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TechnoratiDear Hillary,Reasons abound why you should do all you can to defeat John McCain -- but for you, it should be personal. Maybe you've forgotten in the heat of the Democratic contest. But remember McCain's cruel joke about your daughter, when Chelsea was 18 and vulnerable. This alone should give you every reason to stand against McCain -- and nothing to boost his chances.
McCain made the joke at a 1998 Republican Senate fundraiser. "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?" he asked. "Because her father is Janet Reno." Chelsea was a lovely young woman then, and is even lovelier now. But when you're 18, an attack like that can be deeply wounding. It's outrageous for McCain to slime an innocent young woman who'd done nothing to offend him -- just to throw red meat to a Republican crowd.
It would be bad enough had McCain's joke targeted only Janet Reno and you, feeding the misogynist myth that any assertive woman must be gay. But as adults, both you and Reno could recognize the nasty joke as reflecting solely on the man who made it. Sliming teenage Chelsea like that, however, crossed a fundamental line -- a line that I'm sure matters for you and Bill as parents.
Sure, McCain apologized after a flurry of media coverage, but talk of that sort is cheap. It's like his using the excuse that he'd had a long day, after telling his own wife at a 1992 campaign event: "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt." That was his public response to her teasing him about his thinning hair. But the Chelsea "joke" was from a prepared text, not accidental. It's a window into McCain's cruel side. Your lovely daughter was the target of his abuse.
You should want to defeat McCain for other reasons too. He pushed strongly for the 1998 bill supporting Iraqi "regime change," said the country's people would greet us as liberators and has no problem with our staying as occupiers for a hundred years. He thinks it's fine to do little or nothing about people whose homes are being foreclosed on, fine for Bush to have vetoed a bill banning waterboarding, and fine to joke about bombing Iran. The Children's Defense Fund rated him the worst senator in Congress for children last year, and he got a zero rating from the League of Conservation Voters. He voted against a Martin Luther King holiday and gave the commencement address at Jerry Falwell's Liberty University after Falwell claimed the 9/11 attacks happened because God was angered by the gays, lesbians, feminists, abortionists, the ACLU, and People for the American Way. Any of these should be reasons enough for voters to reject him. But you should also have an intensely personal reason: McCain can be decent and charming, but he also has a mean streak -- one he exercised at the expense of your beloved only child.
Please remember McCain's ugly actions and words between now and November. Don't let their import dissipate in the passion of the Democratic contest. It must be difficult to have envisioned your making history as America's first woman president, with the chance to lead the country toward your most passionate heart-felt goals -- and then to see the nomination steadily slip away. I'm sure you're frustrated and angry that after withstanding all the right-wing assaults, you may miss the electoral prize. But think of your daughter and dedicate yourself from this point forward to defeating McCain. It's your right to keep running; but stop attacking Obama in your speeches, your ads, and your surrogates' statements (including those of Bill). A few weeks ago, you whipped up a crowd to boo Obama in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. You stood by and said nothing while Machinist Union head Tom Buffenbarger used recycled lies to dismiss his supporters as "latte-drinking, Prius-driving, Birkenstock-wearing, trust fund babies." You said you and McCain had enough experience, while Obama had nothing but "a speech he made in 2002." You and your surrogates are taking an accurate point Obama raised about anger in economically devastated communities, and caricaturing it with classic Republican talking points tarring him as an out-of-touch "elitist."
You may feel these attacks are just politics ("the fun part," in your words), and that Obama's gone after you just as harshly. But remember, your words have an impact. At my Washington State caucus, Obama supporters listened respectfully while your spokesperson made her pitch. Then your supporters heckled and booed the Obama person, and several even turned their backs. You've seen the recent Gallup poll, taken mostly before Obama's Philadelphia race speech, where 28% of your supporters say they'd vote for McCain in November if Obama is the nominee (as would 19% of Obama's, were the situation reversed). As the pollsters pointed out, people often give similar responses during intensely fought primaries, and then shift back in November. But I've gotten far too many emails from your supporters that dismiss Obama's strengths using the very words and themes your campaign has stressed, like saying they mistrust a candidate "who's done nothing in his life." These responses may be just a way to vent for those who see their own dreams of America's first female president at least temporarily snatched away. I trust most will come around by November, whoever is the Democratic nominee. But not all will. And the more you conduct a scorched-earth campaign, the more the likely defections. If past campaigns are any guide, you won't be able to turn on a dime and erase the rancor at the last minute.
