Clinton Remained Silent As Wal-Mart Fought Unions
In six years as a member of the Wal-Mart board of directors, between 1986 and 1992, Hillary Clinton remained silent as the world’s largest retailer waged a major campaign against labor unions seeking to represent store workers.
Clinton has been endorsed for president by more than a dozen unions, according to her campaign Web site, which omits any reference to her role at Wal-Mart in its detailed biography of her.
Wal-Mart’s anti-union efforts were headed by one of Clinton’s fellow board members, John Tate, a Wal-Mart executive vice president who also served on the board with Clinton for four of her six years.
Tate was fond of repeating, as he did at a managers meeting in 2004 after his retirement, what he said was his favorite phrase, “Labor unions are nothing but blood-sucking parasites living off the productive labor of people who work for a living.”
Wal-Mart says Tate’s comments “were his own and do not reflect Wal-Mart’s views.”
But Wal-Mart founder Sam Walton and other company officials often recounted how they relied on Tate to lead the company’s successful anti-union efforts.
An ABC News analysis of the videotapes of at least four stockholder meetings where Clinton appeared shows she never once rose to defend the role of American labor unions.
The tapes, broadcast this morning on “Good Morning America,” were provided to ABC News from the archives of Flagler Productions, a Lenexa, Kan., company hired by Wal-Mart to record its meetings and events.
A former board member told ABCNews.com that he had no recollection of Clinton defending unions during more than 20 board meetings held in private.
The tapes show Clinton in the role of a loyal company woman. “I’m always proud of Wal-Mart and what we do and the way we do it better than anybody else,” she said at a June 1990 stockholders meeting.
Clinton would not agree to be interviewed on the subject but now says she no longer shares Wal-Mart’s values and believes unions “have been essential to our nation’s success.”
The videotapes do show that Clinton used her role to push for more environmentally friendly policies and better treatment of women.
“We’ve got a very strong-willed young woman on our board now; her name is Hillary,” said Wal-Mart founder Sam Walton at a 1987 stockholders meeting in describing Clinton’s role in pushing for more women to be hired in management positions.
Critics say Clinton’s efforts produced few tangible results, and Wal-Mart is now defending itself in a lawsuit brought by 16 current and former female employees.
“I don’t doubt the sincerity of her efforts, but we don’t see much evidence that conditions for women at Wal-Mart changed much during the late 1980s and early 1990s,” said Joe Sellers, one of the lawyers suing Wal-Mart on behalf of the women.
Wal-Mart declined to comment to ABC News about the lawsuit, but the company has said previously that it is confident it did not discriminate against female employees.
Sen. Clinton has recently sought to distance herself from Wal-Mart.
In a campaign speech last year in New Hampshire, Sen. Clinton said, “Now I know that Wal-Mart’s policies do not reflect the best way of doing business and the values that I think are important in America.”
Her Senate campaign returned a $5,000 contribution from a Wal-Mart Political Action Committee, although ABCNews.com discovered another $20,000 in contributions from Wal-Mart executives and lobbyists.
Clinton spokesperson Howard Wolfson said, “There is no basis to return” the money.
According to the New York Times, Sen. Clinton “maintains close ties to Wal-Mart executives through the Democratic Party and the tightly knit Arkansas business community.” The May 20, 2007 article also reported that her husband, former President Clinton, “speaks frequently to Wal-Mart’s current chief executive, H. Lee Scott Jr.” and held a private dinner at the Clinton’s New York home in July 2006 for him.
President Clinton defended his wife’s role on the Wal-Mart board last week after the issue was raised by Sen. Barack Obama in a CNN debate.
His wife did not try to change the company’s minds about unions, the former Arkansas governor said.
“We lived in a state that had a very weak labor movement, where I always had the endorsement of the labor movement because I did what I could do to make it stronger. She knew there was no way she could change that, not with it headquartered in Arkansas, and she agreed to serve,” President Clinton said.
In a written statement, Clinton spokesperson Wolfson said, “As President, she will fight alongside labor to promote the economic growth of America’s middle class.” He said Clinton strongly believes Wal-Mart workers should be able to unionize and bargain collectively.
He did not directly respond when asked why she did not quit the board over the conpany’s anti-union efforts. “Wal-Mart was Arkansas’s largest employer when Sam Walton asked Sen. Clinton to join the board,” he said. “As the first woman to join Wal-Mart’s board, she worked hard to make it a better corporate citizen.”
In its statement, Wal-Mart described Sen. Clinton as “a valuable contributor” who “pushed us to be a better company.”
Copyright © 2008 ABC News Internet Ventures
Niether Clinton or Obama are frieds of labor. At this point, only the corporate hacks are left in the running.
Jaded I do believe you’re right. However, I believe that Obama beats McCain, whereas Hillary’s presence galvanizes the rabid Republican “All-things-Clinton-are-demon-Spawn” hive-mind.
Good bad or indifferent, running her is just plain stupid. Ego, spinelessness and shortsightedness all combine in the democratic Party to give the repubs the presidency for 4 more years and the possibility of generational damage to the Supreme Court.
Duh.
Hillary … it is precisely for this I never want you as president…ever. You have supported crushing American workers, not just Walmart workers but every US worker that has lost their jobs in manufacturing and everything else that now comes out of China and have succeeded wildly. Your hubby helped massively too with NAFTA.
Now I understand why she never left Bill. They are both alike. And I don’t doubt they had this planned from the beginning. A pretty clever way to get him 4 terms.
Ah, how such human characters abandon much that is good and true in the folly of pursuing public power and 15-seconds of fame.
This candidate thing is something Woodrow Wilson talked about. He said — “a platform is something you run on when seeking office — and then is something you run from once elected.”
Hillary’s platform is so uninspiring — I truly fear how flatland and “business as usual” it really will be should she be elected. If you you notice, so much of her focus is on herself as a candidate — and not shifting the focus to empowering people. She is no champion for empowering others — especially the everyday people. No, she is pedestrian politics and truly typical.
We need visionary leadership that is about igniting and empowering people.
Hillary or Obama, coke or pepsi? For my money they’re both enigmatic politicians and probably up to no good..
Supposedly Hillary Clinton is the can-do executive and Barack Obama is the can-inspire leader and that their policy views are almost indistinguishable. But what are their politics? What do they actually believe in?
Both of them have so hedged their bets or are so maddingly vague or are so small-bore policy-wise as to be meaningless: maybe we’ll get out of Iraq and maybe we’ll leave bases and trainers/Blackwater and the air force stay, maybe we’ll have some sort of health care for America’s uninsured and underinsured and maybe we won’t, perhaps we need to raise taxes or we need to cut taxes, maybe so-called illegal immigrants must return or perhaps they can stay, and their views on how to help stem the foreclosure mess are weak tea.
