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Could The US Election Be Stolen?
TOLEDO, Ohio - With John McCain and Barack Obama already swapping accusations of widespread voter fraud, experts warn that a bitter and protracted fight could ensue if the race to the White House is decided by a narrow margin.
US voters lining up to register in January 2008. With John McCain and Barack Obama already swapping accusations of widespread voter fraud, experts warn that a bitter and protracted fight could ensue if the race to the White House is decided by a narrow margin. (AFP/File/Ryan Hanson)
The legal battle over election rules has already made it all the way to the Supreme Court
as Republicans fight to block potentially false registrations from
being validated and Democrats struggle to prevent voter
disenfranchisement.
Compounding the problem is the decentralized US electoral system, which hands often partisan local officials the power to make rules and maintain the voter registration rolls.
"I'm hoping it's not close," said Richard L. Hasen, a professor who specializes in election law at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles.
"I am certain there will be problems on election day."
An estimated nine million new voters have registered for the hotly contested November 4 election, and the Obama campaign says Democratic registrations are outpacing Republican ones by four to one.
The McCain campaign contends that an untold number of those registration forms are false and warns that illegally cast ballots could alter the results of the election and undermine the public's faith in democracy.
Republicans have launched a slew of lawsuits aimed at preventing false ballots from being cast, the most high-profile an attempt to challenge as many as 200,000 of more than 600,000 new registrations submitted in the battleground state of Ohio that was blocked by a Supreme Court ruling Friday.
They point to investigations into whether liberal-leaning community organization ACORN deliberately submitted false voter registrations as proof of "rampant" and widespread fraud which McCain said could be "destroying the fabric of democracy."
But the Obama campaign said this was just a "smokescreen" to divert attention from Republican "plotting" to suppress legitimate votes and to "sow confusion and harass voters and complicate the process for millions of Americans."
Voters whose registrations have been challenged or those who find their names have been removed from the rolls are often required to cast provisional ballots, which are not immediately counted in some jurisdictions and are often rejected due to technicalities.
Meanwhile, a 2007 study by the New York University School of Law concluded that "it is more likely that an individual will be struck by lightning than that he will impersonate another voter at the polls."
"For these problems to be really decisive they have to be within the margin of litigation, which is typically a few thousand votes," Hasen said in a recent interview.
The 2000 election took weeks to resolve as Democrat Al Gore fought Republican George W. Bush all the way to the Supreme Court after Bush won the state of Florida, and thus the election, with a margin of a few hundred votes.
Four years later, Democrat John Kerry conceded defeat despite allegations of widespread voter suppression in Ohio, which handed Bush his second term with a margin of nearly 119,000 votes.
In the meantime, electoral litigation has become part of the standard play book.
The number of lawsuits filed over elections has more than doubled from an average of 94 in the four years prior to the 2000 election to an average of 230 in the six years following, Hasen found in a study published in the Stanford Law Review.
Misinformation has also been used to discourage voters from showing up on election day.
Students in Virginia, Colorado and South Carolina were wrongfully told by voting officials that they could lose their scholarships and their parents would no longer be able to claim them on their income taxes if they registered to vote in their college towns.
The Michigan Department of Civil Rights launched an advertising campaign this week to combat misleading rumors - some started by local officials in mailings to voters - that people would be denied the right to vote if they lost their home to foreclosure, have a criminal record or do not have photo identification.
Such tactics are not new, said Laughlin McDonald, the director of the American Civil Liberties Union's voting rights project.
Despite strict constitutional and legal protections for the right to vote, "the history of the country has been one of flagrant vote denial," McDonald told AFP.
Many of tactics once used to keep blacks from voting in the south - poll taxes, literacy tests, violence and intimidation - have been eliminated.
But some have been adapted, including the practice of purging voting rolls of people likely to vote for the other party by challenging them en masse.
"There's more (attempts at voter suppression) that's been going on in the lead-up to this election than any I can remember," McDonald told AFP.
"The fact remains the people who have the power to make the rules are all too often willing to do so in ways that serve their partisan interests."