So keep on through the final primary if you think it makes sense. But remember what John McCain did to your daughter. And make clear in every public statement that you'd give Obama your full and enthusiastic support if he ends up the nominee. Keep your ads focused on your own strengths, and tell your surrogates to do the same. You can certainly ask this as well of Obama, who's said repeatedly that he'd back you energetically if he lost. Then let the delegates make their choice. If you aren't the winner, take a well-deserved vacation, then come back and campaign as hard (well nearly as hard) for an overall Democratic victory as you did for the presidential nomination. After all, the broader the Democratic victory, the more you can accomplish in the Senate.
That would be the best response to McCain's cruel and capricious assault on Chelsea. It would also be the best possible way to move toward a future you'd be proud to have your daughter inherit.
Paul Rogat Loeb is the author of The Impossible Will Take a Little While: A Citizen's Guide to Hope in a Time of Fear, named the #3 political book of 2004 by the History Channel and the American Book Association. His previous books include Soul of a Citizen: Living With Conviction in a Cynical Time. See www.paulloeb.org. To receive his articles directly email sympa@lists.onenw.org with the subject line: subscribe paulloeb-articles
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Show AllTalk about jokes, I like the one FRANK told here.
He says, "Do the math Hillary you lost,___so get lost." ____Then he writes, ___"Vote Nader".
Is Nader going to win Frank, or are you secretly supporting McCain?
There are somethings in life you dignify and somethings you let slide publically. Not all nasty uncalled for comments from a nasty man deserve a response or should be taken seriously. I say, make McCain irrelevant. McCains' comments about Chelsea Clinton and about women in general were probably allowed to slide publically due to the "discretion is the better part of valor" thinking. Not responding to that nasty comment allows McCains to stand alone in his stink.
Don't you people get it!
Hillary and Obama are going to cancel each other out with all of their infighting. Neither one has a voting record that can be help up to any scrutiny. Why would I vote for either one?
I have learned to only vote for the people who have a history of getting the "people's business" done. Their history speaks for its self.
How many times do you need to be fooled by those that tell you what they are GOING to do something and then never keep the faith? Shame on you.
With that said, I have a feeling that that mean demented old white man will be "put" into power and then America will be no more.
Signed: On the Titanic looking for the rainbow. :)
You heard what McCain called his wife, right? According to some book, the missus commented on his hair thinning and he called her a trollop and a c--t (in front of others). Sounds a bit abusive, eh? Trading one psychopath for another, oh joy.
When I lived on Long Island, New York, Democratic lawn signs (admittedly a rare sight) were being ripped up but the Republican lawn signs were untouched. Why is it that honesty and integrity is not a conservative value? I too have switched parties (from Green) but not to subvert a political process, but to vote for a candidate I want to vote for to be President (Obama).
Even McCain has more integrity than Hillary, but he is very weird and cruel. I think he is also somewhat deranged. I don't know if it's age or past trauma but there's something wrong with him (bomb bomb bomb Iran and that nasty cruel remark about Chelsea. I really dislike him for that; picking on a girl, what a misogynist).
kathyodat
mairs -- most people don't know the term 'two-faced' anymore, but it is a good one and imo should be brought back into the lexicon. . . 'two faced' people really do exist and they are a very dangerous breed, both to others and to themselves. For that reason alone (let alone the nauseating thought of Bill as First Something or Other), I could never vote for Hillary. The worst part is that they themselves are not aware of their personality reversals, I know, I married into a whole family of them. They can spout the most vitriolic stuff, you call them on it, they will deny it no matter what.
This is not 'Hillary bashing', this is informed observation about behaviors many people for some reason or other seem to be blind to. And the ugly John McCain joke -- there is something very creepy-old-man about his incessant repetition of a scripted joke which uses a teenage girl as the linchpin of an attack on her mother. My fear is that he will be (s)elected and TPTB will then have control through his hand-picked running mate (clearly a task he is not up to himself). Just like HW ran things behind Reagan's back, and then ran things himself, and then collaborated with the Clinton's behind the public's back, and then his son got to mess things up even more, and now we might end up with either Condoleeza as McCain's VP or Hillary . . . somehow this doesn't sound like the democratic process in action to me ! The whole lot of them are two-faced.
honortheBOR__Why should we get upset about foul language that anyone has used whether true or not? Many of the posts on CD are disgusting because evidently people cannot express themselves properly and think gutter language is effective.
We have seen examples of many of our present and past leaders all using improper expressions so why single out Hillary for criticism? Who knows what Obama has said at times over the last decade, and who cares if his actions and ideas are OK?
I have heard enough of this stupid Hillary bashing from people that have nothing better to do with their time but reprint old remarks that only show their own ignorance in using them. I am not too sure it matters as Pres Carter no doubt was careful with his speech but was not regarded highly as President.
