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Banks ‘Too Big to Fail’ Have Grown Even Bigger
Behemoths Born of the Bailout Reduce Consumer Choice, Tempt Corporate Moral Hazard
When the credit crisis struck last year, federal regulators pumped tens of billions of dollars into the nation's leading financial institutions because the banks were so big that officials feared their failure would ruin the entire financial system.
MORAL HAZARD INDEED -- U.S. President Barack Obama walks alongside Robert Wolf, Chairman and CEO of UBS Group Americas, as the play golf at Farm Neck Golf Course at Oak Bluffs on Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, August 24, 2009.
On the first day of his vacation in Martha’s Vineyard, President Obama spent five hours golfing with UBS executive Robert Wolf, an early financial backer of Obama’s presidential campaign. As the pair teed off, another UBS banker, Bradley Birkenfeld, had just been handed a forty-month prison sentence after pleading guilty to assisting a client evade taxes. It was the first sentence in a wider scandal that has seen UBS admit to helping wealthy Americans dodge their tax obligations. On his own initiative, Birkenfeld blew the whistle on UBS. His disclosure and cooperation with US authorities provided inside information into the bank’s conduct and sparked the massive federal investigation.
REUTERS/Jason Reed Today, the biggest of those banks are even bigger.
The crisis may be turning out very well for many of the behemoths that dominate U.S. finance. A series of federally arranged mergers safely landed troubled banks on the decks of more stable firms. And it allowed the survivors to emerge from the turmoil with strengthened market positions, giving them even greater control over consumer lending and more potential to profit.
J.P. Morgan Chase, an amalgam of some of Wall Street's most storied institutions, now holds more than $1 of every $10 on deposit in this country. So does Bank of America, scarred by its acquisition of Merrill Lynch and partly government-owned as a result of the crisis, as does Wells Fargo, the biggest West Coast bank. Those three banks, plus government-rescued and -owned Citigroup, now issue one of every two mortgages and about two of every three credit cards, federal data show.
A year after the near-collapse of the financial system last September, the federal response has redefined how Americans get mortgages, student loans and other kinds of credit and has made a national spectacle of executive pay. But no consequence of the crisis alarms top regulators more than having banks that were already too big to fail grow even larger and more interconnected.
"It is at the top of the list of things that need to be fixed," said Sheila C. Bair, chairman of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. "It fed the crisis, and it has gotten worse because of the crisis."
Regulators' concerns are twofold: that consumers will wind up with fewer choices for services and that big banks will assume they always have the government's backing if things go wrong. That presumed guarantee means large companies could return to the risky behavior that led to the crisis if they figure federal officials will clean up their mess.
This problem, known as "moral hazard," is partly why government officials are keeping a tight rein on bailed-out banks -- monitoring executive pay, reviewing sales of major divisions -- and it is driving the Obama administration's efforts to create a new regulatory system to prevent another crisis. That plan would impose higher capital standards on large institutions and empower the government to take over a wide range of troubled financial firms to wind down their businesses in an orderly way.
"The dominant public policy imperative motivating reform is to address the moral hazard risk created by what we did, what we had to do in the crisis to save the economy," Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner said in an interview.
The worry for consumers is that the bailouts skewed the financial industry in favor of the big and powerful. Fresh data from the FDIC show that big banks have the ability to borrow more cheaply than their peers because creditors assume these large companies are not at risk of failing. That imbalance could eventually squeeze out smaller competitors. Already, consumers are seeing fewer choices and higher prices for financial services, some senior government officials warn.
Those mergers were largely the government's making. Regulators pushed failing mortgage lenders and Wall Street firms into the arms of even bigger banks and handed out billions of dollars to ensure that the deals would go through. They say they reluctantly arranged the marriages. Their aim was to dull the shock caused by collapses and prevent confidence in the U.S. financial system from crumbling.
Officials waived long-standing regulations to make the deals work. J.P. Morgan Chase, Bank of America and Wells Fargo were each allowed to hold more than 10 percent of the nation's deposits despite a rule barring such a practice. In several metropolitan regions, these banks were permitted to take market share beyond what the Department of Justice's antitrust guidelines typically allow, Federal Reserve documents show.
"There's been a significant consolidation among the big banks, and it's kind of hollowing out the banking system," said Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody's Economy.com. "You'll be left with very large institutions and small ones that fill in the cracks. But it'll be difficult for the mid-tier institutions to thrive."
"The oligopoly has tightened," he added.
Consumer Choice
Federal officials and advocacy groups are just beginning to study the impact of the crisis on consumers, but there is some evidence that the mergers are creating new challenges for ordinary Americans.
