring prosperity into our lives based on the way we think. But Hartmann has used it in other realms of engagment including politics. Now I am not against any one's belief system per say, but when it is used to manipulate multitudes by NLP principles to mobilize people, and their mobilization is unconscious, then they ought to understand the models of their manipulation and what it is based on.
I urge you people to read Chris Hedges recent piece, whose words are prophetic, and insightful. He talks precisely about this issue. As a point of juxtaposition to Hartmann, it tells us a lot about his career manipulating the masses to get Democrats elected, but with no significant movement of the progressive cause.
This taken from Hedges article is addressing the use of positive psychology used by corporations against those who do not march lock step with the company line, but the same standard can be applied to any organization or 'group think' agenda, including Hartmann's clever use of NLP to manipulate people to his ideology.
"Those who fail to exhibit positive attitudes, no matter the external reality, are seen as maladjusted and in need of assistance. Their attitudes need correction. Once we adopt an upbeat vision of reality, positive things will happen. This belief encourages us to flee from reality when reality does not elicit positive feelings. These specialists in "happiness" have formulated something they call the "Law of Attraction." It argues that we attract those things in life, whether it is money, relationships or employment, which we focus on. Suddenly, abused and battered wives or children, the unemployed, the depressed and mentally ill, the illiterate, the lonely, those grieving for lost loved ones, those crushed by poverty, the terminally ill, those fighting with addictions, those suffering from trauma, those trapped in menial and poorly paid jobs, those whose homes are in foreclosure or who are filing for bankruptcy because they cannot pay their medical bills, are to blame for their negativity. The ideology justifies the cruelty of unfettered capitalism, shifting the blame from the power elite to those they oppress. And many of us have internalized this pernicious message, which in times of difficulty leads to personal despair, passivity and disillusionment."
I urge you to read Hedges prophetic piece, but look through an inclusive lens to see how both sides of the duopoly use it, often to our collective demise.
From the Chris Hedges piece you mentioned:
"This flight into the collective self-delusion of corporate ideology, especially as we undergo financial collapse and the pillaging of the U.S. treasury by corporations, is no more helpful in solving our problems than alchemy."
And this is what I am addressing. Everything I have suggested is as anti-corporate as possible. Yet, folks would rather wait in their corporate-induced cocoons of familiarity and fear (and the familiarity of fear) and wait. Wait for what? God only knows. The Leader? Some group or organization that will lead us all to the promised land? Godot?
Who the hell knows.
Hedges is right, we are self-deluded. SELF-deluded. If we think that the system will change on its own, or by dint of the people's protestations, we are very self-deluded.
Sioux Rose
BODHIHAWK: Quite an in-depth and incisive analysis on your part. You did a better job than I in articulating powerful comparisons. Your post also touches on numerous debates I have had with others in the "New Age" realm. Actually, astrology (which holds my respect greatly) is very "OLD Age" stuff. Given that time via its orbital bodies circles, all Truths remain viable, and its evidence always comes full circle. The relevance of that analogy to your post is that all of the New Age "change your reality" devices do two things: first, they focus totally on the self. In this way, what gets published under the rubric of self-help/new age/spirituality mirrors the Right wing political mantra that "You're on your own." Nice fit. Second, there IS a power to positive thinking. Truly the mind IS builder. However, by focusing ONLY on this particular human endowment, all other ramifications, along with the awareness of mitigating factors (like personal and group karma) are lost.
It's my view that a sinister co-optation of the spiritual discussions of our times narrowed the subject matter to fit in nicely with Reaganomics. Each individual is expected to earn their own way, either through sweat, family $, or positive thinking. One can see this focus ONLY on the positive (which is also VERY popular in many Christian churches) was used by the Bush Junta in its illegal decision to block the TRUTH about Iraq from public/media broadcasts. To maintain the ILLUSION that all was going well required a whitewashing of what was REALLY taking place.
