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Gates and the Urge to Surge
It may become a biennial ritual. Every two years, if the commander-in-chief (or the commander-in-chief-elect) says he wants to throw more troops into an unwinnable war for no clear reason other than his political advantage, panderer-in-chief Robert Gates will shout "Outstanding!"
Never mind what the commanders in the field are saying - much less the troops who do the dying.
After meeting in Canada on Friday with counterparts from countries with troops in Afghanistan, Defense Secretary Gates emphasized to reporters there is a shared interest in "surging as many forces as we can" into Afghanistan before the elections there in late September 2009.
At the concluding news conference, Gates again drove home the point, "It's important that we have a surge of forces."
Basking in the alleged success of the Iraq "surge," Gates knows a winning word when he hears one - whether the facts are with him or not. Although the conventional wisdom in Washington credits the "surge" with reducing violence in Iraq, military analysts point to other reasons - including Sunni tribes repudiating al-Qaeda extremists before the "surge" and the de facto ethnic cleansing of Sunni and Shiite neighborhoods.
In Washington political circles, there's also little concern about the 1,000 additional U.S. soldiers who have died in Iraq since President George W. Bush started the "surge" early in 2007. The Americans killed during the "surge" represent roughly one-quarter of the total war dead whose numbers passed the 4,200 mark last week.
Nor is there much Washington commentary about what Bush's grotesque expenditure in blood and treasure will mean in the long term, even as the Iraqis put the finishing touches on a security pact that sets a firm deadline for a complete U.S. military withdrawal by the end of 2011, wording that may be Arabic for "thanks, but no thanks."
And most Americans do not know from reading the reports from their Fawning Corporate Media that the "surge" was such a "success" that the United States now has about 8,000 more troops in Iraq than were there before the "surge" rose and fell.
The real "success" of the Iraq "surge" is proving to be that it will let President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney leave office on Jan. 20, 2009, without having to admit that they were responsible for a strategic disaster. They can lay the blame for failure on their successors.
Gates a Winner?
Gates stands to be another beneficiary of the Iraq "surge."
Already, he has the Defense Secretary job. In November 2006, he was plucked from the relative obscurity of his Texas A&M presidency and put back into the international spotlight that he has always craved because he was willing to front for the "surge" when even Donald Rumsfeld was urging Bush to start a troop drawdown.
Now, the perceived "success" of the "surge" is giving hawkish Washington Democrats an excuse to rally around Gates and urge President-elect Barack Obama to keep him on.
Ever an accomplished bureaucrat, Gates is doing what he can to strengthen his case.
On Friday, Gates seemed at pains to demonstrate that his approach to Afghanistan is identical to the one publicly espoused by his prospective new employer who is currently reviewing Gates' job renewal application. And, as he did with the Iraq "surge" over the past two years, Gates now is talking up the prospects for an Afghan "surge."
"The notion that things are out of control in Afghanistan or that we're sliding toward a disaster, I think, is far too pessimistic," Gates said. Yet the argument that Gates used to support his relative optimism makes us veteran intelligence officers gag - at least those who remember the U.S. in Vietnam in the 1960s, the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 1980s and other failed counterinsurgencies.
"The Taliban holds no land in Afghanistan, and loses every time it comes into contact with coalition forces," Gates explained.
Our Secretary of Defense is insisting that U.S. troops have not lost one pitched battle with the Taliban or al-Qaeda. Engagements like the one on July 13, 2008, in which "insurgents" attacked an outpost in Konar province, killing nine U.S. soldiers and wounding 15 others, apparently do not qualify as "contact," but are merely "incidents."
Gates ought to read up on Vietnam, for his words evoke a similarly benighted comment by U.S. Army Col. Harry Summers after that war had been lost. In 1974, Summers was sent to Hanoi to try to resolve the status of Americans still listed as missing. To his North Vietnamese counterpart, Col. Tu, Summers made the mistake of bragging, "You know, you never beat us on the battlefield." Colonel Tu responded, "That may be so, but it is also irrelevant."
