An Early Call for Obama's Resignation
With Democrats Like Him, Who Needs Dictators?
We expected broken promises. But the gap between the soaring expectations that accompanied Barack Obama's inauguration and his wretched performance is the broadest such chasm in recent historical memory. This guy makes Bill Clinton look like a paragon of integrity and follow-through.
From healthcare to torture to the economy to war, Obama has reneged on pledges real and implied. So timid and so owned is he that he trembles in fear of offending, of all things, the government of Turkey. Obama has officially reneged on his campaign promise to acknowledge the Armenian genocide. When a president doesn't have the 'nads to annoy the Turks, why does he bother to show up for work in the morning?
Obama is useless. Worse than that, he's dangerous. Which is why, if he has any patriotism left after the thousands of meetings he has sat through with corporate contributors, blood-sucking lobbyists and corrupt politicians, he ought to step down now--before he drags us further into the abyss.
I refer here to Obama's plan for "preventive detentions." If a cop or other government official thinks you might want to commit a crime someday, you could be held in "prolonged detention." Reports in U.S. state-controlled media imply that Obama's shocking new policy would only apply to Islamic terrorists (or, in this case, wannabe Islamic terrorists, and also kinda-sorta-maybe-thinking-about-terrorism dudes). As if that made it OK.
In practice, Obama wants to let government goons snatch you, me and anyone else they deem annoying off the street.Preventive detention is the classic defining characteristic of a military dictatorship. Because dictatorial regimes rely on fear rather than consensus, their priority is self-preservation rather than improving their people's lives. They worry obsessively over the one thing they can't control, what Orwell called "thoughtcrime"--contempt for rulers that might someday translate to direct action.
Locking up people who haven't done anything wrong is worse than un-American and a violent attack on the most basic principles of Western jurisprudence. It is contrary to the most essential notion of human decency. That anyone has ever been subjected to "preventive detention" is an outrage. That the President of the United States, a man who won an election because he promised to elevate our moral and political discourse, would even entertain such a revolting idea offends the idea of civilization itself.
Obama is cute. He is charming. But there is something rotten inside him. Unlike the Republicans who backed Bush, I won't follow a terrible leader just because I voted for him. Obama has revealed himself. He is a monster, and he should remove himself from power.
"Prolonged detention," reported The New York Times, would be inflicted upon "terrorism suspects who cannot be tried."
"Cannot be tried." Interesting choice of words.
Any "terrorism suspect" (can you be a suspect if you haven't been charged with a crime?) can be tried. Anyone can be tried for anything. At this writing, a Somali child is sitting in a prison in New York, charged with piracy in the Indian Ocean, where the U.S. has no jurisdiction. Anyone can be tried. Why is it, exactly, that some prisoners "cannot be tried"?
The Old Grey Lady explains why Obama wants this "entirely new chapter in American law" in a boring little sentence buried a couple past the jump and a couple of hundred words down page A16: "Yet another question is what to do with the most problematic group of Guantánamo detainees: those who pose a national security threat but cannot be prosecuted, either for lack of evidence or because evidence is tainted."
In democracies with functioning legal systems, it is assumed that people against whom there is a "lack of evidence" are innocent. They walk free. In countries where the rule of law prevails, in places blessedly free of fearful leaders whose only concern is staying in power, "tainted evidence" is no evidence at all. If you can't prove that a defendant committed a crime--an actual crime, not a thoughtcrime--in a fair trial, you release him and apologize to the judge and jury for wasting their time.
It is amazing and incredible, after eight years of Bush's lawless behavior, to have to still have to explain these things. For that reason alone, Obama should resign.
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256 Comments so far
Show AllCertainly all most know- or at least understand -Obama is not the real issue. This is far bigger than the puppet president.
Beyond a voting solution. Only democracy's can correct by voting. This would no longer be the US.
Jeevee
All this hate talk gets us nowhere. Does anybody still realize the ancient truth of all organized spirituality:
"GOD IS LOVE: LIVE IN LOVE."
A little short on details.
Joe
what else is new...did you really think the new puppet would be able to break his puppeteers shackles and think and do what any real human being would do. don't you all get it . they don't care about you..me...all of us....never have and never will. how much longer are you all going to take it in the back side. the only way to change this cystem is to reject it entirely. do you really think that paper in you wallet you call money is any different than the paper you use to wipe you backsides? its all a matter of your faith. Its paper...that it....PAPER.....a few rich Jekyll island cocksuckers who sold us on using their special backside wiping FED PAPER.....
war crimes prosecutions...not going to happen...
white collar prosecutions against banks...not going to happen
4th amendment violations prosecutions...not going to happen..
Sure seems like FASCISM TO ME
Sally said (May 28th 10:23 am):
"Obama has a very big job in front of him cleaning up the incredible wreck left by the previous administration. No one could expect him to fix it all in a mere few months. It's going to take time and patience to see actual results from all of this. If you have to blame anyone, blame the Bush/Cheney cabal for doing the damage that Obama was left to try his level best to clean up."