Compare this to the Republican side of the aisle where the full throated, red meat ideologies of God, war on terror, starve the government, free markets and tax cuts for the rich thrive and rally its supporters: it is this that gives the party its vehemence, its strength. Republicans can put most of their message on a bumper sticker: “Markets work, governments don’t.”
The democrats have no such strong message. It helps explain the tepid campaigns of both Kerry and Gore. Indeed it continues to this day and explains why both Clinton and Obama lack a strong political ideology and just spin their wheels on race, gender, change vs. experience, she’s a liar, he’s a liar issues.
Clinton might have the executive ability to get things done and Obama might have the inspirational leadership to get things done but they both beg the question: what is their forceful, put it on a bumper sticker message of what they want to get done?
You know what the problem is with modern American politics? It’s corporate money driven. As ABSCAM Congressman Ozzie Myers famously remarked, “Money talks, bullshit walks.”; it ought to replace “E pluribus unum” on our currency.
A Disney-owned news outlet profiling Hillary’s service in union-busting Wal-Mart? Hoo boy.
Looks like another “tweedle-dee, tweedle-dum” election.
Which do you prefer, the corporate party that invades for resources, or the corporate party that makes nice-sounding noises and wears a smiley green face, but doesn’t do anything effective?
What would happen if a majority of Americans voted, “None of the above?”
What would happen if a majority of Americans voted, “None of the above?”
A mandate for McCain?
VOTE GRAVEL.
Vote for the National Initiative.
Empower yourselves.
Abolish corporate personhood. And much more.
www.ni4d.org
www.gravel2008.us
Vote Gravel! Oh how I wish! But in this age of celebrity politics, his isn’t even a name. At least with DK people could know he thought he saw a UFO and has a hot wife!
The sad decision is ours, stay home and allow the repubs 4 more years.
Or rather Obama, who can defeat McCain. Any commentary that says there’s no difference is foolish. Neither is desirable, but one is unthinkable.
NO to Hillary. Status Quo is simply NOT good enough any more.
Don’t worry! Look, If Hillary wins against McCain (highly unlikely) then we will deal with it. If Obama wins, we will see what he can do. If McCain wins against Hillary — which looks like the outcome we are headed for — then he can deal with the economic meltdown that is just starting, the war that is never ending. He’ll be in for four years of failure and then we can run Edwards against him… with Obama as a running mate. Hillary will be off the table since she lost to him this time.
We have a great national pastime–dragging Hillary through the mud as if all the other candidates are perfect and will fix all of our problems easily.
So the Repubs all hate her, does anyone realize the reason is that she would get to work and turn this country around and rescue some of the programs that they dismsntled so the rich could amass more money.
drwu__ The Dems have every bit as much to use for slogans as the Repubs, but are so busy trashing their own candidates they are not getting it done. God is just as close to the Dems as to the Repugs and that should be pointed out, as there is more to that than abortion.
How about tax cuts for the rich so our kids can pay off the debt for the rest of their lives?
How about God said do not kill (especially a million people)?
How about starve the government and all of the poor and middle class too?
The Dems should let the Repugs do the mudslinging at our own candidates as that is mostly what they are best at. Of course they wanted Hillary and Obama to be the front runners as they think they can beat either of them, and knew the Dems would be dumb enough to trash them themselves. We will never have the perfect candidate, but we had better unite behind one that stands a chance of election and handling the enormous job.
Please bear in mind that the only positive reason to ride the Hillary-loves-Walmart-hates-unions horse is to get Barack Obama elected. If you use this to elect John McCain or Mitt Romney, you have succeeded in fouling your own beanie.
There are far more voters saving a LOT of money by shopping at Walmart (especially if buying their Great Value and Equate house brands of food and drugstore stuff) than there are voters working there unhappily. Bringing Walmart itself in as an election issue is industrial-strength nonsense, when the real issues are the agencies, the judges, the veto power, the “wars”, health care, social security, taxation errors, the budget and the falling dollar.
Progressives need to know what band is playing, and what tune is being played, before they jump on the wagon.
One more thing. If you want to run Obama instead of Hillary — then this is the time to do some very grass roots work. Forward stories from Common Dreams to friends you know who are leaning towards Hillary that would influence them to lean towards Obama. There are several today that would work. http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/01/31/6746/
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/01/31/6747/
I want to know why ABC chose to blow Hillary’s cover.
kathyodat
I still intend to vote for Dennis Kucinich in November.
Jerryrigged,
Thanks for the reminder here when we have Bill who gave us the answer to labor, NAFTA, defending Hillary, Walmart and Arkansas all in one excuse.
Thanks for cleaning up Arkansas too, Bill.
Re-elect the Clintons Bumper Sicker:
FROM WALMART TO SHAFTA THEY GOT US HERE…8 MORE YEARS!
kernel, study some history. While Hillary was playing “yes woman” on the Wal-Mart board, Obama was a community activist lawyer on the Chicago streets. While Hillary was playing “yes woman” to all Bush’s demands, Obama was persuading unwilling and reluctant police departments, the state legislature and the governor to sign his bill to require videotaping of police interrogations and confessions. Illinois is now the only state with that as a law. So lets talk about who gets things done and who only talks about getting things done.
With Obama, young people feel inspired and optimistic. This country needs that, needs their involvement in politics. They’re willing to take a chance on him and so am I. If I’m wrong, what do I have to lose? Looking at the rest of the field, I already know what I will get, and that includes Hillary.
kathyodat
It’s become very obvious, things will have to get worse (much worse) before they are allowed to get better. It should be asked, ‘who has been right about the state of the world for most of the last 2 decades and who is now being ignored into silence?’ It will be left to those that survive.
kathyodat, I’m with you on that. I voted for him here in Florida last week. We know what Hillary is about and we certainly know what Romney and McCain are about (another hundred years in Iraq?)…
America is dying, my friends. The oil companies are showing record profits. The defense industry is showing record profits. The candidates are showing nothing.
Look, let’s make this real easy, OK? We cannot continue to burn oil. Why? Because it is bankrupting our treasury and threatening life on the planet.
The solution? We cut about $500 billion out of the $1.1 trillion defense budget. That still leaves the US with a defense budget larger than the rest of the world combined! Instead of pouring money into the research and production of new fighter planes and funding more than 730 foreign military bases, we pour those funds into research on cars that don’t burn fossil fuels and we spend that money on research for efficient, low cost solar panels. This research would be done by government employees hired specifically for these purposes. We then make the technology available to private companies to produce consumer products. Either we sell the patents to them or we demand certain affordable pricing when the goods come to market.
The result? We stop importing more than 10 million barrels of oil per day at roughly $100 per barrel. Sound good? And the prices will only get higher over time. Demand for oil in China is skyrocketing. And there’s always peak oil pricing pressures to consider. Our oil addiction is jeopardizing our security and our future.
