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Civilian Casualties Soar; Key Afghan Metric Headed In Wrong Direction
Civilian deaths in Afghanistan climbed in 2009 to their highest number since the fall of the Taliban, the United Nations says in a recent report.
Gen. Stanley McChrystal gives congressional testimony in 2009. The rising number of innocent Afghan casualties constitutes a major failure for the American forces if judged by the standards set out by General Stanley McChrystal in the summer of 2009, when he gave this testimony. The rising number of innocent Afghan casualties constitutes a major
failure for the American forces if judged by the standards set out by
General Stanley McChrystal in the summer of 2009, when he testified
before Congress.
American success in Afghanistan should be measured by "the number of Afghans shielded from violence," not the number of enemy fighters killed, he said at the time.
That's a reasonable measure, since no matter who's actually causing the violence, the people hold the coalition forces and central government responsible -- as veteran combat reporter David Wood wrote on Friday for Politics Daily.
According to the UN report, it is the Taliban that is killing more and more civilians. Civilian deaths at the hands of American-led forces actually declined dramatically last year. But as Wood wrote, "the perception among most Afghans is that the United States is responsible when Afghans are killed."
The United Nations report also expressed dismay about the conscious American strategy to bring the battle to populated areas. The reported stated that the UN "has highlighted concerns in numerous reports, briefings, and dialogue with ISAF [International Security Assistance Force] on the issue of the location of military facilities within or near areas where civilians are concentrated. The presence of IM [international military] bases in residential areas continues to be a major concern. This runs counter to international humanitarian law principles designed to protect the civilian population against the dangers arising from military operations," reads the report.
"When military bases are established in or near residential areas -- in either urban or rural areas -- this is an additional security threat given the high likelihood of attacks by armed groups or from retaliatory activities by IM forces. The presence of IM bases can generate hostility amongst the civilian population, particularly if civilian casualties arise as a result of their presence."
So why did the military move into populated areas, which would most likely increase civilian deaths?
"In order to protect the population you have to be with the population, not just rolling out on patrols from heavily fortified bases outside of town," Geoff Morrell, deputy assistant secretary of Defense, told HuffPost.
But that is a misreading of the reality on the ground in Afghanistan, said Matthew Hoh, a former foreign service officer who resigned in the fall, objecting to the course of Afghan war strategy.
"I think, unfortunately, what it is is: 'This is what worked in Iraq. This is what counterinsurgency strategy kind of dictates. This is what we're going to do.' In Iraq and Afghanistan, it's not the same," he told HuffPost.
The key difference, he said, is that in Iraq, the government under Saddam Hussein, followed by the U.S. occupation forces, exerted control over much of the country. "Then we turn over the country very rapidly in June of 2004 before that government there is ready to assume responsibility," said Hoh. The U.S. surge helped to reassert that authority, to fill that vacuum.
In rural Afghanistan, however, the situation is much different. For centuries, there has been no central authority that governed the villages, so there's no vacuum to fill. The movement of the war into the villages, therefore, brings more insecurity than it does security.
"Nobody wants that in their backyard," he said. "For many of the rural Afghans, it's just a problem that they don't want. They just want to be left in peace. They don't want the Taliban to rule them, either. They don't want to be ruled by these other Pashtuns who come from other valleys. They want to rule themselves."
The U.S. military, ever since McChrystal took command in mid0-2009, has worked to reduce casualties resulting from airstrikes.
"Fundamentally, General McChrystal's objective here is to protect the population and continue to enjoy their trust and confidence," said Morrell. "Where we have inadvertently killed civilians, and although clearly that was not our intent, the mere fact it was happening was working against us."
The military is much more careful about what and whom it bombs, said Morrell, saying that they have "very much restricted the use of close air support."
Accidentally killing fewer civilians is a good thing, both morally and strategically, said Hoh, but nine years in, it's getting late. Hoh said that in the four eastern provinces where Hoh worked, coalition forces dropped a half-million pounds of bombs and fired 50,000 rounds of mortar and artillery fire, while spending more than $150 million on reconstruction. Yet the population, he said, was still in rebellion.
"So after eight years at war, if in a population of four, four-and-a-half million that's desperately poor, you're spending that kind of money, you're dropping that many bombs, and no one's coming around to your side, that shows that people's minds are pretty much made up already," he said.
WATCH McChrystal lay out his definition of success:
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Show AllWhat are the social, moral and economic casualties being inflicted of us and our children by these never ending corporate war crimes?
