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CIA Documents Provide Little Cover for Cheney Claims
Documents Fail to Exonerate 'Enhanced Interrogation' Techniques
For months, former Vice President Dick Cheney has said that two documents prepared by the CIA, one from 2004 and the other from 2005, would refute critics of the Bush administration's torture program. He told Fox's Sean Hannity in April:
Recently released CIA documents provide little evidence for Cheney's claims that the "enhanced interrogation" program run by the CIA provided valuable information. In fact, throughout both documents, many passages - though several are incomplete and circumstantial, actually suggest the opposite of Cheney's contention: that non-abusive techniques actually helped elicit some of the most important information the documents cite in defending the value of the CIA's interrogations. (AP photo) "I haven't talked about it, but I know specifically of
reports that I read, that I saw, that lay out what we learned through
the interrogation process and what the consequences were for the
country," Cheney said. "I've now formally asked the CIA to take steps
to declassify those memos so we can lay them out there and the American
people have a chance to see what we obtained and what we learned and
how good the intelligence was."
Those documents were obtained today by The Washington Independent and are available here. Strikingly, they provide little evidence for Cheney's claims that the "enhanced interrogation" program run by the CIA provided valuable information. In fact, throughout both documents, many passages - though several are incomplete and circumstantial, actually suggest the opposite of Cheney's contention: that non-abusive techniques actually helped elicit some of the most important information the documents cite in defending the value of the CIA's interrogations.
The first document, issued by the CIA in July 2004 is about the interrogation of 9/11 architect Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times in March 2003 and whom, the newly released CIA Inspector General report on torture details, had his children's lives threatened by an interrogator. None of that abuse is referred to in the publicly released version of the July 2004 document. Instead, we learn from the July 2004 document that not only did the man known as "KSM" largely provide intelligence about "historical plots" pulled off from al-Qaeda, a fair amount of the knowledge he imparted to his interrogators came from his "rolodex" - that is, what intelligence experts call "pocket litter," or the telling documentation found on someone's person when captured. As well, traditional intelligence work appears to have done wonders - including a fair amount of blundering on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's part:
In response to questions about [al-Qaeda's] efforts to acquire [weapons of mass destruction], [Khalid Sheikh Mohammed] revealed that he had met three individuals involved in [al-Qaeda's] program to produce anthrax. He appears to have calculated, incorrectly, that we had this information already, given that one of the three - Yazid Sufaat - had been in foreign custody for several months.
This is a far cry from torturing Khalid Sheikh Mohammed into revealing such information. It would be tendentious to believe that the torture didn't have any impact on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed - he himself said that he lied to interrogators in order to get the torture to stop - but the document itself doesn't attempt to present a case that the "enhanced interrogation" program was a factor, let alone the determinant factor, in the intelligence bounty the document says he provided.
The second newly released document - a June 2005 overview of information extracted from detainees - is, if anything, more caveated. In making a case that "detainee reporting" was "pivotal for the war against [al-Qaeda]," it says that "detainee reporting is often incomplete or too general to lead directly to arrests; instead, detainees provide critical pieces to the puzzle, which, when combined with other reporting, have helped direct an investigation's focus and led to the capture of terrorists." Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is the prime example here.
The document also discusses unraveling the network of Indonesian al-Qaeda affiliate Hambali after Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's capture. There are repeated references to the value of "debriefings," which the 2004 CIA inspector general's report says are distinct from the "enhanced interrogation techniques" but can be used after they occur. For instance, "Debriefings of mid-level [al-Qaeda] operatives also have reported on specific plots against U.S. interests." Indeed, in a section titled "Aiding Our Understanding [al-Qaeda]," a listed example is:
Abu Zubaydah's identification early in his detention of [Khalid Sheikh Mohammed] as the mastermind of 11 September and [al-Qaeda's] premier terrorist planner and of ‘Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri as another key [al-Qaeda] operational planner corroborated information [REDACTED].
Those revelations, as former Abu Zubaydah interrogator Ali Soufan has testified, came before Abu Zubaydah was tortured.