So, not only could new technology help us stop importing 10 million barrels per day, but it would enable us to stop spewing CO2 into the atmosphere at the rate of 20 million barrels per day. That’s how much oil is burned everyday in the US.
The problem, my friends, be you Democrat or Republican, is that the weeny ass candidates from both major parties are in bed with BIG DEFENSE and BIG OIL. You just will never hear anything real from either major party on this critical issue. That’s just the way it is. Which candidate is willing to call for massive cuts in the defense budget to make the country safer? America will always be less safe having to occupy other countries to secure oil. We will always be less safe when we have to sell our souls to the tyrannical House of Saud to guard our oil sources. We will always be less safe when we gut America’s infrastructure to pay for big defense and big oil. We will always be less safe when we cannot afford quality education, healthcare and a social safety net for those who need it. That’s exactly where we’ve come to today. Do you really believe otherwise?
And so, America continues to die while we play the great campaign game. Obama said this; Clinton said that. It’s all crap, friends. Keep your eye on the real stuff. We need major changes and play-it-safe political parties are not ever going to advocate for them. Until we can make the major parties bend to the people’s will rather than the will of entrenched corporate interests, the minor differences between parties and candidates is little more than illusion … and time is growing very, very short.
There is no need to try to dig up dirt like this on Hillary. Those that are not intelligent enough to know how wrong she is are simply going to dismiss what you tell them anyway. Progressives already know about her and thus won’t be influenced by this information.
The race boils down to Hillary (I’ll tell you whatever gets your vote but won’t do it when I get elected) Clinton, Mitt (Jesus is my co-pilot) Romney, Barack (I don’t know where I’m going but I’m making record time) Obama, and John (It’s funny when I lie to you and I’m going to destroy the whole world if you just give me the chance) McCain. We’re in DEEP trouble unless somehow somebody else can get involved in the race. This two-face rhetoric on Hillary is just old news.
Hillary has a LOT of REAL negative baggage that goes beyond just bashing –
http://www.sonic.net/~taryfast/Hillary.html
Obama is lesser of 2 evils.
If there’s any doubt about Clinton family integrity, check the NYT today about Bill’s arm-twisting at the expense of US (and his wife’s) policies and to fill the clinton family coffers.
Hopefully, women complaining about sexist treatment of Billary will explore ALL her credentials as loyal Bush supporter on war and other anti-Democratic measures.
Anyone opening shop with equipment to hone the ‘Swiftboater’ knives will get rich.
Remember there is a reason why the same folks that got Bush elected want her as Dem candidate. She’s the only one that any other miltary-industrial oligarchy candidate can defeat!
I like ruscle’s “Don’t Worry!” scenario. (1:04pm) I’m so bummed over losing Edwards, anything that mentions him surfacing in a future election just makes me feel better!
It is time to take a stand and DO something. No candidate is perfect. I have made a decision to stop nit-picking all the faults and foibles of the most progressive candidates and put my time and money on the line. It would be interesting to publicize the faults and embarrassing information about each of us who so blithely post here and see who would support us (wry smile to you).
I wanted to be inspired again. Barack Obama inspires me with his messages. How much will he able to accomplish? If he can do even 25% of what he is talking about, that will be progress. The most resonant part of his message, for me, is that WE together have to make change; he is not saying the HE is the messiah, he is saying that if we citizens commit to make change, it will happen.
I am committing my time and money for the Obama for America campaign prior to Super Tuesday. I have opened my business office for volunteers to make calls, and get out the vote on Monday.
Aside from supporting Obama, I have formed a group called AWAKENED CITIZENS. Following is what we sent to every member of Congress; you may say it is corny or naïve, but we intend to keep the messages going to our elected representatives. BTW, you are welcome to copy and send to your representatives:
NEW YEAR RESOLUTIONS
2008
I resolve to rededicate myself, as a Member of Congress, to the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and to the American people.
1. I will vote as a humble servant of the American people.
2. Before any vote, I will take time to close my eyes and visualize the faces of those whom my vote may affect, the elderly grandmother in a nursing home, the young couple just starting out in life with a baby on the way, the 50’ish tradesman, the severely wounded veteran returning from the Middle East, the bright-eyed five-year old ready to start kindergarten,
3. I will vote as though I don’t have to worry about getting re-elected.
4. I will vote as one who is free of obligations to special interests that don’t coincide with what I truly believe is in the public interest.
5. I will vote as though there are no cameras, I don’t have to “posture” for sound bites, I can be myself and say what is true.
6. I will vote as though there are no consequences from the administration, other members of congress, or my financial contributors.
7. I will conduct independent research on issues, seeking out experts who have no political agendas, I will avoid sources known to “spin” facts, withhold information, or provide false information. I will make decisions based on fact and logic rather than dogma and political expediency.
8. I will demonstrate that I have the courage to say, “I was wrong” and “I changed my mind.”
9. I will work with my colleagues on both sides of the aisle to make decisions in the best interest of the American people; I will abandon petty partisan politics.
10. I will avoid name-calling and character assaults; I will challenge the issue, not the person.
11. While others use inflammatory language to manipulate the American people, creating fear, appealing to racism, classism, religiosity, sexism, and prejudice; I will be the voice of reason.
12. I will be the one to extend a hand to find common ground to solve our problems now and to leave a positive legacy for future generations.
13. I will vote as though this the last day of my life; my last chance to leave a legacy for my country, my family, and the world.
14. I will re-read the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights; I will require that my staff do so as well.
15. I will publicly recommit to my oath of office to support and defend the Constitution of the United States
Signed_________________________________
people…..LET’S ROLE THE DICE FOR OBAMA\EDWARDS….do we want to keep playing musical chairs with the clintons and bushes ? and mccain….100% WARMONGER
Nader just formed a fact finding committee and is contemplating running again….AND I’LL VOTE FOR HIM! He’d be the only candidate left that I could do so with good conscience. I hope he runs, I really do. NADER ‘08!
jlover -
You are forgetting that it is already a pre-ordained certainty that Clinton will be elected. There has either been a bush or Clinton in the White House for the last 28 years. Look at the history books and see. It will be Clinton again. The ruling families will never allow another to ‘take over’. We will all pretend to vote and cast the ballot for Obama but in the end it will be Clinton regardless.
From the article:
The videotapes do show that Clinton used her role to push for more environmentally friendly policies and better treatment of women.
All the while never making a peep about Wal-Mart’s exploitation of labor.
That was the extent of Hillary’s progressivism 20 years ago, and considering that she has been steadily regressing since her days of radicalism at Wellesley 40 years ago, we can probably plot her current position on a graph somewhere between Joseph Lieberman and George H. W. Bush. Great.
