Still Breathing, A Report from Gaza
The morgues of Gaza's hospitals are over-flowing. The bodies in their blood-soaked white shrouds cover the entire floor space of the Shifa hospital morgue. Some are intact, most horribly deformed, limbs twisted into unnatural positions, chest cavities exposed, heads blown off, skulls crushed in. Family members wait outside to identify and claim a brother, husband, father, mother, wife, child. Many of those who wait their turn have lost numerous family members and loved ones.
Blood is everywhere. Hospital orderlies hose down the floors of operating rooms, bloodied bandages lie discarded in corners, and the injured continue to pour in: bodies lacerated by shrapnel, burns, bullet wounds. Medical workers, exhausted and under siege, work day and night and each life saved is seen as a victory over the predominance of death.
The streets of Gaza are eerily silent- the pulsing life and rhythm of markets, children, fishermen walking down to the sea at dawn brutally stilled and replaced by an atmosphere of uncertainty, isolation and fear. The ever-present sounds of surveillance drones, F16s, tanks and apaches are listened to acutely as residents try to guess where the next deadly strike will be- which house, school, clinic, mosque, governmental building or community centre will be hit next and how to move before it does. That there are no safe places- no refuge for vulnerable human bodies- is felt acutely. It is a devastating awareness for parents- that there is no way to keep their children safe.
As we continue to accompany the ambulances, joining Palestinian paramedics as they risk their lives, daily, to respond to calls from those with no other life-line, our existence becomes temporarily narrowed down and focused on the few precious minutes that make the difference between life and death. With each new call received as we ride in ambulances that careen down broken, silent roads, sirens and lights blaring, there exists a battle of life over death. We have learned the language of the war that the Israelis are waging on the collective captive population of Gaza- to distinguish between the sounds of the weaponry used, the timing between the first missile strikes and the inevitable second- targeting those that rush to tend to and evacuate the wounded, to recognize the signs of the different chemical weapons being used in this onslaught, to overcome the initial vulnerability of recognizing our own mortality.
Though many of the calls received are to pick up bodies, not the wounded, the necessity of affording the dead a dignified burial drives the paramedics to face the deliberate targeting of their colleagues and comrades- thirteen killed while evacuating the wounded, fourteen ambulances destroyed- and to continue to search for the shattered bodies of the dead to bring home to their families.
Last night, while sitting with paramedics in Jabaliya refugee camp, drinking tea and listening to their stories, we received a call to respond to the aftermath of a missile strike. When we arrived at the outskirts of the camp where the attack had taken place the area was filled with clouds of dust, torn electricity lines, slabs of concrete and open water pipes gushing water into the street. Amongst the carnage of severed limbs and blood we pulled out the body of a young man, his chest and face lacerated by shrapnel wounds, but alive- conscious and moaning.
As the ambulance sped him through the cold night we applied pressure to his wounds, the warmth of his blood seeping through the bandages reminder of the life still in him. He opened his eyes in answer to my questions and closed them again as Muhammud, a volunteer paramedic, murmured "ayeesh, nufuss"- live, breathe- over and over to him. He lost consciousness as we arrived at the hospital, received into the arms of friends who carried him into the emergency room. He, Majid, lived and is recovering.
A few minutes later there was another missile strike, this time on a residential house. As we arrived a crowd had rushed to the ruins of the four story home in an attempt to drag survivors out from under the rubble. The family the house belonged to had evacuated the area the day before and the only person in it at the time of the strike was 17 year old Muhammud who had gone back to collect clothes for his family. He was dragged out from under the rubble still breathing- his legs twisted in unnatural directions and with a head wound, but alive. There was no choice but to move him, with the imminence of a possible second strike, and he lay in the ambulance moaning with pain and calling for his mother. We thought he would live, he was conscious though in intense pain and with the rest of the night consumed with call after call to pick up the wounded and the dead, I forgot to check on him. This morning we were called to pick up a body from Shifa hospital to take back to Jabaliya. We carried a body wrapped in a blood-soaked white shroud into the ambulance, and it wasn't until we were on the road that we realized that it was Muhammud's body. His brother rode with us, opening the shroud to tenderly kiss Muhammud's forehead.
This morning we received news that Al-Quds hospital in Gaza City was under siege. We tried unsuccessfully for hours to gain access to the hospital, trying to organize co-ordination to get the ambulances past Israeli tanks and snipers to evacuate the wounded and dead. Hours of unsuccessful attempts later we received a call from the Shujahiya neighborhood, describing a house where there were both dead and wounded patients to pick up. The area was deserted, many families having fled as Israeli tanks and snipers took up position amongst their homes, other silent in the dark, cold confines of their homes, crawling from room to room to avoid sniper fire through their windows.
As we drove slowly around the area, we heard women's cries for help. We approached their house on foot, followed by the ambulances and as we came to the threshold of their home, they rushed towards us with their children, shaking and crying with shock. At the door of the house the ambulance lights exposed the bodies of four men, lacerated by shrapnel wounds- the skull and brains of one exposed, others whose limbs had been severed off. The four were the husbands and brothers of the women, who had ventured out to search for bread and food for their families. Their bodies were still warm as we struggled to carry them on stretchers over the uneven ground, their blood staining the earth and our clothes. As we prepared to leave the area our torches illuminated the slumped figure of another man, his abdomen and chest shredded by shrapnel. With no space in the other ambulances, and the imminent possibility of sniper fire, we were forced to take his body in the back of the ambulance carrying the women and children. One of the little girls stared at me before coming into my arms and telling me her name- Fidaa', which means to sacrifice. She stared at the body bag, asking when he would wake up.