Similarly, the document contains accounts of how interrogators performed the traditional interrogation labors of cross-checking detainees' accounts with each other to determine veracity, and particularly when cross-referenced with "large volumes of documents and computer data":
For example, lists of names found on the computer [REDACTED] - a key [al-Qaeda] financial operative and facilitator for the 11 September attacks - seized in March 2003 represented [al-Qaeda] members who were to receive funds. Debriefers questioned detainees extensively on the names to determine who they were and how important they were to the organization. The information [REDACTED] helped us to better understand al-Qa'ida's hierarchy, revenues, and expenditures, [REDACTED] as well as funds that were available to families.
Again, perhaps the blacked-out lines of the memos specifically claim and document that torture and only torture yielded this information. But what's released within them does not remotely make that case. Cheney's public account of these documents have conflated the difference between information acquired from detainees, which the documents present, and information acquired from detainees through the enhanced interrogation program, which they don't.
In a statement, Tom Parker, the policy director of Amnesty International's American branch, said, "Perhaps unsurprisingly, given Vice President Cheney's track record, the two CIA memos released today are hardly the slam dunk we had been led to expect. There is little or no supporting evidence in either memo to give substance to the specific claims about impending attacks made by Khaled Shaik Mohammed in highly coercive circumstances."

31 Comments so far
Show AllCheney has endangered American lives for years to come. A fair trial, and then the maximum penalty for treason. Then we can start to claim again that we are a nation that respects the rule of law. The damage Cheney has done to all of us is too great to allow him to slither away back to the dark side where he came from. The detective work has been done. Now, it's up to our judiciary to find the spine to prosecute the real enemies of the state.
How will our so called government ever remove this stigmata of torture in violation of national and international laws and treaties? Who can ever respect America after this.
Hello, do you remember a little thing called Viet Nam? How about all the other little wars ofempire since then and before then.. Nobody has had respect for this country for a long time.
Considering the governing concept of Dick Cheney was to come up with a policy no matter how unprincipled or hair-brained, then come up with "evidence" to support it later; is it really no surprise that the recently released CIA documents provide him no cover? Also, it would not be a surprise if agency bureaucrats, whose employer has come out of this substantially damaged following Cheney's orders, would seek to screw him back now he is on a mission to "protect his legacy."
Lets waterboard Cheney to get the truth out of him!!
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
Someone on Fox late night said that the documents backed up Cheney's position.
How do we reach the people who only listen to this Lie Factory?
As always, live in peace but hate Dick Cheney.
To Spencer Ackerman's concise analysis of the frustratingly redacted, non-smoking gun documentary "proof" that torture has worked to keep America safe since 9/11, there is an additional point to be made.
These recently declassified CIA documents were claimed in several public speeches by Dick Cheney to be evidence that the Bushies' enhanced interrogation techniques had disrupted "over a dozen" specific post-9/11 terrorist attacks, and therefore saved "thousands" of innocent American lives. Read them in PDF format. There is not a single passage in these self-serving documents that even comes close to supporting this critical, particularly grandiose claim of former vice president Cheney.
And, of course, the idea that torture saves innocent lives (the Jack Bauer/Dirty Harry "ticking time bomb" fairy tale scenario) is the core of the neocon torture apologists set up. Drum roll, please. Drop the second shoe. By naively abandoning the torture techniques that successfully kept America safe from the evil doers, Barack Obama becomes morally responsible for the next successful terrorist attack on US soil. That's a given. The blood of these next innocents will be entirely upon the Democrats' hands. Don't say you weren't warned, Main Street America. We can hardly wait to wipe our tears, solemnly give the eulogy, and shriek I told you so.
Dick Cheney has been goading the Obama administration for months to release these super secret, deeply classified CIA reports that would supposedly corroborate the efficacy of the Bush/Cheney interrogation approach once and for all.
Mr. Ackerman is right. If this is the best proof our best spooks could conjure up, then it was a smoke and mirrors PR stunt all along.
Bill from Saginaw
We've all known for years the CIA needed to be dismantled and those who have been covering up their crimes needed to be retired, rhetorically speaking. In fact, under Clinton the talk came from both sides of the aisle and the media was not yet covering up their fantasies. Cheney is one guy who ought to be arrested on the grounds of national security. In fact, the entire previous administration is likely to get the same if they ever do anything close to a fair inquiry. That it is taking so long, is testament to the one party nation we live in and how futile it is to believe Obama will do anything but harmonize what his predecessor determined: follow the Pentagon's orders.