Oh, Sally-in-Wonderland, if YOU can see the Bush/Cheney "mess" (treason, attack on any remaining democracy, war crimes, that's all), and I can see it, and millions of others can and have, why was every effort by the People (remember them?) to get impeachment hearings going thwarted by Pelosi and most others in her party? Why did Obama during his campaign give cover to the Telecoms who got off scot-free after breaking Federal Law? Why did AT&T give him such a hugh nomination-night bash, from which all reporters were barred?
Hmm,... let's see, now has anyone ELSE gotten off scot-free for illegal and dangerous actions lately? ... how about the BANKS, AIG, the hedge-funds and so on. Oh, yeah, they didn't get off scot-free -- they were given rewards, and kept largely in charge of the "cleanup process".
Oh, and what about health insurance? Is having citizen-advocates for Single-Payer health insurance refused a seat at the table and hauled off to jail in handcuffs, a step in the right direction? I expected THIS from Bush-Cheney ... What expectations SHOULD I have at this point. Tell me.
Hell, we could have had Single-Payer in the CLINTON administration if shortly after his first victory he had invited all those people and groups who supported it (and HIM, btw) to Washington to show their support, instead of bowing and begging the insurance companies, as Obama once again does, lemme see ... 16 years later!. But ... ahhh ... too much fear built into the system for that, eh?
For how long have the People come last?
Shall we keep making excuses for those "better" people we occasionally elect, but who never seem to get us on inch closer to what we want? Face it -- THEIR role in this Oligarchic Ruling Game is to slow down the corporate takeover at times when folks get uppity and restless (uninformed but upset) to a less painful and obvious pace, but never a retreat or ... heaven forbid! ... change.
Sally, OF COURSE anyone trying to undo the untold damage to the nation by Bush-Cheney would have to be circumspect and handle things carefully. No doubt about it. But even to start, you would have to bring as much as possible into the light and aim to get the most egregious of the continuing Bush-Era crimes slowed or stopped, if not reversed. THAT would require PUBLIC SUPPORT -- meaning a serious attempt to explain to the people what is amiss.
Going full blast into Afghanistan, and intervening in Pakistan with (gasp!) robot-drone bombs (!??! Nuremberg, where are you?), and threatening preventive detention, while hanging onto the use of Bush's other abuses, is MOVING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
What happens if Obama gets replaced and the 'ol cabal moves back in, one way or the other? Don't you want those rules already denounced and removed? OK, so maybe you can't do it all at once, but ... START ... don't add to the abusive executive powers.
It took all of Hell's energy to get this nation to the low spot it is in: decades of outright censorship and threats to critical thinking (the continuing ripple effects of McCarthysim), a thoroughly controlled major media, with a thoroughly pacified public and work-force even as all our decent-paying jobs were exported to the benefit of a tiny powerful ruling class, a once-again overly powerful military now much of it in private hands, yet paid by us(!?!).
It is this lock-down on minds knowledge and history and perspectives and dreams and desires and expectation and ... hope that got us here with a nearly-total sham crowd of people occupying what we call our Congress, doing the daily bidding of the Unseen Ones who fund their multimillion dollar campaigns on OUR airwaves (where broadcasters pay NO rent, BTW) that got us here.
To get us out, we must START. Start to INFORM the people, to organize. Believing that Obama will eventually move us in the correct direction, even as in major ways he goes in the wrong way, is what makes you and others passive, sidelined and enabling. At this time we need all of those who actually claim to UNDERSTAND the damage done by Bush-Cheney Crimes to stand up and shout, organize, work and DEFEND, for once, our Constitution -- or there will not be one again.
When it hurts, it can help to scream.
Even if one doesn't agree with Rall's remedy (resignation now) you pretty much have to admit his diagnosis: dangerous.
I'm sorry, this just sounds like a Bushism. Impeach Obama! No Exit Strategy!
Obama has made me breathe with a sigh of relief on a good number of things, and made me deeply wince with some other things. i am clear that he is not Malcolm X or Karl Marx. I fear that many on the left would prefer to destroy the baby steps towards a less oppressive dream, and embrace the much more ridiculous dream of magically creating a war-free, socialist, egalitarian and anti-oppressive country RIGHT NOW by impeaching Obama.
Given the public sentiment and recognition of a predominant progressive majority, the dream of a war-fee, egalitarian, and anti-oppressive country is, in our time, more feasible than ever.
A rational leader can be significantly important in bringing about this change if he has the guts to do so. There can be no compromise with justice or egalitarianism. Unfortunately Obama suffers from the delusion that we can simply tweak the existing system, and compromise on fundamental principles, to make it more fair, but so far, it has gone downhill. He has bought into the idea that to fix the economy you have to fix the financial community and fatten them up again, so they will start releasing more funds into the system, so the system will eventually work. Nothing is further from the truth. Employment and real production continues to drop. And the value of stocks and other securities are utterly dependent on real production, which continues to fail. Basic economics: no products, no recovery.
Economic re-structuring is the key to the war free, egalitarian society.
I read a good blog post at The Nation about Obama's role as president...should we really expect the president to carry out the change we want and need? After all, he is nothing more than the executor of our national laws passed by Congress.
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/
thebeat/437971/the_first_great_
constitutional_debate_of_the_21st_century
If Obama refuses to pursue the agenda of the corporate masters of war he won't live to see his daughers grow up.
"If Obama refuses to pursue the agenda of the corporate masters of war he won't live to see his daughers grow up."
