Freeing Up Resources... for More War
Hours after President Obama's speech to a joint session of Congress, the New York Times printed the news that he plans to gradually withdraw "American combat forces" from Iraq during the next 18 months. The newspaper reported that the advantages of the pullout will include "relieving the strain on the armed forces and freeing up resources for Afghanistan."
The president's speech had little to say about the plans for escalation, but the few words will come back to haunt: "With our friends and allies, we will forge a new and comprehensive strategy for Afghanistan and Pakistan to defeat Al Qaida and combat extremism, because I will not allow terrorists to plot against the American people from safe havens halfway around the world. We will not allow it."
Obama didn't mention the additional number of U.S. troops -- 17,000 -- that he has just ordered to Afghanistan. But his pledge that he "will not allow terrorists to plot against the American people" and his ringing declaration, "We will not allow it," came just before this statement: "As we meet here tonight, our men and women in uniform stand watch abroad and more are readying to deploy."
Get the message? In his first speech to Congress, the new president threw down a 90-month-old gauntlet, reaffirming the notion that committing to war halfway around the world -- in Afghanistan and now in Pakistan too -- will make Americans safer. With drumrolls like that, the mission could outlive all of us.
And so, a colossal and fateful blunder, made by a very smart leader, arguably our best and brightest, is careening forward with the help of silence that defers all too readily to power. This is how the war in Vietnam escalated, while individuals and groups muted their voices. Many people will pay with their lives.
The reasons why the war in Afghanistan cannot be won are directly connected to why the war is wrong. In essence, people do not like their country occupied for years on end, especially when the occupiers are routinely killing civilians (whatever the rationale). Monochrome words like Taliban and "terrorists" might seem tidy and clear enough as they appear in media coverage, or as they roll off a president's tongue, but in the real Afghan world the opponents of the U.S. war are diverse and wide-ranging. With every missile strike that incinerates a household or terrorizes a village, the truly implacable "extremists" can rejoice at Uncle Sam's assistance to their recruiting efforts.
Those who are fond of talking and writing about President Obama's admirable progressive values will, sooner or later, need to come to terms with the particulars of his actual policies. In foreign affairs, the realities now include the ominous pairing of his anti-terrorism rhetoric and his avowed commitment to ratchet up the U.S. war effort in Afghanistan.
I don't often make predictions, but I'm confident about this one: Within a few years, some members of Congress, and leaders of some progressive groups with huge email lists, will look back with regret as they recall their failure to clearly and openly oppose the pivotal escalation of the Afghan war.
They could save themselves a lot of shame, and save others their lives, by speaking out sooner rather than later. In the process, they might help save the Obama presidency from running aground in Afghanistan.
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Show AllWhen did everyone forget that 9-11 was perpetrated by SAUDIS???
army brat-that is easy,
The day they realized Saudi's did not stand NORAD down, plant controlled demolitions in the twin-towers, or bring WTC7 down using some form of magic (then keep ALL mention of it out of the 9-11 Commission's Report, you know, the one Kissinger was initially chosen to head?).
The Five Dancing Mossad Agents (that is Israeli armybrat) that filmed the impacts from the New Jersey shore while dancing and singing, their fore-knowledge, arrest and near-instant release by Israeli-American chertoff...shucks, that made a lot of people forget about the "saudi" bs too. Ya know, the killer-A-rab bs? Islamofascism bs? Read some Walt & Mearscheimer.
9-11 was an inside job. The SAUDI's were not on the inside. Although Atta was real once in his fire, maybe throughout, he was used and orchestrated.
Bye now, Joe.
I am writing this to say that with all the admiration and hope that I do have for President Obama's chance to help us create what we need, I also have to say...
Must be he finds it too difficult to stand up to pressure from the influences that have brought us to this point to begin with. I'm sure that if he could just muster up the courage to really do what's right he would. I can't imagine what they must be forcing him into this corner with. Oh, Pres Obama. You have such an opportunity. I know you see it. Why , why are you forsaking us...
It's just that,I know you want to do what's right, don't you? You know that the whole ruling the world through the military thing is just a game for boys who never grew up. Is it that you're just buying time? But But But... we don't have any time.
Are you really sending these troops in for a secret, diplomatic strategy. Once they are there, they work in a social, national building and good works mode? I could almost see that...
Really what is your objective?
"a colossal and fateful blunder, made by a very smart leader, arguably our best and brightest"
Norman, you are experiencing what they call a "jerking around". The elites are having FUN jerking you around, first dispensing you the DUMBEST chimp on the planet, then the SMARTEST chimp on the planet, both to serve THEM, the elites, at YOUR expense. The song remains the same. Let's just give up thinking about it and select our next SUVs from the 2011 lineup! Just kidding. Please consider voting AGAINST the elites and FOR THE PEOPLE in all of your individual exchange/association...
People keep saying Obama was chosen by his elite masters and that his foreign-policy decisions prove it. I'm pretty sure this is faulty logic.
The tendency of Democrats to act like Republicans in matters of foreign policy is no surprise to anoyne. It is in fact a constant cause for chagrin among Democrats. Someday we may better understand why the foreign policy establishment can remain so intransigently imperialistic even when Democrats are in office.
But it's bad logic to say this proves a secret elite is calling all the shots. You will notice that no historians, journalists, political scientists, sociologists, or journalists believe a secret elite is calling all the shots. Not even Carroll Quigley, who referred to conspiracy theories "radical-right fairy tale[s]."
You'll also notice that the people who make this argument tend to ignore Obama's domestic agenda, which is starkly different from any imaginable Republican agenda. Why would a secret elite switch its domestic policy all of a sudden, while keeping the foreign policy the same? Why are the records of the two parties so incredibly different? And why would this elite be allowing their puppet parties to steal elections from one another?