In the last quarter, the top four banks raised fees related to deposits by an average of 8 percent, according to research from the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas. Striving to stay competitive, smaller banks lowered their fees by an average of 12 percent.
"None of us are saying dismember these institutions. But you do want to create a system that allows for others to grow, where no one has an oligopolistic power at the expense of others who might be able to provide financial services to consumers," said Richard Fisher, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas.
Normally, when faced with price increases, consumers simply switch. But industry officials said that is not so easy when it comes to financial services.
In Santa Cruz, Calif., Wells Fargo, Bank of America and J.P. Morgan Chase hold three-quarters of the deposit market. Each firm was given tens of billions of dollars in bailout funds to help it swallow other banks.
The rest of the market, which consists of a handful of tiny community banks, cannot match the marketing power of the bigger banks. Instead, presidents of the smaller companies said, they must offer more personalized service and adapt to technological changes more quickly to entice customers. Some acknowledged it can be a tough fight.
Wells Fargo is "really, really good at the way they cross-sell and get their tentacles around you," said Richard Hofstetter, president of Lighthouse Bank, whose only branch is in Santa Cruz. "Their customers have multiple areas of their financial life involved with Wells Fargo. If you have a checking account and an ATM and a credit card and a home-equity line and automatic bill payments . . . to change that is a major undertaking."
Wells Fargo, J.P. Morgan and Bank of America declined to comment for this article.
Last October, when the Fed was arranging the merger between Wells Fargo and Wachovia, it identified six other metropolitan regions in which the combined company would either exceed the Justice Department's antitrust guidelines or hold more than a third of an area's deposits. But the central bank thought local competition in each of those places was sufficient to allow the merger to go through, documents show.
Camden Fine, president of the Independent Community Bankers of America, said those comments reveal the government's preferential treatment of big banks. He doubted whether the Fed would approve the merger of community banks if the combined company ended up controlling more a third of the market.
"To favor one class of financial institutions over another class skews the market. You don't have a free market; you have a government-favored market," he said. "We will never have free markets again if you have the government picking winners and losers."
Moral Hazard
Before the crisis, many creditors thought that the big institutions were a relatively safe investment because they were diversified and thus unlikely to fail. If one line of business struggled, each bank had other ventures to keep the franchise afloat. And even if the entire house caught fire, wouldn't the government step in to cover the losses?
With executives comforted by that thinking, risk came unhinged from investment decisions. Wall Street borrowed to make money without having enough in reserves to cover potential losses. The pursuit of profit was put ahead of the regard for safety and soundness.
The federal bailouts only reinforced the thought that government would save big banks, no matter how horrible their decisions.
Today, even with the memory of the crisis fresh in their minds, creditors are granting big institutions more favorable treatment because they know the government is backing them, FDIC officials said.
Large banks with more than $100 billion in assets are borrowing at interest rates 0.34 percentage points lower than the rest of the industry. Back in 2007, that advantage was only 0.08 percentage points, according to the FDIC. Such differences can cause huge variance in borrowing costs given the massive amount of money that flows through banks.
Many of the largest banks reported a surge in profit during the most recent quarter, including J.P. Morgan Chase and Goldman Sachs. They are prospering while many regional and community banks are struggling. Nearly three dozen of the smaller institutions have failed since July 1, including Community Bank of Nevada and Alabama-based Colonial Bank just last week.
If the government continues to back big firms over small, regulators worry that reckless behavior could return to Wall Street.
The administration's regulatory reform plan takes aim at this problem by penalizing banks for being big. It would require large institutions to hold more capital and pay higher regulatory fees, as well as allow the government to liquidate them in an orderly way if they begin to fail. The plan also seeks to bolster nontraditional channels of finance to create competition for large banks. If Congress approves the proposal, Geithner said, it would be clear at launch which financial companies would face these measures.
Economists and officials debate whether these steps would address the too-big-to-fail problem. Some say, for instance, that determining the precise amount of capital big financial companies should hold in their reserves will be difficult.
Geithner acknowledged that difficulty but said the administration would probably lean toward being more strict. Taken together, the combination of reforms would be a powerful counterbalance to big banks, he said.
"Our system is not going to be significantly more concentrated than it is today," Geithner said. "And it's important to remember that even now, our system remains much less concentrated and will continue to provide more choice for consumers and businesses than any other major economy in the world."

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Show Alltell me that wasn't their plan all along--"screw the little people," says the big fat pigs.
