Break the Banks, for the Good of the People
Bailing out the big US banks has done nothing to improve them
The old system worked well for the banks so why should they embrace change? Indeed, the efforts to rescue them devoted such little thought to the kind of post-crisis financial system we want, that we will end up with a banking system that is less competitive, with the large banks that were "too big to fail" even larger.
It has long been recognised that the US banks that are too big to fail are also too big to be managed. That is one reason the performance of several has been so dismal. When they fail, the Government engineers a financial restructuring and provides deposit insurance, gaining a stake in their future. Officials know that if they wait too long, zombie or near-zombie banks - which have little or no net worth, but are treated as if they were viable institutions - are likely to "gamble on resurrection". If they take big bets and win, they walk away with the proceeds, if they fail, the Government picks up the tab.
This is not just theory; it is a lesson learned, at great expense, during the savings and loan crisis of the 1980s. In a financial restructuring, shareholders typically get wiped out, and bondholders become the new shareholders. Sometimes, the government must provide additional funds, or a new investor must be willing to take over the failed bank.
The Obama Administration has, however, introduced a new concept: "too big to be financially restructured". The Administration argues that all hell would break loose if we tried to play by the usual rules. Markets would panic. So, not only can't we touch the bondholders, we can't even touch the shareholders - even if most of the shares' existing value merely reflects a bet on a government bail-out.
This judgement is wrong. The Obama Administration has succumbed to political pressure and scare-mongering by the big banks and, as a result, has confused bailing out the bankers and their shareholders with bailing out the banks.
The Obama strategy's current and future costs are very high - and so far, it has not achieved its limited objective of restarting lending. The taxpayer has had to pony up billions, and has provided billions more in guarantees - bills that are likely to come due in the future.
Rewriting the rules of the market economy - in a way that has benefited those that have caused so much pain to the entire global economy - is worse than financially costly. Most Americans view it as grossly unjust, especially after they saw the banks divert the billions intended to enable them to revive lending, to payments of outsized bonuses and dividends.
This ersatz capitalism, where losses are socialised and profits privatised, is doomed to failure. Incentives are distorted. There is no market discipline. The too-big-to-be-restructured banks know that they can gamble with impunity - and, with the Federal Reserve making funds available at near-zero interest rates, there is ample money to do so.
Some have called this "socialism with American characteristics". But socialism is concerned about ordinary individuals. By contrast, the US has provided little help for the millions of its people who are losing their homes. Workers who lose their jobs receive only 39 weeks of limited unemployment benefits, and are then left on their own. And, when they lose their jobs, most also lose their health insurance.
America has expanded its corporate safety net in unprecedented ways, from commercial banks to investment banks, then to insurance, and now to cars, with no end in sight. In truth, this is not socialism, but an extension of long-standing corporate welfarism. The rich and powerful turn to the Government to help them whenever they can, while needy individuals get little social protection.
We need to break up the too-big-to-fail banks; there is no evidence that these behemoths deliver societal benefits that are commensurate with the costs they have imposed.
This raises another problem with America's too-big-to-fail, too-big-to-be-restructured banks: they are too politically powerful. Their lobbying efforts worked well, first to deregulate, and then to have taxpayers pay for the clean-up. Their hope is that it will work again to keep them free to do as they please, regardless of the risks for taxpayers and the economy. We cannot afford to let that happen.
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Show AllHasn't it always been this way? The rich getting rich off of the backs of others? No shame, no conscience, no nothing. Parasites of society.
I suggest September 23 for the date the party will be over. All over.
Cicero: "Freedom is participation in power."
Joseph Stiglitz and William Grieder are excellent at assessing the problem--and seldom to be seen on broadcast media while the far Right's neverending assault on blacks who took out ARMs they couldn't afford, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, ACORN and labor unions frames the "mainstream" networks' prefabricated debate. But neither one of these worthy gentlemen proposes any solution that is substantive and timely. I'm convinced more than ever that the time is overdue for American progressives to convene a national summit of leaders of progressive organizations for the purposes of creating a big tent, umbrella progressive party to unite us all in numbers and resources suitable to the scale of the problems we now confront. We, as thinking progressives, have no more time to waste. The economy is poised to roll over into an even deeper abyss; there is no discussion by Democrats or Republicans of building a long lasting middle-class green energy/industrial manufacturing job base on a scale or time-frame that is up to the task, and the global biosphere is struggling under the unsustainable appetites of gluttonous First Worlders and teeming Third Worlders together exceeding some 6.3 billion in number.
I've posted this opinion elsewhere on this site and am still in the process of accumulating addresses of progressive organizations to contact by both email and regular mail. I'm also in the process of creating a blog to post the responses that I and other progressives receive from their attempts to write these organizations regarding the idea of a national progressive leadership summit for the purpose of creating a united progressive party, naming it, creating a platform of concise planks and determining which organizations will be inside this Party and which will support its issues from the outside, media policy, etc.
I will try to post updates on a regular basis on CD as part of responses to the frequent articles by Paul Krugman, Dean Baker, Joseph Stiglitz, William Grieder and others about the economy.
I urge all concerned progressives to compile their own list of progressive organizations, write their leadership and express your disgust at the betrayals of the Democratic Party in general, Obama in particular, and the need for a leadership summit to create an umbrella progressive party to unite in our struggle before it is too late to avoid what may rapidly become a horribly irretrievable future. Thank you for any steps you take with me to help organize.