USA using Afghans as human shields.
Every Afghan killed is innocent because it is innocent to protect your nation from invaders.
We need to capture the lexicon and consistently refer to these as the "OIL WARS"
I have big money on that term being the Historical Reference term.
Jeevee
"Every Afghan killed is innocent because it is innocent to protect your nation from invaders." WAKE UP, AMERICA, FROM THE UNUTTERABLE NIGHTMARE WE ARE INFLICTING ON THE PLANET!!
mc killer is a war criminal from way back in baghdad, so it's no surprise that the civilian causalties are increasing in afghanistan. notice the young dark girls in the pastel colors just behind him. those images are pure media manipulataion, meant to soften his image, make him and his ominous messages ring less threatening, and to project the innocence of babes onto a visage spewing lies into the camera. the pentagon has spent tens of millions of dollars with public relations firms to teach the likes of patraeus and mckiller to come across in the visual medium as good ol' boys, servicemen just out to do their country proud. meanwhile, they leak classified documents, prevent red cross visits to their torture camps, and lie to the tillman family. funny how the media quit talking about the tillman family when his relatives revealed that the army had burnt all his belongings and that pat had sought the counsel of one noam chomsky, the learned professor with whom pat wished to discuss his own anti-war views. but, some things are just off limits, you just can't go there, as we perennially hail our vaunted and creaky and increasingly third world country as the "last, best, hope of mankind".
Thanks for the observation on media manipulation.
It is also interesting to notice that most images of McCrystal are without glasses, but here, he is wearing glasses, presumably to vindicate a learned and academic appearance, in addition to the medals that vindicate blood-thirsty success in battle.
in tribal areas families live communally.... when we kill an innocent Afgani it affects 80+ people directly.....
if the same thing happened in America it would affect around 8 people persoanlly....
so for every civilian death we create hatred for the USA in many many people.....
and does anyone believe that the taliban are killing more poeple than the US military?
that's complete BS
too bad we couldn't replace the cia with the cai.... and turn "stones into schools"
Its a mistake ever to take seriously the words that come out of officials' mouths. High level bureaucrats and military commanders are expert at lying to the public and think nothing of doing so all the time. When occasionally an honest, straight-talking official or general appears on the scene we can be grateful for that, but the vast majority are trained to keep the truth from the public.
The fact that these are the OIL WARS is only news to moronic Americans. The inhabitants of that region have been living with this nightmare for almost a century.
RE: "The fact that these are the OIL WARS is only news to moronic Americans." - Justaman
MY COMMENT: It ain't jus' 'bout oil, Justaman! It be 'bout dat good gas, too...'natural gas'..."Texas toot"*...[very loud inhalation]...I'm gettin' high jus' a thinkin' 'bout all dem good ol' gas hydrocarbs from dose "stans" and the Caspian Sea Basin scootin' thru dat pipeline 'cross Afgannystan...[very long, noisy inhalation]...Whoa, who done turn't out da lites? Brrr; it gittin' mitey cold. I feels reel funntG.# sx 04fffffffffffffffffffffffff
* as opposed to "Texas tea" - Granny dun gone skinny dippin' 'gin in duh cement pond! Y'all wont sum possum stew?
Take off our redcoats and come home!
What should we expect when General McMayhem of Death Squad fame was put in charge?
"Civilian Casualties Soar; Key Afghan Metric Headed In Wrong Direction"
The right direction to head is home. Swords to plowshares.
If you don't want needless death then DON'T send soldiers since
that is all they do. Send new business development managers like
the Chinese and cut deals. Oh but wait, that means US oil companies
might actually have to pay for the oil...Never mind...
"According to the UN report, it is the Taliban that is killing more and more civilians. Civilian deaths at the hands of American-led forces actually declined dramatically last year. But as Wood wrote, "the perception among most Afghans is that the United States is responsible when Afghans are killed."
I have no idea whether this is true or a lie. If it is true, I wouldn't be surprised. The point, however, is that this a simple but brutal example of the Tet Offensive strategy from the Vietnam war playbook. The North Vietnamese and the Vietcong took a horrendous beating during the Tet Offensive. But they were willing to take the enormous casualties in order to strike a psychological blow against the United States. It worked. After Tet 1968, the USA was on its way out and Vietnam was a few years away from finally being rid of foreign invaders. The brutal, medieval denizens of the Afghan opposition are not above killing their fellow Afghans and letting the blame fall on the United States which is also doing its own share of indiscriminate killing. McChrystal probably doesn't really care one way or the other because he is the CEO of our Afghan war and firmly believes he is the head of a Fortune 500 company that will be victorious. Obama is just another interchangeable sociopath trying to stay seated on the head of a pin. Our asses are being handed to us in Afghanistan. Obama, like George Wanker Bush, will end his career as a phony motivational speaker cum snake oil peddler selling the moral and political equivalent of cabbage patch dolls, pet rocks and Yakov's Elixir.
