Free Market Ideology is Far from Finished
But with Wall Street rescued by government intervention, there's never been a better time to argue for collectivist solutions
Whatever the events of this week mean, nobody should believe the overblown claims that the market crisis signals the death of "free market" ideology. Free market ideology has always been a servant to the interests of capital, and its presence ebbs and flows depending on its usefulness to those interests.
During boom times, it's profitable to preach laissez faire, because an absentee government allows speculative bubbles to inflate. When those bubbles burst, the ideology becomes a hindrance, and it goes dormant while big government rides to the rescue. But rest assured: the ideology will come roaring back when the bailouts are done. The massive debts the public is accumulating to bail out the speculators will then become part of a global budget crisis that will be the rationalisation for deep cuts to social programmes, and for a renewed push to privatise what is left of the public sector. We will also be told that our hopes for a green future are, sadly, too costly.
What we don't know is how the public will respond. Consider that in North America, everybody under the age of 40 grew up being told that the government can't intervene to improve our lives, that government is the problem not the solution, that laissez faire was the only option. Now, we are suddenly seeing an extremely activist, intensely interventionist government, seemingly willing to do whatever it takes to save investors from themselves.
This spectacle necessarily raises the question: if the state can intervene to save corporations that took reckless risks in the housing markets, why can't it intervene to prevent millions of Americans from imminent foreclosure? By the same token, if $85bn can be made instantly available to buy the insurance giant AIG, why is single-payer health care - which would protect Americans from the predatory practices of health-care insurance companies - seemingly such an unattainable dream? And if ever more corporations need taxpayer funds to stay afloat, why can't taxpayers make demands in return - like caps on executive pay, and a guarantee against more job losses?
Now that it's clear that governments can indeed act in times of crises, it will become much harder for them to plead powerlessness in the future. Another potential shift has to do with market hopes for future privatisations. For years, the global investment banks have been lobbying politicians for two new markets: one that would come from privatising public pensions and the other that would come from a new wave of privatised or partially privatised roads, bridges and water systems. Both of these dreams have just become much harder to sell: Americans are in no mood to trust more of their individual and collective assets to the reckless gamblers on Wall Street, especially because it seems more than likely that taxpayers will have to pay to buy back their own assets when the next bubble bursts.
With the World Trade Organisation talks off the rails, this crisis could also be a catalyst for a radically alternative approach to regulating world markets and financial systems. Already, we are seeing a move towards "food sovereignty" in the developing world, rather than leaving access to food to the whims of commodity traders. The time may finally have come for ideas like taxing trading, which would slow speculative investment, as well as other global capital controls.
And now that nationalisation is not a dirty word, the oil and gas companies should watch out: someone needs to pay for the shift to a greener future, and it makes most sense for the bulk of the funds to come from the highly profitable sector that is most responsible for our climate crisis. It certainly makes more sense than creating another dangerous bubble in carbon trading.
But the crisis we are seeing calls for even deeper changes than that. The reason these junk loans were allowed to proliferate was not just because the regulators didn't understand the risk. It is because we have an economic system that measures our collective health based exclusively on GDP growth. So long as the junk loans were fuelling economic growth, our governments actively supported them. So what is really being called into question by the crisis is the unquestioned commitment to growth at all costs. Where this crisis should lead us is to a radically different way for our societies to measure health and progress.
None of this, however, will happen without huge public pressure placed on politicians in this key period. And not polite lobbying but a return to the streets and the kind of direct action that ushered in the New Deal in the 1930s. Without it, there will be superficial changes and a return, as quickly as possible, to business as usual.
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hi all. Question: is there any truth to the buzz on the web about a massive public mobilization at the capitol this week to pressure congress to not consolidate the theft in progress? If so, when is it starting to happen? Anyone know who's doing the organizing or is it really just spontaneous? I have been able to confirm much but maybe someone else can. I hear it the biggest yet and definitely not partisan.
Yes CD if you get any info on this please post! Populist revolt now!
Our corporate masters found a bubble few can avoid: housing. We all have to live somewhere, after all. Next, they securitized the bad debts and stuffed them into retirement investment funds, such as 401 plans.
It's brilliant criminality. Total class warfare.
It's time to dust off your Marx, and I don't mean Groucho.
Now, the rich are getting bailed out, and we get stuck with the bill for their fraud, plus automatic inflation and more unemployment. The idea of the triple whammy is to keep the people too disoriented to fight back.
I think Naomi Klein is correct, as per her book, that the real shock is yet to begin. Is it all too complex for Joe Sixpack to understand?
I hope they have gone too far this time. I fear not, though. Too much hopeful talk for the Goldman Sachs candidate, Barach Obama. If people acted on common sense, they'd have laughed off McCain, one of the Keating Five bribe takers who helped the savings and loan criminals.
Some people still take the two parties seriously, though, even as our elected representatives applaud the corporate bailouts. It's the ownership society, where you own the debt.
-TIA
The ideological dreamers: Ronald Reagan, Milton Friedman, Alan Greenspan, Ayn Rand, G W Bush, etc. etc. (I know, the list is endless)
"Government is not a solution to our problems, government is the problem." Ronald Reagan.
Are you listening AIG??? Fannie Mae? Freddie Mac???
"There are entrepeneurs with faith in themselves and faith in an idea who create new jobs, new wealth and new opportunity." Ronald Reagan. HA HA HA
Yes, faith in themselves to run off with billions while leaving the tax payers holding the bag.
"Government should be reduced to the size of a bathtub." How can a bathtub come up with a trillion dollars to bail out these entrepreneurs?
Deregulate, deregulate, deregulate. Socialism is evil. Yes, its only evil if it helps the poor and the unemployed. It's okay when it helps these multi-billion dollar tycoons. Give them a government handout: the poor, downtrodden victims of their own greed.
Milton Friedman, Alan Greenspan have said that they have been influenced by the "Objectivist" ethics of Ayn Rand who writes:
"When I say "capitalism", I mean a full, pure uncontrolled unregulated laissez-faire capitalism - with separation of state and economics..."
Greenspan, when interviewed on Democracy Now!, said that one of his mentors was Ayn Rand.
Talk about hypocricy and double-standards. Welfare state/socialism for the rich and the rest be damned.
"Pull up your own bootstraps!"
"Tickle-down theory."
Privatize, privatize, privatize.......
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Simple-minded crap.
amacd September 21st, 2008 1:01 pm,
"WALLACE: You've got people who've made billions of dollars. They've got the private jets. Are you going to be spending taxpayer money to bail out these hedge funds?"
i heard that same comment and (was a little surprised, wallace putting a populist twist to his question) was both shocked and laughing simultaneously as paulson ignored the question, stumbling to find the rhetoric that essentially would be a 'yes'.
anyway, it was a clear straight foreword question, why should wealthy managers of our economy, who've neglected the peoples welfare the world over, be rewarded and allowed to keep their spoils ? instead of questioned, ridiculed and imprisoned.
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the emperors wear no clothes, when a fox commentator suggestively asks the US treasury secretary, why wealthy managers will continue to live decadant lifestyles, while they continue to apply misguided strategies to utilize our collective wealth ?
the masses do understand basic truths, therefore the government (in conjunction w/ corporate america) will respond more brutally to squelch dissent as people wake up, as the looming austerity programs begin to be implemented upon us. the working poor will feel the brunt of the policies.
in many ways the poor are already psychologically conditioned to respond to economic insecurity. they know the ropes (where the soup kitchens are, how to use mass transportation, where to set up a tent, how to behave at the labor hall, what to say yo the man...)
the middle class will have more difficulty adjusting, finding their humility and compassion. of course when private cops start telling them to move on (out of there leveraged houses, onto the streets, into the camps...). it's time for americans to dust off copies of the grapes of wrath and reacquaint themselves w/ woody guthrie...
http://www.geocities.com/nashville/3448/iaint.html
http://www.woodyguthrie.org/Lyrics/Lyrics.htm
I Ain't Got No Home
I ain't got no home, I'm just a-roamin' 'round,
Just a wandrin' worker, I go from town to town.