It seems that Hecete was having her way with her American subjects long before I emailed my foreign policy objections to her on the evening before a certain tall, lefthanded Saudi airmailed his objections. Ashes, ashes…
What makes you folks think there is going to be an election? And if The Lorax is right and Clinton doesn’t get the nomination, it only stands to reason that something VERY bad is going to happen before November.
I think I’ll just play it by ear. The only thing I know for sure is that I will NEVER vote for a Clinton or a Bush, EVER.
And that’s all I have to say about that……..
It is amazing to me the way many of the CD posters are so bitter about the Clinton family. After the worst eight years in our country`s history, it seems a little disingenuous to crab about things that most administrations have been guilty of.
Many of us would have preferred another choice, such as John Edwards, but the corporate media did not want to face him as he would have had a good chance to win the election.
I suppose Bills lie is still affecting some people, but measured agaonst 935 lies, it does not look too bad.
Some folks are taken in by Obama`s speechs about bringing the country together, but that was Pelosi`s idea also, and that meant letting the Repugs run over them. That would be great in time but now we need to get things turned around and preach about togrtherness after that has happened.
There are evidently many people that are not aware that every year of Clinton`s eight years, the budget improved until by the last several years, there was a nice surplus to apply on the debt. Bush handed that out to his rich cronies in a short time and conned many lower income people into thinking they had a great benefit.
If you all like to saddle your kids with lifetime debt and see all of the programs dumped that help lower and middle class citizens, then a Clinton is not your cup of tea. We at least had a functioning country that was respected around the world during Bills eight years.
We should support Obama if he gets nominated, but the conservatives will be ready for him with all barrels blazing or they would not have pushed him so much.
Rebel Farmer - I hope you are wrong!!!!
That said - you are probably correct in your diagnosis.
Why do you think the Anti-home grown Terrorism Act(SB1959) is about to be passed? Why do think we had KBR build detention camps for at least 500,000 detainees? Why do think all and any eavesdropping to eliminate any shred of privacy will be passed?
Sure, Hillary is what she is, yuck. But yesterday I saw William Kristol attacking her, today ABC news…because she has the best chance of beating mccacain and kristol wants to bomb bomb bomb iran like mccain does and occupy Iraq “for a thousand years,” again like mccain.
She will get the nomination, nader will help split the vote(so he said anyway) and mccain will win (hi karl). cool.
World War Three. She is less militaristic than mccain, but here on CD I notice dem’s get hit way harder than repub’s.
Again she is a pig..but less of one than mccain.
Oh I’m sorry, Ralph won’t split the vote of the left. He did not do that before as I have had pointed out so harshly on this web-site.
Kernal, careful, the right to have differing opinions with the daily threaders on CD w/o being attacked is very limited.
Let me heartily second what BeForKids said at 1:34 pm above. The candidates don’t differ much in what they are actually proposing, and they are both taking big money from very unsavory sources. Neither can be considered progressive; yet it may matter very much who they are, what their life history has been, and what sort of pressures from the people they are likely to respond to. The prognosis for Clinton, a former corporate schill, is not very good. Obama’s history as a community organizer gives more reason for hope.
The small differences in position are important too. In terms of their positions on Iraq and Iran, there is not much to distinguish between Clinton and McCain, except that McCain is less mealy-mouthed. With Obama vs. McCain, there is a significant difference, a reason for people to choose Obama if they want peace.
Clinton will do grave damage to what is left of the Democratic Party, if indeed she doesn’t throw the election to the Neanderthals who are leading us to Armageddon. With Obama there is some small measure of hope.
Obama has yet to raise an issue. What the hell does he stand for? Change to what? Where does he stand of the issues of the Clinton Scandals?
The sell-out to the Chinese money, the Arab money to the Clinton Library in Arkansas..
Dubai-Ports where Billary recieved some one million dollars as a consultant, the tens of million dollars the Saudi Royalty has been giving to the Clintons. With all these issues, where is Obama? Hiding behind Oprah?
Kernel–
also on clinton’s watch:
WTO, NAFTA
banking and financial deregulation
privatization of government
media consolidation
union busting
bombing of iraq
and more i can’t think of off the top of my head.
granted, he was much more fiscally responsible than the present thugs, a reversal of the traditional repulican/democratic roles. but he was also lucky. the tech bubble came along at the right time, keeping the economy seemingly healthy while uncountable living-wage jobs were lost, and burst with minimal damage.
i agree more or less with The Lorax and Rebel Farmer. whatever the fix winds up being, it’s already in, and the day average citizens create real change in this country won’t be november 4, 2008.
This kind of dirt is fair game. I think that you have all figured out that the election is being fought on common dreams and that you will be seeing more articles coming out revealing both Clinton and Obama’s skeletons in the next bit.
That said, Wal-Mart is a dangerous association. Not only are they anti-human right, but they were represented at the SPP meeting in Montebello - which means that they also have a shown interest in influencing government policy.
SPP has been called “NAFTA on steroids”.
RE: - Oh I’m sorry, Ralph won’t split the vote of the left.
You bring up an interesting point - what is this left whose vote he is supposed to be splitting. Surely it is not Hillary-us’s vote.
I know that vote splitting charge is bogus. But so is that there is another left to split it with - especially with Edwards out of the race.
How’s this for a scenario.
Hillary and Bill are elected. Gay marriage is legitimized. Bill leaves Hillary and marries Obama.
If you want to know what kind of person Obama is, read his book “Dreams from my Father”, which
was written about 15 years ago. He may not have some of the political experience of Billery,
but he has a lot of experience in life. He knows what it is like to try to pay bills, he has
spent a night sleeping in an alley, he’s seen the rich trying to put down the poor. He’s not
my first choice, but of who is left, I’m willing to give him a chance. He’s got to be better
than what we have now.
Billary Clinton and Barack Osama
SOS
666 = www (Hebrew Alphabet = v v v there is no www) = Mark = Brand
Patriotis Veritas
A Patriot tells the truth.
I smoke a brand.
I am probably screwed. For all of you innocents, I am with you.
For all of you who think you can make it with www… forget about it, its a delusion.
Patriot is Veritas
Patriotis: In plain english, what are you talking about?
In plain english.
The use of www as a cover all internet address has concerned me for a long time.
I now know why this mantra concerns me.
Try to make any real money today without www……
You will find that prophecy is fulfilled, and yes, the corporate greed-mongers are the institutions who have turned our society into a brand (the thing they scorch into cows and computers screens today) society.
Look around you. Look at the things, the stuff closest to you, tell me its not branded.
If you disagree with me, that is fine, personally, I have disagreed with myself for a long time, but when something gets so obvious its impossible to ignore, its time to tell your friends about it; my friends are here. This earth was made for your enjoyment, not your enslavement. www and brands are enslaving all of us. Organic and working with your neighbors is the way to go, we have the knowledge now…
Yeah and her husband just denied that 911 was an inside job this week after a heckler in the crowd shouted:
“911 was an inside job!”