Kernel sayeth:
"I am suspicious that many of those slime attacks are coming from right wing stooges that know Hillary can beat their man and clean up their rotten mess."
In fact, the right has been trying to get Clinton the candidacy for months, now. Her initially-reported margin of "victory" in Texas turned out to be much smaller than the number of party-hoppers in that state who voted for her (in a story well hidden by the press, it later turned out she'd lost TX, but the party-hoppers were the only thing that made her competetive, there). The same thing is happening in Pennsylvania--record numbers of people switching parties, Repub to Demo. This was happening at the suggestion of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and other right-wing talkers, who--again, horrified by having to face Obama and preferring the easily-defeatable Clinton--have been telling their followers to cross over and disrupt the other parties' primary process:
Voters Switch Party In Record Numbers
March 24, 2008
LANCASTER, Pa. -- People are switching to the Democratic Party in record numbers in the Keystone state as the Pennsylvania primary nears.
Since the beginning of the year, more than 57,000 people have filed an application to change their party affiliation to Democrat. The week of March 10, the latest week for which News 8 has statistics, more than 22,000 people switched to Democrat, marking a new record.
http://www.wgal.com/news/15693206/detail.html?subid=10100841
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Many Switch Political Party Affiliation in Pennsylvania
Fri March 07, 2008 - Harrisburg, PA
Andy Briggs
One month ago, abc27 found that hundreds of voters had switched to the Democratic Party. That number is now in the thousands. There are two possible reasons for this. The first is that Hillary Clinton's primary wins in Ohio and Texas this week energized her campaign and put her back in the race against Barack Obama. The second possible reason is that the deadline to switch parties or register to vote is coming in two and a half weeks.
In Dauphin County, 1,100 voters switched to Democrat since January 1st. 163 of them doing so in the past 2 days.
In Lebanon County, 500 made the switch since January 1st. 10 percent of those did it this week.
In York County, 1,000 voters changed to become Democrat. 27 of them did so since Tuesday.
And in Cumberland County, 848 became Democrats since January 1st. 42 of them since Wednesday.
A few hundred switched to become Republicans, but those numbers pale in comparison to the Democrats.
http://www.whtm.com/news/stories/0308/501865.html
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Voters switch parties to help McCain
By STEVE MARRONI
Evening Sun Reporter
03/13/2008
Sandra Reed of Gettysburg has been a Republican since she was old enough to vote.
But, Tuesday, she and her husband, Vernon, went to the Adams County Courthouse and became Democrats.
"We were registered Republicans, and we will always be Republicans, but we want to help Hillary get the No. 1 position for the Democrats," said Reed, 70. "So, we are switching for the primary to vote for Hillary, then we will switch back and vote for McCain."
http://www.eveningsun.com/ci_8559675
I feel compassion for Chelsea Clinton, as I would feel compassion for any young woman with psychopathic maniacs for parents. She has been publicly humilated by Monster McCain simply so he could get back at her parents. If she was sent away from the craziness of the White House, it was really the best thing that could have happened to her.
Let me clarify for Jacob Freeze and other simpletons like him: Chelsea Clinton=not ugly.
Cruel, heartless behavior=UGLY.
Let's see you laugh that one off, Jacob.
Kernal
Rather that question the veracity of mairs' post, why don't you look up the citations yourself to determine if the quotes provide a consistent picture of Senator Clinton? Eight sources were provided. That's a lot more work than most of us go to when presenting information on CD.
I hope Hillary does as much damage to the Democratic Party as humanly and inhumanly possible. The Democratic Party has been a sham for 40 years and it needs to be destroyed.
So Hillary might yet be a blessing in disguise for progressives in America. Let her destroy Obama and let McCain win. Nader is already pulling 10% of the votes in some places. America needs the DNC wiped off the face of the Earth if a real left wing is ever to surface as a genuine contender.
Unchained, Hillary scotched that idea with all her attacks on Obama. I think that could have happened if she had run an honest campaign, but for her winning is more important than party unity. And she obviously has considerable difficulty with honesty which everyone but her supporters has noticed.
Outside the Loop, Rove spread a whispering campaign that McCain's adopted Bangladeshi daughter was really his illegitimate child with a Black woman. The poor American public still hasn't figured out that is it comes out of Karl Rove's mouth it's a dirty lie.
kathyodat
If the Dems don't quit fighting one another, they will be welcoming in McCain as president...
This party better get united, regardless of which one wins the nomination.
I sometimes wish they would flip a coin...heads and tails on the candiate...one is pres, the other is VP...and then go after the Repubs with full force..united...