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Show AllThe election was stolen, in 2004, here in Ohio, by teh GOP. If you were at the polls, there would simply be no question in your mind.
Now, there does appear to be some problems (especially at the "top") of ACORN's efforts. It is just a few thousand, and, these "fake" people wil not be allowed to vote. With so many disenfranchised in 2004--it is very difficult to be upset about it.
Ohio has banned voter "challengers" from out of state (most were form Texas), voter "caging", and the poll tax of a picture iD. (They confirm it with other devices). Unfortunately , Gov Taft (indicted for defrauding our Workmans Comp out of $3 millin by investing it in "rare coins"--he paid $3000 and "apologized"), bought al new Diebolds, before he left. J. Kenneth Blackwell, who was the head of Bush[s campaign in 2004, intentionally placed fewer machines in opoorer areas and allowed challenging at historicaly Af. Am. colleges. We cannot afford new machines, but, there is now a paper trail.
Th racism that has cropped up in Ohio, anew, (I knew it was there--I am just surprised at the terror implicit in some peoples' attacks on Obama--no one I know personally)is humiliating. It has made me want to reconsider not voting for Obama. But, he just cannot seem to stop making decisons that piss me off! Not even for a week!
Ohio is trending Obama. This will change nothing in my life, nor most of the "working class on a good day" people I live near. I am rather torn sa to what to do. "My" candidates are so far off from winning as to make mine, perhaps , a vote among "tens"!
"The people who cast the votes don't decide an election, the people who count the votes do.” Joseph Stalin
The Rovemeister is resting assured that John McClone and Sarah Barracuda will win. He knows that even if all of his crusaders' manipulation fails to keep targeted voters from voting, there is always PLAN D.
D stands for Diebold, the fascist manufacturer and maintainer of voting machines.
OF COURSE the Rethuglicans will try to steal another election next month! It's in their blood. They believe they're entitled to rule over us slaves. They're dying to cut even more taxes for the rich, wages, Medicare, health care, Social Security, retirement, you name it.
The crypt keeper McCain made a cryptic remark about Colin Powell endorsing Obama. The weasel said he wasn't surprised, the implication being that since Obama and Powell share the same racial stock, that's the only reason Powell is backing Obama.
I'm getting off topic here, but did you see Cindy McCain, the old Barbie doll complete with facelift, campaigning for her husband? It's like "See me, I'm white, blonde, blue-eyed, and young (from my facelift). I'll be your perfect Barbie doll first lady!" She looks as young as her daughter.......LOL
I think Michelle Obama will be a great first lady. She's statuesque and classy.
Enthusiasm is now the key to getting out our vote. We need to make sure that our enthusiasm for Obama and change is infectious. An enthusiasm that lasts all the way to his inauguration
Remy Germain October 20th, 2008 2:44 pm wrote:
We need to make sure that our enthusiasm for Obama and change is infectious.
Enthusiasm for Obama is NOT enthusiasm for change. It is enthusiasm for more of the same.
Remy Germain October 20th, 2008 2:44 pm wrore:
An enthusiasm that lasts all the way to his inauguration
For me the inauguration of Obama will be a very sad day. It will be a day in which I cannot watch TV or read a newspaper out of disgust for their constant repetition of the false claim that we are about to enter a new age of change. Well of course, some change will occur. The color of the skin of the president will change for the first time in history. But that will not make me happy. Such a superficial change has absolutely nothing to do with America's real problems, which are deep and profound. I'm afraid America upcoming superficial age of change is nothing more than a continuation of it's current age of dillusion. The madness will continue.
Man, have I had it with the repetitious "Obama and McCain are no different" comments.
Look, we all know that we're living in a corporate oligarchy, where our tax monies are confiscated and turned over to the MIC, and that true progressive change will only come from viable third parties. We get that.
