There's a man in Florida who has been writing to me for years (ten pages, handwritten) though I've never met him. He tells me the kinds of jobs he has held-security guard, repairman, etc. He has worked all kinds of shifts, night and day, to barely keep his family going. His letters to me have always been angry, railing against our capitalist system for its failure to assure "life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness" for working people.
Just today, a letter came. To my relief it was not handwritten because he is now using e-mail: "Well, I'm writing to you today because there is a wretched situation in this country that I cannot abide and must say something about. I am so enraged about this mortgage crisis. That the majority of Americans must live their lives in perpetual debt, and so many are sinking beneath the load, has me so steamed. Damn, that makes me so mad, I can't tell you. . . . I did a security guard job today that involved watching over a house that had been foreclosed on and was up for auction. They held an open house, and I was there to watch over the place during this event. There were three of the guards doing the same thing in three other homes in this same community. I was sitting there during the quiet moments and wondering about who those people were who had been evicted and where they were now."
On the same day I received this letter, there was a front-page story in the Boston Globe, with the headline "Thousands in Mass. Foreclosed on in '07."
The subhead was "7,563 homes were seized, nearly 3 times the '06 rate."
A few nights before, CBS television reported that 750,000 people with disabilities have been waiting for years for their Social Security benefits because the system is underfunded and there are not enough personnel to handle all the requests, even desperate ones.
Stories like these may be reported in the media, but they are gone in a flash. What's not gone, what occupies the press day after day, impossible to ignore, is the election frenzy.
This seizes the country every four years because we have all been brought up to believe that voting is crucial in determining our destiny, that the most important act a citizen can engage in is to go to the polls and choose one of the two mediocrities who have already been chosen for us. It is a multiple choice test so narrow, so specious, that no self-respecting teacher would give it to students.
And sad to say, the Presidential contest has mesmerized liberals and radicals alike. We are all vulnerable.
Is it possible to get together with friends these days and avoid the subject of the Presidential elections?
The very people who should know better, having criticized the hold of the media on the national mind, find themselves transfixed by the press, glued to the television set, as the candidates preen and smile and bring forth a shower of clichés with a solemnity appropriate for epic poetry.
Even in the so-called left periodicals, we must admit there is an exorbitant amount of attention given to minutely examining the major candidates. An occasional bone is thrown to the minor candidates, though everyone knows our marvelous democratic political system won't allow them in.
No, I'm not taking some ultra-left position that elections are totally insignificant, and that we should refuse to vote to preserve our moral purity. Yes, there are candidates who are somewhat better than others, and at certain times of national crisis (the Thirties, for instance, or right now) where even a slight difference between the two parties may be a matter of life and death.
I'm talking about a sense of proportion that gets lost in the election madness. Would I support one candidate against another? Yes, for two minutes-the amount of time it takes to pull the lever down in the voting booth.
But before and after those two minutes, our time, our energy, should be spent in educating, agitating, organizing our fellow citizens in the workplace, in the neighborhood, in the schools. Our objective should be to build, painstakingly, patiently but energetically, a movement that, when it reaches a certain critical mass, would shake whoever is in the White House, in Congress, into changing national policy on matters of war and social justice.
Let's remember that even when there is a "better" candidate (yes, better Roosevelt than Hoover, better anyone than George Bush), that difference will not mean anything unless the power of the people asserts itself in ways that the occupant of the White House will find it dangerous to ignore.
The unprecedented policies of the New Deal-Social Security, unemployment insurance, job creation, minimum wage, subsidized housing-were not simply the result of FDR's progressivism. The Roosevelt Administration, coming into office, faced a nation in turmoil. The last year of the Hoover Administration had experienced the rebellion of the Bonus Army-thousands of veterans of the First World War descending on Washington to demand help from Congress as their families were going hungry. There were disturbances of the unemployed in Detroit, Chicago, Boston, New York, Seattle.
In 1934, early in the Roosevelt Presidency, strikes broke out all over the country, including a general strike in Minneapolis, a general strike in San Francisco, hundreds of thousands on strike in the textile mills of the South. Unemployed councils formed all over the country. Desperate people were taking action on their own, defying the police to put back the furniture of evicted tenants, and creating self-help organizations with hundreds of thousands of members.
Without a national crisis-economic destitution and rebellion-it is not likely the Roosevelt Administration would have instituted the bold reforms that it did.
Today, we can be sure that the Democratic Party, unless it faces a popular upsurge, will not move off center. The two leading Presidential candidates have made it clear that if elected, they will not bring an immediate end to the Iraq War, or institute a system of free health care for all.
They offer no radical change from the status quo.
They do not propose what the present desperation of people cries out for: a government guarantee of jobs to everyone who needs one, a minimum income for every household, housing relief to everyone who faces eviction or foreclosure.
They do not suggest the deep cuts in the military budget or the radical changes in the tax system that would free billions, even trillions, for social programs to transform the way we live.
None of this should surprise us. The Democratic Party has broken with its historic conservatism, its pandering to the rich, its predilection for war, only when it has encountered rebellion from below, as in the Thirties and the Sixties. We should not expect that a victory at the ballot box in November will even begin to budge the nation from its twin fundamental illnesses: capitalist greed and militarism.
So we need to free ourselves from the election madness engulfing the entire society, including the left.
Yes, two minutes. Before that, and after that, we should be taking direct action against the obstacles to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
For instance, the mortgage foreclosures that are driving millions from their homes-they should remind us of a similar situation after the Revolutionary War, when small farmers, many of them war veterans (like so many of our homeless today), could not afford to pay their taxes and were threatened with the loss of the land, their homes. They gathered by the thousands around courthouses and refused to allow the auctions to take place.
The evictions today of people who cannot pay their rents should remind us of what people did in the Thirties when they organized and put the belongings of the evicted families back in their apartments, in defiance of the authorities.
Historically, government, whether in the hands of Republicans or Democrats, conservatives or liberals, has failed its responsibilities, until forced to by direct action: sit-ins and Freedom Rides for the rights of black people, strikes and boycotts for the rights of workers, mutinies and desertions of soldiers in order to stop a war.
Voting is easy and marginally useful, but it is a poor substitute for democracy, which requires direct action by concerned citizens.
Howard Zinn is the author of "A People's History of the United States," "Voices of a People's History" (with Anthony Arnove), and most recently, "A Power Governments Cannot Suppress."
©2008 The Progressive Magazine
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Show AllThere is nothing more outrageous (or disgusting) nowadays than a not so veiled plea for voting the Dubyacratic Party line on election day, especially when it comes from a self styled "progressive" or "radical" of Howard Zinn's ilk.
