Former CIA Analyst Says Evidence Abounds for Impeachment
PORTSMOUTH - The evidence for impeachment of the president and vice president is overwhelming, former CIA analyst and daily presidential briefer Ray McGovern told a room full of people at the Portsmouth Public Library Monday night.
McGovern, who provided daily briefings for former presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush as well as other high ranking officials during his 27 year CIA career, said he has witnessed a “prostitution of his profession” as the Bush administration lied to the American people about the evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
“Don’t let anyone tell you the President was deceived by false intelligence … they knew,” McGovern said.
For the next 40 minutes, he relayed a series of events leading up to 9/11 which illustrate the President’s desire to go to war with Iraq well before 9-11, that reliable CIA evidence showed that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction and was presented to the administration and the “facts were fixed” in order to legitimize the invasion.
“The estimate which said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction was prepared to the terms of reference laid down by Dick Cheney in a speech on Aug. 26, 2002. It was the worst estimate of intelligence and came to the wrong conclusions, but it was designed to do that,” McGovern said.
McGovern has been an outspoken commentator on intelligence-related issues since the late 1990s and since 2002 has been publicly critical of Bush’s use of government intelligence in the lead-up to the war.
The recent report detailing Iran’s stopping its nuclear weapons program four years ago, is an example of how the administration knows it can no longer hide such “incontrovertible evidence” from the American people in the fallout from the misinformation they received on the Iraq War, McGovern said. He added that he had almost given up on believing their were people still working at the top with a conscious and enough people at the top willing to let analysts do their job and accept independent analysis.
In late 2005, Congress requested an estimate on Iranian nuclear capabilities.
“My former colleagues got really good, incontrovertible evidence that the program, such as it was, has been ordered stopped since 2003. The evidence was such that not even Dick Cheney could deny it. That’s why the report was not produced until three weeks ago,” McGovern said, adding that the Bush administration has been putting “spin” on their rhetoric ever since.
McGovern also addressed the reasoning he believes is behind the threat of war with Iran. He said he believes Israel thinks they have a pledge from the White House to deal with Iran before Bush leaves office and relayed the story of the U.S.S. Liberty, which was attacked by the Israelis in 1967 and covered up by the United States. Thirty-four U.S soldiers were killed and about 170 were seriously injured.
“It seems to me, that on June, 8, 1967, Israel realized it could literally get away with murder,” McGovern said.
McGovern said he also believes Congress will be of little help. Recently House Speaker Nancy Pelosi admitted to learning about torture and illegal eavesdropping in briefings, but said it was her understanding when briefed, that she will not share the information with anyone else, including other members of the House Intelligence Committee.
McGovern called Pelosi out on violating her oath to uphold the Constitution “against enemies, foreign or domestic” by allowing acts in violation of the Constitution to continue by not saying “diddly.”
He added that although an impeachment bill currently in Congress is gaining more support, Democrats are shying away because of the influence of lobbies and political analysts telling them to “wait it out” until the election.
Charges in the impeachment bill sponsored by Dennis Kucinich, are very detailed and “as good as any,” McGovern said, and referenced the illegal eavesdropping of American citizens. He added that the President has “admitted” to this “demonstrably impeachable offense.”
“The argument for impeachment is overwhelming,” Randy Kezar of Kingston said after the event. “Impeachment is constitutionally required.”
McGovern’s visit was co-sponsored by NH Codepink, Seacoast Peace Response, NH Peace Action, NH American Friends Service Committee, Seacoast 9-11 Questions Group, NH Veterans for Peace and Witness for Peace-N.E.
© 2007 Foster’s Daily Democrat
Impeach first, extradite to the Hague later.
So, let’s see it happen instead of talking about it.
Evidence of impeachment is immaterial if the democrats continue to ignore it.
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We the People have known this for some time and polls show that We the People overwhelmingly support impeachment. Where are are supposed “representatives”? They should remember that aiding and abetting are crimes too.
Well Duh Ray we’ve all been saying this for years about the teflon President. My question is why isn’t he impeached yet? Obviously there are some ridiculously powerful forces behind the scenes that are keeping him in power.
Strange, I watched all of the news every day this week and did not hear a single word about this meeting. Evidently what Mr. McGovern says is of little importance, he’s probably one of those crazies, like the ones who read Common Dreams articles.
If McGovern was at all credible, surely our national newspapers and media would have insured his words were headline news. ___ NO?
barely human
‘Impeach first, extradite to the Hague later.’ Better idea, send him to the same Court in the ‘liberated free democratic Iraq’, that had Saddam Hussein (whatever his hue, the legitimate President of Iraq) lynched.
It is uncertain, however, given alleged voting complexities that GWB is the legitimate President of America, allegedly. Why not try out Iraq’s democrocy and ‘let freedom reign’? That would be a test for the real thing.
j.
Ray McGovern should have been considered Time’s Man of the Year. However by putting Putin on the pedestal, they shifted the main internal stories that should be front page news (include Al Gore here as well) of the table. A clever $trategic move by the corporate media intent to maintain the $tatu$ quo. It’s people like McGovern who are providing life support to a dwindling democracy.
DC Beltway said ” Obviously there are some ridiculously powerful forces behind the scenes that are keeping him in power.”
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Yes, there are. They are called DEMOCRATS.
Impeach, Hague, Hang. This goes for ANYBODY that has enabled this malfeasance of our Constitution. Democrat or Repuker. Their is a high price to pay when playing politics with OUR Constitution. There
should be a complete audit on our Governement from top to bottom. From school administrators to the assholes in the white house, congress to state govenors. There should be complete accounting for every penny of our tax dollars, along with mandatory fiscal responsibility. The legal system and appointing of political hack judges must be addressed along with EVERY law that violates our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Plus, they should tax the FUCK out of EVERY religion.
Oh, you people with your impeachment talk. C’mon. There are other things to think about. Like how the Patriots haven’t lost this year and how it’s snowing in parts of the country. And lead in toys? Outrage! And did you know that there could be a sexual predator in your neighborhood? Not to mention, there’s an election going on–we should be watching the polls!
Impeachment is sooooo yesterday’s news.
Oh wait a minute….
Impeach the Nazi bastards, indict them and then hang them in public.
Uh, I hate to tell you this but, uh . . . IMPEACHMENT IS OFF THE TABLE. Just ask Fearless Leader Nancy Pelosi who left it off the table so that Congress could actually get something done. So, Nancy, how did that work out for you? The headlines in the L.A. Times this morning: “Democrats Agenda in Ruins Despite Taking the Hill. Wow, Nancy. Glad you took it off the table.
If you live between New York and Washington anywhere near Route 1, drive over and give John Nirenberg a cup of hot tea, coffee, a bottle of root beer, or just walk with him and hold an “Impeach Bush/Cheney” sign. John will march to Washington for impeachment in your name. Find out where he is leaving from at www.marchinmyname.org
Seems to me Pelosi, Reid and quite a few others in Congress ought to be impeached for refusing to uphold the USS Constitution.