And who says that one little round of golf can't improve your company's bottom line? Barack Obama played golf this week with Robert Wolf, CEO of UBS Bank which, despite the company's legal troubles with the U.S. over Swiss bank income tax evasion, has been able to grow fatter off bailout funding that was laundered through bailouts to A.I.G. UBS, like Citigroup for example, is now way too well-connected as well as big to be allowed to fail. Fore, playing through!
didn't take obama very long to show his real self did it?
the thing he's really interested is his re election
coffers everyone else GO F YOURSELF! peace out.
Wow! Common Dreams publishes a libertarian and pro-free market story. Does this mean progressives are beginning to understand the evils of big federal government and government intervention in the market. You can thank Paul Krugman and FDR and the Fed for this mess and it will only get messier. The Federal Bank should be abolished. Just think Paul Krugman was bragging last week about what a great thing the bailout was. But just as this article makes clear wouldn't it have been better to listen to libertarians and free market advocates and instead let these banks die. While you are at it, get rid of all government subsidies, for nukes, for GE food, etc... Cut military spending to a fraction of what it is. For more on the moral hazard of the Fed, Paul Krugman and our economy built on debt and government intervention since the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, be sure to visit mises.org. I am not associated with them at all, just a humble suggestion if this article interests you then you can find more there.
ATLAW sez: "Just think Paul Krugman was bragging last week about what a great thing the bailout was."
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Not really. Krugman was talking about the stimulus bill. (And it was a pretty tepid piece of 'bragging' at that).
Hopefully the website to which you direct readers contains more accurate information.
What you say, of course, is mostly nonsense. Let's look at historic examples (and they are endless). In Chile, after the overthrow of Allende, YOUR ideas were tried (not entirely, because it is impossible and will never happen, which will allow you to bitch forever about your far off utopia). Mass privatizations, massive reductions in marginal tax rates, financial liberalization (which always results in capital flight the second rich investors don't like policies, no matter how popular, which creates an invisible government), removal of most regulations, no minimum wage laws, no rights for workers to form unions (for capitalists it was ok), amongst other horrors. The economy grew, at the expense of the working class, but it grew and macroeconomic growth is all that matters to people like you. How that growth is spread doesn't matter as long as people have "individual freedom" as defined by you. In the early 1980's though the whole thing collapsed and Chile had to have a government takeover of the economy far beyond even what Allende did. People like you pissed and moaned, never thinking critically how your policies lead to what was at the time the largest economic depression and collapse in Latin American history. You can look at that same region for endless examples. The same holds for Bolivia, Argentina, Venezuela (the site of the first riots and revolts thanks to the effects of your policies a decade before Chavez came to power). There are endless examples in US history, as most people are aware. It is virtually impossible in most countries in the region to get elected if the candidate wants to implement policies closer to your philosophy. If they are so wonderful why is this? Don’t these people appreciate their “individual freedom”?
If you want to read a REAL economist, not utopian nonsense, read Karl Polanyi's "The Great Transformation", an economic classic written by a socialist the same year that the "The Road to Serfdom" was released. He pointed out that your stark utopia (his words) is impossible, but governments sometimes try to reach that utopia. The effects of these policies cause society to try to protect itself, which he called the double movement, leading to a very radical reaction. We are seeing this now, and people calling for more of what is failing are simply digging their own graves with their coffee house economics.
There has NEVER been in modern times a "libertarian" economic system and there are also no examples of pure "socialist" economies (That is if you define socialism as state control. If you do then Japan, South Korea and Taiwan are not capitalist success stories but socialist success stories. So be careful, don't deny yourself the few victories you have). Economies are mixtures. However, we and most of the rest of the world have gone far more towards a "free market" in recent years than "socialism". If you can damn socialism for increased state intervention (even if the economy is a mixture) you have to logically damn the "free market" on the same lines. If you refuse to then you are a hypocrite. The effects have been horrific. Massive increases in debt, growing wealth disparities, the hallowing out of democracy, environmental destruction, amongst other things. Yes, we could have the state do nothing. Again, when in history has an economic collapse happened, no Keynesian counter cyclical measures were implemented, and the economy pulled out of it, benefiting far more people than it hurt? I know of none. Japan just had a “lost decade” in large part because they refused to spend, and their collapse wasn’t nearly as big as ours. Explain what will happen if the “free market” is left to itself and no counter-cyclical measures are put in place. Spell it out and sell it to working people. I expect nothing but silence.
There are solutions to this but they are too radical for this government and country at this point in time. Your ideas though are a horrible failure and it seems that no massive failure is ever enough to get you to reconsider your philosophy. If you want to preach it at the coffee house, go ahead, I’ll be damned if you destroy this country further though because you want to go further towards your impossible, stark utopia.
