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Echoes of Iraq as Hawks Push for Attack on Iran
Emboldened by President Obama's political struggles, foreign-policy hard-liners are stepping up efforts to press the administration to take a tougher stance -- and perhaps even launch an attack -- on Iran.
Sen. Lindsey Graham's close ally McCain (R-Ariz.) urged Obama to "do something dramatically different" on Iran, by publicly "advocating regime change."
(AP Photo/The Canadian Press, Andrew Vaughan) Some observers see parallels with the successful multiyear campaign for a U.S. invasion of Iraq. "The theoreticians who called for war in Iraq as a way to stop Saddam acquiring weapons of mass destruction are at it again, with the same playbook," Joel Rubin of the liberal National Security Network told The Upshot.
Of course, advocates of an aggressive foreign policy have long talked up the notion of an attack on Iran as a means of preventing the Islamic republic from acquiring a nuclear weapon -- remember Sen. John McCain's "Bomb Iran" performance from the 2008 presidential campaign? But with a weakened president, the effort to promote a military strike is "definitely going into a higher gear" of late, Matthew Duss of the liberal Center for American Progress told The Upshot.
On Saturday, Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, a prominent Republican voice for an aggressive foreign policy, floated the idea of an all-out offensive against President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's regime -- "not to just neutralize their nuclear program, but to sink their navy, destroy their air force and deliver a decisive blow to the Revolutionary Guard. In other words, neuter that regime. Destroy their ability to fight back."
Speaking at an international conference in Halifax, Canada, Graham held out the prospect of Republican support if President Obama goes beyond the administration's current policy of tough economic sanctions.
Graham is not alone. At the same event, his close ally McCain (R-Ariz.) urged Obama to "do something dramatically different" on Iran, by publicly "advocating regime change."
In late September, more than 50 House Republicans, including Minority Leader John Boehner, signed a letter to the president: "We urge you to take whatever action is necessary to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon. All options should be on the table in curbing Iran's nuclear ambitions."
Just days before last week's midterms, Washington Post columnist David Broder raised eyebrows by arguing that Obama should ramp up arms production and create "a showdown with the mullahs" in order to kick-start the U.S. economy and boost his political standing. Versions of Broder's argument had already been made this year two separate times, by neoconservative foreign policy thinkers Elliott Abrams and Daniel Pipes. Abrams was a staffer on President George W. Bush's National Security Council, where he had strongly advocated for the invasion of Iraq. And Pipes, as the founder and director of the conservative Middle East Forum think tank, was also a staunch supporter of the Iraq war.
Obama has consistently advocated a diplomatic approach to dealing with Iran, and he's unlikely to do an about-face. But advocates of a military strike may be playing a longer game. Here again, critics point to the precedent of the Iraq invasion. During the 1990s, a well-connected group of neoconservative foreign policy thinkers, including Weekly Standard Editor Bill Kristol and Richard Perle, who would later chair the Defense Policy Advisory Board in the George W. Bush administration, worked with Republicans in Congress to pass the Iraq Liberation Act, making regime change in Iraq the official policy of the U.S. government. The legislation wasn't aimed at spurring then-President Clinton to launch an invasion -- there was little chance of that. Instead, the idea was to give the goal of regime change long-term momentum and a bipartisan veneer, since the law was signed by a Democratic president. That helped pave the way once the country had a Republican president more likely to sign off on an invasion.
Supporters of the Obama administration's diplomatic approach say that advocates of an Iran invasion are pursuing the same long-term strategy now.:By putting the issue on the table right now, Iran hawks are hoping to limit the president's room to maneuver, and make it easier for a future president to launch a military strike. "Iraq didn't happen in two months," Rubin told The Upshot, noting that it took five years from the passage of the Iraq Liberation Act in 1998 until the 2003 invasion. "So this is the playbook."
Indeed, Marc Lynch of Foreign Policy magazine wrote recently that he's anticipating "some kind of Iran Liberation Act on the horizon" from the GOP Congress.
Duss agreed. "You see them running a very similar game as they ran in the '90s," he said. During that period, Republicans and their allies frustrated many of Clinton's political goals, "then offered [the Iraq Liberation Act] as a way to be bipartisan."