But you must understand that Obama and McCain are not the same! Obama is waaaay more progressive than McCain. McCain has turned into a far-right hardliner, and his VP choice is a theocratic nutjob. Surely you wouldn't prefer those two over Obama! Give the man some credit for inspiring millions of people and waking them up to the fact that we need fundamental change, whether or not he can actually provide all the change that you desire.
If the inauguration of Obama will be a very sad day for you, the inauguration of McCain will be very, very much sadder!
And what YOU must understand is that your position represents the substantial majority.
Did you not read the article? Of the nine million new registrations this year the Dems have grown by FOUR TIMES the amount the GOP has.
Obama is going to win by a large margin.
There is almost NO possibility of a "close" election, relative to '04 and '08.
I've seen electoral college projections with five categories : Strongly Obama, Leaning Obama, Tossup, Leaning McCain, and Strongly McCain. In these, McCain could somehow do the near-impossible and create such a turnaround in these last TWO WEEKS that he wins 100% of 4 out of the 5 categories, from Strongly McCain to Leaning Obama, and Obama STILL WINS.
I have seen popular vote polls where even with the supposed "loss" to Obama of an historically strong -3%- Nader vote, Obama STILL BEATS McCain by 12%! TWELVE PERCENT.
The Dems also seem likely to pick up dozens of seats in the House and up to 8 or 9 seats in the Senate.
EVERYTHING is pointing to "big win" for Obama and the Dems, yet still we see all this B.S. fear of McCain.
Here's to November FIFTH!
Dafoe
Of course ther will be voter fraud by the repugnants in those states where they control the state administration. The Federal Government should devlare they will look after voting in federal elections, but that will never happen and so we have the slippery slope of doing nothing to the sacred god blessed american way of doing politics. One gets disgusted with the layers of sleaze and corruption but everything is for sale in this country, everything with no exceptions.
Of course they (the Republicans) will try to steal the election again.
It has worked twice for them, why not a third time? Hopefully the margin
will be enough to overcome the crooked machines and the crooked people,
but don't count on it.
"Could The US Election Be Stolen?"
DUH!
It already is being stolen. Just one example:
More W.Va. voters say machines are switching votes
In six cases, Democratic votes flipped to GOP
http://wvgazette.com/News/200810180251
To me, it's long been a given that the thing was/is going to be stolen. Why wouldn't it be? 2000 and 2004 were both stolen. Nothing has changed with the voting system since. These corrupt easily-hackable machines are all over the nation now. Those in Denial like to pretend it's going to be fair and legitimate and live with their dreamy wishful-thinking and then they are somehow surprised by the final results. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
People don't understand the ease with which code can be altered to cause electronic machines to flip votes. I agree with you completely, but unfortunately the masses are too dumb about these things. If everyone was taught a little programming, they'd realize just how easy it is to do something like this.
Oh those dumb masses.
Joe
I can see it now. Obama wins by a narrow margin. mccain and the repug machine take it to the supreme court. Guess who takes over in January?
"Guess who takes over in January?"
Bush and Cheney. I don't think they have any plans of going anywhere in January and there's no one to make them leave. (Directive 51?...did they just cook that up for the hell of it or do they intend to use it?) The Bush-accomplice Dems would certainly warmly welcome them staying on---I can see Pelosi now all smiles and arm-in-arm with Bush---so they can help them complete their dictatorial agenda, as they have been doing since 2000.
This is the thing I'm really thinking. Even if there is an election, and someone wins it, they've still got over 2 months to activate Directive 51.
Although I have read that every president has created a similar directive with regard to the ability of the President to assume dictatorial powers in the case of catastrophic circumstance.
Still doesn't make me any less frightened, though.
What is directive 51? I haven't heard of it before.
Directive 51 is actually the National Security Presidential Directive #51, signed by Bush in May 2007. It is designed to clearly stated when Bush can declare martial law. It lays out what a catastrophic emergency would be necessary for such an action as determined by the President. It would have to be disruptive to the lives of citizens, and could include man-made or natural disasters, environmental disasters, war, or economic disasters. In short, any event that the president declares a catastrophic emergency would allow him to declare martial law, take over all military control of the National Guards, and turn the recently re-assigned active duty Army units just returned from Iraq on the American citizens, as well as any private contractor security forces as necessary to restore and maintain order.