California has a lot of people who subscribe to this type of thought process, and thus when the state was recently on the cusp of bankruptcy, that self-deluded stubborn belief that: "It'll all work out" was very much on display. Were genuine changes made to offset economic realities? Borrowing continually against a bet on the future is another form of this delusion, and it's running the REAL economy into a symbolic sewer.
I've thought about approaching Michael Moore and suggesting he do a film on End Times. Bring up the historical record of other phases where persons were utterly convinced the end had come; and in terms of modern times, link it with the "prophetic trifecta" consisting of the NASA/weather scientists (who have bonafides behind their predictions), the make-war/M.A.D. advocates, who do what they can to court Armageddon in the form of a Middle East nuclear cauldron; and the Christians who believe the "Left Behind" narrative. This group's orientation could be juxtaposed with the shared belief on the part of many truly spiritual persons who are cognizant of numerous overlapping prophecies. I think such a documentary could be quite timely and influential in holding up the mirror that we recognize our own personal AND collective responsibility in shaping a viable future together.
What we term reality is the product of many streams of acion, thought, and energy. To signal out only ONE causative factor is not only limited, but it creates misconceptions about the true nature of our experience on the earth plane.
Well, I'm not one to shoot the messenger, no matter if he is a flawed vessel.
Hartmann makes some good points, whether he promotes Democrats or not. I don't have to vote the way he does to see the validity of some of what he writes.
Thanks for the Hedges info - I'll read it.
And I agree up to a point that having a positive attitude doesn't necessary alter reality, except that it alters the reality of the owner of said attitude. I can see his point - the "be happy" philosophy is not reality. But neither is the "see all the shit around us all the time" attitude. Both attitudes suppress us from doing the work that needs to be done with a clear mind.
So, I continue to live with a foot in both worlds - the one that is, and the one that I want to see. That's what keeps me working for a better world.
In other words: I'm not going to let the sociopathic corporatists stop me from enjoying my life.
"This belief encourages us to flee from reality when reality does not elicit positive feelings."
Obviously a very attractive belief system with many adherents. The corollary, of course, is that flights from reality thus engender plenty of wishful thinking that works to the advantage of "change you can believe in" candidates -- among others.
Forgetting CEOs for a moment, in all my years of work, I've hardly had a manager who I respected as a human being or, for that matter, who I thought was an effective manager--at least from an employee perspective.
I have had good managers, though have often noticed that managers like to talk about themselves.
In general, I have seen that the higher up the ladder people are, the more ego-centric they seem to be. Not in every case, but in general.
It really is a matter of personality and character. What our society defines as success is in many cases ego-centric sociopathy.
Sorry. Duplicate post.
q
"In general, I have seen that the higher up the ladder people are, the more ego-centric they seem to be. Not in every case, but in general."
I agree.
I've also noticed - on at least four different occasions during my career - that good managers tend to fall prey to corporate politics because they concentrate on producing good work and not on making others look bad. Their competence makes them targets of corporate weasels.
q
In a system that rewards performance with status symbols, the people likely to rise up the corporate ladder are those who are most attracted to status symbols - idolatry. People who are attracted to shiny objects are rarely good with other human beings, and are not the most intelligent people on the planet either.
If this reward system doesn't change, then nothing else will. Until the earth has been stripped down to the bone to make trophies for sociopaths.
"An 'unregulated' marketplace is like an 'unregulated' football game - chaos."
Not quite. Even the chaos of unregulated free-for-all games is usually more truly competitive than the mega-corporate marketplace of unfettered capitalist enterprise. The latter is always "regulated" by its singular "greed is good" ethic. It's those unconscionable constraints for the common good that offend the libertarians.
First, the title is off. Paychecks are inanimate objects, CEOs are not. CEOs are sociopathic, not paychecks. And not all CEOs, but many are.
As Gail alluded to, sociopathy is not limited to the boardroom. We see many sociopaths in Congress, the White House, the Cabinet, K Street, and other institutions that are part of the governance industry.