We've already heard this from the Jackass Republican lobby in 2004, coming from the eminence gris himself, Noam Chomsky (who hilariously claimed that Democratic rule under the war-monger-wannabe John Kerry would ultimately be less violent, somewhat more enlightened than Bush), to the Code Crimson'd Lady Benjamin (who went so far as to join the Greens for the express purpose of undermining their national convention, and then similarly urged Green regulars to vote the Afrikaner ticket).
And people wonder what's happened to the anti-war movement. With a sorry lot like Zinn et al at the helm, what did people think was going to happen?
As for bonnie Prince Albert, "Al Gore, A User's Manual" should dispel the myth of this most supreme of all hypocrits.
Fuck the Democrats. This has been a bi-partisan war on Palestine and the Arab and Muslim worlds from the very beginning. It is time to throw the lot of them out of power once and for all, the Afrikaners among them most of all.
Time for a Green revolt.
Go Cynthia, Go!
judi, good points and serious thinking.
Howard is certainly correct, that the "madness" of this campaign info-entertainment vacuous 'distraction' must pass --- and it will by November.
The 2008 election will ultimately come down to a confrontation (and last vote) between democracy vs. empire.
By November the existing ruling corporatist Empire, hiding behind this current facade of 'Vichy' government, will have greatly expanded its imperialist oil-war(s) "abroad", and installed 'police state' spying, tyranny, and economic oppression "at home" ---- thus fulfilling Hannah Arendt's warning that, "Empire abroad (always) entails tyranny at home."
Thus, in near revolt, the general population will more clearly see their last chance to vote as the last non-violent chance to expunge the empire and save democracy.
Such revolutionary times will try men's souls and courage ---- and those candidates who dare not even breath the word 'empire', let alone confront it, will not be elected.
Nader, the democracy advocate, believes people "think that the country needs an infusion of freedom, democracy, choice, dissent", and that the country should not be a corporatist Empire.
Not surprisingly, this is exactly what Al Gore radically recommends in his fabulous new book, "The Assault on Reason" --- warning that the government is fully in the hands of a "corporatist faction" that disavows there is even "such a thing as 'the public interest'."
While Nader and Gore take action against a corporatist take-over of our government, a ruling "corporatist faction" (effectively a corporatist empire hiding behind the façade of 'Vichy' government) the Boston Globe writes, "Just don't call Barack Obama liberal" (2/26).
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/02/26/just_dont_call_bar...
Anyone afraid of even saying the word 'liberal' is never going to confront corporatist backers to "Take down that Empire!".
The solution for Obama's squeamishness, and our country's democracy, will be a Gore-Nader Green ticket side-steeping the vague mushiness of liberal, conservative, moderate, progressive, left, right, Republican, Democrat --- and instead offering the razor sharp clarity of an election based on democracy vs. empire.
Yes, in 2008, at last, the election will be based on:
"It's the Empire, stupid".
So many comments so I guess I just have to put my two cents in as well. Overcoming the corporate stranglehold is a daunting challenge and where does one begin? None of my friends or family or acquaintances want to discuss politics. One told me not to get all upset about the Bush debacle. It will take a swell of protestors and grassroots organizations to make a dent in the government that has the common citizen in a choke hold and contrary to what the ordinary citizen believes, things will just get worse. Like where will all these people live who have lost their homes? Unfortunately, it will not be as easy to fight the powerstructures that hold our basic rights at bay and we will be fighting against a Big Brother government that keeps us scored against a huge database. I have faith that the young foks with their expertise in computer technology will prove a blessing down the road when so many of our basic freedoms have been abolished. It's a daunting challenge to overcome and we could begin by voting and marching for a real Democrat--Nader.
I just saw Howard's post and didn't have time to read the thread but I see one thing that I always see in Howard's message .That is THE PEOPLE MUST MAKE THE CHANGE THEY SEEK.
Governments NEVER give the people anything unless they are forced to PERIOD.
Stop pandering for dems and repugs and start coming up with ways to get rid of that mindset that the MSM ,CFR,WTO ,NAFTA,etc,etc has INSTALLED in your head.
We need more than hope, yes, but if we preach hopelessness we won't get anywhere. Personally, if I were a member of the Bush cartel I'd pay someone good money to wander around on the net, telling people there isn't anything they can do to change things.
Louis Libby wrote a novel, titled The Apprentice, the plot details of which aren't important. What is important is the point of the story, which isn't revealed until the end, and can be summarized in this fashion: "Yes, there is a conspiracy, but you can't do anything about it, so you might as well forget about it and get on with your lives."
GREAT POST-especially appreciated the line about the "shower of cliches delivered with the solemnity appropriate for epic poetry." yessir,reminded me of the iliad-you know the poem about the trojan war-the one which made the world safe for geometry.back in antiquity,the right triangle was only for the right people.the equilateral triangle was out of the question for the average family.that left only the structurally unsound isosceles formation,with the predictable architectural disasters.today we take universal access to geometry for granted,but it wasn't always so.like ambassador douglas said a while back "power concedes NOTHING without a fight".
TheMan, yes, yes, yes. I know the history.
I was the guy who wrote in my Boston Globe in the summer of 2000 that "Gore came down from the mountains wearing a Castro beard and fatigues and talking revolution, and that the DNC/DLC gutted his act".
That was then, and now is now.
Gore had no guts in the Summer of 2000 when he very briefly talked the populist talk, and just as quickly failed to walk the populist walk against corporatist power.
He lost his nerve. He was conned by the Democrat establishment. Whatever. He caved in 2000.
But, but, but.
The guy grew some.
Don't give me any grief until you read his 2007, "The Assault on Reason".
All I can say is that I have never read anything as radical and confrontive of the corporatist Empire hiding behind this facade of our currently totally corrupted 'Vichy' faux government anywhere. Anywhere. (and I read some radical shit)
"Fighting the Empire?" Gore was the Empire!
What is all this Gore Love. This man did nothing when in office. He did worse than nothing, he was the driving force behind NAFTA, Welfare Reform, and Cutting SSI disability insurance, and stood by as the election was stoolen from him and all of us. Everyone loves Gore because he was in a movie and wrote a new book, but as a leader, even a Senator he did nothing but screw us over. Exactly how is he preferable to Obama, or any conservative Democrat?
Gore in his fabulous fighting book, "Assault on Reason" knows that to survive as a democracy the US, led by a real president, needs to fight what he calls the "radical-right corporatist faction (empire)" --- and thus he can't endorse the corporatist owned Obama.---or Clinton.
Gore will run with Nader on a Green independent ticket and win the 2008 election by exposing and fighting against the corporatist Empire hiding behind this facade of 'Vichy America', which by November will have thrown the US into a second Great Depression and a greatly expanded war in the Middle East.
