ACLU: 900,000 Names on US Terror Watch Lists
The FBI now keeps a list of over 900,000 names belonging to known or suspected terrorists, the American Civil Liberties Union said today.
If that number is accurate, it would be an all-time high, exponentially more than the 100,000 names on the list several years ago. But the number needs to be taken with a grain of salt: after all, the ACLU doesn’t keep the list, the FBI does, and the bureau doesn’t generally like to talk about it. (Indeed, the FBI has not yet responded to a request for comment for this post.)
But if the ACLU’s figure isn’t accurate, it’s also unlikely to be off by that much. Last September, the ACLU notes, the Department of Justice’s Inspector General reported the FBI watch list was at 700,000 names, and growing at 20,000 names per month.
The ACLU says they “extrapolated” from those figures to determine the list’s current size. ACLU’s Barry Steinhardt added that the group had spoken privately with people familiar with the watch list, who told them the 900,000 figure was not outlandish.
In the past, The FBI has told ABC News that the size of its watch list is classified. Despite that, both the bureau and the DoJ Inspector General have published the total figure in unclassified reports.
There’s no doubt the FBI’s list is growing: just last June, ABC News reported it was at 509,000 names, based on information in an unclassified FBI budget document.
But strangely, the list may be growing not because of swelling legions of foreign terrorists. Instead, it appears the FBI may be adding tens of thousands of names belonging to U.S. persons it suspects of being domestic terrorists — people who have no known ties to international terrorist organizations.
A separate entity, the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC), keeps a list of all names believed to belong to terrorists linked to international terror groups. That list, which was at 100,000 names in 2003, grew to 465,000 names by last June - but since then has grown only modestly, according to NCTC spokesman Carl Kropf. Today, Kropf said that list stands at roughly 500,000 names. (Unlike the FBI, the NCTC does not maintain that the size of its watch list is classified information.)
The FBI takes that list and adds to it a new collection of names which belong to U.S. persons believed to be domestic terrorists: people who have links to terrorism but not to any international group.
Last June, the NCTC was responsible for putting 465,000 names on the watch list, and the FBI appeared to add an additional 44,000. By September, extrapolating from the DoJ Inspector General’s report, the FBI’s contribution appears to have grown to somewhere north of 200,000 names.
Today - if the ACLU is to be believed - the FBI’s contribution may be as high as 417,000 names. Which would raise a new question: Where are so many domestic terrorists coming from? Or do they simply use more aliases than foreign terrorists?
Update: The FBI responded late Wednesday afternoon. Spokesman Chad Kolton did not dispute the ACLU’s figure, but noted that the watch list contains names, aliases and name variations for individuals. The number of people on the watch list, he said, was around 300,000, and only 5 percent are U.S. persons. Kolton noted that the list is “regularly reviewed for accuracy.” Last year the bureau removed 100,000 records “related to people cleared of any nexus with terrorism,” Kolton said.
© 2007 ABC News
Revisiting the McCarthy Era . .. !!!
I wonder what my “Terror Number” is. I hope its an 8, cause that is my favorite! Oh yea, I don’t have a ‘terror number’ becuase I haven’t travelled by air in over 20 years.
Always the Iceberg principle. What they, the corperate media, only indicates 10% of what’s really going on. 90% is unknown, but you know what that 90% is.
Know that, at the current rate, the “domestic spying list” (lets not use euphamisms like watch list) is most likely upwards of 9 to 10 million if not higher.
This doesn’t include the tracking and data-mining that the Government is conducting on everyday Americans.
Would be nice if the list were publicly available, like most-wanted lists, sexual predator notifications, etc. If these people are genuinely dangerous, the civicly responsible thing to do would be to make the list publicly available, with a description, and list of laws broken.
Or does the list include thought criminals as well?
suspected terrorists, 900,000
suspected presidents, 1
safety in numbers
15 THOUSAND people living INSIDE the U. S. need to be ON something called the TERRORIST WATCH LIST? because they are known to be connected to Terrorist Groups?
… and not ONE of them so much as punches a cop eh?
I would love to see those names. They’re probably model citizens.
That number makes sense when you add up every anti-war, pro- and anti-choice, environmental leader. The ruling class is afraid of them all.
I’ve gotten to the point at which I just assume that myself and everyone I hang out with is on some kind of “list” somewhere in our government; a list that can be used against us whenever it is deemed useful by the powers that be. Just accept the fact that nothing is private anymore and that there is nothing you can do as a citizen except constantly utilize your right to free speech. FTBA!