As Vietnamese Communist forces converged on Saigon in April 1975, the U.S. withdrew all remaining personnel. Summers was on the last Marine helicopter to fly off the roof of the American Embassy at 5:30 a.m. on April 30. As he later recalled, "I was the second-to-the-last Army guy out of Vietnam -- quite a searing experience."
More Vietnams?
Why is this relevant? Because if Obama repeats the mistakes of Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, and Gerald Ford, U.S. Marine choppers may be plucking folks not only off the U.S. embassy roof in Baghdad, but also from the mountains and valleys of Afghanistan. No ignoramus, Gates knows that his comments about the Taliban losing "every time" that there is contact with coalition forces is as irrelevant as those of Col. Summers 34 years ago.
Yet, it would be folly to expect Gates to give advice to a superior that challenges the policies that Gates thinks his superior favors. Gates has been the consummate career careerist, going back to his days as head of analysis at CIA in the 1980s when he fashioned intelligence reports that gave the policymakers what they wanted to hear. Instead of the old-fashioned "bark-on" intelligence, the Gates variety was "apple-polished" intelligence.
Time Running Out for Gates
He wants to stay on as Defense Secretary and apparently thinks that his life-long strategy of telling his superiors what they want to hear will now work with Barack Obama. Gates is nearing the end of a highly sophisticated campaign to convince Obama and his advisers that the current Defense Secretary is just who they need at the Pentagon to execute Obama's policies - and look really bipartisan to boot.
The President-elect's position has long been that we need to send "at least two additional brigades" (about 7,000 troops) to Afghanistan. So the Defense Secretary would have us believe, as he said Friday, that "surging as many forces as we can" is an outstanding idea. And with troops having to leave Iraqi cities by next June, in the first stage of the U.S. withdrawal demanded by the draft status-of-forces agreement, there will be more soldiers available to send into the mountains of Afghanistan. Don't you love it when a plan comes together?
Ironically, this resembles closely the proposed policy of Sen. John McCain, who argued during the debate with Obama on Sept. 26 that "the same [surge] strategy" that Gen. David Petraeus implemented in Iraq is "going to have to be employed in Afghanistan." For good measure, Gov. Sarah Palin told Katie Couric "a surge in Afghanistan also will lead us to victory there, as it has proven to have done in Iraq."
Reality Bites
Oops! Within a week, Gen. David McKiernan, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan undercut McCain and Palin, insisting emphatically that no Iraq-style "surge" of forces will end the conflict in Afghanistan. Speaking in Washington on Oct. 1, McKiernan employed unusual candor in describing Afghanistan as "a far more complex environment than I ever found in Iraq." The country's mountainous terrain, rural population, poverty, illiteracy, 400 major tribal networks, and history of civil war make it a unique challenge, he said.
"The word I don't use for Afghanistan is 'surge,'" McKiernan continued, adding that what is required is a "sustained commitment" to a counterinsurgency effort that could last many years and would ultimately require a political, not military, solution. McKiernan added that he doubts that "another facet of the Iraq strategy" - the U.S. military's programs to recruit tribes to oppose insurgents - can be duplicated in Afghanistan. "I don't want the military to be engaging the tribes," said McKiernan.
Recently, President-elect Obama has been relatively quiet on Afghanistan, and one lives in hope that before he actually commits to sending more brigades to Afghanistan he will assemble a group of people who know something about that country, the forces at play in the region, and insurgency. If he gathers the right people, and if he listens, it seems a good bet that his campaign rhetoric about Afghanistan being the good war will remain just that, rhetoric.
In any event, press reports suggest that Gates has only another week or so left to pretend to the President-elect that he thinks the ideas reflected in Obama's rhetoric are outstanding. And, as Gates' predecessor Rumsfeld might have put it, you have to go with the rhetoric you've got. Right now, the word "surge" brings nods of approval at influential dinner parties in Washington.
What does Gen. McKiernan know, anyway? Gates' Pentagon says that McKiernan now has requested three additional brigade combat teams and additional aviation assets. And yet, he says he's allergic to a "surge"?