Thats enough for me it’s been “officially denied” by Slick Willy him self.
Alex Jones played the clip today on his show.You can listen to the rebroadcast this evening on :
http://www.gcnlive.com/Schedule-Weekdays.htm
Mikec,
You forgot inaction during the Rwandan Genocide. As he showed during the Biafran Genocide, Booby Kennedy would have never let it happen to the degree that it did. Ask the almost one million Rwandans who were murdered — as well as, the over four million who subsequently died in Eastern Congo (as a consequence of Rwanda) — ask them what they think of the Clintons’ compassion, courage and character.
vaudree, by “the left” I meant people who think the republican’s, rove, bush I, cheney, bush II et al are worse than hillary, obama, bill et al… but sure, this can be picked apart and sure is.
And maybe karl rove is helping get it picked apart-is Kristol blasting the Clinton’s and writing favourably about Obama beacause he believes in Barak? He believes in no American. So why?
After disagreement w/ many threaders I am sure looking forward to the election, the democrat haters on CD should have another eight republican years to make them happy (that is realpolitik)
just me, i’d rather see any dem than any repub.
Of course she stayed silent. She got paid good money for that silence.
The Clintons have been suck-ups to corporate power and corporate money ever since their first term as Ark governor. They’ll consistently side with corps and against workers.
The Dems are corporate America’s B-team. When the Republicans go so overboard that they are unelectable, like in 1992 and 2008, the Dems step in. The Dems protect the corporate gains from the Republican years. For instance, the first Clinton admin did damn little to roll back the changes of the Reagan years (you know, Obama’s hero!). Then the Clintons passed things like NAFTA and Welfare Reform that even the Reagan\Bush team couldn’t have passed.
I’m so sick of seeing people try to tell me that corporate rule by someone with a (D) after their name is somehow better than corporate rule by someone with a (R) after their name. Same $#!^, different puppet, that’s all.
Go ahead, put a (D) in the White House. We’ll still have troops in Iraq. Some Americans and lots of Iraqis will keep dying. Both these candidates want the same thing the Bushies want which is to expand the Afghan disaster into Pakistan. Neither will do a damn thing for American workers or unions. We’ll have another ‘jobless recovery’ just like Bill Clinton gave us in the early nineties (because they send our jobs overseas for bigger corporate profits). Both back the corporations if refusing to give us the same sort of good health care system that every other western democracy has, instead they’ll fool us with some crap about ‘universal coverage’, and even go with Hillary’s plan to boost health insurance industry profits by making it illegal to not have health insurance. Both will take a few token measures for the environment, while backing down from anything that might affect corporate profits. Both will give us nuke power plants. I haven’t heard either say a word about scaling back us building more nuke weapons. Both want to increase the defense budget.
I’d go on, but I’m tired of typing. But I don’t see things being a whole lot better when the (D) puppets replace the (R) puppets. But just keep on deluding yourself that voting (D) makes a difference. You’ve got to ignore a track record of actions twenty years long to keep that delusion alive, but just keep on deluding yourselves. Meanwhile, you’re blocking any real efforts for real change by constantly voting (D) no matter how bad the candidates really are.
“granted, he was much more fiscally responsible than the present thugs”
Not really. He just went along for the ride on a temporary drop in oil prices during his years. Peak oil was going to end that after 2000 no matter what. And he went along for the ride on the tech wave as computers really came into American life and business and created a temporary boom. The last was going to be a temporary thing no matter what because Bill was working hard to make sure those computer jobs quickly went overseas to India and other places anyways.
It was more luck than policy.
“Obama is lesser of 2 evils.”
The lessor evil is still evil.
And if you keep voting for evil and supporting a party that deliberately won’t ever do anything but try to do anything but be the slightly lessor evil, then the only choice you’ll ever have in 2012 or 2016 or 2020 will be this same choice of picking the lessor evil.
If you want a different choice on the ballot sometime, you got to get out of that party and start working to build that different choice. No corporation is going to give you a corporate funded candidate that is that different choice. The corporate media will never do anything but ignore or attack that different choice. So its up to you. You’ve got to go out and build an alternative if you want an alternative.
It would be nice if Obama fooled me, but to me Obama ain’t that different choice. Just the fact that he’s constantly trying to BS me with pretty words about ‘hope’ and ‘change’ but never going beyond the pretty words tells me that.
And even if elected he’ll still face a Congress dominated by Republicans and pro-war, pro-corporate Dems.
I believe obama is our trojan horse. I’ve given $ to kucinich, and again,this time. My car has proudly worn his bumpersticker since ‘03. no doubt he is the best! but, to win a game you must play it to some extent. I love kucinich to death, but he’ll never be president. Kucinich did pick Obama over Edwards & Clinton! Yeah, I’m a 66 yr old white male, and for years been pushing for women’s rights.
But I remember sleazebag slick willie (only better than his repug/talk show detractors). And, the record; welfore “reform”, encouraged by Hillary, NAFTA, 1996, Telecommunications Act, sanctions on Iraq causing half a million Iraqi children to die. Madeline Albright, sec of sumthin, said, oh, it’s cool, was worth it. She remains a top Clinton advisor.
John Butterfield:
As long as you are going to throw away your vote, vote for GRAVEL. He is still running and is much better than Kucinich.
Any corporate hack is going to keep things running smooth. There isn’t one out there that will do the right thing. The right thing is to hard to for most humans. Change. These clowns make the human race look bad. Leaders? Like Brittney!
February 1st in Ithaca, NY,the only place on ‘72 to vote for McGovern & the only only place to vote in the primaray for Lisani vs hillary on 2/1 the incredible musicians of ithaca are holding a barak the vote for obama.
California, if you’re out there, John Marciano, David Makofsky, Lyn Miller, Debbie Grosellier, Gulliver the Traveller, etc. We need your votes, plus!! — Gary Hammond
Rebel Farmer nails it once again” NEVER TRUST A CLINTON OR A BUSH”
Did you watch that video I told you about?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261
RON PAUL
Why is it that even in this forum the one woman in the mix is referred to by her first name almost exclusively?
Why not John, Mitt, Rudy, Dennis, John, Barack, and Mike?
I like my2sense’s points. Hillary Clinton’s opponents–Obama now and McCain later–would do well to say, “Don’t give Bill Clinton eight more years in the White House.”
I wish I had time for activist politics; I’d canvass door to door for the Greens this year.
I’m concerned by Senator’s Clinton’s connections to Walmart, but I am not going to be too quick to judge. The south has a lot of anti-unionism, so Bill Clinton’s explanation makes sense to me, and I am not convinced that she could have so easily effected change in any way other than what she obviously went for, i.e. pushing for advancement for women in management. Which is critical for women Walmart employees who make very little and need to support families. Surely, although her efforts did not result in immediately observable results, her actions affected others and made it easier for those who followed.