Once back at the hospital we received word that the Israeli army had shelled Al Quds hospital, that the ensuing fire risked spreading and that there had been a 20-minute time-frame negotiated to evacuate patients, doctors and residents in the surrounding houses. By the time we got up there in a convoy of ambulances, hundreds of people had gathered. With the shelling of the UNRWA compound and the hospital there was a deep awareness that nowhere in Gaza is safe, or sacred.
We helped evacuate those assembled to near-by hospitals and schools that have been opened to receive the displaced. The scenes were deeply saddening- families, desperate and carrying their children, blankets and bags of their possessions venturing out in the cold night to try to find a corner of a school or hospital to shelter in. The paramedic we were with referred to the displacement of the over 46,000 Gazan Palestinians now on the move as a continuation of the ongoing Nakba of dispossession and exile seen through generation after generation enduring massacre after massacre.
Today's death toll was over 75, one of the bloodiest days since the start of this carnage. Over 1,110 Palestinians have been killed in the past 21 days. 367 of those have been children. The humanitarian infrastructure of Gaza is on its knees- already devastated by years of comprehensive siege. There has been a deliberate, systematic destruction of all places of refuge. There are no safe places here, for anyone.
And yet, in the face of so much desecration, this community has remained intact. The social solidarity and support between people is inspiring, and the steadfastness of Gaza continues to humble and inspire all those who witness it. Their level of sacrifice demands our collective response- and recognition that demonstrations are not enough. Gaza, Palestine and its people continue to live, breathe, resist and remain intact and this refusal to be broken is a call and challenge to us all.
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Show AllTwo more countries, Qatar and Mauritania, severed diplomatic relations with Israel yesterday.
And if someone were to say, well do you support Palestine's right to exist because they support terrorism I would point out that the average Palestinian person is less complicit in terrorism than the average American or Israeli citizen.
Palestinian militants hold a minority view in Palestine.
While there is a strong anti-war, pro-peace leftist movement in Israel, the Likud party and get tough on terrorism commands majorities in the polls. The US bipartisan political elite overwhelmingly and unquestioningly supports Israels right to kill Palestinians and celebrate surges working "beyond our wildest beliefs."
US and Israeli citizens pay taxes that contribute to the state terrorism apparatus. Though we criticize our governments we are ultimately complicit in the barbarity visited upon other human beings.
Here in the US continue to treat Palestinians (via our Israeli proxy state), Iraqis, Afghans and if one considers our US history an almost unfathomable litany of nations of human beings as insects and murder them in cold blood and we express outrage when chickens come home to roost.
Great points! :)
I just had a really dumb and obvious realization. I do support a peaceable Israel's right to exist. I won't tolerate or accept the Zionist frame that you are either with or against them--and if you are against them you are an anti-semite. Though I loathe nationalism but I do believe Israel has the right to exist.
But I will never support any nation that kills innocent civilians.
If Israel has to keep killing innocent civilians to exist--and really this seems to be a central facet of Zionist political discourse--then it doesn't deserve to exist anymore.
No terrorist nation deserves to exist.
Which is why I'm also hoping that Native Americans reclaim Turtle Island and make it over.
Very, very disturbing article!!! Thankfully I don't have to be reminded
of the Holocaust in Gaza when I turn on my TV now because of the 24/7 coverage
of the Miracle on the Hudson.... (it wasn't a goddamn miracle. it was just
incredible luck. a miracle is when you can turn a bottle of Pabst Blue Ribbon
into a bottle of Heineken) That whole Gaza thing was getting Boring anyway...
I'll tell you what though.... About 10 seconds after Obama is sworn in I'd
be asking him about Gaza.... "You is the President now Barrack so what's
the deal???? You gonna lick the boots of the Israelis like Bush?" MARK MY WORDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The ONLY thing that's gonna change
after Jan 20th, 2009 is there is gonna be a different breed of dog in
the White House...... Have a super day!!!!
Yesterday I was cleaning and had the TV on. It was all about the downed plane and some reporters sitting on a wall making idle chatter about the inauguration train ride. It must be extremely stressful for reporters to have to stretch out two little balls of taffy to such lengths.
Joe
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/01/2009116144139351463.html
Well, Thomas More, can you believe this or do you think Photoshop was used?
Isn't ironic that the Israeli government will be brought to the world court and tried for crimes against humanity. As if they have absorbed the hatred of the Nazis and are now engaging in genocide.
And no- this is not a defensive action on the part of Israel. This is genocide.
This is their version of the holocaust except they think they are on the winning side. and the have become cruel and heartless with thier power, as did the Nazis.
Yet for 60 years, they have learned nothing, absolutely nothing. All who watch this naked brutality will fight the Israeli's but whatever means necessary and this fighting will go on for another 60 years.
Because Israel is delusional.
No, I am not a shill for Hamas. What Israel is doing has little to do with Hamas at this point. This is their version of the shock and awe. And it won't work.
Interestingly, a web site which was recently taken down called for the assassination of the author of this article, along with those of others it deemed friends of the ISM. This web site was in the US.
The Israel Lobby has proven themselves to be murderous thugs. They must be stopped.