Everybody I know and have met these last few years, including many many republicans,are of the same opinion: IMPEACH THE DECIDING DUO, and hold them accountable in a court of law for unlimited crimes against American citizens and humanity of general . . . thus far amounting to the deaths of well over a million, mostly innocent, people. They must pay for their crimes however tragic the consequences.
Nancy Pelosi is the chief architect of the “no impeachment” position and as such should be arrested immediately, arraigned and tried. Collaborators should not be countenanced.
“never in history has the welfare of so many been in the hands of so few.”
I heard that a day or two ago regarding the Bali conference.
That has to be an insecure predicament. . .worth preserving by any means necessary? Seems to be evidence of that everywhere nowadays.
“Not to mention, there’s an election going on–we should be watching the polls!”
Hmmm… You think the campaign has been extended on purpose, as a distraction?
Who isn’t listening? Doesn’t Senator Reid and Representative Pelosi get it? While the process is complicated and lengthy, start somewhere. Why let these gangsters leave office without punishment for what they have done to our country and the people that have tried to defend it. If our White House leaders and what part of the staff was involved aren’t charged, the country will not have much of a future to look forward to. START, START, START!!!!!!!!
i have had a theory for sometime. and Pelosi seems to be substantiating my theory. The whole lot of them are in Bush’s pocket, bought and paid for to tank the reputation of the dem party. i can think of no other reason why with so much overwhelming evidence, (for crying out loud the downing st memo was enough to convict) that they lie dormant on virtually everything. think about it, their approval rating is lower than Bush’s and he is at 18%. there is absolutely no reason for it. it seems very deliberate and scripted to me.
Impeachment is off the table? So put it on the floor…of the House.
Just think how much worse this gets when you add in their role in committing 9/11. I hope no one else has forgotten about that.
Of course impeachment evidence abounds. So let’s get down to the real contest here - leftists who want to stay on the gravy train versus leftists who want change.
Unless the Demoks accomplish their assigned task to impeach the criminals and get the US military out of the Middle East by election day, progressives are voting third parties, which risks putting more Repuks in the White House.
We don’t want Demoks in the White House to “heal the wounds”. We want big change ASAP-either through a hard-left turn by elected officials, or through Repuk-driven societal collapse, and long-awaited revolution. Check the Green Party platform for directions after that.
Can it get any worse? I think the effing Dems MIGHT wake up if they lose because of a strong GP vote. And unless the Dems put up Edwards or Kucinch, C.Mckinney is gonna get my vote!
Yes ‘green jello’ I, and everybody I know haven’t forgotten 9/11 -
there is far too much evidence not to imply something is amiss in our government.
I recently saw on C-Span the testimonials of a man who was in some top maintinance position at the World Trade Towers recounting his endeavours to help people out of the towers on 9/11. Early on he distinctly remembered hearing bangs beneathe him. He wondered about them, but continued to climb the inner stairs to each floor to try and evacuate whomever he came across. Miraculously, and with no help from the supernatural, he managed to escape the main floor just as the tower began to crumble . . . landing under a firetruck and miraculously, without the aid of you-know-who, survived.
I wish C-Span would run that again. We all know there are innumerable unanswered questions and suspicions about what happened at the towers. One thing that bothers me are the little white puffs of smoke that were visible as the towers fell . . . not unlike those little white puffs of smoke clearly visable when
they implode an ancient Vegas Casino . . . just last month as a matter of fact.
Impeachment must be on the table and an independent investigation of 9/11 launched. NOW!!!!
“Evidence Abounds for Impeachment”
The real problem with this openly criminal government is the Impeachment of Evidence. If at first we don’t secede…
As each day passes, the case for impeachment, no matter how strong, will be sidelined. The excuse is - bush is such a short time lame duck, why drag the country through it?
Its about justice, preserving the law, respecting the sacred constitution, accountability.
But it would take courage, bull headed determination, a group of people who are beyond the corruption, out of the reach of the - behind the scenes lever pullers - (read, the BILLIONAIRES club)
There is no one left that falls into the courage and integrity camp, besides DK.
Sad, we’ve been betrayed, gang raped, first by the ‘63 junta, then by those who we thought cared, and who promised to make a difference.
Until WE American’s start to cause MASSIVE civil disobience, it will be platitudes, lip service, more betrayals, more hand wringing.
Nothing will be done.
“Well Duh Ray we’ve all been saying this for years about the teflon President. My question is why isn’t he impeached yet?”
Perhaps because those who should impeach him are supplying the teflon…?
Hey, here’s a slogan for Daniel David: Vote Democrat and help replenish the teflon in Washington!
If not now–WHEN?
the bushes and their cronies are indeed remnants of the hitler regime…if this country cannot muster up the courage to try them for high treason and crimes against humanity….THE VERY LEAST WE MUST DO IS IMPEACH them(nancy pelosi,too)…now,right now..!!!
Somehow, anyone in tune with current affairs, knows that what is said in this article is true and that we have known for some time. Pelosi is starting to look more like she was ‘planted’ to win her election from the start. Ok, so she’s a democrat which takes some of the heat off Bush and his vote fraud history. Nevertheless, she’s working like a ‘charm’ for Bush and company because she was a highly regaurded democrat and is in a perfect position to pull ‘wool’ over her fellow democrats heads. Yup, seems to be working to perfection.
Will someone in authority with guts please tug Cheney and Bush on the sleeve and tell them, “We need to talk to you.”
Jaded Prole: Up top here you said, “… polls show that We the People overwhelmingly support impeachment.”
Actually (and I follow this closely), few polls on impeachment have been published in the corporate media, but the ones that have asked a specific question: “If President Bush lied to the American people about Iraq’s WMD, should he be impeached?” A majority said yes.
The problem is, I don’t see how it can be PROVEN legally that Bush lied about the WMDs, do you? And while there are many other possible avenues to impeachment, such as warrantless wiretapping and employing torture, a majority of the American people have not yet indicated that they WANT Bush and Cheney impeached on those grounds.
Of course, the media may not want to conduct any more polls on this subject — particularly because the 2008 campaign is in high gear and the Bush regime seems less and less relevant every day.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR COMMENTS:
THE TIME HAS COME FOR IMPEACHMENT. IT IS TIME TO FOLLOW THE LAW AND TO TELL THE TRUTH. IT IS TIME FOR DIANANNE FEINSTEIN, NANCI PELOSI AND ALL LIKE THEM TO BE TAKEN FROM THIER OFFICE. IT IS TIME TO REBUILD AMERICA BASED IN TRUTH AND LAW AND COMPASSION!! IT IS TIME THEY STOPPED TRYING TO SHUT KUCINICH UP! IF A MAN OCCUPIES CONGRESS HE HAS A RIGHT TO BE HEARD IF HE IS RUNNING FOR THE PRESIDENCY! THE REASON HE IS STOPPED FOM SPEAKING IS BECAUSE HE TELL THE TRUTH!!
I may have said this before, but impeaching Bush/Cheney is not about Bush/Cheney. It’s about the inhabitant of the White House on 1/20/09. If what W and VP did are deemed acceptable - and anything short of at least a censure assures that - then President #44 will feel as though she or he can likewise abuse the office.
what mcpete said.