Just move all your accounts to small, local banks or credit unions.
aussiedawg 3:47 p.m.;
I'm in much the same position as you. Consider moving to Wheeling,WVa.-the hometown I've just returned to.The city has lost half it's population in last 30 years because jobs dissappeared-however basic services including 2 hospitals remain and arguably the finest[free] city park.Also,abundant senior housing exists.I'm paying $389,plus utilities which should average about $140 a month.It's a roomy 1 bedroom in a very nice neighborhood,though it does need some minor repairs.Wheeling remains a friendly city-4 out of 5 people will return a greeting to you on the street.Come join us,we need to stabilize our population and add a few more to return to better times.Oh,I should have specified I'm in a non-subsidized apt.I understand there's a 6 to 8 month waiting list for subsidized units-most of which are quite nice.
And if you like country music[not my favorite genre],you'd be in Heaven here.
In any case good luck to all in similar situations,as you probably know Obysmal as Mordechai dubbed him wants Social Security COLAS frozen for 2 years-or is it already law? I fear hyperinflation so much that I try not to dwell on what the pols of both parties are prepared to do the elderly and disabled.
The Creature from Jekyll Island must die.
The effery starts here=with the US government having to borrow, for a fee, dollars if they are needed, from the Federal Reserve, which is nothing more than the dozen largest banks working together, Chase, BofA etc.
WHAT A SCAM! Why the eff should the government pay private baks interest to "borrow" money if it needs some? Scam!
Then the scam is passed down to businesses and people via usurious loans, predatory lending and bundled derivatives!
The hell w/ all banks, brokerages and papershuffling thieves
The hell w/ all insurance and pharmacuetical corporations
The hell w/ all lobbyists, MSM-FCM mind control workers.
God, please come sort this out, call in some air-strikes, you know where to hit.
"Say hello to the new boss , same as old boss."
"We cannot afford to let that happen."
How do you, J Stiglitz, propose to stop it?
Don't buy nuttin' from national corporations, it just encourages the crooks and worsens the lives of working people. If you can't do that then you deserve whats commin' to ya.
Former World Bank President and Nobel laureate in economics, Joseph Stiglitz, could not be more 'spot on'.
The only change I would make to his recommendation of "Breaking the Banks" would be to not call it 'nationalizing', but rather "democratizing" the banking industry.
Stiglitz is precisely correct when he states in this article that, "The Obama Administration has succumbed to political pressure and scare-mongering by the big banks and, as a result, has confused bailing out the bankers and their shareholders with bailing out the banks."
The 'bankers' who are involved, and more than involved --- actually caused --- this disaster, by creating the world's largest Ponzi scheme with negative externalization of costs (risks) on society to make their own faux profits out of thin air, are playing 'chicken' (or brinksmanship) with the American, and indeed, world economy.
Up to this point, Obama has 'chickened-out' when the specter of a massive crash has been threatened by the banksters, but Stiglitz is exactly right, when he recommends that Obama call their bluff, and take the car out of their crazy, drunk-with-power, teenager hands. These bankers are not serious bankers --- but hyped-up, money crazed, addicts, who need to be ripped away from the wheel and thrown in jail.
In addition to Stiglitz, Obama could take advice from Dylan Ratigan (late of CNBC) who was the only 'money show' pundit to call a spade a spade, and recommend blunt-force "CLAW-BACK" to the Obama administration immediately after Obama's election in November 2008. If Ratigan's advice had been taken by Obama (and Austan Goolsbee) those SIX MONTHS AGO, we, the American people, would be in far better shape today than we are now with Obama having caved to these crooks to the tune of over 10 Trillion!!!
Here's a video of Dylan Ratigan's excoriation of Obama's, senior economic advisor, Austan Goolsbee in Nov. '08 --- the fireworks begin about 1/3 into the video:
Dylan's interview of (tutorial to) Austan Goolsbee on MSNBC shortly after Obama's election (11/24) is a classic of progressive, hard-hitting TV that ranks with Edward R. Morrow taking on Joe McCarthy in my humble opinion:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27888374#27888374
In general, Obama's weak and gutless tendency to collapse like a cheap suitcase, and to wallow in the rhetoric of "looking forward, instead of backward to blame someone" has cost this country a fortune in terms of not prosecuting this massive looting scheme of the 'banksters', private equity pirates, and hedge fund whores who are domestically raping our country's 'commonwealth', and also costing us (the U.S.) our stature in the world when Obama applies this same cowing illogic ("look forward and not back") to Bush's rapacious policies of torture and launching aggressive wars.
Basically, Obama is failing both to assert a strong, principled, and essential course on both domestic economic, and foreign war polices. He's absolute 'putty in the hands' of the ruling-elite 'corporate financial Empire' that controls our country behind the facade of its two-party, 'Vichy' sham of democracy --- which is probably why he was acceptable to the Empire, as its next puppet president.
Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine
oh, and stiglitz, while on the subject of banking, how about some material on the hundred billion u.s. dollars worth of bailout money headed to european banks?
GREAT point, NEVER mentioned in the MSM.
Yes it is, I saw Fox Biz whine about it several times. Well..then again, is Fox considered MSM?
The alternative to Obama was disaster cut and dried... he's the best we had and he's far from perfect but I KNOW that we would have sunk into the abyss with McCain and Palin -- two fairly low IQ folks who were among the biggest losers and liars we have ever seen...
I was against the bailout and don't forget who engineered that huge rip-off, and with no accountability...
Obama is trying and he has taken on the hugest mess ever created ... ever... the Repubs will continue to smear him as that is without doubt their biggest strong point, along with their radio and tv mouthpieces who are among the biggest lying mouths on our dying planet...
At least with McCain or Palin there wouldn't be the apologists and the excuse-makers advocating that we wait and give them more time even if their policy was identical to Obama's. Right?