Wilber, that was really beautiful. I already have Hayek's book and will order Polany's as soon as I can. Let me say though while I mostly agree with the gist of your argument - lacking some form of outside intervention, there can indeed never be a redistribution of wealth or at least of opportunities thereto - there is still nevertheless validity in the Mises-proponent's words. The truth is that there is much truth in both positions. And to be honest I have never yet found any one school of thought that fundamentally satisfies me in a way that I'm convinced that the two most important structural necessities are met: 1) that the system is sustainable (objective soundness) and 2) that the system is fair and as equitable as can reasonably be expected (subjective soundness). The problem with Mises, exactly as you point out, is there is seemingly no way out of the necessarily resultant deflationary consequences and the horrific, savage and inescapable inequalities they pose for the average person. But at the same time you must also recognize that every Keynesian-like approach always has inherent and necessary inflation dilemmas. The first approach is systematically perfect and inhuman while the second quite human but lacking in legitimacy. Both for these reasons are doomed to fail. The only solution to this dilemma that I have found - well actually, not found, but thought of, myself that is - is this: while a person is alive, have the state allow them to make as much money as they want in any ways they wish, have no regulations (except environmental ones), no taxes, nothing! But upon death, the state must forcefully appropriate 99% of said individual's wealth. If you - or anyone else - can come up with a realistic formula where such a system might be implementable, you - and I - will have come up with the greatest economic system ever devised. This system would possess the greatest attributes of socialism - equitable distribution of wealth and economic opportunity – as well as capitalism - genuine incentive and reward for individual effort - while simultaneously avoiding the downsides of either - inflation, social immobility. Looking forward to (hopefully) hearing your thoughts.
There are some good ideas there, most definitely, but I don’t see any stateless system working in a society with as large of differences in wealth and ownership of resources as the one we live in (or any other existing capitalist society). The only way any stateless economic and social system can possibly work (and I say this as social anarchist) is if it is followed by a social revolution where differences in wealth are evened out. If you don’t have that, if you leave the large differences in wealth in place then take away any social organizations that guarantee any basic rights, you have the conditions for private tyranny of the likes we’ve never seen. Think about it. I and a few others own all of the wealth that you and the people of a town need to survive. The state is dissolved; there are no social organizations, no government, nothing. You need a job, you have bills, so you come to me. I say that I’ll pay you only what you need to stay alive, nothing more. You have the “right” in libertarianland to refuse this, no “coercion” as they define it. So you can say no, and in this world of huge differences in wealth, you might be able to move somewhere close by (if you can afford it) or go to the other large land owner for work. Realistically though, the place close by would be in the same position, with a few people owning the means of survival. So you chose to work. You have the choice to work for poverty wages or to starve along with your family and there is no organization that exists anymore that can help you. If you say no, there are endless amounts of other people around who will do the work. Single women with children would be the best in this situation because they would be the neediest. Pregnant women would be the worse because of missed work and productivity. What a horrible world that would be, except for the capitalist who owns what you need to survive. He’ll get to monopolize your surplus and use it for luxury consumption (outside of what he invests in his business, the lowest cost of which would obviously be labor).
There are many problems the capitalist system faces, the biggest of which is the environment. Consumption cannot grow forever, we cannot ignore environmental externalities and social costs forever (which we do in prices and national indices like GDP). The capitalist system is based on continued growth. If the monetary base does not grow, after awhile we call it a recession, longer a depression. If the financial markets do not grow (as they have been for decades along with debt) then we have financial crises. Well, how many more ecosystems can we continue to exploit, and over consume from? How many forests (realizing a small fraction of old growth forests are left in the world and the highest deforestation rates are increasingly in these areas) can we continue to destroy, how many ocean environments can we increasingly exploit, how much more pollution can we continue to emit? All of these problems are almost completely ignored in orthodox economics and there is no realistic way to deal with this within capitalism. The libertarians think that the best idea is to have people go to court at duke it out. Makes TOTAL sense. If a giant corporation pollutes my drinking water surely I’ll be able to have them pay my medical bills and repay me for work lost, right? They won’t wait it out forever, paying a fraction of the costs they pushed off onto me or simply wait for me to die out, right?
Also, how can we get out the situation we’re in now without increased inflation (inflation is NOT bad unless it is happening thanks to debt based consumption or under extreme conditions. In healthy economies it simply means that people have surplus income and are spending. The opposite happens when people have no money and the increased productivity is monopolized by the people not working, like now)? Wages have stagnated for decades while productivity has increased. Who has benefited from the productivity? The people who are more productive? No. Debt has increased many times over along with the financial markets. The only way to decrease debt is to have wages increase at a rate higher than the interest people have to pay to pay off the debt, which would cause inflation to go up. We don’t have to do that, we could keep people in debt or make it worse, but I don’t think that’s a good idea.