I've said it before and I'm going to keep saying it. I believe Israel is trying to be as horrendous as it can to try and goad the extremists to stage another attack on the US. Nothing would make them happier. Google 'the dancing Israelis" I am also convinced that while I don't believe Israel had anything to do with 911 I think they had the intelligence and deliberatly did not share it with us. Their only chance is to have us join them as mortal enemies of the Arab world. The whole world hates them but us and the typical Palestinian woman has 5 kids to and Israeli's 2. The clock is running out and this is their Hail Mary pass. Think about it, wouldn't you the same if you were them?
saphne wrote, "Israel is trying to be as horrendous as it can to try and goad the extremists to stage another attack on the US. Nothing would make them happier."
This makes sense to you? Israel wants to ENCOURAGE terrorism? Are you insane? I don't know where to begin! First of all, the US and Israel are allies. Israel would never harm American citizens. NEVER. Secondly, for the past 60 years Israel has been embroiled in a relentless fight for it's life! Israelis want nothing more than an end to terrorism. All they want is peace and security.
"Google 'the dancing Israelis""
Lies! You are trying to cover up the well-known fact that it was the Palestinians who were dancing in the streets on 911. Israel was one of the first countries to offer their support and condolences to the US on that fateful day.
"I don't believe Israel had anything to do with 911 I think they had the intelligence and deliberatly did not share it with us"
This is a classic smear tactic. You begin by stating the obvious, that Israel had absolutely nothing to do with 911. Then you proceed to link them to 911 anyway. Even though you present not even a shred of evidence to support your claim. Aren't you ashamed of yourself?
Israel would never harm American citizens. NEVER.
Two words: Rachel Corrie.
...the well-known fact that it was the Palestinians who were dancing in the streets on 911...
It is amazing then that three of the 5 people arrested (Sivan and Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari - not very Palestinian names) for celebrating 9/11 appeared on Israeli television to explain that they were sent to document the event. Download the interview here:
http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/video/ForBollynsSpeech11Nov2006_DancingIsraelis.wmv
I do agree with you (how rare is that!) that Israel had nothing to do with 9/11. After all, it was the Mossad report to the CIA that formed most of the Aug 6 2001 briefing to Bush titled "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Laden_Determined_to_Strike_in_U.S.
Never criticize a man until you've walked a mile in their moccasins - Native American proverb.
Israel was founded on terrorism anyways.
Sure, some leaders in Israel want to encourage terrorism. The fear distracts the public from government financial crimes and keeps them get re-elected.
Joe
The tie between 911 and Israel is WAY more ambiguous than you are making it JoeHope:
http://www.antiwar.com/israeli-files.php
Hint Israelis "art students" were spying on Muhammad Atta and other 911 attackers and didn't tell the U.S. of their results an they were indeed seen dancing after 911. Read all of the above articles and learn something JoeHope. And please turn off the MSM from Fox to NPR it's all war mongering mental poison. it is you who ought to be ashamed of himself entering this debate in such an ill informed fashion.
"Six of the "students" were apparently carrying cell phones purchased by a former Israeli vice consul to the United States. According to Le Monde, two of the "students" had traveled from Hamburg to Miami to visit an FBI agent in his home, then boarded a flight to Chicago and visited the home of a Justice Dept. agent, then hopped a direct flight to Toronto -- all in one day. According to Intelligence Online, more than one-third of the students, who were spread out in 42 cities, lived in Florida, several in Hollywood and Fort Lauderdale, Fla. -- one-time home to at least 10 of the 19 Sept. 11 hijackers. In at least one case, the students lived just a stone's throw from homes and apartments where the Sept. 11 terrorists resided: In Hollywood, several students lived at 4220 Sheridan St., just down the block from the 3389 Sheridan St. apartment where terrorist mastermind Mohammed Atta holed up with three other Sept. 11 plotters. Many of the students, the DEA report noted, had backgrounds in Israeli military intelligence and/or electronics surveillance; one was the son of a two-star Israeli general, and another had served as a bodyguard to the head of the Israeli army."
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2002/05/07/students/index1.html
joehope wrote, "Israel would never harm American citizens. NEVER." Never?
If you want to continue your distorted view of reality, then I strongly encourage that you NOT read the following article: "New revelations in attack on American spy ship - Veterans, documents suggest U.S., Israel didn't tell full story of deadly '67 incident"
www.baltimoresun.com/news/world/chi-liberty_tuesoct02,0,6015776.story. I am curious how you will twist the compelling evidence presented in this article.
There are other examples, but this is the most egregious. If you do read, then I fully expect your denial to continue, but reality therapy is a long process.
Actually, israeli intelligence told u.s. that the attacks were coming. I did read and hear that in different places. So what? The u.s. knew it was coming anyway. No big news there.
The u.s. will have military there soon enough because one of the so called truce points is the u.s. will guarantee no arms will be smuggled through, if israel open up Gaza. Maybe this was part of the endgame that israel/us had in mind.
I don't think a u.s. attack would make israel happier. It might make bush and company happier, though. Actually, it would just be a backlash against israel as it would be connected to the carnage in Gaza.
Anyway, i certainly wouldn't do the same if i were, well, ME or anyone other than myself.
peace.
Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:09:06 GMT
Turkey's Prime Minister has called for Israel to be barred from the UN as long as it ignores international calls to stop war on Gaza.
And the Jewish nation's greatest supporter as well?
Humbaba, America and Israel are in bed together. They are cojoined!
Did you see the picture of Tzipi and Condi embracing after the agreement was signed?
If you haven't, check my blog!
www.dangerouscreation.com
"Once back at the hospital we received word that the Israeli army had shelled Al Quds hospital, that the ensuing fire risked spreading and that there had been a 20-minute time-frame negotiated to evacuate patients, doctors and residents in the surrounding houses."