Senator Clinton worked as a young woman with migrant workers, and was fired from a position when she complained about working conditions. She has community organizing experience, too, like Senator Obama, although why this seems to get swept under the rug is a bit bewildering to me, other than the politics of campaigning in the Democratic Party, and in this case, from the Obama team.
If it is business as usual in the White House, I think that would be the case with either Senator Clinton or Senator Obama. Indeed, I am even more concerned about that with Senator Obama because he does not seem as fluent or experienced in building coalitions and articulating the nuts and bolts of accomplishing certain aims. Since these are Senator Clinton’s strengths (among others), l think we would see more changes with Senator Clinton because she has made more specific commitments on issues, been more willing to get out on a limb, also sharing her willingness and ability to discuss how she intends to achieve various objections. These nuts and bolts discussions are not as exciting or inspiring as Obama’s speeches, but I think she is, in many ways, the wiser and more realistic choice. In some ways, while Obama empowers some, I also think the Obama movement is a way for people hand over the power, rather than take it. Which is often the case with “charismatic” leadership. I see a lot of marketing and image selling at work, and for a mass consumer “youth” culture.
There’s a lot at stake in the U.S. and the world today, and while neither candidate is a John Edwards on unions, Senator Clinton has more union support than Senator Obama. Surely the people closer to candidates on these issues, i.e. in the unions, know who will best serve their interests.
I would like to know more about John McCain and Romney’s background on unions. Can’t be too good …. Must be much worse!
At any rate, there’s a lot at stake in the world today, and while I am supporting Senator Clinton, certainly Senator Obama is also a better choice than any of the Republicans. Whoever comes out of the cleaners will have my support. I remember when both Gore and Kerry ran, and people were so concerned about how much was at stake. And others said, I’m tired of that song and dance. Well, now, one war later, and how many dead, and on the verge of a serious recession, does that make sense to folks yet?
On NAFTA, which I do not like, I see a lot of people forgetting that this brain child hatched with Bush Sr. I also recall much enthusiasm for NAFTA, at that time, and across political views in the U.S., when I myself felt rather isolated wondering where this was REALLY going to lead, and whether or not this was really such a great idea, and in the best interests of the American people. Let alone many poorer persons in Central America.
Now that it’s obviously hit hazardous waters, all blame is laid on Bill Clinton, with the typical inability of our countrymen to separate husbands and wives as separate individuals. And especially when “that woman” was such a favored scapegoat of the far right. If you recall, First Lady Clinton was far more involved in health care back then, where her present plan — like John Edward’s — is better than Barack Obama’s. AND health care reform would work wonderfully in favor of American workers, in just way, by taking it OFF the bargaining table.
Both Democratic candidates, I understand, support NAFTA reform and better enforcement of trade agreements. Although I think both could go further on each of those, too.
IMO, people should press both of these candidate for further accountability and explanations on these issues, rather than engage in what was once typically right wing attacks on Senator Clinton, or simply letting Senator Obama off the hook as far as any further commitments on issues are concerned.
That’s the reality of politics that many Americans don’t come to terms with. Stop looking for charismatic leadership, people, or fighting amongst one another about rich candidates, and start making your leaders answerable to you, the People.
And before you give them your vote.
Hillary Dillary sat on a wall
Hillary Dillary had a great fall
All the Corporate men and all the Corporate whores
Couldn’t put Hillary back together again.
Her job-itself was to rake-in greater-profits for company Elite at workers-expense.
That fully-qualifies her for her new-Job…shaking-out the so-called Middle-Income like her hubby shook-out the lower-income.
Here’s the game-plan:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7693
[Click my Name…connect all Dots]
cara-
If you are supporting Clinton you are supporting a Monarchy and trashing the US Constitution. The bush and Clinton families have been controlling this country for the last 28 years.
1980 Reagan/ BUSH
1984 Reagan/ BUSH
1988 BUSH / Quayle
1992 CLINTON / Gore
1996 CLINTON / Gore
2000 BUSH / Cheney (Fraudulent election)
2004 BUSH / Cheney (Fraudulent Election)
2008 And you want CLINTON again?
Stop supporting these same families. It’s been 28 years! Look at the state of our country now!
A clinton sold out the working class? I am shocked, just SHOCKED!
My wife always tells me how the Clinton medical plan was thwarted by the Republicans and how another 8 Clinton years will turn this country around. Compared to the last 8 disastrous years for the USA I can’t argue with her on that but let’s face it the Clintons have no sympathy for the thousands of homeless, the millions without medical cover, the millions dead in Iraq or the mother in uniform trying to provide for her kids. Oh! yes I’ve heard the bullshit from CNN and FOX and all the other painted dolls which pervade those organisations but at the end of the day Kucinich is the only voice worth an ear. Just vote Kucinich, that’s all.
Even though I can’t say to much for her. I liked her husband a whole lot better! If she gets the nomination I will vote for her! Because under no circumstances will I vote Republican or third party candidate either one. Republican’s are far to corrupt and war-mongering. Third party candidates are a waste of one’s vote. All voting for a third party candidate will do is put another Republican in the White House. This country can not stand another 4 to 8 years of the Robber Baron Republican’s! It will be the end of us if it happens. We are going to be lucky if we survive Bush’s reign of terror!
@cara: “I also think the Obama movement is a way for people hand over the power, rather than take it.
Which is often the case with “charismatic” leadership”
cult of personality
That’s the term
One trait needed for the “cult of personality” is bandwagoning appeal. The Rosa Brooks LATimesEdOp -prime example
I am sad to say, the US just isn’t clever enough to know cult of personalities are historically
attached to unattractive events –where the populace never gets what it thinks is coming with the win.
Hillary played dumb and went along with Bush’s lies when he said Saddam Hussein did not allow the weapons inspectors into Iraq. In fact, Bush had them kicked out of Iraq!
Hillary is supposed to be so smart. I guess she’s not so smart after all; either that or she’s a dishonorable person, a liar. I believe it’s the latter.
She also considers herself to be a fortune teller: Clinton also defended her vote in favor of the U.S. attack, saying it was in part justified because Saddam Hussein was a “megalomaniac, [who] would not want to compete for attention with Osama bin Laden,” — the implication being Hussein was a danger to the U.S. — which he was NOT.
If anyone is a megalomaniac, it’s Hillary Clinton. Enough of the Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton monarchies!!
Why was Ron Paul still performing on the CNN debate the day before yesterday when Kucinich has not been in a debate for a long time!
RE: - vaudree, by “the left” I meant people who think the republican’s, rove, bush I, cheney, bush II et al are worse than hillary, obama, bill et al… but sure, this can be picked apart and sure is.