During the South Carolina primary eight years ago, didn't Karl Rove accuse McCain of having a child with Janet Reno?
Why are all of you attacking Obama and Hillary? McCain is a crazy man with lots of crazy friends. I don't care what Hillary said about Barak or what Barak said about angry bitter red necks. I do care that McCain jokes about bombing Iran and says nobody will care if the US stays in Iraq for ten thousand years! I do care. This man and his evil, immoral and insane neocon friends have to be defeated soundly this fall if we hope to ever achieve world peace and justice.
And while I am spouting off, keep your language civil. We are not barbarians.
frank1569: YES!
(sorry. gotta run.)
jacob...i don't know about "revising" my opinion while being under attack from you. my last post attempted to say that we had different perceptions of chelsea. u were able to see her as a confident 18 year old able to withstand a barb hurled at her. i thought she probably was a sensitive 18 year old unsure of hersef. that's why we have different views on mcCain's joke.
hey, live and let live.....and good luck with the art work.
And as far as McCain's mean-streak, he is a surly bastard isn't he... But I think Clinton is just as nasty. As well, I don't know why people pick on Chelsea's looks, I just did a google image search on her, and looked as some pics... she's a lovely young woman.
Rich Griffin said: "Hillary Clinton IS the better candidate"... yeah she's the better candidate if you're a 'defense company' or some other corporation... or if you're AIPAC... Or you're rich.
mairs__You must have been on the crew that "swift-boated' Kerry judging from your Hillary "quotes". Unfortunately, many people fell for that line of BS also that was later proved to be a pack of lies. There were people on TV swearing it was all true.
I believe St Obama has it wrong, it is not the Pennsylvania folks that are "bitter", it is his supporters on CD. I imagine if one wanted to dig down in the muck enough, some things could be found that would not sound so good about Obama, but the Clinton supporters do not seem to live down there.
I do not believe crap like you dug up about people unless I hear them say it and sometimes any of us will get carried away with our speech. It is more important to notice their countenance, as it tells much about people. Did you ever take a look at Cheney`s expression, it says a lot.
One of the reasons I did not vote for Bush was the arrogance he could not hide and that certainly showed in his actions.
I see no problem with either Dem candidate concerning their speech or manner.
Though sad, well said. As for me I'm thinking seriously about leave the 'ol US of A.
All credit to zgoobadooba for lightening up about the joke. It was the last thing I expected to happen, and partially restores my faith in CommonDreams. I don't think there's anything in the world more difficult than revising an opinion while it's under attack.
I agree that it's sort of a mean joke, but I don't think it's going to crush Chelsea Clinton's self-esteem while she's running in and out of exclusive clubs in London and New York with a long list of rich and handsome boyfriends.
As for the ludicrous quotes posted by "mairs," all of them originate from little opportunists during the Whitewater-Kenneth Starr era, when anyone who had ever approached within a mile of any of the Clintons could count on a payout from Richard Mellon Scaife for anything demeaning they published about Hillary and Bill.
"mairs" isn't an Obama supporter. He or she is a Republican troll, and even an especially repulsive example of that repulsive species.
I don't know what I'm voting for anymore. Actually, I've learned a terribly sobering and depressing lesson - there really is nothing to vote for, only things to vote against.
After learning (more) about McCain, after seeing both the Clinton's savaging campaigning, after hearing Obama declare (during yesterday's debate) that he admired Bush I foreign policy, and after just seeing the Democratically led Maine legislature pass the Real ID act, I see no winners, only the degree of loss.
What a pity that the nature of our better angels has to die in perpetuity.
I will vote for Obama, but I will not expect much change. I will reserve some hope that he's different, that enough progressives can influence him and the Democratic Party, but I will live my life as if this won't happen. It is the only way I can maintain what little sanity I have.
Is it just me or does anyone else notice that the pro-Hillary posts are long on umbrage but short on facts? Even the two above claiming HRC is more "progressive" (a death sentence for the already near-dead word "progressive") provide no back-up. Where are the progressive votes and speeches? Where is the arm-twisting and lobbying for progressive causes? And if she is so "progressive" why doesn't she do more than (infrequently) use the term? HRC failed the single most important political test of her career - she enthusiastically voted for and lobbied for Bush's War resolution in 02. Expediance is no excuse to condemn thousands to death, tens of thousands of severe injury and millions to refugee status. She failed. It is that simple. No true "progressive" could ever have supported this war. She did until mid-06. Progressive voters should have the cojones to punish such appallingly cynical politics even when Obama and HRC's position on ending the war are not that different. We should not forget and for now we should not forgive. Any other position amounts to support for Bush's War.