... yet we send thousands to die and kill millions ... for ... what?
If you step up to the plate and offer "hope" at a time of great crimes and abuses, those are the chances you must be willing to take -- or don't run. Also it helps to pick a team ready to back you up in the cleanup endeavor, not warmed-over enablers and players.
No. All the signs point to his being "picked", not so much by the people (who did rally 'round), as by those who felt he was inevitable, and could be made safe for the hidden agendas.
We been had agin.
Not to worry. It is God who promotes and God who demotes. If it is His will, it will happen. Nothing gets past Him.
Joe,
re: "People are more awake and getting angrier. Some, anyway."
Yeah, people are definitely getting angrier, check out "cinie's world's" comments on "ACORN" today:
http://cinie.wordpress.com/2009/05/30/obaganda/
Can't recall if commondreams has ever posted much about ACORN, anyone know?
I read at the link you gave, and I'm not sure what I was supposed to think. Was the author pointing out the use by others of the "seven common propaganda devices outlined by the institute" or her own mastery of them, especially the name calling?
No, but Fox Nation sure loves posting about it.
When polled a great majority of USans say they want public policies in their own better interests, but then they turn around and vote against their own better interests, and are rewarded with material opiates.
Now that I am done reading all the comments & posters I must say, I really appreciate listening to intelligent discussion for a change. Now that's the kind of "change" I can use!
Rainborowe,
I _did_ know that Obama would be a disaster for the country. Hence, my log-in name. Didn't even know who to vote for, it was such a sad & pathetic experience esp. coming on the heels of 8 years of Republican nightmare.
At least now there are others waking up to the sad facts of our country's fascist-oriented direction, so what do we do now?
Everyone best start reconciling themselves to another sad fact. The DNC pre-selected Obama & allowed him to, no, enabled & supported him - to narrowly steal the nomination from Clinton.
Why should you care? 'Cause it's called a Democracy, silly, and we don't have one anymore...
Don't vote for the Dems or Repugs, there are alternatives. And if people tell you that you are throwing your vote away or the Repugs will win if you vote for a third party or independent, my answer is that by voting for the DEMS or the REPUGS THEY ARE throwing their vote away because these bastards will say anything to get the votes while on the campaign, but once they are in office they will do whatever their corporate masters want. The choice between DEMS and REPUGS seems to be which business sector is going to be favored, not what is good for their constituents.
At least people showed an impulse toward voting in their own interest rather than swallowing Bushian policies as they had for so long. People were fooled, but I am encouraged by the recognition that something was very wrong. The hopes people had, the idea that something could change, should not be ignored. People are more awake and getting angrier. Some, anyway.
Joe
Calling for Obama's resignation would be a disaster! During his presidential campaign, Obama reveiled who he was. He was mostly ambiguous, but at times addressed semi-controversial issues and America went crazy for him. He is the person that we elected into office. I was and am a Kucinich supporter becuase he is bold and courageous, and I felt addressed exactly what was on my mind. To me, Obama is being pretty much as I expected. However, I would like to believe that President Obama has a vision for the future, but I am sure we are not going to see that vision unfold if we immediately discount his credibility and intentions. He has repeatedly asked for our patience, and stated that he has a mess to clean up and that it is going to take time. Should we expect things to remain a lot of the same for a while? Hell yes! Just because Obama is the president of the United States does not mean that he has the power to make people bend at his will. There are very powerful people in place that make his job extremely difficult, so we shouldn't just assume that accomplishing what Obama has promised is going to be a snap of the finger. There is a reason why Kucinich is not president and that is because he made his intentions very clear and that threatened a lot of people in a lot of high places. Just look at Martin Luther King and John F. Kennedy if you think Obama can just come in and make sweeping changes. I want to believe that he is doing what he has to do at this point to keep everyone at bay. President Obama has to be a step in the right direction; the whole point is to pressure him and become more pro-active, only then will we be ready as a collective to elect someone like Kucinich. Until then, we do not just boot Obama out of office! We will never have the "perfect president" but the last thing we do is give republicans one square foot to stand on. We have to recognize that Obama did not choose Clinton necessarily because she was his favorite pick, but because as a memebr of the senate she could have made things very difficult for him. As his secretary of state, he has created a sense of peace between them and is now doing the unthinkable, which is to get her to criticize Israel...even if it is a small, it is significant. We have an opportunity to insist more is done, we should not be advocating for his resignation. That is ignorant!
I concur with your dismal assessment of Obama. Double goes for Congress.
I think they have decided that progressives don't count. They saw Bush get away with murder and they believe they do the same.
They don't think we are important enough or powerful enough to stop them. So far they're right.
Too many of us are isolated in our own little kingdoms, politely bearvering away at whatever issue blows our skirts up.
What is needed is a mega-alliance of all the little interest groups to restore the basis of our government; the Constitution and the rule of law. Nothing is going to change until our president and congress are forced to operate within these boundaries.
We need to get organized and have an effective strategy. No one from the previous administration or this administration who has violated the law or the public trust should be able go anywhere without being hounded. We need to use every available resource from the courts to occupying the offices of those that betrayed the electorate. It's going to take all of us all the time.
It won't be pretty but letting this ride is worse.