I remember seeing my mom cringe when Papa Bush said that Brian Mulroney was too left-wing for him. This after Mulroney serenaded Reagan (like one would a lover) with “When Irish Eyes are Smilin’” - which made a whole nation cringe (and still does). Mulroney’s performance at Reagan’s funeral was compared to the performance of a sexual act on a corpse. How much further deference did Papa Bush expect from Mulroney over and above what he got I’m not sure!
Note that, since Ronnie boy was suffering from Alzheimers, papa Bush was probably running things for most of Ronnie’s second term.
RE: - And maybe karl rove is helping get it picked apart-is Kristol blasting the Clinton’s and writing favourably about Obama beacause he believes in Barak?
I don’t like Clinton and do not trust her further than I can spit. HOWEVER, even I have to admit that she won last night’s debate hands down. Not only did Clinton handle the difficult fluff questions meant to trip her up (ie the all election containing a Bush or Clinton one) and on the issues. Obama did get into his usual stride a few times but many times he seemed hesitant and off this stride - probably because he had to actually think what he was saying rather than just repeat words he knew by heart. Thus, it is possible that they are supporting Obama because they consider him the weaker debater - trying to make him look good now (by only replaying parts where he looked good) so that he can be torn down later.
HOWEVER, Ronnie avoided a lot of criticisms in the American press because of his Alzheimers (under the guise that this would be inappropriate), and someone tried very hard to rally the troops so that Ronnie boy became AOL’s “Greatest American.” Therefore, the corporate right wants Reagan (and his concept of reaganomics) held up as the epitome of American existence.
It doesn’t matter which is a better or worse debater or more beholden to corporate - what matters is preserving Ronnie’s legacy and economic policies for another generation.
It looks like the Dems will get into the Whitehouse so protecting both the legacy and making it a one term thing are the major goals. One thing that you will see is the media trying not to keep people’s expectations in check with Obama so that, no matter how well he does, he will disappoint because he did not meet (albeit bloated) expectations.
RE: - Of course she stayed silent. She got paid good money for that silence. / The Clintons have been suck-ups to corporate power and corporate money ever since their first term as Ark governor. They’ll consistently side with corps and against workers.
Yes, there is a certain two-facedness to the Clintons which can be used to your advantage.
Liberals=Dems
Conservatives/Tories=Repugs
NDP=your Greens (our Greens are liberarians)
There is a saying in Canada that the Liberals campaign like NDPers and rule like Conservatives - and there is a certain amount of truth to it. Thus, Liberals tend to be more two-faced and sneaky. They are just as interested in Star Wars as the Tories but, because they are supposed to be against it, they try to implement it behind Canadian’s back and someone finds out about it, they back off a bit, wait until the media hype dies down, and then go back to talking about Star Wars again. The Cons tend to be more open about this kind of thing so it is harder to slow them down by revealing what they are up to.
RE: - Both back the corporations if refusing to give us the same sort of good health care system that every other western democracy has, instead they’ll fool us with some crap about ‘universal coverage’, and even go with Hillary’s plan to boost health insurance industry profits by making it illegal to not have health insurance.
That is one thing that I was having trouble figuring out during the debate - and Obama was no better with his “85% the same” comment on clarity. Edwards, as a means of opening the door to future single-payer health care, suggested letting public health insurance (ie opening up Congress’s plan to the public) compete with private insurers. I am not sure whether this is what Clinton is proposing exactly.
Clinton was saying that she would allow public coverage of those who are deemed uninsurible or who cannot afford private health care - which is not the same thing as letting all Americans choose between private insurers and the public insurer.
Clinton also talked about not letting private insurers Cherry pick - something which would be irrelevant if the public government insurer was going to compete openly with the private ones (offering better coverage and lower premiums as an incentive for people to jump on board) - with the purpose of eventually phasing out the private insurers.
At the end of it, CNN said that the AMA is not against single-payer because they are for “Public-Private Partnerships”! I just cringed with they said this. The introduction of PPP is the latest neocon tool used to erode the public system in Canada. PPP tend to let the private interests take care of the more lucrative side of health care while putting the mores costly procedures on the back of government - which drives up the cost of the government side of things. PPP is all about cherry picking and giving private interests a foothold even if America goes public.
It is like with telephone - private interests prefer to sell to city dwellers than rural dwellers whereas public providers tend to give both the same rate. PPP are all about Cherry picking.
RE: - Just the fact that he’s constantly trying to BS me with pretty words about ‘hope’ and ‘change’ but never going beyond the pretty words tells me that.
There wasn’t much of that in last night’s debate where Obama seemed struggling to try to come up with the right words to describe his policies more explicitly at points.
RE: - I love kucinich to death, but he’ll never be president.
If the American system was more like the Canadian system, the President would be the Congressperson whose leads the party which won the most seats. In such a situation, the leader of the Dems, the Greens and the Repugs would all be around in Congress to argue the issues. Your Secretary of State etc would also be Congresspersons.
How much did we hear from Kerry since he allowed Bush to assume office another time? If Kerry was leading the questions in Congress and Bush or his Secretaries were trying to evade answering them day in and day out, they would all be household names.
There is no consolation prise where Kucinich can run for president and end up in Congress - he may still end up in Congress but that is a separate battle. Kucinich ran to get his money out - which means taking any scrap of time the media was willing to give him.
workreno: Yes. It’s amazing that so many are so disenchanted (on both sides) and the obvious answer is ignored. I know it’s scary but Give Peace a Chance. The broader the coalition, the narroweer the agenda.
Ann Coulter has just announced that she will support Hillary if McCain is nominated. That sort of says it all, doesn’t it? Our electoral system, or perhaps more accurately our entire governmental system, has become a joke.
I’m concerned that the Republicans are trying to confuse us, mislead us, and in the end, divide us all. Isn’t it possible that the Republicans are playing a role in influencing voters who haven’t decided between Obama and Clinton? Isn’t it possible that which ever Democrat is going to win, they are going to help influence us to vote for the one who will most likely get defeated in November? Maybe that’s why ABC tried to make Hillary look bad. I’m pissed off that Bush got another term, and if we weren’t so divided in the very beginning of his first campaign, maybe things wouldn’t have gotten so horrible. It’s hard to say what would have been. Republicans are sneaky, and devious, much more so than Democrats will ever be. We need to stop the bickering and bashing and start paying close attention. And which ever Deomcrat wins we need to back them up %100, or something bad is going to happen next November.
In an ideal world I would LOVE it if Kucinich could be president, but too much idealism can make us blind to reality.