And last week's election results give the hawks more leverage. "After the election, they feel the broader Obama agenda has been rejected," Rubin said. "There's a feeling they may have Obama a bit more on the ropes." And that, in turn, may make the president more willing to move toward the GOP on Iran policy, observers say. "Graham is saying: If [Obama] wants Republican support and bipartisanship, being tougher on Iran would work," according to Rubin.
Starting in January, advocates of a tougher line on Iran will have powerful allies in Congress who could help advance that plan. Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.), a veteran Iran hawk who has downplayed the effectiveness of sanctions, will take over as chairwoman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee.
Rubin, Duss and others who oppose the hawks' escalating rhetoric say there's no doubt that Iran is a genuine threat to world security. But they argue that publicly raising the threat of a military strike is likely to be counterproductive. "Launching a third war in the Middle East against a Muslim country," Rubin wrote in the Jewish Chronicle on Monday, "will increase our vulnerability to terrorist attack, will increase the likelihood that Iran will accelerate its nuclear program, will expose Israel to powerful military attack with unpredictable consequences, will place our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan at risk, will severely harm the Iranian people and will trigger a new oil crisis."
Still, the call for a more aggressive stance is winning support from America's top ally in the Middle East. On Sunday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reportedly told Vice President Joe Biden that Iran must be made to fear a military strike -- a departure from Netanyahu's previous focus on diplomacy as the best counter to Iran's nuclear ambitions.
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Show AllHonestly, the country has a debt that exceeds one trillion dollars, tens of millions of people have no health coverage, infrastructure is falling apart, education clearly isn't working, the defense/Pentagon budget exceeds the national budget of whole countries, and these guys are talking about launching yet another war fiasco! Is there something in the water in Washington that impels this kind of lunatic thinking? As an observer from outside the USA I have to say I am stunned by the way the people of your country take this nonsense, time after time after time. These people are living in an alternate universe, with the narrow vision of ideologues. I don't believe there is a simple answer to the problems of the Middle East, but you can be sure that the solution doesn't lie in more death and destruction.
Progressives need to stand up and make their voices heard, now and loudly. There are more people who want the common good to be the value that drives your nation than there are those who are driven by greed and ideology. What does it take to get some action from the progressive wing - jackboots marching in the streets?
What really fuels this, aside from rah-rah jingoism to play to the macho crowd, is the fact that war is immensely profitable to the major corporations which form the conservative politicians' particular clientele.
This is much less "hawkish" than greedy. The politicians, and their corporate friends, don't care whether the public purse is drained, as long as it's draining into their private hands.
Exactly. Well stated.
We DID that remember the whole GD world protesting the Iraq invasion thing. You need to understand that we progressives don't matter. We have marched, signed petitions and have made countless phone calls. Don't lay the blame of what our government does at our feet. Most people here are sick and tired of the way the US throws it's military at every country it wants. Tired of hearing of countless civilians being slaughtered in our names. We have no say in our government's war crimes. And if you have been watching the internets lately you will see that the FBI or the CIA or any other agency will come down on us hard if we rise up. Those FEMA camps are not a myth. There is already a military unit ready to quash any rebellion we try to make. We are powerless. Tea Party people excempted. They want the US to squash the heathen brown people. So don't blame us!
I think that most Americans like war and want more war. It is a diversion, entertainment, in the same genre as sports competitions. "We win. We're best." Big machines, big explosions, visions of thousands of troops or lines of tanks arrayed and charging forward, that is exciting and a cause of pride. Handsome young men, in smart uniforms, talking about God and country, and the need to"get the job done". That is the American way. We love it and want more. We will only stop when we are really, really, truly, completely bankrupt. National bankruptcy....bring it on. The sooner the better. A war on Iran might just do it.
A war with Iran would certainly do it. I'm hoping for economic collapse sooner, to prevent another war.
You are absolutely right. In Bush, Amerikans got what Amerikans deserve. In their Empire, they see their darkest wishes and visions realized. They are the Empire and the Empire is them.
I realize that economic collapse would hurt a lot of Americans, myself included, but if the continuance of the "economy" leads only to more bombing and killing, then there is no better alternative than collapse.