A twenty minute cease fire to evacuate a hospital full of shocked and shattered people, with little undamaged equipment left to accomplish this?
I suppose the medical "terrorists" that were carrying people out at minute twenty-one were subject to sniper fire. I wonder how many were left inside when the shelling and sniping resumed.
I'm an ex-medic and firefighter and know what it takes to evacuate a hospital after something simple like a major earthquake. The mind boggles when you stop to think that ambulances and buses are subject to shellfire and air-to-ground missiles as they leave and stretcher bearers may be shot down by sniper fire!
My analogy is shooting fish in a barrel with a shotgun.
Beyond that, this invasion has engendered a reaction I've not observed before. "Progressives" are seriously split on this attack, some unquestioningly adhering to Israel, and others repulsed. This has generated many leaving established web sites because of failure to discuss the Gaza invasion, or strong supportive of Israel. Nasty feelings have been aired from both sides. Not having observed this previously, my suspicion is Israel is driving many on the left from sympathy with it, perhaps permanently. How this will effect Democrats in Washington, I know not, but I cannot help but believe it will generate a perhaps slow but constant erosion in U.S. support for Israel. This occuring, Israel will be alone. This invasion and massacre is an act of stupidity on Israel's part for this reason, but the Israelis seem beyond reach. Righteousness of self-pitying victimhood is bearing bitter, bitter, fruit.
By "progressives" you must mean mainstream Dimocrapic party supporters like readers at "KOS" and whatnot. Hard left activists who listen to Democracy now and who are involved in the peace, social justice and environmental moments are pretty 100% adamantly opposed to Israel's well documented crimes against humanity.
Yeah, you parsed out my thinking.
War is ugly. Hamas should have considered that when it ignored warnings from us about it's constant missile and mortar attacks. 8 yrs. was enough. No nation on earth would put up with such nonsense. We did but not anymore. Hamas , Hezbollah , Iran only understand strength. We left Gaza we left Lebanon and our reward thousands of Iranian missiles rained down on our northern and southern towns. Hamas wanted to be martyrs, so be it. Such is war.
Israeli,
You want a reward for the war crime of Blockading Gaza after Hamas won the election fairly... a reward for stealing most of the land and then the imprisonment of Gaza and now the slaughter that has been going on for so long.
I'll give you your reward...where do you want it?
But thanks for letting us know that War is ugly.
Your early Zionists wanted to work with Hitler.
Here is why
DAVID BEN-GURION http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
"There was this guy named Hitler, in Germany. Hitler appeared and the Jews began to come. [to Palestine]"
...David Ben-Gurion in Kfar Yedidya, 6 Nov. 1948, Labor Party Archives, Bet Berl, Tsofit
Israel has had the ability to intercept those stupid rockets for a year now but they need them for an excuse to slaughter Gaza.
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/01/israel-thinking.html
Your Zionists think 9/11 was good for Israel... Hitler was good for Israel too. Zionists don't give a damn for Jews or anyone but their own greedy paranoid selves... I hope they change someday.
Israel says it is gonna continue the invasion until the last minute and what do you suppose they mean by that?
What is gonna happen in a few days... It seems they are invading now because they don't trust Obama will reward them.
Well See.
ISRAELI ,
I agree.
Only someone who seeks the destruction of Israel would say she has no right to self-defense.
Obama stands by Israel.
The Democrats stand by Israel.
Many of us here on CD stand by Israel as well.
Only someone who would seek the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians say that Palestinians have no right to self defense.
Does stand by Israel have to mean stand by its genocidal policies?
Only someone who wants to destroy the Palestinian people would deny them THEIR right to defend themselves against Israeli terrorism. It is not the Israelis who live in a concentration camp.
"Many Hasbara shill Johnny come latelys called in by Giyus here on CD stand by Israel as well."
I corrected your post JoeHope, you are welcome. Among old time CD readers who have been here for more than a year I seriously doubt more than 1% support Israel's well documented crimes against humanity.
hootowl wrote, "Among old time CD readers who have been here for more than a year I seriously doubt more than 1% support Israel's well documented crimes against humanity."
Call me names, but I'm no hypocrite.
I support Israel. I always have.
The Democrats are nearly unanimous in their support of Israel.
Obama supports Israel and always has.
He has clearly stated that he supports Israel's military actions from Lebanon to Gaza.
You say only 1% of the CD supports Israel, yet how many here voted for Obama?
I'd say quite a few. And I'll bet a good deal of them are, like myself, proud supporters of Israel. Others are just cynical backstabbers or hypocrites.
If you voted for Obama, but now you're whining because he stands for the same things he did when you voted for him, here's some advice: Grow up!
Not being a hypocrite is not a virtue, Joe.
Hitler wasn't a hypocrite.
Nor were Genghis Khan, Atilla, Mussolini, Pol Pot and a bunch of other folks.
Mostof the time you sound like somebody out of a Ken Kesey novel--who went way too far with drugs and they fried his brain.
Most people here who voted for Obama I'm sure had no idea that he'd fill his cabinet with AIPAC vetted neo-con war mongers, considering he campaigned as an anti war candidate
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/26/us/politics/26obama.html
who for example threw Hillary's vote for the Iraq war in her face on numerous occasions, now he points her as Sec. of State, MF please...
And don't mistake this for a Democrat koolaid drinking site like KOS JoeHope even people who were fooled into Obama like I was are mostly Green supporters trying an experiment, I for example voted for Nader or Leonard Peltier in EVERY Presidential election since 92. Unless Obama pulls a damn miracle with his center right AIPAC zombie cabinet which I doubt I assure you I and most other Dimocrap experimenters here will go back to voting Green 2012. If you think you are going to hoodwink people into supporter Israel just because AIPAC funded Dimocraps do it that will cut little ice among CDs activist base I assure you.