A couple of economists you might like: Robin Hahnel (I think he’s a genius and writes a lot of participatory economics, articulates better than I can the problems with capitalism and markets) and the ecological economist Herman Daly. Do you disagree with what I’m saying?
I think taxing wealth at the end of life would be a good idea, but it would be met with a lot of resistance. It would be justified logically, but people would think of it as the state taking away people’s wealth. No regulations is dangerous from my perspective in the sense that we all have conflicting interests and rights and no regulations would tend to benefit the stronger of the parties involved with economic transactions. I say that logically and because of what has happened when that idea has been implemented. Maybe you have some good examples of that working for all, not just the more powerful?
I do agree with you and your arguments are indeed very sound. I will in fact read up on Hahnel. Your point in the third to last paragraph is especially and fundamentally correct and it is a testament to the stupidity of people that intellgent arguments against overly worshipped "productivity" - or essentially the same thing, Greenspan's disgusting - "wealth effect" - are so rarely made. My point about inflation is just that at some point the bubbles that are created - as attested to by the current world financial situation - have to be dealt with in a way that's equitable and that lends legitimacy to the system. (Unless you close your system to otutside influence, there will always exist outside pressures to pop the inlfation bubbles as a result of natural competing forces. And even if you do close your system successfully - which is quite difficult in and of itself - were outside systems to copy yours, this, ultimately, would not be something that you would welcome for in the end the equally "good" standard of living acheived would essentially lose its meaning and people's gathered wealth would come to equal gathered poverty. Churchill was right when he stated that capitalism is the unequal distribution of wealth while communism is the equal distribution of poverty. Again, my point is that the progressive side always reveals its limits in its staticity and inability to use objective referrents as a measure of wealth and in the end this always becomes problematic. There would be no meaning to "rich" without "poor" and vice versa.) In any case, my own opinion on the inability of so many westerners, especially Americans, to see the downsides of productivity is that this necessarliy comes from the inescapable limits of western thought - the historical western focus on individual elements without any attention to their effects on the whole such as "free commodoties" in classic economics like water and air and this speaks to the very accurate observations you made about environmental problems. In fact, I would argue that environmental problems are a sort of "evidence" of the lies of western culture - something that is not healthy, something that is unsustainable, is at once NOT TRUE because it does not fit with the deep underlying logic of the phenomenon of "flesh" (earth, our own bodies, etc..) as defined by phenomenologist Merleau-Ponty. Truth never exists without some objective referrent and so we can indeed say that pollution is evidence of the lies of western culture/Cartesian atomistic thought.
It is difficult for me to speculate on other ideas that might address the issues we are trying to solve since as I mentioned I have never yet come upon a school of thought that I have not found problematic, except for my own end-of-life compulsory tax system. Perhaps to make it more pallatable to people, it can become a two-generation affair where the government does its appropriations every other generation. Nevertheless, and as you so correctly point out, absent some outside entity "forcing" this distribution, there is nothing to prevent permanent savage inequalities and permanent social immobility. Whether my death/estate tax - or any other taxes - are popular or not, if it is a more equitable and fairer society we choose to create, then it is absolutely unavoidable that such taxes be collected to ensure that at minimum most future generations have at least a semblance of an equal opportunity to wealth. Otherwise, the game will forever be rigged. Even the animal world would be far fairer than a strictly liberatarian position since at least and at some point the "lion king" loses his strength and gives way to new kings.
If you're interested:
Robin Hahnel
http://www.chicagoparecon.org/what_is_to_be_done_by_robin_hahnel
http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/the_way_we_live/article6011322.ece
http://www.zmag.org/zspace/robinhahnel
http://www.amazon.com/Economic-Justice-Democracy-Competition-Twenty-First/dp/0415933455/ref=ed_oe_p
Herman Daly
http://dieoff.org/page88.htm
http://www.iisd.org/didigest/special/DALY.HTM
http://www.grist.org/article/bank
http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Growth-Economics-Sustainable-Development/dp/0807047090
Rereading this article, it is a little weird, sort of stating the obvious that the government has really messed things up and there is huge moral hazard in government intervention but then implying that more government intervention might help it. But thankfully there are also some libertarian perspectives:
"To favor one class of financial institutions over another class skews the market. You don't have a free market; you have a government-favored market," he said. "We will never have free markets again if you have the government picking winners and losers."