And the police make it hard wherever I may go
And I ain't got no home in this world anymore.
My brothers and my sisters are stranded on this road,
A hot and dusty road that a million feet have trod;
Rich man took my home and drove me from my door
And I ain't got no home in this world anymore.
Was a-farmin' on the shares, and always I was poor;
My crops I lay into the banker's store.
My wife took down and died upon the cabin floor,
And I ain't got no home in this world anymore.
I mined in your mines and I gathered in your corn
I been working, mister, since the day I was born
Now I worry all the time like I never did before
'Cause I ain't got no home in this world anymore
Now as I look around, it's mighty plain to see
This world is such a great and a funny place to be;
Oh, the gamblin' man is rich an' the workin' man is poor,
And I ain't got no home in this world anymore..........
...peace...
Have a strong feeling that we the American taxpayer of been setup again!
After this debacle I how don't know how anyone could possibly have any confidence in the so-called freemarkets.
Their as been a lot of damage to the credibility of the system and I hope it will make people take along hard look at free market ideology and the hypocrisy we are about to witness..
For years the U.S as advised other country that were expericening severe economic turmoil to avoid government intervention and allow the markets to work it out.
But when it happens in the U.S. and threatens a collaspe of our economy they dump everything they have preached to others and bail out the system.
Youre right, of course.
In alot of situations, we have done alot more than "advise"! We do s "shock and awe", and then, send in the Chicago boys, and the mercenary troops (withthe CIA) and buy up everyone's water rights (Enron).
Then, people say "Why do they hate us so much"??
If only Bush and his "Financial Expert" buddies had been allowed to "privatize" Social Security and "pump" billions of dollars into their financial "ponzi scheme," the Wall Street "Meltdown" would have been delayed until AFTER his term was up, and then they could brag that it happened under a Dem Prezz, if one is to be elected.
The question regarding this whole mess that eludes many is: WHAT DID THEY KNOW, AND WHEN DID THEY KNOW IT?
Democrats need to start inquiries on this scam, "PRONTO!"
With the value of our dollar, I can see the new economy.
Countries surviving the WORLD recession will move their production here so we can produce the products we buy from THEM!
And, of course, WE will become the country that they have to pay the lowest wages and no benefits to, so they will flock here, and we will become, even more so, a Wal-Mart nation.
Thank you Naomi... good basics. Don't stop. Fill in the details on the kinds of regulations, prohibitions and anti-monopolistic measures that you believe might lead to solutions.
For all of you who were raised with no real sex education... be warned. You are about to get royally screwed... and there are no protections being used.
You can start now by practicing your waist bends.
"The Party" promises to be gentle, however... and as we are fully aware, they always keep their promises.
If Bush keeps selling nukes, practice waist bends to bend over and kiss yu r ass goodbye, also.
Americans will NOT hit the streets until most of them are unemployed, each house/apartment holds 3 families, and their cable TV/Internet/phone has been shut off. Otherwise, we are still too comfortable living one family per house and watching cable TV.
Can the progressive leaders PLEASE come up with a new suggestion for forcing our leaders to get off the dime? Wouldn't a million letters and 5 million signatures make an urgent impression?
Klein says that this is a "key period" adn I agree. If we let hte duopoly get away with this one, we are abdicating our responsibilities to the next generation.
Alan MacDonald
Even from Fox News Sunday there are suspicious gaps in this 'bailout'
"WALLACE: The legislation says that you can buy from any financial institution. Does that include hedge funds? Does that include foreign institutions with American affiliates?
PAULSON: The intent right now wouldn't be to buy from hedge funds.
But obviously, we would want to buy from financial institutions that are employing people and are an important part of our economy, because to the American people, if an institution that's doing business here is clogged and can't perform the role they need to do, it's a distinction without a difference, whether it's a foreign- or a U.S.- owned, as long as they have operations here.
Remember, our system is a global one, and I'm also going to be pressing our colleagues around the world to design similar programs for their banks and institutions where they are appropriate.
WALLACE: But I think one thing that people are concerned about — for instance, the hedge funds which have been highly speculative.
PAULSON: Right.
WALLACE: You've got people who've made billions of dollars. They've got the private jets. Are you going to be spending taxpayer money to bail out these hedge funds?
PAULSON: It certainly is not our intent to be buying assets from the hedge funds.
But remember, step back on this program. All the assets we buy is with the intent of minimizing the risk to the taxpayer, because unfortunately, the taxpayer is already at risk if we have broader problems in the economy.
So what we're trying to do is reduce the cost and reduce the risk to the taxpayer through this action."
Sure, Paul, your first priority is to "reduce the cost and reduce the risk to the taxpayer" ---- as SNL used to say, "that's the story"
Alan MacDonald
On Sunday morning's talk shows Paulson refused to answer or 'take off the table' the possibility that the Treasury's new (un-Contitutional) authority to 'buy assets' from investment firms would extend to HEDGE FUNDS.
As reported thereafter in the print news wires:
"Paulson also said that the intent of the plan submitted to Congress "RIGHT NOW wouldn't be to buy from hedge funds" -- private investment funds that specialize in aggressive risk-taking." (emphasis added)
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5h-m2tgAY5HFX2q2zO2GFukGjgqxA
What a bunch of bullshit! Hedge Funds provided giant proftis or giant loses (mostly one--then, the other) . If you bet on the lottery or at a casino, no one is goin to bail yu out. What hte hell would be the incentive, to not invest in this Ponzi scheme again? If yu can, basically, bid "against yourself"--how does the "mkt" ever lose/ How do we ever win?
I'm startin to really detest Paulson. I guess by "remember, our system is a glo bal one", he means, "rich peopel, bail out to your intl houses in Dubai, Bali, Monacco,etc". Look for Bush and friends to settle on the manmade islands of King (Uncle) Abdullah./
" It is because we have an economic system that measures our collective health based exclusively on GDP growth." - Truer words were never spoken.
I am glad to see that the most intelligent posters on commondreams, who I feared had been shooed away by the pointless politics of Obama and McCain that have dominated this forum, are back and contributing. It gives me a reason to smile on such a gloomy day.
It sure beats getting flamed ("YOU TOTAL F**KING IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!! ARE YOU INSANE????!!!), like on so many other sites.
I had no idea there was that much anger and hatred within the "progressive community" until now. And it really sucks. I dont think that it is winning over progressive to Obama--au contraire! I think people are, like, "Stop telling ME that my single vote for a Third Party is responsible for the unholy fricking mess we find ourselves in." The duopoly is to blame. And the campaign process is just a "legalised bribery", as Feingold said.
Of course the GOP is "worse" on alot of things. Only people who are actually fine with the "status quo" (ie Bill Clinton) are fine with Obama. But, some peopoe are so histrionic about it, do not be surprised when they follow a few Nader supporters in here to scream at them.
Alan MacDonald
This fear-based bum's-rush to act first and delay thinking is so clearly a sequel of the Iraq war sales pitch, PR, propaganda, back-stage secret and false information, and outright lies --- and it has so clearly been preplanned by the exact same ruling-elite corporatist Empire that is hiding behind its facade of a two-party 'Vichy' government, which is now Empire, not democracy.
Look at the comparisons between the application of the fear-based shock capitalism and imperial militarism (at home and abroad) between the bum's-rush on attacking Iraq and the bum's-rush attacking the US Treasury of our 'comonwealth'.
* Urgency:
In the selling of the fear-induced absolute need to preemptively attack Iraq first, because debate and any serious thought could be a delay that would be existential and cause unthinkable damage to Americans, the Iraq war pitch was "we can't wait for the smoking-gun to turn out to be a nukular bomb" (repeated without any proof, and with shocking threats to the Congress, media, and people hundreds of times by Bush, Cheney, Rice, etc.).