Ray McGovern has been out there saying this from the beginning, nonstop. A true patriot. A true American.
A rare commodity on both counts.
Impeachment is the only course that can save what little honor we have left before the world. To deny it is to sanction what’s been done forever.
Honor… another rare commodity in America.
These current squatters in the White House are just the latest in a long line of attempts to take over our government. For a brief history that details what we are up against, click here –> http://www.sonic.net/~taryfast/destruction.html
Yes, of course evidence for impeachment abounds. This has been obvious for a long time. Nevertheless, Ray McGovern deserves praise for stating the obvious in public.
Let us ask ourselves who is blocking impeachment right now.
Would they happen to be the same ones who make a proprietary claim upon our votes solely on the basis of being not-Republicans? I suspect so.
ADELE the CZECH. Proven legally you ask?
That is precicely the reason for impeachment hearings, to hear witnessess and attempt to garner the truths, beyond any reasonable doubt. If Dennis K’s HR-333 bill were put on the floor by Congressman Conyers, the fit would hit the shan. So many crimes would come out, that both Cheney and Bush would probably resign before the process was completed. Then Nancy Pelosi could pardon them before impeachment proceedings were initiated against her. That may not protect them from the Haigue Courts.
There is very strong evidence that Bush did lie to Congress and to ‘everyone’ about the WMDs in Iraq, as he ordered the Director of the CIA, George Tenent to bury the NIE report, which clearly stated there were no WMDs in Iraq. Unfortunantly Tenent obeyed the order, he could have saved us all a lot of grief and over a million Iraqi lives, a trillion or so dollars and a brocken U.S. Army and National Guard and a ruined economy. That is what Bush hath done.
That of course is not the only impeachable offense that Bush, Cheney have comitted and they have already admitted some and are thumbing their nosses at all of us. It only takes one crime and it could be a misdomeaner offense. Being impeached does not necessarily mean the president would be removed from office, the impeachment has to be confirmed by the Senate.
Billy was impeached and he stayed in the White House.__ Shamed __ for awhile. He shamed the entire nation for being stupid and Linda Tripp did so also___ the slime-ball snake. Her treacherous act insured Gore would lose millions of votes and get these Bible thunping evangilicals activated. ___Amazing what one person can sometimes accomplish.
Of course the crimes Bush and Cheney have committed are a bit more serious than having “no” sex with a kid and then lying about it. Of course you can’t blame Bill for lying, it was one of those rare times when it was absolutely necessary. His lie didn’t ruin our economy and kill a bunch of people either. He was just guilty of really stupid behaviour for a genius, Rhodes Scholar and the President of the United States. __ He did insure oral sex became a household word.
Well, I’ll say it again, Bush is just the tip of the politcaly corrupt iceburg. All of congrees lies just below the surface. No one is going to impeach Bush, period! This administration would not have been able to exsist without the approvel and help of congress. And next year we will elect another bible totting corporate sponcered president to rule over the masses. And the beat go’s on.
Ray McGovern is bravely speaking out in the manner of a true patriot. That Pelosi is complicit along with Dubya & Cheney is truly sad. It does explain her “impeachment is off the table” comment in 2006 on 60 Minutes. If there is to be a Nuremberg style proceeding to mete out punishment to those involved, Pelosi would at minimum be called as a witness (and not come off too well), and could quite possibly wind up on the dock herself. The cynical pragmatist in me would offer Pelosi immunity so the prosecution could proceed. After all, it is a common practice in jurisprudence to offer immunity to lesser players if they can give you the big fish. Dubya & Cheney are the big fish.
That table that all these government people talk about and put things on occasionally has only three legs, and one of them is several inches shorter than the other two.
It won’t be much longer until the US is a simpering has-been in geopolitics. And the world will be better for that, when the family of nations has no superpower. Balance will take the place of this lopsided state.
Maybe even Hillary will realize that the only way to salvage her campaign will bw to ADVOCATE IMPEACHMENT and DAMN Pelosi and Reid. THAT will get her nominated AND elected! Go get ‘em babe! Show some ingenuity and leadership. Or don’t you give a damn about the Constitution either?
Wasn’t it Jefferson who said something like ‘the tree of Liberty must occasionally be watered with the blood of tyrants’? Well, that poor tree is fairly dying from drought and Dubya’s and his prince of darkness VP’s blood would be just the nourishment it needs right now. I can’t buy the argument that we should just let it slide because Dubya is a short-timer lame duck president. He needs to be removed from office as a clear message to future presidents that operating outside the Constitution will not, and cannot, be tolerated.
John Edwards for president, ‘08.
Gyro, way up top, has it right. The average American, if you ask them, would probably say yeah, he should be impeached. But as long as there’s sports, weather and of course Britney Spears to distract them, who really gives a rat’s ass?
If you haven’t heard, three Dems on the Judiciary Committee are calling for Conyers to bring impeachment of the dick to the floor of the House for a hearing. They need your support. Go to the link below and sign the petition. This is really important. Wexler needs us to arm him with that petition to convince Congress that the American people want impeachment NOW! Then after you sign on, e-mail all your friends to do the same!!!
www.wexlerwantshearings.com
Thanks for all you do.
I am pretty sure that anybody that reads common dreams signed that by last friday night.
HANG JANE!
By last Friday, within 24 hours, Wexler already had 50,000. He is now looking for a million before Congress returns in January.
Spred the word!
“i have had a theory for sometime. and Pelosi seems to be substantiating my theory. The whole lot of them are in Bush’s pocket, bought and paid for to tank the reputation of the dem party”
somebody here wrote this. the problem i think is different. both the pathetic dems and bush are in AIPAC’s pocket. jimmy carter wrote that congressmembers do not dare to go against aipac’s wishes. not if they want to get reelected.
i would love to see impeachment, but aipac won’t allow it. aipac’s role has to be made transparent. of course, this is nearly impossible with our press.
Impeach? Good luck, Pelosi is a “mole”.
It ain’t going to happen!
“I am pretty sure that anybody that reads common dreams signed that by last Friday night.” - mcpete
That’s probable why Rebel Farmer wrote, “e-mail all your friends to do the same!!!”.
And I’ll add a forth exclamation mark!
This is a fantastic opportunity of immense historical proportions!
When Al Gore accepted his Peace prize he made the statement that the United States had defeated fascism, but of course it’s sitting in the White House and in the board rooms of Transnationals around the world. Gore also said we overcame the threat of nuclear destruction with the cold war, but of course we’re committing suicide with “depleted’ uranium disbursement. As horrid as these facts are they are precisely why we have the greatest opportunity for the transformation of humanity staring right at us at this precise moment.
Through impeachment, which now 3 members of the House Judiciary Committee are pushing, we have the opportunity to directly confront the sadistic behavior of fascism, and though the military will be behind We The People, We have a chance to do it in a non-violent, democratic republic, governmental fashion!
The main reason Wexler (on Blog Radio the other night) gave for being for impeachment now instead of 9 months age was due to the will of The People.