Mord 5:51 ---
You fall into the same trap so many others do.
The USA bombs a nation and part of the timeworn propaganda is to demonize and belittle the victims of imperialism.
I would say, if I had to choose, killing with white phosperous, huge bombs and missiles is more brutal than killing with guns and small bombs.
And much of the Afghans medieval culture, in my experience, is or was much more enlightened than much of the garbage of USA modernity.
"demonize and belittle the victims"
A great one is, that Al-Qaeda, has "imperialist plans" to turn America into a Muslim country!
Ever notice when some air-head criticizes somebody, it seems they are criticizing themselves? Pretty Funny! Hey Who's the imperialist here?
Bill 7:45 -------- I guess you are replying to my post, but your confusion makes me unsure.
First calling me an airhead is uncivil and totally ignorant of who I am.
Secondly denying that all imperialistic powers do not demonize and belittle their victims is extremely ignorant.
Thirdly suggesting that the USA is not in Afghanistan for imperial purposes is extremely ignorant.
Fourthly suggesting that the USA invasion and occupation is not primarily a conflict with national resistance Pastun fighters and only incidentally a handfull of al Qaeda is extremely ignorant
Fifthly Al-Qaeda primarily wishes to financially destroy the USA by luring very ignorant USA ans into quagmires as in Afghanistan
Sixthly the USA has an imperial occupation of Afghanistan whereas Al-Qaeda "plans" if serious are pie in the sky plans ( I never referred to Al- Qaeda, perhaps you need to learn that the set and subsets run as follows Afghans,Pashtuns,Taliban, Al Qaeda with only a couple of dozen Afghans being al Qaeda. Have you been comprehending the CD articles and posts?).
Seventhly Afghans are beautiful people who have done nothing to deserve the three decades of murderous USA intervention
Finally I assume your last line is apropos yourself
this and has always been the state of so called civilized humanity. we will
have to evolve more on both a intellectual and emotional level for this to
happen if we make it this far.
obomba otomma doesn't give a hoot as long as his corporate masters make money
regardless of the human crisis and toll on mother earth! there is no compassion
among these monsters money is god.
Jeevee
WE SHOULD ALL DEMAND WITHDRAWAL FROM WAR AND SPEND THE MONEY FOR PROMOTION OF PEACE!!! HOW ABOUT EXPANDING THE PRESENT MISERLY AMOUNT TO HELP HAITI?? IF ONE MILLION OF US SACRIFICE ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS, THINK OF ALL THE HORRIBLE SUFFERING WE CAN AVERT!!!
Ha-ha-ha! How's this for gross incompetence?
"A MOCKED-UP image of how Osama Bin Laden may look today has been withdrawn by the US State Department after the FBI admitted it was partly based on a photograph of a Spanish MP taken from the internet":
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6991299.ece
I am unsure why this came from the FBI but couldn't they get help from the tabloids who are so proficient in Photoshopping two-headed humans with horns and age-morphing Adolf Hitler?
Anyone would think that somebody did not want to find Bin laden?
Thanks for link. It made my day. I got a good laugh at these incompetent fools. Remember, the FBI kept tabs on international terrorists like Martin Luther King and Pete Seeger so lets give them some credit.
- American success in Afghanistan should be measured by "the number of Afghans shielded from violence," -
But of course! Let's see how many Afghans are protected from future terrorism. Count them. When the number reaches X, then we win! (they never will win, that's for sure).
Ah, the number of Afghans protected from future terrorism is going down! We're not winning! (and they never will).
Let's get those numbers up, folks! Can't measure success without a rubric.
What a crock! Am I supposed to believe that the civilian death toll from dropping half million tons of bombs on mud huts will be lower than the death toll from people on the ground with weapons? People trying to defend their country from Blackwater baby killers? Considering there's zero truth coming out of the Pentagon and their media tools, but this is really insulting.