How much do you want to bet the list includes such “terrorists” as Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Amy Goodman, Pete Seeger, Bruce Springsteen, Cindy Sheehan, Every Air America Host, every officer of MoveOn, PDA, DFA, ACLU, etc., etc., etc.
In other words, every significant political dissident in the U. S., and probably most of the minor ones - including you and me - are probably on it! This is NOT about terrorism. Like the Communist witch hunt of the post WWII era, it’s about quashing dissent and progressive ideas and demands. “Be afraid, be very afraid”, is the message being sent, and it’s being taken to heart by the majority of sheeple.
I wonder how many peaceful protesters are on that list of potential terrorists.
Sometimes putting the word protest in your edit/find does prove shockingly enlightening:
Bill Blaikie: - This drive for new and better anti-terrorism legislation is driven by the legitimate concerns and the legitimate fear that have arisen out of September 11. It arises also out of the motion passed at the United Nations subsequent to September 11 which calls on all nations of the world to implement anti-terrorist legislation and to implement UN conventions with respect to the prevention of terrorism within 90 days. The government is moving to do that. That is a good thing and something which we welcome regardless of what particular concerns we might have about the legislation that is now before us. That is part of the context, i.e., September 11. However, we are not doing this in isolation. Unfortunately we also are considering this legislation in the context of the last few years here in Canada.
What I mean by that is the events that happened, for instance, at the APEC meeting and subsequently in Quebec City. They are on the minds of many people. The government might say that is an entirely different thing. The question is whether or not the bill is designed in such a way to make sure that the kind of protest activities that took place in Vancouver at the APEC meeting, in Windsor at the OAS meeting and in Quebec City at the FTAA meeting will be treated differently from the kind of activity which is addressed in this particular legislation. That is one of the concerns we bring to the table, because we know that it is a concern out there within a certain constituency in the Canadian public.
Pat Martin: - One of the themes that keeps coming up is the possible fear that even if the bill is being put forward with the best of intentions of the Minister of Justice, some of the powers afforded the police or the authorities within the bill could go beyond the original planned purpose and could be exercised with a force greater than anyone would have contemplated in the Chamber, to the detriment of peaceful protesters.
- I, along with my colleagues, participated in Quebec City at the summit of the Americas. We participated in the protests. To reiterate the remarks of our House leader in debate earlier today, he made it quite clear when he said that lawful sounds good, but there were a lot of young people who thought they were engaged in lawful protest in Quebec City way beyond the perimeter who did not challenge the wall or engage in property damage or anything like that. There were people who did participate in other forms of more direct action. How would those activities be characterized under the legislation, perhaps not in the next few months or in the next year, but what about several years from now, or if this legislation is still around, a decade from now? The definition of terrorist activity is of much concern.
Svend Robinson: - These are also very dangerous and difficult times on the domestic front. Thomas Berger wrote an eloquent book on the fundamental rights and freedoms of Canadians. He called it Fragile Freedoms and indeed the freedoms that Canadians have are fragile, particularly those set out in the charter of rights and freedoms.
It is precisely at times such as these that those freedoms are potentially under the greatest assault. We recall during World War I the internment of Canadians of Ukrainian origin, and in World War II the internment of Canadians of Japanese origin and the confiscation of their property.
Of course in 1970, the War Measures Act was invoked and 400 Quebecers were arrested without any evidence, incarcerated for several weeks and then released.
I am very proud of the fact that at the time the NDP was the only party to say “No, this is not acceptable; this is an abuse of power”.
Before we invoke the kinds of sweeping new powers contained in Bill C-36, it is critically important that the government demonstrate to Canadians that the existing powers in legislation accorded to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, to CSIS, to the Communications Security Establishment and to the Canadian armed forces are inadequate to respond to the terrorist threat.
Tuesday, October 16, 2001
http://www2.parl.gc.ca/housechamberbusiness/chambersittings.aspx?Key=2001&View=H&Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=37&Ses=1
I bet my name is on there.
This presidential campaign is about nothing other than gender and race. I am on to how the corporates are enslaving the world.
If my real name isn’t on that list I’ll be quite disappointed. Even if I don’t have any intention to blow something up, It’d be almost an insult not to be so named.
I don’t think the intention to blow up something is what they are worried about, it is about enlightment.