Whereas in the fear-induced absolute need to preemptively bailout Wall Street first because debate and any serious thought could be a delay that would be existential and cause unthinkable damage to Americans, this 'financial war' pitch was "we can't wait for any debate about blame or regulation to prevent this in the future --- we've only got days before total financial meltdown" (repeated without any proof, and with shocking threats to the Congress, media, and people hundreds of times by Paulson --- since nobody sane would trust now Bush or Cheney).
* The danger is already in place and we have clear (but secret) proof of the present danger:
"We know from all intelligence that Saddam aided the terrorists, and had tried to buy 'yellow-cake' from Niger".
"I've been in Congress 28 years and when secretary Paulson briefed 15 of us about this crisis 'all the oxygen left the room' and we were silent".
* Projected costs:
"Iraq itself will be able to finance our own liberation of them with their oil profits".
"The $700 billion funding will only be 'a purchase of assets' and the orderly sale of those assets will later repay much or all of the costs".
[Of course, if the ratio and escalation of the initial cost estimates by the same corporate/political liars about the Iraq war compared to its actual final cost is applied to Paulson's vague suggestion of "not more than $700 billion" for the Wall Street 'bailout', then the best estimate would be, as kids used to say, “all the money in China”, ie. $10 to $20 trillion.
* Duration:
"Mission accomplished" (May 2003 ----- still in denial and quagmire in 2009)
"This new agency will report in three months and the authority only needs to be temporary until the housing market recovers."
Keep thinking about similar striking comparisons between the lying 'rush to action' in the Iraq war and the financial war --- I'm sure we'll all be able to add many more examples.
[Of course the 'surge' years after the first Treasury 'bailout' will certainly be 'bailout II', 'bailout III' etc. as Paulson, Rubin or whoever uses un-Constitutional and illegal powers to take successive Trillions from the Americans, by using corporate computers -- just as Bush has spied on all Americans with Telcom computers.]
Sioux Rose
Interesting posts: CRUX PUPPY, RUMILUV, AMACD, KIVALS. We may well be the reincarnation of the senators arguing similar issues in their times in Ancient Greece, a forum, indeed.
james mathers REVOLUTION IS FOR DRAMA QUEENS. We gave the CEO's the rope, they did what they always do.
We have a "Three strikes" law for shoplifters and petty crime. why not a white collar "three strikes" law? for corporate fraudsters???? The food and dental care in our enormous prison system would improve DRAMATICALLY overnight!
The buck is broke, no amount of critique will fix that, only art and music and education will bring us back to a quality of life index that anyone can recognise. Down with the GNP!!!! Thank yo wall sreet for setting america free!
I have posted this before. I think that we are headed for becoming a nation of debtors, and they will use the grand scheme of debtor’s prisons to further enslave us. These corporations will not fail. They are being bailed out on our backs. They will stay on our backs because we have a weak government and we will be voting in another weak government. It does not matter who is elected.
Until the America decides that it wants its humanity back, we will be heading in that direction full speed. Until we fight for everyone’s rights, this ship is going down.
I was speaking to a dear friend yesterday. She had no idea who Sarah Palin was and she said that she was not interested in politics because it did not concern her. Then she proceeded to tell me about her mother who was living in her own mobil home in a very nice part of town, and had to have around the clock assistance at about $4,000.00 a month. The old lady’s retirement fund was being sucked dry. That was just for the home care and did not include her medical treatment.
I said to her, my dear…you may think that politics does not concern you …but politics has you and your family by the throat.
And for reasons of brevity here, I know that I do not have to explain the healthcare debacle in this country to the rest of you on this forum.
Whose government is it anyway…theirs or ours?
If I be but one drop in the start of a waterfall, who will join in the deluge?
Throw the money changers out of the Jedi Temple, already!!!
John F. Butterfield
Free Market Ideology tends to sound ok because it has the word "free" in it.
I would prefer "deregulation dementia".
You will almost always lose an argument if you give in to your opponent's terms and framework.
Being "incorporated" should mean that you have put your business under the control of the state in exchange for being allowed to do business.
It used to be "free to die with your rights on" ( in the era of de-institutionalization of people with disabilities) I supported it, as I did not know that that meant relegating them to the streets! HOw naive I was! (I also thought that NAFTA would "bring more wealth to Mexico". You live and learn!.
Now, it is "free to just die--no rights at all".
Try the term "lazy unfair"
Regardless of how this current mess turns out there is such delicious irony in watching President GW "we need to turn loose the magic of the market" Bush having to scramble to out-FDR FDR.
Ditto for listening to John McCain turn into a stuttering parody of Porky Pig trying to explain why what he meant to say about the fundamentals of the American economy was not what he actually said.
Ditto for Barack Obama whining about all of John McCain's Wall Street advisors and money while he is being politically pimped by the same group.
Ditto for the clueless "go along to get along" Democrats (whom the Republican noise machine will yet find a way to convince most of America were the ones really respnsible for the mess despite all the evidence to the contrary) led by Ms Nancy Pill-osi who can only manage to squeak out "well, we'll have to see the exact details before we can respond to such proposals."
The cosmic wheels of retributive justice are steadily grinding both the perpetrators and their bureaucratic and political enablers to dust. Pity whoever becomes the next president of the US--they may just turn out to be the unluckiest president since Herbert Hoover.
"But let judgment run down as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream."
Poet
great quote, Poet.
I had also thought of:
And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
The overwhelming bulk of the American electorate can be summed up as:
"this [is] a rebellious people, lying children, children [that] will not hear...Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits..."
Poet
Ladies and gentlemen who are reading these posts:
I respectfully put forward that the call for bipartisanship in support of the efforts to "quell" the fall of the financial markets is chillingly familiar. It reminds one of the rush to invade Iraq and pour our nation's resources into that effort to "defeat" terrorism and bring Bin Laden to justice. But, of course, we all know that this was just a tactic to make a lot of people a lot richer and to take away our civil rights and do harm to the human rights of others. There were no WMS. I believe this market "crash" we just witnessed was akin to the crash of the twin towers and a new shock to the nation to lay in a fix before the new folks inhabit the White House. Although I at first thought it was prudent to let the investors off the hook, I now believe that true patriots would do well to call or write their representatives and say, do not bail out anyone; let Congress get all of the information and let the people have a say as to where our tax dollars should go. I vote to help the people out who have been victims of foreclosures on their homes and those who face foreclosure now.
"Bi-partinsanship" just means that they stick together, and its more "them vs. us".
When I first heard that so mnay pensions and money mkt investors would be harmed, I thought we had to do it, too. But the bill just keeps getting bigger, the scope wider (soon HEDGE fundss???), and the excuses dumber.
tbenner
1. Nationalize energy, electric utilities, rail systems.
2. Abolish presidency, establish a board of directors with each elected member representing socio-economic group of society.
3. Abolish political parties.
4. Outlaw all lobbying
5. Establish term limits (1) for elected officials.
6. Eliminate State Department, then start over with a mandate for peace not war.
7. Eliminate Defense Department, then start over, use money saved to rebuild infrastructure, education, health care, etc.
8. Make fossil fuels obsolete in 5 to 10 years.
9. Establish a limit on how much money one person can accumulate.
Great ideas.
"cruxpuppy September 21st, 2008 12:36 am
Mike Corbell
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My point is that the system Naomi is taking for granted is not the system she thinks she's monitoring. She thinks she's dealing with a functioning republic with checks and balances and separation of powers that has a self-correcting functionality. Apparently, so do you.
That's not what's out there right now. We live in a corporate oligarchy a de facto one-party state."
You should inquire before making superficially based speculations about what others think and not. What you say in the last quoted para. above is DUH!; long known already!
You add nothing, for what it is or says has been [obvious] for a long time. However, just because it's reality doesn't mean it's to be supported; definitely not by sane people. And I know that Naomi Klein does overlook or neglect some details, but she and I are different people and don't even know each other.
Your weakness is reading into what others say without first inquiring, for what you claim about my view is not founded in any [real] reality. I may have misexpressed myself, and we are limited to posts no longer than 1,000 words, so these types of comments clearly aren't for essays, etc.
Real analysts first inquire instead of superficially speculating. Such speculations certainly can be and are used as bases for the inquiries (most of course), but the inquiries must be performed for us to be real and critical analysts.