These are major scenario problems with the "secret elite" view of things. If you don't cherrypick, you can see that the "secret elite" argument fails to explain much of what's going on.
My assessment of the non-ex-President's non-legacy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_3wJzkxmBQ
Nice post Perry. The elites are not secret, I agree. They can be glimpsed arriving in their Gulfstreams, staying in their Penthouses and leaving on their yachts. They serve no masters, those are the string-pullers.
The inability of Democrats to change the imperialism intrinsic to our essence is frustrating but inescapable. Our economy is based on multi-nationals raping and plundering the world's resources and labor. And has been since before BO was born.
No POTUS can or will try to change the fundamental nature of our imperialist essence-the military bases, the rape, the plundering. To change that would mean a revolution, dismantling the system.
I'd die to see it happen, but it is silly to expect a president to take the system apart. On the other hand, I believe BO is a decent man, as good as he can be given where and what he is, and will be responsive to progressive needs and demands.
And here it becomes up to us. Becoming a vocal chorus working for leftward movement of legislation now that we have a president who may listen is an opportunity.
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I read the thread. I voted for Obama. The thread has a few like me that voted for BO, saw the choice a no brainer. Most on the thread vilify BO.
Most say they are pure because they voted for a 3rd party. One thing made clear in the last election cycle was that NO 3rd party candidate had a viable campaign, planned and orchestrated for the necessary 4 years prior to the election. Nader got less than a million votes. If he'd received 15 million-what a victory, McCain would be president. This Dynamic offers no hope. It did not in '00, '04, '08 nor will it in '012.
So I think unless you have been out on your feet organizing today, being active, working for change in a concrete physical manner your vilification of BO is near void because you offer no alternative.
Today I spent a couple of hours with KVMR, the Progressive Democrats of America, and working out the when where and how to get Karen Bernal, the Northern California PDA coordinater in front of 50 (my target) progressives from my county and have us become a Chapter of PDA. The PDA works to strengthen the progressive voice within the Democratic party. It's priorities include single payer health care, ending the Iraq war and fair elections.
It's members include John Conyers, Mimi Kennedy, Tom Hayden-Normon Solomon calls himself an ally-Cindy Sheehan is a member.
We move legislation in Sacramento to the left using grass-roots organizing in each congressional district. This collective voice has power.
Though not storming the palace-I'm no Che-I am working for change. Most humbly, but doing some small thing..if we all were to....pragmaticliberal pointed to the PDA. Thanks PL.
Does anyone know a better way? Joe.
Criticizing is easy-everyone does it-But knocking on doors, organizing, and physical activism fuels change.
azjoe,
KVMR, for all the good it does being the "voice of the community", is not all that progressive. At least not how I would define the world in these very perilous times. My many discussions with Mike Thornton and Paul Emory have shown me that. Only Chomba comes close.
The problem is one of "civilization". I'm sorry, but it (or really, we) have to go. As history, both past and resent, has clearly shown, we are far, far from sustainable. Modern (Western) culture (which is essentially now the culture of the entire world) is, very literally, insane. And that means everyone in it (you and me included), with almost no exceptions.
Please read anything by Derrick Jensen, particularly "Endgame (1 and 2)", and "The Fourth Turning", by William Strauss and Neil Howe.
Have a nice day.
SpiritWarrior, Hello, Thank You for your thoughts.
I realize the false dochotomy inherent within trying to change the system from within the system.
I've spent my life loathing U.S policies though w/o trying to change them. I am guilty.
I believe in the need for a Revolution, but that it will come in it's own time. McCain would have hastened it. Can I? I am not going to start throwing bombs, alas, so I'm experimenting with the PDA. People told me not to experimnent with LSD too, but they were wrong.
The PDA is only a few years old, BO, a month in; it's not a foregone conclusion that progressives will have no voice or effect on policy.
But I'm cautiously optimistic at best, ie, I agree w/ you, especially on this-have a truly nice day, Joe.
YES. The better way is the FAR LEFT way. The far left is where the TRUTH lives. The far left is where the people's principles are kept. It's a STABLE platform. It won't change until we detect changes in the evolution of human nature. Right now, human nature calls for the platform of the FAR LEFT to NOT compromise with oppression. It's very very simple. Ahh yes, physical activism. Well, these black walnuts have a nice buttery taste. A great way to have your butter without stomping on ecosystems. Go out in the forest and gather up your wild black walnuts, let the green hulls dry up in the shade, knock em off, and store the woody hull nuts in the cupboard. They last for months. Break some open, put the kernels in the food processor with raw garlic, and spread it on your bread or whatever. If you noticed, this is a change of mindset. If you want political change in chimpland, change your own mindset, and the desired results fall out of that automatically. So, you will stop buying the butter, right?
rdtury, Hello. So if I "change my mindset," and enough others do too, this will change U.S. foreign and domestic policy?
Wow, I did not know we had that kind of power. We don't.
Other than criticism and vague talk of walnuts and don't buy the butter? Do you have any conrete susggestions for how to change things?
Start here. What are YOU DOING to make things better in our world? The FAR LEFT calls for a Revolution and nothing less. Have you occupied your local recruiting office and I missed that on the news? Shot dead a cop or politician? Revolutions are bloody and violent.
So, you've said what I do is useless. I accept that-what do you DO? AS opposed to DENIGRATE?
Respectfully, Joe.
This article is just sheer effrontery from Norman Solomon. Obama is simply executing the policies he promised he'd execute while on the campaign stump, including escalating the wars in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
So, why is Solomon pretending like it's a big surprise? When Solomon became a delegate for Obama, he essentially signed on to a continuation of these senseless wars, just as Obama promised.
Solomon should now be directing his calls to action to the Obama loyalist base. He has no cause to point to activists not doing anything about this abhorrent policy. We've already opposed it by voting third party.