If you want to be of common despair or common defeatist, good for you; me I’m going for Common Dreams and going for all the glory I can get!
Right on Rebel Farmer!
Right on Wexler!
Right on We The People!
I can’t think of a greater moment to be alive!
www.wexlerwantshearings.com
Oh…Right On Ray McGovern!
Impeachment is a waste of time because it would never get past the Senate. What is essential is that Cheney, Rumsfeld and Bush be arrested to answer charges of murdering about 3000 people in the USA on September 11 2001 and causing genocide in the middle east, perjury and dozens of other charges. Blair is in a more invidious position because can, and should be transported to the Hague to answer the Murder of Dr. David Kelly and possibly genocide in the M.E. but forget impeachment the trial would be rigged and the criminals would be exonerated.
Without impeachment and the extensive investigation that will result, all the minor players in this fascist docudrama will be back in other administrations with precedent and experience to support further atrocities. There is little that can be done to change these years of pain. All that can be done is to repudiate the actions and tar the war criminals with scandal if not actual punishment. Keeping these fascist piglets out of future government is critical.
WHY IMPEACHMENT? Whether it happens or not… is this. How do you even begin to restore values to a humanity that has had their values nearly obliterated… the values that supposedly spawned the birth of this country? Impeachment is the first step. An open, clear declaration that corruption has had its day and has gone far enough!
I’m with green jello. Yes… 911. Does anyone remember that immediately before this monumental event… that Pres. B was as low as possible in “ratings” on every count of governing… with a re-election not even a remote possiblity? How easy was it to change this perception almost overnight… to give a loser an identity… the identity of a “war president”. Overnight, a metamorphosis from loser to all-powerful protector of the US… with unlimited powers, with an excuse to violate any last vestige of personal privacy and freedom in this country. All it took was to take out a couple of tall buildings in NYC and scoot the Bin Laden family out on a plane the next day. That was the only plane in the air the day following 911… even Pres. B’s Mom and Dad were stranded somewhere in a corn field awaiting the first opportunity to get back on a plane. How’s that for strategy? But at what a price to pay? The very hearts, souls and lives of this country! Didn’t mean a thing to these guys. And you ask why impeach? Are we in the dark ages, or what?
At least go an sign the petition at WexlerWantsHearings.com. He is in the right place on the Judiciary Committee and his pronouncements seem sincere and well-thought-out.
We need to give him ammunition and support. There are now at least 3 others on that committee pushing to start impeachment hearings.
That being said, of course, he is an exception. Real long-term change requires long-term VISION, values and a program.
Why not listen to the words of the FIRST congressperson to introduce an impeachment resolution: Cynthia McKinney. Go to http://RunCynthiaRun.org.
She also faced off publicly with Donald Rumsfeld over the issues mercenary slavery, of undiscussed war games being held coincidentally during 911, and over unaccountable Pentagon funds. NO ONE else in our Congress has that kind of guts. Want to see courage? This is a MUST-SEE. Watch as the “good ‘ol boys” try to cover for one another — and she persists.
Try, just try to name one other person in congress who comes close to this level of responsibility to the American people.
She has a lot to say about vision and program.
join Congressman Wexler’s call for Cheney impeachment.a few hundred thousand MORE signers should rattle some cages
http://wexlerwantshearings.com/
Love the first comment here, impeach first and then extradite to The Hague! And I hope Ray McGovern is among the first of many whistle-blowers who can really point the investigations swiftly to the exposure of what’s been happening these too-many years….
So we impeach Bush-Cheney and remove them from office as they deserve to be. Then we get Pelosi to run the show. Big deal!!!
Fuck Bush. I am tired of this game. Sometimes I feel like he is untouchable. Sort of like trying to reach into a fish tank an just grab a fish with your bare hands. He is so slimy and slippery! I hate that SOB.
Blah blah blah. Stick a fork in our @$$ and turn us over - we’re done. The only thing that’ll get us out of this mess is a major revolution, which can’t happen with a huge percentage of us glued to sitcoms or out shopping at Mal*Wart.
It was a nice country while it lasted.
Pain in the neck, nuisance it is when people post comments with links that have URLs so long that it forces horizontal scrolling in addition to the already needed vertical scrolling; a serious nuisance for reading articles.
People should realise that it’s much better to use html tags to make the links shorter, else to break the URLs up over enough lines so that the horizontal scrolling will not be automatically forced.
Good thing the article provides a link to the original.
What McGovern is telling us isn’t new. Most progressive Democrats and knowledgeble Repubs. have known for years that this administration should be impeached. Maybe a different tactic would work like offer pig man Russ a million bucks if he endorses impeachment and turns coat. He doesn’t have any principles and it’s qustionable if he has a brain. But he alone could turn the tide because he’s a hero to so many idiots.
In previous, should read, … imagine IF just one… (of the WH press corresp’s) etc. Not “of” just one.
‘Pologies.
TheNinth makes no sense at all, but that’s kiddy-land US culture for ya. If implying that what I wrote is what’s to expect from the likes of the WH press, then TheNinth is batting far low for a hitter, far behind others all ahead of him.
After all, the WH press is not going to acknowledge, as Joseph Massad, f.e., does, that the AIPAC is powerfully influential and quite criminally so [nationally], [in] the USA, while simply not representing the real controlling elites, those really controlling the US govt and who are all operating from behind closed doors. The WH press would say nothing like like that, for doing so is to indeed agree that AIPAC is criminally and powerfully influential, though only as Massad excellently explains, and that the US govt is not under control of the presidential administration, hence executive branch, and the Congress and Senate, for they’re then all controlled by AIPAC, which is totally treasonous, which in turn is totally criminal of the executive branch, Congress, and the Senate.
The WH press would never say anything of the like, but kiddies think otherwise; like The Ninth illustrates.
That, of course, is only if I understand TheNinth’s MORONICALLY stated post correctly. It’s moronically stated regardless of whether my above speculated interpretation is what TheNinth meant, or not; again, reflective of infantile kiddy-land USA.
And only kiddies can grow up enough to argue their claims, instead leaving them as pure bs. My, my, my, now doesn’t that sound like US culture.
So TheNinth leaves himself totally incredible; not even being able to state anything more intelligent than a three year old child who’s received [some] education. Alas, the US has been nothing other than extremely tragic history throughout, and the kiddies aren’t tired yet of continuing this status quo about the culture and history, of the USA.
Either way, it’s a clearly bs post, given he doesn’t provide any reference at all, not a single one, to support the analogy of my post with the shit of the WH press. Intelligent people instinctively know to disregard such jerk bs. And I didn’t present a single iota of apologetics for any one or party; only describing reality for what it [is].
Powerfully influential nationally, Massad definitely says AIPAC is, in addition to explaining why this is reality; the spinelessness of the university and college deans who allow themselves to be stupidly influenced, and much the same applying with members of the Congress and Senate.
Powerfully influential in terms of higher, broader order, internationally, and for the economic ruling elites is a whole other matter.
Cons use the “services” of other cons, and some are always more powerful than others. There’s absolutely nothing new about that.