I KNOW about the oligarchy and that's what my post (maybe the one in response to Green Retirement) infers wherein it refers to the H-1B program, f.e. I also know that there is no self-correcting functionality, which is also evidenced with the H-1B, among other, "programs'. It couldn't be more obvious, for "crying out loud"!
Naomi Klein's article is much about that, oligarchy, too, only it's weakly, and she doesn't adequately refer to the NEED that Green Retirement's post is about, 'NO BAILOUT FOR WALL STREET!'. But she, N. Klein, does say that [if] the U.S. govt is going to bail out these damn hellbent predatory entities with taxpayers' dollars, then the govt must, to be integral, provide [to] taxpayers; while I add, in case she omitted this, also to relieve the poverty in society by providing enough financial aide for the poor or very poor to be able to have a real chance of getting out of this situation. She's right about that, and much as I explained at the end of my post to (I believe) Green Retirement.
Oligarchy and dysfunctional, including hellishly so? NO SHIT! It's been obvious for decades!
Mike Corbell
Progressives, such as Ms Klein, are closet socialists who tend to discount the importance of individual liberty as a trade-off for social justice. The defenders of the Constitution are usually on the right, not the left, with the exception of Ralph Nader who does not quite fit the progressive mold.
I like Naomi just fine. Her shock doctrine is a major insight, though it stops short of the whole truth.
My point is that the system Naomi is taking for granted is not the system she thinks she's monitoring. She thinks she's dealing with a functioning republic with checks and balances and separation of powers that has a self-correcting functionality. Apparently, so do you.
That's not what's out there right now. We live in a corporate oligarchy a de facto one-party state. Policy is dictated to us by the corporate interests.
Moishe Losz was a union leader in Poland who moved his family to Canada after being interrogated by the Soviet Union's Communist government. Moishe's son, David Lewis was instrumental in keeping the Communists out of the NDP. David Lewis's grandson, Avi Lewis, married Naomi Klein. The NDP is the party which most consistently stuck up for human rights - they were even against the internment of Japanese during WWII and the use of the War Measures Act (like the Patriot Act) during the October Crisis and the first to speak out against the mistreatment of Muslims after 9/11.
I don't know what you mean by "individual liberty" - is it anything like what JR Ewing meant when he said that "All's fair in love, war and business" or do you make an exceptions that protect consumers from being ripped off? Are you for or against the concept of a minimum wage? So you believe handguns should be banned or readily available to anyone who wants one?
Ralph Nader imposed all sorts of restrictions to make cars safer. Ralph Nader supports public insurence - for health care, autopac.
Naomi Klein figures that government can be a tool of both good and evil.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable."
John F. Kennedy
We are moving towards a revolution. Which kind of revolution that will be is yet to be determined, but the clock is ticking much faster than it was a week ago and the options are far fewer and more stark than before.
Poet
Yes, Poet. And the duopoly's dismantling of FDR's New Deal (which, compared to EU or Canada, were only modest proposals to eqalitarianism), will eventually make Socialism inevitable.
KDelphi (out and proud socialist)sez--
" the duopoly's dismantling of FDR's New Deal (which, compared to EU or Canada, were only modest proposals to eqalitarianism), will eventually make Socialism inevitable"
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or will be the proximate cause of a unilateral, pre-emptive, declaration of armed class war (as in martial law or Argentinian style military junta), on "we the (little) people". I really do not think most Americans grasp just how desperate is our illiquidity as an economy and how few are our options for extracting ourselves from this mess without serious violence.
We are on the cusp of a much bigger mess than greeted FDR on March 4, 1933 and most of our Bowdlerized history does not come anywhere near portraying just how close we came back then to a violent upheaval from both the left (socialist workers, communists, and Huey Long's populist faction) and the right (the attempted coup de tat to overthrow FDR that was foiled by retired Marine General Smedley Butler who was recruited to be one of the key figures in the entire affair when he reported the plot including prominent names of the chief conspirators to FDR).
Poet
(an out and unashamed Democratic Socialiast--there are too many of the totalitarian variety for me not to use that qualifier)
Yes. And we've been in as near-constant state of war. And there is no middle class. And 20,000 people die every year from a lack of health care.
But, well ok. That's just fine.
I am not a closet socialist. I am a socialist, and never more proud to be one then today.
Yep . I carry a red card. I will never understand how the US citizens can say "yes its an oligarchy but so what?"
"Green Retirement September 20th, 2008 8:07 pm
No Wall Street Bailout, without re-regulation, call your congress person and stop it now!"
I just read your article, Green Ret., and believe it's a solid statement and argument.
However, good luck with, "call your congress person and stop it now", for people have been calling Congress to stop the govt's extremely criminal and genocidal wars of aggression (Iraq, Afghanistan, and Haiti, f.e.), yet none of this has been stopped; none of it has significantly diminished at all, even. And that's not the only critical issue people have called their Congress reps about without getting them to stop and repair or remedy any of these problems.
"The biggest financial crime of any century is about to take place."
NOT really; it's surely second to the costs of the wars of aggression of today, I believe.
"$700 billion is about to be robbed from the American taxpayers."
You mean like the many billions of dollars robbed from U.S. taxpayers with these wars of aggression, such as the many pallets majorly loaded with $100 bills, and then, of course, the extreme costs for these wars, which Joseph Stiglitz has predicted may come to total around $3TN for the U.S., and $TN's more for other countries?
"The Democrats are complicit."
Of course, they're 'USUAL SUSPECTS'! Well, a correction is due: They're more than suspects, for we have all the proof we need; instead of only suspicions.
I agree with your article and people will hopefully realise that they need to do as you wrote, and then move to action.
As for Naomi Klein's article, perhaps she didn't specifically refer to the need to 're-regulate', but I perceive some implicit reference of this kind; just that it may be a little incomplete. After all, and if I'm remembering precisely enough without re-reading the article, she's not arguing against the U.S. govt bailing out these huge predatory pigs, but does say social reforms to provide justice for Americans is needed and must be provided by the govt, particularly if it's going to bail out major pigs like has been now happening and, I suppose, may continue to happen for a ... some while.
Major corporate welfare for the hellish corporate pigs, and crumbs, if that, are provided to The People (population)! "Lovely" form of governance, a-la racket! Reminds me of Quebec with its huge subsidies for, and f.e., major Bombardier Corp., while throwing crumbs to the poorest of the province who then have no way of getting out of poverty; or a very difficult time of getting out anyway (I know, being one making it concrete knowledge). Subsidizing relief for the poor so that they could finally function enough to work their way out of poverty would be pervasively beneficial, and just, for the whole society here, but it's another corporatist and fascist govt, so ... there's no, or else very little anyway, hope in sight for the poor. Quebec's been doing this for a long time, many decades, and lusts to continue with this "style" of governance.
Capitalism would be good if only it could be significantly just, which is quite an impossible achievement with all of the greed and predation that goes on. Being fine in theory is one thing; reality is another.
Like the blood in our bodies, we want it to keep circulating in order to maintain health; we also need society to keep economics going in a healthy circulatory manner, which relates to [spreading the wealth], instead of pooling it away for absolutely NO good reasons at all! This requires circulation to The People, who constitute the tax base to begin with. Sure many taxpayers bitch about the poor and govt financial assistance to them, but what these dumb animal taxpayers don't realise is that they're actually bitching against what would make their societies healthy. Helping the poor to get out of poverty means more disposable incomes will be spent, instead of pooled away for unspent and insane accumulations, and who gets that money? People in business! Business isn't going to make profits from monies that are not spent.
It appears as if rapaciousness and forgetfulness go hand in hand with the American economic elite, as they have not learned the lesson from history that the Great Depression imparts. The New Deal saved capitalism from itself, but the Republicans still resist it tooth and nail (thus making Stalin's maxim, "A capitalist will sell you the rope with which you hang him," relevant) & have trashed it. What is most ironic is that when push comes to shove, the crooks who got us into this turn into government intervention fans that would not be out of place in Social Democratic Europe.