Blood is already on the hands of loyalists Dems, as Obama has ordered at least two Predator drone strikes in Pakistan. These wars are a Dem loyalist wars. The base already rejected a more peaceful alternative proposed by Democratic Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich. Instead, they went with Obama and his Bush-like policies.
Solomon writes: "Those who are fond of talking and writing about President Obama's admirable progressive values will, sooner or later, need to come to terms with the particulars of his actual policies."
I have to ask: Why didn't you take your own advice above, Norm? And how could you have been a delegate for such a transparently warmongering candidate?
"Out, out damned spot," Norm. You've got a lot of scrubbing and activist organizing work to do. Get moving - it's your responsibility.
-TIA
Because McCain/Palin would've been SO much better at the job?
Palin? PALIN?
C'mon now . . . get real.
Well, that's not my argument, but if you voted Obama, you voted for war.
-TIA
Public policy regarding military spending has to change comprehensively. We need to counter military spending and actions broadly, demanding sane and beneficial foreign policy from our government.
Americans spoke clearly during their protests of the occupation in Iraq- we do not want our government to pursue empire, we want needs met here at home.
People must pressure Congress and Obama to change military policies fundamentally. Military actions as economic policy must not be accepted.
Without demanding fundamental change re how our military is used, it's not a matter of if we will have "wars" but where and when.
It was clear from the outset of the primary campaign that Obama was largely an "establishment" candidate. As the election process progressed it became very very clear that those who control the sources of our information had chosen Obama as their golden boy. A candidate who spoke ringingly with nearly the power of Martin Luther King (sorry MLK), who was distinctly and visually different.. Handsome a powerful speaker, and speaking ringlingly of "change". He was in fact "selected" to be our next president. Three pathetic Republican candidates, and Hillary who much of the nation despises..... It was a shoe in. The men of real vision..... not vague promises of "change" were silenced by a conspiracy of the press..... Edwards and Dennis Kucinich. These men saw the real nature of the problems we face and were ready and willing to address the REAL problems in logical ways.... but we barely heard what they had to say.... The substance of what they had to offer and the vision they largely shared was "hidden beneath a bushel basket". it became clear early in the election cycle that Obama was "blessed". The two previous elections were "won" by fraud..... you know that and I know that... as do most Americans. Election fraud and conspiracy are crimes..... serious crimes which are punishable..... if there is the will to punish. But the right has learned an important lesson.. that fraud and conspiracy are NOT required to accomplish their ends. Is a Republican better than Democrat for their purposes..... Actually it doesn't matter at all.... Clinton served the same masters for 8 years. All that matters is that the candidate is "establishment" and recognizes his "masters". Control of information is not regarded as "election fraud", and in fact it is often defended as "freedom of the press". A democratic process is non-democratic when the people are deprived of good information.... garbage in / garbage out. George Bush was the "compassionate conservative".... a phrase hammered again and again...... Obama was the candidate for unspecified change... both serve or served their masters..... the same masters largely. The American people dutifully turned out to "do their patriotic duty",and by voting they again lent their sanction to a corrupt parody of "democratic process". I did NOT.... and have not for years participated in this parody of democratic process. My vote is my acknowledgment that the process is legitimate.....and I refuse to grant the process that sanction. My fondest democratic dream is the election where NOBODY came. Obama will not bring significant change........ he will instead ride this sinking ship of state as the "Great American Empire" slips beneath the waves of history after dashing itself on the rocks of the inevitable wars that are the foundation of empire and ultimately the undoing of it. Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan...... it matters little. Democracy (true democracy) and empire are mutually exclusive!
H.W.
Sioux Rose
STONE TOOL: An excellent analysis.
Perpetual war is America's goal. It is an inefficient stimulus with strong political backing from the MIC. With the failing banks America needs an employment engine to enrich the elites. America is becoming a military zoo.
Dwight Eisenhower: "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its labourers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
An inefficient stimulus indeed. Literally trillions spent on militarist interventionism since Vietnam and nothing to show for it. For the same amount we could have had alternative energy and have been free of imported oil. We could have had a wonderful system of education. We could have had a rock solid infrastructure. It never had to be this way.
d.k.shaw
Sioux Rose
EKATON: This is the matter I think about every day, the waste and the carnage and the insanity behind it; and that's why I do what I can to educate that this syndrome I call "Mars rules" be seen for what it is, and that the public be freed from homage to these insidious "entities." Beliefs are entities as they take shape often enough as concrete things. The belief in war as heroism MUST be exposed for the fraud that it is. The entire world is paying... the whole banking debacle is a class WAR for sure, as has been the reshaping of our economy which like a domino sends those of other lands toppling. It is inconceivable to me that those who engineered these crises have been given the fiscal keys to the kingdom(s), if ever a bad recipe was added to a dire situation, we are seeing it in slow motion. Mammon and Mars are at the wheel, and neither gives a hoot about life or ecological sustainability, the things that most of us count upon.
Paul Siemering
it really does no good to be "smart" if you are dumb enough to believe you can prevent anyone from plotting violence against the u.s. "We will not allow it" he says. oh really?
also he thinks he can destroy al-Qaeda. wow. didn't the ex-pres do that? and why not? Finally, about those "safe havens". Neither Afghanistan nor Pakistan is especially safe for anyone. But no terrorists, real or imagined, needs any safe havens. People who wish harm to the u.s. are all over the world. bush was delusional, we all concluded that early on. That's why he thought he could have a war on a certain method of waging war. what is Obama then?
The president's speech had little to say about the plans for escalation, but the few words will come back to haunt: "With our friends and allies, we will forge a new and comprehensive strategy for Afghanistan and Pakistan to defeat Al Qaida and combat extremism, because I will not allow terrorists to plot against the American people from safe havens halfway around the world. We will not allow it."