That quote of course comes from the small business perspective which of course knows that big federal government always favors big corporations. The government will only continue to mess things up, they will not "fix" anything. And it isn't that it is corrupted, although it is, it is that simply guaranteeing the banks can do whatever they want because they will always be TBTF is a moral hazard, no matter how pure the government is, that sort of intervention will always be encourage risk and lead to crisises. The Great Depression came shortly after the establishment of the Fed. There's a reason for that. And there was an excessive amount of other goverment interventions in the market leading up to the collapse. After WW2, and changing geopolitics got us out of that mess, we've been coasting on more and more consumer and public debt for decades and now we are seeing the results and we will not be out of this mess soon and everything the Fed does and economists like Krugman suggest will make things worse. Just as this article makes clear.
Your ire is misplaced. The free market is a myth.
The problem is clear: What we are witnessing (re: the bank bailouts) is the fascistic takeover of large international corporations of OUR representative government.
Real power lies outside of the political system.
Dismissing this ideological rant is so easy that it may lead some to ignore the problems with the bailout of the financial industry. Pretending that "free markets" actually means something holy is pure nonsense.
The core problem with the bailout as I and a lot of other people see it is that consumer consumption accounts for 65-70% of our economy, yet the bailout is directed exclusively toward the financial industry that accounts for around 12% of the economy. The investors get a trillion dollars and the consumers get happy talk. Moreover the necessity of maintaining this rhetoric requires obscuring the fact that the bandaid bailouts won't cure the cancer at the core of our economy. It is absurd to think we can have a stable economy that is 70% dependent on consumer spending, while at the same time we reward investment far more generously than we reward work. Investors require continuous growth, with the attendant booms and busts, while consumer-workers prosper from stability. Our consumer dependent economy begs for economic democracy.
And Investors are getting their growth. Wall Street is at it again, repackaging debt: as an asset called "derivatives" if I understantd the latest Ponzi Scheme correctly.
In the face of half a million Americans losing their jobs, home and security a month.
The "Consumer Based" economy is a fraud. As was the "Service Based" economy was before that (You remember, we offshored all our manufacturing base and tooling as an "end-run" around labor contracts and working conditions and EPA rules. We did nothing but shovel paperwork.)
Long ago, we had an industrial economy that actually made things that people around the world wanted. Now what will we call the new economy, I wonder?
I know! How about: The Magic Economy (All Smoke and Mirrors).
Look up the PTT on wikipedia. (The Plunge Protection Team). The government's been at it, printing fake money and buying stock and securities to make it look like the market is going up.
What do you think is going to happen when all that printed money starts circulating in the coming "Recovery?"
MASSIVE INFLATION.
We did this during the Revolutionary War folks. We spent so much on War, that nobody wanted our money anymore. That's where the expression "Not worth a Continental" came from. We're making another bubble boys and girls. Whose going to get hurt this time? Oh yeah, just the people not in the ONE PERCENT CLUB.
God I hate people from Wall Street.
TJ
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson
The bailout is victory for free markets! The current atate of affairs - the concentration of an industry in very few hands, is one of the inevitable consequences of "free markets" the only thing government is doing is speeding the process up a bit, with help of campaign contributions.
It's also called "disaster capitalism" - the disaster being exploited in this case being an economic one.
The problem isn't one of government meddling, it is that government didn't outright nationalze the failing banks then and break them up into managable pieces -along with the re-enactment of Glass Seagall.
The bigger they become, the less likely they will be to fail. Makes sense, no? Put yourself in their shoes for a moment: it's a lot of responsibility to be that big.
Responsibility? Who cares the government has your back.
Judging from the accompanying photo, I'm guessing the bankstERs are rendering themselves "too big to jail".
... except whistle-blowers. THOSE you can lock up with impunity.
"Judging from the accompanying photo, I'm guessing the bankstERs are rendering themselves "too big to jail"."
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Thank you for making me laugh Goebbels. :-D
I haven't laughed in a long time.
TJ
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson
So big that when the crash happened investigators could not begin to make sense of their books!
Now they are less numerous and more powerful, you might say more concentrated. More concentrated in getting their needs met lobbying before Congress. (One of the perks we don't have)
These aren't your local banks, these are International Banks scratching backs with our elected officials!
Bring back Savings and Loan Companies and Credit Unions. They are much more responsible with your money. The big guys use your savings to gamble the Big Casino stakes, when they win it trickles down, when they loose we bail them out to the tune of Trillions of dollars.
From the cutline under the photo above: "U.S. President Barack Obama (R) walks alongside Robert Wolf ..."
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When Obama was in the Senate, wasn't his name followed by a (D)?
Everyone needs to withdraw every penny they might have in a so called big bank and join a local credit union. Hell, a home safe or even your mattress will pay just as much interest and way less fees!