Just imagine McCain/Palin got elected and a year later McCain is dead from cancer. We did dodge that bullet, but, although I did not expect much from Obama, he is far worse than I'd hoped. I didn't vote for him or McCain.
We are now entering the "zero cost" zone where banks and other industries can sell anything at "zero cost" financing.
The bank lends GMAC the money (now a bank) and they can lend it out at zero cost to people buying GM crap. Ford must use restructuring money to sell their crap at zero cost.
Toyoya, Honda and Hyundai now have to get zero cost money from their governments to compete. The US has effectively put a tariff on companies and countries that do no offer zero cost financing.
Boeing wants to sell more air-planes...no problem ..zero cost money from the government. Now Europe has to follow suit with zero cost financing for AirBusses.
Refrigerators, stoves, washing machines - plenty of zero cost money to compete.
We have entered a new era where all businesses are gvt subsidized. Too big to fail is extended down the food chain.
The oil industry has had tons of subsidies through their drilling tax credits. I'm sure they will get their share of the alternative energy money being allocated by the Treasury
Socialism is an evolved form of capitalism
Fascism is an evolved form of corporate welfare.
Which way are we headed?
okay, common dreams, let's try it again.
mr. stiglitz, you are correct when you state that this is not socialism. you are wrong, however, when you call it corporate welfarism. it is fascism. so while we are busy discussing the interconnectedness of life, i'll repeat an earlier post from today's we-made-a-mistake-killing-innocent-people-through-the-misguided-and-ill-informed-use-of-our-well-intentioned-but-misplaced-bombing-campaign, thanks to america's newest and greatest military hero, mccrystal, officer, sir:
and barackstar promised change we can believe in.
while back in '04, regarding what the american empire's actions were and are and will be, michael ruppert wrote, in his intro to crossing the rubicon:
- apportion dwindling resources among competitors, some of whom possess nuclear weapons;
- maintain and expand their control over enough of the oil and gas remaining to ensure their global dominance and maintain order among the citizens of the empire;
- simultaneously manage a global economic system, made possible by hydrocarbon energy, that is collapsing and in which the growing population is demanding more things that can only be supplied by using still more hydrocarbon energy;
- acknowledge that they cannot save their own economy without selling more of these products;
- control the exploding demand for oil and gas through engineered recessions and wars that break national economies;
- hide the evidence that they are systematically looting the wealth of all the people on the planet - even their own people - in order to maintain control;
- maintain a secret revenue stream to provide enough off-the-books capital for the purposes of providing themselves a distinct economic and military advantage, improving their technological posture, and funding covert operations;
- repress any dissent and head off any exposure of their actions;
- convince the population that they are honorable;
- kill off enough of the world's population so that they can maintain control after oil supplies have dwindled to the point of energy starvation.
if anyone out there still thinks this whole sorry goddamn sordid affair hasn't been orchestrated, including 9/11, then you've really got your heads up your asses and are in deeper shit than your wildest imagination could ever imagine.
read the book.
and common dreams, if this post is worthy of banning, again, then you've got some serious issues to deal with.
And "if anyone out there still thinks this whole sorry goddamn sordid affair hasn't been orchestrated, including 9/11, then..."
...then read “Collateral Damage” by E. P Heidner, part I and II.
>>> www.scribd.com/people/documents/2169400-ep-heidner <<<
Welcome to a nightmare BEYOND BELIEF.
I could be wrong but Joe seems to be singing a completely different song than he was six months ago when the bank bailout, however regretable-was at the top of his agenda: a necesary step on the road to recovery. What tune is Krugman singing now?
Here's the real trouble: the way the banks actually operate they are immune to loss. They get their money upfront whether any particular enterprise turns out to be successful or not just like the huge corporations who write up the initial contracts. If a project- like Times Square redevelopment- fails, its the public and the stockholders who take take the bath, along with the myriad of small businesses property owners who were crushed and driven out.
So really, "bailing-out" the banks was never necessary at all. They don't want to "fill holes" in their balance sheets- there arn't any. What they need is some extra cash now unavailable from bankrupt investors and busted homeowners to continue with their riskless, profit making schemes.
The President, Geitner et al expect that once this "boost" of public money is injected- business will pick up, stocks will regain their value and the "spirits" of investors will be revived.
The only trouble in this scenario would be REGULATIONS! Regulations which would prevent banks from engaging in their riskless mega-mis-adventures that can proceed without regard to social and environmental costs, not to mention the devestating effect they have on small busines and real innovation.
But, of course, the government simply doesn't have or can't print enough money to bring this plan to fruition. We'd have to give up the wars, forget health care reform, build concentration camps instead of prisons, let the national parks go to hell, import millions of low wage workers and do nothing about global warming. Not even do the minimal regulations that the FDA, OSHA, CDC, IRS etc etc do now.
The MONSTER is falling on account of its OWN WEIGHT!
Better build up the trust of investors by building their confidence that the government not only CAN but actually WILL try to do something for the good of ordinary Americans instead of just their FEUDAL OVERLORDS in Finance, Insurance and Real Estate!
All this shouldn't have been such a mystery in the first place. I'm ashamed for Joe and Paul. Without question their Nobel "prizes" went completely to their heads- thinking, of course, that "THE GIANTS" of American business give two figs for peace or social responsibility anyhow.
Welcome back to the real world, Joe. Thanks for stopping by again!
From what I read Stiglitz, Krugman and Baker have been consistent and in agreement-nationalize, wipe-out the investors, regulate and sell back to the private sector. Even Kucinich was against their plan- although he was suggesting nationalizing the fed, he seems to have back-tracked.