Bring it own ..... is what Bush said.
If Iran is attacked it could only be with the D Senate and OilyBombers agreement.
We must think and say Peace in order to bolster Peace as much as posible.
The tone of this article is that attacking Iran could in some fantasticgorical way be a viable option.
How sick.
SeriousCit,
You are exaggerating, don't you think? A majority of Americans oppose the war in Afghanistan and a majority oppose war with Iran. If you ask military families what they think, they are much less supportive of American military adventurism than in the past. I do think Americans did enjoy the beginning of the Iraq War--CNN loved to show the bombs going off. But after a few years and a few thousand American lives (note: American, not Iraqi), that war became unpopular. As was posted earlier, there are two forces that impel the US to war: the defense establishment and the Israeli lobby. I do not think the American people have any great desire to go to war.
these last few comments are dead on...we in america, for the longest time have had the illusion that we live in a democracy...one that is 'of', 'by', and 'for' the people...the one word purposely left out of that nice little slogan is the word "rich", as in "rich people"...the top 1%...we are a bonafide plutocracy...and the main reason this country is controlled by the rich is because the MEDIA is controlled by the rich...the media exists to keep EVERYONE honest...whoever owns the media owns the power, and thus the country...
america will be at war with iran within the next 2 years...count on it...99% of us don't want it, but the other 1% does...money talks...
ps...i used to always capitalize "america" when i referred to her in writing...i no longer do.
I think your criticism both harsh and unnecessary. I doubt that mothers like sending their children off to die, I doubt we as a people relish the deaths of others. That the American people are lied to daily, seduced with cheap plastic toys and a lifestyle bought with far too high a cost may be true. That we are as vile and contemptible as you paint us to be seems either really silly or really agendized...Which is it?
Further, and most importantly, I doubt that anyone with your opinion is one that is dedicated to altering the course of this nation.
Americans are hooked on war porn.
Even an ad for a game which is violent enough shows that for many people their inner fun wishes are to blow stuff up and to blow somebody away....anybody....even each other.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ouf9RyA33A
For the USA to fall upon it's own sword and then arise into a better paradigm I'd rather not see it involve war with Iran or anybody, let alone see people suffer or die.
So true here, violent video games are being promoted on television, further desensitizing young people, it's one of the many steps to nurture a war culture like America. Nothing motivates a country to war like having it's citizens angry, aggressive and fearful.
I don't think most Americans like war and want more war; certainly not myself nor anyone I know personally. We are constantly being told what most Americans want or feel or do or don't do and it's all propaganda bunk! We don't hear from "most" Americans on anything - we are presented a media picture and then told and made to feel that if we don't emulate this behavior then we are traitors or at the very least not real Americans. It would help for people, including well-meaning progressives to stop labeling most Americans as anything. It's not real and it's not provable. The vast majority, guaranteed, has no say, if they speak at all, in whether there is war or no war. And when they do speak up, it is ignored if it doesn't follow the script.
"Honestly, the country has a debt that exceeds one trillion dollars, ...."
So what? Here we go round two eliminations of another "Axis of Evil." This time the "Final Solution" will include the long and agonizing Middle East stalemates: Iran and Palestine. Sit back and relax the show is about to begin with Ringmaster Obama the Teleprompter. Congratulation! Our debt will now exceed many time over the one trillion dollars.
>>Honestly, the country has a debt that exceeds one trillion dollars
The deficit is over 1 trillion.
The debt is over 14 trillion. The USA is bankrupt which is why it is printing up dollars as fast as the presses can operate and trying to use these dollars to buy assets in foreign countries.
Those countries do NOT want to sell their resources and Corporations in return for worthless US dollars and the USA refuses to allow THOSE Countries to invest in the USA.
It going to get a lot worse before it gets better. A WHOLE lot worse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P1fihT5B7o
The US is claiming the rest of the world should bail out the USA by turning over their resources and assets to the empire and demanding that China and Russia finance the US war machine.
The Jackboots are marching in the Telecommunication systems.