Gore knows that you can't save the environment (or a democratic world) without beating the Empire --- and thus it's not so far-fetched that he can't endorse any corporate imperialist candidates, nor that he wouldn't join with another Green (Nader) who has the courage, commitment, and knowledge to really fight the Empire on the way to a sustainable world.
Sure Gore and Nader seem like an improbable pair, but so did Bogey and Captain Renault --- and that was the start of a great friendship --- because they all know that fighting Empire is the key to everything.
Howard Zinn is of course absolutely correct about the "madness", the un-substantialness, the vacuousness, the absolute 'show' of this election.
Despite the unanimous and rousing agreement of all the op-ed writers, the talking-head punditry, the Sunday-morning TV puff-balls, and the MSM 'royal court' of political experts that this is, "the most enthusiastic and interesting election ever", the entire two-year election campaign could be summed-up as:
He said this about her, then she said this about him.
Who is more authentic?
Who has the momentum?
Who has the best funding?
Who has which demographic?
Who's campaign is better run? released nasty information on the other? will interfer with policy? etc, etc, etc.?
The proof of the massive vacuousness of this MSM 'staged' election is precisely that they both agree on all the same issues --- and have publicly said so, multiple times!
Yes, Professor Zinn, what "madness".
Yes, Professor Zinn, as you say of history (and the current unreality):
"Historically, government, whether in the hands of Republicans or Democrats, conservatives or liberals, has failed its responsibilities, until forced to by direct action"
Yes, Professor Zinn, "it is a poor substitute for democracy"
What I see is a supposed government totally divorced from the people ---- and hiding behind lots of labels, words and two parties that disguise a simpler reality.
Historically, for the American people the issue was simpler and binary, leading to action (as you recommend) ---- do we want to live under empire or democracy?
Surprisingly, today the issue is the same, despite all attempts to to substitute ideological and party terms ---- are we today willing to live under an unrepresentative corporatist Empire, or do we have the guts to fight for democracy?
NOT Surprisingly, none of the corporate Empire's vetted, selected, funded, and promoted candidates will say jack about EMPIRE (or real democracy, without which the only alternative will remain Empire by the softer, vaguer, insubstantial, vacuous, and distracting entertainment of
the 'mad' and falsely exciting election crap that the MSM shills and distracters are currently hyping and blowing up our posteriors).
debunker:
I agree with your statements. I think we (meaning America) has gone down a dark and scary road, and we can no longer see the light on either side of the path. But, with time, the American people will rise again and take hold of their government. I'm predicting this day will come when something catastrophic happens: nuclear bomb goes off, MAJOR environmental disaster, presidential assassination, or a great depression.
debunker, while I believe your points are very valid, its true they wont do shit to change anything. And maybe, as individuals (you and I), we can't do anything this time around, on this very day. What we need to work for is someone who can revolutionize this country. Obama started down this direction, but once people looked at his policies, they realized he actually wouldn't be a big "change". Nader and Kucinich and Gravel and Paul will not do the job. The all look funny and sometimes come across as angry or crazy. Maybe this future leader would be better off outside of the political arena, like MLK or Ghandi or even the Dalai Llama. This person is obviously not here yet, but if we can search for this man or woman, America might wake up. Probably not though. Canada anyone? ;)
I definitely agree with Zinn here. I have 2 things to add.
1. Just in terms of the election: as things are now, I favor Obama only because I feel that he may be responsive to large movements and public pressure, where Clinton will only hear here Corporate Masters, as shown in the past. I don't expect him to "SAVE" us. If Hoover or someone else had been president other than Roosevelt they probably would not have given in to public pressure, and would have taken us to totalitarianism first. Voting is important to pick the leaders who are most likely to listen to you, but it is public activism that changes things.
2. Unfortunately America is very Conservative, and even more Conformist. It took the Great Depression to give us Welfare and Social Security (of coarse Bill Clinton took Welfare away). The earlier American immigrants (or invading imperialists) came from Europe; yet today Europeans fill the streets for their rights on a regular basis, so they have things like National Health Care. I don't know why most Americans are so scared and uncomfortable with rocking the boat. I've met older people who still don't like Martian Luther King not because they are racists, they even believed in civil rights, but they didn't like how he disrupted society and made them have to look at themselves. Maybe that is the reason. Americans like to believe they live in the best nation on earth, and don't want to have to question their own beliefs, or the actions of their leaders. I don't know how this mindset came to be. What I do know is that most Americans do not mobilize until there is a huge crisis like a Depression or an Ecological disaster, and it has to effect them personally, they must feel its effects everyday, but at the same time it must also be sudden. If things go downhill gradually, as they have the last few decades, Americans act like the frog, they stay in the boiling water till they die. We have to not only convince people that things could be better, but also make them realize when and how things were better.
In terms of Nader, this is not 2000. Nader is no longer a Green Party candidate. If you must vote independent a better choice is Cynthia Mckinney who is the Green Party nominee. Unlike Nader a vote for her would be a vote for a movement not an individual, also voting for local green or progressive candidates would be even more useful in the long run.
Great article Professor Zinn. My attention is too much on CD. I will vote, but also I think I have figured out what i'm going to do now that i'm a grownup. stay tuned.
but madness can end the vote. . .what to do?
Would you agree with "if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem" or would you answer there is no solution?
Debunker and Surrender: maybe a better question for you all is....
ARE YOU HELPING? Really, how? Are you just tearing down? To what affect? In regards to the article, how are you helping? In regards to recognizing, then solving any of our problems today, how are you helping?
Please, enlighten me.
You may not realize it, but your language seems to be advocating giving up- then what, a french style revolution complete with guillotines? Nice thought, but think it through.
Maybe you just can't get your point across, maybe people here are not getting you. Relax. Try again. (this is hard for me to do, but you might be able to succeed- when you ask a question, next ask the opposite to yourself. See where your discussion leads, and it may strengthen your argument.)
Yes, what a horrible political world we live in, and yet a wonderful self centered world we are welcome to.
A million people march against the start of the Iraq war. Question, and don't dick around, what would be the significance TODAY if NO ONE marched against the war. If you're smart, you'll answer the question, if not you'll avoid it.
Nietzsche is NOT good for most people when ingested improperly or without caution.
And FAULT is not a simple thing. We arrive at social scenerios coming from many many factors. Who's fault is it? Corp or Ourselves. Well it's everyone's. best stay away from Fault in your arguments.
Josh February said:
"Vote for Obama in November, but vote for Nader in safe "blue" states like Calif, NY, Mass, Ill, Washington and in safe "red" states."
Best idea yet.
Wow. OK, Zinn said it beautifully, yet many comments here don't seem to get it or don't care.
Voting is not THE most important thing in democracy. It is important because if you DONT do it it will be "taken away" through some means, plus it is a MECHANISM for a large group of people to come to a decision. (and be careful when you advocate for direct democracy, great in theory, difficult to keep equitable in practice though well worth the try).