I for one boycotted the election. Should I choose Zionist/Neocon loving warmonger #1 or #2? Neither, thanks.
You, joehope, say you "support Israel." What kind of Israel? One truly democratic state in all the land for ALL the citizens, Palestnian and Jewish? Or two states, with something along the lines of the Geneva Accords? Or do you just support Israel right or wrong in its quest to gobble up the land and rid it of Palestinians. Will you make this clear?
If you do not support one of the practical solutions, than I would say you are NOT a true "supporter." What is happening is not good for the Palestinians OR the Israelis, or the Jews in general. Many of us who are angry with Israel are not anti-Semites. I want equal rights for ALL ordinary people of any background.
But you know what? The REAL anti-Semites are having a field day. Go look at their web sites and all they are presenting as "proof" they are right about the Jews "controlling America." You "supporters" of Zionist crimes are helping their cause. In fact, if were a Jew hater in my heart of hearts, I would POSE as a supporter of beligerant Zionism. Nothing could be worse in the long run for Israelis in particular and Jews in general!
joehope,
Some here have called for an end to name-calling in reference to how people address you. Yet you slander so many here with ad hominem attacks and name calling of your own.
You have discredited yourself and your support for Obama with your infantile rantings and blind, one-sided support of both Obama and Israel. I believe you know what you do, for that is the nature of a troll.
I would say shame on you, but you have none.
No nation on earth should have to put up with Zionists stealing their land and herding them into a tiny strip of land. You Israelis seem to forget that the Original Sin of this entire conflict is your theft of Palestine, your ethic cleaning and your 50+ years of terrorism, upon which your racist state was founded.
Your state then turned Gaza into what the Vatican even called a "concentration camp" and proceeded to starve the Gazans to death. What results did you expect from you EVIL policies?
You multiply your obscene crimes by bombing the desperate people of Gaza, and you have the nerve to whine? Israel has shown its true face. There was no Hamas and no Hezbollah until YOU brought terror to the region. Your Zionist entity is the problem, and most people on Commondreams know that. This is the wrong place for your propaganda!
Manatee, i wouldn't believe that someone is really who they say they are , just because they post under a certain name.
But anyway, on a more specific and personal note, i wouldn't use the Vatican as a reference if i wanted to make a point in almost any matter of morality, although i am horrified as well. But the Vatican also horrifies me on other levels.
Agreed about the Vatican. I am not a Catholic nor a supporter of its leadership. But I am impressed that, unlike the so-called "Christian Zionists," at least the Catholics speaka out.
As far as who "Israeli" is, I don't care. I'm not a manatee either. :) This person is an apologist for Zionist crimes, and that's what I am addressing. Probably I should not be because I am not feeling very reasonable today. I am really angry:
http://uruknet.info/?p=m50891&hd=&size=1&l=e
Manatee, that was a great point! "I'm not a manatee either".
When you are feeling really angry, i would suggest that you express it alone. Try it. Scream and yell about it all. It works the best of anything. I mean it. And you will be amazed at how much clearer your thinking will be.
That is a promise.
I feel sorry for you when you reach the great beyond to face your God and he questions your support of the murder of woman and children. Your answer of "War is ugly" will seem pretty pathetic at that time.
Or perhaps you will be subject more to the wheels of karma and come back as a Palestinian subject to the horrors you now support.
And if you do not believe you have a God to face or there is no karma to pay, then you are simply a racist and a murderer. Have mercy on your soul.
After a time it best to ignore the racists and supremacists that are sent here by MEGAPHONE and other groups to preach their message of hate. Their hatred has consumed them and they are beyond salvage.
I would not enter into a debate with a Nazi from Hitlers Reich because the very act of doing such is acknowledging that persons point of view. I did it once in a pub some 20 years ago , a man smoking a pipe and speaking in his heavy accent of how humans are like cattle and the Germans are indeed the superior race and the slaughter of the Jews was simply a cleansing of the flock. I realized after a time he was not WORTH my anger. He was not WORTH my time.
While it important their message out there and what it is that motivates them, it best we IGNORE the messenger to oblivion.
The ISRAELIS and JOE Hopes and MASSUDS FEED off our reaction to their message of hatred and intolerance.
Stop feeding them.
"Stop feeding them."
Yes, I suppose we should. But also consider that time they spend with us is time they can't spend poisoning others somewhere else. Since most on CD are immune to them, why not give a good run here? Just a thought. ;)
Funny. We should not spend too much time responding to people who are not developing and keep posting the same canned talking points. It clutters up the site. I do not think THEY spend much time here - since critical thinking does not delay the typing. I think some of them copy and paste a lot.
Some response helps sharpen our arguments. The uninformed talking points are evidently widely strewn about by "talking points central" and repeated in the media in place of journalism. It trickles down. You will hear similar arguments from nice people on the street, so it is good to be prepared with friendly and truthful rebuttals.
Joe
Talking points central for Zionist shills is giyus.org
After reading this, my disgust with and contempt for Israel has reached its lowest level (and that's low, I can tell you!).
Yet Israel, backed by America, marches on and continues to trample the Gazans. It is driven by an elitist, racist fanaticism. It will do anything, use any means to achieve its deranged objectives.
As part of any ceasefire it is demanding that America be involved in preventing the Gazans from getting any weapons to defend themselves. America has agreed.