If past is precedent, Gen. McKiernan already realizes he has little choice but to salute smartly, do what he is told, and not diverge from what inexperienced civilians like Gates are promoting. After all, didn't McNamara know best in the early days of Vietnam and didn't Rumsfeld know best at the start of the Iraq War?
As the saying goes, if you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail. If you are a general assigned a mission - though it appear to be Mission Impossible - you salute smartly and use those troops entrusted to you to do what armies do. At least that has been the tradition since Vietnam. Such behavior is a disgrace, when generals know better.
Ambitious, but Empty Suits
I'm all for civilian control of the military. But I see much more harm than good in political generals - like the anointed David Petraeus - who give ample evidence of being interested, first and foremost, in their own advancement. Why do I say that? Because Petraeus, like McKiernan, knows Afghanistan is another quagmire. But he won't say it.
Rather than do the right thing and brief his superiors on the realities of Afghanistan, Petraeus and the generals he has promoted seem likely to follow the time-honored practice of going along to get along. After all, none of them get killed or wounded. Rather the vast majority get promoted, so long as they keep any dissenting thoughts to themselves.
It is the same pattern we witnessed regarding Vietnam. Although the most senior military brass knew, as the French learned before them, that the war/occupation could not be successful, no senior officer had the integrity and courage to speak out and try to halt the lunacy.
Are There Army Generals With Guts?
It will be interesting to see what McKiernan actually does, if and when more troops are surged down his throat. If he has the courage of his convictions, maybe he'll quit...and perhaps even say something.
As a former Army officer, I would love to see an Army general display the courage that one saw in Admiral William Fallon, former commander of CENTCOM, who openly refused to "do Iran" on his watch, and got cashiered for it. Two years ago, Army Generals John Abizaid and George Casey, speaking on behalf of their senior commanders in the field, pushed back strongly against the idea of adding more U.S. troops to those already in Iraq. They finally succeeded in persuading former Defense Secretary Rumsfeld of the merits of their argument.
It was when Rumsfeld himself started to challenge the advice Bush was getting (to "surge" and thus not "lose" Iraq on his watch) that Robert Gates was brought in to replace Rumsfeld, relieve Abizaid and Casey from command, and help anoint Gen. Petraeus as surge-savior. (For details on Rumsfeld's break with Bush, see Consortiumnews.com's "Robert Gates: As Bad as Rumsfeld?")
But rather than speak out, Abizaid folded his tent like an Arab and silently stole away. Casey accepted the sinecure of Army chief of staff as hush money. And a thousand more U.S. troops died. The temporary respite provided by the 29,000 troops who survived the surge helped achieve the administration's main purpose - deferring the inevitable U.S. troop withdrawal (not in "victory" as Bush liked to say, but by demand of the Iraqi government) until Bush and Cheney were safely out of office.
As for Gates, what he does not know about Afghanistan and insurgency could fill a medium-sized library. So could what Gates does know about how to ingratiate himself with the next level up.
If it is true that serious consideration is being given to keeping Gates on past January, it will be interesting to see if the pandering padding of his résumé eventually wins the day with the President-elect.


40 Comments so far
Show AllObviously the Merchants of Death in the US, UK and Israel want to keep a good scam going.
Why should their obscene war profits suffer just because America 'elected' another POTUS?
So now Gates is saying (according to Antiwar.com) that despite the terrible economic crisis we're in, there is no excuse whatsoever to stop the war in Afghanistan. If Obama really means to keep him on as head of The War Department he'd do better picking Barney, George Wanker Bush's dog who recently bit a reporter who was trying to pat him on the head.
Why does everyone hate Gates?
I understand why they hated Rumsfeld.
He was incompetent.
But what has Gates done that is so awful?
Even if you (rightfully) oppose the war, you have to admit, Gates is just following orders. It's up to the President to end a war, not his Secretary of Defense. He's just doing his job, which is to win the war. Personally, I feel we should complement him for not being as incompetent as Rumsfeld. Can we all agree he's an improvement? Specifically, how would you improve Gates performance? Because, honestly, from a strategic POV, I can't see what he's doing wrong.