I don't see why banks should be private at all.
yes linda a big toothy gold capped smile. as the old bankers motto goes- he with the gold makes the rules. and in this case he who HAD the gold still makes the rules!
dr. wu walter and donald want to know what you want to do about it.
My advice to all is to curtail use of your credit card to the amount you can pay off monthly... I have to say my credit union is a really good one, but if everyone goes here (to keep their money safe as one person has indicated is one of the reasons to put your money in one of these huge banks)... if everyone goes to the credit unions, soon they will be too large to fail (or manage.)
Mega is never a positive ... look at mega WalMart , mega Starbucks, mega Amazon, mega WholeFoods, mega banks, etc... all working tirelessly to keep wages low and put the little entrepreneurs out of business...
So ... quit shopping at the megas... quit shopping at the international conglomerates... and quit banking there, too.
Stop trying to save a dime or two for some junk at WalMart... honor and support our little shops who offer a smile and a thank you ... (sometimes!).
Shop at the farmer's markets... shop at the flea markets... recycle... check out the Salvation Army or the Goodwill... take a break from the megas for a while, anyway, and see how life goes...
Why can't we start credit unions?
WE pool OUR money for loan, independent of the OTHER financial system!
WE should also come up with our own currency too!
BennieW,
Do you understand how credit unions work?
let's see... they get money from their customers... don't sell their loans... don't make bad loans... what dire secrets have I missed?
I've belonged to this one since the seventies and have had house loans, car loans, equity line, and they pay more interest than any bank without tying up the funds... so so far for thirty years they've done me no wrong, and I haven't heard of any misdeeds...
am I in danger?
I closed my WM account before they were taken over... glad I didn't own stock in WM... the shareholders were taken to the cleaners... closed my E Trade account... being concerned with their doings... so far my credit card issuers haven't played any tricks, tho I never carry a balance ... when I bought my newish car at the dealer, I was referred to as the "Credit King," which is how they still address me down there...
I'm just a little guy who has suffered the stock market losses we all have... and I keep the outgo down... even make my own wine...
BennieW,
It is awesome that you have belonged to a credit union for 30 yrs. I have belonged to one for 20 yrs. and I love it. I was just a little perplexed about your comment that credit unions would become too big to fail. I am not sure about that statement. That is why I asked.
Peace,
Gracchus
anything that grows very big is hard to manage... you may remem ber that the general mantra is that "the banks are too big to fail..." hence the comparison... if many people wake up and leave the banks and head to the credit unions... well, I hope the management can handle it...
The one I belong to is restricted to community, state employment and union membership--which limits eligibility to join.
Sioux Rose
BENNIE: Good advice if you can follow it! In my case, every time I begin to get my (3) credit cards down, something inevitably comes up. Like I broke a tooth a month ago which is going to turn into THOUSANDS in dental fees; and I rent a unit and it has a gas leak today. The problem with debt is that by the time you get enbroiled in it, unless you win the Lotto or get a big job promotion, it's incredibly difficult to get out of. When I have a balance over $2000 I take advantage of one of those zero percent initial interest rate cards and try to pay down the bulk to under $800 so when interest kicks in, it's not bad. It's particularly mortifying to learn that people WITH medical insurance end up bankrupt, that their specific conditions are either not covered, or only covered by a percentage of cost to preserve the true 'god' of America, profit, with every other thing sacrificed at its altar.
Rose, have a look at the first hour of 'Zeitgeist Addendum'.
It provides a very good insight into the monetary system, how, why and by whom it was created and why "The problem with debt is that by the time you get embroiled in it... it's incredibly difficult to get out of."
Broke a tooth. So that probably means an extraction ($340), a root canal and grinding down of the teeth either side of the extration ($1800), and a glued in three-unit bridge ($1800). At least thats the kind of dental work I'm going through now, so I can relate. I had set aside $4000 to get this work done (my "dental insurance" pays less than peanuts) but its not even going to scratch the surface, and I need a lot more work done that that described. I may not have it all done. I am NOT going to BORROW, damn it. I'm just NOT!!
You cannot do a root canal on a tooth that has been extracted.... pull it, make a bridge, and it shouldn't reach that amount, no grinding down necessary... if you want to spend real bucks try an implant... but really not necessary...
Try your local dental college...
sorry to hear about your tooth... sounds like a lot of money you will be paying out... don't know where you live but Delta Dental in California provides a very low cost insurance plan... also Costco... under 150 per year.
My experience with the medical profession has not been good and money I have paid in over the years has never been recouped... but that's the nature of insurance... and one has to hope the big C or the big H don't act up -- but I follow a very sane diet with a large amount of dark green leaves and very very minimal processed food tho I do fall off the wagon and indulge in crackers and cracker jack-- every other week or so. I take no vitamins, or supplements and I am pretty old now so my diet must be working... diet in so far as elimation of processed foods.
Of late I have a severe lower back muscle problem -- Kaiser could do nothing other than painkillers (which I cannot take) and ice. I did hire a massage therapist who has worked out the muscle tightness (piriformus and iliotibia, etc).
I believe that the term for this would NOT be "corporate welfarism" but FASCISM. But being done with such a nice smile.
Compassionate Fascism?
linda, don't let that current smile fool you.
Sooner or later they always roll out the tow-trucks with wire-rope nooses.
As Hannah Arendt presciently said of the NAZI EMPIRE, "Empire abroad (always) entails tyranny at home".
Alan MacDonald
He needs to redo his article. The administration has wiped out shareholders and bondholders...for Chrysler and GM. But not for the banks.