These people are not there for us. Trust me. They are there to fulfill their career dreams, or personal dreams. Be it power (mostly this), travel, the high of rubbing elbows with big-shots (and of being big-shots themselves) - it draws the same personalities into high power positions. These people are insatiable, so just electing them or hiring them into executive positions is not enough. They want more - always more.
If we look closely at sociopathic people, I believe we would find at least one authoritarian parent (usually a father) or issues around abandonment. Thus, sociopaths are like little children who must please Daddy for their whole lives and of course, never will, so they keep trying by any means.
Sad. Dangerously, sad.
"First, the title is off. Paychecks are inanimate objects, CEOs are not. CEOs are sociopathic, not paychecks."
I believe that the title alludes to the fact that the astronomical pay being given to CEOs is symptomatic or indicative of corporate sociopathology.
q
Good point. Touché.
"An "unregulated" marketplace is like an "unregulated" football game - chaos. And chaos is a state perfectly exploited by sociopaths, be they serial killers, warlords, or CEOs."
Well then, if this is true, we must have a good number of them running our federal, state and local governments. But fortunately, there are many "mere mortals" who have been stepping-up-to-the-plate to prosecute these sociopaths.
Hartmann does a good job of expressing what everyone who's ever had to work in corporate America has known for years, especially since the Reagan administration. Compassion and concern for fellow human beings are burdens in the business world and genuine barriers to career success.
We know from glimpses into this corporate mindset that ambitious corporate neophytes learn quickly that possession of good skills may get one a job but demonstrations of cruelty and heartlessness will get one promoted (see the documentary "The Corporation" for some examples).
I'm convinced that one of the biggest obstacles which female executives must overcome is the generalized perception - especially among their male colleagues - that women simply cannot shed their humanity as quickly and as easily as men. Obviously many can (e.g. Condi Rice, Ann Coulter, Nancy Pelosi, et al.)
As I suggested, nothing in this article is news but it always bears discussing.
q
"Obviously many can (e.g. Condi Rice, Ann Coulter, Nancy Pelosi, et al.)"
Glaring omission -- Hillary Clinton.
And some would add the loon from the north as well as the Iron Lady of the UK.
Point taken about Clinton and Thatcher but I tend to think that Palin is just a dumbass.
q
True. But that just proves that shedding humanity and dumbassery aren't mutually exclusive.
And one can notice this 'command and control' structure of sociopathic behavior filtering throughout the rest of the kingdom through the steadfast devotion people with specialist training--ie., good at only one thing, but very good at that one thing--have for their own paycheck. It's a simple 'cut and dried' sociopathy that regulates everyone. People are trained to do one thing good, and through the 'money supply', have that skill, that one good skill, converted surreptitiously to the dictates of the sociopathic high command. Be it doctors or auto mechnics...
Unless one can somehow declare freedom from their paycheck people automatically then, WORK FOR EVIL. Even as they think themselves--good. Aren't we all good??
CAPITALISM.
human beings are naturally comprehensive, not specialist...
nature AND nurture~
Exactly. It is only by violating both the terms of nature, AND, of nurture, that we have become so god-damned fucking dumb on this planet!!!!
r.b fuller has pointed out that specialization and specialized language is a strategy of power to prevent any challenge, particularly from intelligence, by keeping the comprehensive view and thus the possibility of effective action for itself...
"Unless one can somehow declare freedom from their paycheck people automatically then, WORK FOR EVIL."
Good point, ned.
So, the question is: How do we declare freedom from our paychecks? Is it possible? Can we pare down our way of life enough so that we don't need a paycheck (some people have done this)? Can we pare down enough to leave our current corporate job and get a job in a more benign setting?
What if we were to all (or many of us) do this? What would happen to the corporations with sociopathic CEOs? What would happen to this whole sociopathic system if we were to pare down our lifestyles and consumption?
What is the real issue here? Who is in control? Who supplies the labor, the blood for the system? What is stopping us from doing what we should do?