Joe Hope: "You are what your record says you are." is a great quote from journalist Earl Caldwell (who can be found on WBAI www.wbai.org "Caldwell's Chronicle").
Robert Parry has been following Robert Gates' career for decades. Parry writes on Consortium News www.consortiumnews.com and has been on DemocracyNow several times talking about Robert Gates. Transcripts of Parry speaking about Gates are on www.democracynow.org
He was speaking about Gates within the last ten days. Also, within that time, Parry was a guest on "Talk Back" with Hugh Hamilton, WBAI www.wbai.org and the show is archived for 90days, free, online. Parry outlines Gates' long history in short interviews.
NYCartist,
From Democracy Now (your sources),
MELVIN GOODMAN: "Bob Gates has always been really a political windsock in these matters in serving the interest of his masters."
"Bob Gates will serve a master"
"Bob Gates is a very loyal and obedient servant to his master. "
Gates will serve Obama. Gates will have Obama as a master. Don't you trust Obama?
All that stuff about Gates being involved in Iran-Contra or selling chemical weapons to Iraq is just unproven speculation barely rising above the level of gossip or rumor. If Gates had actually been involved in any of that, Obama's vetters would have found out and removed him from consideration for Secretary of Defense.
Joe Hope, That's an incomplete answer in re your quote. Read Robert Parry. Unless you have your mind made up already. So why'd you ask the original question?
I didn't alter his meaning, the full quote he means the same thing, that Gates is a loyal servant who follows orders. I responded to Parry's allegations, they are unproven speculation, are they not? If they are true, take him to court and prosecute him. If they aren't true, it's libel and slander. You failed to respond why none of these supposedly true allegations would bother Obama's vetters. Besides, I asked the original question in the context of Iraq, not decades-old scandals. What has Gates done wrong as Secretary of Defense? Why shouldn't Obama keep him? You said to read Robert Parry, I will, but must I read everything he's ever written? Could you be more specific? I read his interview on Democracy Now. I was not impressed.
That Pres GW Bush is a war criminal and has committed crimes against the Human Race is incontrovertible, doesn't mean a thing, nobody is going to prosecute him either.
The only thing we can Hope for Joe is that there is such a thing as heaven and hell and that he (GWB) and all his enablers ROAST IN HELL for all eternity.
Obama has certainly made very disappointing choices so far. Gates was another.
Sophie Scholl-The Final Days
Joe:I gave my replies. I also read your other comments.
Obama is not a master, but an overseer for Master. You are such an obedient slave to Master and his overseer. No wonder Gates and the rest of Obama's appointments present such wondrous auras for you. If Obama's vettors were any good and not part of the same criminal structure, we wouldn't be seing such a seemless transition from fascism on the right to fascism on the left.
In the words of that great statesman, Forrest Gump, "Stupid is as stupid does."
"Stupid is as stupid does."
You know your talking about a big chunk of the population don't you?
Rickster
It is little understood that SOFA is likely to become a principal victim of the "surge" in Iraq. Yes, SOFA may pass next week but it has already become the focal point of Shiite anxiety, protest, and strengthened insurgency.
The "pact" between Petraeus and Sunnis which was at the core of the "surge" is viewed with suspicion by Shiite leaders. Will a Sunni leader be groomed by the CIA between now and 2012 to succeed Saddam Hussein? Don't laugh!
McGovern has clearly demonstrated that there can be no "pact" with a single Afghan clan because there are too many Afghan clans and history has shown that no clan by itself can rule the country. Karzai's failed government is no exception and he hails from one of the prominent clans. For the same reasons there is no Afghan National Army now and there will be none in the foreseeable future. Hence there will not be an Afghan Army to be trained by our specialists. I doubt that there will even be an effective police force other than the traditional, local, clan-based "enforcers".
If there was ever a "stupid" war it is the one in Afghanistan. It is, in fact, stupider than the one in Iraq.