Where was Ted Rall during the Dubya years? How long did it take him to ask Dubya to step down, if he did?
Ted Rall was in every single respect just as strong an opponent as myself from the beginning of the Bush swelling stink. He was unable to get anywhere but Yahoo.com news. Others were afraid to pick up his stories
His entire archives is available there on Yahoo as well as his current stuff. He has been a major inspiration in my work since we both saw what a threat Bush was in December of 2000 when Bush got the nod by buying the Supreme Court through James Baker to get him elected. I had a weekly then called The Thursday Report and mailed it to 800 in the congress and the media while Ted Rall had a column and kept struggling to get it from being censored. I discontinued my weekly after death threats made to my family by a crazed Jew and constant surveillance and internet attacks carried on by the NSA because of my attempts to influence congress through my weekly mailings to all the members.
Check out our archives and you will see that even though we don't get media coverage, the two of us, along with William Rivers Pitt who had a website on the increasing Bush crimes and later went on to edit Truthout, were leading the charge against Bush before anyone else had a clue. It took the three of us a very long time to raise the consciousness to the level it is now but it was the worth the effort.
Michael Jordan
apollotomorrow.blogspot.com
Ted's columns have been stopped by Yahoo.com news aggregator. They stopped printing with this column. Anyone know why?
Out is suburbia, where those free-weekly city papers aren't available, most people have never heard of Ted Rall, or seen his excellent satirical comix.
He was in the forefront of resistence and called for his arrest/impeachment many, many times, which was made impossible by the Democrats Pelosi and Reid, who will now attempt to give Obama his very unconstitutional law.
Congress made "thoughtcrime" an offense several years ago. Then there were a series of EO's that ciminalize anybody who impedes government actions (such as opposing a war) and allows the government to seize their property and bank accounts and to do the same for anybody who takes pity on them and helps them.
Now we have legislation that any comment or opinion that might offend anybody is a hate crime (which could be construed as terrorism or being a terrorist sympathizer)
Now we have preventative detention for anybody that might think of doing a crime, though nobody has proof, just somebody's suspicion, and the crime can simply be that of opposing the government's policies, or protesting the giveaways to the banksters.
The KBR built camps are waiting. I am sure the Blackwater, oops, Xe Corporation will supply contract employees to run those camps, for a price paid for by We the People as usual. (they will be sub-contracted by HS, no doubt)
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“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
Joseph Goebbels
29 October 1897 – 1 May 1945
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same for any country."
Herman Goering to Gustave Gilbert at Nuremberg, 18 April, 1946
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Those guys spelled it out in their playbook, and the current administration is running the plays.
Much of this stuff has already been played out with the Nazis and in Stalinist Russia many years ago. Why must we do a repeat?
Dear Sioux Rose, I believe your 12:41 message has it exactly right. It seems that most of our fellow citizens don't understand the juncture that we find ourselves at these days. The "Patriot Act" has effectively made respecting our Constitution and the Bill of Rights voluntary for our executive, Obama can declare martial law at his whim and Congress shows no will to resist. All we need is a hyperinflation, such as has occurred in recent years in Russia and Argentina, which will finish off the pensions, savings and work opportunities that have just begun to decline, and public anger might trigger another "sound and light show" like 9-11 and usher in martial law. There are already detention camps ready for three hundred thousand people and the principle of posse comitatus has been ignored by training divisions of combat troops just back from Iraq in croud control and civil affairs. We also have a citizenry that is in full denial of what is occurring around them as our Treasury is being looted, the last act of a failed government.
Tony Vodvarka
I do wonder about the consequences if a President really did try to make the radical changes in priorities and policies we need in America. I recently heard more on the JFK conspiracy theories - that the CIA cleared out before the shooting. JFK was threatening the nuclear and MIC industries. He may have been the last President to make a real attempt. I'm not sure how conscious Obama is of the risks of really taking on this beast, but it does have to be reined in somehow.
By appointing Geitner - an integral player in helping to create the wall street mess, Obama certainly blew most of the opportunity he had to face down the corporatocracy. He's hitting a lot of key issues at least and opening some dialogues, and giving the EPA some breathing space to work. Though Obama may be loosing his biggest opportunities, I'm hoping he is helping crack open the door for better leadership. He may not represent real change but at least he may help to wake up more Americans to the nature of the many problems we face.
Doesn't the law require that a person be charged with a crime before being detained for more than 48 hours on US soil? Most of the people being held at Gitmo are being held with no official charge. Before these people could be placed in lengthy confinement in any US prison they will have to be given due process--- since there is no evidence against most of them that would mean that they would have to be released and returned to their native country. This is the real reason the Democrats voted with the republicans against closing Gitmo--- they know the law is against the continuation of this unlawful detainment of these people!
That has been the law - the foundation of our system of justice. It has been a principle since the 12th century, though often breached. Obama's preventive detention erases the fundamental protection you describe. It opens the door to arresting anyone and holding them indefinitely based on anything, since there is no requirement to enumerate or prove charges. You just call the person "dangerous".
Joe
Not only is the early call for Obama's resignation news, so is the shear number of responses to this article. It is good to see so many people clearly noticing the failure of Obama's message of "change" and "hope".
If we all had agreed to read his campaign website and carefully follow all of his statements, we should not be surprised by his behavior.