It is what you do THE REST OF THE TIME that is even more important. hell, it's YOUR LIFE! Figure out what your ideals are and then live them, else you will fall to anyone.
And we're not talking about everyone who is reading this to form a PAC, or run for congress. But you can find out where your food is coming from. Or when the next PTA vote is. Or if you are eligable for a union. Or even getting to know your neigbhors. It's not about YOU taking power, it's more about EVERYONE find the small personal areas of their power.
Remember, goverment actually does derive its power from the people (or the people's apathy, fear, anger). Give yourself strength. Help others find theirs. Goverment would have a much harder time against the wishes of the SELFEMPOWERED.
If you want to do more, start organizing. Do what the Republican Revolution, what the Christian Coalition did- just for progressive populist issues.
And I understand if you think that people will never change, that we're all really just selfish and apathetic. It's easy to see as you type fast today. But anything, especially broad positive populist social change takes time. Too much time for people to recognize. Crude example: smoking. So many people are quitting and so many more are demonizing smoking. that is a change, and it din't happen overnight. But it did happen. Why?
I am involved in the indy media movement, debunker. One of the things we do is have a Friday night movie. This is alternative media, of course. We show movies that won't be shown on TV or at the theater.
As snydly points out, politics turns out not to be a straight line. Here on Common Dreams, almost everyone is a liberal or progressive.
At our movies, we get a lot of Ron Paul libertarians. We get people who are convinced that a return to the gold standard would solve all problems.
Why do they come? Because the right is politically involved, just like the left. It is the middle people who don't care.
You think there are fights on this site. Come to one of our movies and listen to the commies argue with the jew haters.
Anyway, I expect that these people will be my comrades if martial law is declared. We have the love of freedom in common.
I consider movie night another way to organize. We have Green Party meetings, but different people come to different things. There are no John Birchers at the Green Party meetings.
Prof Zinn, I am starting to see the political spectrum not as a straight line with two ends far apart, but as a broken circle with the ends closer to each other than to the "center". As such, it might lead one to believe that a co-candidacy of Kucinich and Paul, each pulling their original 10-15% plus independents and seldom-voters, would be viable, non-partisan, against empire, corporate dominance and war.
What thoughts would you have along that line?
Dam I just run across the following. Now I'm scared, reminds me of when Bush first took office. Do you people remember the guy that said something along the lines of the following about Bush. "When I look at you (Bush) I can see that god is finally in control of the white house. People is this really what your wanting from a leader. Is the only thing you care about is the message of hope.
Is Barack Obama the Messiah?
http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/
Will Obama really rise above the swollen head syndrome? All he is preaching is hope and it appears that's all the American people want. I want change, we can no longer afford to wait for it.
Listen how G.W. Bush and all his surrogates prattle on about "free elections" in Iraq and other locales that "bring Democracy" to those peoples. They have no interest in Democracy. Howard Zinn (and others have stated) that elections by themselves do not make a democracy. It is, however, difficult to organize people in a way that effects real change. The Great Depression was the trigger for governmental action because it was so drastic a meltdown. Here it produced the New Deal and in Germany it brought Hitler and eventual global war. Unless there is a major currency collapse and people lose all their money and savings (if they have any)as happened in the Thirties, people won't put their lives on the line to be killed or have their heads busted.
Vote for Obama in November, but vote for Nader in safe "blue" states like Calif, NY, Mass, Ill, Washington and in safe "red" states.
rickster469,
You nailed it on the 7;41am posting and reframed the 'lesser of two evils' syndrome withe the hard spanking or a black eye option. Well said, my friend.
Trollwiththepunches.
Good post. Rather than watch the Academy Awards last night, our Green Party had a productive meeting for the coming elections. A few young fellows joined the Party and want to be active and it was a pleasure to hear what they had to say.
You know it's funny the way democratic act/feel. I really think that if you offered one of them the choice between a hard spanking or a black eye they would pick the lesser of the two options instead of going for a third option of I don't want either one.
Sad isn't it?
Nader shows up every four years like a virus....Professor Zinn advocates bottom up organizing and activism as opposed to just voting at election time as the keys to effective Democracy.
And he is right. Well, what organizing, what bottom-up, grass roots activism, what structure has Ralph created to prepare for his candidacy, his chance to advocate for the American people, these last four years? Or the four before that? Or the four before that? ad infinitum....
From a vacuum, and soon to return!!! Yeahhhh!
McCainNader 2008! And please, NaderLovers-personal insults invited and not responded to, I just like reading them, thank you, mike peters.
Thank you Howard Zinn. I have been amazed at the number of my friends, who know better, uncritically supporting Obama as if he were some kind of Savior. You expressed my sentiments exactly. Voting's ok but let's not be delusional about the outcome when so much is already determined by the elites. The meaningful work takes place outside the electoral context.
debunker February 25th, 2008 7:41 am
"Even if you yourself are able to lead an abstemious and largely media-free existence, 98% of Americans cannot."
I wouldn't go 98%. Out of all the people I know I can only think of two that even has a cable hook up. Most can't afford it.
Most of the people I know can't afford to participate in the IRA & 401(k) system. Most of the people I know feel lucky to have gone on something similar to a vacation once in their lives. Most of the people I know have had their utilities cut of in the last six months. Making a little more money than you needed ended for most of these people when Reagan took office. I remember when you could make a living, not much more though, on minimum wages.
I'm luckier or smarter than most because I didn't follow the frills or the money and concentrated on raising my family and paying off my house. I was there for my kids when they needed a softball coach just to be able to be on a team. I only want the simple life and I could care less about the Joneses down the street. They're too greedy for my liking anyway.
Now I'm in a pickle. I've worked hard all my life, never skipped a day because I was sick of it and I can't even find a job. I can't see where any of the front-runners are going to change that for any of us. In the past when I was unemployed for a time I could readily find odd jobs that would pull me through. I'm having trouble even doing that this time. Times are bad and I can't see how there going to do anything but get worst.
We need drastic change this time and people are so blind to what's really needed. I've given up on the American people. Every time I ask people why they don't support someone like DK or Nader who supports their best interest I get the same old story "well he can't win anyhow." You hear practically the same old thing right here on common dreams "You've got to support the democrats because they're our best hope." Hope doesn't get it done and it's nothing but an excuse for losing. I've seen what voting for the democrats and hoping for the best has done for us in the last thirty years and it has gotten us nowhere.
It seems to me that hope is the democrat's only plan.
Well I think I turned this into a rant. Who knows maybe someone will read it and get the picture.