"cruxpuppy September 20th, 2008 11:22 pm
In Naomi's world, the pendulum is swinging back and forth like a metronome keeping time with the political seasons, or maybe the wheel of fortune is a better metaphor because it offers more options. There's deregulation, boom, crisis, re-regulation, stabilization, business-as usual, deregulation, boom, crisis, etc.
Very reassuring, provided the "externalities" cooperate and don't intrude. But what if the current re-regulation phase doesn't do the trick? What if the process of deconstructing the Constitution continues, as is actually happening. ..."
I'M NOT absolutely certain of this, but believe that that quoted text is a misreading of what the article says. I don't read that she's saying the present "rescue" by the U.S. govt is guaranteed to work, but that if it does, then we'll be seeing the same thing again further down the road called not futures, however and certainly 'The Future'. And I agree with her, because it's what we've had for history, enough anyway. Plus with the sorts of specifics she refers to, we could also say that we logically will be back to this present sort of situation sometime in the future, whenever the "bubble bursts" again and which might be quite soon.
Iow, I don't interpret the article as any attempt to present absolute certainty about what the future will be; seeing it more in founded hypothetical terms, founded on precedents.
She's very aware of the situation with the constitutions of the U.S., Canada, and so on; as she has illustrated with prior articles of hers. This article is strictly about economics; as I see it anyway. It's also not a book or lengthy essay, btw; in case you haven't noticed.
HENCE, I don't perceive any real lack in the article and think it's a very good and well founded statement.
And I suggest checking out the homepage of www.globalresearch.ca for more articles by authors who (most of them anyway) never or very seldom have articles posted at CD. It's a recommendation for people who wish to learn more about all of these economic troubles, anyway. There are several (or more) articles posted at GR over the past weeks.
Also, this present situation was more-or-less foreseeable back in the 1990s, when I told greedy computer consultants to lower their damn high rates that just combined to cause ever more rush to replace U.S. citizens who were working as hi-tech professionals, as well as making life all the more uncertain for then and future graduating students in adequately related fields. They refused though, so they added their greed contribution to that of the recruiting firms, and AILA (American Immigration Lawyers Assn), of which the members stood some real chances of seriously profiting from working for imported professionals, not being able to work for us U.S. citizens. And they all combined with, first, Pres. GHW Bush, who established the H-1B program, and then the multiply compounding villain, Pres. Clinton, who worked a lot more to help U.S. hi-tech corporations import [replacement] workers and to offshore their businesses to India, a country that alone has around one sixth the world's human population, while also being located in Asia, which has around two thirds of the world's population; a HUGE market.
Sure, that was just us hi-tech folks, but that sort of corporatism and racketeering did not then apply only to us, and never would; for there's NO limit to the greed of the people guilty for all of this economic treason and racket.
Many computer consultants blamed our downfall on racism, which was a dumb "conclusion", for it's all about ... like former USMC Major General Butler wrote, 'WAR IS A RACKET', and we've been caught in the midst of economic warfare that awfully many citizens evidently weren't aware of, while many others just wanted to profit.
If you wish to complain about Naomi Klein not referring to the U.S. Constitution in her article, then do so yourself, but make sure to not be short-sighted; examine and include all of the preceding years and BUILD-UP to what's happening today. It requires very refined and extensive analysis, though.
My 95-year-old father, who finished school with 8th grade, warned many enough times about these types of economic problems even back in the 1960s; but greed is U.S. custom for most Americans.
In Naomi's world, the pendulum is swinging back and forth like a metronome keeping time with the political seasons, or maybe the wheel of fortune is a better metaphor because it offers more options. There's deregulation, boom, crisis, re-regulation, stabilization, business-as usual, deregulation, boom, crisis, etc.
Very reassuring, provided the "externalities" cooperate and don't intrude. But what if the current re-regulation phase doesn't do the trick? What if the process of deconstructing the Constitution continues, as is actually happening.
The Bill of Rights has been mortally wounded. Congressional oversight has been blinded. And now the power of the purse is being taken away from the people's representatives as the Fed/Treasury dictate the most massive government expenditures in history, a doubling of the national debt in a few effing weeks!
Can you say "discontinuity", Naomi? Can you say "terminal corporate/state alliance", can you say "fascism"? We have never crossed this particular river before, not even in the 30'a when FDR, with great energy and courage, created the progressive policy option that effectively ended with the election of Ronald Reagan.
The Fed/Treasury is the control arm of the corporate oligarchy. Do not use the term "democracy" without an ironic twist. There is no functioning republic to reassert its prerogatives. They tried to organize a coup, an old fashioned banana republic coup against FDR. Thwarting this coup gave Smedley Butler his name in history. But we've forgotten this ugliness.... the names of the conspirators were hushed up...just as the fact that George Bush's grandfather was sanctioned under the trading with the enemy statute in 1942 has been hushed up.....
Such crude tactics are no longer necessary. Co-optation is the operative concept in this modern time of electronic surveillance and media control, Vladimir Putin has been mightily impressed by the effectiveness of the US propaganda machine, and this is a guy who knows his propaganda machines.
We'll get our entitlements, Naomi, like the Italians got their trains to run on time. No problem. The cost, however, is our republic and our liberty. It's the neo-national socialism. Very progressive. Can't you see it? It's standing outside your window, looking in at you!
One thing you don't get is that these people don't care that much about money. They have more than they can use. It's power they want and it's power they got.
Get out there and demonstrate! Right! Do you think Amy Goodman is going to put her ass on the line again? Don't think so. And forget civil disobedience unless you want to find out if you can survive 50,000 volts. Bear in mind there is no posse comitatus anymore.
Relax, all you progressives! We're going to be taken care of. You'll get your health care and your day care. What you won't have is the freedom the founders bequeathed to you.
Unfortunately, you can't be permitted too much of that. It threatens national security. You won't miss it much...
keepitsimple
We celebrated Constitution Day at my middle school on 9/17 in the midst of the economic treachery. I contributed numerous class sets, along with individual copies, of a pocket-sized version of The Constitution which also included pertinent quotes from our Founding Fathers. When I casually suggested to fellow teachers that we needed to remind our politicians of their oath to support this document, I was met with blank stares.
It might be the average of two meetings called during a short planning period, or the 20 minutes allowed to inhale a cold sandwich, but the humanity is being sucked out. I've laughed about Stepford Teachers, but I actually see them now.
Many Americans who still have jobs are so overworked that I'm afraid there's not enough life left for "Direct Action". And the stress to "just survive" is causing an epidemic paralysis of negative emotions. It's all part of the plan. And guess what? Your children are being highly-conditioned as well!
I love your call for direct action, Naiomi, but I'm too busy fretting about whether or not anyone is reading my posts on CommonDreams!!! (great analysis, as always, sister) We need some articles from Marilyn Waring ("If Women Counted")and Hazel Henderson ("Paradigms in Progress; Life Beyond Economics"). These two feminists have lots of good ideas about how to measure the real economic health of a nation that includes: 1. the unpaid work of women and 2. the value of intact ecosystems.
&YYY&
The total system is being tailored to disadvantage most people for the great wealth of the few. Since human beings have become bereft of natural predators to keep their numbers down, and epidemic disease is controlled by medical science and hygiene, then the substitution for population and reproductive control in our brave new system is deprivation of the masses of the resources to survive.
This provides a natural selection pressure. Also worker conditions are adjusted until they are only just surviving. Variability means some do not. The corollary is that some individuals amass a great deal of wealth while depriving masses of others. The natural environment, Gaia, takes last place in the short term. In the long term, in a resource depleted and climate endangered planet, cooperation and environmental enhancement is just as important as competition and selection.
Those societies that fight and trash their means of existence will disappear and be replaced, and hopefully do not take too many others with them. Thats the luck of existence. What we seem to be getting here right now is not so much a market correction, but a reality correction. Share markets and financial concerns should reflect in the long run capacity for real wealth for a real existence. Somehow the real existence is not working out right.