During the primary, Obama lied to folks when he gave speeches that simplified his positions to populist demands. The online movie, "The Obama Deception" has video of him making promises during speeches that he would later nullify. Of course he would wait until he got the endorsements he needed.
After reading his campaign rhetoric, I was surprised to see him gain in popularity so much during the primary. (I voted for him in the primary to avoid Clinton who differed in that she would attack Iran and the Iraq war was started with good intentions.)
The bi-partisan rule by Wall street and the MIC is failing America.
Vote Nader!!!
Yes, but if Obama did resign we'd have President Biden and that flake would be far worse! Should they both resign we get stuck with a president Nancy Pelosi (and we don't want that now do we!)! By-pass Pelosi and we get Hilary Clinton, the liar-extraordinare! There is no shining light at the end of this dream of yours to remove Obama! And I still think he is a better choice than McCain-Palin!!!
I was hoping that Mr. Obama would prove me wrong and be a ethical and honorable character.
But his term in office has only served to make me more ashamed of being an American.
I'm optimistic for this reason. I think enough people in this country will begin to see the confusion of our leaders and experts who obviously do not have answers to the current crises, and with the economy continuing to flounder they will begin to get serious about looking for real leadership. From this rubble will emerge intelligent groups of capable individuals who can lead out of the wilderness that we are now entering. America will be learning some hard lessons about allowing commercialism to run amuck. I believe there will eventually be light at the end of the tunnel, but we've got to move through the dark tunnel first. We will no doubt see some major restructuring before this is all over - politically, economically - in every aspect of American and world order. Think of it as the catepillar that liquifies before becoming totally restructured and emerging as the butterfly. The tunnel/chrysalis hasn't even entirely formed yet. More economic failure is on the way, I am certain. Pouring billions down the corporate maw in a vain attempt to restart the dead beast of wall street will never work. This has not become fully apparent to those who are heavily invested in the 'old order' as yet.
In the US today, elections of either a Republican or Democrat is nothing but bread and circuses for the masses. We really must learn that they are all bought and paid for and will dance with those who brung them. What a travesty of a government we have in the US.
Oh, I completely forgot option #2, armed rebellion. I really, really hope that it doesn't come to that, but if it does I'm ready. I'm too old and fat to fight in the streets, but give me a sniper rifle and a high perch, I'll do my part.
I'd pray to God if I believed in fantasy. Sigh, sometimes it's a bitch to be an atheist.
Great article as is to be expected from Mr. Rall. I’m also amazed and very pleased by the majority of responses. Yes, I read them all, unlike many who seem to jump in with no concept of the ongoing dialogue. With the glaring exception of Nebraska Nathan1 who is either a paid shill or a moron (sometimes it’s vary hard to tell the difference), the vast majority are passionate and thoughtful.
But what I would like to impart to the discussion is that it’s time for left/right, Dem/Repub advocates to realize that they are all part of the same game. Same goals and the same Masters.
You are presented with 2 choices for each position in the government so as to provide the comfortable illusion that you might possibly have a voice in what is to be. That is a lie, pure and simple. The men behind the curtain care not who wins, because they are both pre-selected and firmly in their pocket.
There are only 2 ways to end this nightmare that I can see. The first is to use our power at the voting booth in a massive manner. The criteria is simple. Throw away party voting. Pretend the dem/repub option doesn’t exist. Vote against all incumbents unless the last term was their first, and even then, examine their voting records before deciding to send them back. Do this at not only the national level, but also down to community, school boards, etc. Seek out potential candidates committed to the restoration of rule of law and the constitution. With a large enough effort, we could regain control of the “House of Representatives” and turn it into a body worthy of it’s name as early as 2010, along with one-third of the senate. A mere 2 years later, with the same tactics we would have two -thirds of the senate, along with the executive branch.
The last issue, though not discussed here is the financial meltdown. Obama has brought in the very people responsible for this mess to “fix” it. The whole thing reeks of a gigantic rip-off of the taxpayer by the financial elite, as is obvious to any reasonably aware American. The huge financial drain could be ended immediately by simply closing all foreign military bases (500+), bringing all troops back to US soil immediately (like Dr. Ron Paul famously said, “we walked in, why can’t we just walk out?), parking all nuclear ships except subs in US port cities and connecting to the power grid. I’m not an economist, but from what I’ve read, I’d estimate the savings to be in excess of 1.5 trillion per year. How much medical care, schools and infrastructure repair does that translate to?
Will that make us weak and susceptible to those “Islamic Terrorists”? NO!!! As our ex-military re-assimilates into American society, a good number of them will naturally gravitate into border protection agencies. With all our nuclear submarines, there is absolutely no external threat to this country from ballistic missiles, Iranian, North Korean or other. After all, didn’t the MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) doctrine protect us from the “Evil Soviet Empire” for over 30 years?
SallyUUKent, Kernelz, Kane Jeeves, and Nebraska Nathan1,
Please wake up and look at the facts and reality. Can't you see that Obama is not changing course? He's continuing Bush's agenda albeit a little slower but the damage and impact will be severe nonetheless.
Let's face it. He is not going to resign, and if he were to, those in line are no better. But, Mr. Rall, I second your emotion.