I guess the US military's idea of winning hearts aned minds is to send in our Special Forces (Murder, Inc.), corral a bunch of schoolboys into a room and execute them on the spot. The media initially claimed the dead 11 year old boy and his buddies were Taliban, so all is OK. Or, the valiant troops who shot innocent civilians peacefully protesting the killing of innocent civilians two days before. .
More on the killings: http://www.zcommunications.org/zspace/commentaries/4107
Back in Washington, Obama yawns before his real time touch screen display called "Evil Nations of the World." He closes his eyes, waves one arm around a few times (thinking to himself "and the lucky winner is...") ding! Yemen. He barely gets his scuffy slippers on and the drone launched by some acne faced kid in Nevada is already racing to an impoverished Yemeni village of three hundred people, soon to be two hundred and seventy five. Hours later, General McChrystal wakes Obama from a deep, restful, sleep to congratulate him. No worries, Mr. President. There were a few infants killed, but we believe they were future Al Queda. We found evidence of explosives hidden in their diapers. Yes, sir, they love death more than life.
Heres the logic: everyone we kill is our enemy. If they aren't now, they would have been someday. Nobody cares. They hated us anyway and might try to kill us in the future.
Power mad sociolpaths love killing.
I gag just thinking about the crap they push, and I'm convinced way less people are buying it than we're led to believe. If we got a shred of truth about civilian mass murders and extrajudicial executions via drones, Americans would be sick and the establishment knows it. Despite what the Zionist/Corporate media claims, the American people want these wars to end. But just like everything else, Congress ignores us, robs us, uses us, and laughs at us.
In case any poster still has strength left after railing against the MIC-madness and picking fights with other posters ---
Oil and pipelines are the swag for this pirate's adventure. In the Congo it's precious metals (you do know coltan, yes?) They are not roots of America's aggression. The roots are unseen by most and that's why we're still trapped, 8 years later, by the most nefarious of rooted and rotten laws.
Read paragraph 5 of the President's speech 12/01/09 - here is part -
"Just days after 9/11, Congress authorized the use of force against al Qaeda and those who harbored them – an authorization that continues to this day."
Authorization that continues to this day. That's Public Law 107-40, the law that started the DAFT war, the mechanism that drives it onward and drives us ever closer to the edge of the abyss.
'those who harbor them' -
The President has the authority to wield the US militaries against enemies to be named later.
That's DAFT. We must end it before it ends us.
According to sources, our field generals, commanding generals and Chief of Staff have all read "Three Cups of Tea." At some intellectual level they must know that gratuitously killing civilians is not the way to win the war. And yet when push comes to shove they eagerly do it. Behind all the supposed wisdom about counter insurgency is a blithe assumption that we know who is our friend and who is our enemy when we are ignorant of language, culture, religion and even recent history of that country, and that we can surgically remove the bad guys without killing innocents. The Taliban makes a big mistake in being so repressive and cruel also. We seem to have learned that from reading "Three Cups of Tea" We just can't seem to apply the lesson to ourselves because, because that would mean the we aren't necessarily the good guy in the fight. I predict that whatever side kills the fewest number of innocents will win. With our overwhelming firepower it doesn't look so good for us. Advantage Taliban--unless of course they blow it.
According to sources, our field generals, commanding generals and Chief of Staff have all read "Three Cups of Tea." At some intellectual level they must know that gratuitously killing civilians is not the way to win the war. And yet when push comes to shove they eagerly do it. Behind all the supposed wisdom about counter insurgency is a blithe assumption that we know who is our friend and who is our enemy when we are ignorant of language, culture, religion and even recent history of that country, and that we can surgically remove the bad guys without killing innocents. The Taliban makes a big mistake in being so repressive and cruel also. We seem to have learned that from reading "Three Cups of Tea" We just can't seem to apply the lesson to ourselves because, because that would mean the we aren't necessarily the good guy in the fight. I predict that whatever side kills the fewest number of innocents will win. With our overwhelming firepower it doesn't look so good for us. Advantage Taliban--unless of course they blow it.
Off topic slightly I know but those who remotely control deadly drones ....do THEY read Three Cups of Tea or anything remotely in that vein? I was thinking...dangerous activity I know....I gather we are to contribute $10 million to the rescue effort in Haiti. Laudable one supposes (do I see fine filaments of strings attached??)yet I can hear echos of 'How do we pay for all this foreign aid?'. So....since we know it costs $1million to send a soldier to Aghanistan, lets NOT send 10 soldiers and thereby pay for the Haiti effort. Heck lets NOT send 100,000 and pay for....oh I don't know Universal Health Care?
Must stop thinking!
peace