Does it really matter what the CIA documents show or do not show? After all, it's not as if anything is going to be done about it.
You are of course, correct. They may find some low level schmuk, like Lt. Calley, and let him/her be the sacrificial lamb, but the true guilty parties will left alone.
Dick Cheney says that waterboarding is necessary to keep us safe. I would feel much safer if Dick Cheney were waterboarded until his pacemaker sends up smoke signals.
SO WOULD I, HUMBABA, SO WOULD I!
Cheney has long claimed that torture -or whatever euphemism he uses for it -has saved lives and prevented terrorist actions.
Americans will nod their heads, they being fond to indifferent to violence and kept desensitized by generous doses of gratuitous violence through the MSM - TV "news", TV series like 24 hrs, and Hollywood movies.
The churches also nod their heads or, at the least, look away. The religious right thunder their righteous approval. After all, if it saves just one American (important qualification)life, it is worth it. But it didn't -quite the contrary.
What Mr. Cheney doesn't claim, although he well knows it, is of course that torturing suspects has created from the moderate population orders of magnitude more "terrorists", all bent on revenge. By torturing he also knows that he lost a lot of useful information leading to wasted time and lost lives on wild goose chases and groupthink excursions.
This is because physical torture works great for getting pre-written confessions but is next to useless for gaining reliable information regardless of what Hollywood and MSM soaked Jack Bauer aficionados might believe. Ask a professional interrogator (not one of Cheney's goons) -tortured people will say anything.
Reliable information is gained by professional interrogators who use non-torture techniques. Trickery, questions asked from many angles and subtle cues from body language can triangulate the truth. None of this can be derived from physical torture.
Cheney isn't stupid; he knows how to play a crowd of suckers with tales of the ticking bomb nonsense.
He deliberately set about to stir it up and create more terrorists. Think about that one.
CD readers will know why.
Send "Pricky Dick" Cheney to the Hague!
SOMEBODY--ANYBODY TAKE HIM AWAY! LORD WHAT A POMPOUS ASS! AND A SOCIOPATHIC ONE AT THAT!
The only way that litle dick will pay for his crimes is when the US citizens have the intestinal fortitude to make it happen.
Let's not be like the wishy washy Canadians who let their Mulhoody who was Regan's buddy get away with stealing from the Canadian people.
We have a rich history in getting rid of guys who get blow jobs. Can't we make a real psycho pay for real crimes?
Cheney is right beside Hitler if he had the power much longer he would have made sure all the so called 'rights and freedoms' would be null and void. Yorture all of us should be ashamed. We allowed this animal to have two terms. Bush was just a puppet.
Yes, yes, yes! Cheney, Bush and Rove; the "chicken hawks," gang of three...
For those of you who don't know, a "chicken Hawk," is one who was too chicken to serve when they were drafted but can't wait to send our sons and daughters to war--to make themselves and their overlords richer still.
It's all going to come out in the open soon, I hope and Pray, the REAL 9-11 terrorists and anti-Americans's; the Gang of three! Four, including Ashcroft.
Ackerman says,
"they provide little evidence for Cheney's claims . . ."
"non-abusive techniques actually helped elicit some of the most important information . . ."
"perhaps the blacked-out lines of the memos specifically claim and document that torture and only torture yielded this information."
"the two CIA memos released today are hardly the slam dunk we had been led to expect. There is little or no supporting evidence in either memo to give substance to the specific claims about impending attacks made by Khaled Shaik Mohammed in highly coercive circumstances."
All of this suggests to me that the author thinks there's substantiation for Cheney's claims, although he wants us to consider them exaggerated. With limited time, I can only make a note to look into this further when I have more time.
Cheney seems to make the argument that what was legally prohibited was morally permitted. His case for moral justification rests entirely on the evidence. So I find Ackerman's account troubling, because he doesn't say the evidence is a slam-dunk AGAINST Cheney.
He is, and was, a mean, sclerotic and maybe not too bright jerk, either. Ever hear about the time he flunked out of Yale? (That from a classmate.)