Good luck, amigo. Better bring back the draft and prepare to borrow every cent left in the world. Even that won't be enough.
Obama is just the new front man from another faction of The Shadow Government. It's curious how when people used these terms describing Bush that all our friends agreed but when you use the language describing Obama's mainly CFR inner circle these same people label it conspiracy whack job theories. Interesting. They are both fronting for Rockefeller whether your middle manager is Kissenger or Brezinski.
I prefer to believe that Barack Obama is a good man trapped in a bad system. He is a consummate politician to be sure, he is a fund raiser of the first order as well, skills needed to succeed in his chosen field. But , every so often , in his reaching out to the opposition, in his flowery and generally empty rhetoric I find an occasional jewel that makes me pause in my judgement.
Evolution doesnt come equally to all, I think our president just a bit behind the curve....
"When a true genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign, that all the dunces are all in confederacy against him." Jonathan Swift
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so." Bertrand Russell
Wise up folks, see Obama for what he is: a cold war/hot war centrist "liberal." Last night he made a pitch for a new American century. (i.e. we must rule the world)! This does not bode well. See below:
What? the American Century Part II? Yes, Obama said it last night, ("The only way this century will be another American century is if we confront at last the price of our dependence on oil and the high cost of healthcare; the schools that aren't preparing our children and the mountain of debt they stand to inherit.") Here he was following up on Henry Luce's claim that the 20th century was the American one. Add to that Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's notion of America as “the indispensable nation.” Then go back in time to the Puritan idea that we are chosen people that will bring light unto the world and that we are a city upon a hill for all to see, a beacon of goodness. And don’t forget the Project for the New American Century which promoted American global leadership. Fundamental to the PNAC were the view that "American leadership is both good for America and good for the world" and support for "a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity.
Can this be? Is numero uno in our future?
No doubt, we were a can-do country during the 20th century –climbing out of the depression, winning the war, helping our friends with the Marshall Plan and surpassing Great Britain as the major economic and military powerhouse. But we suffered during the Bush years, with the Iraq war debacle, Guantanamo, the Katrina Debacle, the Wall Street melt-down.
Are there still customers for Brand America? Probably not and God seems to be looking at us with a jaundiced eye, and so maybe now’s the time to became a caring, peaceful country like Sweden, or Norway. Mixed economies with great social services. And perhaps a new UN , minus the likes of John Bolton, can become the new city upon the hill.
If you only have time to read one post in this string, stop reading this one and go to Ephraim, who, on the subject of President Obama's benighted policy for Afghanistan, asks, "How can someone be so 'smart' and unutterably stupid at the same time?"
I thought the president's speech was pretty good last night until he started talking about using huge military might to destroy "secret enclaves who are plotting against us."
How do Military kids with officers who change the rules of engagement every day decide whether an enclave is 1) secret and plotting against us; 2) a wedding party; 3) an engagement party?
Hasn't it been the experience of world leaders that when they invade some country, the enclaves plot against them even more? How about French and Danish undergrounds et al. in WWII?
Any prominent person or nation will always have people plotting against them. To try and expunge each one will-- quite simply-- destroy the world.
Some politicians lie some of the time, others lie all of the time.
Mr. Obama's contention that he has to protect me by denying terrorists "safe havens" in Afghanistan/Pakistan flies in the face of what happened at 9/11. Those terrorists had "safe havens" for training to learn to fly their deadly planes here in our USA.
Mr. President, stop trying to sell me your bullshit. Your tactic/strategy if it may be called that will eventually shift those "safe havens" from the caves and mountains of Afghanistan/Pakistan into the big cities where they are much "safer".
That is how "Mumbai" was planned.
Emperor, you have no clothes. You are "nekkid".
change=chump change. the tell, should have been when we found out that zbig and albright were his foreign advisers. now with holbrooke there, the escalation will ramp up. leave and leave now. that is the only answer.
This is just illustrates that those who "make a killing on war" are those who are still calling the shots.
Its tragic comedy to watch those democrats and so called progressives yuck it up with pats on the back all around, totally ignorant of the fact that the same SYSTEM is still in effect... the system that pays for candidates to get into office with private money... regardless of Obama's grass roots effort, he's been paid for by the same interests that controlled Bush.
If you want to see kool aid drinkers and delusional two-party dupes, check out the comment string on Crooks and Liar's visions of grandeur post...
President Obama was electrifying!
These people don't want change, simply their labeled side in power... pathetic.
Norm,
You were a delegate for Mr. Obama at the Dem National Convention. Did not you see this coming, sense his stand has always been escalation and more war in Pakistan?
Now you are surprised? Hah.
Yeah, I don't get it either. Obama has maintained a hawkish stance on Afghanistan all along, even while Solomon was a delegate.
There are alot of totally heartless, ingnorant posts. Some people act as if Iraq never happened. Others are so cruel they do not mind killing people to stimulate the economy.
Hello? Mr. Obama? We worked our tails of to get you elected to...
END ALL THE WARS
we are in.
PaiaGirl,
Sorry for all the work you did, cause it has been wasted.
Look here. Read about the reality of Mr. Obama and his GWOT. He is not leaving Iraq, ever; and he is escalating into Afghanistan and Pakistan.
http://www.counterpunch.com/floyd02252009.html
Orwell in Babylon
Obama's Non-Withdrawal Withdrawal Plan
The war on terror is fictitious because you can't have a war on a noun. Its right out of 1984, and there was Obama up there with the platitudes last night as the people kept rising to their feet to applaud the same way they did when bush was up there spewing the cr*p. He's just doing it without an earpiece telling him what to say and he's doing it without a snarky smirk. He's doing it with a face that looks friendly and caring and intelligent.
He talked about better education, jobs, loans, etc. --- but that all will fall in a heap because he is a giving the call for unending war. We are already bankrupt, and more war will bring us further into the toilet no matter what 'good' things Obama tries to do to fix things in the homeland.