JS has no idea what he's talking about.
According to Krugman yesterday, "The U.S. economy probably will emerge from the recession by September..."
See? All fixed, all good, don't worry, be happy, and please keep buying as much crap as possible that you don't need.
One more thing: "...limited objective of restarting lending. The taxpayer has had to pony up billions..."
Why does no one get that? WE ponied billions so the banks could restart lending OUR money back to US!
Our gov forces me to give BoA $100; they lend that $100 back to me at 30%; I pay them back $130; they return my original $100 (theoretically) - I'm still out $30, which they call "profit," which they wouldn't have made off of me unless I gave them money to loan in the first place. And - if I fail to repay BoA, the government forces me to give them another $100 to cover the "insured" losses, meaning that I'm covering my own failure to repay, in spite of the fact that I obviously don't have any money or I would have repaid in the first place.
Yes, let's keep this system healthy!
"I'm still out $30, which they call "profit," which they wouldn't have made off of me unless I gave them money to loan in the first place."
And, you would not have had to borrow $100 if the government had not forced you to give it up to the banks. And if the banks had been properly regulated, by not having repealed Glass-Steagall for one thing, but were not because of their campaign donations to organized crime (Senate, House, President) there would have been no reason to force you to give $100 to the banks.
It is major fraud, major organized but "legal" crime, and it stinks to high heaven.
They keep claiming they have to do all this pep squad cheerleading about prosperity right around the corner in order to restore "confidence". It would make sense that tough regulation might do much more to restore security than all this happy talk--why would anyone want to continue to play a market already proven to be a house of cards? Maybe because what they really mean is they have to restore the "confidence" game.
Where did you spot that Krugman quote from yesterday? I couldn't find it. I did find him sounding pessimistic though.
I read it too, he was speaking at some conference in London. Seems I read he also was recently invited to lunch with Obama. Wonder if that was when they gave him one of those lobotomies?
There is a Paul Krugman blog, although I didn't go there to check the quote.
http : // krugman . blogs . nytimes . com /
deleted the spaces of course -- not sure if CD allows posting of links.
Yes, I had checked that. Nothing there.
Here in the land of Liberty, if you refuse to pay the Federal Income Tax, which we all know feeds the military empire and, as you note, bails out the oligarchy, you will be arrested, your home and possessions confiscated, you will be fined and imprisoned, AND, if you try to defend your property from illegal seizure by your government, you will be shot on site.
Ah, the land of the free and home of the brave, just keep ponying up, they'll take care of the rest. I think it's called extortion.
If only the people who write here would run the country! I mean it. Our 2 party system means one party of the rich with 2 branches-the cruel repubs and their weird enablers-the dems.
Sure, Obama is a tool of the Wall Street crowd and their Pentagon enforcers. Sure, money rules, not voters,sure, we need a revolution every generation as Jefferson said.
Stiglitz is basically very right, but he's being way too gentle & understated about it.
He writes, " The Obama Administration has succumbed to political pressure and scare-mongering by the big banks and, as a result, has confused bailing out the bankers and their shareholders with bailing out the banks."
- This is false. The Obama Administration didn't "succumb" to pressure from the banks; they came to office already fully in the pocket of the banks. No pressure was required. // And the admin is not "confused." They know precisely who they're helping -- it's 100% conscious & intentional.
Stiglitz knows this. As he writes in the last paragraph, the banks are "too politically powerful."
Another small error in the article is that Stiglitz calls this "ersatz capitalism." On the contrary, this is precisely how capitalism ALWAYS works. They don't teach this idea in Econ 101, but the financier-speculator class ALWAYS rises to the summit of power, in a capitalist system. It's just kidding yourself to think that capitalism leads to meritocracy. It doesn't. It eventually leads to plutocracy, because the political power of money outweighs all considerations of virtue, merit, the well-being of the general population, & regulatory restraint.
RichM, nice but maybe it should read "the CRIMINAL power of money outweighs all..."
“Collateral Damage” by E. P Heidner, part I and II.
>>> www.scribd.com/people/documents/2169400-ep-heidner <<<
A nightmare fit for a Pulitzer Prize.
Good points, perhaps ol Stiggy does not want to acknowledge Marx in this regard. After all, he still believes in capitalism in its essence. Although I agree with much of what he says here, he only takes us half the way in his analysis. Dr. Richard Wolf, David Harvey and Michael Hudson provide even more critical analysis.
HOW RIGHT you are! as SiouxRose says -- it should be etched in Gold forever.
where people can see it , reminded EVERY SINGLE DAY as the sun rises and goes down and all through every 24 hours of every single day.
Sioux Rose
RICH M: Your concluding statement should be etched into stone and placed prominently in front of all institutions of learning, with one gold plated edition hung over Wall St.
both dr stiglitz and william greider here on common dreams on the same day warning about these bank bailouts yet again
we all have the increasing feeling that this crisis is still off the tracks, so to speak
ben bernanke was on the hill the other day saying that - now the money is gone - what the government needs to do is cut back on social spending and supports
this means that single moms, persons with disabilities and seniors are going to bear the brunt of the debt along with us, the working class
what a scam
in short, ladies and germs, we have been had
we are finding out the hard way that the chump club has a few more members than we might have thought not so long ago
ma g, now they bring in Dr. Doom (Paul Volcker) to really lower the boom on average Americans (and other average world citizens) --- as he did in the late 1970's and early 1980's, when even the IMF still refers to it as the 'Volcker Shock'.