And as powerful as the real ruling elites behind U.S. foreign affairs of war for economic and power gains are, they clearly do allow Americans to believe that they have a real democracy; and there’s a strategic reason for that. They know that they are cons and need, strategically, the support of the electorate, so they know better than to drive the masses against them. That’s something the elites want to avoid causing to happen, so they strategically employ mass media propaganda and lying politicians.
And they accept to make use of all idiots who will help to draw public attention away, and towards other and lesser criminal parties; a position AIPAC certainly fills for many of these detracting assistants of the real ruling elites. Sure, unwitting dectracting partners, but nonetheless providing the same service as witting partners would, only at no cost in this case; wages and bribes not needing to be paid to have these propaganda services that are unwittingly provided.
Cun is employed by the best, more expert of cons. They don’t try to be obvious; they instead try to not be caught in their attempts to con others. The same can’t be said of AIPAC and the Israeli govt’s leadership, for they’re strikingly obvious, and clearly don’t care about being obvious. Why not? Because they know they have developed a lot of support among the public in the US, and that they are protected by the ruling elites who want these services provided by the front stage clowns of AIPAC.
Even the whole threat of potential war on Iran may turn out to have been nothing more than a stage act, show, and one employed to distract. Like magicians performing their tricks often do; they get the audience to pay attention to one hand, while the other hand is the one really perform the apparent but not real trick. “Look at this hand folks, keep your eyes focused on it”, the magician says, while having two hands, and they’re about as far apart as physically possible, in some cases. In other cases, the hands are closer to each other, but it doesn’t matter, for what the audience sees and what the magician really does to give the appearance of performing a feat that seems really magical to the audience are very distinct aspects of the whole. They con their audiences into believing that a truly magical feat is performed, while it isn’t true.
To be a real analyst requires determination of all possibly pertinent variables and therefore parameters, but MOST people are extremely superficial when it comes to this sort of task. Similarly, the truly adept investigators are a small minority.
So I present my arguments, and whenever disagreeing with others, then I provide the reasons that I’m based upon; after which it’s up to the others to provide their explanations. When people refuse to or simply are not competent enough to do that, then their views are usually discardable, not worthy of serious consideration; definitely no more than momentary anyway.
It’s never wise to blindly accept what others say as truth; it’s essential to always retain one’s own independence and to critically evaluate what others claim.
TheNinth provides kiddy land infantility.
Correction:
“And only kiddies can grow up enough to argue their claims, instead leaving them as pure bs. My, my, my, now doesn’t that sound like US culture.”
Poorly stated was that. It should be “And only kiddies can’t grow up enough …”.
I would love to see Bush and Cheney impeached, but I would hate to see an attempted impeachment fail to get the required number of votes - that would re-embolden Bush. Waiting it out with the continues exposure of their deceit may be the best option.
The media blackout on McGovern is no worse than the one on Kucinich (and to a lesser degree, on other Dems apart from the 2 the corporate media want and the 1 they include because it looks better that way).
McGovern, at least, is regularly picked up by Consortium News and then reposted here on CommonDreams or TruthOut.
But even McGovern doesn’t emphasize the person (Kucinich) who filed the Articles on Cheney, as a first step to impeaching both. Perhaps McGovern’s speech IN New Hampshire is a subtle way of doing that. It could be hoped. Nor has Rep Wexler attributed the source (Kucinich) in his recent, much-vaunted drive to get the Articles out of committee and onto the floor of the House.
Worse yet, the blackout is to be expected from corporate media, but HOW do we explain the one on Daily Kos? On Media Matters, that regularly skins the media about their one-sided propaganda? On other Democrat and progressive sites? On the Democrats Abroad listserve, where even DK supporters have gone quieter since the Des Moines Register excluded Kucinich from the Iowa debates? And all this, despite Kucinich’s getting 75% of the Dem field in the recent Independent Primary Poll: http://independentprimary.com/
Look, I like Kucinich and his platform. But, to me, the problem goes much deeper than the blackout on this one candidate. SOMEone has decided who we’ll be voting on, and while railing about the unfairness of it all … the free speech watchdogs and self-proclaimed progressives have fallen right in step: “Choose one of the top three, preferably the top two, and we’ll be sure they stay on the top … with our excessively limited coverage.”
Time-consuming as it is, I’m signing up and commenting, like this, at as many sites as I can. I think it’s absolutely essential that we keep the field of candidates open through the Primaries up to the Convention. Attention must be shifted from wardrobe, haircut and income, to issues, programs, and the mandate Dems were handed in 2006. Without the other candidates in the discussion, there’s little hope of that. And we’ll be voting for the choices we’ve been herded to. (Or voting Green, which, tempting as it is, at the presidential level assures a GOP victory and even more of the same than Clinton would represent.)
I hope some of you will join me in one last stab at getting people to vote their hearts and conscience at this point (save electability discussions for the Convention, guys). Time is growing very short.
I think if he isn’t impeached some other President down the line is going to be far worse! In looking back now, it was a terrible mistake not to bring charges against Nixon. I didn’t think so at the time. But, since then I have saw several Presidents abuse their power to making a mockery of the office. Ronald Reagan was up there near the top when he sold arms to Iran. But, Oliver North came along and took the fall for him. But, then we scraped the bottom of the barrel with George W Bush. He has been by far the worst to date. He should have been impeached the first term in office. 9/11 happened under his watch and his Administration did literally nothing about all the warning signs that came there way. Nixon should have never been pardoned. The stain should have remained there to remind future Presidents the American people will not overlook deliberately breaking the law.
They couldnt show this on American t.v. with our so called freedom of speech. Just as they couldnt show “saving private ryan”, however, if you live close to the border, you can get real news from our northern neighbor. Go to the cbc link and
READ this investigation. chimpy is in real deep.
TAOS BLUE: I’m with you!
History is fortunate to have McGovern to provide facts that fill out the form of what most of us know to be real and true. The facts are unimpeachable even if expensive PR and strong-arming key individuals has led to a blurring of the lines of published data to keep the masses in a fog.
By the way, how about these lines: “their were people still working at the top with a conscious,” Where’s the editor?
Should read “There were people still working at the top with a conscience.” Que pasa?
to impeach,first you must go thru all the ‘freemasons’(isnt that right,nancy pelosi ?) bushmasters=pure evil……,but totally protected by the oldest secret society in the world…and they are all over this globe….if we cannot force them to resign….then there is nothing left to do…we must quit them and our beloved america,our country,that they have stolen,lock,stock and every barrel.
TAOS BLUE — Great Questions: “How do you even begin to restore values to a humanity that has had their values nearly obliterated… the values that supposedly spawned the birth of this country”
SIOUXROSE — You ask “There were people still working at the top with a conscience.” Que pasa?
Our conscience, values, principles, and morality has been gamed by PSYOPS, which manipulate our self-identities (image). For example, consider how ‘torture is (now) OK’ for most Americans, while many wonder why so much information shows that it is happening.