He said it all at the speech right after he won the election. After campaigning on "change" --and never really saying exactly what that would entail (and no one asked)-- he revealed it to everyone. He said something like (I will have to find the exact quote), "This is the first time a man of color has won the presidency. THAT'S the change I'm talking about." My mouth hung open. "THAT'S the change"??? I imagined him mentally giving a wink and a click of the tongue, and pointing at everyone with a laugh and exclaiming "GOTCHA!"
ratdog
Obama doesn't need an earpiece. He is such a good reader. Those two tele-prompters, one on each side, and he goes from one to the other, reading quite well but a great speech maker. Give me a break. I am always afraid he might break his neck or make me sea sick. I am afraid its time to take the obama sticker off the old vw bus. I did not sign up for war.. It is amazing to me how many people do not notice the tele-prompters. I saw him talking the other day and they actually had some sort of thing on them that lowered them when the camera pulled back for a long shot.
As I stated previously several times, if we were to pull out today from Afghanistan, the new ELECTED government would fall within a couple of months. The Taliban would take over and we would be hearing about mass executions. They would establish the same type of brutal control of the locals. Then they would go back to business as usual in giving terrorists safe havens and training camps. The next step most likely would be increased terrorism in the America, Europe, and India.
Our fundamental position should be building up the new government and its military inorder that they take over as soon as possible. I think many people assume Afghanistan is like Iraq. The people of Afghanistan do not want a return of Taliban rule. They are essentially invaders from Pakistan. In terms of brutality, that would be the equivalent of another regime taking over in Iraq and ruling it like Saddam.
I learned one or two things from the absent Pragmatic Liberal, though I abhored his stance that war is necessary. The Taliban is Pashtun in origin, and that tribe straddles the border of both nations, in fact they call that region "Pashtunistan"....
The regime of Karsai is brutally corrupt and its jurisdiction extends only as far as the edge of Kabul, I doubt they will win the next election. The government of that nation, whichever faction gets installed, is almost irrelevent to the situation. Today on NPR one correspondant who interviewed a Taliban commander in his home ( brave journalist) noted that, despite the headlines in the Kabul papers about a "grand offensive" against this very leader, no Afghan armed forces were seen. The commander himself, who was murdered by a rival a few weeks after the interview, said that it was all theater and his jihad against Americans was condoned by the Kabul regime.
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so." Bertrand Russell
Red Rick
I heard that I believe. The more things change the more they stay the same.
"The regime of Karsai is brutally corrupt and its jurisdiction extends only as far as the edge of Kabul"
Some Marine friends just back don't think it extends that far!
What!!!!
we are going through all this to keep this guy in a position that amounts to little more than being the mayor of (most of) Kabul!!
No , we are going through this in order to increase a military presence in that part of the world, to ensure the availability of gas pipeline routes, and to grant huge profits to the military industrial complex....
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so." Bertrand Russell
While I'm not happy to see more troops being thrown into Afghanistan, I realize that maybe the president has unfinished business to take care that we the people do not know about so let us just relax and wait another year and see how it turns out. If it's worse by then, you win. For now, let's not jump the gun, ok?
Terrance Mitchell
Redfield, South Dakota
Jump the gun?! He's already building up the forces there. It's a losing cause and he knows it, so why doesn't he end the wars now? Maybe he can "jump the gun" and do it.
I don't know what's going on in Afghanistan anymore and at this point, I seriously doubt that the Afghans want either the Taliban or US/NATO troops. Maybe he'll come to his senses soon to end the wars, gulp, I hope ?
Terrance Mitchell
Redfield, South Dakota
"The President has unfinished business to take care that we the people do not know about so let us just relax and wait another year and see how it turns out" says an American from South Dakota. We just wait and trust that our leader knows more than we do and so our job is done when a person is elected? That is a pretty weird concept of democracy. I don't want to 'wait another year'. We attacked the sovereign nation of Afghanistan with no just cause or reason. There is no evidence that Osama Bin Laden had ANYTHING to do with 9/11. It has been years and our government can't find a man who has to be on a kidney dialysis machine a few times a week? Not many of those devices in the caves of Afghanistan. Our government has not found him because they want to. They want us to trust the official story of 9/11--that we were attacked by Muslim terrorists. In one of the debates Obama said he will find and kill Osama---no trial, no evidence---just murder. Premeditated murder.
Our President doesn't know better than we the people do. Our nation is on the verge of bankruptcy. We don't have funds to take care of things here in the 'homeland'. What with giving the banksters billions and tax reductions for the wealthy, we don't have extra billions to squander on a war with no purpose and no chance of winning. The British Empire, the military forces of the Soviet Union could not defeat the Afghans protecting their homeland. Send more troops there and get more dead and maimed sent back home to grieving families.
We better 'jump the gun' and throw it to the ground. Guns and bombs will not help us with the mess we are in now. We need to return manufacturing to our nation and put our people to work. We need to tax the very wealthy to fund our social programs.
I once thought as do you that bin Laden had never taken credit for the vents of 9/11. I was shown the error of my ways in that. Nevertheless the way to oust him and capture him is by winning over the people of the two nations most affected not by alienating them further with more troops.
We could have accepted the initial offer of the Taliban to turn him over to any nation that would guarantee no capital punishment; could have saved many lives and much money....
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so." Bertrand Russell
"We could have accepted the initial offer of the Taliban to turn him over to any nation that would guarantee no capital punishment"
Now that's dumb. Had we conceded to the Taliban like India does, the USA would have shown itself to be a full time loser. I can't believe you support the very same Taliban that rapes and kill more women and children. Besides, the Taliban would never bother to hold Osama accountable but then again the US created both the Taliban and the monster that's Osama bin Laden so what's your point?