The finance regulation has not reflected the constraints of the real world, and the entire ruling elite culture has been abusing the system for its own benefit, and should be stripped of all its wealth, status and reduced to homelessness. This requires a mass uprising. The replacement will be no better, so the government should start looking for its scapegoats.
Thank God we still have socialism for the rich. How would they make the payments on their multi-million dollar mansions and Mercedes’ without a little helping hand from Joe Middle Class American Taxpayer. Like you, I often worry for the rich too.
The American Dream is failing because the American Dream has become the world's nightmare.
http://blogoffanddie.wordpress.com
So long Dubya, we'll always have debt and Guantanamo
Socialism for the rich, corporate socialism, etc.=Fascism!
The profits are privatized, the losses socialized! Randi Rhodes came up with that one.
There's a simple answer: bring back all of FDR's New Deal programs. Worked then, it'll work again, and if the rich cats complain about their higher tax rates, ask them what do they put first, country or themselves? Put the onus on the rich, or start to indict, prosecute, and convict for ripping off the working poor and middle class consumer and taxpayer! They're the ones claiming to be oh-so patriotic, right? Biden had it right the other day: they need to contribute to society like they used to some decades back. Paying higher tax rates didn't cause the Rockefellers, Mellons, Bushes, or Kennedys to go broke! Larry Ellison, Bill Gates, and Steve Jobs won't go broke if they start paying 50% tax rates!
Better idea: a salary/wage cap of $5 million per year. Anyone makes anything over, and it goes into the coffers of the local, state, and Washington DC. All that extra money can finance education, free health care for all, R&D for technological and medical advances, college for all who get the grades, and a mass transit system in this country that would be the envy of the world.
Problem: the fat cats are not loyal Americans, and will skip to the nearest low-tax haven where they probably already own their secure villas. We must first clamp down on the shifting of funds to foreign banks!
I dont realy know what someone needs with more than , say, $200,000 anyway. Seriously. They would consume less. There would be more resources to go around. What are they going to spend it on anyway--a $25,000 golden shower curtain? ( or a $250 golden shower? Sorry...)Another yaght that consumes fuel and deposits it in the sea? A 2500 sq. ft. house? To cut down moree trees asnd pave more roads and drive more cars...it really has to stop somewhere.
Obamas' idea of "rich is $250,000" is WAY to high. And now he says, he may not even reverse the tax cuts at all.
We have a right to expect better than this. Most of these people didnt "earn their money with hard work". How in the hell could a CEO work 4000x harder than a laborer?
The myth of the "independent" "Merkin". Yeah, who depends on Wall St. and Dubya for a f**king bailout!
This road is, I fear, a dead end. I believe I understand your call for a simpler and greener lifestyle, but we need the mass of people behind us or we gain nothing. Two family incomes exceeding $250,000 are not at all rare and afford, in most cases, given our lifestyles, a simply middle class existance. Factor in a college education for the kids, a mortgage or two , car payments etc., and many folks working 50-60 hour weeks for that upper limit you denigrate would be rather offended.
We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States#Quintiles
Everyone in the US (except maybe the upper 2% and lower 20%) seem to consider themselves "middle class" But, it is just not true. It is extremely unfashionable in the uS to say that you are poor. It is a measure of how unaware the upper 20% are, that anyone would think taht $250,000 aa year income is "not uncommon" Check the link above.
The median income , of the uS household ( not individual) is $43,318-$50,233.(2007--I would say it is even less egalitarian now) For single women, its just $35,000. 51% do not live in two-income households.
Only 19% of incomes emeet or exceed $100,000. If you make $154,000--you are in the 95th percentile
Be as offended as you please. MOST US citizena do NOT have "two mortgages", or, car payments. I think college (state universities) shoud be free for anyone who can make it, regardless of income. Ohterwise, you just have a bunch of self-desrving bourgeois who are completely unaware of the state of the rest of the country,and, even given that, the "equal opportunity for all" is a sham. While some peopel work very hard, a lot more of them were just born with semi-silver spoons. If the "playing field" was leveled, a lot of these people would just fall off the edge. We may soon see who is just living off of their parents' "lack of a death tax"..
While a "green economy" is necessary, I'm calling for Justice. If people cannot live on a "middle class income", if they have nothing to live for--I certasinly dont think they wil come to me to look for money. If yu are a capitalit, it is in your own self-interst to see that the vaast accumulated wealth is re-distributed , somewhat.
I think your quote is correct.
Over 72 million families own their own homes here in America:
http://rismedia.com/wp/2003-10-28/number-of-americans-owning-a-home-sets-record-in-third-quarter/
Thats far from a minority I would suggest. You seem more than a bit testy about those who work hard and choose to follow the American dream into home ownership. You also seem to fail to understand the hard work and dedication of folks that achieve said dream. What follows from such a philosophy as you espouse is an alientation of far too many folks necesary to make the changes we all work to achieve.
Certainly there are very greedy and amoral people at the top of the financial food chain, and they need regulation and they need it now. But you spread to wide a net I believe.
We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
bligh4
One problem is the idea that every American should be a homeowner, and the easy money and rampant speculation that goes with this idea. Set limits on lending that REQUIRE 10% down, do away with adjustable mortgages, limit mortgages based on a five year AVERAGE home value to guard against lending in a buying panic, and prosecute any company that breaks these rules.
A perfect storm meeting of both the LEFT and RIGHT in this mess, with the worst ideas of both being the preferred way.
No Wall Street Bailout, without re-regulation, call your congress person and stop it now! The biggest financial crime of any century is about to take place. $700 billion is about to be robbed from the American taxpayers. The Democrats are complicit. The result will be a worthless dollar,higher interest rates, massive un-employment (it's already 7.7% in California). They're trying to push it through this weekend while no one is watching. Full article here.
No Wall Street Bailout!
Do The World A Favor And Retire!
Green Retirement Planning
The financial sector is a parasitical sector that produces nothing of value. To allow it to become such a huge part of our economy, is to build a house of sand. The highly paid activities of these shysters constitute a large part of GDP. False advertizing and wasteful marketing are counted into GDP, as are making weapons of death and products that pollute. At the same time, many activities that contribute to the well-being of community and society are not counted. Our value system is stood on its head.
And, yes the so-called free market system is an ideology or secular religion that serves as a game played by the corporate wealthy to pad their pockets at the expense of workers, consumers, and the environment
Kudos
My feeling is that all of the organizations should have been left out to tank in the free market of their own creation. Think of the massive relief the pardoning of all of the mortgages and bad credit in the US because of the bankruptcy of the creditors who own the mortgages, what a burden would be lifted from the country.
Well, now that the government owns all of the major institutions, its a great time to put through a real progressive line, universal health care, free higher education etc. etc. Use what is left of the credit to fund massive projects which spin a real economy and renew the outdated infrastructure in the States.
Oh yeah, I forgot, a controlled media equals a country which is not free equals, the "free market" morons in power who control the media will continue to be in power until a fundamental uprising overthrows them, bringing with it the risk of a takeover by fanatics, like in Iran, (uprising caused by us), who happen to be in power now anyway, but suffer from a persecution complex, thereby not realizing it.
It would be a good time for that. But I dont hear anyone in power calling for it. None of our "representatives".
Excellent article, it's some of the most lucid and concise analysis I've come across.
gikady wrote,
"Ms Klein
I am trying to recall the last time I noticed a mention of you in the streets rather than telling others to go to the streets."
You can go into the streets and then what? Get arrested or go home. The media distorts your protest and the government doesn't bother to listen.
I think what Klein is doing is more useful. If you want larger, more effective protests, what you need is a more educated populace. How many people in the US even understand what the Shock Doctrine is? The problem is that there is no mainstream equivalent of Klein. Too bad, Michael Moore won't quit his job as a cheerleader for Obama and make a documentary about her work.
God help us all!
We have to put away our keyboards & get out into the streets more often.
Alone if we have to.
Bernie Sanders is one member of U.S. Congress that I think supports people over Wall St. speculators- the least we can do is give him some encouragement.