Consider that this was in place before the start of the primary season, and that it was in place at the beginning of bursting housing bubble in anticipation of an economic crisis (just see what is happening). If the anger of the American people had erupted over the bailout, Bush could have under this directive declared martial law. If things get worse, or there is civil unrest after the election (as I am sure the Republicans are hoping to promote with their current voter fraud charges), I am certain you will see this Directive put into force. Consider the threats against ACORN personnel and the break-ins and vandalism of some of their offices, and you begin to see the rise of the fascist state led by Bush and McCain. We live in scary times.
Then maybe it's a good thing our military forces are so fucked after being in the ME forever.
Don't make me laugh and cry at the same time, please.
For the moment it appears that they'll be leaving, anyway. They all look haggard and worn out, and bankrupt.
Cause to be worried anyway as what came in illegitimately, is as likely to leave in a similar fashion.
"Bush won the state of Florida"--NOT TRUE.
A number of newsworthy points can now be made regarding this issue:
1. The structural inefficiencies, oligopolistic ownership and ideological bias of the media meant the story went uncovered in the USA when it mattered - during the dodgy Florida recount in late 2000.
2. Those who say Bush won because Nader ran in 2000 are wrong. Bush won because of massive electoral fraud.
3. As a result of the outrage (muted, as it was) caused by the US Civil Rights Commission it looks like they [the Bush Junta] might not be able to pull it off again for this coming November; see ‘Florida Scraps Felon Vote List: http://www.sptimes.com/2004/07/11/State/Florida_scraps_felon_.shtml.
You can read all the details of the current news story - Appearing In Front Of The US Civil Rights Commission Today - and the background and details of how the fraud was committed, at the following weblinks:
Palast to testify at US Civil Rights Commission Thursday July 15th:
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=347&row=0
Florida's flawed "voter-cleansing" program - Salon.com's politics story of the year:
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=55&row=2
A Blacklist Burning For Bush (The London Observer, Sunday, December 10, 2000)
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=4&row=2
FLORIDA'S 'DISAPPEARED VOTERS': DISFRANCHISED BY THE GOP, (The Nation):
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=27&row=2
"THEFT OF THE PRESIDENCY"; BBC-TV Newsnight; Thursday Feb 15, 2001; This is the transcript of Gregory Palast's appearance on BBC News' Newsnight on February 16, 2001:
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=29&row=2
I will not forgive the American people if they allow the election to be stolen for a third time. They fooled you once, and they fooled you a second time, and if they fool you again and you do nothing--you ain't got no guts!
The snag is that most of the "American people" don't acknowledge that any elections have been stolen to begin with. Most people think they have all been legit. The "American people" will say "I'm whatever, get over it." That's what I was told to my face when I protested the 2000 stolen election.
And what do you think the "American people" will do to protest? NOTHING. They will sit on their ass. They are too obese to protest. Most people would have trouble walking one city block.
What is anyone here doing besides bitchin' and name-calling? We should all be joining up with that lawyer mentioned above that's going after the repugs that are doing the voter suppression.
When Powell snubbed the repugs to endorse Obama, it vindicated him a little in my eyes for his part in starting the Iraq takeover. Hopefully, he'll continue to be the person he was before becoming bush's pimp, and continue to work to pay his debt.
The American people are so uninterested in what a thirld world apologizer-for-Islamis-terrorists thinks that it would truly amaze you...
Not only they are uninterested, I bet they don't even have the slightest notion where their own interest lies. That's not only amazing but pathetic.
Who on earth CARES?
The election process in the US has always been stolen. For starters, it has always been a farce designed to lure citizens into believing they have a choice. They never did.
And don't you love Democrats? Until Saturday they were calling Collin Powell a war criminal, which is what he is, but now that he has endorsed another war criminal in the making, he deserves their sympathy for, get this, his "redemption". Hilarious.