Muslims = 3 million
Under 12 yrs (you kids need to wait): 2.1 million
Net: 900,000
Q.E.D.
I’ve always thought it would be a great idea to start a blog or a website on which the main goal is to get shut down, black listed, or bothered in some significant way by the FBI, CIA, NSA, etc and so on. What would be great is it to document how fast one could make it happen. Then, when that site is taken down, document why and what agency, and then start a new one. On and on it will go. It would be not unlike that organization that goes around and falsely makes oaths to fix environmental problems under the guise of corporate representatives. This would be a way to show just how silly these watch lists are when they include run o’ the mill dissidents like us.
Ohboyohboyohboyohboy! Am I on the list, huh????
truthteller February 28th, 2008 1:00 pm
“In other words, every significant political dissident in the U. S., and probably most of the minor ones - including you and me - are probably on it! This is NOT about terrorism.”
Yup - I would have to agree with truthteller. Here’s a great quote from Bill Moyers, who is probably on the list:
“During the Bolshevik revolution in Russia, Lenin created the Cheka (later the KGB), a secret organization…filled with zealots who terrorized opponents. They made up their own rules, they chose their own missions, and they judged their own operations. You say it can’t happen here? Well, before deciding for sure, let’s look at the history of our secret government.”
Paul Bramscher has the right idea. Making the list public would give much better results. But that’s providing they were REALLY after terrorists.
Oh great the little lists…
Is there a government “Do Not Survey” list?
He’s makin’ a list and checkin’ it twice…
It must be Dubya’s &*^% list.
“I’m going to take your name down!”
Are they banned on the internet?
What about MySpace? Is there a terrorist MySpace list?
How do you get on the list? What happens if you ARE on the list? How do get removed from the list?
How can you PROVE that you aren’t a terrorist?
ezeflyer,
Certainly there are violent/extremist people out there, and we as a nation would be foolish to ignore so-called “sleeper cells”. Perhaps they’ve committed no crime (yet), but there are enough oddities that they warrant being investigated.
But I remain a little confused why the list is so large. Furthermore, I don’t quite see the point in “watching” people. Either they’re suspects guilty of a crime or they are not. If they’ve done something wrong, and are genuinely interested in causing harm to people — then (a) arrest them NOW or at the very least (b) make the list public so communities and private individuals can be on the lookout, take precautions, etc. (as has been done with sexual predators, most-wanted list, etc.).
The secrecy and sheer size of list, coupled with warrantless wiretapping and the modern day digital rejection of the Fourth Amendment, may end up causing more damage to our flailing democrazy than any one person on the list itself?
I’ll bet that 900,000 is an arbitrary figure of less than a million, and nothing more than that. I mean these people can’t keep track of their own email. They’re probably watching everyone, looking for magic words any self-respecting clandestine would just substitute for. Does anyone feel protected?
It would take an awful lot of human manpower to maintain a database of 900,000, keep it current with aliases, addresses, etc. Adding new names, deleting people who have died. And, presumably, once one finds himself on the list, there’s no way to redeem one’s thought crimes and get removed from the list (unlike serving a prison sentence, with a finite start/stop time).
No, for a list that large it would make a lot more sense just to watch everyone. But if they have the capability for that, where did those pesky white house e-mails go to?
“With more than 2.3 million people behind bars at the start of 2008, the United States leads the world in both the number and the percentage of residents it incarcerates, leaving even far more populous China a distant second.”
Which leads to the original “watch” lists - Parole and Probation: “At year end 2006, over 5 million adult men and women were under Federal, State, or local probation or parole jurisdiction.”
That’s over 7.3 million under the direct control of the State, and another million (that the Fed admits to) on secret terrorist watch lists.
Add the 1.5 million volunteer soldiers - they, too, are under direct control of the State - for a grand total of nearly 11 million Americans with a Federal leash around their necks.
Freedom surely is happ’n…
Pesky e-mails indeed!
I’m going to get my passport and try to go to Canada for a visit. See if I’m on some list somewhere. I don’t fly, so I can’t check that list.
It would be great if we could organize a monster visitation to Canada and Mexico. All on one day. Wouldn’t it be neat if about 450,000 of the folks on the list hit the borders all at the same time? Jez, talk about a bureaucratic snarl! I wonder who could organize something like this. I’d be willing to go. It would be fun to just get this stupid government so tied up in knots with their own nonsense. What fun!