Thank you Professor Zinn for another fantastic article. This concept of placing a higher value on everyday activism seems to make sense. sit ins? strikes? that all sounds totally groovy and I support it. The only problem--and I think that this is a problem that many Americans face--is organization and limited time. It's clearly not enough to sign online petitions. And yes we should all be out on the street demonstrating and demanding change but the fact is that we need organization and we need it yesterday! How exactly do we organize? There are myriad organizations devoted to specific issues but where is the one place where disaffected liberals and leftists can coalesce into a unified group? If you are a registered Democrat (like myself) clearly this election--which was declared a two-person race by the media early on--is a stark reminder of the utter futility of "changing the system from within."
Out of laziness more than anything I am still registered as a Democrat and have been for years. I think it's high time (for me at least) to do something about that.
I think that joining the Green Party is a perfectly good place to start. The Greens may not be perfect but they do have more traction, numbers and organization than other third parties. Regardless of who you are going to pull the lever for in the general election, change your party affiliation and join the Green Party. Help downballot candidates and work on creating change and building an alternative to Democratic corporatist-militarism. Organize into a bloc that Democrats actually have to woo as opposed to a group within the party they perpetually ignore (witness the complete lack of attention given to Gravel and Kucinich for starters).
And for those Nader bashing incrementalist impurity trolls out there, I'm not necessarily advocating voting for Nader in the general election (though I'm pretty sure I will.) If you have a problem with that then vote for the lesser of two evils in the general if you really think that's the only choice. As Zinn suggests you may have to "support" Obama for the 2 minutes it takes to pull the lever. But in the meantime, do your part to build an organized alternative bloc to a party that couldn't care less about what you believe in.
debunker February 25th, 2008 7:47 am
"Perhaps because they LIKE the existence they lead. They like their house, their SUV, all the junk food they consume, TV/Internet/radio, the vacation they take a couple of times a year. This media-money system is actually congenial to them."
Debunker you make some great points and I agree and disagree with your preceding statement. What I disagree on is these people will actually tell you they like the life their leading then complain that their bored as hell and that there's got to be something better in life. These same people will go to Wal-Mart nearly every day looking for a good deal on junk they don't really need than complain about spending too much time shopping. These same people will complain about how corrupt the MSM is and then sit back and believe every word the MSM feeds them.
I've personally become to believe that these people are slaves to their own inability to think and act independently.
Yeah, its a high tech dark age we have here, but there is much beauty in this mean old world at the same time. Where to strike the balance, with dawn in your eyes, your feet on the tomorrow road with peace turning within someplace between head and heart? I feel like we are a uniquely dangerous time.
I dont think it is possible to really tell the truth about this country in the world and also get elected. Too many are too invested in the American Mythology of its identity. As a nation and as individuals, we are NOT who we think we are and we are collectively defended against seeing the reality. (The Ghost of James Baldwin is at my shoulder now.)
All I can figure out to do where I live is build community across all kinds of identities as much as possible. Try and figure out what our common needs are as people living in a particular region and deal with basic things like "food security" and hope the bees show up. Identify issues that affect the most people and build alliances to address those needs and in the process get to know "the stranger", "the enemy", "the other" and the old fashion idea of "the common good". Let the organizing be our deeper education about our diverse humanity and dispell the bigotted sterotypes that we hold about one another.
Hopefully we will discover that we dont need to MAKE connection, but rather we need to RECOGNIZE the connection that already exist because we share the same Creation... made of the same matter, from the same Mater (mother).
A new consciousness must be born for us to survive here. Its a big job and a necessary job. If we think our neighborhoods, religions, politics etc are more important than the Earth that holds us all, I guess we collectively deserve whatever happens to us.
Where ever we are going, we will all go together.
Ticon,
You write, "...people are neither pure nor sacred. And there never was an ideal era, at least not in the real world."
True, but no previous era had upwards of a thousand televison channels; living rooms & bedrooms bedecked with TV sets; the World Wide Web with its billions of web sites; overproduction and overcapacity, such as the kind you see in bookstores and movie rental stores; endless entertainment, and so on. This mediatized world exerts an enormous, perhaps incomprehensible, influence on our collective psyche.
My point of departure is less Nietzsche and more McLuhan, Baudrillard, and Postman.
Go find Thomas de Zengotita's "The Numbing of the American Mind" on the Internet. It touches very well on some of what I'm saying.
One other thought.
In the weeks and months following the Iraq war, literally millions of America protested in hundreds of cities nationwide. Indeed, millions more protested in European cities. All this protesting didn't stop the war, did it?
I think a lot of people already know what's going on in the world. They don't need to be told that American foreign policy is imperialistic, or that the two political parties are the same, etc. The issue may be less one of spreading knowledge than taking the next step and storming the Capitol Building and White House.
Why don't people rebel violently like that?
Perhaps because they LIKE the existence they lead. They like their house, their SUV, all the junk food they consume, TV/Internet/radio, the vacation they take a couple of times a year. This media-money system is actually congenial to them.
This is a point with which a thinker like Chomsky doesn't come to terms. It would force him to question whether people really are cast from the Enlightenment mold.
Debunker, the media has always been contaminated, the only thing to question is exactly how contaminated it is. And our culture has never been pure or sacred. No culture has, for the very simple reason that cultures consist of people and their ideas, and people are neither pure nor sacred. And there never was an ideal era, at least not in the real world.
I'm seeing an incongruity here: you've been talking about going into the future and doing things differently, although you haven't actually explained what you mean by this in any sort of concrete way, but what you use to base your ideas on, Nietzsche and his Beyond Good and Evil, are from a long-ago time that was vastly dissimilar to ours. So you're going back in time to find a way to head into the future, thereby somehow proving that Zinn is wrong, and in your future there's nothing we can do to avert the upcoming catastrophe.
Isn't this exactly what Bush and Co. have done to us all, only with God and the Bible and Armaggeddon, instead of with Nietzsche and Beyond Good and Evil? Telling us that an old book proves that the world is coming to an end and we can't do anything about it? Isn't it?
Rick,
Roughly 50% of American households have some investment in stocks/bonds. A great chunk of that percentage is IRA & 401(k) accounts.
Even if you yourself are able to lead an abstemious and largely media-free existence, 98% of Americans cannot. Most are imprisoned in their living room (TV), their study den (PC), and are also attached to electronic-techno devices (iPhones, iPods, etc.).
Radical,
It's true Nietzsche admired Emerson and even got a few ideas from him, but it's incorrect to say he got "most of his ideas" from him. Other people, like Schopenhauer and Wagner, influenced his thinking as much or more.
Culicomorpha,
A lot of people seem to think we still live in the era of nation-states. The system is globalized, so that it's not accurate to speak of the U.S. as a lone rogue power whose reign is about to end. The rest of the world's powers -- China, Japan, Europe -- still have a great stake in America's prosperity. The economic system is inter-dependent and inter-connected.