Yeah, the Dem kool-aid drinkers have been stooping to all levels to make excuses and apologies and justifications for Powell's endorsement of Walk on Water Obama, the pathetic people that they are.
I posted this same opinion on another site, and , boy oh boy, am I catchimg hell!
How in hell can you "be about change", if you going to "re-invite" the Bush crowd???
The real question is: 'Will Obama get enough of a landslide to overcome the vote-fixing?'
Overcome vote-fixing in a presidential "election?"
With Diebold it doesn't matter how the people vote or how many people vote. The results (how the people supposedly voted and the number of people who supposedly voted) will be what they tell us. We will never know the true numbers.
Diebold can turn day into night.
Yes.
But the polls and projection maps most widely desseminated in the Media show clear leads for Obama and very little real chance for McCain. They are trying to make it seem like it is closer than it is, but this is a fairly transparent attempt at keeping people watching with the excuse of "fairness".
The official narrative is of a repudiation of the Bush years and a resurgence of the Dems.
People would be quite suprised to see this narrative not play out.
Any rigging toward McCain in this election would far outstrip the previous Bush riggings in number of States and number of votes to steal.
There is no benefit to such an action for the Corporatist and the Oligarchs as Obama is very much on their team and the Dems will allow a "calming" of the riled up masses other than the fringes that will become radicalized further right.
The mistake is in believing that the '04 and '00 Elections were stolen for, and by the Republicans. they were merely the recipients of the prize that the rigging awards. This year it is the Democrats who will reciev this prize -in exchange for services rendered.
Thank you both. It always amazes me when people who know that the machines are rigged believe that we can "overcome" the rigging somehow, by a bunch of people voting.
You are absolutely right. They can announce a vote total and a vote result which are no where near reality and we have NO WAY of knowing.
And, yes, this year it's Obama's turn to be selected President. The ruling class has lined up for him.
The "suspense" of the close polls is simply to keep us distracted and entertained.
Yes and no. The way I understood it, the 2006 election produced a democratic victory because the machines were programmed to fix the predicted spread, but polls changed so dramatically at the end due to Republican corruption scandals that it overcame the fix in some places. No doubt that little problem has been fixed by now.
Let's hope Obama's margin of victory is sufficient to negate the criminal election fraud attempts. If the rethugs manage to steal it this time, there should be more than mere "protests". There should be massive civil unrest, rioting in the streets. Bring 'em on! Heckuvajob!
Sadly, you may be more right than you realize, no matter who wins. the Republicans have been stoking the fires of violence for weeks now, with the likes of Palin, Bachmann,and Pfotenhauer out there spreading their filth about Obama and Democrats as anti-American and terrorist. On the other side the level of anger is rising as well as the fear not of terrorism, but of a stolen election rises. Obama has tried to quell some of the fear by talking honestly about issues and not allowing ourselves to be taken in by small politics, but McCain/Palin have been doing just the opposite. Please remember that if widespread social disruptions occur after 11/4/08, from either side of the aisle, it will be all Bush needs to declare martial law, and then it will not matter who wins, nothing will change at all, except we will have a full-blown dictatorship. I am not advocating sitting back and taking it, but rather if you must take to the streets, remember the peaceful non-violence of Martin Luther King and Ghandi, not the street gangs of South Central LA or Watts. Be ready to defend yourself by all means, but do not provoke and when you need to, defend yourself with great vigor and courage, because it will be all we have left - our willingness to defend our nation from its enemies from within - Bush, Cheney, and the rest of that pack of thugs!
It is a shame that most "progressives" far too moral to have served in the military. If they had, they would realize that martial law, which is unconstitional, would require the military, which means that the Generals would have to give the orders, and the soldiers would have to obey them. Having personally (As a National Guardsman) seen the order to confiscate firearms in New Orleans during Katrina widely refused. (Direct quote: "That is an illegal order, I dare you to court-martial me, sir."), trust me that the generals are not going to give the orders, and if given, the troops are not going to obey.
Wow. I am really glad to hear that. And, thank you.