Many question why torture is not still hidden (better), but I suspect that this is done on purpose:
_ T O R T U R E _ M U S T _ B E _ K N O W N _ O F _
TORTURE isn’t (wasn’t) a secret because that knowledge of torture is part of the gov’t PSYOPS plan to manipulate us, because we continue to think of ourselves as “good” people (which is continually reinforced through propaganda).
Cognitive dissonance is a familiar PSYOPS technique, produced by putting a person in a position of doing (or allowing to happen) something that is clearly opposed to his self image. The contradictory pressure builds up and must be resolved, which is done individually through various explanations (rationalizations). The explanation will seem absurd to anyone who doesn’t share the dissonance. In this case the model that produced it was …
1. Good American people are not terrorists.
2. Terrorists break laws that will kill more Americans because they ‘hate our freedoms’.
3. The USA must break with the Geneva Convention and laws that prevent torture to save lives.
4. But since I know I am a good person, my reason why it’s okay to violate anti-torture laws is (insert something absurd).
The fascinating thing about cognitive dissonance is that it’s immune to intelligence. No matter how smart you are, you can’t think your way out of it. Once your actions and your self image get out of sync, the result is an absurd rationalization.
Namaste … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … Mahatma Gandhi … … … … … … … … … …
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If Senators and Congressmen could find the time and climb out of corporations’ back pockets and then show that they have the balls…impeachment might happen. Not before.
For those serious about taking their country back, I hope you are doing more than just preaching to the choir here.
For those that don’t know, Congressman Robert Wexler is calling for Cheney Impeachment hearings.
Go to wexlerwantshearings.com. There are over 120,000 signatures at this time in less than a week.
Step up to the plate.
Also, please get on the phone and call your state representatives.
Here’s Nancy Pelosi’s number: 202-225-0100
Urge Ms. Pelosi to put Impeachment back on the table.
If you get the answering machine like I just did (Saturday), leave a message. Fill that damn thing up.
DO NOT rely on others to do your talking for you. YOU MUST take control of your country’s destiny.
This is NOT a partisan issue folks, this is an American issue.
Talk is cheap and easy. Being a free American takes some work. Don’t take the easy way out.
The Democrats have betrayed us by their complicity, and the republicans are just out right lying scum. So where does that leave us as a country?
“Democrats are shying away because of the influence of lobbies and political analysts telling them to “wait it out” until the election.”
Another example of corporations manipulating the democratic process. The people want to see these criminals impeached, yet out voices go unheeded by our representatives because of $$ (or lack of.) The only threat we present is grass roots communication about pols who refuse to cooperate with their constituents, instead of corporations and lobbyists.
How does one find out which lobbies and political analysts have the dems by their jeuvos? I’ve used http://opensecrets.org in the past. This section deals specifically with lobbyists: http://opensecrets.org/lobbyists/index.asp?showyear=2006&txtindextype=l
Trying to sift through that site, one needs to have some idea about who would not benefit from impeachment: telecoms? defense contractors? Diebold?
Anyone? Buehler?
Where my two Senators, Kohl and Feingold, on this issue.
My Rep. (Tammy Baldwin) has called for hearing in the House (with her op-ed calling for this censoring right out of the mainstream media).
Nothing new in this article that posters on CD didn’t already know. If he knew all this at the time, how come he didn’t have the guts to spell it out like Joe Wilson did?
Hi all,
Great posts, (mostly),…sent the Wexler petition signing request to people on my address list. I’ve also sent two emails to Conyers to get the Cheney impeachment going and not stall it on their table. No replies yet….
And we also agree that Cheney/Bush should be extradited to The Hague for war crimes trials. And include interrogations of Pelosi and Reid for obstruction of Justice to the crimes…OK, so lets send a petition to the court in The Hague. How does one do that? And, specifically to whom in what department? Anyone know?
Certainly there are plenty of us to make a similar impact as the Wexler petition. And further, lets get this going in Europe too. The power of the internet: the tool and maybe the saving grace of the People of the Earth.
It seems to me there is only one reason the congress does not want to impeach is that they are afraid of Bush and what he will do if they push him. He can create another 911 and declare martial law. They are hoping just waiting him out will get rid of him but he cannot afford to give control over to democrats with what all he has on his conscience. It will be interesting to see how it all turns out.
If we don’t impeach both Bush and Cheney before they leave office, we don’t deserve to live in a Democracy. I invite all loyal Americans to get impeachment rallies going in the new year, and letter writing parties to the Justice Department, Congress and the Senate. Our local city or town councils should be lobbied to pass resolutions for impeachment. . . . Certainly, if we can be creative in publicizing lost dogs, garage sales, and such, we can educate our neighbors with flyers and signs. It is certainly the least we can do in light of what our young men and women and not so young men in uniform have had to endure (for those surviving) and what the children of those fallen soldiers will have to live with(out). All Americans are being called on now to serve their country by serving George W. Bush and Cheney Impeachment Papers.
Vote green, a solution, ha!
Nader? How many times is that chump going to run for president without saying how vastly mass murderous the US federal government is?
It might seem like there’s a voter choice, Nader Green or mass murderous Financial Dominants Yes man, right?
Think again, Nader is just another mass murderous financial dominants yes man. He’s the side of their scheme that is supposed to seem a waste of a vote. How are you going to be the least bit historically knowledgable and not say one damn thing about how murderous this government is by tobacco policy (subsidizing lung bound crops grown in radioactive fertilizer), biofuel subsidy (starvation), coal fired power plant mercury contamination short political question (autism), death weapons industry (mass human splattering), nuclear blackmail… Just to name a few of the murderous policies, how bout though the FCC EPA CIA NSA murder murder murder… Then run against murderers with this platform, “they’re not efficient enough…” Supposedly regarding the environment right? How strong is an argument against efficiency when who you’re running against is mass murderous? Would Nader’s campain not be MUCH stronger for grass roots support by telling truth about the vast mass murder bureaucracy? Timid language, no results, just take up the green candidate space again and again and again… Then have the facial characteristics of Stalin, Hitler, Disney to boot…
What a lame game…
Kem Patrick…
You must be a plant and not really so stupid as to believe the propaganda channels are real news.
…me again…
Aw, dang it! I just went to Wikipedia to read about the court in The Hague…It seems that the USA (as well as some others) have not ratified an important piece of the conditions. Look here and read the position of the US. The policy of our country on this is its typical bullying….I should have known.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome_Statute_of_the_International_Criminal_Court
United States of America
Main article: United States and the International Criminal Court
Although the US originally voted against the adoption of the Rome Statute, President Bill Clinton unexpectedly reversed his position on 31 December 2000 and signed the treaty,[26][27] but indicated that he would not recommend that his successor, George W. Bush, submit it to the Senate for ratification.[28] On 6 May 2002, the Bush administration announced it was nullifying the United States’ signature of the treaty.[29] However, public opinion polls routinely show strong popular support for the Court: the most recent poll, conducted in February 2005, found that 69% of Americans supported U.S. participation in the ICC.[30]
The country’s main objections are interference with their national sovereignty and a fear of politically motivated prosecutions.