They (Congress members & lobbyists) are meeting about the economic mess over the weekend- it's now Saturday afternoon.
What have you done today to express your outrage over this latest bailout?
To make demands?
We need to get out there or make some phone calls, or something!!
"It is because we have an economic system that measures our collective health based exclusively on GDP growth. So what is really being called into question by the crisis is the unquestioned commitment to growth at all costs."
Excellent question.
Answer: There is an embedded growth virus in legal tender.
http://theformofmoney.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2005/9/18/1236759.html
"Where this crisis should lead us is to a radically different way for our societies to measure health and progress."
Merely questioning the virus will lead to a radically different way. Not removing the virus is more of the same.
http://theformofmoney.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2007/12/18/3413918.html
Naomi for President!!
Can I be VP?
Naomi:
I hate to do this, but you are wrong, "Free Market Ideology", American Capitalism, or any other term used to describe our economy is over, done, no mas, and yes indeed - finished.
It is an unsustainable economic model, and without having to go through a long treatise on the Economic History of America, venture over to Wikipedia and look up Sir Walter Raleigh.
American Venture Capitalism was doomed from the moment Sir Walter Raleigh stepped foot on our shores. Three paragraphs on Wikipedia give you all the clues you need to figure it out.
Paulson, Bernanke, and the rest, are freaking out because they finally understand now, that this crisis is more than bailing out their friends, or even the end of American Capitalism, the American Empire is on the verge of collapse - Soviet style.
Do The World A Favor And Retire!
Green Retirement Planning
"American Venture Capitalism was doomed from the moment Sir Walter Raleigh stepped foot on our shores."
Well, that's an interesting use of the term "doomed," since he set his feet upon our shores over 400 years ago. That's been a "doom" a long time coming. I suppose if capitalism dies a sordid death in two or three hundred years, progressives will feel vindicated. More likely, it will keep going thru these torturous boom and bust cycles because The People will never really figure out any effective way of organizing to bring it down, and throw the bastards in prison for life (or worse) who've created this hell on earth for about 90% of us while they have yacht parties and live like the Rich and Famous. Instead, we'll mainly just continue adoring and idolizing them, wishing to be among them instead of wishing for their heads on a pike. For another few hundred years or so anyway. After that they're DOOMED.
Alan MacDonald
Yes, Green, crooked capitalism will die, and the corporatist Empire hiding behind the facade of this 'Vichy' American government will die also.
The currently unraveling big lie about global resources and survival is in essence just a bigger (global version) of the formerly biggest lie in the world, which the ruling-elite have been parroting at least for the last half century; namely, "that a rising tide will lift all boats". The absurdity of this lie can only be compared with a predatory pack of wolves saying, “More predatory behavior will not only be good for us but also for you sheep”.
It is beyond irony that the very analogy and allusion (illusion) that the ruling elite had settled upon in the late twentieth century (and particularly since the Reagan era) as their last argument to keep the poor poor, and to justify the investment stream that can only spout from a high degree of global and US inequality; that a ‘rising tide will lift all boats’, is now so precisely and ineluctably the harsh and contradicting reality that, in the 21st century, is ushering in the very real rising tides of global warming that will sink the elite’s last justification of their sanctimonious economic eliteness --- and expose the whole idea of ‘growth’ as nothing but a predatory cancerous metastasis through negative externality dumping.
When this last illusion of ‘growth’ requiring elite capital concentration is gone then all justification of economic inequality is exposed as the lie that it is, and will disappear also.
Resource sloth, profligacy, and most importantly 'perdition' is a factor linked only to 'predator' mindset and philosophy ---- not to geography, nationality, race, religion or other guileful, PR 'cover stories'. 'Predator mindset' and predatory behavior with respect to resource predation is seminally linked to only one issue ---- the predatory 'class' issue that "what's beneficial to me may hurt or kill other creatures, but that's what I choose to do as a predator". I would only expand your example of driving a "15mpg status car" to the more significant elite ruling-class example of using a 200 gallon per HOUR power yacht, or 1000 gallon per HOUR private jet for purely extravagant luxury pleasure use to show where the real excessive 'resource predation' target belongs.
This is not an issue of nationality, countries or 'civilizations' of the globe, but rather an elite 'predatory mindset' characteristic of 'class' commonality anywhere in the world. Just as wolf, lion, or shark predator behavior is not properly scientifically characterized as "those American wolves, those Asian wolves, or those European wolves", neither is it appropriate (nor usefully revealing) to characterize human predator behavior (and mindset) as American, European, Asian or other resource predators --- since the 'class' of the mammal (or creature) is the proper basis for scientific categorizing and understanding, not the geographical location!
As we humans near the abyss of environmental and species survivability it is critically important that we understand that elitist and imperialist PR propaganda, like the absurd distractive fairy tales of Samuel Huntington's "Clash of Civilizations" only hide, divide, and incite racial, nation-state, and regional wars for the global corporate elite control of ever more scarce resources (firstly oil) from the reality that we are facing not any trumped up 'Clash of Civilizations', but rather only seek to obscure the reality of our common society of average people to the real "Clash of Classes"; between honest, average, 'working class', and most importantly 'non-predatory' people everywhere on our globe, and the small, but guileful and global corporate ruling-elite Empire of predation hiding behind their facade of "Vichy America".
Very good points. Would not know what to add.
Except , maybe, I dont think it is in ALL of our DNA. I think that, given awareness and decent circumstances, the majority of humans stil have a deeply ingrained sense of "fairness". That is one reason why so mnay people are so angry. I could be wrong.
If I am--were are fu**ed
Yes, I agree, it's in our DNA.
The ruling class and those in government who represent them don't give a shit about the working class and the working poor.
They never have. The only time they give us a second thought is when they are afraid of us.
Exactly. Which is why one needs parties in parliaments that they are afraid of.
Some of the first social legislation in Europe in the 19th century was, after all, enacted by Bismarck, no friend of workers at all.
Why? Because he was scared shitless that the rising Socialist and Communist movements might eventually become a menace to the rule of his class, unless he did something about their issues. So he pacified them by introducing - considering the times - fairly progressive social legislation.
A lesson.
Well, we should make them afriad of us! You know, I keep hearing how we had to do this. But the amount just keeps getting bigger, and, unmless the Dems "lay down the law" on Tuesday,(that will be the day!!) this is just another giant bail out for the rich--the biggest one of all.
It's reassuring to hear someone repeat that "free trade" IS really an ideology, and one that repeatedly is proven to lead to disaster, yet adherents doggedly cling to their faith. I've read one libertarian pundit who says we should have let Fannie and Freddie fail, AIG go down, etc., just like any other private business. At least he's sticking to his guns. IMO American business is operating precisely as designed by the oligarchic elite that others speak of. The situation appears to be this: American business gets to operate in as reckless a manner as possible because when the stuff hits the fan, they know the taxpayer will bail them out. They know it! This is the way they think things are SUPPOSED to work. It’s all a giant sham.
In other words, if you think this is vindication, you're wasting your breath. And if you think they'll "do the right thing" because the facts are self evident, you're wrong. We have to change the system because they will not.
Klein wrote:
"During boom times, it's profitable to preach laissez faire, because an absentee government allows speculative bubbles to inflate. When those bubbles burst, the ideology becomes a hindrance, and it goes dormant while big government rides to the rescue. But rest assured: the ideology will come roaring back when the bailouts are done. The massive debts the public is accumulating to bail out the speculators will then become part of a global budget crisis that will be the rationalisation for deep cuts to social programmes, and for a renewed push to privatise what is left of the public sector. We will also be told that our hopes for a green future are, sadly, too costly."
This sounds like a borrowing from Linda McQuaig's Cult of Impotence mixed in with her own Disaster Capitalism - and very likely McCain's game plan. Klein is saying (like McQuaig did before her) that the US government will argue that they can't "afford" these things because the cupboard is bare. Strangely, unlike Health Care and Education, tax cuts to the very wealthy will be considered too much of a necessity for them to do away with.