It is true that Black water was down there doing whatever they wanted , right? Were they firing on "looters" (stealing bread and pop to LIVE)
Most of the firing on looters was local police. Blackwater was there, but primarily as security guards. We (the Guard) were involved in busting into houses looking for dead people, and in "looter suppression" which, for us at least, seemed to involve marching around at 3AM up and down streets on the theory that our presence would deter looters.
A fair number of locals stayed, and we occasionally found bodies who had been shot; I am assuming that they tried to loot the wrong house and paid the price for it.
The reason the NRA found out about the gun confiscation is that half the National Guard (and a good part of the regular Army too) are NRA members and called them. As a result of that, the NRA raised hell and congress passed a law forbidding gun confiscations during emergencies.
Or the Likud will attack Iran, Bush will join in and cancel the elections.
They are not going to cancel the elections. They need to keep up the facade of democracy for the 50% of Americans who still think that their vote matters.
Bush has land in Paraguay where he can cut trees to his heart's content. He doesn't want to be the puppet-in-chief anymore.
I wonder why Monkeyboy wants to leave the U.S. to go live in Paraguay? Isn't the U.S. the greatest country on earth?? Why would he make such a move?
Speaking of the "greatest country on earth," being anti-rigged election is NOT "anti-American," neither is anti-fascism and unnecessary wars "anti-American." Did you hear that, Rethuglicans?
I see the Rethuglicans are busy stealing the election again. Voters have already complained that when they choose Obama, their vote switches to McCain on the touch-screen voting machines. Why haven't the Democrats done anything about this chronic problem in eight years? Rethuglicans own and operate the voting machines........what a fkng banana republic this is.
I am concerned about that "wrongfully told" stuff (in this case, college students told they'd lose their loans,etc). I do not think the Congressional Bill was passed making "putting out deliberate misinformation" illegal, was it? Of course, proving it's deliberate would be difficult. Any ideas on how to stop voter suppression by bad "info"?
In 2004, in this poor-ass part of the Rust Belt--they put out flyers that said that the VOTE HAD BEEN RE-SCHEDULED!! I shit you not! I coudlnt make this stuff up.
The Obama campaign and other Democratic groups are staffing call centers for people who have trouble voting, and are sending lawyers to nearly every precinct to try to handle vote challenging. I'm a Democratic precinct chairman and to be honest, I'm tempted to risk arrest by kicking the shit out of any Rep lawyers that try to deny the students on my campus their constitutional rights.
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http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/press.aspx?id=3771
July 10, 2008
Attorney General Corbett announces charges in legislative bonus investigation - 12 suspects charged in 1st phase of the investigation
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In Pensylvania, Democrats, during the 2004 election ,pulled illegal dirty tricks to keep Ralph Nader from getting votes.
Finally justice prevails and their tactics are EXPOSED.
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How many people are planning on showing up at the polls in a Mickey Mouse suit?
Besides, everyone knows that Mickey Mouse is a GOP stalwart, because he is a BIG RAT, and is fucking Goofy.
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
I dont know--I was going to kindve save what I might wear for Halloween (cant go anywhere this year--no money--kids that come here wil probably just get razor blades) and wear it, so that memebers of the duopoly fan club wouldnt recognize me and attempt to kick my ass.
Rewritten history: "Democrat Al Gore fought Republican George W. Bush all the way to the Supreme Court after Bush won the state of Florida"
NOT SO. The recount process was initiated automatically by Florida law since it was so close. Who started the "fighting"? GW Bush sued Florida to STOP the recount, arguing it hurt him to have his victory delayed. Al Gore was NOT the first to go to court. Gore wanted to play by the rules, not remake them. If Florida law had been allowed to be followed, the recount would have continued and Gore would have been found the winner (as was verified about 11 months later by an independent count). Instead, a 5-4 Supreme Court vote with two majority votes cast by people appointed by the plaintiff's father, overturned FL law, without providing a principle or a precedent in doing so.
Even "progressives" buy the media's rewriting of history. Sigh.