In 2002, the U.S. Congress passed the American Servicemembers’ Protection Act (ASPA), which contained a number of provisions, including prohibitions on the U.S. providing military aid to countries which had ratified the treaty establishing the court (exceptions granted), and permitting the President to authorize military force to free any U.S. military personnel held by the court, leading opponents to dub it the “Hague Invasion Act.” The act was later modified to permit U.S. cooperation with the ICC when dealing with U.S. enemies.
The U.S. has also made a number of Bilateral Immunity Agreements (BIAs, also known as “Article 98 Agreements”) with a number of countries, prohibiting the surrender to the ICC of a broad scope of persons including current or former government officials, military personnel, and U.S. employees (including non-national contractors) and nationals. As of 2 August 2006, the US Department of State reported that it had signed 101 of these agreements.[31] The United States has cut aid to many countries which have refused to sign BIAs.[31]
In 2002, the United States threatened to veto the renewal of all United Nations peacekeeping missions unless its troops were granted immunity from prosecution by the Court.[32] In a compromise move, the Security Council passed Resolution 1422 on 12 July 2002, granting immunity to personnel from ICC non-States Parties involved in United Nations established or authorized missions for a renewable twelve-month period.[32] This was renewed for twelve months in 2003 but the Security Council refused to renew the exemption again in 2004, after pictures emerged of US troops abusing Iraqi prisoners in Abu Ghraib, and the US withdrew its demand.[33]
Still, a petition from the People of the USA and other countries might have an impact….or am I just dreaming?
hang the sob upside down by his you know whats then cement shoe rice,cheney,powell,rumsf,& ashcroft and drop them all on the bottom of the deepest part of the pacific ocean.
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/unsanam2
We are out of time. Talk and procrastination will NOT help. We are Nero to the world, fiddling away any hope for humanity. Snap out of it! Are you too busy shopping? Are you afraid DHS will come and take you away? Shake of the consumer delirium and put aside your fear. At this point you really have nothing left to lose. Whether you admit it or not, your “freedom” is an illusion. If you don’t act soon, even the illusion will be gone.
It will take the concerted effort of all the sovereign nations of the world to stop the monster we have become. The U.N. Security Council is our only interface with them.
SIGN THE DAMN PETITION!!!
I will hand deliver it to the UN!
“ROCYAHOLE”, You write that I must be a plant? You must be a dead head if you cannot detect satire. I was writing that our media and press ‘did not and will not’ cover such an importnat story as this. Go soak your head and attempt to wake your brain up. And don’t insult and you won’t be insulted.
WE love you Kem. Happy holidays!
The MOST serious problem with our government and for the citizens of the United States, is our ‘press and media’ are controlled by a handul of those who also control the gold and control who are elected to higher office. By doing so, they insure that we don’t have decent representation on such issues as global warming and ocean acidity, use of DU in weapons, delaying clean energy, those three issues which should be the most important to everyone. The general public by far and large are not aware of the truth, because our press does not print the truth about such anymore.
Hi Sue, __ how the heck are you? I love you too.
I love almost everyone here. I do have a short list of some that I don’t like very much. I sincerely do hope everyone has a nice and fun Christmas and a great new year. I’m gonna try, but the coming year don’t look so hot.
ersie37 December 21st, 2007 4:40 pm
“I may have said this before, but impeaching Bush/Cheney is not about Bush/Cheney. It’s about the inhabitant of the White House on 1/20/09. If what W and VP did are deemed acceptable - and anything short of at least a censure assures that - then President #44 will feel as though she or he can likewise abuse the office.”
Precisely!
Anyone who believes that the majority of Democrats in both the House and Senate don’t share the same “elitist” political global objectives as the Republicans, haven’t been paying attention. That’s why impeachment is “off the table”. Republicans and Democrats eat from the same plate at the same table.
The majority are nothing more than a bunch of power-hungry global elitists with no respect for U.S. Constitutional Law.
Hi KEM and SIOUX ROSE — All of my love to you and yours too.
Perhaps your latest challenger may literally be a flaming homophobic. Consider his screen name rocky-a-hole (not very inviting, do you think?)? May he heal in peace and grow more tolerant and compassionate.
May a deranged Dzo, sit on his face.
Hey NSPIRE, __DZO is a great Scrabble word. You likely won’t find it in Websters, but it’s on the net under domesticated yak or heterosis.
EVIDENCE ABOUNDS FOR IMPEACHMENT….DUH……..see youtubes’how to create an angry american’or watch geo.bush sr.’s speech on the ‘new world order’(i wish i knew how to post the links here,maybe someone would do it for me ?)since nancy pelosi ‘ascended’..THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE HAS BEEN DENIED !!!!!!!! WHAT ARE THEY WAITING FOR !!!OUR TOTAL OBLITERATION ??!!BECAUSE OF THE HATRED BUSH(and his father before him) HAS RIGHTFULLY EARNED !!…i feel sorry for me and other like-minded,we did everything within our limited powers to try to enlighten and educate our fellow americans,to our own(short)history and worked to try to ‘out’the evil-doers that(over the last 50 years) have hi-jacked our country !!
Impeach dumb-dumb and his clique and please entertain no plea of diminished capacity from him.
They (the Supreme Court, Catherine Harris and the Republican electorate) and Bush should have acted more responsibly as they all knew Bush would not have been mentally disposed to do any justice to such an important and responsible position when they boxed the presidency, which Gore had rightfully won, out of his(mouth) grasp.
Now - see the worldwide mayhem Bush has caused!
Denny, they’re all closer to the Atlantic…dump ‘em there! We don’t need the pollution on the Left Coast! ;-P)
Happy Holidays!
Here you go seraphicmom, Bush Sr. on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g
Man, it looks and sounds like “1984.” “Live in a world with rule of law, the law of the jungle” WTF? Isn’t that like two separate worlds?
These people are messed up.
Randy Kezar: “Impeachment is constitutionally required”.
So why do we, the owners of this Corporation, pay all these hundreds of board members (Congressmen/women) large sums of money to act in our behalf when they are deaf, dumb, and mute, ignore the Constitution, and allow 1 member, PELOSI to dictate against the wishes of the stockholders,(the American People) the true owners of the Corporation. We need a new C.E.O and almost a complete new Board of Directors. The stock of this Corporation is in freefall.
Now you tell us! Pelosi, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice et al. thought their oath said “subvert and offend” the Constitution.
Big deal. The Democrats (you know, the other wing of the Republican party) isn’t about to do anything. *shrug* The party/country is over folks. America is done . . . stick a fork in it. Time to leave this circle of Hell.
I’ve seen Ray speak in public a couple of times, and he makes a darn good case. He does not mince words in describing the current criminal cabal posing as an administration. And I’m glad to say that my representative Jim Moran is willing to appear with Mr. McGovern.
thanks irishgawdess!! did you happen to pullup”how to create an angry american” ?that is the clincher ..it is bush jr.,rumsfeld,powell,all there lies strung together in sequences..and would be damn good HARD EVIDENCE for impeachment !!
Good observation, Kernel, about Pelosi running the show after Bush and Cheney get impeached. And that’s exactly why she doesn’t want them impeached. If they were she’d be running the show and she’d have to make good on her party’s promises to end the war. Couldn’t hide, then.