Terrance Mitchell
Redfield, South Dakota
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"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so." Bertrand Russell
Some good thoughts here, especially those which lead to ACTION. No, we didn't vote for Barack to change useless detrimental war efforts. ACTION.
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Come to New York City on April 4th for peace -- see http://unitedforpeace.org -- the focus will be Martin Luther King Jr. and his opposition to racism, poverty, and militarism.
Don't give up. MAKE OBAMA DO THE RIGHT THING.
Yes, we can -- and we MUST.
Peace hugs,
Kate Anne
Also, what Congressional Democrats do we need to write to?
Eze -- write to your own Congress critters first, even if they are Republican. (They especially need to hear from us.) Writing to them by email is quick but writing to them by snail mail -- to the LOCAL office (Washington DC mail is much delayed due to anthrax attack several years ago) -- is very effective. I sometimes print out my email OR send them articles with comments on them. The more personal/real/sincere, the better. [This one could be printed out and certain things highlighted with magic marker.] AND, it is especially effective TO CALL. Get the name of the aide you speak to and use it. Congressional switchboard: 202-224-3121 and radio's Thom Hartmann maintains toll free numbers at www.CallCongress.org
And of course, the switchboard reaches BOTH houses of congress -- House and Senate.
ALSO, occasional calls to other reps/senators can be effective, helpful -- especially when they are doing committee work you care about. And donate $$ to the best ones, from whatever state.
Peace hugs,
Kate Anne
Point of interest as an aside: I have called Todd Platts (R), rep from the 19th district in PA, and spoken with his staff. I have also written him twice, once via snail mail and once by email. All three times he has replied with a personalized response, not just some form letter. He has also sent me personalized invitations to town meetings, referencing my specific concerns. He also happened to vote AGAINST the first $700 billion bailout of the banks on both votes that were taken. The point is that SOME of them really do listen and respond. I was rather surprised.
d.k.shaw
He is a moderate Republican in a sense. He has been under pressure to switch to conservatism all too often I take it. Here's where I saw his info.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Platts
He makes Herseth look like a Republican sadly although she's not quite a social conservative on some issues. Then again, my state's filled with too many rightwing fundies compared to most of PA.
Terrance Mitchell
Redfield, South Dakota
By golly, Im glad you posted that. Both my Republicans have done the same. They do listen. Well..."some do" as you pointerd out.
I believe it really does help. I would vote for a Republican in a minute (and have) if I thought they would do a better job and cared more for the citizens that elected them.
Interesting. It's tough luck getting the Blue Dog rep, the DLC senator, or the tough partisan Republican senator in my state to listen let alone reconsider. At most they'll give generic replies or procrastinating types such as "we'll look into it ..." but nothing else. We did have a few state legislature Republicans who spoke out against the war in Iraq and even the statewide abortion ban but they were primaried out and replaced with hardcore evangelicals. We're still trying to get a clear cut definition of what it means to be a Democrat in our state.
Terrance Mitchell
Redfield, South Dakota
Hey TM, be glad to send you my Republicans! Although Kay Bailey is running for Gov. next year...and will win.
Ok, so she's well known but what about the Democrats and Independents? Aren't there any good ones out there? Who's running on the Democrat side and the Independent side? She is a tough conservative as I've seen. I used to admire her back when I used to be a conservative Republican but I've lost interest in her. I do like her on the issue of gun ownership rights but that's about it. She sounds too much like a rubberstamp of a Republican. Oh well, like CA, isn't it the legislature that does all the work in the end?
Oh, and thanks for sending those Republicans as long as they aren't far rightists. My state can't really afford any more of them. The moderates have for the most part already been cleansed out so we'll need more of those kinds to lighten the red some. I'm not holding any hope of turning my state blue or green any time soon but I'd love to turn it pink or even purple if you know what I mean.
Terrance Mitchell
Redfield, South Dakota
Thanks. It is great to hear from peace activists on Common Dreams.
Change was never won by the Hopeless.
There is a reason that Afghanistan is called the graveyard of empires.
Just ask Russia, or Britain.
the end of the fight
is a tombstone white
with the name of the late deceased
the epitaph drear
a fool lies here
who tried to hustle the east
-Rudyard Kipliing
Pity poor Pakistan. While the rest of the subcontinent was unaligned in the Cold War (and so despised by the US), Pakistan was the Americans' chosen bulwark against the Soviets. And so it was militarized, and more militarized and better militarized. Not surprisingly it became and remained (with one or two short-lived interludes) a military dictatorship whose main purpose was providing a launching pad for American nuclear missiles aimed at the SU.
And when the SU invaded Afghanistan it was repelled with the help of fervently Muslim volunteers armed by Ronnie Reagan from hideouts on the Pakistan border. See, devout Muslims hated the SU because it was atheist, so they fell in well with the plans of the USA which hated the SU for pretty much the same reasons. And when the goal of freeing Afghanistan for fundamentalist Islam was attained, those imported volunteers turned their skills and arms against the other Great Godless World Power, the same GGWP which had supported them against the SU, because the GGWP had also been attacking and killing Muslims in the Middle East and planting its military bases on the hallowed ground of Arabia.
Surprise!
Rainborowe
Well, well, well. So the plantation slave has finally become the plantation's new owner. And what do we get?
To the world's chagrin, the new master's empire will not only continue expanding, but he's not going to retire the whip.
Yes. Your observation has been fleshed out in great detail in a book by the Brazilian, Paolo Freiere called "The Pedagogy of the Oppressed," which was banned in many countries. One of the basic tenets is that the interests of the oppressors lie in "changing the consciousness of the oppressed, not the situation which oppresses them,"
The wars are the economic crisis.
Your ancestors struggled to raise crops on farms. Your grandparents struggled to build products in factories. Now robots build your dishwashers and cars. Your society is not poor and can afford to buy you a house and give you a reasonable job.