If you believe that Obama is an expert on "stupid" and "clever" wars, his Afghan policy shows me that he does not have a clue.
Afghanistan is a classic "tar baby".
Obama's announced plans to expand the "stupid" war in Afghanistan is far more frightening to me than his rumored appointment of Gates at Defense. What is on Obama's war vs. peace mind that counts for all of us today.
Time for citizen "noise" getting louder.
Everyone hated Rumsfeld because he had no strategy for victory. He held our troops back from doing the type of operations necessary to win the war. Then Gates came along and implemented a winning strategy - the surge. Yet the left still opposes him. Why? The surge worked. Iraq is achieving stability for the first time in years. Obama admitted that the surge suceeded beyond our wildest dreams. The Iraq war is finally ending. I feel Obama is smart to keep someone as experienced as Gates in his cabinet. Let's give Gates some credit for ending the war, he's no Rumfeld, he deserves our praise, not our admonishment.
Sioux Rose
JOE HOPE if you don't start getting your news/info from non-mainstream media, your name will officially be altered in this forum to Joe Dope. Enough of the propaganda, already.
I read Utne Reader, Mother Jones, The Nation, and CD, for starters. And I watch Olberman and Maddow. How's that?
BTW it's just like a Naderite to resort to petty name-calling. Grow up. Enough with your anti-Obama, extreme-left propaganda, already.
Sioux Rose
To call something what it IS is not name-calling. OThers in this forum have sought to educate you with the facts. How you have read those sources and still sound like a one-track pony/propagandist is beyond me. I will have faith when I see ACTS demonstrated, not cronyism. This nation has had enough of it. Ditto pandering to the military industrial complex, and/or nuclear power, and/or Israel's apartheid policies. I do WANT change I can believe in. Your hope doesn't float.
Well said Sioux Rose.
I rarely respond to characters like 'Joe Dope'. Automaton bleating of the same old lines deserves nothing more than ridicule.
It is clear that a large number of Obama supporters are no different than Bush II supporters. Critical thinking and informed opinion are alien to them, repetition of hackneyed lines is all they offer. They know nothing of free thought because they've not developed the ability to think freely for themselves. In fact they are modern day slaves, enslaved by their own lazy minds, minds that are full of empty slogans and shallow nationalistic patois.
Unquestioning support for any candidate is a bad idea.
Quote: Then Gates came along and implemented a winning strategy - the surge. Yet the left still opposes him. Why? The surge worked. Iraq is achieving stability for the first time in years. Obama admitted that the surge suceeded beyond our wildest dreams."
Wrong.
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The ‘surge’ involved a US campaign to disarm Sunni Arabs in Baghdad, This in turn allowed Shiite militias to ethnically cleanse hundreds of thousands of Sunnis...
Satellite imaging that shows Sunni Arab neighborhoods in Baghdad dark gives evidence that the ethnic cleansing of the Sunnis by Shiite militias accounts for the fall in violence in Baghdad, not the extra troops Bush sent, called the 'surge.'
'Night light in neighborhoods populated primarily by embattled Sunni residents declined dramatically just before the February 2007 surge and never returned, suggesting that ethnic cleansing by rival Shiites may have been largely responsible for the decrease in violence for which the U.S. military has claimed credit, the team reports in a new study based on publicly available satellite imagery. "Essentially, our interpretation is that violence has declined in Baghdad because of intercommunal violence that reached a climax as the surge was beginning," said lead author John Agnew, a UCLA professor of geography and authority on ethnic conflict. "By the launch of the surge, many of the targets of conflict had either been killed or fled the country, and they turned off the lights when they left." The night-light signature in four other large Iraqi cities — Kirkuk, Mosul, Tikrit and Karbala — held steady or increased between the spring of 2006 and the winter of 2007, the UCLA team found. None of these cities were targets of the surge. Baghdad's decreases were centered in the southwestern Sunni strongholds of East and West Rashid, where the light signature dropped 57 percent and 80 percent, respectively, during the same period.'
http://www.juancole.com/2008/09/sunni-baghdad-dark-on-satellite-kagan.html
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...The Sunni Arab guerrilla movement has clearly regrouped outside Baghdad and is deploying high explosives with deveastating effect in Diyala, Salahuddin, Ninevah and Kirkuk provinces, to the northeast and due north of Baghdad.