If we understand this and do nothing to take back control, aren't we also sociopaths? Or maybe, mere psycopaths? Either way, it's a crazy system we're part of and we have a choice as to whether we want to be crazy players in it or take back our sanity.
http://www.yourmoneyoryourlife.org
Ted;
You ask: "How do we declare freedom from our paychecks? Is it possible?"
Short answer: NO. So long as we must subsist on the fruits of our labor (paychecks are a medium of exchange for that labor) we are bound to work & be productive.
Alternate question: Who controls the terms of our labor - and the paychecks that result?
Alternate answer: As an individual you are subject to the mercy and dictates of the employer who has complete control. But if all employees bind together, management is forced to reason and negotiate with the employees to achieve an equitable and mutually acceptable distribution of the proceeds of labor. It's called a union.
Union operations (like corporate management) can be ugly - but, in the long haul, it beats the hell out of slavery.
"Short answer: NO. So long as we must subsist on the fruits of our labor (paychecks are a medium of exchange for that labor) we are bound to work & be productive."
I think you conflate working with being productive. Much of what many people do is not productive work, IMO. And if you asked them in all honesty, I'll bet most people would agree. Productivity is a term that is completely subjective to the whims of the system that controls work. Who are we being productive for? To what ends?
Of course, I am at the mercy of the dictates of my employer, and I full well know this, as do most. That's just the way it is now, though, there are alternatives that may work, in an alternate reality (e.g. cooperative/mutual ownership, less time working, giving our time to things that matter). Pipe dream? Perhaps, but what dreams aren't pipe dreams as first?
I am in no way dissing unions - they've had, and continue to have, an important role in winning concessions for workers, across the spectrum. However, unions cannot change the power structure that is in place now - they are merely bargaining chips for the crumbs.
"Alternate question: Who controls the terms of our labor - and the paychecks that result? "
Ultimately, each individual in this society controls the terms of our labor because we provide the labor. Or, said differently: We provide our life energy, our one, single life's energy, getting our paychecks. I do, as does nearly everyone else in this society.
Let's drill down a little though (or, in Morphius' words, go down the rabbit hole). What is all that labor and all those paychecks producing? Who are they producing them for? Who gains the most from it? Who loses the most? And finally, what impact is all that labor and earning and spending having on our society and our planet?
I can't even begin to imagine how many words, how much time, or how much bandwidth has been spent by hundreds of people here on Common Dreams raging against the machine, yet what good does that do? Has it changed anything? At all? The machine doesn't care. Hell, the machine doesn't notice. It grinds on and it grinds us down in the process.
Now, ask yourself: Who is feeding this machine? Who oils its wheels? Who pushes its buttons? Who services its needs? And, more importantly: Who keeps this machine going strong?
We do.
Is there a way out? I think so. And it isn't just by joining a union. It's by realizing your part in it and altering your behavior accordingly. I have, and continue to. Not quickly, and not in a straight line, but I am doing what one person can do. If enough people remove themselves from the machine as much as possible, then the machine will slow down and we can demand changes - real, healthy change. If enough people don't, then we will see this journey to its final sordid destination.
Ted;
Good points! You've taken this to a deeper (& more legitimate) level than the capital/labor dynamic.
Your comment: "Is there a way out? I think so. And it isn't just by joining a union. It's by realizing your part in it and altering your behavior accordingly...If enough people don't, then we will see this journey to its final sordid destination."
A few people have.
For a remarkable example, look up "Hutterites".
They are a spiritually centered community that slipped the bonds of the "machine" over 400 years ago and have survived and prospered in North America for over 100 years. Their ethic is impeccable.
Good luck with your journey...
Snoop,
I know of the Hutterites, but not in depth. I guess, as with the Amish, they have cohesive, tight-knight communities based on faith and a strict way of life.
Maybe that's what is needed in the rest of our society. People do need to belong, and that doesn't change.