However, the USA has an addiction. It needs to go kill people who raise subsistence crops on farms. OK, they always raise heroin. But that's not why we kill them. The heroin farmers are on our side. Oh, never mind!
Up side he did not name the Taliban as enemy leaving negotiating room.
Very, Very down side,( which I bet not many people heard), he said he was going to INCREASE the NUMBER of people in the MILITARY !!!!!!!!! To take the strain off the ones now in service.
If he is withdrawing from Iraq, he must be planning to esculate Afghanistan tremendously ------ ground invasion of Pakistan , after it just finally became a democracy again( as is our wont to destroy democracies we disagree with)
OR ------- A new War ------ Iran?
Why do so few people calculate the impact of Wars on climate change, the carbon and particular footprint must be huge ---- Think transport and explosions.
FOOL FOOL FOOL FOOL FOOL FOOL
MOBILIZE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Geneva Peace Conference NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Very, Very down side,( which I bet not many people heard), he said he was going to INCREASE the NUMBER of people in the MILITARY !!!!!!!!!"
I would suggest to you that this is the most positive development in years, it will remove the use of most contractors from the military, restore our military to reasonable numbers as its been undermanned for decades. If you look back to 2001, if we had the number of troops we needed in Iraq to start with, none of this would have happened this way.
And to expand the troop levels we will have to end the Iraq occupation and be withdrawing from Afganistan at the very least. Seems a good idea to me.
But, Thomas, where will these new recruits come from?
Our high school hallways (yes, Texas, too) are already filled with Army, Navy and Air Force recruiters smiling while lying to young people to coerce them to enlist.
Is this really the future we envisioned for them?
The U. S. military budget is hugely bloated and our citizens sacrifice their own health care and educations in order to feed it.
Our priorities are completely skewed!!
17,000 more troops? I hope we can put a stop to it!!
The new recruits come from a failing economy of course.
I await President Obama's pronouncements as to from where his two billion in cuts will come. One hopes that a significant portion will come from the Pentagon's bloated budget.
Of course I am a cockeyed optimist.
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so." Bertrand Russell
And I thought he said two trillion....Darn!
oooopppps...He did indeed say Trillion.
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so." Bertrand Russell
Hi Penelope
"But, Thomas, where will these new recruits come from?"
Ah-ha...theres the rub, where indeed? May have to withdraw from Iraq and Afganistan before that expansion can happen. Theres a good idea. Thats something most people are missing, we are at a point where our military is almost broken. It wasn't big enough, thats why I have a 56 year old neigbor in Afganistan (National Guard call back)
He has stated an expansion, he has stated a downsizing of the military budget, its at least a start.
"Our high school hallways (yes, Texas, too) are already filled with Army, Navy and Air Force recruiters smiling while lying to young people to coerce them to enlist."
You guys need to kick them out. We don't allow any of them in the hugh schools here. Call your rep.
"17,000 more troops? I hope we can put a stop to it!!"
Actually it was only 12,000 troops. 5,000 were support staff (I read that as contractors mostly) The thing that bothered me was that he didn't send them from Iraq. That would have started the draw down. And yes our military budget is too big, I'd shave 25% without thinking about it.
Thanks again for posting that recruiting article.
I'm very sure that the recruiters ARE in Texas high schools.
It is mandated by the No Child Left Behind Act (NCLB), that schools allow access to recruiters.
Ask around Texas and let us hear (read) what you learn.
I thought that was just a requirement to give them a list of graduating seniors? I will check on that. If true, just another flaw in NCLB.
More 11:40 ---- The correct number of USA Troops in Iraq was : 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 .
Who said anything about reducing contractors?
Our Military is under manned for what? Civil Unrest or World Domination?
Please try to be critical of the largest and most aggressive war machine in the world.
glenn ford
"Who said anything about reducing contractors?"
Because if you increase troop levels you erase the need for contractors. The reason we have them now is the fact that our military is the smallest its ever been and was understaffed to meet commitments.
"Our Military is under manned for what? Civil Unrest or World Domination?"
To protect our country. It should be evident in the disaster of Iraq. If we had had adaquate troopps at first, none of thisd would likely have happened.....though with the leadership we had you could certainly make a counterargument based on that.
"Please try to be critical of the largest and most aggressive war machine in the world."
Its not. Off the top of my head, China and North Korea have larger armed forces by far.
"Because if you increase troop levels you erase the need for contractors. The reason we have them now is the fact that our military is the smallest its ever been and was understaffed to meet commitments."
Thomas, I doubt that one follows the other. I think that there are two reasons for the outsourcing of the care and feeding of our troops and the duties of guarding sites and personages as we see in Iraq. One being the need to avoid a draft which would have the effect of turning everyone against Cheney's war, and the second is to reward the FOB's who gave such vast amounts of money to the campaigns and retirement funds of the Bush/Cheney administration.
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so." Bertrand Russell
Here's a point on which we both may be right! How bout them apples!!
Blind pigs find the occasional acorn.....
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so." Bertrand Russell
You rat....you left out snowstorm! ........just doesn't have that sonorus tone like snowstorm does.
Our Military is smallest its ever been ? since George Washington?
More troops mean less contractors is T. Moore jumping to an asssmption.
Protect our country from Iraq ??? Hello Earth to T. Moore !!!!!!!!!
I said war machine( not number of troops) and yes we are more aggressive . How many countries does your country invade per decade?
I ask you again try to be critical of the largest and most agressive war machine in the world.
Yours is a defense of death.
glenn ford
"Our Military is smallest its ever been ? since George Washington?"
Good point....I should have said since WW2. Even under Eisenhower we had far more.
"More troops mean less contractors is T. Moore jumping to an asssmption."
Who can get through the day without one good assumption! But yes, assumption though it is, I'd say its a fair guess.