Dle, I compliment you on your comments on the US it's foreign policy and it's citizens. I'll try and be brief. Revisit the now classic film "Network" where the head CEO (You can go to youtube and request Mr. Beal and boardroom scene) takes Mr. Beal into the empty boardroom and delivers a hell fire tiraid that essentially says: "There is no USA, no Soviet Union, no China or France. There is just IBM, Exon, BP, Halliburton, (I'm adding whatever comes to mind here) Goldman Sacks and BP. Everyone is checking their portfolio's and looking at the bottom line (again very loosely stated as I haven't scene the film in years). We all have a greater or smaller share in this giant holding company. So shut the fuck up about all this nationalism crap and get in line with your small part (as mouthpiece to the CORPORATION) and do it's bidding."
Because the US is so isolated in it's contact with other nations, languages, history, ideas and thoughts it is easily brainwashed by the unchecked consolidation of the media that has happened in the last 30 years. We have been involved as late interer's in the two world wars that were not fought on our soil and thus where able to leap substantially ahead economically of all the other battered and defeated nations. Because we have not tasted it and survived it on our soil we are extremely fearful of foreign attack which was almost nonexistent because of our protection from the two vast oceans that parallel our east and west borders. This isolation which previously had been our strength has with the mass propaganda of consolidated media now become our Achilles heel. Particularly after Sept 11, 2001 we have become extremely vulnerable to fear mongering.
Given this scenario the transnational corporations our using our fear and through the insane Military/industrial/congressional/media complex to seek word domination for their own ego domination hegemonic fantasies. Of course my now worn out bumper sticker that stated: "What's our oil doing under their soil" is very relevant because somehow our beloved christian god gave the Moslem more oil then we have. So it is up to the christian/jewish neocons to set this mistake right as god certainly intended these lands to be christian if not jewish when he laid out the whole scheme in the bible. We simply have to bring it up to date.
These people are way beyond ordinary nationalism and morality. They have little concern for countries or the common man who are all just considered expendable pawns in the end game of who will be crowned king. They have incredible wealth and can move anywhere. I'm sure their is some billionaire who now lives mostly on his jet just like crazy Howard Huges lived in a hotel in Vages. When they tried to throw him out he bought up half the strip.
Remember in the 80's when corporate raiders would have a forced (leveraged) buyout of sound but undervalued companies then skin them to the bones selling off various parts of the carcass for profit? Well this is what's happening to whole countries now. If your country has through generations of work,toil, education, and sound investment in a viable society with substantial middle class wealth then it will be ripe for attack by the predatory transnational's who will swoop down like a giant teradactle and pick your newly immerged country to the bones.
Just wait as it's coming to your town. Look for consolidation of the media as first blood.
"As an observer from outside the USA I have to say I am stunned by the way the people of your country take this nonsense, time after time after time."
What you have to remember is that Americans are afraid. We may be the most fearful people in the world. The result of the last election is a small example of that, actually.
Anytime you don't understand how Americans can tolerate such things (and not all of us do, of course), just remember Grenada and how Ronald Reagan frightened Americans with it. Fear. It works.
The "thing in the water in Washington that impels this kind of lunatic thinking" is the brain-cancerous virus which triggers the reaction that "if my insane barbarity against you inflicts more damage on you than it does on me, then I am relatively better off". That's what the murderous General in Washington meant when he said, around the time of the invasions of Afghanistan and later Iraq :" My God is stronger than your God".
“What does it take to get some action from the progressive wing”? Good question, dle. I would say, (1) a strong charismatic leader, and (2) Unity. We have a number of organizations like Backbone, PPI, Our Future, Move On, etc. But, they lack strong leadership, and unity. We have some good spoke persons, like Bill Moyer and Rob’t Reich, but they are journalists not leaders. We have charismatic leaders like Ted Turner, but he is out of touch and too comfortable. The people themselves are complacent, discouraged, and down trodden. The opposition is strong, cunning, wealthy, organized and somewhat united. We thought Obama might be that leader -- what a laugh that was.
I would say that now, our only hope is for the Republicans to do something really stupid like starting another war and pissing-off the rest of the world, for something to change. I hope the Tea Party got what they wanted.