My point is that we can each do things to start to decouple from the system, yet over and over I come up against people who are looking to others for solutions. Maybe what I'm missing is the tribal piece, the sense of belonging, of community, that people need.
Interestingly, I am also involved in building community, so maybe I'm not seeing that most Americans do not feel like they are part of a larger community and need to before they take steps to change the way they live. Maybe, that's what's missing from my approach.
Food for thought. Thanks.
I know of no lasting community of people that is not bound by religion.
From the Amish and Mennonites to the Hutterites and their offshoot groups (e.g., the Bruderhof), monasteries and convents -- these groups have remained while no political or life style based group has been able to sustain itself over time.
Many people are appalled by excommunications, shunning and such; but the only way to guarantee the community's future is to have some kind of agreed upon codes.
Preventing erosion of the community by outside influences is of paramount importance. To let anything in, to allow anything to occur, is to cease being separate; and it is the separation from many that enables one to attach to the few in one's own group. It is not a group if it has no limits.
Many of us in urban areas live near people we do not know. Creating a sense of community in a neighborhood is a big enterprise. In the end, we all benefit from whatever we can do together, yet there remain countless people in every place who -- by virtue of different values, income, social class -- never include themselves in their neighborhood's offerings.
A religious community that takes care of its members from cradle to grave is a far different thing than our loosely knit groups who may eat together, garden together, and go our own ways at the end of the day, the end of a job, or the end of the mortgage.
'Try to be either poor enough so the bad use of money doesn't sway you, or be rich enough so the bad use of money doesn't sway you. In the first method, you are likely going to become a victim. In the second method, you are likely going to be a victimizer. But these are the two methods and the dangers associated with the two methods. All in all the first method is more spiritually sound because it generates more wisdom. That is if you can stand the level of personal suffering. But understanding does come of personal suffering, you become more intuitive rather than just rational. There is great value in the intuitve mode, though its effects are not always easily or casually observed and thus not fully comprehensible in ordinary human debates.'
"But understanding does come of personal suffering, you become more intuitive rather than just rational."
Suffering is not the parent of understanding, nor does it generate intuiton. Occasionally, a person who suffers uses the experience to develop capacities that might have gone undeveloped. Occasionally.
It is a nice fantasy. If it were true, we would long before now have been liberated by the accrued uderstanding and intuition of the millions of people who have suffered around the globe and through the ages.
A problem in disempowering the sociopathy is this: people who are brutal are good at it. We become good at what we practice regularly. Sociopaths practice their behavior all day, every day, and have done all their lives. The rest of us have not spent more than a few hours trying to manage such people. We are not good at it, we don't know how to do it, and we fail.
People who understand, are quite good at what they do. Better even, than the sociopaths.
ned,
Please don't fall into the either/or trap. Not being rich does not mean being poor. There is a middle ground called "enough" where we can live a very decent, comfortable, and fulfilling life. Quite a few have done it, and I am working toward it.
Suffering. Interesting. What does suffering mean? What does it imply? And, what are we doing now? What are many doing now? Have we been lulled into believing that we are not suffering? Maybe our bodies are fat and happy, but what about what's inside?
Let's be careful about the trap that this system sets.
You've got a lot of questions on your mind there today, friend. :)
Yeah, seems like that's all I have that counts nowadays.
Ted, I like you.
I'm working on it, we're working on it. One of the main things is to see through 'superficiality', to observe the mere postures. This is how you learn to understand what 'actual' (REAL) good actually is. Don't work too much for agreement, because that is only superficial a lot of times and cowards do this, constantly. Instead, work for UNDERSTANDING. Which would then be a deep authentic form of 'agreement'. Try not to be fooled.
Join the lions, our pack of wolves. I know you are.
thanks,
nedlud
We're going to hell for this~
(If we're not there already.) The ONLY way we're ever going to be really good is if we overthrow this system, this sociopathic ideology that is in place.
That's going to take lots of lions with ROAR, not a bunch of dumbass sheep however good they are at making wool....