Secondly, people like Zinn and Chomsky never bother to explain what an "organizing moment" looks like. When's the last time you tried talking politics with your neighborhood grocer, your pharmacist, the taxicab driver, or an in-law? Haven't you noticed that they're nowhere near as serious about politics as Zinn and Chomsky? They speak loosely about liking this guy or that guy, or express contempt for George Bush, or offer up platitudes. Members of my own family voted for George Bush, are staunchly "pro-life," and read Ann Coulter! I can't even have a conversation with these creeps! So all this talk about "organizing" rings very hollow to me, to say the least.
Or take a look at the comments on this thread. Some are intelligent, some silly, but most diverge rather than converge on various interests and themes. Can you imagine trying to organize the people just on this thread toward a common cause?
Greenpeace, you're right: without hope we'll give up, and if we give up, we'll lose. Guaranteed.
culic: "So again, it gets down to what can be done?"
The FIRST & BEST THING is to realize that not everything is bad about our world. Leftists as a group tend to be too serious and uptight.
-- Right now, as I type, a 20-year-old is getting laid for the first time. Who knows, maybe he's doing it with a hot babe, and her pink lacy underwear is wrapped around his neck.
-- A CEO has just written a check for $10 million to a new art gallery.
-- Someone is emailing a friend a YouTube link of Howard Zinn talking about American history.
-- A chemist has found a gene that is implicated in coronary heart disease, which means a revolutionary new treatment may be available within 5 years.
-- A couple of Stanford University students have come up with a new web application that will bank them millions of dollars.
And so on. Might it be that if you're angry or depressed something may not be right in YOUR life?
nader a great mind
BUT too sad to represent us in gloomy present.
the willful blinded populace applauds the
rabid wolf/ves after the white house We prefer to applaud dishonorable men who represent our corrupt values
we the masses must change our principles
and be less gullible this time.
War designers are ready to give hillary a midnight call with a war script
and she will be ready.
meaning?
Well put by a long standing Sage of our American democratic tradition. However, I think Prof. Zinn could do a little more in terms of endorsing a candidate..even if he were to endorse Nader we would atleast have his well-respected opinion to grapple with. My suspicions is that he will vote for Obama..but after all, the point of his article is to get us to be more self-reliant (don't forget the older sage of Concord, Emerson, whom Nietzsche read and got most of his ideas from...I noticed to posters speaking admirably of the German nihilist..why not first be proud of our own intellectual traditions?!) So it doesn't matter for those of us who have an insight into the over-soul as to which way Howard Zinn votes..but for all those undecided, lost souls..perhaps a Howard Zinn endorsement would help the chances of the candidate with the greatest possibilities for amelioration.
debunker, thanks so much for your posts. As someone who has read McLuhan, Postman, Huxley, Bowers and others, I know full well the direction things are going, and the immensity of the challenge before us. I fundamentally believe voting is a farce, and that something more is necessary, yet I also see the vast forces that are arrayed against any changes in that direction. You are spot-on in many regards.
Yet I think Zinn is identifying the problem properly. What is necessary is direct action, direct involvement. Face to face involvement, unmediated by any technology and with a common collective metaphor to unite behind. The problem for the progressive movement is that the corporate powers, merged with the government in a fascist arrangement, have been vigorously attacking and defusing any collective progressive action for decades.
One of the major factors that differentiates the left from the right is the organizing power of the churches, particularly the Christian churches. One could argue that no other power has been so effective in putting the masses to sleep and distracting them from exercising their real power. That, and the 118 million prescriptions for anti-depressants in 2007. Not quite soma, but good enough.
And it has been my opinion for years that the internet is simply diffusing the energy of a real resistance, diverting it into channels that can: 1) be observed anonymously, 2) analyzed in a coherent manner, and 3) enabling the creation of techniques by 'the powers that be' to diffuse these energies and frustrate them into believing that nothing can be done, in order to divide and paralyze them.
So again, it gets down to what can be done? Frankly, I don't know, but such a system as exists cannot last for long. The seeds of its own destruction are built-in, and I seriously doubt they can be delayed much longer. Probably it will be external forces that will break the back of the system, so to speak, much like the Nazi's in WWII. - The rest of the world is starting to clue into the fact that the US will be perfectly happy to destroy the entire planet, if need be. I have to think that there are greater powers who will stop this from happening. If not, we will all go back to the stone age, and start all over again.
Yes, as Zinn says, there are better candidates this year, although not better in substance (maybe personality).
It's also true, as he says, that the frontrunning Dem candidates both support the status quo. In fact, their voting records are nearly identical.
I guess I just don't see a reason to split hairs. Clinton and Obama's sameness on the issues is close enough to being "no difference" for me.
There is a reason to vote - just not for the Dems and Repugs. Build a third party.
As for ego, how is it that the others have no ego? Come on, enough with the sound bites.
hmoon:
I don't vote to win. I vote my conscience. If I voted to win, I'd not bother voting -- and just let whoever win, win.
Think about it.
"To my mind those who voted for Nader or Bush deserved what they got. The rest of us didn't."
How do you people keep slithering into perfectly good discussions with your never-ending spew about Nader and those who supported him? What possible interest can it serve other than if you are Republican Party plants intending to disrupt and co-opt? I just can't bring myself to believe that progressives are that regressive.
Given the fact that no third or fourth party candidate has any realistic chance of winning the presidency, any vote for one of them means that in a choice between two evils, the major parties, the greater evil usually wins, witness the 2000 election.
If anyone believes that there would have been no significant difference between a Gore Presidency for the past seven years or the disastrous Bush regime, I would like to know what he has been smoking or drinking. To my mind those who voted for Nader or Bush deserved what they got. The rest of us didn't.
Nader's decision to run again means far more harm than
good. Whatever good Nader did in earlier years is going to
be unremembered because of his egotistical belief that his
presidential runs are beneficial and not aiding and abetting disaster.
debunker February 24th, 2008 10:23 pm
"Don't we have big-screen TVs and the latest techno goodies?"
Wish I knew somebody with a big screen TV then I could watch my three or four hours a week in style. Hell if it isn't on the airways I can't watch it. I think I get seven channels. If it wasn't for PBS I probably wouldn't even watch TV. I own a seven-year-old computer that I'm starting to have problems with. Luckily I know how to keep it ticking.
"Don't most of us over the age of 30 own stocks?"
No most people don't own stocks, we know the stock market is one of the biggest rip offs ever pulled on the American people. I know far more people who don't own stocks than I know people who do. Most of us Americans spend our money on necessities not stock.
"Don't many if not most of us work for a big corporation?"
No the big corporations don't employ most of the people. For every person that works for the big corporations you can find ten or more who works for small business.