Furthermore to quote from Martin Luther King:
"A time comes when silence is betrayal. We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy, for no document from human hands can make these humans any less our brothers and sisters."
Most of the money for the quantitative easing program in the US, is cycled back to the US government as it creates more US Treasury bonds to pay for its wars.
The entire global financial crisis, the defrauding of the American people and the world, could have as well been engineered to help the US to keep pushing its currency at the world, and pay for more aggressive military actions.
QE-2 props up the stock market which in turn supports the portfolio of the federal reserve. If the market crashes the Fed goes down with it. That's why the PPT has been in place since Clinton. The wars are just a big bonus.
What is QE-2 and PPT ?
QE-2 is quantitive easing two. This is the US Fed printing up dollars to give to the banks. They claim this to stimulate the economy when in fact it being used by those banks to buy up coporations, assets and currencies in other countries.
The United States Government in effect is trying to save its own economy by the takeover of every other economy.
PPT is the "Plunge Protection team" I do believe this was started under The Reagan administration via executive order. This after the Carsh of the Stock Markets that happened during his term.
The PPT is a Goverment Agency that steps in and uses taxpayer dollars to buy stocks anytime it appears there will be a Crash in the markets. They do thise to give the illusion of stability so as to ensure there no market panic which would wipe out the paper assets of the Billionaires.
It has also been suggested that the US Government manipulates the Silver and Gold markets deliberating selling off "paper gold and silver" so as to supress Gold and Silver prices when it appears the world is moving out of the US dollar to Gold and Silver.
"Paper Gold and Silver" is exactly what it says. For every ounze of Gold and silver in existence there exists 10 and 20 times more "Certificates" for the same sold by the financial system to investors. There is no spoosible way these Certificates could ever be redemmed for silver and Gold however by buying and selling certificates rather then "The real thing" the price of Gold and silver is manipulated.
At the heart of this "Financial system" built by the Capitalists is a Con game and a massive fraud. Everything the system "Values" in fact has no "Value" other then what is "perceived". The perception of "value" is forced upon the population via "property rights" and the war machine.
Thanks ,very good, so that was the "Plunger Protection Team"
Oh my lord a financial scheme created by Art Crumb and Rube Goldberg!
Iran is in no way 'a genuine threat to world security.' This is total bunk, but Israel and its one ally in the world, the U.S.A., are! These so-called peaceful ilk, Rubin, Duss et al. argue that "...launching a third war in the Middle East against a Muslim country, will increase our vulnerability to terrorist attack, will increase the likelihood that Iran will accelerate its nuclear program, will expose Israel to powerful military attack with unpredictable consequences, will place our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan at risk, will severely harm the Iranian people and will trigger a new oil crisis."
It will also kill millions of Iranians of all ages and destroy another country. Israel and the U.S. will deserve everything they get as a consequence. Instead, why don't they pay for the land, water and oil that they are trying to steal from Muslims?
Because there is no honor in buying something that you can steal. Unless it's a politician, of course.
Addendum: Attacking another people in an unprovoked assault is a crime against humanity. We all have the same Mother. We are therefore all brothers and sisters.
Western policy against Iran is fundamentally misconceibed. Iran actively helped the USA post-9/11, only to be rewarded with Bush's ludicrous "Axis of Evil" speech. US and UK policy is to view military action as a distinct possibility if not quite a full-on preference, totally ignoring the history of our troubled relationship with Iran - from Britain's seizure of Iran's oil in the D-Arcy concession of 1901 to the USA's overthrow of the Iranian democracy that thrived following the Second World War via a sponsored coup d'etat and the authoritarian rule of the Shah. Another attack is unjustifiable and only harm will come of it.
Some more on the history of this here:
http://viridislumen.blogspot.com/2010/11/why-do-they-hate-us-so-much.html
Here we go again! No doubt, the people of Iran will greet us with garlands of flowers
and cheers after we attack them, kill thousands of civilians and destroy their infrastructure.
Is there no end to our vicious militarism, our crimes against humanity? Apparently not.
Jim Shea
Why don't they just nuke the whole Middle East and get it over with. Then they can make the whole area a big open pit mine.