Joe
I already suspected the Big O to be nothing but a pompous fraud. Let's get busy and prepare a strong third party victory starting in 2010 and onwards. I may not live to see the day a progressive independent finally gets to govern in Washington but the sooner we start the sooner we'll get there. Whether Obama resigns or not, we got plenty of challenges to face against the rotten political machine.
Yep. A progressive. There are even a few in the Democratic Party, although I suspect they are pretty depressed right now.
Joe
You're right. I held my nose and voted for Obama but I wasn't optimistic. I do believe he exceeded my worst expectations.
Rainborowe
Let's put it this way, not great but better than Bush.
Exactly !
Gee, a vote of endorsement that Obama is indeed better at deceiving, lying and destroying than Bush. He's even better at maintaining and expanding Bush's policies and further destabilizing the US economy. Excellent slogan--Better than Bush in perpetuating EVIL.
The operative word in Mr. Rall's article is "dangerous."
It's bad enough Obama's letting those like Cheney (who admit they believe in using torture) roam free, but even entertaining a suggestion like "preventative detention" is a direct threat to every citizen alive - and to those yet unborn.
My contempt for Obama grows daily. NO RESPECT for this vile piece of excrement in the White House, wrapped up and sold as a Tootsie Roll.
I try to remain focused on man's role regarding the health of the planet upon which we all depend, but...
My opinion is that, knowing full well they were about to wreak financial and every other kind of havoc on the poorer members of our society (read: minorities), it seemed a good idea to those in power to, at the very least, put a black man in the Presidency as a hollow symbol of unity to those so suffering...not to assist them in their suffering, of course, but to prevent them from becoming murderous rebels by giving them the hope that, being one of their own, it must be some kind of horrible mistake, and will shortly be put right...
I don't know what to say to those of you that truly believe your votes are controlling the country's leadership...
I am one of the disillusioned, lesson learned. But my friends continue to stand by Obama and say "There's only so much he can do, he inherited a mess, etc." It reminds me of employers I had several years ago; after the Republicans had a major victory and had control of Congress and the White House, I was told, "Now that the Republicans are in charge, they'll be cutting taxes for business owners and we'll be able to do so much more for our employees." I remained a loyal employee for years, waiting for the benefits I was assured would come. While I watched my employers' lifestyles improve, nothing ever changed for us lowly workers. I finally wised up and left.
And today my Obama-loyal friends continue to make excuses and wait for the rewards I know will never come.
What many here are missing is the fact that THE ENTIRE GODDAMNED SYSTEM IS CORRUPT.
You need to get deprogrammed and allow that to penetrate your skulls.
Meanwhile, you're wasting time and bandwidth now arguing over whether Obama, (or before this, Bush) should be removed. Tell me, who in the current gov't would replace Obama or Bush if they actually were impeached or brought to justice?
I'll tell you who: the same criminals, cronies, and bought-and-paid-for whores in the D and R parties that enabled them in the first place. Nothing would significantly change.
Until you remove the foundation of the corruption - meaning the monied interest's nearly complete control - you'll get only the same results.
There used to be people living on this continent that realized this and acted upon it, such as Benjamin Franklin, Samuel Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and Andrew Jackson.
"What many here are missing is the fact that THE ENTIRE GODDAMNED SYSTEM IS CORRUPT."
I agree
Here here.
So, anytime someone that probably most of us cringed and voted for doesn't live up to our notion of progressiveness we should demand they resign after a few months and let whatever half-ass VP take over, while anytime the Right gets their favorite in and they back him all the way, or at least for 4-6 years?
Obviously resignation of Obama is not a practical or realizable tactic. The "half-ass VP"? I don't want him either.
Joe
It would be nice if the extremists on both sides would just keep their mouths shut and be useful to society. They're making it very difficult for Obama or good moderates to fix the country. Both extremes are developing mental insanities and diseases by calling for anarchy such as telling Obama to resign when he has been in office for only 4 months. I hope Obama makes it through. We've had 30 years of enough rightwing hell and I'll never forget that sad night in 1980 when Reagan won and the downhill of our country began.
Rall says "Preventive detention is the classic defining characteristic of a military dictatorship". So is keeping your mouth shut. Perfect together.
Joe
What is your deal, man?
Stop telling people to keep their mouths shut. People can say what they want in this country. We can call for a president's resignation, even if it doesn't make sense. We can criticize him even if it might give our opposition some kind of advantage. I don't personally think it does.
Seriously, you sound like a fucking moron: ".....keep their mouths SHUT!"
Screw you, buddy. Keep YOUR mouth shut.
Obama has gone way over to the right of even the general population on so many issues. He's only a centrist in the sense that he is somewhere between Fox and MSNBC. In reality, he is closer to Bush and Cheney than Kucinich or any other real leftist politician. I feel no duty to support the guy. He is clearly a corporate stooge, and I think his continuation of neocon policies will directly negatively impact my life.
"someone that probably most of us cringed and voted for doesn't live up to our notion of progressiveness we should demand they resign after a few months and let whatever half-ass VP take over, while anytime the Right gets their favorite in and they back him all the way"
zmann, your comment suggests that the person "most of us cringed and voted for" is not also on "the Right". I'm sorry, I don't see the Democrats as any less "right" than the only other party in congress. I mean, if you could tell me what you wanted out of your government, and showed how Obama was better serving you, then that would at least begin to make some sense.