Alan MacDonald
"this means that single moms, persons with disabilities and seniors are going to bear the brunt of the debt along with us, the working class"
Ma g, I'm afraid you are right on this, and it scares me to death as I am disabled and barely surviving with the Social Security payments (which I contributed to for over 40 years.) In fact, without my wife's salary, I would be probably homeless as last I heard (and I wish I could cite the source) there are only one or two counties in the entire U.S. where one can rent a one bedroom apartment on the income recieved from Social Security Disability. Now, to add insult to injury, they are talking about taxing health insurance benefits, and cutting the amount of benefits paid for by Medicare and Medicaid? Why, when the healthcare crisis in this country is so devastating to those who they are planninng to tax or cut benefits, would they consider doing something to make matters even worse?
Wouldn't it be nice if we could get everybody that is either covered by Medicare/Medicaid, or faces getting their health benefits taxed (and I imagine that they already contribute to what insurance they have), along with ALL of those who are currently uninsured and the military veterans who are receiving inadequate coverage from the VA, explain to this entire group what benefits our Representatives and Senators have GIVEN themselve (yet paid for by us), then get everyone who is getting screwed march on Washington preferrably with pitchforks and torches, or locked and loaded equlaizers.
Folks, I would love to see our elected "representataives", well, represent us, we the people. But they aren't. They are representing the money changers, you know, those money grubbing bastards that believe they are owed these humongous salaries, healthcare benefits, astronomical bonuses, etc. The founding fathers had a solution to this problem, and that solution is to throw out the scoundrels, with force if necessary, and replace them with representative that will represent we the people. In addition, let the frigging institutions that are "too big to fsil." fail. That when the fallout from this hits Main Street American...tempers are gonna flare. That is what we need to happen in the first place, and this, IMHO, is the one and only thing that will encourage action immedeiately by slapping new regulations on the banking, finance, and securities industries (or mob...seems more fitting!)
One last point. Our election system, as so many readers have pointed out, needs to under go a major change, change from anything goes (meaning that those, such as corporations, millionaires/billionaire, etc. who have a much greater voice in our system than we the people, who are supposed to be running the show in the first place! The money changers (that includes the corps. and wealthy pigs, must be forced, meaning that they must be prohibited under penalty of a major felony punishable from not only a lengthy prison sentence, but stripping of their personal assets as money that they had obviously planned to partially use to influence candidates, by means of campiagn contributions, etc that they want over those that will benefit the population in general.ito public financing for all elected office, from dogcatcher to presnit and in between, judges, congressmen/women, heads of law enforcement agencies, I mean EVERY ELECTED POSITION period! Violation of this provision could punish violaters by not allowing them to ever run for public office again.
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ma g, you have a terrific tendency to hear the words of others slanted towards meanings of your choosing. Bernanke was quite necessarily speaking of the very important need to get the nation's fiscal house in order at some point in the future. Without these kinds of assurances every now and then, the dollar and interest rates could be negatively affected by panicky investors. Our legislators will have to decide, at some point in the future, whether to cut defense spending, nibble back social security, or, most importantly, deal with Medicare and health insurance in a meaningful way. Of course most Republicans would like to immediately slash spending on most entitlement programs and watch the economy wither, while the nation's poorest could do everyone a favor and drop dead. Let the market decide!Now that's rugged individualism (and Darwin at his best/worst?). "I hope Obama fails," titular head of radical Republicans drones on.
Greg R... Are you the Greg R who is a friend of Kelly S?
Doug
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Sioux Rose
MA G: According to Naomi Klein's tireless research, these dots were already drawn up like a roadmap and used on numerous nations before coming home to roost. A toxic leak AT the Chicago School would be a fitting karmic metaphor.
And one more Bank of A story. I was down to my final payment on one of those low interest credit cards, and owed $160. Opened the bill to see $39 late fee. Why? Because the May bill arrived on May 29 rather than May 27, the end of their "billing cycle." They have done this to me before... this time the rep worked with me to remove that fee when I said I was paying it off now. He tried to sell me on a new card and I listened to the whole LONG legal message about all the "do's" and "don'ts." When the sales rep put me through their credit check (keep in mind they were PUSHING this on me), he began to ask me, and I kid you not, where I spend my money each month, how much is left each month, then proceeded to tell me that based on my credit report (which he had before me), he didn't feel I could afford a credit card. I was waiting for him to ask how many times I flush the toilet each day. He wanted to even know the name of my family's stock broker! I mentioned I had never had questions like this asked of me before in obtaining credit, and had a high credit rating, etc. He said it was due to the times! I mentioned that thanks to taxpayers like me his bank had capital and he said "I'm sorry you feel that way," as if it was merely my political sensibilities being announced, as opposed to the TRUTH of the matter.
The way that Obama's "team" have handled this mirage (it reminds me so much of how Enron did "business") allows them to cherry pick all the good assets and leave the taxypayers holding the bag. These mega banks will end up with LOTS of good houses that they can later resell at a huge profit, and they used the taxpayers' money to buy these at pennies on the dollar. When the taxpayer needs a few thousand (in my case for dental work), the interrogation process (that's what it feels like) is ruthless, as are the terms, particularly when it's not enough to make a payment each month, but that payment must arrive within extremely strict time parameters... not too early and not too late THAT month, or one is charged late fees and all promotional rates go out of effect. Imagine when the Pony Express is late! The whole thing is insane and sickening. One of so many trespasses against decency that now are becoming automatic operating procedures.
"I'm sorry you feel that way."
Sioux Rose--When I, twenty years ago, announced to a viciously misogynistic, bullying husband that I was divorcing him for those reasons, that was his reply. Had I been capable of reconsidering my decision, that remark would have ended it right there. As you say, it transferred responsibility for his bad conduct onto my, by implication misguided, "feelings." I'm astonished it's still around.