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...Obama ...said to McCain “You said that there was no history of violence between Shiite and Sunni. And you were wrong.” No, Mr Obama, McCain was right, and YOU are wrong. Since the tenth century when Sunni and Shi`a became distinct communities there have only been three or so episodes of violence, and those did not break out because of tensions between the two communities, but as a result of foreign invasions - just as the current violence is a result of the U.S. invasion and brutal manipulation of Iraq's social, demographic, and political structure.
http://www.juancole.com/2008/09/debate-fact-check-2-surge.html
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Juan Cole, for those who may not know him: scholar and historian of modern Middle Eastern and South Asian history. He is Richard P. Mitchell Collegiate Professor of History at the University of Michigan. As a commentator on Middle Eastern affairs, he has appeared in print and on television, and testified before the United States Senate. He has published several peer-reviewed books on the modern Middle East and is a translator of both Arabic and Persian.
Gates is another weathervane...Obama needs advisors with guts and sense, not neocon-lite types.
fusion, Give me a break!
"The ‘surge’ involved a US campaign to disarm Sunni Arabs in Baghdad, This in turn allowed Shiite militias to ethnically cleanse hundreds of thousands of Sunnis..."
The "surge" (which refers to the overall strategy, not just the troop increase) finished in May 2007. Yet you are claiming hundreds of thousands of Sunnis have been murdered since it began? Even though since it began their has been an overall reduction of violence in Baghdad (which Cole acknowledges)? You're not making any sense. You're claiming that over the past year Sunnis in Baghdad (not Iraq, mind you but Baghdad) have been being ethnically cleansed at a rate of over 10,000 people a month? Where is your evidence! Where are the mass graves? This is like the s-called Jenin genocide all over again. Sheesh.
BTW I'm familiar with Juan Cole and I agree with most of what he writes.
For example I agreed that Afghanistan was ""the right war at the right time," but that Bush "left the job half done in Afghanistan and ran off to Iraq, which was always irrelevant to al-Qaeda."
With Iraq, I agreed with what Cole wrote on March 23, 2003,
"My mind and heart are, like those of so many Americans, focused on the Gulf and Iraq tonight. I am thinking about all those brave young men and women in the US and British armed forces whose lives are on the line, and send them my warm support. And I am thinking about all the innocent Iraqis in the line of fire, who fear what awaits them. I remain convinced that, for all the concerns one might have about the aftermath, the removal of Saddam Hussein and the murderous Baath regime from power will be worth the sacrifices that are about to be made on all sides."
It would have been "worth the sacrifices(...)on all sides" but Bush botched the job. It really could have been a war of liberation.
Over time, when I began realizing Bush had no plan for the aftermath of the invasion, I turned against it. But, like Cole, I have consistently advocated against any kind of "out now" position, even now. I view Cole as an interesting figure, I greatly respect his unwavering support for our military, as well as his his support for Obama and the Democratic party. My main disagreements with him is over his support for Palestinian extremists and his many wrongheaded positions on Iran.
From Cole:
"The ‘surge’ involved a US campaign to disarm Sunni Arabs in Baghdad, This in turn allowed Shiite militias to ethnically cleanse hundreds of thousands of Sunnis..."
From JH:
The "surge" (which refers to the overall strategy, not just the troop increase) finished in May 2007. Yet you are claiming hundreds of thousands of Sunnis have been murdered since it began?
Fusion's response: the Cole quote says Sunnis were ethnically cleansed, not murdered.
And that wasn't me; it was Cole...
Error is like noise in a communications channel...a little more care, please, JH?