In my defense, he was not the Right's favorite of the two.
"while anytime the Right gets their favorite in"
I'm the last one to encourage people to be blindly "patriotic" and to "support your leader", but some of us should be careful - being really hard-core against everything is no more productive than the very attitude you are against. Really reflect on what constant criticism does to relationships. Are you more critical than you are productive?
Look at the great diplomats and world leaders around us. (Yes there are many, maybe not presidents but former presidents, human rights leaders, forward looking visionaries) - men and women who do more productive work and less criticism.
Again, I'm not saying don't criticize our war-mongering efforts and lack of action in issues like the Israel-Palestine conflict.
However, this is very serious reminder to all progressives. There is always more going on in the world than mere outer events. Inner, spiritual trends are harder to notice sometimes. Being too negative actually destroys inner progress and what would be positive developing trends.
There's sort of an art to being patient, and yet not being patient and working for the change you want to see.
The people you admire are not part of government. That should be a tip-off.
However, it is insane to think we have to wait for someone's principles to appear. They are either there or they're not. This man was an empty suit who was very good at confusing many perceptive people. When I was criticizing Obama in October a friend became angry at my being, as he put it, "picky". Now he says he's disappointed. I'm just sad and I have to admit the preventive detention surprised me.
Stop thinking your problems can be solved by the "Great White (or Black) Father". Support Instant Runoff Voting to give third parties a chance. Shop local, save every penny you can, eat real food and be kind.
Daniel Ortega said Obama was a prisoner of the power elite, or words to that effect. If he were a decent man, one not full of vanity and arrogance like all the rest of them, he would resign.
It's about time someone here set the patience advice straight. There's too much purity madness going on here. The more the far right and the far left continue to blow up with their extremist hate talk, the less likely anything will get done. I have been disappointed in Obama too but I realize that there is a thing called compromise and negotiation instead of pushing extremist agendas down everyone's throats. I already had to put up with bedwetting crybabies far leftists before but am glad some of them are gone but there are too many who are getting infected with this mental madness and this must STOP. Obama will do what he can but all of YOU must participate and cooperate to make your dreams come true.
Oregoncharles
My "dream come true" is that the commander in chief of the US military stop burning and bombing innocent people. But you say "shut up" and let the kids burn? Why is caring about brutality, especially when it's my tax dollars that are being used for it, "mental madness?" You sound like a budding Hitler. Why is, at least in your lexicon, not being "patient" while innocent people are systematically slaughtered, considered "purity madness?" You might want to think about this after you go to bed tonight, but don't let it keep you awake, there's school tomorrow, remember!
I worry about you. I'm hoping you're just a little boy having some sick fun and you'll get over it and grow up to be compassionate and bright human being. I used to do a lot of weird things when I was a lad, too. Can you talk to a school counselor? Your parents? A friend?
Oregoncharles,
Pay no attention to that sick puppy Obamabot. He's been irritating everyone with his blind love for Obama. There's no reasoning with NN. I'll bet he must be that same "Joe Hope" guy who was such a pain. It also appears that he's been a bully and has a problem with women just reading through his lame tantrum replies to Sioux Rose who gave that SOB a tough spanking. If NN goes to jail because of Obama's support of preemptive incarceration, I'd love to see that SOB still cheerleading Obama.
I'm afraid though that your criticism of Obama will have throngs of Obama supporters crying foul. -- Space Cadet
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Well, two or three here, anyway-- that's a sort of mini-throng, I suppose.
Needless to say, I much enjoyed Rall's screed, and side with the "thumbs-down" majority in this thread.
The "Obama needs time to work his magic" argument is fallacious, IMO, because it presumes that-- to use a phrase from the Sixties, which Obama regards as the Dark Before the Dawn of Morning in Amerika-- Obama is indeed "part of the solution".
Thus, devotees limit themselves to superficial disappointment at his unexpected troublesome aspects, e.g. making the Treasury a division of Goldman-Sachs and reaching out to banksters everywhere; not only condoning but supporting the worst excesses of the Bush-crafted Global War on Terror; backing the corporations opposing single-payer health care. For starters.
If Obama was Daniel in the lion's den, or David facing Goliath, he would naturally invite support; that is, if he were truly a rookie underdog striving to Do the Right Thing in the face of partisan and wingnut adversity, no one would have to bleat that he is being unfairly rejected and condemned.
It's a red herring to frame the issue as one tiny president standing up against massive entrenched corruption, and citizens like Rall being far too quick to condemn. The condemnation springs from Obama's obvious preference for the vested interests and his own authority, at the expense of the people.
· Yr Obd't Servant
"Obama's obvious preference for the vested interests and his own authority, at the expense of the people". Well said obd't servant. Obama really needs to get over himself and realize what a tool he is.
Joe
Well said, Servant.
Sioux Rose
O.S. I notice that the resident court jester on steroids doesn't attack you, I guess your words go right over his little head. Dunce cap and all.
You've got a bad case of the Nathans, SR. It must be a badge of honor to be singled out in the SHUT UP shout down.