It takes time to make this world a better place, and we have to unfortunately suffer through the hard work of patience. We will get there, eventually, as long as we choose the most effecient and best way to go about the hard work. But if we get impatient and frustrated and try to jump too far ahead and ignore what is possible RIGHT NOW, we are just slowing ourselves way down and we won’t get anywhere. Just think about how far we’ve come in the Democratic party - A black man and a woman running for president!!! How amazing is that ?!! Remember the days when that was once thought of as a distant, far away notion. Many thought impossible. We’ve finally gotten there, and all you guys do is complain! Now they may not be perfect or your ideal president, but just think how this is going to change things in terms of the people’s perpective on what is possible. A major shift is about to happen here and you guys are too busy throwing trash at it. We are moving in the right direction, albeit very slow. If you could only see through all the negativite thinking you all hold so dear, you might feel like you are accomplishing something. Just remember this - if we don’t work together on this, the Republicans are going to defeat us all.
In regards to the prior comment;
drwu January 31st, 2008 12:25 pm
Hillary or Obama, coke or pepsi? For my money they’re both enigmatic politicians and probably up to no good..
Coke or Pepsi? Mena, Mena, Mena!
**Disclaimer by the media needed**
While comparing Obama’s win in SC to Jessie Jackson’s win in ‘84 and ‘88, members of the media failed to report the fact that the SC Democratic Party used the caucus system in those years to define their preference for a candidate.
Less than 6,000 people in the state were responsible for Rev. Jackson’s win in both years. 580,000 voted in our primary, January 26, 2008. There’s a big difference in the numbers!
RE: Hillary or Obama, coke or pepsi?
Coke vs. Pepsi is actually a choice. There’s an organized campaign against Coke all over the world. It’s a strategic choice. Yet is there any chance that Pepsi as a corporation is any better than Coke?
Social movements and trade unions have decided to take on Coke.
We should all be happy to vote down the Clintons and the GOP!
Ann Coulter! Now that is just mean! (not complaining)
My friend thinks that Obama looks like Abraham Lincoln. Anyone willing to draw him with a beard and top hat just to see if she’s right?
jsc I like to check this site every couple daze to see if the sheeple are waking up to the fact that there is only 1 candidate that is going to :
Bring the troops home now
Stop the looting of Social Security
Save trillions overseas,reducing our dept,helping veterans,children,and seniors,and cutting taxes
End forced health care screening and vaccinations.
Oppose WTO,NAFTA,CAFTA,and theNAU
Fight for freedom to choose health care.
Stop corporate welfare and pollutters.
Protect our privacy and civil liberties.
Stop the national ID card
OPPOSE INTERNET TAXES AND REGULATION
He’s a OBGYN w/ 4000 babies delivered.He worked in clinics for $3.00 per Hr. all were treated regardless of there abillity to pay. He’s been a devoted husband.he’s an organic tomato farmer. He’s been called the modern Thomas Jefferson.
I ready don’t know what the —- these people are looking for.
Maybe the greatest thing that D K could do for the Constitution right now is support RON PAUL.
By the way I did send money to both Kucinich and Paul,but
KUCINICH IS OUT OF THE RACE….
8 more Clinton years?!!
and after that Chelsea can run for prez…
TheLorax
Yes, I am supporting Clinton, unless it’s Obama who comes out of the cleaners. So, tell me, my friend, who are you supporting in the overthrow of the American monarchies? The Kennedys? You really think Obama is going to make to the finish line with MoveOn.org behind him and I Gracefully and Rapidly Concede To Bush Kerry?
I suggest you open your eyes and stop pretending that every time you swing into the She-Devil, you aren’t campaigning AGAINST universal health care, AGAINST universal pre-k, AGAINST women’s right to choose, AGAINST the 12 labor unions behind Clinton, AGAINST education reform, AGAINST getting out of Iraq, AGAINST women’s rights in the middle east … etc.
And stop pretending that The Left didn’t support NAFTA back in the day; indeed, thought Bill Clinton was doing the grandest thing. And I bet Senator Obama did, too.
Election reform is what this country needs to open our options to other candidates.
But in the meantime, I am not going to forget that The Left also played a key role in handing the elections to Bush, and especially in the Gore fight, which also made it harder for Kerry. Wake up, buddy, if you were with Nader, or some other anti-monarchist bunch back then. And start bashing the Republicans instead. Or - while you bash the She-Devil — take some responsibility and pat your buddies on the back for the 1 million dead Iraqis we are reading about today. And ask yourself, “Can this get worse?” It’s only not possible in you are the twenty-something member of a personality cult raised on a daily 3 hour television commercial dosage.
I don’t ask for perfection from candidates, I don’t ask that I need to personally like them. Perfection is something we get from objects of prayer, and personally liking people is something we need if we live with them or have to sit down for meals together.
I ask what kind of commitments they have made, how far out on a limb they have put themselves for the American people, how capable they are of delivering, and how much further we can get them to go on matters of import.
As for this article, I wouldn’t be surprised if Senator Kennedy’s fingertips play a role in its delivery to America. Senator Clinton on the board for Walmart as NEWS? C’mon, this is old story stuff leaked to the press as fresh bananas.
But I see rotten fruit when you bring it home.
Cute Picture!
Sure beats the pants off Monkey Face and the Cheney scowl!
update:D K is supporting Paul.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By_zxa1qnj4
The Clintons are a throughly corrupt couple. Their corruption compliments each other. Both of them will say and do absolutely anything to get her elected.
The crybabies that blame Nader for Gore’s “loss” are full of BS. It’s easy for them to play the Blame Game with Nader since they don’t offer candidates that people really want, the result being that people vote for Nader instead. What’s so difficult to understand about that??
This so-called Democracy should allow voters more than just one candidate from each of the so-called two parties.
“NAFTA is working, working for you and working for the American people”- Bill Clinton
http://edition.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1997/05/07/clinton.mexico/
“The rise in the U.S. trade deficit with Canada and Mexico through 2004 has caused the displacement of production that supported 1,015,291 U.S. jobs since the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) was signed in 1993. Jobs were displaced in every state and major industry in the United States. Two thirds of those lost jobs were in manufacturing industries.”
“NAFTA’s cautionary tale”
Economic Policy Institute
http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/ib214
“But she supported most favored nation trade status despite concerns about China’s human rights record.
William Kristol, a self-described Reagan-era internationalist and the editor of The Weekly Standard, said Mrs. Clinton’s speech sounded like the thoughts of Senator Moynihan. But, he said, her remarks hearkened back to Reagan as well. ”You’ve got to be happy that Democrats are now willing to embrace at least some aspects of energetic American leadership,” he said.”
“Mrs. Clinton Suggests That U.S. Engage Aggressively in World Affairs”
By Dean E. Murphy
The New York Times
October 18, 2000
The theme song for this entire charade of an election should be the Who’s “Won’t Get Fooled Again.” Especially the phrase, “Meet the new boss! The same as the old boss!”
We can all get together and emulate Daltry’s magnificent scream ;>)