I don't care about their language but I do care that they don't care enough to at least keep their verbal excesses in check while anyone else is present. That's what makes them both monsters - their utter contempt for everyone else who isn't them. I believe those quotes - the best defense against slander is the truth - so inasmuch as none of the authors were sued for slander - I guess we can believe their sources.
The thing that I fault them for goes back many years and will never be resolved in my lifetime;namely that Bill, notwithstanding his other 'proclivities' could have done some wonderful things for our country and the world in general and womankind in particular - if, for no other reason than he loves women - unlike so many of their brethren who despise women, spelled b-u-s-h. Alas BJB (like Teddy Kennedy, re
'accidental death' of Maryjo Kopecney) seems to hold his strongest and weakest points in the same joint (no pun intended.)
ok...jacob freeze... a bit of a smile came to my face, when i first heard this joke. then, upon reflection, i thought it a bit mean. and continuing to repeat it was surely mean. no, i don't think chelsea is ugly. i, and other people, saw her as being kinda homely as a youngster. with that being my perception of her, i thought it cruel that a person would continuosly tell that joke if the person being on the butt end of the joke was an 18 year old girl possibly sensitive about her looks.
hey, if u thought she was attractive all the way thru...more power to ya.
"zgoobadooba" thinks that laughing at McCain's joke implies a particular attitude about Chelsea Clinton, and this is a problem that excruciatingly literal minded people always have with jokes.
No, "zgoobadooba," I don't think Chelsea Clinton is ugly, or even unattractive, but the joke is still funny.
Why is it funny?
You'll never know, "zgoobadooba," and neither will most of the other humorless pseudonyms who posted on this thread.
It would be quite enlightening to see and listen to the candidates out of their roles. It would help us all shed our various illusions.
hillary has ALREADY made a choice between her daughter and her own chance at gaining FAME.. she has already made that choice when she and bill could have got anyone in their admin to do what they want on the health plan.. but hillary wanted the fame for herself so she set up her to do this and an office in the white house ... she chose to put her daughter away in a private school... and jimmy carter was SHOCKED at that and said so.. saying that his wife kept amy in the white house with no problems...
so hillary's number care is to feed her insane need for power and fame no matter how it harms her daughter...
hillary is a MONSTER!!!
My gosh "squirrel cheeks" is one to talk.
Oops, sorry. Just finishing this up. Back to your topic.
I'm personally not interested in what language Hillary uses in private. It's not an issue with me and is really none of my business, but if she acts outraged in public over the words of Obama that she describes as being insulting to the good people of Pennsylvania, then perhaps her own level of respect toward others could stand some scrutiny.
jacob freeze says "the joke about chelsea is still funny." ok...a fair amount of people probably saw chelsea as being kinda homely as a young girl. a public figure like mcCain, who continuously re-told this "joke" about an 18 year old, is just out-and-out mean. not being able to see this and still thinking the joke is funny tells us all we need to know about jacob freeze.
Let's get this discussion back to McCain. I think he is a "Manchurian Candidate". Those torturers in Hanoi had 5 years to work on him. I think he got warped, damaged over there. I feel pity for him, but I don't think being a former POW is a particularly good credential for a president.
Those weren't my words Kernel, those were Hillary quotes, as you might have noticed by the quotation marks. Go tell her to clean up her act if she wants to be president. Don't project her words onto Obama supporters. They and I have nothing to do with how she conducts herself. There are quotes from many books and first-hand accounts describing her use of language. They are consistent and can't all be wrong. Daniel, I haven't altered anything.
mairs, I've heard stories about Hillary's temper, but the Clintons sound like Tricky Dick. Act like him too.
OldBadgertoo, why is it Obama should quit when he's ahead? I'm not suggesting anyone should quit before all the voters get to vote, but because Hillary's behind, she's running on a platform of trying to discredit Obama as the best reason for why she's the better candidate. I'm particularly offended by her attitude that she's entitled to the Presidency. On what basis? That it's her turn? That after all the crap she put up with Bill she deserves a reward?
kernel, your suspicions are certainly ill founded in my case. I wouldn't have left the Green Party if Obama wasn't in the race. What is it with these Hillary lovers? Do you all think 6 years sucking up to Walton on the Wal-Mart Board of Directors while he's busting unions and abusing female workers makes her a better qualified candidate for President? Get a clue.
kathyodat
mairs,
I don't know about the CD "censors" (if indeed there are any) and how they feel about language, but if your alleged quotations from Hillary Clinton are honest research citations from books about her, then they are good information for readers here to take a look at. It doesn't mean everyone has to believe the authors of such books, but a little collection of published material shouldn't be off limits. Please tell us you didn't stretch any of it, though.
mairs____Why don`t you crawl back in the gutter where you came from? I am sure the great Christian saint Obama would be pleased to know what kind of supporters he has.