I actually work hard at staying away from corporate stores. Granted even the locally owned store sell products from the major corporations and I'm forced into supporting them in that way.
Poet
"The only reason things are the way they are is that "we" allow it not that "they" imposed it. Good writing Howard, when are you going to write another book?"
Yes! That's what I've been saying too!
If this is a democracy, then the people rule. If the people won't rule, then it ain't a democracy.
Damn that Howard Zinn, he's always stealing my ideas...
Givepeace,
Thanks for your comments. And just so you know, I made the "jenseits von Gut und Bose" (Nietzsche) leap a long time ago.
Ticon,
I'm not saying that everything is bad today. It surely isn't. I think from the standpoint of meaning, of truth, things are very bad, and I don't see an easy way out.
Perhaps it comes down to this: Is the cultural and media stream as a whole contaminated? Is the ecology of our culture any longer innocent or sacred? Have things changed to such an extent that there's no way back to a meaningful, ideal era? Maybe McLuhan was right when he said people have a rear-view mentality, that they're always thinking 20 or 30 years in the past and can't see what's plainly in front of them.
To debunker:
It is my guess that you have a fondness for Greek Literature. If you remember the story of Pandora's Box, the only thing that remainded in the jar was hope. If ever a gift was given from the Gods, it was hope. When I feel the winds of change blowing, I will know you have looked into the abyss and have moved beyond good and evil. Good luck on your journey.
It's not completely either/or, debunker. There are big corporations and there are BIG corporations. And there are small businesses and people who are self-employed. And some of us have big screen TV's and some of us have small screen TV's and some of us don't have TV's at all. And some of us own stocks and some of us don't. We're all different, but we're all in the same boat.
But is it our fault that we eat fast food and watch stupid TV shows and buy junk we don't need? (What's wrong with Playboy, though? Besides the beautiful women, the magazine often features good, and hard-hitting, political articles.) It is, partly, but we have been deliberately conditioned to think we need those things, and the conditioning hasn't been done by ourselves. We have been trained/conditioned like dogs to think we want what "they" want us to want, and to think we should think the way "they" want us to think.
But we can want what we want, and we can think the way we want to think. And we can own TV's and be more selective in what we watch. We can be more selective who we vote for. We can buy less junk. We can keep on keeping on, and write to our elected "leaders" and protest and not stop. And we can stop listening to people who tell us that there's nothing we can do, because those are the people that "they" want us to listen to.
Goodnight, sir.
"The masses will always need leaders. Be a "superman". Towards the end of his life, even Nietzsche wrapped his arms around the neck of a whipped horse."
:) But there is yet another problem, and that is the super decentralized environment we live in. There is no one space to reach "the masses." No longer a public, just innumerable market demographics: that is what our society is today.
Someone like me needs great, rare minds from which to derive inspiration, but also people who are keen and interested enough to hear what I have to relay. I admit the truly great man -- and Nietzsche surely was one, at least intellectually -- is able to carry on without any inspiration or feedback at all. Looking into the abyss without blinking is how he put it.
To debunker:
You are correct in your analysis about the vast majority of people in America today. We have always had our "bread and circuses". We have also had individuals who, on their own, have found enlightenment. The question still is what to do once you have reached that awakened state. The Buddha chose to help humanity and millions since have been awakened from their slumber. The masses will always need leaders. Be a "superman". Towards the end of his life, even Nietzsche wrapped his arms around the neck of a whipped horse.
"So it's back to saying to heck with it all and grabbing a beer and watching football. Or not. It's still up to us, as Zinn says, and I'd rather try than not."
2 questions:
1. Isn't that what most Americans do now? Say the hell with it?
2. I'm sure you've seen how hard it is for fellow liberals/leftists to agree on something. What makes you think that others are receptive to any kind of serious political message, especially in this day and age, with overworked people, with mass titillation, with people choosing to be separate from others?
Well, the "solemnity" may be appropriate for epic poetry, but the clichés sure as hell aren't. Can you see Homer coming up with this vapid swill?
And what the hell do they mean by "change"?? Do we want "change"? Or is that all we'll be left with after more "ownership society" crap.
Ticonderoga,
I appreciate your replies. What I reject, though, is your us-them dichotomy.
For all the bad talk about corporations, and I don't object to it, don't all of us use their products? Don't we have big-screen TVs and the latest techno goodies? Don't most of us over the age of 30 own stocks? Don't many if not most of us work for a big corporation?
Is it the corporation's fault if we as a society are drunk on hedonism? Does anybody make that young beauty strip into a thong and post a video on YouTube? Does anyone point a gun to the woman who poses for Playboy? Is it the corporation's fault that WE CHOOSE to eat junk food, fill our minds with junk books and gossip, refuse to listen to those who are wise?
The fault lies not in our stars but in ourselves (Shakespeare).
Well, you certainly gave me a very interesting and imaginative response, debunker, but what it boils down to is that you've just said that there's nothing we can do to make positive changes in society, for the very simple reason that the percentage of people in the country who can somehow magically transform their ways of thinking in the way that you describe is probably less than 5%. And you can't change society with less than 5% of its members being able to contribute to the changing.
So it's back to saying to heck with it all and grabbing a beer and watching football. Or not. It's still up to us, as Zinn says, and I'd rather try than not.
And there's one more reason why I think Zinn is right: the powers-that-be, the big corporations and the corrupt politicians, know full well that what they're doing is destroying our civilization, even though they won't admit it. They're no more stupid than are the people on this site, and are, right now, trying to figure out a way to get themselves out of the mess they've created, without losing too much face (which means without losing too much money or too many votes) so what we really need to do is keep on telling them that we won't buy what they have to sell, whether it's products or lies or votes, until they get themselves (and us along with them) out of the mess they've created. And they will, because they know we're right.
I guess that's the best I can do with your thoughts.
Givepeace,
You write, "If you made it out from the dormant state of being asleep, why not help others?"
Short answer: because most people (in America, that is) are not interested in wisdom. Insight cannot compete with American Idol, the Sunday ball game, the young beautiful women in thongs you see on YouTube, the propaganda of network TV, the noise screaming out of the radio, the latest coolest movie, and so on.
As for Buddhism, I've always seen it (I know there are different sects) as mostly an individualistic religion. The Buddha was enlightened because he went off on his own, alone, and found the answers for himself.
You write, "Please for the sake of your soul, do not drink anymore from the cup of nihilism." But what if nihilism is true? What if Friedrich Nietzsche saw the state of modern existence clearer and better than anyone else? We would be turning our back on the truth if we denied the negative state of things on the grounds that such a philosophy is "negative."
To poet,Feb.24,2008,5:17P.M.
i agree with most of what you are saying,however, here are my points of view which differ from Mr. Zinn:
1- there were less people in the 30's than now.