Don’t panic, people. And don’t just try to “wait it out”. The current situation is exactly why we have impeachment. Don’t lose focus. Impeachment begins in the House. During the holiday break, most of your Representatives are in their home districts. Contact them. Tell them impeachment is called for. It is possible.
I would contact mine, but he won’t take my calls since I outed him on the “bridge to nowhere” in Alaska. Now he’s spending his campaign war chest on attorneys trying to keep the FBI off his back. It is possible to bring down the “big guys”. Don’t be afraid of them.
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, everything can change.
This is a late comment to be added, but here it is anyway!
I find paragraph 4 to be especially interesting (or revealing, perhaps), specifically where it relates how McGovern “relayed a series of events leading up to 9/11 which illustrate the President’s desire to go to0 war with Iraq well before 9/11, that reliable CIA ecidence showed that Iraq didn’t have Weapons of Mass Destruction . . .”
How many more comments like this from “insiders” do we, or does Congress, need before a real and thorough investigation with teeth and subpoena power takes place that is conducted by an OFFICIAL Commission headed by a special investigator/prosecutor? There are enough holes (”Omissions And Distortions”) in the so-called “Official 9/11 Commission Report” through which to drive a whole battalion of tanks that need to be resolved. A real and thorough attempt to resolve these lingering questions need to be resolved before the general public will ever be able to trust the political leadership of this country, be it Democratic or Republican. The more you study these unanswered questions, the more it appears that the Bush Administration and the whole neo-con consortium were complicit in those attacks to a greater or lesser degree. Is that what McGovern may have had in mind with his quoted comments in paragraph 4 of your report?
ccairnes,ah…that is the 250 billion dollar question;IS THE BRIDGE ‘REALLY’ TO NOWHERE ?….I DOUBT IT……it must be the bridge to h.a.a.r.p. or the bridge to some subterrainium laboratory or the bridge to OIL.. maybe it is the bridge that leads to weaponry ?.or is it just a bridge to fresh,pure water ? i don’t buy the bridge to ‘nowhere.’i think that may be what they WANT you to believe.
Pelosi can’t become president through impeachment of Bush and Cheney unless, you impeach both of them at the same time, convict them both and throw both of them out of office simultaneously. If you throw out Bush, Cheney becomes president. If you throw out Cheney, Bush can appoint his successor. Granted that person would have to be confirmed by the senate, but we don’t have a very good track record of blocking any Bush appointees. The whole idea of impeachment should be to lay the case out before the American sheeple in “Prime Time”. Now that could open some eyes in time for the next election!
IMPEACHMENT!!!
when do we want it?
NOW!!!
IMPEACHMENT!!!
when do we want it?
NOW!!!
IMPEACHMENT!!!
when do we want it?
NOW!!!
IMPEACHMENT!!!
when do we want it?
NOW!!!
mikebinsc….yes,and we ARE the majority and yes,it IS the will of the people…….and yes,they do not represent the people who ’supposedly “elected”them…..they dont care,….they dont listen….they dont do the will of the people…what will get their attention ?
The american people say and think one way. Our leaders then do whatever they want. That is a democracy?
seraphicmom: It was actually 250 million, not billion. Small potatoes. It’s timber they want, dear, timber from the Tongass National Forest. However, the point is, a grassroots effort on a tiny island in the Alexander Archipelago was able to bring the heat down and make a major change in the Congress. If we can do that from here, the nation can bring impeachment hearings to the floor of the House. The lesson is, don’t back down!
As the Bush Crime Pig International Family continues worldwide genocide with it’s terrorist hit sqaud the Republican Party, Pelosi & Reid are nothing but willing enablers of the butchery in Iraq!
Impeach Cheney now. Call John Conyers. Ask him to move on it no tell him to move on it!
I recall that Cindy Sheehan and a large group of her’s and our supporters already has done that. If I remember correctly, Conyers refused and Cindy and some of the supporters ended up being arrested and tied up.
We need more :
American Idiocracy. I finally caught this flick not long ago and aside from the gratuitous crotch kicking jokes, it looks like a reasonable facsimile of the near future in the US. The US will probably not exist 500 years from now however. I found myself thinking…. These people are Bush’s BASE!
I signed the petition at about 130,500 this morning. That is a pretty healthy showing considering the total blackout on impeachment talk in MSM Amerika.
Five hundred years! __ How about ONE. When our depression hits, and it will, ___ we are history.
Thanks for the link to the youtube video “How to create an angry american” seraphicmom. Good times, good times.
Happy Holidays to all, and fuck “Bill Orally”!!
I’ve been screaming for impeachment for almost 7 years now. Ray McGovern is right and right-on. Trouble is: 95% of our senators and congressmen have been complicit in the Bush/Cheney war crimes by authorizing and funding the ongoing unilateral, illegal, immoral wars in Iraq & Afghanistan. COMPLICIT!!! We’re asking the garbage to take out the garbage. The best we can hope for is a giant meteor turning DC into dust…while Kucinich is out of town.
What poop does BushCo. have on the Dems to make them so afraid to impeach?
Impeachment isn’t enough. It’s akin to merely being fired for not doing a good job.
Bush has done a good job. Just not for the American people or the people of Afghanistan and Iraq.
He has served his masters well.
That’s why they should all be in front of a firing squad.
What? This hasn’t been an 8 year spree of treason?
You can bet your knickers that Rove and Cheney have a ton of black-mail dirt stashed in their books on most of our Congress.
I will sign the petition and I will vote for Kucinich and I will try to remain optimistic. I will do what I can.
ezeflyer, the only thing I can figure is that he caught
them in chambers with a Goat! It couldn’t have been an
underage boy or a homosexual in the bathroom, that’s the
Republicans field of operations.
Al Jourgensen of the band Ministry penned this poem entitled “T’was The Night Before Impeachment.” Enjoy…
http://www.bravewords.com/news/80196
The things your Nation needs to do is to be able to dissolve Political Parties as well as remove any Politician who holds office, or suspend any politician who holds office from their duties so they can be investigated.
The Republicans & Democrats have written your Nation’s election laws in such a manner it is difficult for anyone to seriously challenge them.
Neither Political Party is your Government. They merely hold the Seats or Positions of your Government. They are your Elected Representatives, but of course are in the pockets of the Banks & Corporations. Most of both Parties are commited to the NWO, or those who are commited to the NWO control both Parties.
It is a rather strange world. They lie to the people of your Nation, and lots of the people of your Nation know they are lying, and yet your only offered mostly all Candidates from both Parties to vote for even though you know they are lying to you.
Impeachment may be “off the table” but what about rendition to Guantanamo Bay? Is that off the table?
The time has come to act now!
VOTE RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT 2008
I think he is the one that will protect and defend our Constitution.
ronpaul2008.com
AMAZING, only one person on this Demopublican site has heard the name Ron Paul!!! Where`ve you been? Never mind, I`m turning the T.V. on to see if O.J. is secretly shacked up with Stacey Peterson.