Sioux Rose
PITCH FORK: Any volunteers to take the verbal abuse? I realize most see through him, but it still is an attack on my character and beliefs. And it's brutally unfair. I appreciate those who defended me; and I apologize to any who realize what a bother this nonsense is.
I support you, Sioux Rose...
You speak truth while others shout "SILENCE...!!!"
Like banned books and entheogens...
The example set by those who attempt to demonize your words...
Contrasts with your own kind manner and tone...
And their attacks Will act as an indicator for other truth seekers...
Sioux Rose,
I might not have said it very well. I agree completely that you have been treated "brutally unfair." I don't like seeing anyone being trashed on this board the way you have been on this thread. Sorry if I sounded dismissive of your feelings.
"You've got a bad case of the Nathans"
Now, that quote deserves some kind of award, Pitch Fork, bravo!!
Such extremist talk ! Obama may have disappointed all of us in so many ways but now is not the time to call for him ro resign. So if Obama resigns, why do you expect Biden or anyone else to be any better? Ted Rall should keep his big fat mouth SHUT until November 2012 when he can vote Obama out. Ted Rall and the far leftist loonies can vote for Gingrich and Palin in 2012 and get themselves wiped off !
Wow! I guess you want to repeal the 1st Amendment. Now I'd say THAT is extremist. I don't see anywhere in the Constitution that we are allowed only to vote once every 4 years and then SHUT UP and accept living in a dictatorship. And most people would say that criticism is only of any use when applied early, while the person criticised has time to change course.
Rainborowe
Why not have a revolution and learn how to ELECT folks who are not slaves to Big Oil and Big Guns abd Big Banks?
If Obomba resigns you will get Israeli citizen Biden.
How, may I ask, is that an improvement?
This is just effing pathetic.
We know Obomber is not going to resign and most on CD know that the US is in no way, shape, or form a democracy. This is just a form of ridicule that is perfectly justified and that possibly in some small way will help the jerk sense he is being too obvious about serving the plutocracy. Ridiculing Obomber feels good, it costs nothing, and it appears to be the right thing to do. Do you really think it is so wrong?
Actually, I think it is pathetic and I said so.
This site is just a safety valve--probably funded by both political parties, too.
If you are posting silly stuff here you are not marching on Washington.
And the safety valve is working.
Just not for YOU, especially.
"If Obomba resigns you will get Israeli citizen Biden."
Ted Rall and the far leftist extremes just don't get that. Obama was elected by a strong majority and he made it clear how he would govern. Like him or hate him, he's the president until 2012 or 2016 and the extremists will have to keep their big mouths SHUT !
I fail to see why Obombo being in the Oval Office means that "extremists"--whatever that means (right, or left?) will have to keep ANYTHING shut.
It appears to me that you are abusing your free speech perogatives.
Ted, welcome to the club! Last week (May 22, on the Tom Engelhardt thread), I made a comment here suggesting Obama should resign, in reverse Stuart Smalley fashion: "I am now resigning as I have realized I am not up to the job. I am not good enough, or smart enough, and doggone it, people are beginning to really despise me!"
And they are beginning to really despise him because they are beginning to really know him.
kivals
Looks as if we are heading for the same compass point.
Obama is uniting a lot of people.
I was thinking RECALL, but resignation also works for me --
True, we are living a military dictatorship nightmare
put in place by the elite.
They have power and control as long as they can maintain
secrecy. Secrecy over documents, history - and their own
evil deeds.
We still haven't even had the Church Committee Report
released as yet -- and that goes back into the 1970's!
CIA has been working to keep right-wing governments in
place all over the world post WWII. No reason to think
they haven't been doing the same thing in America.
Wake up, America!!
"According to all myth, the female - not the male -- gives life"
So who do you plan to replace Obama with if not Biden? If you can't come up with a qualified candidate, then keep your big mouth SHUT !
Sioux Rose
Conscience: 21st century adaptations on the OLD theme:
A kinder, gentler fascism.
Its subjects entertained by a mass media that knows how to work the tools of subliminal seduction to keep the pack soporific.
Let them eat genetically modified cake!
GM food isn't really all that bad. GM food has been ongoing throughout all of mankind. Where have you been all these years, in ding bat land? LOL !
GM food is good for you? Oh dear. No wonder your damaged cornfed brain ain't learning to think or write properly. Try grabbing yourself a glass of grass fed milk to drink everyday and get off the corn-fed shit so that you can repair that damaged cornfed brain of yours !
Good article Ted Rall.
I'm afraid though that your criticism of Obama will have throngs of Obama supporters crying foul. Also the corporate media isn't ready to dispose of Obama just yet as he hasn't lived out his usefulness to the corporate agenda. I expect him to be discarded once he actually tries to do something (ANYTHING!) that is in the interests of the common folk. As of May 28th 2009, Obama has been an admirable Republican as he squashes any move towards single-payer healthcare, increases military adventures in the Near East, coddles Big Oil, does nothing to end the prison industrial complex, continues the so-called "War on Terrorism" and surrounds himself with right wing ideologues, hand picked by America Inc who in turn advise him on how to keep the populace down.
Now I read in your article this latest Orwellian move to implement "prolonged detention" that sounds like it came right out of the Rumsfeld-Cheney playbook.
If you want better from Obama, then go communicate with him and his staff and Congress.