Just remember, don’t order a Muslim meal if you have that option. That’s a guaranteed strip search.
As if a terrorist would wave such a red flag.
“Let’s see. I’ll finish my Halal meal then blow the plane up.”
Riiiiigghhtt!
One individual above said he or she hadn’t flown for 20
years, another stated that they didn’t fly, or hadn’t
ever flown.
Don’t try it now! You’re on the list.
Someone that hasn’t flown in 20 years? Suspect.
Someone claims online that they’ve never flown,
suspect.
I mean you’ve got to understand the government’s need
to provide safety and security on Planes, Boats, and
Trains.
A person that hasn’t flown in 20 years? Why would they
want to start now? I find that is veeeeery suspicious &
Suspect.
Jon Stewart really nailed it when he said the government couldn’t connect the dots to prevent 911 so they gathered more dots. Any enemies list with thousands heading into millions of names is something only a lunatic or a committee could seriously collect.
I volunteer to be on it. I always wanted to be part of the fastest growing group in the world. AT LAST I WILL BE POPULAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We’re all on some list. The fear-jerks know who I am, and they can shove it.
Long Live the Constitution!!!
I post political commentary strictly under my real name, out of principle. I’m curious if simply being a loose canon puts one on the list. I’d also like to know if whatever data they have is an accurate characterization, have a chance to make corrections, clarifications, etc. In a hundred years my great-grandchildren will be doing my genealogy, looking at files scratching their heads. So the main point is accuracy.
“I don’t think the intention to blow up something is what they are worried about, it is about enlightment.”
True.
“I post political commentary strictly under my real name, out of principle.”
Yeah, but Paul, you know that the rest of us are only twice removed from where you are. They can trace us.
I think your principle is right, though. I’m sure I wouldn’t have posted some of the bone-headed things I have had I been using my real name. Still, there are just enough idiots out there who might check out my house (it’s happened). Dunno.
iammyself: My own inclination is that free speech is quite safe in the US — possibly the safest in the world. Despite all of my negative rhetoric, I may even wager that our free speech is better off today than at most other points in our own country’s history. But I’m not one to rest on laurels in civil liberties: always push forward.
I have no illusions about being a personality, politician, writer, etc. who (by definition) are out in the public arena. But I think it’s time for ordinary people to come out, as with coffeeshop chatter in previous generations, human-to-human without hiding some ulterior motive.
I get a kick out of political discussions, and consider them more difficult logic exercises than computer programming. Especially since I don’t know whether the person at the other end is a progressive, my neighbor, a co-worker, someone on the other side of the planet, a celebrity, a politician, a spook. You never quite know, even if they do use their real name.
The reason I say our speech is safe isn’t because our laws guarantee it (or may be in the process of being rolled back), but because humor, satire, sarcasm, etc. are alive and kicking in the US. I don’t know if there’s ever been a country which mocked itself as much as ours. It’s terrible that we have so many reasons to do so, but it’s healthy that we ARE able to do it.
Did you ever stop to think about the possibility that almost everyone who posts a comment relating to a political article on “Common Dreams” is a potential member of the FBI Terrorist Watch List? Any given day there are postings that many folk might consider being subversive - - my own included.
Know how to stay off of the list?
First be an Arab, then come to America and over-stay your visa. Then take flying lessons and learn how to fly 757 and 767 airliners. Inform you instructors that you don’t wish to learn how to takeoff or land, but only how to control the airliner once it is airborne and learn where all of the cockpit buttons are. You and your friends will all be allowed to fly on an airliner with no problems.
Fema has accomodations for 900,000+. We may someday meet up with WTF and Brownie.
It would appear that instead of doing good investigative work, the US government has decided to go with a variation of the spray and pray approach.
Paul:
I’m proud of you. You and I, I think, were the only two people on this blog who used their real names when posting. I recently stopped. I had hoped, that by using my real name, I would show others that the empire need not be feared. Well, no on followed, everyone kept using screen names.
Now, if you google my name, you see ten pages of my commondreams posts. At one time I had a political blog, and if you clicked on my name, it would take you to my blog. But to be quite honest, I enjoy the interaction on Common Dreams more, where I can still espouse my political beliefs. And I stopped bloging my own commentary.
So, if you click on my name, it takes you to my website about Green Retirement. Not very political. Using my real name doesn’t make sense anymore. Now I use a screen name.