We already interfered with Iran's affairs when we overthrew Mossadeq and installed the Shah. You can see how well that worked out.
Well maybe McCain will get his egregious wish....bomb,bomb,bomb,Iran. McCain says we need regime change in Iran, no John, we need regime change in the good old U.S.A. to save us from all the psycho's like YOU!
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Amen, Brother,,,,,,,,,,McCain is an insane old politician. He and the rest of the NeoCons are dead set on destroying the United States of America. While the nation sleeps, these mad men/women are about to plunge the U.S.A. into one, or two more Middle Eastern Wars.
Give McCain, Bush, and Cheney rifles; and drop them into Iran, or Iraq, or Afghanistan, or Pakistan.........that would be a good start.
Bring ALL of troops home from the Middle East,,,,,,,,,,,NOW,,,,,,,,,//
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Will it looks like everybody is for the next war but the military.
Its them politicians who wanna look tough on terror.
What would Sarah Palin do?
Sorry.... bad thoughts.
This is just the right wing trying to distract us from the disaster that they have and will continue to bring on our country. Recall that Bush was convinced that wars help the economy. Anybody buying that one any more?
When Bush said 'the economy' he meant the profits of the wealthy. Wars do help that economy, at least for a while.
These animals are not "hawks", they're vultures.
"Ghandighost"
Vultures do a good deal of cleaning up after others.
These people are not hawks and they are not vultures.
They are more like the fleas which spread the bubonic plague, although I am also being unfair to blood-sucking fleas.
Yes. Fleas. They're very hard to get rid of too.
When Bushs' ratings were in the toilet he embraced war, any war, anywhere, in order to become a war time president and advance the "unitary executive". And we let him.
Obama's ratings are fast approaching the toilet........
The parasites and vultures are circling again. The war pigs and parasites have been looking for a new bloodbath in which to make obscene profits for awhile now. The trillions from Iraq, Afghanistan etc. were not near enough.
As others have noted, this may be a great time to trot out the old mushroom cloud scare tactics and launch a new war to distract folks from the economic collapse.
And it's great for business: the MIC will be thrilled, the Corporate Media will be salivating with anticipation, and the political whores will be busy shilling for their puppet- masters. That makes for some great entertainment folks.
Meanwhile, at midnight last night, the new and very realistic video game "Call of Duty, Black Ops" was released and apparently broke all sales records for video games.
An Orwellian dystopian nightmare seems to be developing very steadily
"This war is but one example. It is unjustified, fought from habit, to keep certain groups in power; to reap wealth for those already wealthy, and to play the game of counsil. And the cost! Thousands of lives are wasted each year, the lives of those who are the Empire's own citizens.
the Empire is a cannibal devouring its own people."--Raymons E Feist.
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oh yes, socialist, the empire is like a crazed monster devouring everything in its path. i prefer to call this demon of pure evil a vampire.
vultures on the other hand perform a needed clean-up service!
You said canibal...I'm wondering if that is why we have so many Zombie, Humans eating Humans, movies ? I am very perplexed lately wondering why, we have so many movies that we are eating each other...I think that is sick ! It just seems there are too many movies with us eating each other ,I don't like it !
"hummingbird"
I posted above, but later, a similar assessment.
You hummingbirds are truly fast.
It must be awful, having only one solution (military action) in response to complex problems like ideological differences, material resource scarcity, economic uncertainty. If it weren't for the power they wield, I would be tempted to pity the hawks and their narrow, colorless existence.
It's doubtful that they'll just up and attack Iran. If we look at the Afghanistan and Iraq invasions, it seems likely they'll try to manufacture a specific pretext. Another anthrax attack (widely blamed on "al Qaeda" and Iraq in October 2001 until it could no longer be denied that it came from within the US military-industrial complex) or another 9/11, in which attempts were made to implicate both Afghanistan and Iraq (again, unconvincingly for those with critical faculties, and again a trail leading to the MIC). So get ready for a false flag event of some kind. According to Seymour Hersh this was already discussed at some length in Washington a couple of years ago...
http://www.jwharrison.com/blog/2008/08/01/seymour-hersh-cheneys-plan-to-provoke-a-war-with-iran/