2-people in the 30's had similar backgrounds,could understand their problems better, we are now a country with more than 250 nationalities and different priorities.
3-there was a unifying force that kept them together-hunger and the soup line- now we do not know what is wrong with the country,confusion was created since the early 60's and now it is in full bloom.
4-the lessons learned by the robber barons,of the social fiasco benefitting the working class, had to be eliminated, there is no right to have a decent
job anymore.
5- in the 30's people use the word of mouth, now we do not talk to one another, Orwell's 1984.
Howard:
It is easy to ignore the election madness. If you realize as I'm sure you do, that both Osama and Hillary are but two wheels on the same cart, and that the horse remains the same, then ignoring their journey becomes easy.
Remove yourself from pseudo-intellectual circles, and then you shall, remove yourself from the madness.
Ramsay
Ticonderoga,
You write,
"Debunker, either you're right, or Zinn is.
"If you're right, then why bother discussing this kind of thing at all? Why not just say to hell with it and grab a beer and watch football? Why bother telling us that we have no chance to make a better world?"
Good and fair questions which would require a long and thoughtful reply, which I cannot give here, unfortunately. But two points.
First, I do sign petitions and in the past have made an effort to call congressmen, etc. Anyone who is curious about things who asks for my input, I gladly give it to, but it has been my experience that most people -- even (perhaps especially) educated people -- aren't curious, don't value wisdom, and believe one idea is just as good as the next. Most people in America -- possibly 97 in 100 -- don't like to be lectured at and tend to look upon politics the way sports enthusiasts look at sports.
But no, I think we are at a point in history where in humanistic terms we are looking backward, not forward. This whole media system that we've created destroys meaning and precludes effective citizen action. It benumbs, it stupefies. The changes coming in the future will be mega-technological. In another generation or two we may all be cyborgs or aliens of one kind or another.
Secondly, it IS STILL POSSIBLE to do something, but what we must do is change how we think and express ourselves. We must see the whole media/cultural system monistically and understand that the liberal humanism model -- i.e., that of someone like Zinn or Chomsky -- is deeply flawed and only serves the system. We must NOT communicate the way everybody else does. We must understand the nature of electronic media (for starters you can go read McLuhan's "Understanding Media") and realize that content today is dead, that discourse has lost its luster. Most educators, most editors, most writers have NO CLUE whatsoever about the psychic effects of media. They're as clueless as bloggers.
If you and others renounced the various assumptions you have about the world, developed your own language and thought, and found a way to use your words and ideas to oppose the system, to undermine prevalent notions of things, that would be a very worthwhile endeavor. In any case it would be a very satisfying one.
There is no hope for a meaningful politics. You and everyone else are incarcerated: in the living room with the TV, in the study den with the PC, in a public space inhabited by ghosts, malls, and corporate chain stores.
There you have it. Do what you will with these thoughts.
okiegal February 24th, 2008 8:59 pm
"He gave the Presidency to Bush over Gore."
That's been proven wrong and you know it.
Gore got beat cause he wouldn't stand up and fight for it. If he had of stood up and fought people would have came out of the wood work. I remember when he ceded the election and I thought you little wimp. You want to blame someone for gore losing blame gore.
Nader? Are you guys nuts? That guy is a walking ego machine. Maybe Obama or Clinton can't resolve the world's problems, but Nader only makes them worse. He gave the Presidency to Bush over Gore. Wake up people!
Nader seems to want to hand it to the Republicans. They have put money in his campaign before, they are doing it again.
WAKE UP! Good grief. Nader has lost all credit for any good he did years ago. He is helping with the ruin by feeding his own damn ego. If he really wanted change, he would find another Green Party candidate to run.
But, no, he has to put himself in charge. Puke.
Hank Fur,
You're talking my language. It's way overdue!
John F. Butterfield,
Grover Norquist. A piece of slim if there ever was.
One thing about liberals, they sure can't agree on anything that is workable. ( myself included )
Howard Zinn is one of the finest Americans that ever lived and has an impressive background as a life long progressive activist as well as a teacher. For those of you who haven't read any of Professor Zinn's books, I encourage you to do so. And if you're still curious, Scroll down on the left side of the Common Dreams web site to Free Speech TV, click it and ask them if you can purchase the documentary on Professor Zinn. You'll see what real courage is.
People, if you want change, you HAVE to take the chance and reject the status quo. By continually voting for and subscribing to the agenda of the lessor of two evils, guess what you wind up with?
Ullem, I really liked your post.
Howard Zinn has brought out diehards on all sides, but perhaps that's evidence of a great thinker. Nader has the same effect, bless his heart. I too will vote for him if Hillary manages to steal the nomination. Hey, is this a free country or not? How dare anyone tell me who I should vote for?
Regarding pleasures seekers: pleasure can be enjoyed in it's place, as long as it isn't used to replace other facets of life.
There's a cool article about the popularity of Obama, and I agree with it. I have believed all along that Obama's attraction is not so much his political position, which is to the right of mine, but his ability to energize people, to make them aware of their own power. They do have it, they need to know it and use it. Our dispirited electorate, the half who don't vote, can change our political landscape and throw the rascals out. The only way they can stop us is a lockdown and I don't know if they dare go that far (Bush notwithstanding). The author has stated my observations more fully than I have, and used more space than I am inclined to use in these posts. The link follows:
http://www.miamiherald.com/851/story/429279.html
kathyodat
What does "not taking it anymore" look like? A vote for Obama or Clinton? Yeah, right.
Have you heard of:
SICK OF IT DAY? March 19th.
Can they come to your house and arrest you for staying home? Can they shoot you with rubber bullets, pepper spray or even taser you if they catch you in your back yard, taking a siesta on a work day? Can your boss fire you if on March 19th you have a migraine headache ... all day long, even though it's officially "SICK OF IT DAY"? Can they ship you off to Guantanamo Bay gulag because you told your friends all about "SICK OF IT DAY"? Is it yet illegal to be SICK OF IT?
http://www.sickofitday.org/
"HOW SICK OF IT ARE YOU?" http://www.counterpunch.org/ferner02202008.html
Debunker: If people can not gamble, eat, drink and watch porn, yeah, that will concentrate their minds wonderfully and make them think. Why not? You are right about the American mentality, but being deprived makes you change quickly. There is some hope in the coming economical hard times. Some.
voting for obama?? I would think again.....
http://www.nysun.com/article/71421
http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=27075
Barely human: Exactly. The insults that have been hurled at me make me think exactly the same thing. I feel no need to insult people but others apparently do. It reminds me of behavior behind the wheel. We can say what we want and just scurry away.
To debunker,
It is obvious from your postings that you are an intelligent and well read person. I believe you are the kind of person that Zinn would like to hav