As soon as U.S. army boots touch Palestinian soil, any hope for Palestinian statehood will disappear forever. And so will any hope for peace in the Middle East.
Read more about the looming catastrophe.
www.dangerouscreation.com
More blood and gore than one of the films by ...my favorite director.
And confirms his very dark opinion of people.
Purity of Arms.
Israelis have no regard for non jewish lives.
Ok they may show some concern about pets or wildlife, but only within their borders. No different than someone showing concern for a dog then going to eat a hamburger or giving money to an animal research charity(really tired of people who say: "they care more about animals than humans!" Please get a grip people, non humans have it far far worse)
israel doesnt mind blasting the hell out of those species residing in gaza or the West Bank. People might evacuate their house to escape white phosphorous-but what about the dogs, cats, rats etc.
Back on track-they have no regard for non jewish lives. Its some sort of Biblical chosen people myth coupled with a belief in constant persecution(fueled by jealousy that they are the chosen people of the only God I suspect).
There is a perverse focus on their own suffering.
It is so ingrained in their psyche they can have picnics as a war goes on.
This inst fear of the arab--its contempt for the non jew.
Israeli society is frightening-but I think the zionist supporters outside Israel are almost as bad. They claim to be progressive but seem completely warped by this romantic fantasy idea of a jewish homeland at any cost.
Its like a twisted Frankenstein experiment where you keep killing and torturing bodies to keep a monster alive.
"To be humane is to be cruel, vicious and unrestrained, like humans.
To be inhumane is to be compassionate, restrained, moderate, like non humans."
Amidst all the carnage, thankfully, we have eloquent witnesses testifying to this barbarism. Despite all the tools and propaganda at their disposal, the Israelis have failed to murder the truth. The horror of seeing advanced weaponry being used on a civilian population, in fact being tested on them so that the Israeli defense industry can sell its malevolent wares to repressive governments everywhere, can only be described as Josef Mengele writ large.
The treatment of Palestinians as untermenschen, to provide lebensraum for settlers, pride in committing war crimes, where else can this go? The Palestinians like their oppressors before them, stand alone in the world, while the Empire allows its key henchman to liquidate a population.
The horror of seeing advanced weaponry being used on a civilian population...
And this is what exposes the lie of the pro-gun lobby, who claim that gun ownership is the ultimate deterrent against a tyrannical government.
All I can say to gun-owners is that the NRA has given all your names to DHS, and if push comes to shove, we know who the Govt will shoot/fire bomb first.
Actually, and it is an important connection, the weapons are american. That is one of the points of the u.s. being an accomplice. The money our government gives israel must be used to buy the weapons made by u.s. military industrial complex. Although, who knows what is made where anymore...I think that israel is demonstrating to the world what u.s. weapons can do and how to use them and on whom. That is one perspective of a multi faceted explaination. It is like a showcase. So was iraq, on one level, of course. But then again, they have banned the media, so it seems that maybe it isn't a showcase...Now i am not so sure about that one.
Israel is actually bombing *itself* back to the stoneage. It is pre Hamurabi Code consciousness. An eye for an eye was an evolutionary step several thousand years ago in western history. This carnage is an eye for thousands of human beings. It is a belief in God as punisher, which has never left christianity either. Yes, it is all complete psychopathology. That is the bottom line.
Sioux Rose
READY TO TRANSFORM: When I read powerfully written articles like this one, that spare no detail in showing vividly what is going on, I ask myself how it is possible that people can be taught such hatred and such a limited capacity to recognize the meaning of the life of "other." The weapons are of course the means, but the cause is the antipathy taught from one group to another. Without such antipathy, land COULD be shared. Greed may always be a problem of human nature along with envy, but if religions and nations taught understanding, compassion, and tolerance of differences, they could save lives and all the money wasted on war and its implements. The tragic misuse of understanding and resources in evidence here, in Iraq, and Congo must wound the angels.
Sioux, i sincerely believe that religions and nations - (their leaders) are composed of the same human beings who are doing these things. So i honestly don't think that will be the answer.
As we have both said, it will be about an evolution in consciousness, which will need to happen within individuals. We know that nations and religions are really outlived systems made of unsustainable and in some cases just plain primitive mythology. I will always believe that we need to radically re-envision what it means to be a human being.
Although great teachers have taught over the centuries, our organized religions never get it. True creativity and love cannot be contained within a closed system. We need to stop the knee jerk reactions and stop accepting destructiveness as a solution to survival. It is so obviously not working.
Isn't it amazing that we have this incredibly beatiful planet and each other and have created what you have spoken about? How pathological is that? I think it is because we have deep beliefs or assumptions that are just plain wrong.
Yours truly.
Sioux Rose
READY TO TRANSFORM: This post lives up to your well-chosen screen name. I particularly resonate with the idea of "re-invisioning" the human being. In my way I am working towards that, as the emphasis on ONE RIGHT WAY to live, believe and behave has turned person against person. Think of the witch hunts which were supported by the church which WAS the state, i.e. government, for centuries. Persons were merely accused of thus and so, and often burned for no real evidence at all. It was all prejudice, envy and hearsay. Thus the astro-logos, heaven's model, relates TWELVE viable perspectives or pathways for living. Charles Fillmore, the Founder of Unity Church referred to the "12 powers of mankind," and my best friend Leslie sees it as "gifts." The amazing thing is the spiritual version of anatomical linkages in that these various (12) drives, interface in such a way as to create a dynamic, living mosaic... and as I like to share, offer the ways and means to contain (if not corral) Mars. Society has reinforced Mars, the interests of the individual, competitions over sports scores, test scores, incomes, etc. And worked to turn person ON person. Also, the religious bases for rules encourages ONE set of acceptable behaviors, so that as my father, a left-handed individual was FORCED to write with his right hand, societies have FORCED numerous unnatural behaviors on "the flock" to keep it in line. This is one aspect human beings inwardly repress and then their anger at NOT living true to themselves, i.e. those gifts earlier mentioned, leads to massive waves of angst, the raw fuel of aggression as necessary as oil to make the war machine roll.