Who is to say that they know truthfully that the Democrats have not destroyed ANYTHING to prove his statement. They have called the the citizens of the United States who do no agree with what they want, UN-AMERICAN. That is just the tip of the iceberg. The Democrats are also busing in THEIR people, mainly from organizations such as ACORN to these Townhall meetings to cause a row. I do hope you have seen them getting off school busses goint into the townhall meetings, I have and they are wearing their little id cards saying ACORN. All I can be VERY sure is that we have not been attacked since 9/11-2001 and the Democrats had nothing to do with our safety then! With Congress taking 15% of money alotted to the Pentagon AWAY, and the president wants to cut our Nuclear projects, how are they going to keep us safe?
Dolly1213, you will probably never be safe since you live in fear and in delusion, particularly in light of the many false facts you lace in your response. Your fears have been stoked by those who profit from keeping you angry and misinformed.By the way, we were attacked under a Republican administration, and all the facts show that Bush cared little about terrorism. Read the book by Richard Clarke and get the facts. Good luck to you in your quest for shaking off fear. Peace.
Dolly1213, I have to assume your comment is satire?
Fear is warranted when it is of Cheney and his kind.
"Redacted!?!" Our government can't merely say: Rivised, or, edited; that would be too clear and transparent.
Thanks "Wayout" for one of more constructive comments I've been privileged to read on CD. Is no criticism of your comments, and unsure how I should say this, but is of little use those of us who are so despairingly outraged by Bush, Cheney et al's outrages, endlessly "banging on" about their dastardly deeds. What seems to be needed and assiduously worked on is an effective strategy to collectively/synergisticly go after these evil bastards via due legal process. If you or anyone on CD has any realistic ideas on how we can put together our own "Coalition of the Willing" to pursue them through available legal processes, then I am "all ears".
As you so rightly suggest, Bush, Cheney and their accomplices need to be brought to account via the domestic or international legal system (such as it is), in order to send a clear and unambiguous message and warning to our future leaders(anything less than this, and we are really wasting our collective breath). All efforts to date in this regard appear to have been apparently fruitless and too fragmented.
DownUnder (August 26th, 2009 8:32 am)-- Kevin Zeese and his organizations, VotersForPeace.US and the Velvet Revolution, are solid efforts, as is the work of the ACLU and no doubt many other organizations, including CD, which does an excellent job of posting good articles and allowing free expression. Look up Zeese to learn about truly pragmatic legal work on the problem, beginning with going after law licenses of the architects of the dismantling of the anti-torture law.
What we really need is a prosecutor with the courage to seek indictment of one of the Bush administration officials. I think there are numerous candidates for this. Holder exemplifies the problem of getting any of them to act.
Belated thanks Manning (August 26th, 2009 10.03 am) for enlightening me re those seeking to bring Bush, Cheney and their accomplices to justice. Will closely study the references you provided, to see whether and how I might be able to usefully contribute in this area.
But frankly, I can't see these war criminals and torture enablers ever being brought to justice, as I doubt there are sufficient numbers of us who really care enough. For after all, we have to “move forward” and not “dwell on the past” don’t we. I despairingly hope I am proven wrong. So much more I would like to say, but find it all too depressing.
peacekeepertwo, Cheney is smart man. he knows he will be facing Charges of war Crimes, what better way to build a case for an insanity plea, than to release these documents, then Act like Adolf Hittler at news Conferences.
I look forward to the day when statements like --
"The first document, issued by the CIA in July 2004 is about the interrogation of 9/11 architect Khalid Sheikh Mohammed"
-- are seen as gross simplifications of reality and therefore, no longer appear in print.
Too much data has already been compiled strongly suggesting that 9/11 was "homegrown terror" whereby Khalid Sheikh Mohammed played his alotted part, unknowingly.
If we wish to speak about "architects," we'll need to look more deeply into the shadowy recesses of our very own government and the current level of sophistication in covert operations possessed by our own security services.
For more on this, I invite you to have a look at the customer reviews of the book - Crossing the Rubicon by Michael Ruppert - on Amazon.com.
This investigation is completely upside down...
The cases that need to be followed are the ones where a "suspect" was questioned, cleared on paper, then released, never to be heard from again.
The torture stuff is a red herring.
Can you figure out why?