"Protect our country from Iraq ??? Hello Earth to T. Moore !!!!!!!!!"
Hummmm....I don't remeber saying anything about Iraq. I said protect our country. If you think the world is a wonderful place filled with well wishers and we need no defense...Hello, Earth to Mr. Ford.
"said war machine( not number of troops) and yes we are more aggressive . How many countries does your country invade per decade?"
About 1/2 I'd say since WW2....but we aren't as good at it as many other countries, nor are we as fast as most of the older countries were at it. I think our average may be less than some actually.
"I ask you again try to be critical of the largest and most agressive war machine in the world."
While I could certainly discuss where we have gone wrong, mistakes we have made, the last three wars we have engaged in that we shouldn't have... Iraq, Afganistan, Viet Nam....I'd suggest that we aren't nearly the largest military machine, the best, yes, but not the largest....and agressive only in a certain context. Put it this way, if we were truly aggressive, if we truly wanted to create an Empire and dominate the world, who would stop us. That said....I understand what you really mean I think.
as to a defense of death....I can only tell you what I've seen happen to people that don't hasvbe a strong military and I don't believe the world is a bit different than 10 years ago in that respect. Or 20, 0r 30, or 40.
So, what are the best groups in terms of activism for this. Where are the best places to plug in???
Check out Progressive Democrats of America. http://pdamerica.org There's an action alert--second story from the top on the home page.
They've been on this for over a month.
Though infinitely more intelligent than Bush, Obama was well vetted by the empire that chose him. The empire is extremely adept at manipulating those it chooses. Bush was a wooden puppet for them. Obama is a next generation high tech puppet. I believe that he means well. But then so did Bush. He has 'chosen' a cabinet that reflects all the empire's interests. He will continue to support and expand the military complex, as have so many predecessors. He will defer to the empire's clients in continuing bailouts. In relation to Afghanistan: As recently repeated by an ex-CIA analyst who was involved in the endeavor under bot Carter and Reagan: The CIA set the mouse trap to lure the USSR into that Vietnam quagmire in order to accelerate its demise. And it worked. The USA pumped money, arms and encouragement of religious fundamentalists for this purpose. And this began under Carter! Brzezinski, Gates, and others were and continue to be rabidly anti-communist; not because they fear Communism as a military threat, but because it threatens our capitalistic system of 'progressive Democracy' (i.e. the more you have, the freer you are). They should fear it because they and their cronies are at the top of this 'Democracy', and to fall from there can be really painful. Brzezinski, himself, said it best: the Afghan people are pawns, having no innate value other than their function as suits the Empire's goals. And that view is finally coming home to the good ole' US of A. Whatever one might point to as the source of the current economic meltdown, the fact is, it is an inevitable consequence of Capitalism. Many economists are decrying the fact that Americans are doing just the opposite of what is needed to end the crisis: they are not spending like there's no tomorrow. The guiding principle of Capitalism is "More is Better"; that is, one should never be satisfied with having enough. This philosophy of unlimited greed was proudly espoused by Reagan "If the rich become rich enough, it will trickle down to benefit the rest". The flaw in this logic is the word 'enough'. It is blatantly evident that even the richest- especially the richest- will go to any lengths to get more and more- to the point that we are now beginning to see just what lengths they have gone to. This economic meltdown will continue, and to dupe the masses into further acceptance, we will expand the military complex. Hope and Change? Indeed, people who have never had to experience real hope in the comfort of their middle class homes will now begin to hope. But too late. They will be absorbed into the third world pawn vat, while the Empire continues its growth. The empire well knows that Obama's Waterloo will happen. He is yet another puppet. What the Empire may not duly estimate, however, is the mass hatred that will ensue. For, Obama truly did inspire hope. And though he might not wreak nearly the havoc that Cheney et al. have done, he will be hated much more for inspiring such hope in so many- both at home and around the globe.
I take issue with your first assertion. Bush was not ignorant, naive or a dupe... him and his ilk were and are diabolically brilliant. They pulled off a coup and a rape of the American citizen, manipulation of the press, crimes in wide view of the world... and got away with it.
Bush did not "mean well", him and his masters had one goal in their coup and that was to bring down the U.S.... and now the world in order to enact what his father termed "a new world order"... new word for the public but a very ancient plan and agenda.
There's spiritual connotations of this battle that the average liberal or democrat is willfully and happily ignorant about. Be assured that those pulling the strings have a spiritual grounding... a doctrine of light that ironically spreads darkness across the world. Do your research, this is the time that the ancients of all cultures warned about.
Sioux Rose
DJPROF: Excellent post. I agree with your points, and see a further response on the part of a public that sees its assets seriously decimated, one that goes beyond disappointment for collapsed hopes.
Even if Obama was as evil as many here think, he cannot continue the game of war as Bush and many before have done.
After the financial world monetary meltdown everything has changed behind the scenes.
War is expensive and the people are restless for Jobs and a future.
Politically, for a president to survive a move to peace now is to send in more troops so that the peace talks to come will be seen as from a position of strength which is about all the-Military complex is trained to care about... to look big, bad and strong.
Of course this could just lead to a greater wider war also.
But one thing is certain, Obama will not have the money to spend or the confusion about what Debt is doing to the world as Bush had when the USA and Britain lied their way into Iraq and Afghanistan and put the world in more Debt then could be hidden in a hundred years.
You may think Obama will be like Bush but even if he wanted to, everything has changed.
"War is expensive and the people are restless for Jobs and a future."
War is BIG BUSINESS and creates LOTS of JOBS. Guns or butter? Basic economics. Besides, WW II fixed the last Depression. WW III will fix this one. Wait and see.
dc 1:18 there must be a lot of federal trolls out . because people could never be so heartless for free.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of
patriots and tyrants. ....Thomas Jefferson
Until the next false flag.