Sioux, i definitley agree that "not being true to ourselves" is key. In fact, i have found it to be the essence of all true 'guilt'. If you think about it, we are meant to express our unique individuality in a way that doesn't inflict harm to others. I think that is the bottom line.
Easy to say, but hard to do. However, i also have found that if a person is truly being more of him/herself, then they are less likely to harm others, as you have said. That is because, by being true to oneself (and here you would have to assume that human nature isn't evil, as per religious mythologies), you feel more inner peace, because you are not betraying yourself. And in not betraying yourself, you are not betraying others. It is all connected of course.
We betray the higher expression of our human beingness when we are destructive. And so, it creates more anxiety and fear and anger. So, we see with israel. The anxiety and fear will increase. Everyone knows, underneath all rationalizations, that you can't harm others without harming yourself. It is just wired into our psyches underneath all the more primitive mythologies we have created over centuries of time.
But back to israel--of course this will make them all the more fear driven, because obviously they are more hated now. So, it can be easily predicted that they will have some major crisis to deal with. They are acting out in a very pathological way, and i am inclined to think it is a kind of mass self destructiveness in the end.
Sioux Rose
READY TO TRANSFORM: I support all the points you've made. (We'd make for a good combo on a live progressive radio show!) Here's another important element to add to the dastardly mix. BECAUSE as a trans-medium put it to me, "a great many people seek oblivion, an end to it all," there are LOTS of minds/mental projections fueling the flames of hatred in the middle East. Besides the programming in terms of sports scores and winning/losing teams, there is also the problem of those that DO believe in End Times, and worse still, see this as God's will. They think the bloody battle in Jerusalem will establish the one true god, and 'his' followers will rise up or ascend to heaven. Do these dingbats ever wonder how boring eternity would be sitting next to some old guy with angels playing harps? I'll take the theory of reincarnation, the never ending spiral of lifetimes that gradually refine human spiritual matter, as the alchemists sought to turn lead into gold... over that version of eternity.
In any case, we KNOW that mental projections hold power, and moreso when they accumulate in vast numbers. This is why I advocate for spiritual souls to envision the OPPOSITE, to SEE Israelis and Palestinians FARMING together, repairing what hate tore asunder for the sake of ALL their (and our) children. Nor is this the only major wound pulsing blood into the collective unconscious and/or the news. Self-acceptance, the antidote to "original sin" when put into motion in societies that HONOR life is a wondrous thing, and just as Gandhi replied to the question, "What do you think of Western civilization," "I think it WOULD be a good thing," we haven't yet become civilized, nor tried versions of social engagement where acceptance rather than judgment and harsh punishments await individuals, particularly those brave enough to venture into new turf. Society needs its imaginative minds, its inventors and visionaries as much as its teachers, healers, and pragmatists. That is why the circle with its different portals of perspective is such a compelling map to human potentials, and the means to peace among tribes.
Sioux, I am ready for the radio if you are! I mean it.
I totally agree with all you've said here. Also, i will just add that part of the primitive mythology is the belief that punishment is justice. "an eye for an eye" is quite backward thinking. It is based on misunderstanding of reality and how it operates. Christianity spoke about a God that doesn't punish, but never evolved to really getting it. So it is just airy fairy lip service, in so many ways.
I wrote somewhere on a post that i think israel really pisses people off also because they don't try to couch what they do in anything altruistic. It is pure , albeit pathologically destructive, survivalism. The u.s., and other 'Christian' based nations use democratization as an excuse. Conversion for the 'good of your soul'. Like we are doing you a big favor by torturing you (goes back to the inquisition, etc.) So, colonialism and genocide were like doing the world a big favor.
Israel does it with a very different perspective. What do you think?
Sioux Rose
Vengeance is mine sayeth the lord. The eye for an eye is an Old Testament primitive extracting of "justice," and Christ taught turning the other cheek. When Bush, ad "avowed" Christian used 911 to juxtapose the former for the latter, I knew something was rotten in Denmark and that the smell was just about to begin. Chavez understood the nature of that stink, whatever his particular delusions of grandeur.
I think teaching the law of karma, the Buddhist approach, would be a great thing and a means for overcoming this who's right, who's wrong, who's to punish, who's to blame idiocy that passes for modernity or viable current pretext, philosophy and protocol. Sometimes I wonder if the human race will come to this, or if the slate will be wiped clean (a la Atlantis) and when the earth recovers like an overworked single Mom, another attempt at homo sapiens will begin a new. Don't you find it comical that so many who purport to have an understanding of human nature base all of their conjecture on less than 2500 years of documented history, ALL of it either under the Age of Aries (when Mars did rule) and that of Pisces, when deception and distortion maintained the old ways (Old Testament "justice") but gave it the more optimistic endorsement of Jesus, the real man from Hope.
It's clear that the Israeli response is pathological, including self-righteousness so thick you'd need a hacksaw to get through it. This is deliberate genocide and punishment of civilians. Hitler is cheering: "See? Didn't we show you how to do it?"
android bierce,
That is a sick thing to say.