It is rather interesting that the Clinton supporters seem able to state their opinions of Obama in decent language and while they are not convinced he can deliver what he promises,do not demonize him as your post does to Hillary.
Apparently some posts on CD get taken off for one reason or another, so someone must have been asleep when yours arrived.
Paul, with my first donation to Obama I got a personal note from someone matching my donation. I like that program too.
If she gets the nomination, we'll have the choice between two anger junkies. Her perplexing behavior during the primary is clearer to me now, considering the large amount of material from many sources out there describing her crude and nasty temperament. And reading about the volatile and backbiting atmosphere within her own campaign corroborates this.
"Stay the f*ck back, stay the f*ck away from me! Don't come within ten yards of me, or else! … Just f*cking do as I say, okay!"
Words from America's lovely First Lady to the brave and devoted Secret Service agents who were committed to protecting her life (Unlimited Access, p. 139). In A Matter of Character (p. 2), Ron Kessler wrote "Secret Service agents assigned at various points to guard Hillary during her campaign for the Senate were dismayed at how two-faced and unbalanced she was."
Bimbos, sluts, trailer trash, rednecks, and sh*t-kickers.
Terms Hillary commonly used to describe Arkansans.
American Evita, by Christopher Andersen, p. 139.
"You all remember Mahatma Ghandi. He ran a gas station down in St. Louis."
Said during a speech at a Democratic fundraiser (CNN, 01/04/04). Senator Clinton was later forced to apologize.
"G*dd*mn L.D., did you see that family right out of Deliverance? Get me the hell out of here."
To L.D. Brown, her bodyguard, while at a county fair in Arkansas in the early 1980s. They had just spoken to folks in bib overalls and cotton dresses.
"[You] f*cking idiot."
To a state trooper who was driving her to an event. (Crossfire, p. 84). Describing Hillary's general personality, Larry Gleghorn, a former state trooper, said: "She was a bitch day in and day out" (The First Partner, p. 119).
"Where is the g*dd*mn f*cking flag? I want the g*dd*mn f*cking flag up every f*cking morning at f*cking sunrise."
Said by the First Lady of Arkansas to her staff at the Arkansas governor's mansion on Labor Day, 1991. (Inside the White House, p. 244).
"That sorry son of a bitch." That is what Hillary would often refer to Bill around the mansion of the Arkansas's governor's mansion, according to state trooper Larry Patterson.
"[You] motherf*cking Jew."
Hillary to Bill (Bitter Legacy, p. 11). Hillary is a big supporter of the PLO, which pits her against Israel.
[You] Jew bastard…[You] Jew motherf*cker.
Common insults that both Hillary and Bill Clinton used with each other and towards others who angered them, according to former bodyguard Larry Patterson (The State of A Union, p. 155).
Oh dear. Another Obama maniac wants her to give up without a fight! Why? Because Obama doesn't have the gumption to keep going against a serious opponent? In that case, it is Obama who should bow to superior experience and resolution, and make way for the woman candidate. Or is it because she is a woman that this obvious conclusion is so obscured for so many media and internet commentators?
McCain has turned into a shameless clone for Bush, but the joke about Chelsea Clinton is still funny, and it's even funnier when a bunch of tight-assed hoodoos start obsessing about it on Common Dreams.
David Letterman makes jokes about McCain's age all the time, and there's never any protest about it on Common Dreams.
So you hoodoos obviously hate senior citizens, and endorse having them humiliated on national television!
Disgusting!
In the meantime, McCain treats Letterman's jokes like jokes, and goes back on the show with a few jokes of his own:
"You look like a guy caught smuggling reptiles in his pants. You look like the guy who the neighbors later say, 'He mostly kept to himself.' You look like the night manager of a creepy motel."
Somebody should write Chelsea Clinton a good joke to get back at McCain.
And none of the commenters on this thread would ever get it, no matter how many times anyone with a sense of humor tried to explain it to them.
over the last couple months, when i heard hillary say that she and mcCain just got on so well, i was tempted to post the hillary/reno "joke." but i thought there was a chance chelsea had never heard it and why cause any unecessary pain. but now that it's very public, i'll add this. during his 2000 presidential run, mcCain would regale any new reporter to his press bus with this joke...i guess the prick thought it was just SO funny. it got to the point where the regularly touring reporters began to tell him that he should probably tone it down.
this spring, just before the ohio primary, hillary, in her populist pose, told an interviewer that she didn't think hedge funds added anything positive to the economy. chelsea, on leave from her job and campaigning full-time for her mom, works for a hedge fund!!