While I had my political blog, I wrote about the very subject, you just mentioned - political speech, humor and satire.
http://bananatreehotel.com/ramsay/our-funny-constitution/
Humor, satire, sarcasm, etc. Only recently made a comeback. There were some very un-funny years after 9/11 and the Iraq Invasion. There still is a tremendous amount of censorship and self-censorship that takes place in our country.
I hope that in twenty years, when they open up the Stazi ( I mean FBI ) files, that we find our names on the list. The Patriots List.
Ramsay
Eh, I figure I was probably on one or another of Bush’s lists any way. One of my professors back in college made quite a point of telling all her classes each year that anyone who took more than one year of her classes (and yes, I took classes from her every year - even majored in what she taught) would end up with an FBI file due to who she was, where she’d come from and her “known KGB contacts” because the US was convinced that some of the foreigners coming to the college to study agriculture were really KGB operatives. If I’m a threa to this administration, I figure it means I’m still at least a reasonably honest citizen who cares about the Constitution and society not just the wealth of corporations.
That said, I do agree with the others, if this REALLY is about terrorism, why aren’t the names public? Seems like something should be so we can help. After all, we can help find or track lots of other trouble. Or maybe the poster was right that was talking about connecting the dots - if you add enough dots, eventually you have a big blob and don’t need to connect anything…
Did you ever stop to think about the possibility that almost everyone who posts a comment relating to a political article on “Common Dreams” is a potential member of the FBI Terrorist Watch List? Any given day there are postings that many folk might consider being subversive - - my own included.
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They knew me before I knew me. Blackwater is nothing new! They might have had another name but they have been around since the 70’s.
Vaudree, your Government denied entry months ago to Col. Ann
Wright and Medea Benjamin delivering a petition at the invitation of the Canadian Parliament. Seems they were pesky peaceful protesters.
I know I am on that damn bunch of bullshit, McCarthy era ‘List. 1st husband Cuban, 2nd and the last ever, 2 times 2 many, is Muslim and we call Turkey all the time. Not even bringing up my Activism noe the lunch I had on Tuesday with Usama bin L.., I mean with my daughter from Huma in….
Lying, treasonous, murderers, kidnappers, traitors, my Fourth Amendment FW liars, LIARS!!!
Someone said they knew they weren’t on the ‘List’ because they hadn’t flown for 20 years. I hate to tell you this but that there ‘List’ don’t make no never mind if you’ve flown or not. It is what you say here on CD, what you say during your phone coversations and what you purchase, vist or stay while paying via the internet. They have it all.
What I am worried about is when 3/4 of the country voices dissent.
Keep sleeping everyone. Keep sleeping.
http://www.ryanhartman.wordpress.com
What’s next? Cattle-cars and concentration camps?
If these people were serious about protecting us from the threat, and are making us safer with actions at home and abroad — shouldn’t the list be getting smaller?
And, if it’s not getting smaller, does that mean it is swelling with the names of anti-war grandmas whose only sin is honesty and true patriotism?
If there is a legitimate threat, I don’t want federal law enforcement distracted with long lists of Code Pink women and angry young people.
This thing is bad any way you slice it. If these are all legitimate terrorists being added, doesn’t this mean the war in Iraq is a recruiting bonanza as the list is 10x what it was before the war?
There’s no positive spin on this thing.
Mr Bramsher,
Your political nievete is pretty stunning.
Yes, we have freedom of speech - freedom to grumble and complain in private. But no freedom to effectively disseminate dissenting ideas, no freedom for our so-called leaders to even respond to our grevances or even peacably gather in numbers to express those grievances without getting herded into free-speech pens, pepper sprayed, tazered, then completely ignnored by the media and our so-called leaders.
In the words, can we really be said to have freedom of speech when that speech is effectively directed at a brick wall???
Example:
All the mass protests in the run up to the Iraq war in 2003 some of which I helped organize and many of which I attended - ultimately involving millions, elicited only minor back page reporting in our media, and utter silence and disregard from our politicians. But, last year, a mere few 10’s of thousands of Dalit farmers protested in Delhi. PM Singh, and the parliament if india issued a prominent statement that they would address their grievanced the next day. It ended up just being lip-service, but here in the US, even just getting lip service would fill us with joy!
Similar situations have occurred in Mexico.
So, we can conclude that India and Mexico, as a minimum enjoys more freedom of speech than the US.
So, please read Herman and Chomsky’s “Manufacturing Consent”, and the works or Robert McChesny.