As NDP leader Jack Layton says concerning everything the big corporations don't want us to have: "Don't let them tell you it can't be done."
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=YyF3o11NtLY&feature=user
"It is because we have an economic system that measures our collective health based exclusively on GDP growth. So long as the junk loans were fuelling economic growth, our governments actively supported them."
True, but only because "economic growth" benefits the oligarchy at the same time as integrating the citizenry into a consumerist/corporatist culture that is sold as "beneficial". From any other angle the GDP is literally insane. We could be dying in an epidemic of cancer, but if medical and related industries show profit above a certain level (which they would certainly try to attain, if necessary with taxpayer assistance) our "collective health" would be seen as good.
The phoniness and hypocrisy of the whole concept of economic growth in real conditions is forcefully illustrated in the GDP. We need *standards* of economic, social, and environmental health and any measurement should be subsidiary.
The fiscal & economic policies should reward productive enterprises - ones that generates _real_ goods, services & jobs as against ones that generate speculative wealth - based on money changing hands & legally sanctioned Ponzi schemes - where the supply of real goods stays the same, however valuations are allowed to be infalted, simply because the speculators (read as "predators") have moved in.
IMHO, all investment income must be taxed at a _much_ higher rate than income earned from goods & services. Also, new businesses that chart out to generate new goods and jobs should taxed at a lower level than the rest. (Of course, there should be checks in order that old businesses are not rebranded as new businesses to take advantage of tax concessions).
Investment/speculative should be taxed at a SOMEWHAT higher rate than it now is. This money provides important functions in our economy, e.g. talk of attacking Iran generally brings in speculative money to raise the price of oil, thereby possibly averting a war. Regular earned income should not be taxed for the first 50 or 100,000 or so. Why discourage work? Government should get the biggest chunk of money from taxes on oil and coal consumption and other polluting energy forms. This is the best way to both decrease our dependence on foreign oil and to fight global climate change. Trying to give new businesses more than minimal tax breaks becomes a legalistic nightmare to avoid all the 'new' businesses. No legislative safeguards will work.
Throw out all current "trade agreements".
Eliminate all income taxes, including corporate.
Impose tariffs of 200% or more on all imported goods.
We would see full employment tomorrow.
Shoot my ideas full of holes, but something similar will work.
-- EKATON --
And where would your average American do his and her shopping in that case? Most of what their beloved Wal-Mart sells them is made in China or Vietnam. And that's why it is so cheap that they can afford it.
Unless you at the same time add to your list
"Finally introduce a mandatory living wage,
reinstate unions at every workplace,
introduce annual collective bargaining agreements between employers and unions for wages in every sector,
introduce universal health care,
regulate financial markets,
put a ceiling to managers' salaries and ban stock options as part of their remuneration,
ban all trading in derivatives,
introduce the Tobin Tax"
(I am sure I left out a few others)
yours would be a recipe for the Great Depression Revisited.
And where would your average American do his and her shopping in that case? Most of what their beloved Wal-Mart sells them is made in China or Vietnam. And that's why it is so cheap that they can afford it.
Well, wouldn't that just be too damn bad that people couldn't obtain the latest useless trinkets?
Unless you at the same time add to your list
"Finally introduce a mandatory living wage,
As corporations scrambled to meet demand (for the latest useless trinkets, but more likely for real necessities, like shoes) they would bid up wages for employees with the skills to produce, and if these were not available they would scramble to train employees for the skills to produce the needed goods (like shoes).
reinstate unions at every workplace,
This might or might not evolve as demand drives production.
introduce annual collective bargaining agreements between employers and unions for wages in every sector,
See above.
introduce universal health care,
Health care and other benefits originally occurred as corporations competed for skilled labor -- please work here because we'll give you health care while our competitors do not... yet...
regulate financial markets,
Please elaborate.
put a ceiling to managers' salaries and ban stock options as part of their remuneration,
Okay. So?
ban all trading in derivatives,
Of course.
introduce the Tobin Tax"
(I am sure I left out a few others)
Okay.
yours would be a recipe for the Great Depression Revisited.
I disagree. Companies would be scrambling for employees. Full employment would occur as the wealthy invested capital heavily in domestic production because domestic products would be so much cheaper due to the huge tariffs.
Of course this flies in the face of the currently accepted paradigm of "globalization" which is nothing more than a race to the bottom for employees worldwide.
-- EKATON --
"This spectacle necessarily raises the question: if the state can intervene to save corporations that took reckless risks in the housing markets, why can't it intervene to prevent millions of Americans from imminent foreclosure? By the same token, if $85bn can be made instantly available to buy the insurance giant AIG, why is single-payer health care - which would protect Americans from the predatory practices of health-care insurance companies - seemingly such an unattainable dream? And if ever more corporations need taxpayer funds to stay afloat, why can't taxpayers make demands in return - like caps on executive pay, and a guarantee against more job losses?"e
Thank you, Naomi Klein, for homing in on the right questions! Never have clear-sighted, well informed minds been a more indispensable commodity than at this fateful juncture!
The Enron Nation Runs Aground
Just taking a cruise on the Enron nation
as It floats in misfortune on a sea of despair
buoyed up on the blue but leaking red
First class is knowing what’s not been said
For we’re the Enron nation
on uncharted New American Century seas
and we have a heavy load these days
with riffraff bailouts called free market life risk rafts
for the needy few
who call big time plunder
a market slightly asunder
not to mention the awe of
payloads called ‘freedom’ delivered by stealth
the short sold pay days for the empires’ health
Make way for the ice and the gold and the bergs
We’re goin down while our bail out bandits
float trillion dollar life boats from the the seething trough
as the thieving bubble baron bandits make out like the Visigoths
as the new Rome wells up in public plundered purse
with no anchors to slow the Enron nation’s curse
Our course is set by back room bankers boys and such
who scheme up fraud based finance
with clever cons so opaque they don’t need pawns
Their debt based skirmish is the starter for a better mulch
like victims for soil,
for our life blood is greed oiled with gushers of sleeze..
Oil that is gushing out like avarice on the shores of need,
while the Enron nation like a predator plunder tanker......
runs aground.
thanks
Thank you , Naomi. She can finally get a word in (unlike on Maher's show)
I just want to know WHY--WHY people, are you unable/unwilling to do anythign about this. Nobody can do it alone. But where the hell did US citizens get the idea that, "well, thats just how it is", or 'well what can we do"?? I just dont get it.
We could actually plan somethibng right here. Anybody?
So, they pull a shock on you again and you know it--adn you just say "oh well". We do not have to let this happen.The US can be whatever we want it to be. CMON AMERICA!! FOR THE LIVES OF POOR PEOPLE SLEEPING IN THE STREETS TONITE!
Or are the "Merkin" people just going to roll over and play dead. This isnt capitalism. it is an oligarchy, and it is harming the entire planet.It is uncosntitutitonal, but, even a word about impeaching bush or charging him with murder and everyone goes, "oh, we cant, lets just wait for the election".
Even if you think Obama is the "leader of a broad progressive coalition"--what good is he going to be able to do if all the citizens are numb??
These modest proposals have been done--and the govt cheats again. It is the entire economic system. I am just in despair about the lack of a response from so-called "progressives".
Its not a right. Its a responsibility that peoel died for. Better dead than "our collective health based exclusively on GDP". But, maybe that's just me.
I feel your pain and I share it.
If you happen to have the time to read something brilliant, albeit fairly long, look at this lecture
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/09/myth-america-a-stand-up-tragedy/
I am actually beginning to wonder whether they habitually add Valium to the drinking water in the US..or else it's just the complete lack of comparison to and ignorance of the quality of life of other places in the world that makes them so complacent?
Greetings from Europe!
Araquin,
It could just be the fluoride. The Nazis used it in the concentration camps to pacify the prisoners. After the war, when Nazis were brought to the U.S., they turned us on to the idea of adding it to our water systems. But there's also a lot of other toxic substance floating around as well. Our drinking water is very vulnerable to added poisons without a doubt.