SiouxRose -
And here's yet another Bank of America story, this time coming from someone who sought to avail themselves of all the consumer leverage and regulatory oversight tools I learned about in law school.
Once upon a time, BOA issued me a credit card with a $6,000 upper limit. As a prudent consumer, I never came anywhere close to that limit, much less exceeding it.
Out of the blue and abruptly, I was notified that my credit limit was being dropped to precisely the balance then due (about $2,200.00), effectively rendering the card in my wallet useless until reissued, creating simply a lump sum immediately due to renew and carry on, but henceforth with an upper credit limit now about a third of what was contracted for.
Silly goose me. I paid off the demanded balance, and took my meager business using plastic elsewhere - just let the old invisible hand of the marketplace do its thing, in terms of reforming the heartless banksters' business practices. My next monthly statement came, reflecting BOA had actually received $2.17 too much from me, due to some sort of calculation error on their part when I paid the card off.
I waited patiently for about six more months for my $2.17 refund check from BOA, receiving a regular monthly payment each and every month showing the bank still owed me the cost of coffee and a croissant at the cafe of my choice. Finally, I got sufficiently pissed off that I filed a formal complaint with the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, the federal entity which has regulatory oversight over national banks such as BOA, including their credit card policies.
Several weeks later, I received a letter from the powers-that-be at BOA assuring me this oversight was most regrettable, and their $2.17 check was in the mail. The correspondence then directed me to language supposedly incorporated into my credit card account which read (I shit thee not):
"We may suspend or close your account or otherwise terminate your right to use your account. We may do this at any time or for any reason. Your Obligations under this Agreement continue even after we have done this."
I did ultimately get my $2.17 check and celebrated with a latte. Several weeks later, the Comptroller of the Currency wrote me back. No, I was not entitled to tax a $39 per month late fee against Bank of America (although the comptroller did not squarely address my request for this particular mirror image remedy). I was politely informed that from the Comptroller of the Currency's standpoint, the matter was now closed because under the relevant federal statutes including Regulation Z:
"Your dispute involves provisions of your contract with the bank. We cannot intercede in a private party situation regarding the interpretation or enforcement of your contract."
In the further interest of consumer education, please note that paying off one's existing credit card balance in the fashion that I did - taking my future credit business elsewhere - is itself a choice that can be entered as a negative scoring factor into your credit history file. It sure seems to me there's a lot of leeway here for meaningful Congressional action regarding credit card practices, if the political will to do something actually existed.
Until then, I guess it's still best to just keep gazing up at the heavens for guidance, and carrying on.
Best always, Sioux.
Bill from Saginaw
pretty ridiculous on both sides... how silly...
Hmmm. I was about to pay off, this month, the final $937 I owe on my Visa card and close it out. Maybe I should leave it open and just not use it in an attempt to keep my current high credit rating?
Sioux Rose
Bill: Thanks for sharing your tale. I see it the same way with other gigantic corporations. I had been using a calling card to avoid paying for a long distance plan because years ago when I lived in Gainesville, A T & T (without my ever endorsing this) DECIDED to be my long distance company and started billing me! It took me MANY phone calls up and down the ranks of representatives to get the matter cleared up. A decade later since the phone card is now under the auspices of A T & T, when I call and purchase 400 minutes for about $17.00 the 400 minutes are NOT 400 in-state minutes. In fact, each call takes 5 units or is about 30 cents a minute! So I just decided to try a long distance (that includes in-state calls) plan, but I fully expect all kinds of unauthorized charges.
These companies cannot be taken at their word. I have been fortunate to have owned good health (diet & exercise help), although the dental thing is another matter; but I can only imagine how energy-consuming it must be to fight with a medical insurance company over their add-on charges. They all do this routinely now. They invent every reason they can to add charges that are equivalent to new forms of usury. By the way, I hope the coffee and croissant were REALLY tasty. When the interest rate was still around 4% I managed to extract several hundred from Bank of A on a C.D. That has been recently placed in a credit union, albeit at just over 2%. Makes you want to vomit when you see our "representatives" unable to tack even a 20% ceiling on credit card usurers. The land of the free, if you can PAY to play. If you have enough money, any and every law becomes a free for all... I HATE what's happened to this nation, and I grieve daily for this passage into darkness.
Only stupid and corrupt legislators would approve bailing out monopolies.
Right--this IS the US we are talking about....
they are pretty stupid in economics... etc.. what do you want ... their degrees are in law, not economics.
btw the worst place to put your money is in mutual funds... got to watch the manager which is just about as difficult as learning about a stock...
Hey, my degrees are in English and philosophy and I successfully operated my own accounting firm for 8 years.
You are either smart or you're not.
Those who are smart and act dumb are paid to do that.
Break the banks ? Keep dreaming. They're not the ones at fault. The fault lies with stupid consumers who can't sit down, shut up, and read a contract before signing it. I'm doing great as a customer of a big bank and I'm enjoying watching my stocks in a couple other banks grow. Obama and Bush are doing the right thing by bailing out the banks because without them, the people can't store their money safely. Banks beat the shit out of credit unions any day ! LOL !
And has your home value gone up as well ? Chances are you are making mortgage payments on an asset that has lost half its value.
And how's you 401(k) ? Chances are Wall Street has managed to cut that in half over the past 10 years.
And you better sell your bank stocks now before hyperinflation sets in. Sell tham for dollars you can keep in the bank (which will be worthless against the Chinese Yuan)
And given your limited understanding of the economy - perhaps yu should become a banker - joining others that have a limited understanding of the economy.