Most importantly, you need to see how you can help out with organizing, then attend, the RNC protest on September 1. Ihat will give you an education…
USAn,
I disseminate here, on my blog, in my other essays, etc. That’s a potential WORLD WIDE audience. I can’t help it that millions of Americans would rather watch the Corporate Media. It’s their right. Maybe I should have a bikini-clad girl on it to attract readership?
What’s your theoretical example of a “successful” protest? Wave signs and expect the war to be over, corporate crime to be cleaned up, socio-economic justice, protection of old growth, alternative energy, a dialing back of the military industrial complex? No, there will be no policy changes. There IS no successful deliverable of protest in my analysis.
Far more useful would be to join your Republican, Democrat or Green caucus and change parties from within. A hundred thousand on the streets — useless. A hundred thousand in one state’s Republican caucuses next time around? You might effect real change. Again, protest is one symptom of unrest (among others), it is not where change happens. If I were the Man in the High Castle worried about losing control of the rudder, I’d look at the size/frequency of protests, urban unrest, urban blight, poverty, homelessness, joblessness, hopelessness and verbiage on the internet to gauge whether or not I’m losing ability to govern.
But that’s not the point — much more useful than protest would be to talk to your neighbors, earn their respect and bring more people onboard to progressive and above-board ideals. I see no evidence that protest brings aboard the unconverted, and more evidence that it underscores the wedge between the hardcore activists and the middle-of-the-road majority. Get more people civicly active, engaged, interested in a career in civil service, law enforcement, run for local office, earn the respect of your neighbors through help and hard work. This is the upright backbone of any community I’d care to live in.
It all leaves one to wonder how many of that figure are actually terrorist’s? And how many are the FBI’s idea of a terrorist? How many are people like you and I who blast the administration at every turn? If the FBI isn’t indulging in a little McCarthy era paranoia and seeing a terrorist behind every bush. If a lot of it doesn’t come from mass hysteria and a administration that manipulates the facts to suit it’s own agenda? I am sorry but I don’t have a gram of faith in what our government says anymore.
I’m on the list of people that will be searched every time I fly. Guess I should have not written the letter to the republican paper telling them how stupid they were when they were supporting this illegal war. My husband is a 100% DISABLED Veteran and we both opposed this war from the beginning. When I first noticed the SSS on my airline tickets I asked why and the TSA person said that it was up to the individual airlines who gets searched. I think the terrorists we should watch out for in this country are the politicians that continue to keep us in Iraq.
You do not have to know who is on the list because: “WHEN FASCISM COMES TO AMERICA, IT WILL BE CARRYING THE CROSS AND WRAPPED IN THE FLAG. These are the real terrorists we should all be worrying about!
MEGGA — I agree that the only real terrorists are the one’s making us feel uncomfortable, about having any civil liberty (left).
There was never any real desire to create a no-fly (or search ‘em a lot) list, in order to prevent terror — it is only there to create terror in those who oppose the thugs pulling the strings behind the curtain.
Please do write more and feel good about doing so, as your inalienable rights anf those of the rest of us, are worth it. And more to your own life, and its sincere commitment to caring and acting for justice, please never surrender your vision for a better world and doing those things in accord of that. We easily become swallowed up into parallelizing fear when we stop being the person that we always desired to be.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and courage to stand against the war.
Namaste
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So..with 900,000 people wanting to do something to protest the imperial Corporate Fascist Theocracy..uhhh..how come it is that NOT SO MUCH AS A TELEPHONE POLE HAS BEEN CUT DOWN IN THE US????
Before those of you..”Loyalists” bray about “FBI techniques must be working..” NO..it is NOT that…it is simply this..THERE IS NO THREAT! THE ONLY REAL THREAT TO AMERICAN CITIZENS IS THE FBI AND THE BUDDING SURVIELLANCE SOCIETY THEY AND THE LOYALIST ARMIES ARE DOING ALL THEY CAN TO MAKE A REALITY…
To EMPHASIZE the reality that these..900,000 people are NO threat…and not simply that these 900,000 people are being PREVENTED from revolution…well..PROOF? the PROOF is this:
The DRUG WAR…if they can’t win the drug war..then they can’t win the “war on terror” either..
The ANTHRAX KILLER..uhhh..so…900,000 folks and..uhhh..nobody on that list is responsible for the ANTHRAX THAT GAVE US THE PATRIOT ACT….HMMMMMMMM????