DESTROY the agents of fascism.
Unfortunately, a lot of credit Unions have become appendages of big banks. For example, my local federal government workers credit union is, I suspect, just a branch of PNC Bank. So you need to ask some hard questions before opening a credit union account.
Cut up your credit cards.
Keep an account for cashing checks w/ little in it.
Buy gold and keep it in a floorsafe.
Lucra leftover? Take out ads in your paper denouncing US Foreign Policy and give to the poor.
Playing golf with a billionare CEO buddy, then 19th hole martinis washing down the finely prepared pieces of cow meat in the clubhouse.
We know whose class-interests Obama fights for.
Goebels ses remarked on this, but I will elaborate a bit for those who may have missed the real news behind this news.
If you read the picture caption, you will find:
"...another UBS banker, Bradley Birkenfeld, had just been handed a forty-month prison sentence after pleading guilty to assisting a client evade taxes."
Actually, Birkenfield was a whistleblower regarding the UBS's Swiss bank tax evasion services, but in a show of judicial corruption and cutzpah unseen since the murder conviction of the Cuban Five, he ended up being the one to get prosecuted and convicted of the very thing he blew the whistle on!
Needless to say, it shows how the capitalists own our Judiciary too! But that is nothing that the ghosts of Joe Hill, the Haymarket Eight Sacco, Vanzetti or the Rosenbergs couldn't tell you.
pjd, be fair. Birkenfield got 40 months for his part and provided information resulting in a "wide investigation". More heads may yet roll. I'm not saying they will or won't. I'm saying wait and see before judging.
But it's all just a circus. A few public executions to quell the restless masses and make our elected officials look like they're doing something. The ones who really need to be dragged out in chains will never get touched.
And yes, the government protects the high and mighty. Geithner talks out of both sides of his mouth when he says the system is protecting competition and the smaller banks even as they fail at accelerated rates and the too big to fail crowd is getting huge interest discounts and trillions in federal support (provided by the suckers who pay taxes).
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When the people fear their government there is tyranny,
when the government fears the people there is liberty.
~ Thomas Jefferson
BeForKids: be realistic. As you say, "heads may yet roll" before the repercussions are finally felt from Birkenfeld's whistle-blowing activity. However, is it not the case that a prosecutor seeking to "cut a deal" with a defendant to get him to testify against his co-conspirators will make the deal before the canary's sentencing that result in shorter sentences for the song-bird? In this case, Birkenfeld was given a sentence that exceeded in severity even what the prosecution had requested; so that really doesn't look like a "deal." Haven't we heard something like this before, in the investigations and prosecutions of Illinois figures like Rezko and Blagojevich, in which it was thought that the heads of "certain" other Illinois politicos might roll; only to have Rezko "put away" and Blagojevich retired to the book tour circuit without any further consequence to those "certain others?" If Robert Wolf had any fears of such repercussions for himself, he certainly Teflon-ized himself nicely by having a highly publicized round of golf with the President; some of the 4000 or so UBS investers whose Swiss banking identities were revealed to the Justice Department will be scrambling to find their own golf matches to play.
Bingo.
O'Bomber is gonna let this photo be followed by one of Wolf being frog-marched from a federal courtroom?
When Cheney's future residence freezes over.
Jerry D Rose, point well taken. And I didn't know that the judge had gone beyond the prosecutor's request. Must have been a Republican appointee.
When the people fear their government there is tyranny,
when the government fears the people there is liberty.
~ Thomas Jefferson
BeForKids: here's the link on prosecution asking for a reduced sentence for Birkenfeld; I couldn't remember the details but they asked for 30 months, the Judge gave him 40. http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE57H48E20090818
Maybe the judge was a Republican; but maybe a Democrat trying to CYA for some fellow Dems.
BeForKids August 28th, 2009 2:40 pm
pjd, be fair. Birkenfield got 40 months for his part and provided information resulting in a "wide investigation". More heads may yet roll. I'm not saying they will or won't. I'm saying wait and see before judging.
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Yeah, and let that be a lesson to anyone that thinks he can bring down the establishment alone. I seriously doubt there will be another whistle blower any time soon.
But, for things to "be fair" between us and the Criminal Corporatists, it is THEY who must begin to make concessions, not US.
Point is: Dude gets 40 years even though he tried to help the investigation = bad.
Some other dude has the balls to be seen publicly recreating with the president = he ain't goin' down = even more bad.
Or do you honestly think that if there was a chance this UBS CEO was going to get it in the rear Obama's handlers would have allowed this "round of golf"?
C'mon...