So starting a year ago tens of thousands of Sunnis (per month) were non-lethally "ethnically cleansed" from Bagdhad by Shiite militias because they were disarmed and could no longer defend themselves? Wow, a non-violent genocide, huh? Yet the surge reduced violence throughout Iraq, not just Baghdad. But I guess you would just say the whole of Iraq had been peacefully ethnically cleansed at the exact same time as the surge was stabilizing Iraq? Oh, right, don't blame you because you're just quoting Cole.
Wow. Okay.
Joe Hope
The surge was Gen. Petraeus's tactic. Gates did not implement it, Petraeus did. And its just a tactic not a strategy. Its been used before and its usually sucessful, but its a short term tactic at best.
The Iraq war has been over for years, this is an occupation. And Gates hasn't ended anything. He's done a good job, but the success so fas belongs to Petraeus.
I agree that he should be kept on but because he will help get our troops out faster more than anything else.
Joe,
One more comment for you, although not so harsh as some that have come before.
You wrote:
"Then Gates came along and implemented a winning strategy - the surge. Yet the left still opposes him. Why?"
I'll speak for myself...I don't have all of the information I need to say whether the surge is responsible for the officially reported "decline in violence" in Iraq.
I oppose the surge, and Gates, for another reason.
We (meaning the US) simply DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT to send our troops to other countries to kill ANYONE. We don't own Iraq. They shouldn't have to get us to agree to a Status of Forces agreement which says we will pull out in order to get us out.
A majority of Iraqis hated Saddam, yet still didn't want the US to invade. The majority of Iraqis believe that the presence of US forces is by far the number one contributor to continued violence, and the majority want us out.
If we're about democracy, and democracy is about seeing the will of the people of a nation expressed, then that's all we need to know.
And to you progressives, who have been engaging Joe in terms of whether the surge worked, I agree, it's important to pull the curtain back and expose the workings of the propaganda machine for what they are, but we have to remember the real reasons to be opposed to this war.
1) We don't have the right.
2) War never creates true peace.
BENEFITS OF COMPULSORY DRAFT
A strict compulsory draft might well have prevented this ill conceived Iraqi war, and would discourage other such future misadventures. It would coerce our legislators into better scrutinizing their approval of such military action, since their offspring (and those of their constituents) would then be subjected to military service.
It would also enable abolishment of our shameful engagement of reckless and unaccountable mercenaries which, among other things, has further degraded our international standing.
NPR had a bit about the Army anthropologists sent in to grease the military effort. Have you heard it? An uncovered female "anthropologist" asks a distressed Afghani male with a gas can, "What is the cost of gas?".
Perhaps he was aware that his country has been ravaged for, among other things, a gas pipeline to benefit the superpower she spoke for; perhaps he had lost a fiance or mother or relatives to the violence; who knows what could have turned him homocidal. But his answer was to pour gas on her and set her on fire. The man was shot by another member of her team. She is badly hurt, but alive.
My reaction, and surely yours, too, is one of horror and anger.
But, at some point, we must demand of our leaders, their enablers, and, ourselves the answer to that question, an answer the Afghani demonstrated rather than explained.
Sioux Rose
The rhetorical questions asked in this article are answered in the astute commentary offered in the piece by Robert Fisk. The way Fisk describes the exact same moves & comments by the Russians 28 years ago, and now the Americans, both up against the same logistical "problems" that make the very concept of winning a war in Afghanistan OUT OF THE QUESTION.
Gates is a whore. He's a careerist. Such a one, like Tenet, cannot be trusted. In what field (presuming we progressives see any reason to have "intelligence" in the first place) should the material produced NOT be politicized to suit the predilections of a sitting ruler? Information gotten through the subteranean channels is what is used to make war, and therefore it MUST be as close to true as possible. Have the words, "the case has been fixed for war against Iraq" been already dismissed? What a lesson they speak!
Before the final paragraphs of Mr. McGovern's analysis I found myself thinking where is any courage on the part of these career military men? I'd like to think a person in the military is one who can show incredible courage under fire; but if the best the top brass can do is cover their own asses by obliging their bosses, then what cowardly sell-outs most are. The ones who did say NO and lost their careers have paid a price, but far less than the price of their souls when others so easily die on the basis of falsified information.