Nice letter, Frank.
whatever you say.
Letter to Hillary, Part II:
"You can't win. Period. The math is the math. You've lost. So get lost."
Letter to Americans not members of the GOPathological cult:
Vote Nader.
Both Dems promise to pull out of Iraq in a timely safe manner....
McCain promises to stay until we win.
He said he would stay for 100 years as long as no US soldiers are getting killed.
Now when will it occur for the press and the Dems to point out the contradictions here.
McCain is implying that if there is any resistance (soldiers killed) to our occupation we have not won...but since there is always resistance to occupation, McCain will keep us there (if he lives that long) for over 100 years or as long as it takes. Then he confuses that by giving the excuse that we are still in Korea and Europe but there is not yet resistance (US soldiers killed by resistance) in Korea and Europe.
He is clever at bullshitting in a way that the media and the Dems so far accept.
Why doesn't anyone ask him directly if we should still be in South Vietnam if the peace process (our losing) had not brought him home so he could run for president.
Either he is lying about staying until we win or he wants us to believe that winning means that we will never leave... or we will stay until we win so that we can stay forever.
I guess it is too confusing for the Dems or the press to try to figure out what he is talking about... which shows he is perfect to keep the Bush Doctrine.
I guess the best thing to point out is that we already lost.
He makes no sense to me .... am I missing something?
George Stephanopolis performed a NATIONAL SERVICE as one of the moderators in last night's debate by FORCING Hillary to reluctantly admit that Barack indeed "is electable." He did not allow her to dodge a yes-or-no question on this, and thus shut down her campaign's favorite (and racist-baiting) stealth weapon.
As for the "slime" stuff that McCain was capable of in joking about teenager Chelsea's looks, HE IS STILL CAPABLE OF THE SAME SLIME. This is not for Hillary, as Mom, to avenge, nor do we somehow owe the Clintons another turn in The White House because of it. What we owe Chelsea and owe ourselves is the flat-out defeat of John McCain on principle and the installation of a new-style president actually sought by many of Chelsea's generation. That, of course, would be Barack.
One is left to wonder what it would take--what Hillary could possibly do that would open the eyes of her fans--she hasn't got an appealing character, especially. She is vindictive, mean, haughty, smug. Lying comes easily. She has a corny, boring, stilted speaking style. Her politics are compromised, calculated--she has a ton of baggage. Just what the hell do you see? One is left to wonder if McBush had a "D" next to his name, would he would inspire the same allegiance. One is left to suspect racist undertones or Right-wing infiltration and sabotage as the options that make the most sense due to the fact that she is unfavored and galvanizes the Republican base at a time when they have little else to unite them.
I did write this trying to appeal to Hillary's better nature, and that of her supporters....but that last debate last night... After being pinned down to say yes, she'd support him...the rest was Hllary's embracing every Republican line that the moderators could throw out.
I think Obama is strong and agile enough to withstand this, but the longer it goes on, the longer it hurts.
I also donated more to him yesterday and will make some more phone calls-I really like the program where you get to match the donations of new grassroots supporters
McCain is a true dirtbag for his attack on Chelsea. In my opinion, she is a very attractive lady, both in personality and looks, most unlike her mother. Hillary has to be the most self centered, fake, and dishonest person I have seen in campaigning since Bu$h was running. The object we all need to strive for is defeating John McCain. If this doesn't happen, it's four more years of destruction that awaits the U.S. Sure, it's okay to campaign in your own favor and is in fact expected, but 'Muricans are getting sick and tired of negative campaigns. Both candidates need to be campaigning on their strengths rather than their opponents weaknesses, otherwise, the voters, including myself, will make the assumption that they don't have any qualities and/or strengths to discuss and therefore must cut their opponent down to improve their own image. Hillary especially has been running a negative campaign, and the qualities she has thus far discussed and her plans for the future haven't amounted to much. Hillary, either put up or shut up!
Rich Griffen___ Right on!! It is nice to see there are a few people as yourself that realize either one of the Dems will be 1000% better than McWar, but Hillary may be the better of the two to handle this difficult situation.
It is too bad that some so-called Progressives are not capable of serious thought but waste everyone`s time with their stupid and crude remarks about HRC. I am suspicious that many of those slime attacks are coming from right wing stooges that know Hillary can beat their man and clean up their rotten mess.