-matti.
Jim Shea
Corporations have the rights of people, right?
People can be sentenced to death, right?
Why don't we have a death penalty for corporations?
Jim Shea: We have had and still have a "death penalty" for corporations: it's called business failure or going broke; just that it's been rescinded for those too big to fail and too-connected with public officials by way of the golf games they play. Kind of like the death penalty for people, which we reserve mostly for "minority" people.
Yes, but there are, or should be other reasons for disbanding even a wildly successful corporation. What ever happened to antitrust laws???
Also, the original intent of incorporation and limited liability was because the corporation was serving an overall public good. If they fail to serve the public good, they should be disbanded.
Consider getting the documentary: "The Corporation".
pjd412: Good questions, those: I had in mind disbanding only by the operation of "market forces" if these are not impeded (bailouts). But you're right, there are good reasons for the public to intervene for those corporations that violate anti-trust laws or fail to operate in the public good. Or are these "quaint" notions, as the Geneva Conventions have been alleged to be?
There's a word for the marriage of government and corporations. It's called fascism.
It's like they just can't resist giving us the finger at every f@#king opportunity.
This plus the bonuses - the double-bird! Right in our faces.
Again.
Daring us to do something about it.
Again.
Frankly, they ow... oh f@#k it already...
But, are all of "us" paying attention enough to see that finger?
Keep in mind that it is only the minority in the U.S. who even sees the Cable News or Talk Shows that spew B.S. propaganda and distractions about everything.
It is a minority of THIS minority that actually attempts too see through those distractions and get to the truth.
And it may be a minority of THAT minority that succeeds in doing so.
-matti.
It's time to give these banks the Ma Bell treatment . while we still can!
High time for these corporate pirates to walk the plank . from their penthouse offices.
Isn't everybody just as elated as I am to know that we have anti-trust laws in the US? I mean, if it weren't for those laws, Microsoft may still be giving away free software to consumers and that would be outrageous! Sadly, this kind of monopoy clearly does not fall under the jurisdiction of such laws though
I just hope everybody realizes that we're now going to have to buy and print new Monopoly games.
like rockefeller said [ competition in banking is a sin ]. this has been and is the biggest consolidation of wealth in the history of man kind. more control through chaos. these are typical fascist moves. along with our military protecting the assets, and profits of the globalized corps. the tax payers are subsidizing the global corps. we are their private mercenaries.
Everyone needs to keep this truth in mind:
Obama and his playacting serve THE EXACT SAME PURPOSE as Bush and his did -just for the distraction of the "right", not the "left".
We all need to find the "Republicans" or "Independents" who are incensed by this crap, let them know we -of the ACTUAL Left- are as well, drop all the "social issues" crap like gay marriage for a bit, and use this common anger at the Corporatists/Imperialists to FORGE A COMMON BOND between us and them.
It'll be tough, but it might be our best chance for stopping this crap.
But avoid Astroturf, there be dragons there.
THEN we can work on the Obamites and other,more "apathetic"/less deluded and worried about other stuff members of the fake "left".
-matti.
Does anyone find it remarkable that 5 banks, out of a total of 8100 banks or so, has 62% of the total banking assets (as of June 30, 2009). Incredibly, I believe this percentage is up from the end of 2008. No wonder they are "to big to fail" and, if anything, are getting larger.
Jim Shea
When I talk about a "death penalty" for corporations, I am not talking about natural death by business failure, I'm talking about EXECUTION, complete and total destruction of the corporation, with NO PROFIT for the shareholders or officers, and no golden parachutes, with all proceeds going to the people in one form or another.
"None of us are saying dismember these institutions. But you do want to create a system that allows for others to grow, where no one has an oligopolistic power at the expense of others who might be able to provide financial services to consumers," said Richard Fisher, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas.
What kind of BS is that? Yes, DISMEMBER them, ala Ma Bell.
"Their customers have multiple areas of their financial life involved with Wells Fargo. If you have a checking account and an ATM and a credit card and a home-equity line and automatic bill payments . . . to change that is a major undertaking."
Not really. 3 or 4 hours, tops. Get your money out of those behemoths and into a credit union or small local bank.
Yes, break up the banks. Forget Ma Bell, though; the lesson is the Savings and Loan crisis. The depositors would be protected, though investors would lose. (Well, you take that chance, as an investor.)
It's not just a good idea. It's not just a proven remedy. It's * the law * : the Prompt Corrective Action Law. Learn about it.
Then ask your legislators why two presidents (so far) have been allowed to ignore it.
Bill Moyers interviews William K. Black:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html
Obama, You have handled this thing just about as poorly as was possible.