"Gates is a whore."
More name-calling. Real mature, Sioux Rose.
Obama sees beyond party affiliations. He cares only about who will be best for the job. Why do you have so much irrational hatred towards Gates? Don't you trust Obama? Can't you have a little faith? Can't you at least give him a chance?
A valid point.
Any General officers out there that would care to respond?
The military mindset can be difficult for the lay-person to understand. Above all else is their mandate of loyalty. Loyalty to their CiC, their peers, and those that they command. That loyalty is so powerful, they are ready to give up their lives.
Military honor is also up there in their code of conduct, such that it is better to be silent than sully the honor of their service by dragging through the muck those that made a wrong choice.
I understand the actions of our military, but I have never agreed with them.
It is irrelevant that we have Mr. Gates "surging" in Afganistan. The reality may be that the USA will be forced to withdraw when it runs out of money.
We are going broke; it will not be long until the USA will not have the money to carry on any war.
Most of McGovern's comments are good ones, but I don't appreciate the remark about General Abizaid folded his tent like an Arab and silently stole away." That's offensive and insulting not only to General Abizaid but to Arab people in general.
I don't see the need for ethnic slurs in an article such as this or on this website. My feeling is that if it had been directed toward some other ethnic group, it wouldn't have made the cut. But if its Arabs, well who cares or even notices? Certainly not CD.
The thing most seem to forget here is that The Secretary of Defense as every other person in the cabinet works for the President. His job is to facilitate the Presidents policy.
Whatever they may say in meetings, even if they are unilaterally opposed to the move, outside that room, their only duty is to support the Presidents decisions.
If Obama keeps Gates, as he should, it will provide a seamless transfer to his administration and facilitate our troops withdrawal. Naming a new Secretary would obviously slow that down.
Thomas More:There's an interesting article on DailyKos that Gates has neocons as staff and may want to keep them, if he takes the job in Obama administration. (article on main page as of early this morning at DailyKos.com)
I think of George W. Bush as an exercise-biking and less charming Mr. Magoo, symbolizing in his short-sightedness all other Americans who are out of focus and still thinking we should remain in Iraq for another minute.
The group even includes the great journalist Seymour Hersh, who used to say, asked when we should leave, "By midnight tomorrow."
More recently, Hersh has modified his position to point out all the damage we have inflicted and arguing therefore we have a moral obligation to help the Iraqis cope in the future.
Thus he, too, becomes part of the problem. Clear navigation doesn't require that we leave our soldiers in Iraq to find their own way home like the Russians from Afghanistan, but does require an equally abrupt and seemingly cruel decision to cut a dumb thing off once and for all.
"More recently, Hersh has modified his position to point out all the damage we have inflicted and arguing therefore we have a moral obligation to help the Iraqis cope in the future."
I believe thats true, but it doesn't require our troops to be there to do that. My opinion is that one hass little to do with the other.
Keeping Gates is the prudent thing to do, yes....
I'm still of the opinion that Obama had the living daylights scared out of him during his NIE briefing a couple weeks ago....don't look for any "immediate Withdrawal" talk coming out of his White house...
Thomas...you have to admit I called the "Blackwater" riding shotgun on Merchant Shipping over there ....turned out to be right...
I just wonder why the Worlds Navies aren't doing more to squash these insects...
(Yes...I'm back and ornierier than ever...if Obama is actually going to Govern as a Centrist I think we can all live with that)
By the way Thomas...I see 30 of your Marines got "Ambushed" by 250 Taliban in a Place Called Shewan Afghanistan and the Taliban got their clocks cleaned...a few more enagaments like that, coupled with cross border raids to kill the Taliban Leadership hiding in Pakistan will probably alleviate the need for any surge...
"I see 30 of your Marines got "Ambushed" by 250 Taliban in a Place Called Shewan Afghanistan and the Taliban got their clocks cleaned"
As stated in the article, "that is irrelevant".
Welcome back SnowWolf you fearful pansie. I've missed shooting fish in a barrel.