Paul, you're wasting your time appealing to Hillary Rodham Clinton's better instincts. She doesn't have any. She's a SNAKE, as proven yet again in last night's "debate."
Rich Griffin you're funny! Hillary has been the queen of personal attacks. She started the personal attack fight, Obama didn't. And he didn't hit back at first, but she wasn't letting up. She did it because when she fell behind it was her only recourse. And how much do you really know about her? Just her campaign sweet talk? From your words I don't expect an apology from you when you realize what she really is if you ever do.
kathyodat
"In January 1995, as the Clintons were licking their wounds from the 1994 congressional elections, a debate emerged at a retreat at Camp David. Should the administration make overtures to working class white southerners who had all but forsaken the Democratic Party? The then-first lady took a less than inclusive approach.
'Screw 'em,' she told her husband. 'You don't owe them a thing, Bill. They're doing nothing for you; you don't have to do anything for them.'"
Author: Sam Stein Huffington Post
I find the cult of Obama shameful! Hillary Clinton IS the better candidate - in terms of policies, leadership abilities, experience, and she's more PROGRESSIVE, he's more centrist. I've noticed that it is always personal attacks on her character, never that Obama has better policies (this is for a simple reason: he doesn't have better policies!) If he wins, I can't wait for all of you to apologize to me when you WAKE UP and realize that he isn't who you think he is! He will be a terrible one-term president, if he wins, mark my words!
Paul, I think you're wasting your breath on Hillary. All she cares about is getting the nomination and if her only chance is by turning Democrats against Obama - at whatever cost to the party, that is what she will do. And if she succeeds in damaging him enough that McCain wins, she will say "See, I told you he couldn't win". Her tactic is no different than Bush handing off the Iraq war to the next President so he can blame someone else for losing it. Some people are just natural destroyers. It's too bad they find their way into politics and the voters don't know what hit them. Reagan destroyed California's social infrastructure and the blame got shifted onto property taxes rising to try to pay for the damage. The public swallowed that one and I watched it feeling gobsmacked at the idiocy surrounding me. But I was young, and didn't realize that people don't pay attention to what is going on. They just see results and look for the nearest scapegoat being helpfully served up.
luckylefty pretty much nailed it. When Hillary was asked if Obama could win, she almost swallowed her tongue trying not to say "No". Considering that's exactly what she's been saying to the super delegates, she was now forced to publicly contradict herself. But Obama is not Carter. He's smart as Hell and doesn't take it lying down. He also really does work at building bridges and inspiring people to get involved. I haven't voted for a Democrat for 36 years, but the more I learned about him and watched him in action, the more I felt like supporting him. I think he's a rare political person who has the capacity bring us into the political process. His campaign is based on the premise that change is a bottom up process. Well, right now there's a huge number of us on the bottom. And I admire how he handles himself under pressure.
kathyodat
Who here remembers Hillary Clinton's insane cackle when she was asked about torture?
Hillary Clinton doesn't care if you insult her daughter or herself in fact she loves it. She is only comfortable in the slime. She only comes up for air.
I agree that the Chelsea comment, along with the infamous Beach Boys' "Bomb-bomb-bomb, Bomb-bomb Iran" ditty John McCain sang for the faithful at a GOP primary rally, offer "a window into McCain's cruel side", revealing much about his sense of humor.
Is this really the type of character we want, and judgment we can collectively trust, to answer the red phone when it jingles at 3:00 am?
Bill from Saginaw
Give money to Obama - that is how you defeat Clinton and McSame.
Given the Dragon Lady's slimey persona and her inability to ever convince any working person that she gives a damn about them, she's going to sink Obama, do everything in her power to shoe-in McCain, retain control of the DNC/DLC $$$ with that sociopath animal she calls her husband, murder in the womb any Dim opposition within the party over the next four years and guarantee her shot in 2012. YES they are that corrupt. YES they would suck the marrow from the bones of infants if it gave them Power and no one was looking. They are Professional Overseers on Master's Plantation. They are in it just like Master for wealth, for privilege (aka private law), and for POWER. And these aren't even the bad guys. Should she fail and BHO does take the purple, she, her animal husband, and the rest of the Dims will destroy him from within the party, because he's an outsider. That's who they are. Politicians. They're gonna do just like they did to Carter. Not our first rodeo.
Apart from the total economic/political collapse of "The Former United States of AmeriKa", and given the "anarchy" as the bankrupt former slave Empire sinks into fragmented war zones controlled by Aryan warlords like Eric Prince, whadja think of the movie? After all, this entire film was shot right here in America with real live Americans. We made these monsters. They are us.
Peace