Bailing out bankers is like sending your children to play in traffic.
Why do you love inflation in home prices so much. I thought inflation was "bad". Oh, it's only bad when YOU are trying to buy something. Why shouldn't your old used house go down in value? Get real...
Sioux Rose
ENCINO: Is that you Nebraska Nathan or do you just both sound alike? Genetic mutation?
Encino is a carry over from Alternet. Same ol Encino, same ol posts.
Oh boy, I've had plenty of tough debates with that troll on Alternet. He can be pretty tough to reason with given his stubborn thinking. He hasn't changed over the years. I was surprised though to see him voting for Obama despite his staunch Republican talking points all along but now that it's clear that Obama's as good as a Republican, I can't be too surprised. And he claimed that he doesn't post on CD even when I brought up his trolling behavior there. EncinoM is generally in favor of status quo and often argues against changing it since he thinks it leads to "anarchy". He has made plenty of enemies there as well as here.
"without them, the people can't store their money safely." Wow, someone is punch-drunk off the kool aid! Are you a paid schill for the big banks? LOL!!
EncinoM trolls here often.
No, it is a lil poopy soiled baby trolly. Isn't his fat lil backside cute, despite the soiled lacy panties, as he scuries away on lil piggy hooves?
Given that Joe Stiglitz is a prominent, Nobel laureate economist on the faculty of Columbia with several books to his credit, is it just coincidence that this particular commentary, candidly critical of both the US banking industry and the Obama administration, appears to be enjoying its initial publishing debut in an Australian newspaper?
Bill from Saginaw
"is it just coincidence that this particular commentary, candidly critical of both the US banking industry and the Obama administration,..... (Bill)
LOL..Yes indeed Bill....Just a coincidence......
The US newspapers contrive all kinds of reasons they are losing business.
They fail to mention the primary reason: Who wants to pay to read corporate propaganda ?
You need to read foreign newspapers to get news that is not corporate-sanctioned.
If you want a clear presentation of just exactly what happened to bring about our present economic crisis and exactly where we're heading (VERY IMPORTANT!), check out this video made by "A New Way Forward." You won't hear this on the news!
I've put a copy of it online on my own domain. It has several parts to it and lasts for about a half hour. It's WELL WORTH WATCHING! From this website, if you care to, you can embed it on your own website by clicking the "embed link" or e-mail it by clicking on the "e-mail" link on the bottom panel. Let's all help to get this important piece out to as many people as possible.
Here's where you can view it:
http://www.fritzva.com/sherrick/Banks.htm
Thanks!
Thank you, FrankS--finally, an explanation that anyone can understand. And you're right, it is important to get it out there.
I will stand by my recommended solution again:
People need to take their money from checking, saving, IRA, 401k and other accounts and put them in local "mom and pop" banks or credit unions. Let these mega-banks collapse. It will roil the economy, but it also is the appropriate corrective action needed to make these mega-banks pay for all of the fraud, corruption, and theft they have committed on their clients over the past several decades. It is one weapon the public has to take down the bankster empire.
Too moderate a sound, not any fury. Signifying nothing. Mr. Stiglitz, it is apparent to many of us this is exactly shaking out the way THEY designed it to. I'm not willing to carry the pickforks and torches without the critical mass shoulder to shoulder YET... I think voices like yours murmuring are lulling the masses, "see it's just a difference of approach" instead of calling the criminal acts the criminal acts and demanding accountability and utilizing peoples' natural outrage about what has been perpetrated on them.
Break the Banks, for the Good of the People
Or, Break The People For The Good Of The Banks, which is more likely.
Obama is doing exactly what his corporate masters hired him to do. He's Trojan Horsing in all the most extreme right-wing pro-corporate policies with a flair Bush, McCain or any other of the troglodyte right-wingers don't possess and could never accomplish.
And because he looks like a nice guy and his words are like a beautiful harp he will DO IT WITH EASE.
In this bank robbery Summers and Geithner drew up the plan. Obama is carrying the pistol. The media is waiting in the lobby providing cover. And Goldman Sachs is driving the getaway car.
And those who voted for him walk past the bank blissfully ignorant to the crime in progress.
oh, baloney
Bravo!
For anyone who wants proof of the "trojan horsing" of Obama, read the book by Paul Street about Obama: "Barack Obama and the Future of American Politics." Street makes the case in great detail that Obama is what you say he is.
Earthian, thanks for the advice on Street's book about the phony Obama.
Here's the latest critique on this important revelation in Z Net:
http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/21664
Alan MacDonald
Yes, a brilliant article:
"For the last century it has been the Democrats' special assignment to play "the role of shock absorber, trying to head off and co-opt restive [and potentially Left, P.S.] segments of the electorate" by posing as "the party of the people." The Democrats performed this critical system-preserving, change-maintaining function in relation to the agrarian populist insurgency of the 1890s, the working-class rebellion of the 1930s and 1940s, and the antiwar, civil rights, anti-poverty, ecology, and feminist movements during and since the 1960s and early 1970s (including the gay rights movement today). Besides preventing social movements from undertaking independent political activity to their left, the Democrats have been adept at killing social movements altogether."
The Dems are a sponge usurping voters' mandate. They are the wet fuse preventing ignition....for the time being.
Its worse than that ! Many of those who voted for Obama, especially those who swoon when he text messages them are still sending him money to support his NO WALL STREET BANKER LEFT BEHIND Program. Now he is enlisting their support for his NO INSURANCE COMPANY LEFT BEHIND and NO DRUG MAKER LEFT BEHIND programs that he is framing as "health care reform".