6 million Jews were murdered by Hitler.
There aren't even that many Palestinians in the Palestinian Territories.
What is truly pathetic is how many of the so-called progressives posters here are shilling for Hamas, and then claiming they aren't being antisemitic by doing so.
That's like saying you can support the KKK and not be a racist.
Genocide is the stated goal of Hamas.
Article 7 of the Hamas Covenant states the following: "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharqad tree would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."
And how does Hamas justify killing all the Jews?
Article 32 of the Covenant makes reference to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion:
"Today it is Palestine, tomorrow it will be one country or another. The Zionist plan is limitless. After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."
I always worry when well-meaning people accept translations verboten even though they have no training in the other language. E.g., how would you translate the Persian Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad?
My point here is that any western translation of the Hamas Covenant should be viewed suspiciously, unless your are absolutely certain that the translator harbors no agenda. In this respect, I trust only UN GA translators.
Answer to above question: Native Persians with English translate it into something like: "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time". However, the West unanimously translated the Persian above to always read: "Israel must be wiped off the map."
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/norouzi.php?articleid=11025
Never criticize a man until you've walked a mile in their moccasins - Native American proverb.
Hey Joe of no Hope,
Your Old Testament has a lot more bloody tales of ethnic Cleansing... why should not many Moslems be that different after you took their land and butcher the civilians of Gaza?
Hamas wants to make peace with Israel now. Will Israel make peace with Hamas?
Or are you just shilling for the Zionists?
Yes, genocide is the stated goal of Hamas.
And how does that justify the shelling of civilians, children, girls seeking refuge in hospitals and schools?
Would you consider it acceptable for someone who opposes the actions of the Israeli government to want to kill all Jews?
How about someone who opposes Bush, who wants to kill all Americans?
At least you admit that the goal of Hamas is genocide.
BUt to imply that it is the goal of Israel is absurd. If for no other reason than because if that was Israel's goal, Israel has the military strength to have accomplished that goal years ago.
"And how does that justify the shelling of civilians, children, girls seeking refuge in hospitals and schools? "
In any war, there will be civilian causalities. That is a regrettable yet undeniable reality. However, Hamas is cowardly using civilians as human shields. They want Israel to make mistakes that result in the accidental killing of civilians, so that they can use it against Israel for propaganda purposes. That's why they use human shields. They have effectively turned the Gaza situation into a hostage crisis with the Palestinian people as the hostages. Like I said, civilian causalities are inevitable. But Israel does everything it can to use surgical strikes to minimize any collateral damage. Unlike Hamas.
"Would you consider it acceptable for someone who opposes the actions of the Israeli government to want to kill all Jews?
How about someone who opposes Bush, who wants to kill all Americans?"
No. Absolutely not. There is no excuse for genocide or terrorism. Ever.
No, not sick at all.
What is sick is you, joehope. You and your epithets of anti-semitism when many rational arguments have been made against the slaughter that Israel has and is visiting on Palestinian civilians.
I think hitler probably is in an entirely different dimension at this point, but that is not to diminish your point at all, Android.
I think that in the end, hitler didn't succeed in killing all jewish individuals (although he did wipe out so many, including family members i've never known), but he may have accomplished wiping out judaism as a prophetic tradition and as one of a system of ethics and justice, as per zionist fundamentalism. Which is why we see so many fundamentalist christians on the band wagon. They far outnumber the jews, in fact.
I just found out about a group called "jews against zionism" on Democracy Now. They shut down the israeli embassies in L.A. and San francisco the other day.
Their website is well worth checking out.
THANKS READYTOTRANSFORM
I did't know there were so many when I googled Jews against Zionism
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
Thanks
Yikes, Jim Glover, i made a mistake! But you found a site i didn't know about.
The one i saw on Amy Goodman's show was International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network. They are a whole different type of group than the one you found. But, maybe it was no 'accident', :-)
Check out the one i just gave you, though....
Regards.
Interestingly, David Ben Gurion, Israel's first prime minister, said, referring to the
Palestinians (as quoted by Nahum Goldmann in The Jewish Paradox): "There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"
No, the Palestinians had nothing to do with the Nazis or with anti-semitism, but the Zionists took their land anyway. And now? And now? Now we have worms mouthing the propagandists lies that Israel is merely defending itself.
Incredible, what propaganda does to weak minds. Incredible.
This becomes more then sickening. . Patients and doctors and nurses forced to evacuate as the "Most Moral army in the World" shells and sets ablaze Hospitals.
90 percent of Israelis SUPPORT these attacks as per polls. Indeed a popular picnic destination is a park on a rise of ground that allows people to watch the unfolding disaster from afar and cheer it on.
Yet we have Politicos claim "Israel text messages its victims telling them where they will strike next. Is this not proof as to how MORAL they are?"
Yeah, and Hitler dropped leaflets on the British (as did the Americans on Vietnamese) prior to the Blitzkrieg. Does that make Hitler moral?
From the beginning of the attack on Gaza, the image embedded in my mind is of cattle trapped in a small corral, and machine gun-wielding "cowboys" straddling the fence all around opening fire on them.
Don't forget to add that the "cowboys" are laughing and enjoying the "show".
Yes, shockingly true:
http://news.antiwar.com/2009/01/12/israeli-sightseers-flock-to-border-to-watch-gaza-killings/
Israeli Sightseers Flock to Border to Watch Gaza Killings
Picnicking on Hill Overlooking Gaza, Israelis Engage in World's Creepiest Spectator Sport