Finally…IED’s…these are NOT difficult to make…and yet..NOT ONE CAR BOMB, BROKEN WINDOW…EVEN BURING BAG OF DOGSHIT…has been used “against” the Corporate Fascist Theocracy yet…NOT ONCE!
They..the Federal BI..LOVE to SET UP LOW RENT MORONS…using DRUG BUST FREAKS AS INFORMANTS..and then TROT EM OUT AS SOME THREAT THAT WAS NARROWLY AVERTED…and yet..they can’t catch a serial killer for 30 years…etc..etc..etc..etc…
THIS IS FASCISM PEOPLE…pure and simple..there is no “THREAT FROM WITHOUT..” the threat is our OWN GOVERNMENT and the LOYALIST FORCES OF ZEALOTS WHO HAVE AN “US V. THEM” MENTALITY AND NOTHING ELSE..AND THUSLY DISMISS THE CONSTITUTION AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS AND YES..EVEN HUMAN RIGHTS TO WAGE A WAR OF ATTRITION AGAINST ONE OF THE LAST “FREE PEOPLES”…THE AMERICAN CITIZEN…
Lastly…STOP PAYING YOUR TAXES..YOU ARE PAYING FOR THIS…PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS..IF YOU ARE REALLY AGAINST ILLEGAL WAR, TORTURE, KIDNAPPING, MURDER, ILLEGAL WIRETAPS..AND ON AND ON AND ON….THEN USE THE ONE, THE LAST REAL “POWER” YOU HAVE LEFT..THE POWER OFTHE PURSE..YOU PAY THE SALLERIES OF THE LOYALIST FORCES..YOU MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO LIVE ANONYMOUS LIVES AS THEY SPY ON YOU AND YOU FINACE THE ARMIES OF MERCENARIES THAT WILL HANG YOU IN THE VILLAGE SQUARE AND RAPE YOUR WIFE…YOU ARE ABOUT TO PAY FOR IT ALL…NEXT MONTH…STOP PAYING THEM TO RUIN YOUR COUNTRY…
FIGHT THE OPPRESSOR!
Sorry, I don’t read shouting blogs.
“The FBI takes that list and adds to it a new collection of names which belong to U.S. persons believed to be domestic terrorists: people who have links to terrorism but not to any international group.”
WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP. This article is straight propaganda. It seems to me I’ve read of a group of Nuns who protest nuclear weaponry by holding vigils outside of nuclear silo facilities as being placed on the terrorist watch list!
“People who have links to terrorism” should in actuality be, “anyone who scares the terrorists that are the US Federal Nuclear Armed Space Dominating Government…”
I sure believe their last bunch of BS too, about aliases being why the terror watch list is so big. Like they wouldn’t have been reporting all along that it’s under 300 thousand, this major media that’s in this disgustingly dust mite crawling bed with these fascists.
Ok jpbreezy propaganda supportist, quelling the masses, if you weren’t just a comment plant propagandist, you’d be worried about being on the watch list for having digitally expressed dissent of these vastly murderous ridiculously techno powerful, submersed in deceiptful living people.
If you weren’t connected to them, you’d have already seen what happens to a persons life once they’ve expressed dissent and knowledge of these people’s heinous crimes.
“How much do you want to bet the list includes such “terrorists” as Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Amy Goodman, Pete Seeger, Bruce Springsteen, Cindy Sheehan, Every Air America Host, every officer of MoveOn, PDA, DFA, ACLU, etc., etc., etc.”
OH No true nothing.
These bunch of sellouts are in the same, population control, financial dominance bed with the rest of the fascists. Don’t be fooled.
Their supposed leftist stance is a dog and pony show so people will sit back and let the corrupted seem to fix the problems. They’re not on the watch list, otherwise they’d raise their voices against it with gusto. Instead they defend a few people that are given some shutup money and nothing significant ever comes of their supposed massive social organization.
The snakes that are these organizations MoveOn, PDA, DFA, ACLU went down as easily as cut off their heads.
The dead snake is quite easy to control. The heads can be bought, placed, threatened, convinced or as a last option terminated and replaced by a doppleganger. Most of them though are not so complicated a plot. They were simply steered into believing the world is overpopulated and there’s nothing they can do but to let the murderers have their way with everybody. It’s pretty easy to recognize the murderers are going to make their lives difficult, and eventually kill them, or their family if they protest.